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Ep. 776: Sea Otters, Skunks, and Brain Matter | MeatEater Radio Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia.
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  Speaker 2: Podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, welcome to Media to Radio Live. It's eleven
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  Speaker 3: am here at Meat Eater HQ and Bozeman, Montana. That's
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  Speaker 3: nine a m. On the sea, otter infested waters surrounding
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  Speaker 3: Prince of Wales Island. I'm your host, Brody Henderson. I'm
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  Speaker 3: joined today by the man every elk in Montana fears
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  Speaker 3: the most, Corey Caulkins. That's not you. We also have
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  Speaker 3: a very special co host today that some of you
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  Speaker 3: might even recognize. That's right, Steve Renela is back in
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  Speaker 3: the house. Welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you man. It's always fun to be here.
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  Speaker 3: Ben in a while. Yeah, we got a big show
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  Speaker 3: to we have Heather Deville. She's gonna talk to us
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  Speaker 3: about her life up in southeast Alaska and a couple
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  Speaker 3: of her new mediater shows. Me Stephen Corey are gonna
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  Speaker 3: gonna lay out some indefensible laws that we're going to defend. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: We've got some primo hot tip offs out of Wisconsin
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  Speaker 3: and some advice for husbands and fathers during hunting season.
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  Speaker 3: And in the spirit of full disclosure, this is not
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  Speaker 3: actually live. We won't have any live chat feedback. And
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  Speaker 3: the reason for that is because the day we're supposed
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  Speaker 3: to record live, Phil's gonna be out of town nerding
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  Speaker 3: out on video games. Phil, you want to tell everyone
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  Speaker 3: what's so important that you've got to miss a live recording.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds like you're making that up, but you're
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  Speaker 4: you're not when you're watching us. Randall and I will
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  Speaker 4: be on a plane on our way to Nashville, Tennessee,
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  Speaker 4: going to Buckfest twenty twenty five. And Buckfest is also
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  Speaker 4: the grounds for the World Championships of Big Buck Hunter,
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  Speaker 4: So Randall and I will be there documenting it, making
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  Speaker 4: some some video content that you guys can look forward
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  Speaker 4: to soon.
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  Speaker 5: But a bunch of no, it's good with that black backdrop,
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  Speaker 5: I know, and go back to that for a minute.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good job, overemphasizing that he was married, he'd
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  Speaker 1: be he'd be cleaning up right now, Steve, don't are
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  Speaker 1: you have you played Big Buck Hunter?
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  Speaker 2: Philm I was never a big like light gun like.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't play I didn't have a Nintendo's I never
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  Speaker 4: played duck Hunt, and I didn't spend enough time in
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  Speaker 4: bars before I had a kid to be to get
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  Speaker 4: really good at big buck hunters, so it was never
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  Speaker 4: a So this is a whole learning experience for me.
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited to check it out.
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  Speaker 2: Is Randall good at big buck hunter? I don't believe.
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  Speaker 4: So I know cal col holds some pride for his
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  Speaker 4: his buck hunter.
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  Speaker 2: Skit forbid that playing in it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And my buddy Jimmy Dorn had a pizza shop
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  Speaker 5: and he had that in there, and he knew I
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  Speaker 5: hated a big buck hunter because I thought it taught
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  Speaker 5: bad ethics and I'd come in there.
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  Speaker 2: At first he'd do his hand my kids.
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  Speaker 5: Rolls quarters just to antagonize me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm ambivalent towards it. I imagine you're going to
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  Speaker 3: see a bunch of nons pretending they're hunters there film.
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  Speaker 4: Oh fir, I mean yeah, most likely Randall kind of
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  Speaker 4: I think is planning on dressing the part. I think
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  Speaker 4: he wants to go in full first light camo and
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  Speaker 4: just hang out. So we'll see how that goes. But
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  Speaker 4: we've talked to the guys putting it on and they
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  Speaker 4: say it's a mix of hardcore real hunters and people
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  Speaker 4: who have never touched a gun in their life. So
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  Speaker 4: we're excited to meet all the people that are going
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  Speaker 4: to be there.
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  Speaker 3: We'll have fun. Thanks, all right, before we get into
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  Speaker 3: the meat and potatoes today's show, And need to let
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  Speaker 3: everyone know that the newest edition of our audio original
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  Speaker 3: book series Meat Eaters American History, The Hide Hunters eighteen
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  Speaker 3: sixty five eighteen eighty three, releases next Tuesday on October fourteenth.
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  Speaker 3: You can pre order it now wherever you get audio books,
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  Speaker 3: audible Apple books, wherever you can get them. Ste you
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  Speaker 3: want to give folks ideas, an idea of what to
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  Speaker 3: expect from hide hunters, like some some titillating tidbits about
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  Speaker 3: the like of a hide hunter.
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  Speaker 6: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: For those of you that have listened to or follow
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  Speaker 5: our Meet Eaters American History series, we've been focusing on
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  Speaker 5: different eras of commercial market hunters. So we did the
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  Speaker 5: long hunters, which were the professional deer skin hunters, most
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  Speaker 5: notably Daniel Boone and his colleagues. Then from there we
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  Speaker 5: jumped up to the Mountain man eraw which was the
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  Speaker 5: Rocky Mountain beaver trappers. Big names from that era would
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  Speaker 5: be Jim Bridger, John Colter, Jed Smith and that volume
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  Speaker 5: tracked up to eighteen forty. So for the hide hunters.
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  Speaker 5: We're jumping ahead to eighteen sixty five. Eighteen sixty five
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  Speaker 5: is the year that the Civil War ended, and we're
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  Speaker 5: covering the years eighteen sixty five to eighteen eighty three
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  Speaker 5: when the last fifteen million.
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  Speaker 2: Buffalo on the American Great planes.
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  Speaker 5: Were shot out by professional buffalo hunters, which we call
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  Speaker 5: the hide hunters. Very bloody time, very dangerous occupation. Even
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  Speaker 5: though those people are much maligned now and they're regarded
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  Speaker 5: as these great enemies of American wildlife, you have to
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  Speaker 5: begrudgingly if even if doing so begrudgingly, you have to
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  Speaker 5: acknowledge just an incredible skill set.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds funny to say it, but an.
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  Speaker 5: Incredible skill set, and I had stated to say it too,
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  Speaker 5: an unbelievable work ethic that propelled these guys out on
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  Speaker 5: the Great planes to do the great buffalo slaughter. So
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  Speaker 5: we cast some shade on them. We talked about their motivations.
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  Speaker 5: They were products of the Civil War. These are generally
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  Speaker 5: people that had no prospects in life. Poverty was rampant,
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  Speaker 5: and the American history pushed them onto the planes where
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  Speaker 5: they where they killed fifteen million buffalo and in a
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  Speaker 5: decade Yep, it's an incredible story. And in from now
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  Speaker 5: we'll jump into whatever we're debate and what we're going.
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  Speaker 2: To jump into next you haven't decided yet. No, we
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  Speaker 2: might do something about the birds, the bird hunters.
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  Speaker 3: I know for a time you're thinking about whales, but
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  Speaker 3: you knew, no.
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  Speaker 2: Not doing the whalers.
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  Speaker 5: I think that we might jump to we might jump
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  Speaker 5: to Alaska during the Great Depression or sorry a Latin, No,
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  Speaker 5: it would be Alaska and we would cover possibly Klondike
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  Speaker 5: to statehood.
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  Speaker 2: Or we would cover the Roaring.
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  Speaker 5: Twenties and end it at the stock market crash, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and surrounding for the Alaskan fur trade during the during
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  Speaker 5: the real glory days when when huge amounts of cash
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  Speaker 5: we're entering that state and coming into the hands of
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  Speaker 5: people who had never had a cash economy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. All right, So you've done three of these Steve
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  Speaker 3: the long Hunters, mountain men, and hide hunters, and you
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  Speaker 3: can include the next one too if you want. In
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  Speaker 3: this in this question, I'm going to ask you if
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  Speaker 3: you could go back in time and pick one of
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  Speaker 3: these eras and professions to like go do, which would
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  Speaker 3: it be?
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  Speaker 2: And one the hide hunters?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, like, yeah, if I could do the the
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  Speaker 5: you know, if I could do the time machine thing.
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  Speaker 5: I've always said that I would like to go back
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  Speaker 5: to the first Americans to hit the great planes twenty
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  Speaker 5: thousand years ago, seventeen thousand years ago, whatever, man. But
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  Speaker 5: if I was really sitting there and I had to
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  Speaker 5: hit the button, the go button, I might go back and.
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  Speaker 2: Go with Boone.
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  Speaker 5: Daniel Boone the first time he went to the Cumberland
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  Speaker 5: Gut and spent two years in Kentucky.
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  Speaker 3: Because that was still new territory. Like the hide hunters
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  Speaker 3: weren't in like new territory necessarily right.
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  Speaker 5: Like no, no, when you get into the hide We'll
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  Speaker 5: put it this way. This is something we point out
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  Speaker 5: a bunch in our Hide Hunter piece. There were hide
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  Speaker 5: hunters that killed ten thousand buffalo. There was an individual
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  Speaker 5: who killed ten thousand who lived to see Playboy magazine published.
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  Speaker 5: He lived to see the end of the Korean War.
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  Speaker 5: You lived to see the introduction of the corvette nuclear subs,
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  Speaker 5: and he was fighting comanches while killing ten thousand buffalo
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  Speaker 5: on the tests wold you it is this market hunting
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  Speaker 5: period that straddles it perfectly straddles what we think of
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  Speaker 5: as yesterday what we think of as today.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's a crazy era.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of makes uh living through the creation of the
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  Speaker 3: internet not seemed like such a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: There were hide hunters who would who lived to see
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  Speaker 2: the publication of a Sand County Almanac, and who lived
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  Speaker 2: and who experienced a person Theodore Roosevelt campaigning against market
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  Speaker 2: hunters become president.
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  Speaker 3: And they started to think about that.
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  Speaker 5: No, they like they sat on the They sat on
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  Speaker 5: the edge of something.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So order that book up and listen to it,
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  Speaker 3: and uh, Steve will figure out what the next one
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  Speaker 3: is going to be before we get into Heather's interview.
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  Speaker 3: You guys, uh playing in any big hunts that are
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  Speaker 3: coming up.
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  Speaker 2: I'm solid kid from here on out for a while.
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  Speaker 3: Me too.
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  Speaker 2: I got I got a month of hot kid action.
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  Speaker 3: Kid Antelope, kid deer. Yeah, that's that's fun.
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  Speaker 2: Though this No, No, I wouldn't have I wouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: it any away.
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  Speaker 6: Man.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, all kids all the time, speaking to kids. I
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  Speaker 5: put some little kiddie waiters on your desk.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I saw that, Thank you. Yeah, we'll use those.
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  Speaker 1: Go looking for crowdedy.
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  Speaker 3: Orry, Are you done archery hunting or you know. No,
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  Speaker 3: we'll keep at it till the bitter end.
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  Speaker 1: Man, it's only been a couple of weeks. We've still
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  Speaker 1: got a few more here in Montana.
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  Speaker 2: Kids.
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  Speaker 1: What kids, Well, my kids just on the cusp of
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  Speaker 1: being able to come with me. Yeah, you'll go out
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  Speaker 1: and toot on the bugle a little bit, but it's
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  Speaker 1: more of a nuisance than anything. Uh So, no, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to get back out for it. But you got
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  Speaker 1: to bring them, man, bring Oh he loves it. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: any close calls with bulls yet?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I tried to get a couple buddies into the milk
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  Speaker 1: that second week of the season. I guess it would
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  Speaker 1: have been the third week of September, and we almost
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  Speaker 1: killed elk every single day. But they weren't like fired
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  Speaker 1: up like they typically yet.
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  Speaker 2: Nope, I have drawn no drawbacks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, knocked a few.
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  Speaker 3: Let's uh, let's get to the interview. I I think
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  Speaker 3: Phil has a special drop here for Heather Duville. Bill,
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  Speaker 3: you don't lay that down.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I put it in the script and then I
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  Speaker 4: took it out because I didn't know if you guys
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  Speaker 4: wanted to listen to it.
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  Speaker 2: But here, man, me we'll rate it.
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  Speaker 3: We'll rate it well.
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  Speaker 4: I think this is one that I haven't played since
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  Speaker 4: you were last here.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so you already we've already, we've already heard it.
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  Speaker 4: It's the Fleetwood mac One.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I'm not familiar.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I'll listen to at bait. There we got Okay, there,
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  Speaker 3: it is nice. All right. For those of you who
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  Speaker 3: aren't familiar, we're gonna be talking to Heather Deville. Her
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  Speaker 3: traditional name Heather. I apologize if I butcher this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Her traditional name is Ku Tink, and she belongs to
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  Speaker 3: the Shank what Eye clan, which is Egle Wolf. Did
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  Speaker 3: I get it right? Okay, don't worry about that.
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  Speaker 7: Pronunciation. But I appreciate you trying. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: You can tell us.
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  Speaker 3: Let me get through this. I'm trying to get through this, Heather,
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  Speaker 3: let me get through it. You live on the ancestral
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  Speaker 3: lands of the Tlingott people in southeast Alaska, and the
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  Speaker 3: Heather actively practices and shares the heritage and cultural traditions
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  Speaker 3: that have been passed down for ten thousand years. All right,
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  Speaker 3: so tell us how you pronounce that stuff.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, my traditional name is Ku Tink, and I belong
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  Speaker 7: to the shuan Kwaiti clan. I didn't do that bad, Okay,
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  Speaker 7: you're on.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like if I called him Brady, If I
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  Speaker 5: call him Brady and he's like, well, it's actually brody,
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  Speaker 5: and then I go like, well I wasn't that bad.
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  Speaker 3: Right exactly?
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  Speaker 7: Ann cling it with a k, but it's like a
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  Speaker 7: th h l fling it and yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well how they do it?
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  Speaker 7: Like do it?
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  Speaker 2: Do it where you? Because I know you. Yeah, there's
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  Speaker 2: a way you say it.
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  Speaker 5: Then there's a way you let people that wouldn't are
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  Speaker 5: familiar with the language say it, like but but do
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  Speaker 5: it like how you do it you were talking to
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  Speaker 5: if you were talking to an elder, you know, from
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  Speaker 5: your from your.
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  Speaker 7: People, Yeah, I would say fling it okay.
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  Speaker 2: But but then people people that are just kind of
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  Speaker 2: hacking their way through. It's like uh clink clink.
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  Speaker 3: It got it. I'll try to get it right next time.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Yuh.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 7: Pretty funny is well we're going to talk about the show.
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  Speaker 7: But the team was up here. You know, our dogs
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  Speaker 7: only know flinget commands, so they don't know English.
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  Speaker 2: That's great, so no one else can tell your dog
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  Speaker 2: what's up.
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  Speaker 3: So if your dog's attacking someone and and that person
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  Speaker 3: tries to say.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you gotta yell at them and cling it. So
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  Speaker 7: the meat eater crew that was up here, we're learning
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  Speaker 7: all kinds of words.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, clingett dog commands.
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  Speaker 7: They had heard the dogs out of the scenes and
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  Speaker 7: in the house.
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  Speaker 3: Heather, I know you've been busy like all summer putting
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  Speaker 3: up fish and sea otter for and I think you've
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  Speaker 3: been out deer hunting already. Like, what what else do
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  Speaker 3: you you got going on through the fall? What's the
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  Speaker 3: rest of the year look like for you?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, this is really a I think I was last
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  Speaker 7: joined in the spring, which is like the emergence of
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  Speaker 7: new life, and now we're entering fall, which is a
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  Speaker 7: quieter time and a more RESTful time. So I'm kind
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  Speaker 7: of grounding myself into a more balanced schedule. The salmon return,
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  Speaker 7: the leaves are turning, you know, it's getting colder. I
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  Speaker 7: did get a deer last month, and I'm one of
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  Speaker 7: my goals this fall and winter season is to practice
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  Speaker 7: my bark tanning skills. So I actually got the deer
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  Speaker 7: and I tanned. I successfully tanned the hide. But already, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I have often it a little, but you know, it's
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  Speaker 7: got a really side. This is done with tanning, so
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  Speaker 7: like a tree skin and a deer skin will make
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  Speaker 7: leather and it smells good.
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  Speaker 3: And all of the.
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  Speaker 7: Ingredients that you use can just go right back into
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  Speaker 7: the earth are non toxic organic. So I was pretty proud.
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  Speaker 7: This is my first.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, congratulations, that's awesome. That looks great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys shoot those deer in the head, so
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  Speaker 3: there's no bullet holes in that in that hide.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, we try to shoot everything in the head too.
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  Speaker 7: Like for deer, we try to reduce waste, yep, because
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  Speaker 7: we eat the neck and we take the neck bones
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  Speaker 7: and make deer neck soup. And I have a funny
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  Speaker 7: I have a funny story about the first time I
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  Speaker 7: learned how to hunt deer. I had never shot anything
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  Speaker 7: in the body before, because I just learned how to
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  Speaker 7: shoot everything in the head or like me, right behind
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  Speaker 7: the ear. So we were hiking up and you know,
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  Speaker 7: I didn't learn how to hunt until I was almost thirty.
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  Speaker 7: So my dad gave me a rifle and I was
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  Speaker 7: I hadn't missed yet, And I was like, Dad, what
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  Speaker 7: if I was going to shoot a deer in the body,
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  Speaker 7: Because I know a lot of people from other areas,
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  Speaker 7: you know, shoot deer like in the side. I said,
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  Speaker 7: what do I do? And so he we kind of
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  Speaker 7: stopped and on our hike and he told me. So
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  Speaker 7: I was like okay, and I was, you know, pondering that.
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  Speaker 7: And we got to this muskeg and there's a huge
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  Speaker 7: buck right across looking at me and it's like a
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  Speaker 7: four by five, the biggest deer I've ever seen. He's like, oh, shoot, shoot, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 7: So I get ready and I'm aiming for its head
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  Speaker 7: and I was like, well, I'm just going to shoot
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  Speaker 7: in the body because then I'll for sure get it.
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  Speaker 7: And I dropped down. I shot it in the body
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  Speaker 7: and it runs away and he screams like what happened
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  Speaker 7: in the first years and I I don't know, and
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  Speaker 7: what happened? And I was like, I tried to shoot
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  Speaker 7: it in the body. Well, he gave me a two
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  Speaker 7: twenty two. So I had HI last year and there's
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  Speaker 7: all this brush right and I just thought a bullet
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  Speaker 7: would blast right through brush. And he's like, you can
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  Speaker 7: never shoot through brush. Tell me that part. And I
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  Speaker 7: lost sleep for like a week. I could not stop
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  Speaker 7: thinking about missing that deer and it was big and
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  Speaker 7: shooting through brush, and so the learning experience.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it seems like you've got the deer hunting
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  Speaker 3: thing figured out now though.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, we try to skin him real close, but you
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  Speaker 7: don't want to skin him so close where you score
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  Speaker 7: the hide. So definitely take your time and and you know,
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  Speaker 7: skin him nice if you're going to save the hides,
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  Speaker 7: and then you can bark tim and you know, it
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  Speaker 7: takes like a few days to like the hair slip
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  Speaker 7: and then a week to bark tan and it produces
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  Speaker 7: beautiful results. And so now I just mixed up this
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: morning a big toe of bark tanns because I'm going
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: to try to do a hair on barked hand bear
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: hid that was gifted to me this spring.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: You need to make Steve some buckskin breeches out of
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: those things.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I would like some buckskin briches, yeah, white ones.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there you go. All right, Heather, you got
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: a couple couple new shows out on the Meat Eater Network,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Our Way of Life, which really digs into how you
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: and your dad live up there in Southeast Alaska and
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: everything you do out on the land and out on
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: the water, and that airs every Monday night at six
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: on our YouTube channel, the Media or YouTube channel. You
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: got anything to say about the experience of making that show.
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, this is an incredible experience. I'm so grateful
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: for Meat Eater, you know, sharing my story, and I
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: really think of it as not my story, but this
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: was a way for me to share a story that's
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: much bigger than mine, for our culture and you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: the people that came before me, and also for youth.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: So there's going to be a place now where you
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: can look up, you know, about sea otter hunting or
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: processing a CEO and find information, whereas previously there hasn't
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: been a lot of documentation on these processes.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think it's one of the coolest things
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: we've done a long time. It's great, it's awesome.
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: The first episode launched last night, and I've just received
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: an incredible amount of messages and phone calls and just
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: all the love that I'm feeling from friends, family and
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: people that I don't know, you know, from all over
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: is really overwhelming. I didn't really know what to expect.
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: I was kind of having a heart attack like this week,
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: nervous about it, but I felt nothing but love. And support,
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: and I really you know, I have a ten year
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: old niece and she, you know, goes on social media
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: and she talks about Taylor Swift and all these influencers, right,
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: And I I really wanted youth to be able to
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: go on social media and go on YouTube and see
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: you know, youth from here and see people like them
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: and people they know practicing their culture and not thinking
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: that you have to be like somebody else to be,
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: you know, on YouTube or on social media, and you
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: can just be yourself and we are ourselves.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, literally talked about having the runs on our first
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: He's like, I forgot the game was even there. So
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: it's really funny. If you don't want to watch Seatter Hunting,
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: you could fast forward to five minutes in and catch
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: a really funny scene with and the relationship between me
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: and my dad is pretty funny to watch.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Yep, it's great. And you're at the other show that
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: you're in Mediator Sheds. Are you in the shed right now?
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: I am.
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: I'm in my first shop. I spend a lot of
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: time in here in the fall and winter months. And
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: that was such a fun episode.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: That's where you do all your all your working on first,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: like all the stuff you make.
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, So previously I did get the opportunity to
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: share this on sheds, which I wish I would have.
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: Let me grab this.
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: So my friends showed up with my dad last year
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: and started building me this shed. So previously I was
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: working out of my two spare bedrooms and my kitchen,
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: so my whole house was full of supplies and machines
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: and all kinds of stuff were working on first and
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: my friends and family been so incredibly generous and showing
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: up and building me this space. And I love this space.
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: But until last year, I sewed everything by hand.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: So this was my.
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: Thing that I carried everywhere was equipment. Yeah, so I
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: had a little nail clipper for threads you could take
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: it on an airplane, skin sewing needles, my thimble that
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: I've been using since I was twelve. You could say
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: I've reinforced the add like three times. And so I
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: want to also encourage people like you don't start like
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: this with the shed, Barbie shed. You know, I started
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: going by hand. Every item I made my hand. It
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: took hours, and I was working out of my house.
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: So this this feels surreal. I can't believe I have
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: this shed.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: It's great. Yeah, all right, well, well thanks for checking
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: in with us. Heather is great talking to and I
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: hope you have a good fall and good winter.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Heather. Congratulations on that skin man that looks
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: that looks incredible. I'm jealous of that. I gotta I
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: gotta check that out.
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, do you take it easy?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Thanks Heather.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Up next, h We've got a segment we've done a
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: time or two in the past called Indefensible Laws, where
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: we're gonna make the case for passing fishing game laws
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: and regulations some folks might consider indefensible, but those folks
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: are wrong because we're we're going to defend them and
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: make a case for them. So Corey, you're you're up first.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, okay, just cut this one out, Phil. Why, Well,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: because this is coming from don't even float the idea.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I don't even float the idea.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I've heard Corey say this a number of times, so
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: he's got to make a case for it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Don't give it air.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is coming from a very disgruntled born and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: raised Montana here in a room surrounded by Hope cracks
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: down other states. But I'd love it if game agencies,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: whatever state you might be in, and I think a
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: lot of you know, natives to their states would agree
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that some of these once or more than once in
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: a lifetime tags maybe should be given to those native
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: residents instead of just you know, the folks who just
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: moved in six months ago to be able to apply
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: for some.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: Well, I think if you've been like if you did
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: like like let's say like twenty years in the state,
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: you're cool mmmmm.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Or there's like cumulative or let's say there's like kids
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: are in this boat.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Let's say there's like five elk tag bull elk tags
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: available and it's like special hunts specially like yeah, maybe
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: spot one of those for a native or something.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: No, well, sure, yeah, I'm really thinking like some of
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: these critters that you know, somehow they're not growing as
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: fast as other animals like moose, big horn sheep numbers
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: are just going.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: Down into it.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I just think you're cutting a little Like I think
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: that like twenty years is cool, but.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: As Brody alluded to, maybe just having like a hard
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: percentage of those going to twenty A certain group of
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: people in a bucket.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: And I don't know.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: You know, obviously twenty year bucket, you know what hospital
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you were born in or whatever.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: It's like you get kind of entered into, Like it
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: just gets a little hard to control, you know, if
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: it's twenty years, it's cool.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Right, So it's just getting hard to draw those tags.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I mean I can see.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: I mean it's always so harden.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: Oh, but it's just.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Getting harder and harder and harder.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: By degrees though, Like how much harder is point oh
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: four percent versus point oh two five percent?
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Well twice? No one thinks about it like that. No, No,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: you're looking at them. Oh shit, they're all the same,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Like they're not all the same.
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: No.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: And my problem was I just didn't buy bonus points
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: when I was guiding. I didn't think i'd ever leave
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the guy.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: There was sounds like something maybe there should be a
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: law that you, if you screw up and don't play
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: the game, you should be just out yep.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Well, or maybe native should start cruing bonus points at birth.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: That'd be nice for a while.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: You could buy your kids bid my kids, my two
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: year old had two bonus points.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they got rid of that, yep, but
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: they kept the points.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: That's nice.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: Anyway, Now what I've been telling my kids, here's the
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: deal on this one. I've been telling them because I'm
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: doing all this. If you draw, when you start drawing, moo,
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: sheep and goat, and I don't get to come with,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: you're paying me back for all that ship going back
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: to when you were a baby.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you get to go along.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: No.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I got to go with my dad on his most
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: likely once in a lifetime moose a few years ago.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: It was amazing.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Steve doesn't seem convinced, but I drew.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I Drew Goat. You know, I'm glad I drew.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Well, all right, Steve, what do he got for us?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I've been pondering this man, and I
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: was gonna do one, but I can't articulate it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: The other day I saw one of those Tesla trucks
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: with the had he kind of had a Yosemite samed
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: out where he had like some like adventure stuff and
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: he had he had one of them ride tubes mounted
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: to the and I was thinking, like I could let
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: it slide. I tried to just try to be like
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: I didn't see that. I didn't see that, but I
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: can't get it out of my head. I felt like
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: something died or something was born in that moment. Died
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: for sure, but yeah, some diet was bored. But that's
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: not my rule because I haven't thought of what the
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: law would be my law, and it's totally defensible.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: I'm not a big like you know, I'm a States
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: rights guide generally right, and I'm not for like the
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: man coming down and you know, busting everybody's heads about stuff.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: I think a good role for the federal government, a
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: good use of Trump's time would be that he comes
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: in and he says he comes in and he says,
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Hunter's orange laws going forward is a hat. I don't
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: care Executive order where you're from. I like orange hat.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you on that one.
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: So that no matter where, it's like during general firearm,
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: during general firearm, not special SIAS is during general firearm,
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: whatever your version of that is orange hat, not all
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: the vast the four hundred inches. Then you're like, you
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: got your orange vest on, but then you got your
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: biny harness on. Then you put your backpack on. You're like, well,
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: technically I don't have four hundred inches because it's all
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: and you're all worried a hat, wyoming hat.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Or best it's a hat?
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hat, have it be a hat?
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Yep, I now agree, a hat or less.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I don't want Alaska have no orange law. You shouldn't
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: make them have an orange law. It's like you can't
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: be more than a hat. Oh my god, ya, that's
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: what I meant.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: You're breaking kind of thinking about my law as I'm
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: kind of like I hadn't smoothed.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: This all out the way I would have liked. No
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: more than a hat.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: If you're more than a hat, they're going to deprive
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: you of federal funding, schools, highways, nothing, Your state's cut off.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Where's hot pink fall into this whole?
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: No hot pink.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: My daughter made me order a hot pink vest, send
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: it back. I hope she gets a ticket. I hope
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: she gets a ticket.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who's paying that one?
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it out for lawn.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: More money by executive order, no orange hat or else,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: no federal funding for anything.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Gotcha, poor kids. We should get that on the ballot.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, all right my mine. Uh, I don't know
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: if it's defensible or not. I don't think you.
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: Shall do it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: You're gonna get some you're gonna get some people. You're
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: gonna get some yeah what abouts.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna be like yeah, what about right, But
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: just just go with it.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: I don't think you should be allowed to shoot any
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: mule deer does or antelope doze any anywhere ever, because
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: like drought winner kill, like those species are always like
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: one year away from disaster, always always constantly, and we've
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: just seen places where killing mule deer does like over
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: time has had disaster effects on like regional deer herds.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Run with it. They're gonna have some naysayers, you're gonna
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: have some water bouts, but run with it, like if.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: You need meat, and like I'm all for it. They're
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: like here in Montana, you can shoot I don't know,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: ten white tailed dos if you really want to.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, if you've got a good gas budget, right.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, but there's like ways to get meat, and
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: I just don't think anyone needs to be shooting mule deer.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Dose is the main thing. But I think antelope too,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: because they're just like on the edge all the time
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: and in a lot of places. There's a general decline
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: in antelope numbers. Like tell us how you about your
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: antelope punting experience back in the day, Like what you
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: guys use to it?
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Now? We used to go we'd go out, two of
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: us to go out east to the eastern part of
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: the state.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Where because you can get all the dough.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Tags, right, so we have how many do tags would
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: you get?
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: We would go out there, we would leave the truck.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Our rule was, you leave the truck, you come back
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: with two. You leave the truck, come back with two.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: You leave the truck, come back with two. Every year, Yeah,
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: two hunters six analope. Then then all of a sudden
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: it's like, whoa, there's not that many anelope around.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: Then it becomes hard to draw a permit. And all
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: of a sudden, now they're like, hey, kill all the
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: dolls you want, right, yeah, two dolls per yeah, and
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: then let me let me, let me crystal ball this.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: In a couple of years, it'll be there's no anelope.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Around exactly because there'll be a bad winner.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: And it won't because they're overgrazing. It won't be an
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: overgrazing thing. It'll be it'll be a weather issue.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and a combination of shooting too many doughs for
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: a few years in a row.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: No, I can see it. You're gonna have a lot
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: of pushback on that one. It's not like mine.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I could kind of see an exception in
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: on like private land for like crop damage tags, where
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: you get a bunch of animals concentrated in a small area.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: But that would like be the only thing that I
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: might be willing to stretch it on. So there you go.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: M I wish we or chat going on, so people
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: could be weighing in on.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Don't get me started on that. How many years in
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: a row I haven't drawn an antelope tag.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you a secret that people aren't gonna like
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: when they hear it. Either don't do that. No, no,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: I get I get antelope tags and don't antelope do tags,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: and I don't use it.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: He's like the pe to people.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's like the people in Florida that are buying
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: all the bear draw stuff so they can sit out the.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Hunt, taking away his opportunities from little kiddies.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: He's like subverting the will of the state agency like that.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Do is gonna should come down on him man, all right, M.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: I'll get some hate for that one, but that's okay,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: all right. So we got another interview coming out. Yeah,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: the chest off only done it once or twice. We
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: got our next guest coming up, Guy grown Walld from
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Grown Walled Fur and Wool out of Minnesota, Illinois, Illinois. Sorry,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Steve told me Minnesota, and I corrected myself. I didn't
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: hear you. And this is like, uh, fur and trapping
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: related stuff.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: So Steve, you take.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Steve's gonna roll with the interview. So here we go.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: As Brody said, we're joined today by Guy Groenwald from
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: Grownwald Fur and Wool. Guy happens to be joining us,
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: uh from overseas. He's he's over in Europe right now,
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: but he we worked out the time zones and he's
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: gonna join us in the theme. What we're gonna talk
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: about is, uh, how there came to be, why there
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: is and uh an explosion in skunk you heard it right,
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: skunk hide values some historic highs right now being paid
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: for skunk hides. And if you follow the fur markets,
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: and I always do just because I think it's fun.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: And I used to like trap a lot and sell
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: stuff there's always these little bright spots in the fur markets.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: And and uh, I can't think of any time my
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: life when there's ever been a bright spot around skunk hides.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: But Guy's gonna Guy's gonna explain it all to us, uh, and.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Your whole career.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Skunks have always been a marketable fur bear, right, Like,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: there's always been some market for skunk fur.
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: No.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: No, I mean there was a time where I think
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: we destroyed like twenty thousand skins out of our freezer.
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: We just we had stored them for twenty five years,
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: and we thought it would never come back.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: Oh, it goes that bad because the reason I said that,
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: as I thought, and thanks for correcting me, I always
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: thought there'd always been some level of a novelty trade
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: in skunk that kept the market a light.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: But it was it was, you know, it was so small,
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: you know at one time that you know, it just
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: you know, and we had you know, some of the
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: off grades, you know, you just there was just no
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: way to to market them in the novelty market that
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: maybe took a couple thousand skins a year, got it?
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: Okay, So where where a skunk price has been hitting lately.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: And and also you know, before you answer that, maybe
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: do this. When when you guys buy you got you
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: guys buy from trappers. You buy from hunters, primarily trappers.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: When someone brings you a skunk, what are they bringing
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: to you? Like, just just explain that product because people
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: here skunk and they think like, oh, I must smell.
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: Bad, you know, Okay, So I'd like to differentiate. So
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: the first thing is is there is going to be
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: for most skunks this year, very little difference between just
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: bringing us the tail and bringing us the entire skin.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: With the tail. There will be very little difference in price,
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: if any. And the only reason as far as selling
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: to my company, that you would want to leave the
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: you know, the animal intact and not remove the tail
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: is basically if it's a black hide or almost all black, okay,
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: because then it'll be sold into the novelty business. And
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: and even the last couple of years before the the
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: tail business started, you know, the the novelty business was
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: kind of good. So you know, skunk were starting to
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: creep up as far as value. So right now, you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: there's still a there's still a market for novelty skunks,
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: and you know, with tails. Uh, you know most of
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: them have to have tails. And you know we have
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: thousands of skunks that are placed now without tails because
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: we can sell the tails, but we can't sell enough
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: of the hides.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: And give you real quick, give me a when the
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: novelty trade is good and you have a well and
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: you have a properly put up skunk for what would
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: that skunk what would that skunk for be selling for?
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: You know this, maybe twenty bucks something like that for
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: a really nice one, you know, perfect tail, you know,
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: big size, something like that. But you know the poor ones,
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: you know, the novelty business, you know, you just couldn't
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: move them. So you know it could be a zero.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: But you know, before this, before the tail thing came,
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: you know, you know, even a good one without the tail,
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: you know, without or with the tail, obviously for a
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: novelty was maybe twenty dollars. Okay, okay.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: And so when guys are when you're buying just for
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: the tails, and we'll get to what's happening with them,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: But when you're buying just for the tails, you're buying
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: you want the tailbone removed.
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: I want the tailbone removed, and we want it like
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: it's stretched and dried, just like any other skin that
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: you would stretch and dry, or like if you stretched
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: and dried the skunk skin. You want to do the tail.
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: You want to remove the fat. I mean, if you're
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: going to catch a hundred skunks this year, I would
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: buy a little boor axe. Borax works a little better
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: than salt. And you know, you don't typically put salt
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: dry a hide as far as the fur bearer goes.
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: But a little borax or a little salt on a
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: on a tail is probably not a bad idea. After
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: you take the after you take the flesh.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Off, So you're taking there. Let's let's just focus on
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: the tails, I guess.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: So, okay, you're taking a tail, you're cutting the till,
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: you're cutting the tail off at the base of the tail.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Yep, you're pulling, you're removing the bone.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: Then you're scraping all the excess fat and muscle off,
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: so you scrape it down to clean leather, clean skin.
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: We should shouldn't take you more than a minute.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: You shouldn't take you more in a minute. And then
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: you're tacking it out. So you're opening that thing out
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: on a board and tacking it out yeap or.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: Putting a little screen across it or anything just to
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: kind of keep it flat and make sure that you
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: go all the way to the tip because those longest
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: white fibers are on the tip, so you want to
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: make sure you.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Go all the way to the end, and then you
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: dry it. And if you want to add a little
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: borax on there to help it dry, that's fine.
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: That's that's that's probably a pretty good idea, especially, you know,
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: if you're gonna do any kind of quantity, you know,
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: that would be a really good idea. You're not gonna
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: have any hair loss, You're not gonna have any putification,
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: you know. So it's just it does a little nicer
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: job because that leather on the on the on the
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: tail is a little thicker, and just it'll it'll dry
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: down faster.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Okay, we'll get in a minute to what some of
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: the what what I deem to be like pretty crazy
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: prices being paid for skunks right now. But but explain
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: to folks, where are these skunks going and why weren't
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: they going there before?
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: Well, they just they they're they're going for you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: Hasidic strimles, the hats, the Jewish hats for Orthodox Jews.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Can you pull one of those up real quick?
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Phil?
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Do we have that technological case? It will take me
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: a sack, but I can do it. Go ahead, go ahead, guys.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: And they're just they're just they just didn't use them.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: I mean, they they find a you know, uh, a
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: fiber that they really like and uh, they use it
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: and it works, it works well. They want something that's
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: real long, they want something that's kind of stiff, and
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: they want something that kind of waves and when they
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: dance or you know, when they move around. And so yeah,
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: that's that's what they're looking for.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: We're looking at all. We're trying to pull a strimle
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: up right now.
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: Okay, I think we pulled one up last year.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so where how how is the skunk is
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the skunk?
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: How is the tail being employed in that hat?
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: It's it's they're just using the fibers, But how.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Are they getting them in there? Like like like what
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: are they hooking it to there?
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: It's a it's an intricate process. There's glues and there's
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: innerwoven and yeah, it's it's a real I mean those
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: aren't you know, three hundred dollars hats.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: You know, how many how many tails to make one hat?
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: I think for the really good ones, maybe twenty sixteen,
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: twenty or something.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, And you said that's a three hundred dollars hat.
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: No, I said it's not. I mean it's thousands of dollars.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: Okay, So but why did Why are some strimles three
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: hundred bucks and then some are thousands?
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: Based on I don't think anything's three hundred, but you
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: know some of them are definitely a couple of thousand
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: bucks cheaper.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: So that is like, is it fair to say, I
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: don't want to put words in your mouth, is it
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: fair to say that this is sort of like a trend.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: This is a trend with that style of hat.
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: It is, but you know this is not like necessarily
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: like like a typical fashion trend. You know, this could
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: be used for you know, for years. I mean they've
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: used that same hat that you had up there, you know,
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: has sable tails in it, and they've used table tails
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: for years and years, and there's and underneath it they
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: use fisher tails and you know, there's they they and
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: they've used them for years and years and years, and
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: they do though sometimes changed, they they do sometimes change
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: the look a little bit and go a different route.
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: Sable tales get more expensive, they use more of this
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: or more of that. But they you know, they have
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: used tails for you know, years and years, they just
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: haven't used skunk tails ever before.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Are most of these hats being sold in Hasidic communities
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: in the Eastern US? Or are these being exported to
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: Hasidic communities in Europe and Israel?
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Like where are they winding up?
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: They are some of the some of the strimle is
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: is all over, but probably the skunk is mostly just
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: in the Eastern US, you know, Brooklyn and.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: O K got it?
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: Got it? Got it?
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: And then when people if a if a consumer is
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: buying a strimle is, is a consumer shopping just by
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: look or are they shopping where? Like like if if
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: you're a if you're selling, if you sell stribles, are
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: you advertising it as to its contents or is it
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: people just buy it? Say like the look? Are they
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: going in and saying like I want one with skunk,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I want one with safe?
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: Oh no, I mean there's I mean I think even
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: a pretty casual observer could see the difference and the
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: difference in quality the longer hair, just how much nicer
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: it looks. I mean I've seen him in person, and yeah,
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: I mean it's kind of the bigger the better. Really.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my question was very clear what I and you
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: might not know the answer to this.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: Does the buyer? Is the buyer aware of what fur
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: it was, what fur was being used? Or do you
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: think it's just you're just aware of the look and
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: you like the look. I think they're more aware of
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: the look I see.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, just they're just like, wow, that looks you know,
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: that looks a lot more you know, whatever you want
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: to call that.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, so let's talk about let's talk about prices,
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: because this is where it gets kind of interesting. You know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: I remember in the years I trapped, you know, I
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: mean like skunks man, you know, three four bucks?
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Right, So.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: What could people expect this coming as we're coming into
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: the as we're coming into the fall, coming into the
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: trap in seasons? What could people expect for a good
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: skunk tail? And what makes a skunk tail good?
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: We're going to be fifty, thirty five, and twenty depending
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: on how good the tail is, okay, and twenty and
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: then if it's if if somebody brings in a tail
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: and it's completely black, it's worthless. Okay. Now, if you'd
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: left that on this on a skunk, you know, and
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: had the whole skunk, and it was a nice skunk,
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: you know, just maybe with just a little bit of white,
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: you know, the skunk might be worth fifteen bucks. Okay,
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: because that can be used as a novelty skunk. But
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: if they if it's if it's got a lot of
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: white on it, you might as well just chop it off.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Mhmm. Okay, So what makes when you say a lot
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: of white? Like try to help someone understand.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: So if they're looking at the totality of the tail
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: and they're seeing that like fifty percent of that tail
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: is white, where does that sit?
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: That was?
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: Probably that's probably a fifty dollars skunk, I mean if
• 44:53
  Speaker 6: it if it's But the only thing is like sometimes
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: we have to look at a few other things, like
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: the end. They could be like it sort of looks
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: like the fibers are like cut off at like three inches. Yep.
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: That that could That could also mean it's it's not
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: worth anything.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Can you see me pretty good?
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: I can see a little. But that's that's a probably uh,
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: that would be you know, thirty thirty five bucks probably. Okay,
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: that's a pretty nice that's a pretty nice that's a
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: thirty five.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, this one kind of feels like a seven dollars tail.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Now look what'll be looking at now? Thirty five?
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, i'd say maybe maybe maybe even a little better
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: than that.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Good somewhere.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're all, yeah, dude, I gotta tell you, man,
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: if I was if I was still, if I was
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: still just like a Michigan kid with a bunch of traps, dude,
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: I would be going nuts.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: I would be going nuts this fall.
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you know, we I'm certain that you know
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: there's gonna be more more skunk strap this year.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: So you know who's getting real excited right now is
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: a turkey hunters, because yeah, because like all those with
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: fur prices being down for a long time. Sure, and
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: you see these explosions of possums, skunks, raccoons, and you
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: see like declines in and ground nesting bird populations that
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: line up with those explosions, and mid sized predators, small
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: mid sized predators. It could be pretty good news for
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: birds too, if there's some interest what other oh sorry,
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: if you trap skunked.
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: You know you're gonna you're gonna catch all those other
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: items as well.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're gonna have easy time getting permissions.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: When you go and say can I trap skunks, They're
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: probably gonna be like, uh huh, Well give us another.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: Give us a quick little snapshot, last last thing. We'll
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: hold you here for give us a snapshot of of
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: fur market in general, Like like going into the going
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: into the twenty five twenty six season, what's the what's
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: the forecast?
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: I think I think I would start with skunk actually,
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: and I mean the big question we get asked by
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: everybody is this thing gonna last? Okay? And I think
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: it's very similar to the beaver market. You know, three
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: years ago when the beaver price went way up. You know,
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: I think that we all thought there is no way
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: we knew what the usage was. It's a very good market.
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: The beaver, you know, hat market is still very good.
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: It's just that trappers went out and caught way more
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: than we possibly thought they were going to catch, okay,
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: and so the market got a little depressed. I you know,
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: there's there's two types of markets to go down. One
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: is because nobody's using the product, and one is because
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: they're producing too much. I mean, I like I'm much
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: more I like a market that's you know, being produced
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: too much rather than a market that's not being used,
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: because it means I can still sell it. So it'll it'll,
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: I think the skunk thing, you know, we'll start certainly
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: start out hot. We need a lot of skunks, and uh,
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: we'll just see how aggressive trappers are and if they're
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: super aggressive. You know, if you have extra skunks, you know, stunkdales,
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: what do you do with them? You know nothing? So
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: you know, we'll figure it out as we go. But
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: for right now, we'll start off hot. I think, uh,
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: last spring, you know when we ended up you know,
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: buying that. You know, we run all the routes for beaver,
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: which is you know into you know April and May.
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: The market was very difficult. You know, we couldn't hardly
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: sell a muskrat in April.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: May.
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: We had a very difficult time selling racoon in April May.
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: China's market because of tariffs. You know, the economy there
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: was horrible. You know, all those items wild mink, I
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: mean you just didn't hardly want to buy it. You know,
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: the guys brought their beavers. They had trapped those and
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: that market had gone down, So you were buying all
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: this stuff and you couldn't sell any of it. So
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: compared to what the market ended up last year, you know,
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: if you take those prices, which we're you know, which
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: we're I'll acknowledge they were pretty bad. I mean, I
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: would say almost every item is up. You know, wild
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: mink will you know, certainly they'll be double what they
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: were last year. I mean, they're still not going to
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: be great, but you know, you could probably see some
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: twelve dollars mails, which is you know, you know, much
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: higher than it was last year. I would say muskrats,
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: you know, they were they were unsaleable, you know at
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: one time last year. They're they're definitely stronger. We've sold
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: a few rats recently. Heavy raccoon, you know, the semis
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: are not so great, but you know some of the heavies,
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: you know, there's it's just an item that's not produced
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: that much anymore, you know, Wisconsin, northern Iowa, southern Minnesota, Nebraska,
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: Dakota's you know that coon is still is still a
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: bit in demand. So yeah, I mean, I I I'm
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: a little bit more positive than I was maybe even
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: at this time last year. As far as the market
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: on most items, coyote market is still you know, very
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: very difficult. But most items they're certainly going to be
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: a market for. And uh, you know, go out and
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: trap them, and uh, you know, if you're drafting skunks,
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: you know you might as well, uh, you know, trap
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: some of the other stuff, you know, some of the
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: you know, raccoons. You know, obviously you know, look for
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: the better stuff. You know, you know, it's the stuff
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: with holes, the stuff that's discolored. You know, things like
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: that are going to have very little value. But uh,
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: you know, most stuff will most things will be you know,
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: a little better than last year.
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: Okay, last last question, Uh, are there are gonna are
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: there gonna be thousand dollars bobcats again this year in
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: the right places?
• 50:17
  Speaker 8: Ah?
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, I would say so. Yeah. Yeah, the bobcat market,
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: we're you know, we're pretty well sold out of uh
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: out of better bobcats. So yeah, market is, uh is
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: pretty good on those as well.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Excellent man, All right, guy Groenwall, thanks for joining man.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Good luck on scorch.
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: Thank you very much. Yeah, we'll talk to you all right.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Zach get you excited for trapping season.
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: Well, I don't, you know.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: I just keep my stuff and use it for stuff,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: hats and whatnot.
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: But I'm telling you, dude, if I was like, if
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: you could go back, if I was like me as
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: a senior in high school and I knew that I
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: could be those prices.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: On skunks, I would be good.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: They were a nuisance catch for you back then.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Or it would be going game busters.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: You know you tried to like you did your best
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: to avoid them. I would be going just to be
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: able to be like to try getting them. I would
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: be going absolutely gangbusters.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: You're probably some trappers that are going, oh.
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, because you like talking like, yeah, well a
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: bunch of day. Yeah, and it's just the tails, right
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: wing nuts.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Cool something new.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: That's my whistle for that. Do that, Phil, You're probably
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: good at it. Nope, Okay, we plugged a live to
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: her at the end.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, let's do it at the end.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Arkansas sold out, Fanville sold out.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: We still got stuff to go through here.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think we're done. I was just gonna
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: butt it in there. How was my interview to go
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: too long? No?
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: No, we're fine.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Perfect man needs you on more of these.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: Time for a hot tip Off segment, since it's that
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: time of year when a lot of you out there
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: about to get accused of abandoning your husbandly and fatherly duties.
• 51:58
  Speaker 8: Not me.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Doesn't happen to me, I know a lot of you.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: It's it's a problem. We gotta Oh wait, did I
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: jump ahead?
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: Yep?
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Jumped ahead?
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Sorry number six first, Steve questions, No, I know, I
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: just we've.
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Got a bonus hot tip off. We'll get to that,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: my bat. It's Hot tip Off time where we decide
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: which two hunters has the best kernel of hard won
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: knowledge and expertise. This week, the winner is going to
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: get a bench made meat crafter, you want to pull
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: it out, Corey Meat Crafter two point zero, and both
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: flavors of our our new jerky right there, Steve, you
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: want to hold Classic Pepper?
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: What my hold?
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: Ear? Oh?
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So the winner's going to get that stuff Classic
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: Pepper and Hawaiian Terioki.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Winner's getting that stuf Buffalo meat, and both contestants are
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: going to get a copy of the new Fed Up
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Old Trucks Calendar. It signed, which makes it very valuable
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: and rare.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Collector ye.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: And and today's hot tip off. It is a special
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Wisconsin edition, the cheese curd edition. We've got Ryan beegle versus,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Kevin Hall, Phil you want to roll the tape, Ryan
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: bunt Rock.
• 53:15
  Speaker 10: Hey, folks, Ryan, coming at you here from Wisconsin. I've
• 53:19
  Speaker 10: got a hot tip off this week for your out
• 53:22
  Speaker 10: of state hunts. When you have to cross lines and
• 53:24
  Speaker 10: get the brains out of the skulls for CWD reasons,
• 53:29
  Speaker 10: pack your cordless drill and you can either bring your
• 53:33
  Speaker 10: own little fourteen gage wire with a jay hook at
• 53:37
  Speaker 10: the end, or if you're in a pinch, any old
• 53:40
  Speaker 10: school tent steak and take your cordless drill, stick it
• 53:46
  Speaker 10: in the back of the skull and your am. It'll
• 53:49
  Speaker 10: come out in goops. Dump it out. Take your standard
• 53:53
  Speaker 10: issue water bottle, or if you're a high roller, get
• 53:56
  Speaker 10: the skeezy one with the nozzle on the top from
• 53:58
  Speaker 10: quick drip into the back. Here your squeeze, shake it out,
• 54:05
  Speaker 10: raamer again, back and forth. Could you get all that
• 54:09
  Speaker 10: stuff out of the rain cavity?
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: M M.
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: It comes out like a goop.
• 54:14
  Speaker 10: But you got yourself a legal skull for across the
• 54:17
  Speaker 10: state lines.
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: Thanks.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: That's brilliant. All right, what's the next one? Do you
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: like that one? Hey, meet your crew.
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: This is Kevin Comming Atcher from Wisconsin. For my hot tip,
• 54:30
  Speaker 8: I'd like to discuss a dedicated kill kit. So when
• 54:34
  Speaker 8: I'm preparing to go on any Western hunt, what I
• 54:37
  Speaker 8: like to do is take one of these gallon sized
• 54:40
  Speaker 8: vacuum sealed bags and I'll place my game bags in there,
• 54:45
  Speaker 8: along with a couple of zip ties, my hunting license
• 54:50
  Speaker 8: and hunter safety card, maybe throwing a couple of rubber gloves,
• 55:00
  Speaker 8: and then I always keep a dedicated skinning knife with
• 55:03
  Speaker 8: extra razor blades all inside this bag.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: I'll throw it on the vacuum seal here, pull all
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: the air out of it, and once that's done, I
• 55:20
  Speaker 8: know I have a dedicated bag that I'll leave in
• 55:22
  Speaker 8: the bottom of my pack and it's only gonna come
• 55:24
  Speaker 8: out once I successfully harvest an animal.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Hot tip for you, man, it's a tough one. It's
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: a tough one.
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: You know what he should do with that vax either
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: you ever do this with your kids, Like when we're
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: going somewhere, I'll take their coming home close and vac
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: sealed they're coming home close.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Then they never get into them and their head. It
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't exist anymore.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Man, I've lost usage for my vac seiler. I don't
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: like putting meat in there anymore.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: So that might be a good way microplastics shrinking your tain.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: No, I just have a hard time getting every single
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: one to seal correctly, and then the meat doesn't last
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: as long compared.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: To but your paper, and I feel like I don't
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: need to keep this conversation.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my license and and my hunter safety card in
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: there with that stuff.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: And I can see putting your tag in there, yeah
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: tag in some states, but that they can't. You can't
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: ding them on that.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying. I'm just making observations.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: It's brilliant.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Probably probably compresses those game bags down nice, so they're
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: taking up less space.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: In your path.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: But man, I'm weighing in. I'm going with the skull
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: cleaning thing because I've used like a piece of coat
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: hanger and oh yeah, I'm gonna try that.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Here's why I'm going. Here's why I'm going. Brain yeah, slurry.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: I the kill kit thing. I like it, but it's
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: a packaging scheme, Yes, not a scheme.
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: It's a packaging it's a packing strategy, yes, which is cool, ye,
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: but it's a package.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: It's like it's like it's all stuff you'd already think
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: to bring, but here's how to.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, you might have it in a little stuff
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: said ching in a pocket and your backpackage, just a
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: different way to do it.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: So he's pitching us on how to pack it.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: The other guy with the brain slurry, that's a legit
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: pain in the ass.
• 57:13
  Speaker 6: Messy.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: So he's introducing a you know, all due respect, i've
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: heard that before.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I I it's makes it more efficient.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: But he's introducing a whole concept yep. So I'm gonna
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: go with that.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: And everyone's got a drill laying around.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I've heard the the idea to
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: vaccial your food and everything if you're really trying to
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: compact your backpack if you're going on a multi day
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: hunt or whatever. So that one wasn't new to me.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: But using the tent steak on a drill for the
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: brain matter, that one was new to me. So I'm
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: going for the brain matter splatter.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: All right, man, we got a winner.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: Ryan, You're the winner.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: Hey, congratulations, gratulations hard one, But Kevin, you still get
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: a calendar because your tip was pretty good.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Too hard one.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: So now we can jump ahead to the and Corey
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: those we'll get their contact and all that stuff to
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: get that stuff out. Oh for sure. Cool. All right,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: we got a bonus hot tip for you today since
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: I'll read it again a lot are you out there
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: are going to get accused of abandoning your husbandly and
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: fatherly duties. So we got a very special bonus hot
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: tip that we felt was worth its own segment. Let
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: a rip phill.
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: Hi.
• 58:29
  Speaker 9: My name's Ashley. We live in Wisconsin.
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: We're new to the area.
• 58:34
  Speaker 9: I'm a wife of a newish to hunting dad and
• 58:40
  Speaker 9: we listened to the podcast every now and again and
• 58:44
  Speaker 9: we thought we would give a hot tip per tip
• 58:47
  Speaker 9: off from the wife's perspective. If you need here's my tip.
• 58:53
  Speaker 9: If you need more time because you haven't filled your
• 58:57
  Speaker 9: tags yet, but you're worried that your wife will get
• 59:02
  Speaker 9: mad because she's stuck alone with the kids again, Uh huh,
• 59:09
  Speaker 9: here's my tip. It's five five tips to get your
• 59:12
  Speaker 9: wife to be totally fine with you going back out
• 59:16
  Speaker 9: in the sand. Number one, get her coffee, Set her
• 59:20
  Speaker 9: up for success, Get her a coffee, clean the kitchen,
• 59:26
  Speaker 9: make lunch, plan for dinner like take out, take out
• 59:32
  Speaker 9: the meat to thaw. Plan for dinner, make lunch, get
• 59:36
  Speaker 9: her a coffee, clean the kitchen, and get a new
• 59:40
  Speaker 9: activity for the kids. Coloring books, new markers. Yes, you
• 59:44
  Speaker 9: already have markers, but we like new ones, fresh ones.
• 59:48
  Speaker 9: Activity for the cat, plan an activity for the kids,
• 59:52
  Speaker 9: plan for dinner, make lunch, get her coffee, clean the kitchen.
• 59:57
  Speaker 9: She'll never be mad at you for going out again.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: Gotten.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: That's a good woman right there, man, because she's like
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: laying out her expectation.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: No, that dude doesn't have to guess. Good point, person.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like, don't be a goober and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: just leave without like doing what you're supposed to do.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Or or yeah, or you say, like I get it,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: this is annoying.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: What could I do exactly like I get it, Like
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: I could get the whole, like I could see from
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: your perspective, this is like a big ass What can
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: I do one short term yep, to help out?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: And what in long term? What can I do to
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: to like a little payback?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I feel like you gotta be careful because
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: you like can't like get this thing where you like
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: work yourself into a corner and you can't go Yeah.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: Well, right, when his kids get a year after year
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: after year, when his kids get older, though, here's his solution.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: If this is the thing, this is the thing for
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: young dads.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: You, if you take all the kids with you, no
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: one will ever get mad exactly you.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: You're you come home a hero every time.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: And they don't have to be of hunting age.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: No, right, If you take them all with you, you
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: could be like, I'm taking the kids out and I'm gonna,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: uh throw them out of a tree, have fun.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: It's like, if you take them all with you, no
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: one is ever ever gonna get mad at you.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can be preemptive about it. You could
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: take them camping over the summer, like before hunting season,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: and give the spouse a break for a weekend. Sure,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: then you then you're ahead of the game.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: People love their kids, but there's a lot most people
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: are like, dude, if you're gonna take them and go
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: away for a couple of.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Days, please, Yes, then you don't have to worry about
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: anyway being mad.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: But Ashley made some great points, so thanks for sharing. Ashley,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: We're also going to give you one of the signed calendars.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: Uh and and your husband could put that up in
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: the garage and like mark times when you should be
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: taking care of the kids instead of you.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Coffee check, kitchen check, yep, markers check, lunch.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: Use that calendar the way it's supposed to be us
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: meat thought.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: I like that little detail.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: That's yeah, that's a big one.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Break out that burger.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Get that burger thought out.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: Thanks Ashley, yep.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Thanks everyone for joining. That's the end of this
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: week's show. We'll see you guys next week next Thursday
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: on October sixteenth, and everything's going to be live, so
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: the chat room will be back and we can we
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: can talk with you guys as we go. So thanks
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: everyone for tuning in.