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Old School Cool: The Classic Kit of Overlanding · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Scott Brady, and I feel like right now I should
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  Speaker 1: be doing this entire introduction in an English accent because
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  Speaker 1: I'm wearing a pith helmet. Now why am I wearing
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  Speaker 1: a pith helmet? I'm wearing a pith helmet because Matt
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  Speaker 1: Scott and I are going to start to talk about
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  Speaker 1: old school cool. So we're going to talk about classic
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  Speaker 1: Overland gear, We're going to talk about period correct vehicle modifications.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to really kind of do a deep dive
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  Speaker 1: into something that is just a lot of fun. So
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  Speaker 1: this is not travel advice. We're not suggesting that people
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  Speaker 1: throw their smartphone out the window, although I think about
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  Speaker 1: doing that daily. But we are talking about using cool
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  Speaker 1: old gear to kind of reconnect with that heritage, with
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  Speaker 1: that legacy of travel and learning about those old technologies
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  Speaker 1: and those old ways of doing things in a way
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  Speaker 1: that brings us a lot of joy. So please enjoy
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  Speaker 1: my conversation with Matt Scott on old school cool. This
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  Speaker 1: All right, Matt, So we've got old school cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about doing things the right way, and.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to see how long how long I can
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  Speaker 1: balance this pith helmet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're not on my you're not on my
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  Speaker 2: headphones watching it, This will make no sense to you.
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  Speaker 2: But Scott is balancing a pith helmet on top of
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  Speaker 2: his headphones. We got talking about this idea of period
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  Speaker 2: correct vehicles, which we're going to talk about today because
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  Speaker 2: there's I think there's a lot of merit to that,
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  Speaker 2: but then also all of these other things that are
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  Speaker 2: kind of steeped in adventure travel lore like things a
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  Speaker 2: lot of us still get excited about, like paper maps
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  Speaker 2: or or hardcover bound books or analog watches, things like
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  Speaker 2: that that I think a lot of people have appreciate.
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  Speaker 2: Watches is a great way. I mean, you're you're wearing
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  Speaker 2: your your speedmaster. I've got my little garment. And that's
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  Speaker 2: the best way to put it is. There are all
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  Speaker 2: of these modern accessories that make life on the road
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  Speaker 2: or overlanding or four wheel drive travel like so much easy.
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  Speaker 2: They do, but I don't know if it necessarily makes
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  Speaker 2: things better.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes they do. I think it's it's like any
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  Speaker 1: of the especially if you look at the fact that
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  Speaker 1: the modern human is having to encounter all of these
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  Speaker 1: addictive elements at such a rapid rate. You have these
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  Speaker 1: psychologists that that's their job to make whatever version of
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  Speaker 1: social media that you're on as addictive as addictive as possible.
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  Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with electronics. If if we
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  Speaker 1: just got back to if we exercised every single day reliably,
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  Speaker 1: we probably wouldn't need any kind of electronic device to
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  Speaker 1: tell us that we're feeling better. But it is something
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  Speaker 1: that helps us get the process started, yeah, and oftentimes,
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  Speaker 1: like if I was an elite, leite athlete, which I'm not,
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  Speaker 1: then then that stuff would probably be more useful. What
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about now is taking some joy in the analog,
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  Speaker 1: taking some joy and I'm totally gonna lose this bit helmet.
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  Speaker 1: It's like barely, barely we're now accepting that. I know,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to see, We're to see how long this
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  Speaker 1: thing actually I'm going to get animated at some point
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  Speaker 1: that he's go, it's going to go flying. But I
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  Speaker 1: do think starting with the analog watch is an interesting idea.
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  Speaker 1: You and I both have a bunch of analog watches.
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  Speaker 1: The one that I love the most is is my
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  Speaker 1: dad's Siko and it was it was a Saiko.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 1: It's called the Pogue. It's basically a it's a chronometer.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's an old watch that he bought when he
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  Speaker 1: was in the Air Force in Thailand. One day he's like, hey, Scott,
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  Speaker 1: I got this old watch you might be interested in.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like any watch collector when their dad says that,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, what is gonna because you have no idea
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  Speaker 1: like what it's going to be. It could be like
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  Speaker 1: an old crappy Cassio or like you have no idea,
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  Speaker 1: and he pulls out this very rare saiko, this very
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  Speaker 1: cool old Saiko that now I get to wear, which
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  Speaker 1: is awesome, Which is awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't expect any less from your dad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And then like right now, I'm you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm wearing this this Speedmaster from from Omega. So that's
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  Speaker 1: a that's a to take the hat off because it's
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  Speaker 1: till it's going to go cascading down in some wrong direction.
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  Speaker 1: The speed Master is an interesting one because it was
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  Speaker 1: the first watch that was certified for space travel. It
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  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the fact that this watch
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  Speaker 1: is a great watch for some technical reason other than
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  Speaker 1: at the time it was technically superior for space travel.
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  Speaker 1: But today I like to wear it because it brings
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  Speaker 1: that history with it. It bring I have to wind
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  Speaker 1: it every morning.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I love about my speed Master is like
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  Speaker 2: it's the winding, Like that's what makes it kind of
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  Speaker 2: unique and addictive because it's that fidget.
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  Speaker 1: Spinner as the original fidget. It's the original fidget spinner.
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  Speaker 1: But it's also like, I'm not an astronaut, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: even a pilot. But I have such respect for those trap,
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  Speaker 1: for those those astronauts, for the cosmonauts, for all of
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  Speaker 1: those people who took these huge risks to push the
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  Speaker 1: limits of exploration. And I get to wear a small
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  Speaker 1: piece of that. And for someone else it might be
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  Speaker 1: a Rolex explorer like that was worn by Sir Edmund
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  Speaker 1: Hillary when he made the first ascent of Everest. So
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  Speaker 1: there are all of these things that are analog, that
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  Speaker 1: are I think, that are interesting and they can add
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  Speaker 1: a lot of value to our life or a lot
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  Speaker 1: of pleasure. You had a really good disclaimer, which I
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  Speaker 1: think is important for us to talk about in the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: This is not travel advice. Yeah right, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: file this one under overland class or not overland classified,
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  Speaker 1: under Overland Classic, overlanding maybe yeah, Overland Lifestyle, Overland Lifestyle.
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  Speaker 2: Overland Lifestyle podcast. Yeah. I mean, I think for me,
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  Speaker 2: I just go back to how amazing four wheel drives
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  Speaker 2: have become, and let's say the last ten years. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what it was it? Two thousand and seven we had
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  Speaker 2: the JK, for example, and all of a sudden you
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  Speaker 2: had something that went down the road as fast as
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  Speaker 2: you wanted, went over as far as an overlander is concerned,
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  Speaker 2: went over anything, YEP was pretty reliable, got decent gas watch,
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  Speaker 2: and it's just gotten better and better. Like you look
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  Speaker 2: at the jail, you look at the new Grenadier, you
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  Speaker 2: look at the you know, the stuff Toyota's doing. You
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: look at fifty is huge, but then you look at
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  Speaker 2: like it's not really an overland trug. But you look
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  Speaker 2: at like the Raptor or the TRX, and you see
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  Speaker 2: how far and how fast things can go. And I
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  Speaker 2: guess what maybe started this whole thing for me? Is
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  Speaker 2: it just it just becomes so easy, you know, Like
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  Speaker 2: I go on my phone, I have gaya on my phone.
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  Speaker 2: I know exactly where I am. I make the route
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  Speaker 2: or the track beforehand, I follow it. I have no
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  Speaker 2: mechanical issues, the car doesn't overheat. I just kind of
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  Speaker 2: drive I go.
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  Speaker 1: You're set at the like a perfect seventy degree.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, interior technics and seats are on part of camping,
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  Speaker 2: part of overlanding, part of a lot of this. You know,
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  Speaker 2: outdoor pursuit is being a little bit uncomfortable, and.
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  Speaker 1: We're meant to as humans. It's it's how if you
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  Speaker 1: think about that, we don't need to go into specific
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  Speaker 1: time frames, because everybody has a different opinion of that.
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  Speaker 1: But if you go with eons as a time frame,
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  Speaker 1: for eons, human beings have been uncomfortable pretty much all
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  Speaker 1: of the time. So I think that modernity has created
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  Speaker 1: this condition where I think a lot of people are
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  Speaker 1: unhappy because they're not being tested, they're not being challenged.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so driving old land rover, Yeah, I look at
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  Speaker 2: this land Rover that's that's behind us, and things like
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  Speaker 2: that just become more appealing to me lately because you're
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  Speaker 2: so cocooned in comfort. I mean particularly you know, we
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  Speaker 2: travel in an earth roam right now, and oh it's
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  Speaker 2: I want to sleep at sixty eight degrees. You press
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  Speaker 2: the button for the AC, you turn the starlink on,
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  Speaker 2: and you're falling asleep in ninety sitcoms like it's almost
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  Speaker 2: too easy. Yeah, you know, and people listen know that
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  Speaker 2: I'm into kind of classic cars in the kind of
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  Speaker 2: collector car space. I kind of hang out in that world,
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  Speaker 2: and there's this whole idea of you know, vehicles being
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  Speaker 2: period correct. You know, the restomod thing was definitely a craze.
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  Speaker 2: You know. Restomd is a term I use lightly I
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: guess putting disc brakes in your car, I go for it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, probably a good idea, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: getting rid of points and getting an electronic distributor. It's
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  Speaker 2: just going to make it better, the idea. And it
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  Speaker 2: really sunk in when I was just at Goodwood Revival.
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  Speaker 2: Is this idea of things kind of being in period
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  Speaker 2: and actually how important it is. Yeah, you know we
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  Speaker 2: look at this defender and that's behind us, down to
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  Speaker 2: the correct steel wheels, the safety devices, brush guard, the
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  Speaker 2: michelin xcls.
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  Speaker 1: These aren't the Ramsey worm drive Winch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. The defender to me is a great
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  Speaker 2: example like like this to me is what a defender
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  Speaker 2: should be. Sorry, that was Superwinch, super Winch. The defender
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  Speaker 2: to me should be like you can overbuild these things,
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  Speaker 2: you can really make them terrible. Like you see a
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  Speaker 2: lot of these vehicles that come out of the UK
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  Speaker 2: and they've got the you know, the quilted Northern Cross
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  Speaker 2: stitched ply weird seats and door panels on al Kintara,
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  Speaker 2: and they've got these like terrible wheels on them and
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  Speaker 2: these huge, massive tires. That is never what the defender
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  Speaker 2: was meant to be. Like you're missing the point, Like
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  Speaker 2: the Defender is meant to be a bit of a tractor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it was. Yeah, it's something that Chelsea tractor. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's something that you get in and it brings you
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  Speaker 2: back to a time. Yeah, and I think that that's
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  Speaker 2: becoming a little bit more important. And the way that
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  Speaker 2: you know, people will build a period correct nine to
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  Speaker 2: eleven down to the bias ply tires that it used
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  Speaker 2: to race. Yeah, let's have that same experience on the
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  Speaker 2: four whel drive side.
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  Speaker 1: And for me when I drive the Defender, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things that I notice. I noticed that I'm
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  Speaker 1: not as easily distracted. I'm I mean, I've already gotten
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  Speaker 1: rid of my smartphone. While I'm on the domestic side
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  Speaker 1: of things, I don't don't use a smartphone anymore, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't find this compulsion to check my phone. I
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  Speaker 1: don't even have a way to charge the phone. There's
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  Speaker 1: not only not a cigarette lighter, there's not a radio
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  Speaker 1: with a touchscreen to plug it in to have your podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there is nothing in the car that connects
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  Speaker 1: to modern electronic at all. There's no obed two. It
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  Speaker 1: is all one hundred percent analog. And because it's a
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  Speaker 1: manual transmission. I'm shifting. The windows may not even go up,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm whatever the temperature is outside.
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  Speaker 2: That's where That's what you're doing exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I'm driving the car, and every single time I do it.
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  Speaker 1: Now it doesn't mean that I want to drive the
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  Speaker 1: thing to Seattle, like would I of course, but like,
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  Speaker 1: like there are better choices for like getting work done,
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  Speaker 1: but sometimes it feels really good to disconnect from all
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  Speaker 1: of that and just enjoy something that is classic.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously different periods, but you know, I look at the
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  Speaker 2: aav Lja that I have, Yeah, and I love that
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  Speaker 2: car and I love getting into it. You know, for me,
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  Speaker 2: that is literally two thousand and six. I know that
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  Speaker 2: that's not vintage, but we're not really talking about vintage.
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  Speaker 1: We're coming up on twenty years though, Matt. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about things being era appropriate, And like that
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  Speaker 2: car came out when I was sixteen. That was if
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  Speaker 2: I had I mean, I didn't have posters on my walls,
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  Speaker 2: but if I did.
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  Speaker 1: Two thousand and six, you were sixteen, So that was
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  Speaker 1: the year we started overline journal. Yeah, and then I
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  Speaker 1: even worked for you, like a couple years later, you did.
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of what I'm kind of trying to get.
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  Speaker 2: It is like there's an emotion that's nice, that's a
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  Speaker 2: disconnect in that car for me, that every modification that
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  Speaker 2: is on that it's period correct. It's all the correct
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  Speaker 2: AEV parts, from the AEV Big break Kit to the
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  Speaker 2: nth degree suspension. Everything is the dream of two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and six. Yeah, there's a lot of people that are
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  Speaker 2: looking at theo's like, oh that was just yesterday. I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm I'm younger than you, so get over it.
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  Speaker 2: But to me, it's like so to you, it is classic. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's no there's no touch screen. You know, it still
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  Speaker 2: has like a regular radio. It's like kind of like
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  Speaker 2: you know, the little green letters that tells you that
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  Speaker 2: you know the number of the station. There's no crazy
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  Speaker 2: interior lighting like modern jeeps. It still drives like a jeep.
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  Speaker 2: You know. It's got a nice V eight so it
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  Speaker 2: has some power. But I haven't gotten rid of my smartphone,
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  Speaker 2: but I have like a little Bluetooth adapter that streams
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  Speaker 2: it by FM radio and I have like on album
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  Speaker 2: music like two thousand and six Rocket Alternatives or something,
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  Speaker 2: and it just kind of takes me into this period,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, I think, but maybe that's what it is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, now you're saying that, like that was the
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  Speaker 1: car that you aspired to when you were sixteen and
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  Speaker 1: I was a few years older, but like eighteen is
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  Speaker 1: when I first came in contact with the Camel Trophy.
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  Speaker 1: And I just remember being completely wide eyed, and what's
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  Speaker 1: the car that I'm driving? Is a Defender. It's the
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  Speaker 1: vehicle that I guess maybe connects in with that first
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  Speaker 1: spark of the possibility of adventure. And I suspect that
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  Speaker 1: many that are listening have the same. And I know Marcos,
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  Speaker 1: who I have the Defender with, it's the same for him.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's the car that he looks back at
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  Speaker 1: and is realizing, like that was this aspiration.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'll get people. You know, I've become very
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  Speaker 2: particular with modifications on cars.
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  Speaker 1: Well, like with the Super Duty. That's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So I have this. I have this seven three two thousand,
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  Speaker 2: f two fifty Bruce Dorn that is twenty two years old.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty three years old. Now, yeah, it's crazy. Bruce Dorn
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  Speaker 2: bought it new. You can listen to his interviews. He's
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  Speaker 2: a dear friend of both of ours. And I grew
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  Speaker 2: up racing little sprint cars and go karts and that
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuff and traveled all over the country with
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  Speaker 2: my dad. Now he had an excursion but and I
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  Speaker 2: remember sitting in the front seat. There's no difference, no difference.
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  Speaker 2: So I remember like putting my feet like in the
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  Speaker 2: little the little dip of the door by the mirror,
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  Speaker 2: and my earth Rummer has it's a twenty eleven but same,
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  Speaker 2: you know, really it's the same body style. Sure there
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: were updates to it, but it's so like important to me.
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  Speaker 2: It is the feeling that I get in this seventh three.
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  Speaker 2: It has to be correct. Now. The only thing that
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  Speaker 2: I haven't abided by is is he had like a
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  Speaker 2: little car play head unit in there. Yeah, I've kept
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  Speaker 2: that in there, so you know, I'm not It's it's
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  Speaker 2: not one hundred percent of all the mode.
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  Speaker 1: But you tell your you tell your race car with it.
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  Speaker 1: You got long Yeah, it's practical. Yeah, you have hours
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  Speaker 1: on the road. You need to be able to conduct
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  Speaker 1: phone calls.
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  Speaker 2: It's got the shieldman seats, which I know are a
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  Speaker 2: newer thing in the US since Toby started importing them.
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  Speaker 2: But they're very era appropriate for that car totally. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I put an airb bumper on, like the deluxe bumper. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I love the way that like anything else on
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  Speaker 2: that on that car to me just looks wrong. It's
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  Speaker 2: got the Ford Australia snorkele. You know. I found these
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  Speaker 2: new old stock IPF lights and the name of them
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  Speaker 2: model is escaping me. But they actually have like a
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  Speaker 2: high and a low setting and they're massive. They're like
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  Speaker 2: nine inches sure, but they have like the plastic grills.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're perfect for the car. As I
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  Speaker 2: go through this everything that I'm kind of doing that
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to keep it in period, you know. I
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  Speaker 2: think I think it just goes back to kind of
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  Speaker 2: things being fit for purpose and thinking of the era
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  Speaker 2: that the vehicle was. You know, the two thousands are
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  Speaker 2: a little a little weird, you know, they're they're kind
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  Speaker 2: of considered these young timer collector cars. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: think that like the seven three is a collector car.
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  Speaker 2: I would say it is, but it's you know, like
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  Speaker 2: there's my dad's seven three Super Duty, but his is
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  Speaker 2: like it is is totally stocked. It is totally it's
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  Speaker 2: actually way cooler because it's totally It's like you either
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  Speaker 2: have to have things totally stock when it gets old,
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  Speaker 2: or it has to be modified in the correct way. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you if anything else, Yeah, it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of I don't know, it's not it's not my style,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think that.
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  Speaker 1: And my dad bought that brand new in nineteen ninety nine.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there's exceptions to the rule. Let's
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: think of like Jonathan Ward with the Icon Fjays. They
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: have led lights and the you know, more modern wheels
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: and brakes and interiors, but it's it's considered as an
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: entire package, oh for sure. And he's a designer. He's
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: doing it right.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: And that's what he's trying. It's what he's trying to achieve.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Whereas you can tell when you look at some of
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: these Defenders, it's trying to make the car something it's not. Yeah,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: and these are old vehicles.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Well, and there's just so many like Defenders that come
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: out of the UK that it's just like how much
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: money can we sell this for in America? You know,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: it's it's a challenge to keep things esthetically correct. Yeah,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: but like when in doubt, just don't do it.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Don't do anything. And I think I think that's maybe
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: the lesson in a lot of this classic kit is that,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've got some things here on the table,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: like we have a sun compass from World War Two.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: It took me years and years and years to finally
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: find one. But the idea that with a great deal
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: of precision, people were soldiers in northern Africa were navigating
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: using just the sun. And this is a lost art,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: but there's some joy in finding there's some joy in
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: finding these things and doing that. You know, the pith
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: helmet is probably questionable, but you know, even on the
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: other side of it for those on YouTube. But this
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: is a Michelin map. Now, maps are great. Michelin maps
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: have been around for a very long time, and they've
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: been considered the standard for international travel for a very
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: long time, you know. And you're looking at the northeast
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: of Africa, which just happens to be a place that
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I'm actively planning my route as I moved through Africa.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: But I can see, you know, here's Kenya, here's Ethiopia, Yemen,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Oman And to spread this map out on the table
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: and see it in its entirety is so different than
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: trying to look at a map on a small screen
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: on our phone. We lose that context. Yeah, and there's
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: something so joyful about doing it with an old map
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: or in this case, this map is quite old, but
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: it's a map, it's a paper.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Map, and it's like the tech. We know that the
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: technology is there now. I mean, I think, like, let's
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: go back five years ago. I think that's probably like,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: you know, the bottom for paper maps, Like why would
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: you use it? There's this great new technology. Well, now
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: we've op to the technology, and it's okay to go
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: back because you can have both. Of course, very easy
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: to have a good idea to both. I keep, you know,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: my daydream lately as I you know, and this isn't
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: necessarily an overland you know trip, but I have this
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: sixty eight short wheelbase nine to eleven that's nearly done
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: at auto works. It's a chop down and Scottsdale that
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: does kind of high end European stuff. It's it's nearly done,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: and I want to just take off in this thing.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: But I want to leave my phone or you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: get a dumb phone like you have and stick it somewhere.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: If I break down because it's an old car or whatever,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: which is like you have have kind of everything, be
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: like in the period and go somewhere remote and enjoy
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: it and like totally disconnect. Like that's I think. I like,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I talk to a lot of people these days, and
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: it's this idea of travel as the disconnect that is huge.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: And what better way than to kind of, you know,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: surround yourself with that correct stuff, that correct era because
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: you you kind of have to be in it. You know,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: you have to be in the defender that doesn't have
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: the big you know, the big added sat nav and
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: radio and all this kind of stuff.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: It's been it's been so interesting since I started using
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: the dumb phone because I don't have any maps anymore.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: So now I'm looking up where I'm wanting to go,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: and I'm having to put you know, put it to
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: memory and then really pay attention to where I'm at,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: like when I go hiking. Now I I'm really having
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: to pay attention to where I'm making turns and everything
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: else like that. And I I'm beginning to really like it.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: And and and it's again we're not this isn't travel advice.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: It's more just maybe it's a thought exercise of we're
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: things better a long time ago in some ways, and
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: are they better now? Let's find the best of both,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Like let's let's appreciate that technology has come about, and
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: that we we have advancements in medicine and things like that,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: we have antibio, we have things like that that do
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: make our life so much better. But there are also
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: things that are really interesting about thirty forty fifty years ago. Overlanding.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's some I brought some books too, but
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: this is actually a book called Overlanding by John Steele Gordon.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: And so many people think that overlanding is this new thing,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and I've been doing it for twenty years and I'm
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: in my infancy of knowledge and my business when it
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: comes to overlanding infancy because this book was written in
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, and you think about the first overland
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: trip was done in the late eighteen hundreds by in
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: a Mercedes Benz. But in this book, this is so fun,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: so nineteen seventy five, and he talks about what overlanding is.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: He says overlanding is the land lover's equivalent of sailing,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the long, slow crossing of large areas of the world,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and it's not any different than it is.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I've ever heard it put that way, but I love
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: it exactly how I feel it is.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And that's what we're talking about, is this long, slow
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: journey of discovery. And if we can peel away some
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: of these things that distract us and insulate us, then
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: maybe we'll have a different experience. Not necessarily better, but
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I think it's an experience that we want. I mean,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I think about what you just talked about with your Porsche.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: If you just brought along a spot just in case
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: an emergency happened, but you had no other way of communicating,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: and the vehicle had an issue, you would break out
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: your toolkit and you would spend some time trying to
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: resolve it. And if it didn't work, you'd have to
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: flag down another motorist just like you'd have to do.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: You'd have to reach out, you have to connect in
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: with the world around you to try to solve problems
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: or hitch a ride into town to go get a
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: part or whatever. And is that such a bad thing
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: to be able to have those experiences.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, let's put it in like an overland or
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: a four wheel drive context, right, I think the idea
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: of the spot is a great idea to have to
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: have some way of communicating.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: And that would be like if you had an accident,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah I did. There's no reason to die.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, there's no reason engaging something to take it,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: but don't take it that seriously. And also like people
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: don't really like stop these days because they just assume
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: that you have a cell phone and you're going to
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: call play, you're going to you know, the world has changed.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: It's not to say that the world isn't still a
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: friendly place, it's just the world's changed. Sure. Like one
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: of the first things that you taught me was, you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: you can look at for wealle driving like a chess game, right, Like,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: don't you don't have to continually change the game. You
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: can kind of change the player. And to me that meant,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: you know, like I remember having that that terrible jeep
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: on like thirty sevens and it was just so easy
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: to do like the trails that you know, generally, like
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: the overland trails that we were doing. And then I
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: went and I got this series two, a one oh
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: nine land Rover, and I learned so much because even.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Then I remember a lot more smiles in that car. Oh,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: because it was just and I still look I yeah, yeah,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: we got to find Ralph somewhere somewhere.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Although I think I think I've closed the Landloard chapter life.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: It was a good chapter.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: But sometimes we need sometimes we need boundaries.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I look back on that, and you know,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: let's just for the exercise of this, say it's in
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a Toyota. Now, the little obstacles that you encounter on
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: for service roads and the things that you're typically traveling
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: overland are just you don't even you don't even put
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the vehicle on four wheel drive anymore. You generally don't
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: even recognize that they're there because you have ten inches
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: of wheel travel, or you have a big tire, huge
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: huge tires. I mean like cars coming with thirty fives,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: and the first thing people ask is how can I
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: fit thirty sevens? Now it comes with thirty sevens? How
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: can I fit forties? A thirty inch tire used to
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: be like not that long ago, used to be like
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a large tire like that was an appropriate tire.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: That's what wranglers came with. Yeah, it was thirties. And
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: now they come with from the factory with thirty fives
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: if you want them.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So the idea that again you're just you're a
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: little bit more immersive on the trail. The things that
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: oh hey, yeah, that that that climb? What climb is
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: what you're going to ask in a modern vehicle where
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: the trash control just kicks on. And these cars have
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: had that stuff for so long now that you don't
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: recognize it. But when you get in a skinny tire
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: forty Series or a Series land Rover.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: The manual transmission, when leaf springs, that maybe a carburetor
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that's spurt, you know, sputtering.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's getting hot on the climb, and it's maybe
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: a little bit of vapor lock. It's not running right.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Everything becomes harder. And you haven't changed the game of
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: four wheel driving, right, You've changed a player, sure. And
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I think that's something that I've come to appreciate more
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: and more is that it's too damn easy now.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: And there's some great examples of that. I know, I
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: don't I don't know if it's still going on, But
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Kurt Williams and a bunch of guys in Utah did
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: this trip called the Relicuy. Yeah, and I think everything
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: had to be nineteen eighty ish or older, and they
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: really encouraged I mean, it wasn't a requirement that they
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: encouraged people to have a paper map, don't bring your
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: cell phone, bring all your tools, you know, find the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: old Coleman stove. Yeah, out of your grandpa's garage. And
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: they worked really hard on making as much of it
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: as possible in the kind of the old school way.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: And these guys had so much fun. I mean, it
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: was it was a trip that I had in my
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: top three for a very long time.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I wanted to go on that.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I hope they still do it, or maybe
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: they'll bring it back. Maybe somebody can reach out and
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: let us know if that's something that's still happening. But
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I just loved the fact that they embraced it and
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: in every photograph somebody was grinning or laughing. Yeah, because
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: it had to have been pure mayhem. Well and like
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: stuff breaking down and you know, people getting stuck, and.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: We go back to this element of escapism. Yeah, I
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: think most people in this space are kind of seeking,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: you know, why else drive why drive to the absolute
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: middle of nowhere, hours down on dirt road to get
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: as far away from you know, civilization to really just
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: bring it with you. Yeah, you know, and that's okay too.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I mean I think again, like we're trying to we're
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: trying to say maybe maybe think about and like one
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: of the things that I'll do when I go camping
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: with the Defender is and I can see it up
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: on the shelf behind you, but I've got my grandpa's bedroll, Yeah,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: and it's just like it allows me to also kind
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: of connect in with my grandpa. Yeah, And I've got
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff from my dad, and it just
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: gives me that opportunity to kind of reconnect with that
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and disconnect from our busy lives and all of the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: onslaught of technology that we've got.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: And again, this isn't I'm going to repeat this as
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: not necessarily shouldn't be taken as gospel or as as
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: travel advice for most overland trips, Like sometimes you need
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: starlink because you got to earn an income. Oh yeah,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: for sure while you're on the for sure road and traveling.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: But then we all also see these great examples of
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: people doing the opposite, which is like the go wing
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Mercedes that came through Prescott and they're going pretty much
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: around the world in this extremely rare classic car, which
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: is just like props to that guy for like not
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: caring that it's a half a million dollar I don't
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: even know if that's correct anymore, a very expensive car,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: double or triple that. Yeah, so okay, so like put
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: that into context, or like the guys that we know
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: from the London taxi trip, like this is an old
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: school London taxi that they decided to drive around the
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: world and they did well.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I guess we're starting to see it, you know, more
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: on the car side, is again this this kind of
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: period correct thing. The period of Peking rally is coming.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: There's actually an entire series of like vintage car rallies.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: They're not really saying you have to dress in period
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: or you know, don't carry a phone or anything like that,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: but you're you're you're immersing yourself in a very particular experience.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Analog an analog experience. Yeah, and when you said you
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: when you went to Goodwood that even a lot of
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: people who attended dressed in period.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Over over fifty percent, like to the point where if
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: you didn't make an effort, I'm not saying that you
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: were shunned. Or you got that kind of passive aggressive English,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: yeah kind of thing going on, right, you know, Like
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: how cool is that?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I mean the fact that people would show up with
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a tie and a jet and a coat. Yeah, and
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: that's there's something about that special.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Day dream thing and it is just kind of a
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: day dream, you know, like that that was definitely a
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: special event to go to, you know, and everybody, everybody
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: is in it, you know, and even the tires are
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: made by Dunlop to the correct specifications of the car
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: sliding through the turns. Yeah. Just because you can make
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: something better doesn't mean maybe that you should. Yeah.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Well, so I like the idea of if you've got
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: a classic vehicle. I mean we've talked about this a
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: little bit before, but another great example of this is
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: like Jonathan Hansen's FJ forty. He got that car in
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: the early nineteen seven and he has kept it like
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: pretty much period appropriate in the modifications, and I remember
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: how intentional he was about that. But the fact that
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: he has had that car for that long and it
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: has to be worth five times more than what he
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: paid for it, and he got to enjoy a vehicle
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: that at every single stage was cool.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: And that's the perfect example is let's take the FJA
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: forty that somebody bought in the seventies. So then it
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: you know, first it became cool to cut the fenders. Yeah,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: same with like Broncos. Cut funder cars now really not
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: super desirable practical. Can you fit larger tires, yes, But
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the moment you see one that has cut fenders, it
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: just has a different look. Yeah. Then people started putting
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: diamond played on him because that was the style, because
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: it was more rough, it was cool. Or they had
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: rust that they had to cover up. Yeah, or yeah,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: or or I mean sometimes that was the case. Sometimes
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the rust came after because them crud got stuck between
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: the two. You know, it kind of certainly made it worse. Yeah,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: And in granted, there's people that use these vehicles as
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: recreational toys that were rock crawling and doing these things,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: and yeah, okay, you know you're not. It's maybe a
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: different thing. You start to paint a picture. Then they
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: put the three fifty in because it's better performance, and
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: then you know, then they put some different axles under it,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: or you know, then they did a spring over and
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: then they put thirty fives and they're trying to make
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the car more modern to keep up, and they missed
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: the entire point of the car. Yeah, that's I think
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: that's really the lesson is that the stock FJ forty,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: the stock little Bronco with the Yeah, the tires are
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: totally you know, stuck into the wheels and these tiny
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: little tires. That is when you see that car in town.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: You look at that car, when you see the Bronco
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: that's on thirty fives with a like what a small
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: block Chevy. And I mean even though they're a Ford
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: and it's got these huge tires and the crager wheels
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: and all this kind of stuff, it's definitely not as cool. No,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, some of that stuff is period correct, but
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: there's also I think a way to do it and
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: a way to not do it. You know, you have
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Big Ali that's the famous you know race Bronco that
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: has all the right stuff because that's how it was
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: actually done.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Then there's Kin and then it was all so raced, yeah,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: which is legitimate.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Raced and actually like used like you know, acquaintances with
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the guy that owns that, Philip Seraphim, and he uses it, yeah,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: like he's rolled it. Yeah, and how could you roll
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: a car like that? And it's like, well, you're it's
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: a race car. You'd get made fun of if you
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: didn't use it, and then when you do use it
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: the same Well, you can never make you can never
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: make it. You've never had people happy, that's for sure. Yeah,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: it's it's an interesting.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: So what are some what are some other things? I mean,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: we are sitting in British campaign chairs, which you know,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: British campaigns have to be taken in their full context,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: including all of the horrific things that occurred during those campaigns.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: But one is yes, that's right. The furniture was one
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: of the one of the positive The furniture was one
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: of the positive things that came out of it. But
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: how fun is that? I mean, I have had I've
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: had these chairs since I think two thousand and seven
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: or two thousand and eight, and they still look as
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: good as the day that we got them. And I'm
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: not suggesting people go buy campaign furniture for overlanding, but
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: there's just something that's kind of fun about having them
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: in the office, and we do. We've got the pith
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: helmet hanging from the tree, and we've got some old
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Explorers gloves that Ray Hyland found somewhere on eBay. And
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I do have a lot of those analog things in
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: my life because I do. I do like it. I
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: do like it. I just think it's fun. Yeah, that's
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: what life's supposed to be. Is it's supposed to be fun.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: And I wonder, like, I mean, I have a bag
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: here that I just got recently from Melville and Moon,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and you know, it's a brand new bag, but it
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: looks like it could be from any period, including one
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: hundred years ago. The reality is that a bag like
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: this I can give to my nephews. Yeah, it's the
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Bible at some point in time. It's a very classic design.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: It it like, yes, there are more modern messenger bags
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that probably do some things better, but they're going to
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: look dated. Like if you look at some of the
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: messenger bags from even six years ago, it's like, oh
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: that's that's an old bag.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Or you know, the idea of this like very kind
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: of technical product now it has its has its places, right,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: but like I pull it out the other day and
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: it's only a couple of years old, and I'm like,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: like the style is just like, you know, it looks dated. Prairie.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: It looks dated, right, and we talk about I mean
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: even guys have fast fashion, right, you can tell like
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: that that's no longer cool.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's like the Swiss gear backpacks that
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: like every dad that works in sales and flies a
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: lot has, Sorry dad.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: No, but you can you can tell whereas And again,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: it's not to say that there's some advantage to this,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: to this Melville moon bag other than the fact that
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: it will last a long time and it will look neutral.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: In its design, right it is. It's not trying to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: be a ninja backpack that ten different things pull out of,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: because as soon as the thing that you're meant to
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: put in that very specific pocket changes, it just becomes
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: a very temporary item, even if it's a good, you know,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: quality manufacturer. I don't know. I mean I think that
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: there's just something too again, something that I think we've
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: always kind of talked about us buy once, cry once. Now,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that you have to like buy things
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: exclusively to look like they're from the nineteen sixties or
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: earlier or whatever.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Unless you like, unless you like that, but it like
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: maybe think about the fact is would you enjoy something
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: that's more classic.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I have a barber jacket that I've had
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: for probably fifteen years now, yeah, that's a long time.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: They still sell it, Like, I'll have that for another
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: fifteen or twenty years. I'm going to have a lot
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: of jackets that are that kind of fast fashion thing
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: that goes through. But that's still the jacket that I
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: grab when it's you know, pissing down rain outside all
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: three times that that happens in Prescott.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: But yeah, when I when I hop on the motogoozy,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I throw on a barber jacket.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's the same jacket that I've had, and
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: it's weathered and dusty and like sun faded. It's of course, yeah,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: so of course, And it's just it doesn't need and
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: it's probably it's probably not the best choice just from
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: a safety standpoint, but it's a it's a fifty something
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: horsepower motorcycle. I'm not going that fast. Like it's fine.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: It's again, it's period correct, period correct gear, a bell
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: helmet and a barber jacket and an old school air
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: cool motogoozy.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: It all works together. It works. And again, you know
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: the idea that we're kind of talking about again. Isn't
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: this is what you should do to drive around the world.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: We're talking about it more from a lifestyle element of
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: it's just kind of fun and enjoyable in it, and
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: it makes escape.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: It makes it fun for you and I at least,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have always enjoyed that thing. In fact,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: we're gonna find this picture. But Matt was on the
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: cover of Overland Journal with Kelsey Huber and a couple others.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was just you two.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: I think it was us. Yeah, yeah, you.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Guys had we had a series land Over that we
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: got from land Rover, and you and.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Kelsey had to hold the gun because I didn't really
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: she knew how to shoot it.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I was from I'm from Chicago. We didn't really have
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: that there, so she was holding the gun. There was
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: some campaign furniture and there we'll find that. I think
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: chairs it was.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: We've enjoyed this stuff. It is a lot of fun
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: and it is fun to reminisce about. One of the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: things that I was hoping that we could do is
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: kind of call on our audience if anyone is traveling
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: in that way, or if anybody is still driving that
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: FJ forty from nineteen seventy two that they bought from
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: their dad or the dad gave them when they graduated
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: from high school. I'd love to see it and we
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: will repost it. You know, you can reach me Scott
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: dot a dot Brady on Instagram and Matt's Matt Explorer.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: But you can reach out.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I'd love to see some photos of your old school stuff,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: your old school cool stuff, because I suspect that we're
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: not alone in that appreciation of canvas and leather. For us,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: it's canvas and leather and pith helmets. And that's the
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: same pith helmet I think you were wearing in that
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: photo too.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: It probably seeing it lasted a long time, it has
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: aged better than me, it has.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: What else you got, Matt? Any other ideas? You think
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: we kind of talked through that period correct vehicle stuff too.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I think that we've kind of talked through it. I mean,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I think my advice is just, you know, recognize the
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: era of the vehicle that you're modifying. Yeah, and I
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: think that you can have a lot of fun with it. Yea.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: And a lot of times these hearts are really cheap,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: you know. I found these IPF lights for like fifty
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: bucks on eBay and they're essentially brand new. Yeah. What
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: does a set of quality spotlights cost these days? Yeah,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I mean like twelve hundred bucks, fourteen hundred bucks. Yeah, yeah,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: you know it. And it allows you to kind of
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: have fun with these projects, like we're gonna we're going
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: to do some some interesting restaurant things for example, to
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: the Super Duty, but you know it's gonna get a
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: coil conversion and some more modern axles so it'll actually
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: steer steer, But you know, aesthetically, the goal, you know,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: keep it, keep it in its period, because I think
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: you'll find whenever you take an older car and you're
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: trying to make it look new, you're just always reaching,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Like it wasn't that long ago that people would try
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: and put a different grill on this truck to make
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: it look like the next generation. And I think people
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: get tired of their vehicles more quickly that way. I
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: think the closer you keep it to stock, or the
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: closer you keep it to being vintage or whatever, the
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: more likely you are going to want to hold on
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: to it. But if you're constantly chased, eventually these vehicles
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: no longer look right. And then fairly short order. If
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: you try to keep them looking modern, you know, they
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: just end up. It's like the you know, the Bronco analogy.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Eventually it just becomes this shell of what used to
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: be a Bronco with a bunch of other stuff on it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: And stinger. A stinger on a CJ seven never looks good, no,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: no matter the period.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Don't put led lights on your CJ seven like, let
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: it be, let it be, but but like you know, flawed.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: But maybe maybe the upgrade is that you put some
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: cool H one lights on it and you get like
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: the little the little mesh wire you know, chip cover. Yeah,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: and that's the period modification that things would have the
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: way I totally had those on my C seven.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I had the Hella H four, you know, replacement head
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: lamps with the little rock guards on them.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Totally super cool, totally and and fun and and comparatively
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: these days, you know, classic cars are not cheap historically,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: you know, and this isn't investment advice, but they have
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: generally gone up in value because there's again so many
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: people that cut the fenders out and put all the
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: crap on them that they're you know, there's there's fewer
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: and fewer of them every day. So if you have
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: something that is original and you know, has the few
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: period correct modifications, it's probably not going to be something
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: you're going to lose your ass on.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of insights into that, and it's
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: part of a good diversification of your portfolio. So I mean,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: again not financial advice, but there has been a significant
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: trend towards things and that you can access these things
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: at any at any income level. You can buy an
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: old saiko for a couple hundred dollars, that can be
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that can continue to go up in value because they're
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: not going to make that saiko again it's old, yeah,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: so it's from nineteen sixty eight or whatever, and they
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: can go all the way up to the you know,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the one point five million dollar goal wing and everything
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: and everything in between. So there it is a way
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: to engage with some of these things in a really
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: fun way where it's also not going to go down
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: in value.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do I do actually want to maybe
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: do a podcast with my buddy Eli and like collectible
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: four wheel drives because I you know, I kind of
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: have this theory that cars are have become such a
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: collectible asset. But four wheel drives really aren't appreciated in
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the same way. Yeah, you know, and they're by comparison,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: they're super cheap. Like what would what would be like
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: the highest water mark of a classic four will drive.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: It would have to be like an FJ forty or
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: it would have to be I'm trying to think a
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: defend really early the price of a four wheel drive
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: that I'm aware of, classic collectible with racing and heritage
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: and provenances. Big Ali that Philips Serfin bought. You know,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: it's a one of one, but that's a one of
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: one thing. I mean that was over a million dollars.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: But like a classic Bronco, like a real Bronco, you're
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: probably looking I think thirty grand, forty grand.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I think maybe a little bit more than that. Not
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: restoring and that's clean. Well, you know, stuff that isn't
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: restored can oftentimes will not oftentimes generally speaking, as worth
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: more than it's only original once. Sure, right, So you're
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: talking about like a survivor car, a survivor car like
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: the Holy Grail. For me, if I was looking for
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: something would be I guess the problem with wooral drives
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: is they generally made a lot of these things, and
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: scarcity drives prices. Sure, scarcity and rarity. I mean, imagine
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: finding a very original ten thousand mile FJ forty geez.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I mean that would be that would be worth a
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: lot of money. A lot of times these vehicles this
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: weren't ever in the consideration set of something to preserve.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: You know, let's compare it to a Porsche or better yet,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: a Ferrari. People have always known that Ferraris would be special,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: so people have always taken care of them in such
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: a way to preserve them. Were four wheel drives, particularly
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: in their golden era forties, fifties, sixties, seventies. They were utility,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: they were tools. That's what makes the original stuff, you know,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: very desirable, but.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: It's also I think pretty I mean if you compare it,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: like if you were to compare like the barn Find
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: FJ forty to a Ferrari fifty, Like it's like, like
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: the barn Find FJ forty could you could probably get
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: it for seventy eighty ninety grand.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Now the two thirty has production numbers. I think there's
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: about between fifty and eighty of those made, fifty to
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: one hundred of those made. We don't even know if
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: there's actually a way to accurately value those cars, right
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: because generally speaking, they're all owned by people of which
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: they don't need to see. Is it's not an object?
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Are they called dead guy cars? Dead guy cars? Yeah?
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: So the only way you get when is somebody has
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: to die.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: So when your family, when you are a billionaire car
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: collector and you have a two to fifty gto you're
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: at the top of the game, and what do you
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: sell it for? Yeah, you know, so what would you
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: replace it with? Those cars are generally valued somewhere between,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: you know, depending on a condition, provedance, whatever. There's been
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: rumors of those things selling and excess of one hundred
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: million dollars sure like the Mercedes slul and how I
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: believe sold for one hundred and forty in the hundred
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: and forties out of the Mercedes Fans Museum. I believe
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: they actually donated the money as well. Cars are cars
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: are starting to become art and as we rapidly transition,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: I believe, as we rapidly transition to electric cars. I
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: know that there's varying opinions, but I have to say
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: that that Tesla I bought just makes me believe that
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: even more, Like it's as transport a wonderful car. It's
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: not the most exciting thing I've ever owned, But these
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: vehicles will become more and more scarce. And you know,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: if I was a collector looking at four wheel drives,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I would be trying to find the things that are unique.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: You know, for example, like I'm really bullish on my
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: aev LJ. There's a handful of them really left that
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: again where a lot of them were bought to be used,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: there's very few of them that have thirteen thousand miles
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: on not a scratch on them, and literally every new
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: then you know that you could get done. I'm really
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: interested in that kind of stuff, stuff that reflects a
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: period of change. Av is a big change in the industry.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Was that kind of that disrupting force, it was, for sure,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: it was really cool. I would be looking at barn findes.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I would be looking at stuff that as an original
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: as possible. Look at like the FJ forties. They spiked
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: in value. Let's call it two thy twelve to twenty fifteen.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: They went through the roof, and then Venezuela and Colombia
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: heard about it. Yeah, and the value we've got those.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: The value of a of a very well restored FJ
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: forty went from fetching one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: at auction to maybe seventy five because the supply was
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: just so much. So again I go back to originality
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: that time capsule vehicle, because it's only original once. Sure,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: it's only correct once. Sure everything else can almost in
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: perpetuity be rebuilt. You're just talking about the cost of
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: labor and whatever. I think the old land Rover stuff
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: is great. I think you know of the means. I
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: think the honestly, like the Lamborghini LMS zero two is
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: very Oh god, I saw one in Scottsdale a couple
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: of weeks ago that had the entire Smitty built catalog
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: thrown at it, and I'm like, no, why would you
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: do that?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, even the tires on that car were
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: so they were very specifically made for them.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: They even had these little scallops on the shoulder to
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: help scoop sand. Yeah.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: It was amazing, cool, amazable. I think NAS Spec Defender
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: one tens yeah, and NAS Spec Defender nineties, particularly the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: one tens, will always have a five hundred of them
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: and how many your left. So again you're you're starting
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: to talk about scarcity within what is overall and non
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: scarce market, you know that stuff. If I could sock
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: one of those away, that would be quite cool. And
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: that's where you get into the the idea of this
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: kind of period correct thing that to me, the perfect
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: defenders John Lee's of course exhibition Exchange defender the right
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: modifications to it. Yeah, I think that that will be
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: very desirable.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like even the like even then the Expedition Exchange
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: when when they had their moment, you know, early on
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: in overlanding, like all of those modifications we all know
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: them still, like the like the two meter antenna that
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: would come up.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: And got on stuff like that. You know, it's it's
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: the snow peak to write snowpeak stuff, write whatever. I
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: think that it was legit, it worked, Like the Truk
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Edition land rovers, Yeah, will be desirable. I think the
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: problem is again they kind of fall into this territory
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: of there's a stigma against preserving four wheel drives and
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of those things they became so cheap. You know,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: we're talking a lot of these truck things that were
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: some years of eight of them built something like that,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: like very rare. Card. I think of the experience I
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: was able to have getting that you know, truck from
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: land River that delivered with like five hundred miles on
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: it it did you know? No, that's still low mile
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: and floating around. But yeah, it's still being used by
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: land Rover. Yeah, which is awesome and I think that
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's great to keep these vehicles going. Yeah,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: the key is just preserving them. And the first time
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I saw that car was in mob on New Jersey
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: and was working for land Rover and it just had
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: a tarp and tire sitting on it. Yeah. But everything
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: goes through that right where it's desirable when it's new,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: somebody stashes it away, it becomes less desirable, becomes forgotten about,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: and the next thing, you know, like original land Rovers, Like,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: how many original series land Rovers are there? Yeah?
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Not many, not many, certainly not in North America. Well
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: that was fun. Yeah, so send us your classic vehicles.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Send us, Like, if you've done a trip in a
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: classic fool Drive, I'd love to hear about it. It
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: just we geek out on this stuff. So again, not
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: travel advice, but super fun. Makes me smile, makes me smile,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: makes me laugh, just like just remembering you driving that
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Ralph around the old series land Rover, just like the
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: terror in your eyes.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I remember. I remember the way the master cylinder was down.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: There'd be a bubble and it so if you wanted
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: the brakestork, you had to pump it three or four times.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: That's when I remember the terror in your eye. It
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: was like failed, He'll climb tire away in the air,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and Matt's eyes were like saucer, like am I going
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: to die?
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I remember my like left no, it would have been
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: my left leg, just like like trying to keep them
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: break pressure totally.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: So these things make us laugh. They're fun, and we
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: thank you all for listening, and we'll talk to you
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: next time.