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Escaped Convict vs. Beer Empire: The Abduction of Adolf Coors III · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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Later that morning as a milkman out on deliveries approached the bridge, he realized that his path was blocked by an international travel all station wagon.
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Pretty fancy vehicle, but the milkman had places to be. People to see, milk to deliver.
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Gotta get that milk.
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That's right, so he honestly found this kind of annoying. Yeah. Yeah, he's like, um, this is like a one lane bridge.
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So...
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He honked, but the vehicle appeared to be abandoned.
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Hi Cassie.
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Hi Caitlyn.
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Hi creepy people.
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Hello!
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This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, spooky things, we're heading into spooky season!
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We are there!
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And just generally all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest. PNW, if you're nasty.
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And you are the nastiest, you know, we didn't say that last episode, we forgot.
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Yeah.
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So bad. It sounded me forget things.
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It is really sad. It is really sad.
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It happens on the daily.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm forgetting things all the time.
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You know what we never forget?
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What? To do a tarot reading at the end of the episode, which we do in every episode?
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For just a little deeper insight into our topic. For the list? So true.
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So true.
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How could you forget tarot?
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I just, I don't even know. I can't fathom.
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You can't forget.
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No.
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Never forget.
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Yes.
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It's a sad thing.
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Oh man. Yeah, please don't hashtag anything that you're tagging us in with never forget.
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Yeah, I feel like that's probably a very different audience.
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A little problematic.
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Potentially.
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I'm just saying I think that probably those, it's just a different demographic possibly.
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Yeah.
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Kind of the misuse of that term is problematic.
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So we never said it.
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Never happens.
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Yeah.
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We cut it out of the set of soon and it's gone.
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Anyway.
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You know what I want to forget?
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Probably what you're about to talk about.
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Oh yeah, no, definitely.
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So about that.
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So let it rip so that I can forget.
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Does that kind of rhyme?
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Yeah.
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There you go.
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I like it.
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Well, we ended up going to October fest down in Bend.
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And you're not even going to believe how unintentionally perfect the two cases that I've been working on kind of worked out to be.
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Oh, for heading into spooky season.
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Oh, okay.
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I thought you were saying something October festy.
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Yes.
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Oh, it is.
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It's actually it's the perfect marriage and the timing couldn't have been better.
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So I guess.
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No, I'm not going to say thank you, COVID.
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Yeah, don't do that.
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But yeah, no, the timing is perfect because this is I think going to be our first episode for October.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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Starting it off right.
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But we went to October fest at the McMenamins down in Bend.
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And I was like, oh, this is going to probably come out around that same time.
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Sweet.
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Weird.
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It's oddly appropriate.
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Okay.
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Today, I'm going to tell you about a disappearance that took place in the 1960s.
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Okay.
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Which is probably going to make these next few paragraphs seem kind of confusing.
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But I mean, you know, you just might want some of this background as we venture down the rabbit hole.
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I want all the background.
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Yeah.
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You know, how we love strange things about history and true crime and, of course, synchronicities.
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Yeah.
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Adolph Herrman Kohrs.
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Okay.
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He scared me for like a second.
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Yeah, it's funny because I'm going to address that shortly.
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Okay.
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Adolph Herrman Kohrs was born in Germany in 1847.
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Wow.
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Yes.
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That's a long time before the 60s.
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Sure.
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Sure was.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to reference the most common spelling I was able to find because it's significant
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in regards to this man's name for more than one reason as fate would have it.
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So the complete spelling of his full name, Adol L P H.
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Okay.
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So different spelling of Adolph.
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Herrman - which always comes out a little bit more French or anyways, H E R R M A N.
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I think that's how the other guy with that name spelled it too unfortunate, but what are
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you going to do?
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Common German names.
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K O H R S.
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Okay.
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That makes sense for German.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Remember the spelling, okay.
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Significant.
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And not just because of the other Adolf.
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At just 15, he began work as an apprentice at a brewery in Germany.
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Ooh.
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That would be really cool.
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I know.
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Good German brewer.
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Dream internship.
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There he learned how to make beer, run a brewery.
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Presumably how to compete in beer drinking competitions such as DAS BOOT.
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Yeah.
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The training is so intense.
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Intense.
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Sounds like really a pacific Northwest too with the brewery in the beer in the drinking.
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It does, right?
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It's very on brand for us.
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But as was the dream of many young people striving for more the world over, Adolph immigrated
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to the United States at age 21.
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Drinking age.
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Perfect.
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I know the US.
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The drinking age was like, can you reach the bar top?
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He stood away on a ship headed to Baltimore, Maryland.
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Somewhere along the way he decided to embrace his new life by changing his surname to Coors
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with a C.
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Ooh.
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Which we know was fairly common for many European immigrants at this time, particularly those
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coming from Germany because, you know, the spelling of German and for that matter, a lot
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of Irish names.
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Very...
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It was a dead giveaway.
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Immigrants weren't always super popular even though, what a really world.
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Anyways, before we get lost down that hole, he spoke very little English and didn't
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likely have a nickel to his name as he headed west.
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Much like Fievel.
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Is that like the mouse movie?
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Yeah, Fievel Goes West.
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For a second, I was like, oh God, I'm deeply embarrassed.
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She says I'm like such a dork.
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She doesn't know who Fievel is.
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You're still a dork and I do know who Fievel is.
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Whatever my friend Fievel and I are going to head out west.
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I don't know why, but I feel like that movie scared me.
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Yeah, I feel like I remember there may be scary parts.
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But like I like scary things.
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I don't know why.
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I don't know why that movie would have like scared me.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I have to rewatch it and then...
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Yeah.
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Maybe alarming realism.
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I don't know.
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Maybe.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I got that one.
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He was in search of new opportunities in a yet untamed land.
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He arrived in Denver, Colorado in 1872 where he worked multiple jobs.
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Nearly without rest, he basically worked like six days a week, forever and ever, amen.
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Oh, what's that like?
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I know.
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Weird.
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Yeah, I know.
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Weird.
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Saving money in the hopes of opening his very own brewery.
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Oh, I was going to say did he get to work at a brewery?
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So I mean, it's going to actually be better than that.
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It's going to be a lot better.
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In 1873, Adolph went into business with Jacob Schuller opening Golden Brewery.
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So he did one better than working at a brewery.
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Got some golden beer.
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Yeah.
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What are you saying about?
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I mean, aside from the name being Golden Brewery.
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It was Golden.
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I know, but...
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Oh, wait.
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Okay.
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By 1880, the company's name changed to course Golden Brewery, as Adolph bought out his business
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partner as the venture continued to flourish.
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Ooh, how much should he buy his partner out for?
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I don't know.
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Oh, I don't know.
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Not in the detail that's important to the story.
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It's important to me.
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It's not.
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No, give it up.
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It's hard to imagine, but these are the humble beginnings of the beer now reserved for
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the final rounds of beer pong.
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Or for day drinking floats down the river in inner tubes.
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Coors light, Coors, light.
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Isn't the same Coors?
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It is the same Coors.
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So did he start off with that spelling or did it evolve over time?
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So the original surname of the family was the K-O-H-R-S.
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And then he changed it to C-O-O-R-S when he came to America.
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Oh, okay.
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So you just said he changed it to a C.
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You didn't specify that.
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Yes.
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I know.
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Coors.
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I got Tricky on ya.
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I was going to ask you then.
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I was like, nah, show cover it.
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Yeah, she's going to cry on me.
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Ooh, okay.
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Adolph Coors.
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Adolph Coors.
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Adolph Coors.
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Coo.
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Coo.
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Coo.
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Coo.
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Coo.
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Coors dreamed of brewing the perfect beer.
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The backstory of this particular light-logger is far more flavorful than the modern day brew
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itself.
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So watery, it almost seems predestined to be pissed directly back into a body of water
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by drunk teens.
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Mm-hmm.
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Ah.
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It's hydrating.
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It's going to say memories, but I don't know.
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I don't know that it really has that many memories for me.
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I'll bring it out.
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I don't care.
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But I digress.
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I still got a little bit of background to go and some of it is actually serious.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Not too serious.
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Eventually, in 1879, the successful entrepreneur married and started a family.
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So young man, actually, pretty successful entrepreneur and I think that's kind of cool.
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I mean, it's unfortunately this stereotype of the American dream and pulling yourself
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up by the bootstraps, like, thinks a fucking lot for that.
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But this is like one of those, you know, it's old timey and like, ah, yeah, and beer and
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beer.
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Why didn't you get us cans of cures for today?
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I, yeah, I don't know.
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And is he doing some things?
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Drop in the ball.
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Drop in the beer.
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I could order us beer.
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Adolph and Louisa Weber-Coors, went on to have six children together.
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You might think that prohibition would have put the family business into a bit of a tight
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spot.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Apparently, not so though.
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The Coors company simply pivoted to other products, producing cement, porcelain and
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malted milk, whatever the fuck that is, instead of their delicious cold, brood beer.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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I feel like malted milk would be like oat milk, you know?
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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But I have no idea what it is.
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And it was the only little side tangent that I was like, I just, I literally don't care.
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I just think of like milk made from the grains from the malt.
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Yeah, maybe.
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So like oat milk.
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Like, yeah.
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I don't know.
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I'll Google it later.
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All right.
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Let me address the elephant in the room.
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Is he with me?
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No.
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The name Adolph probably doesn't have the most positive of connotations for most people.
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However, this particular man died in 1929.
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Just in case he was still confused, thinking that perhaps he was tied to that other Adolf in
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some way.
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His history can be so confusing.
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Also for reference, that other Adolf spelled his name with an F and had only relatively recently
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been released from prison.
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I get this is so wild.
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This is so wild.
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I think at one point I knew this and it was fully absorbed, but I had to kind of go back
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and do a little bit of like a history lesson.
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Okay.
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The other Adolph, the one that he who shall not be named, had only recently been released
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from prison just in time for his rise to power that everyone wishes they had a time machine
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for by the time this Adolf, our Adolph with the pH died.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Basically the timeline is 1929, he gets out of prison and then immediately is like, I am
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going to start shipping people off in trains and do all of the worst.
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Just that's my thing.
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Just wanted to be clear.
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There's no relation there.
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Okay.
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Good.
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Likes.
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Leaving the family business in the capable hands of his three sons, eventually what began
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as a passion for brewing turned the course family into.
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M-m-m-m-m millionaires.
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Hell yeah.
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Hell yeah.
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That's cool.
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That's a lot of money back then.
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Yeah.
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Y'all.
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What are they now?
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Trasillionaires?
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Oh, I don't know.
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They're part of that like class of wealth.
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It just feels like it shouldn't exist.
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Yeah.
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Adolph Jr. would go on to pass the business down again to his son.
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Adolph Herrman Joseph Coors III.
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Wow.
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Yeah, it's a lot of names.
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A lot of Adolphs.
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Yes.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, they kept going with that too.
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I'm going to say.
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You think it would.
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I think they got up to the fifth.
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Oh.
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And I'm like, hey guys.
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But did you hear?
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Yeah.
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That sucks though.
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Because it's like, it's not the name.
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It's a family name.
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It's not the same name.
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And it's not exactly.
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But like, of course, anyone's going to think automatically.
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Right.
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They're like, well, the pronunciation, my ears don't know how to spell.
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He went by ads.
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What?
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My ear started to spell.
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I was like, I was like, I don't know if I--
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It got me in the funny bone.
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Okay.
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Good.
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It was like a late reaction with those funny--
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I was like, what just happened?
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He went by ad rather than his whole name.
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Gina, what do I--
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He was the heir to the Coors brewing fortune
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based in Golden Colorado and grandson
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of the original owner, son of Adolph Coors's junior born
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January 15, 1915.
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He was educated at the finest schools,
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including Cornell, his father's alma mater.
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Wow.
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Oh, thanks.
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Yeah, I just made me think of Andy.
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Yes. Like--
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Hey, Tuna.
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His staggering list of exploits included
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serving as the Quill and Dagger Society President.
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An athletic tenure as a semi-pro baseball player.
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And joining Kappa Alpha as a frat member in his college days--
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of course he's a frat boy.
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Beer kind of makes sense.
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Actually, we're going to come back to that.
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Oh, because you're not even going to believe there's
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so many funny little factoids in this.
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Did he invent the beer bong?
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No.
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Don't hurt it.
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I know.
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If that guy gets murdered, we will cover it for sure.
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Does this guy get murdered?
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What?
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No.
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You spoiled the ending.
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I mean, did I, though?
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Ladies and gentlemen, I ask you.
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Did I, though?
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OK.
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It would be weird to join as a married man,
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because he joined a frat in college.
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We started chatting in between now and then,
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but I was going to say, because it would be weird to join a frat
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as a married man.
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It would be.
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In his later years.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So anyways, that was just like a fun little thought
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that I had when I was writing up the notes.
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Yeah.
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He joined in college, because that's when you do it.
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Yeah.
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Although they did make a Will Ferrell movie
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about that very premise in the early arts.
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Old school.
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Yeah.
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Also involved a lot of beer.
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Love that.
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Yeah.
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My boy, Blue.
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My boy, Blue.
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I'm going to die, baby.
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He met Mary or Cart Grant and the pair married in November
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of 1940 and had four children.
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He took over the company at 45 years old,
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which apparently was pretty young to be at the helm.
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Oh.
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And I'm like, didn't pay boy.
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I pray.
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I want younger back then.
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That's a nice thinking.
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Any.
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I think the more surprising tidbit is a fun fact
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that he was allergic to beer.
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That is so unfortunate.
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No.
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Your father's passion passed down from your grandfather
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who immigrated from Germany after interning with,
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I can assume, only the finest of beer makers.
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You're allergic to beer.
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Shit.
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Yeah.
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I think you can only head a successful brewing company
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in that case if your grandpa was the one that founded it,
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because that seems like it should probably
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be an automatic disqualification of the wine.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I'm sorry.
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We can't let you head this beer company
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because you would die if you drink a product.
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Yeah.
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Good thing it was already like taste tested flavors.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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He didn't have to keep producing new beers and tasting them.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That sucks, dude.
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Do you think he was like gluten intolerant or whatever?
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Like allergic to gluten?
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I don't know.
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I mean, could have been that.
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To make a gluten free beer.
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Yeah.
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Could be-- I mean, it could be so many things
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that they put in beer or--
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Back then, they couldn't really probably test--
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know that allergy testing was super advanced.
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Yeah.
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More existed.
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Or hold on, this is a funny thought.
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Do you think he was like, oh, this makes me feel funny
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and throw up.
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I must be allergic.
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He just like didn't know how--
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Interesting thought.
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How perfect.
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He just was like, I don't know, I'm trying to drive this stuff.
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I don't feel that good.
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It's like, well, you're doing it too much.
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Yeah.
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Do less.
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How did he realize he was allergic?
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I don't know.
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That's so weird.
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I'm not really sure what his reaction was.
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It's an interesting thought.
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Anyway, you're probably wondering when we're going
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to get back to that disappearance?
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I was just talking about--
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Yeah.
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It was a while back.
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Or the murder thing you casually mentioned.
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I mean, I feel like the murder is implied oftentimes.
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But anyone who--
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Excuse me for getting caught up in the October fest lives.
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I'm getting to it right now.
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It's a matter of five.
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On the day of his disappearance,
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ad followed his normal morning routine as he always had.
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With a workout, shower, and coffee with his wife.
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Finally, he tended to their horses
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before leaving for work.
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That's right.
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Even though this was a long time ago on horses
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where something that probably a lot more people could have,
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they had horse money.
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Horse money, guys.
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They're horse money, Rich.
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They don't need horses for work in the land or transportation.
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They're just like, we just like them.
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We just want them.
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He grabbed a tan baseball cap and slipped on his favorite
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navy blue nylon jacket, like all the dads have worn forever.
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And he was out the door.
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The only deviation from his typical routine
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was that he had taken a slightly different route
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than usual when he left his house in Morrison, Colorado,
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at around 8 a.m. that morning.
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They placed him on a rural gravel road as his regular route
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was undergoing some repair work.
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Oh, yeah.
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Always that construction going on.
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So much fucking construction.
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Next, and up your commute.
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Couldn't have done any of that when we were in lockdown, though,
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huh?
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[LAUGHS]
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That's fine.
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It was that same day, February 9, 1960,
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on a single lane bridge over Turkey Creek
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near his home, the ad suddenly went missing.
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Later that morning, as a milkman out on deliveries
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approached the bridge, he realized that his path was blocked
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by an international travel all station wagon.
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Oh, OK.
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It's cool with the car.
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I'll show you the picture of it.
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I have it saved on me.
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That's top.
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I love station wagons.
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Really?
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I do.
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I want one.
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That's really weird.
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They look like herses.
23:10
We've gone over this.
23:11
Oh, yeah.
23:12
I guess I have some vague look.
23:15
I don't know what that is.
23:16
OK.
23:16
That makes sense.
23:17
I feel like I have the same reaction back then.
23:19
Like, what?
23:21
Why do you want a mommy mobile?
23:22
You-- where at all?
23:24
Because you could put a battery in the back.
23:27
Oh, well, but don't.
23:29
Yeah, I mean, don't.
23:31
Yeah, but maybe don't.
23:33
I was speaking in terms of herses
23:35
worth OK for the body to be like the body
23:38
is supposed to be there.
23:40
Here's consent.
23:41
It's so cool.
23:42
I want one.
23:44
Pretty fancy vehicle.
23:45
But the milkman had place to be.
23:47
People to see.
23:49
Milk to deliver.
23:50
Gotta get that meal.
23:52
That's right.
23:53
So he honestly found this kind of annoying.
23:55
Yeah.
23:56
He's like, um, this is like a one lane bridge.
23:59
And so--
24:02
he honked, but the vehicle appeared to be abandoned.
24:06
So the milkman moved the car.
24:09
Noting a few things as he took in the scene.
24:12
How did he move the car?
24:14
Well, I'm going to explain.
24:15
OK.
24:16
Turns out he wasn't just seeing red.
24:19
OK.
24:20
He was still a little bit-- he was a little annoyed.
24:24
He also noticed there was a hat on the riverbank below,
24:29
probably cursing it as he tried to hurry on.
24:33
Still, he thought it was odd that the radio in the car
24:36
had been left on and strangest of all.
24:39
There were some chestnut colored stains on the bridge.
24:43
OK.
24:45
Sure a shit.
24:46
You know, this was later confirmed to be blood.
24:48
I-- yeah.
24:49
Yeah.
24:50
Yeah.
24:51
It's probably not cool.
24:52
It's probably not cool.
24:54
Nope.
24:55
But put a pin in that for now.
24:58
As his family, law enforcement and the public at large
25:02
became aware that ad was missing, the manhunt that ensued
25:07
became the largest up to that point in history.
25:11
Wow.
25:12
Yeah.
25:12
I mean, pretty famous guy, I assume.
25:15
Exactly.
25:16
Yeah.
25:17
But I mean, now you see, it's like, OK, that's weird.
25:21
Dude just leaves his car in the middle of this one lane road,
25:26
leaves the keys in it.
25:27
The radio's still on.
25:29
There's a hat down below.
25:30
OK.
25:31
It's not good.
25:32
Not just a look at it.
25:33
Doesn't seem great.
25:34
No.
25:35
And that's exactly what the FBI thought,
25:36
because they were officially on the case.
25:38
Dang.
25:39
That was fast.
25:40
I know they were like, what's that, girl?
25:43
And then they were there.
25:44
They're just like teleported.
25:48
Anyways, code name, core nap.
25:51
Really?
25:52
Yeah.
25:53
Did you name it that?
25:54
No.
25:55
It didn't.
25:55
Dang.
25:56
Core nap.
25:56
What have?
25:58
I'm going to take a core nap here in a minute.
26:00
Right.
26:02
A ransom note addressed to Mary postmarked February 9th
26:06
at 3 p.m. arrived with a demand of $500,000.
26:13
Wow.
26:14
As it's typical of ransom letters,
26:16
it laid out very specific instructions
26:18
for the exchange of the ransom.
26:22
Now, this is a little disjointed.
26:23
And I think that I typed this out for myself without the things
26:31
in it that made it very difficult to read.
26:34
But just the way that it's worded, everything about this,
26:40
the way that it's worded, all of the mistakes
26:43
and just awkward phrasing makes me want to punch my own face.
26:50
But why can no one ever type ransom notes?
26:53
I don't.
26:54
They're always insane.
26:56
Yeah.
26:57
They're literally insane.
26:58
Maybe because no sane person would make a ransom note.
27:02
Yeah.
27:03
And I feel like also, I don't know, maybe going after a grown man,
27:10
like it's one thing to try to kidnap a kid because it's somebody
27:13
you can very clearly overpower, I guess.
27:16
But like, I don't know.
27:19
Just doesn't seem, I don't know.
27:23
I don't know.
27:25
OK, so, quote, "Bills used, non-consecative/unrecorded/unmarked,
27:34
200,000 intends and 300,000 in 20s."
27:41
OK.
27:44
It's interesting because they always have specific demands
27:48
for the denominations of the bills.
27:50
They want the small bills because large bills are conspicuous.
27:54
Exactly.
27:55
Z-Eckly.
27:56
You got a 50?
27:57
You must have stole that.
27:58
You must have stole that.
28:01
$50 is basically like, you can't even go out for dinner for $50 anymore.
28:07
Yeah.
28:08
How do you?
28:11
Back to this.
28:13
Let's forget the capitalistic hellscape that we're living in.
28:17
I'd love to.
28:19
This was the common practice for kidnapper communications.
28:23
And ad was to be placed in the paper, the Denver Post.
28:27
It's always with the ads.
28:29
I know, dude.
28:30
That's just how it was done.
28:32
Is there a class on how to kidnap?
28:37
No, I think sometimes it's like somebody just comes up with an idea and everybody else that
28:43
does it afterwards is kind of like the way they did that.
28:47
It's not worked out well because so many of these kidnappings that we've talked about have
28:53
just ended so well.
28:55
And I guess the warehouse are kidnapping.
28:57
Yeah.
28:58
That one.
28:59
As kidnappings go, that one ended well.
29:02
Not for the neighbors, but I mean, not for a lot of people.
29:05
Yeah.
29:06
Not not great.
29:07
Okay.
29:08
Of course, it also instructed the reader that they would know if the police were called.
29:14
How would they know?
29:16
Because they are the police.
29:18
Oh, plot twist.
29:19
I know, right?
29:23
They're gonna know.
29:24
How would they know?
29:26
They were like, we're gonna know.
29:28
So further, the ransom note stated, understand this.
29:33
Adolf's life is in your hands.
29:36
We have no desire to commit murder.
29:39
All we want is that money.
29:41
If you follow the instructions, he will be released, unharmed within 48 hours after the
29:47
money is received.
29:50
Which is what everybody would hope for.
29:52
Of course.
29:53
Yeah.
29:54
Tips quickly came into the FBI and local law enforcement, including multiple descriptions
29:59
of a vehicle that had been seen numerous times, notably by that very bridge.
30:07
Almost like they were like testing things out.
30:11
One in the whole flim flam, the scheme.
30:14
Ooh.
30:15
Ooh.
30:16
I'm like kind of seeing what could have happened now.
30:19
Yeah.
30:20
It was a yellow mercury.
30:25
That's very conspicuous.
30:26
That's bright yellow.
30:27
Exactly.
30:28
Thanks to one particularly vigilant witness, they even had a partial plate.
30:36
He stated it was a 1960 Colorado style plate.
30:42
It read, "AT62."
30:46
It may have been, "AT6205."
30:50
I'm not 100% sure about the last two numbers.
30:54
But like, pretty good.
30:56
If you can get somewhere between four and six digits of, I mean, I'll take it.
31:02
Yeah.
31:03
I'll take it.
31:04
Yellow mercurys are there in, right?
31:08
In even the whole state of Colorado.
31:11
Hopefully not many, but I would think not many.
31:13
Yeah.
31:14
It is, what is it, the 60s, 70s?
31:16
In the 60s, yeah.
31:18
The leading alpha character, A, was the county designation for Denver.
31:25
So, some license plate facts.
31:29
The license plate sequence, "AT62 narrowed their field to four vehicles."
31:36
Wow.
31:37
Yeah.
31:39
And all were assessed as potential leads in the case.
31:42
It was the vehicle that had been purchased just about a month prior to the disappearance
31:47
that drew their attention, which was like, "Huh, interesting.
31:51
The person who, you know, why don't you just throw up a yellow flag and be like,
31:56
"That's me!"
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33:03
As they went to track down the owner, it further seemed suspicious that he, Walter Osborne
33:11
and Alias, had quickly moved.
33:15
He quickly moved out of his apartment following the incident.
33:18
No.
33:19
He got caught the car like a month before the disappearance and then all of a sudden like,
33:24
huh.
33:25
So wait a second.
33:27
You're telling me that this Adolph guy, he got kidnapped and then this guy moves out in
33:32
like less than a week.
33:33
He was going to move out anyway.
33:35
Oh yeah.
33:36
Planned in it for years.
33:37
Totally.
33:38
But say it for years.
33:42
The Prince found in this man's rental property matched Joseph Corbett Jr. who was already
33:52
a convicted killer prior to his escape from a California prison.
33:57
Holy shit.
33:58
Yeah.
33:59
He escaped.
34:00
Uh huh.
34:01
Y'all.
34:02
And he'd get caught.
34:04
Not right away.
34:07
He had abruptly stopped showing up to work at Benjamin Moore following the kidnapping attempt
34:11
as well.
34:12
So like, buy the car a month before the kidnapping.
34:15
As soon as the kidnapping happens, he moves.
34:18
He's like, fuck it.
34:19
I don't want to work here anymore, but he doesn't tell anyone.
34:22
Just stop showing up.
34:24
I have questions.
34:25
Yeah.
34:26
How does an escaped convict murderer person get a job in an apartment and buy a car?
34:33
Brosef.
34:34
He's going by an Alias.
34:36
It's the 1960s.
34:37
Did they do not like check?
34:40
I mean, what's there to check?
34:41
He's presenting them with another identity.
34:44
No.
34:45
Okay.
34:46
Well, that wouldn't help if he's giving a fake name.
34:51
I don't know what to tell you, bro.
34:53
Walter or Joseph, whatever it is you want to call him, left town the day after the kidnapping.
35:01
He had also recently purchased a typewriter.
35:03
Hmm.
35:04
Handcuffs.
35:05
And a gun.
35:07
Wow.
35:08
Weird.
35:09
Weird.
35:10
So weird.
35:11
Why the typewriter?
35:13
You know, I wonder, wonder, maybe he's working on a research paper.
35:18
Yeah.
35:19
Totally.
35:20
He's going to become a journalist.
35:21
He's writing up his findings from his miraculous escape from prison.
35:25
Yeah.
35:26
Obviously.
35:27
Writing a book.
35:28
He is in it for the science.
35:30
Okay.
35:32
He disappeared leaving no trace of his whereabouts or that of Adolf.
35:39
The kidnapper or kidnapper or kidnapper?
35:46
I'm sorry to say.
35:48
You should know.
35:49
You would think.
35:53
The kidnapper or kidnappers never contacted the Coors family again following the ransom
36:00
note.
36:01
I only say that just because they had no idea who was responsible at the time, right?
36:08
Yeah.
36:09
So like, I know because obviously what would come to light about the kidnapper was cause
36:19
for serious concern.
36:20
I mean, other than the kidnapping.
36:23
Yeah.
36:24
You know, cause that's cause for concern.
36:26
But and major media hubbub because they're like, I'm sorry.
36:31
Did you see this guy escaped?
36:33
He has scoffed from a California prison and now he kidnapped someone in color.
36:38
I don't know.
36:39
Cool.
36:40
That's intense, man.
36:42
Very intense.
36:43
Okay.
36:44
So we're going to go back in time a little bit.
36:47
Back in time.
36:50
On January 13th, 1951, Corbet had been a student at the University of California.
36:58
That was until his arrest when he was charged with the December 22nd, 1950 shooting death in
37:05
a robbery of Air Force Sergeant Allen Lee Reed.
37:10
Wow.
37:11
I don't know if you know this or not, but like if you kill people that are servicemen, law
37:17
enforcement or in the military, they don't show waste.
37:21
It's not good.
37:22
No, they take it for a service.
37:25
They take it pretty personally.
37:27
Yeah.
37:28
Sure do.
37:29
Go figure.
37:31
Corbet was arrested while driving a stolen car with a gun in his possession that matched
37:36
the type used in the killing of the sergeant.
37:39
Dude, you throw that in a creek.
37:40
I mean, yeah, because they did have fingerprinting technology back then.
37:45
So I listen.
37:49
He is a, he is a, he's a whole boatload, a busload of red flags and bad decisions.
37:59
Not great over here.
38:00
But his initial plea was not guilty.
38:05
That's not my gun.
38:06
No, I mean, I guess that's the move.
38:10
He's just trying, you know, to not get in trouble.
38:13
I was just driving with it in my lap.
38:15
But it's not mine.
38:16
It's not even mine.
38:17
I'm not there.
38:18
Yeah.
38:19
He doesn't even go here.
38:22
But Corbet eventually pled guilty to second degree murder.
38:26
So this crime, Corbet had been sentenced to five years to life, which feels like a wildly
38:32
broad range.
38:35
But do you judge?
38:36
I mean, for me to tell a judge what to do, which was to be served in San Quentin State
38:45
prison.
38:47
Corbet was later transferred to a lower security section of California institution for men
38:53
in Chino.
38:54
Hmm.
38:55
And she escaped along with another prisoner in August of 1955.
39:01
Probably shouldn't have moved him.
39:03
Yeah.
39:04
That's what I was thinking.
39:05
It's like, man, I mean, San Quentin isn't exactly like Alcatraz, but like, I don't think
39:13
he heard like a ton of people escaping from there.
39:16
Hmm.
39:17
The southern one though.
39:18
Yeah, that makes sense.
39:19
Yeah.
39:20
Low security.
39:21
All right.
39:22
I wonder what would get you transferred to a low security.
39:25
Like, do you just suck everyone's dick every day?
39:29
I'm like, I'm so nice and good.
39:31
I don't know.
39:33
So let's talk about the ransom notes more.
39:36
That happened to be a source of some leads.
39:40
The type written note had a unique watermark and unusual typewriter font.
39:45
Hmm.
39:47
Yeah.
39:48
The typist also left two spaces in between sentences, as was the common practice back
39:54
then.
39:55
Also, maybe these days too, for those of us that are complete mouth-breathing savages.
40:02
I literally don't know where you're talking about.
40:05
In between sentences, you like leave two spaces instead of one.
40:09
I've never been done that my whole life.
40:12
Why would you do that?
40:13
Why would you hit a button more than you need to?
40:15
But it's easier to read stuff.
40:18
It's more profish.
40:21
Or it that was the common practice.
40:23
I am writing a book.
40:25
I'm trying to write a book.
40:27
So this guy is like, educated is what you're trying to say.
40:30
Well, and also just like he is like familiar with typing, which doesn't seem significant,
40:38
but also like nobody had computer classes back then.
40:41
Yeah.
40:42
You know what I mean?
40:43
Yeah.
40:44
And we took typing classes throughout like going to grade school and stuff.
40:48
That wasn't a thing back then.
40:49
And people had to learn how to use a typewriter.
40:55
Once they identified the particular model of typewriter used in the ransom note, a royal
41:01
light, portable typewriter, they went to the two retailers in the area that sold it.
41:07
So they're slowly due.
41:10
And still you're thinking like, oh no.
41:12
You know, this is the era of the typewriter.
41:14
Like they're probably selling a few.
41:17
Yeah.
41:18
But a clerk at one of the stores actually recognized Joseph Corbett.
41:24
The man was positive.
41:25
He'd sold him that very make and model of typewriter.
41:28
And it was a memorable purchase as he'd paid with cash.
41:33
Oh.
41:34
Did people?
41:35
Which I feel like wasn't that remarkable back then, but I think typewriters were very expensive.
41:40
Oh.
41:41
And I think it would have maybe been.
41:43
This is also in an era where just grocery stores and large retailers, they took checks.
41:49
Right.
41:50
Yeah.
41:51
What's a check?
41:54
Stupid.
41:55
Yeah.
41:56
Anywho.
41:57
But they didn't have plastic back then, right?
41:59
Exactly.
42:00
Yeah.
42:01
I don't think credit cards were a common thing at that point.
42:04
So the FBI publicized Joseph Corbett, Jr.'s description.
42:11
X1 to 6'2 with brown hair, 160 to 170 pounds, thin and left handed.
42:19
Hmm.
42:20
Literally, it could just be probably like 50% of the dudes in Colorado or anywhere else
42:27
in the country for that matter.
42:29
He had worked in paint manufacturing, was competent in typing, and dressed neatly for
42:35
the most part.
42:37
He was originally from Seattle, Washington, born October 25th, 1928.
42:45
Now the man that had come up in the Seattle school system and even studied physics at the
42:50
University of Washington had been placed on the top 10 most wanted list.
42:57
Damn.
42:58
How do you go from that to that?
42:59
I know.
43:00
It's funny that you say that.
43:02
I don't know, maybe we'll cut this, but with my next sentence, which to be clear, in case
43:09
this is your first foray into true crime, this doesn't anything like the Forbes 30 under
43:14
30.
43:15
It's not like that at all.
43:18
Maybe you got them confused.
43:20
Yeah.
43:21
He was like, oh, wait, which list did I want to be on?
43:23
Sh*t.
43:24
Right.
43:25
The athlete.
43:29
On September 11th, Higers in Pikes Peak found trousers and a pen knife with the initials
43:36
AC inscribed.
43:40
Then Adolf Sh*t was found with multiple holes in it four days later.
43:47
Oh no.
43:49
They were pretty sure they were bullet holes.
43:53
He had been shot twice in the back based on their findings analyzing the Sh*t.
43:59
The skeletal remains of Adolph were later located.
44:05
The holes in the shoulder bones were examined by a pathologist and believed to be from a high
44:10
speed projectile.
44:13
But they also matched up with the two holes found in the clothing belonging to ad cores.
44:19
So they just like took it and it was like a, like they were trying to trace, so you know,
44:25
like when you're trying to trace something and you, yeah.
44:30
Not good.
44:31
Oh, I didn't like it.
44:33
Okay.
44:34
It's really weird though that at the beginning of this, we were like, never forget and then
44:40
9/11, it presents itself in the case.
44:43
I didn't even remember that, oh my God.
44:45
Is that all weird?
44:46
It's not all weird.
44:47
Kind of weird.
44:48
That's really weird.
44:50
Never forget ad cores.
44:52
Yeah.
44:53
The school allowed the victim to be identified and confirmed through dental records.
45:01
Elsewhere, the yellow mercury was going up in literal smoke.
45:06
Literal.
45:07
Was on fire?
45:09
It was torched when it was found in Atlantic City near a scrap yard shortly after the remains
45:15
were found.
45:16
So he was probably like, this car is hot.
45:18
Oh.
45:19
Really so hot.
45:20
I'm going to light it on fire.
45:25
Because they were on to him.
45:27
Right.
45:28
And that's a pretty distinctive vehicle.
45:29
Yeah.
45:30
He should have got something less yellow.
45:32
Yeah.
45:33
It's not going to get better.
45:36
Though the mercury had been badly burned, the serial number remained and confirmed that
45:41
the vehicle belonged to Walter, Osborne or Joseph Corbett.
45:47
I'm really going to have to pick a lane with this guy's name at some point.
45:51
Call Walter Joe.
45:52
Walter Joe.
45:53
Walter Joe.
45:54
Little Walter Joe.
45:55
Walter Joe.
45:56
Okay.
45:57
No.
45:58
Fucker.
45:59
But for now, let's get forensic.
46:03
There were four layers of soil or shale.
46:09
I don't know why I might I want to say shell.
46:13
I want to say shall.
46:14
It is shale.
46:15
Shale.
46:16
I've never heard of this.
46:18
Uh-huh.
46:19
The hail is a shale.
46:21
Yeah, this is shale.
46:23
So there were four layers of soil or shale.
46:28
Let's just say detritus of some form or fashion in the samples taken from the undercarriage
46:35
of the vehicle.
46:36
So it's soil.
46:38
Okay.
46:39
What's a detritus?
46:41
Detritus is like debris.
46:43
You see what she does to me?
46:45
I'm sorry.
46:48
The first layer was sand likely from the New Jersey coast because that's where the vehicle
46:54
was found, which makes sense seeing as it was recovered in Atlantic City.
47:00
The second layer was unremarkable.
47:02
However, another was consistent with shale at the kidnapping site.
47:09
So shale is like a it's technically like if you talk to a geologist, they're going to
47:14
tell you it's not just soil.
47:17
I, however, I'm not going to.
47:20
It's soil, okay?
47:21
Moving on.
47:22
Uh, it's just not that interesting until we get to something very specific about one of
47:29
the layers on the shale.
47:30
Let me come back to that.
47:33
Meanwhile, Joseph was in Winnipeg, Canada when two of his neighbors recognized him from
47:39
his description in Reader's Digest, which was like a big deal back then.
47:46
Does anyone, do people even know what that is anymore?
47:50
I subscribe to it.
47:52
You do?
47:53
No.
47:54
Oh, I was like, what?
47:55
It's like, I am learning so much about you today.
47:58
I don't know.
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Okay.
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Though he fled before he could be arrested, he was said to be driving.
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Cassie, I just, I simply can't.
48:08
Is it red?
48:10
A bright red Pontiac.
48:12
What?
48:14
Dude just cannot help himself with the flamboyant vehicles, apparently.
48:19
I mean, maybe he's like, well, they'll never suspect.
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I'll get an even louder car.
48:24
Maybe.
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I don't know.
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That's kind of what I thought, but I don't know.
48:29
But they always get caught by some stupid mistake.
48:33
Okay.
48:34
Often a minor vehicle infraction.
48:36
Like, this has happened with so many prolific serial killers that I'm just like, oh, yeah,
48:42
buddy.
48:43
Keep driving that bright red Pontiac.
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Yeah.
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I can't wait.
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Although I would argue.
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I always right now.
48:52
What?
48:53
I think you don't use the loud car.
48:57
Although I would argue always driving a primary colored vehicle is a major infraction when
49:04
you're attempting to lie low.
49:06
You're not one, but two homicides.
49:09
Only technically that's not the law you brought on this.
49:14
There's no log against red or yellow cars, whatever you get it.
49:18
Anyway, he got away that time somehow.
49:23
But a rooming house manager placed another call to law enforcement.
49:29
This guy must be carrying a lucky rabbit's foot holding a full leaf clover and constantly
49:36
throwing salt over his shoulder because he dodged them again.
49:42
Oh my goodness.
49:46
But he didn't make it far.
49:48
The Mounties spotted his car because of fucking horse they did.
49:54
Parked at a local hotel.
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No he literally didn't even go that far.
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When they knocked on the door he said, I give up.
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I'm the man you want.
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Huh?
50:06
No.
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No, Walti Jo.
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You're not.
50:09
You're not the man I want.
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Very easy.
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I know.
50:13
At the time of his arrest, the case against him was fairly solid.
50:18
Remember all of the dirt and the other manner of detritus I mentioned before?
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Yeah.
50:24
You're like, yeah.
50:25
Detritus.
50:26
Well, they more specifically found rare pink held spar minerals and fragments of granite
50:35
in the undercarriage of the yellow mercury that they already knew belonged to none other
50:41
than this dude, Walti Jo.
50:43
That sounds pretty.
50:45
Yeah, it does, right?
50:47
Pink granite?
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Yeah.
50:49
It linked him to the remains of ad course.
50:53
So really pretty.
50:54
In the courtroom, that went along nicely with statements he'd made to co-workers about
51:00
a get rich quick plan.
51:04
Maybe don't tell people.
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Hey, I'm going to.
51:07
He didn't say specifically kidnap, but he literally said a get rich quick plan.
51:13
It didn't even work.
51:15
He didn't get me money.
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No.
51:18
No.
51:19
No, this plan was so fucked from jump street and I'm going to explain a little bit more.
51:26
It's.
51:27
It's like calling it a plan.
51:30
It's very generous.
51:31
It actually was a plan.
51:33
It just was a really bad plan.
51:35
Yeah.
51:36
Okay.
51:37
So reenactment time.
51:40
It was believed that when ad approached the bridge, his would be kidnapper was already
51:45
lying in weight on the narrow one lane bridge.
51:48
When ad approached him, it's believed that Joseph drew his gun.
51:55
Were it not for the addition of firearms to their physical encounter, the pair were
51:59
pretty evenly matched.
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So I don't know.
52:03
Who's two boxers that are like real equal?
52:08
That's this.
52:09
I don't know.
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And I didn't care to look.
52:14
But unlikely the ad would have been scared into submission easily given his athletic build.
52:20
He may have turned to run back to his vehicle in order to thwart the gunman at which point
52:25
he was then fired upon landing two shots in his back.
52:30
So remember how I said, fucked from jump street and do his careful.
52:37
So carefully thought out plan foiled in an instant following ad and learning his routine
52:43
was all for not.
52:44
Because he already, he, he fucking blew it.
52:48
He fumbled right there on the bridge.
52:50
He's like, looks.
52:51
It's gonna be real hard to turn him over.
52:55
Oh no.
52:56
Yeah, you shot him.
52:58
Uh huh.
52:59
Twice in the bag.
53:00
He was like, no, he's getting away and then didn't think about the consequence.
53:05
Did you think he was just gonna come with you willingly?
53:08
Like, exactly.
53:09
That's what I'm saying.
53:10
I'm like, okay.
53:11
How did you see this playing out?
53:13
Like, he just thought, having a gun would just be enough to subdue him.
53:19
But I'm like, um, this is like kind of a man's man.
53:26
Like, he's healthy.
53:28
He's in shape.
53:29
You guys are equally matched physically.
53:32
Like, he probably figures that he can either run away real quick or like, he could overpower
53:38
you.
53:39
You should be concerned about that.
53:41
Yeah.
53:42
Man, I wish he just made it to his car and ran him the fuck over.
53:47
No.
53:48
So it hadn't gone unnoticed probably because he was driving a mother fucking neon colored
53:56
transformer.
53:58
Oh my god.
54:01
This fucking idiot.
54:03
So many people saw him like practicing basically.
54:07
He was like, my god.
54:08
I'm over here just practicing a kid.
54:11
Nothing good.
54:12
Nothing good.
54:13
Nothing.
54:14
Wait, didn't he go a different route that day?
54:17
Add did.
54:18
But he knew he would be going that way because he was following him and learning his routine
54:23
and stuff.
54:24
Hmm.
54:25
Yeah.
54:26
It just happened to be that that was one of the days where, yeah, he's going a different
54:31
way because of the road work.
54:32
Did he plan the road work?
54:33
I know.
54:34
I was like, was this like a fake construction crew?
54:37
Like, he really went deep.
54:40
I went like full tin, like tin hat.
54:44
At trial, his defense tried to argue that the kidnapping should not be admissible in
54:50
courtroom discussion since the federal charge wasn't brought.
54:54
I mean, he technically didn't kidnap anybody.
54:57
I mean, attempted for sure.
55:00
Yeah.
55:01
The prosecution argued that the botched kidnapping was what established the motive for
55:06
murder.
55:07
I think they have the stronger argument.
55:10
Yeah.
55:11
Ultimately, the judge sided with the prosecution because he's like, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
55:17
Sorry about your luck.
55:19
Nice bright red and yellow vehicles.
55:22
Sorry about your dad.
55:25
Okay.
55:26
Joseph Corvette, Jr. was convicted of first-degree murder in March of 1961.
55:34
He was sentenced to life in prison, though 19 years later, he would be released for good
55:40
behavior.
55:43
Following his release, he found work as a truck driver for the Salvation Army.
55:50
He died by suicide in August 2009 at 80 years of age, having previously received a cancer
55:57
diagnosis.
55:59
Good.
56:00
I wish he was still in prison.
56:02
Yeah.
56:04
He escaped already.
56:06
Yeah, he has scoffed.
56:07
He don't let him go.
56:09
Doesn't seem like a great Canada for parole.
56:13
What with the multiple murders and then like the scoffay, but whatever.
56:19
He'd been a full bright scholar.
56:22
And now he was reduced to this.
56:25
Meanwhile, ad cores was posthumously inducted into the Colorado ski and snowboard
56:32
Hall of Fame in 1998.
56:33
Oh, I know.
56:34
Isn't that cute?
56:35
Do he even smell boarded?
56:36
I guess so.
56:37
Yeah.
56:38
He seemed like a super cool dude.
56:44
But we may revisit some other problematic shit with this family that happened like outside
56:50
of his whole situation.
56:52
Just say.
56:53
But you didn't have anything to do with it.
56:55
No.
56:56
No.
56:57
I mean, not when it happened.
56:58
Not ad.
56:59
I know.
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Not.
57:01
Not ad.
57:02
I know.
57:03
I know.
57:04
Yeah, we may talk about the course family again.
57:06
I don't know.
57:07
I'm kind of on the fence about it, but I do.
57:09
I've been mullin' it over.
57:11
Did any of them invent the beer pong?
57:14
I not that I'm aware of.
57:16
I have no idea who invented it.
57:17
I don't think it was the course family.
57:19
Someone go look it up and present us with an episode on who invented the beer pong.
57:24
Beer pong.
57:25
Beer pong and beer pong, both.
57:27
Well, that's about all I have to say about that.
57:30
I may share with you one other quote when we do the tarot.
57:35
I have another quote that I thought was kind of cute.
57:38
All right.
57:39
So, should we do some tarot?
57:41
Let's do it.
57:43
Let's do it.
57:44
Do it.
57:45
I hardly know.
57:46
What?
57:47
Okay.
57:48
So we got the ace of cups.
57:57
Wow.
57:58
Yeah.
57:59
I was just thinking, though, and I was trying to say that I literally wasn't anywhere near
58:03
my microphone.
58:06
What are the odds that I went to add this blue mountain?
58:11
Yeah.
58:12
And that was just like a little last minute thing that I threw in there.
58:16
And then it's a big blue hydrangea.
58:19
Interesting.
58:20
Yeah.
58:21
I don't know.
58:22
Interesting.
58:23
Oh, and it's on page 88.
58:24
What a wonderful number.
58:26
Okay.
58:27
Ace of cups.
58:31
Interesting.
58:32
It's not like coming through for me.
58:35
Well, I guess cups.
58:36
Yeah.
58:37
The only thing that would be the cups.
58:38
Yeah.
58:39
Cups kind of make sense no matter what, because it's like, hello, cheers then.
58:43
Okay.
58:45
Keywords are new love, beginning a creative activity, enjoy.
58:52
A single large cellist appears on the Ace of Cups.
58:56
Sometimes water flows out of it, fountain like beer like beer or the cups.
59:03
It's in water like how they make their beer with a cold mountain water.
59:08
Oh, yeah.
59:09
Was it he like, he was on a bridge, right?
59:13
Was there water under the bridge?
59:15
Well, and I was thinking about that actually, like right before we started up for tarot and
59:22
I'm assuming yes.
59:24
Yeah.
59:25
As I'm starting to say, I'm assuming yes.
59:28
I'm like, nope, there definitely was.
59:29
Yeah.
59:30
Yep.
59:31
Yep.
59:32
Okay.
59:33
In the writer wait Smith deck, a hand emerging from a cloud offers the cup as a gift to
59:39
you.
59:40
This represents a gift of love, either of a personal or divine nature.
59:45
Okay.
59:46
The spiritual stuff is maybe that maybe is coming through to me in a way.
59:53
Maybe I will read you that quote.
59:54
Oh, okay.
59:55
So maybe that's making more sense than I thought.
59:58
Okay.
59:59
This ace reminds us of the holy grail, the most famous chalice of all.
1:00:05
Chalice is.
1:00:08
Does boot, does boot.
1:00:11
Which some people believe now lies in the chalice well in Glastonbury, England.
1:00:18
Oh, this is interesting too.
1:00:21
The wicking blessing is the extra excerpt for this.
1:00:26
Sharing a beverage in a chalice is a popular practice in wicking rituals.
1:00:32
Sometimes the chalice is offered with the blessing, may you never thirst.
1:00:36
May you never thirst because you have beer unless you're allergic to it.
1:00:41
In that case, like, because the chalice is passed from one person to another, oh, interesting
1:00:49
kind of like generational passing of the chalice with this.
1:00:54
So okay, I'm actually like, I'm feeling some connections more than I thought I would.
1:01:03
It may feature a long stem that makes it easier to handle.
1:01:07
Okay, which makes sense because he probably would have been more of a wine guy.
1:01:13
The upright ace denotes a burst of joy, the kind that comes with falling in love.
1:01:19
Oh, you have to talk about him and his wifey.
1:01:23
Yeah.
1:01:25
Often it's appearance heralds a new romance, but it can also represent the start of a creative
1:01:31
project about which you feel happy.
1:01:33
Oh.
1:01:34
Or maybe one that just was so poorly executed.
1:01:39
Oh, I was just thinking of like his life and his, when did he get to be the head of the
1:01:44
beer company?
1:01:46
When he was about 45 and when did he pass?
1:01:49
I'm not sure.
1:01:50
Like did he get like a good amount of time leading the beer company?
1:01:55
I think so.
1:01:57
Oh, I don't.
1:01:58
Yeah, I don't.
1:01:59
I don't have to go back and look at like the dates and numbers, the like no, I don't know
1:02:03
exactly off the top of my head how many years he was in charge.
1:02:07
Still just makes me sad.
1:02:08
That was like his family's dream.
1:02:10
And yeah.
1:02:12
Huh.
1:02:13
And this beautiful card shows up, it indicates you're on an emotional high and enjoying life.
1:02:19
Sometimes it indicates the birth of a child or idea.
1:02:24
In a reading about money, the a suggests the beginning of a creative endeavor, the promises
1:02:30
to be profitable.
1:02:32
I don't think that's correct with the crime that happened, but listen to the second part.
1:02:39
But carefully and the seeds will bear fruit, so like he just kind of, he, he done did fuck
1:02:45
it up.
1:02:46
Yeah.
1:02:47
If the reading is about your work, you may be starting a new job and feel enthusiastic
1:02:53
about it.
1:02:55
Perhaps this position will allow you to express your creativity or fulfill a dream, even
1:03:00
though it might take some time.
1:03:03
Huh.
1:03:04
This all totally just reminds me because you did talk about the very beginning with his
1:03:08
dad, his dad, his grandpa.
1:03:10
His, yeah, it was his grandfather that started the course brewing company.
1:03:14
That was like a really big part of this episode.
1:03:16
So I feel like it's just picking up like that energy and that was very fruitful.
1:03:21
Yeah.
1:03:22
Well, and I think there's some other connections to I think that it's, I mean, the fact that
1:03:27
we drew like the ace of cops when it's, you know, a real beer story for, I mean, to
1:03:34
label, to totally mislabel it.
1:03:36
In a reading about love, the ace symbolizes the first stages of a romantic relationship,
1:03:44
nurture it.
1:03:45
So your love will blossom.
1:03:48
Sometimes it represents awakening to divine love.
1:03:51
Okay.
1:03:52
That, that still, that kind of harkens back to the quote that I was thinking.
1:03:58
Yeah, read the quote.
1:04:00
Okay.
1:04:01
There's a saying that he who dies with the most toys wins.
1:04:08
Mr. Course says that's the psychology of materialism.
1:04:14
If we can surround ourselves with enough toys, our lives are going to be complete and happy.
1:04:22
But Mr. Course, a member of a family whose company shares were recently worth around 400
1:04:28
million says materialism won't do it.
1:04:33
So this is like a more modern, Mr. Course.
1:04:38
But there, there were just a number of different kind of quotes and sort of things that I picked
1:04:44
up from articles about his family now has sort of, I don't know how religious they were
1:04:51
or weren't prior to his kidnapping, but it does seem like they have sort of found their
1:04:59
own spiritual path.
1:05:02
So I felt like to me that kind of tied in, it was talking about like, you know, divinity
1:05:06
and that.
1:05:09
I don't maybe love their specific religious path.
1:05:15
I don't know for sure.
1:05:16
I don't know them enough in their beliefs and everything.
1:05:20
But concerning when you have conservative wealthy people that are potentially ultra-religious.
1:05:29
But no, I just think that maybe their faith, assuming that it's not unhealthy or unreasonable,
1:05:38
maybe that's kind of helped them to find some peace in this situation.
1:05:49
I've burned a bear being wealthy.
1:05:51
I know.
1:05:52
Although, I mean, I say that jokingly, obviously, but in this case where, you know, they've lost
1:05:59
a family member in such a horrible way.
1:06:02
And I, the worst part about it is I feel like the ransom letter we know it was postmarked
1:06:10
at like 3 p.m.
1:06:11
I don't know if that, he could have put it in the mailbox before he even went to go
1:06:16
and confront it all from the bridge.
1:06:22
But to me, the fact that he sent that letter and it says, you know, I don't want to hurt this
1:06:31
person.
1:06:33
And he's saying, we, you know, I'll return him unharmed as long as we get the money.
1:06:40
Knowing full well that no, you won't, that just really messes with me.
1:06:47
Like, yeah, fucking sucks.
1:06:50
I know.
1:06:51
And it was all for money too.
1:06:52
Like if money didn't exist, this probably wouldn't have happened.
1:06:56
Yeah.
1:06:57
Which a lot of crimes, I'm sure, might exist.
1:06:59
I didn't exist.
1:07:00
Yeah.
1:07:01
It was all a lot of crimes.
1:07:02
The root of all evil, right?
1:07:03
Yeah.
1:07:04
I think that's how that.
1:07:06
I think that's one of those quotes where it's often miscited and, I think that's the right
1:07:13
version of it.
1:07:14
I don't know.
1:07:15
Anyhow, I believe you.
1:07:17
Cheers.
1:07:18
Cheers.
1:07:19
May you never thirst.
1:07:22
So you said you had something super important.
1:07:24
Yes.
1:07:25
It was really important.
1:07:26
I can't believe you didn't pick up on it.
1:07:28
Well, I kind of can't.
1:07:29
You said he left wearing a blue jacket.
1:07:32
Yeah.
1:07:33
You got a big old blue card.
1:07:38
That's yellow on it too.
1:07:40
A little bit of yellow.
1:07:42
It's a yellow chalice.
1:07:43
So yeah.
1:07:44
Wow.
1:07:45
A lot of primary color action up in here.
1:07:48
Yeah.
1:07:49
Yeah.
1:07:50
No red though.
1:07:51
There's no red anywhere.
1:07:52
We got the pink.
1:07:53
Yeah.
1:07:54
It's in the felt's bar.
1:07:55
I was like, I don't know what it actually looks like.
1:07:58
I assume it's probably not like metallic looks just like that.
1:08:02
Yeah.
1:08:03
Um, you are welcome for this beautiful altar.
1:08:07
It's booty fall.
1:08:09
It's booty fall.
1:08:10
Yeah.
1:08:11
Should we go like stuff our beautiful faces or something?
1:08:17
I'm very hungry.
1:08:19
I know I probably should have ordered something already like 30 minutes ago.
1:08:23
Uh oh.
1:08:24
I'm hungry an hour ago.
1:08:26
Have a creepy ass day.
1:08:27
Well, see you next Tuesday.
1:08:30
See you next Tuesday.
1:08:31
Bye.
1:08:32
Unless you're in your bright yellow.
1:08:33
Car to incline and then we'll literally see you from a mile away.
1:08:37
Then we saw you yesterday.
1:08:40
Uh Oh, Spaghetti-o.
1:08:45
Uh Oh, Spaghetti-o.
1:08:52
Oh, Spaghetti-os!
1:08:53
Spaghetti-os.
1:08:54
Fish buttholes.
1:08:56
Why does that sound so good?
1:09:01
And then you ruined it.
1:09:03
Honestly, you think it sounds good and then you try it again as an adult and you're like,
1:09:07
what the fuck is this shit?
1:09:10
Really?
1:09:11
It tastes like it's tomato, piggettio juice with like straight corn sugar syrup in it.
1:09:17
It's disgusting.
1:09:18
It's like really sweet.
1:09:19
Yeah, I don't remember what Spaghetti is.
1:09:22
Are really all about that.
1:09:23
Don't try it again.
1:09:25
Well, we'll see.
1:09:27
I love doing things that I'm told not to.
1:09:30
We'll just wait acidic to it.
1:09:32
Give me really about a heartburn.
1:09:33
Really?
1:09:34
It's like don't.
1:09:35
Yeah.
1:09:36
It's those night shades, baby.
1:09:38
You're like, I don't even know if there's any actual tomato in it.
1:09:41
Right.
1:09:42
I don't.
1:09:43
I don't know.
1:09:44
They just extracted the acid from the tomato and mixed it with sugar and that is Spaghetti
1:09:49
O.
1:09:50
It's delicious.
1:09:51
I don't know.
1:09:53
Oh, my goodness.
1:09:55
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