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(Chats 10-7-26) The Woodshed Edition – Debunking Supervisor Lies & Know Your Rights · Breaking OWCP with Chris & Gini

0:03
SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to the Breaking OWCP podcast.
0:08
SPEAKER_00: Join Chris and Jeannie as they bring you expert advice on Federal Workers Comp, guiding you step by step to get back to work the right way.
0:16
SPEAKER_00: Let's break down the barriers and get you the help you deserve.
0:21
SPEAKER_02: Hello, everybody.
0:21
SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Wednesday night OWCP chats with Chris and Jeannie.
0:26
SPEAKER_02: The cold edition.
0:29
SPEAKER_01: The fake winter edition.
0:31
SPEAKER_02: The sweat-o-weather edition.
0:33
SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you what, I'd rather be in a bunch of snow than this monsoon that we've been in the last couple of days.
0:38
SPEAKER_01: It's been gross.
0:39
SPEAKER_02: It has rained in the past two days for literally 48 hours.
0:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like it's so crazy.
0:45
SPEAKER_02: We didn't get this all year, but we're thankful there's no hurricanes.
0:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no hurricanes.
0:49
SPEAKER_01: But several inches of rain the last couple of days.
0:50
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's crazy.
0:51
SPEAKER_03: He's had to empty our pool twice going on three times.
0:56
SPEAKER_01: Three times again tonight.
0:57
SPEAKER_03: A lot.
0:57
SPEAKER_03: All right, guys.
0:59
SPEAKER_01: This is the this is the fun show, the one everyone loves.
1:03
SPEAKER_01: It is Woodshed Night.
1:04
SPEAKER_03: It's Woodshed Night, and a lot of you are new.
1:07
SPEAKER_03: And so what Woodshed Night is, is all the complaints we hear throughout the year where you guys are complaining about supervisors, management, postmasters, etc.
1:17
SPEAKER_03: Anybody that's in management, and they either don't know what to tell you about OWCP, or they just refuse about to help you fill out your paperwork, or they don't know slash lying.
1:31
SPEAKER_03: Which I like to use lying that they just don't know.
1:34
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they do that sometimes, or like I like to say, they're either dumb or they're playing dumb.
1:38
SPEAKER_03: Correct.
1:39
SPEAKER_01: So tonight we're going to um put a lot of the dumb stuff to rest.
1:44
SPEAKER_01: And if you're confused by some of the stupid things your supervisors have told you, you're not alone.
1:49
SPEAKER_01: Correct.
1:50
SPEAKER_01: And I've got a huge list that I came up with of stupid things that I've heard supervisors do.
1:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:56
SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to go through those tonight and also just answer all of your questions.
2:00
SPEAKER_01: Um, do us a favor tonight.
2:02
SPEAKER_01: I'd like you to put in the comments some of the dumb things you your supervisors have told you that you wish you wouldn't have listened to.
2:10
SPEAKER_01: But remember, she's got to read them.
2:12
SPEAKER_01: So if you could keep them to a thousand words or less, that would be great.
2:16
SPEAKER_03: Or unless after the chat, when I go tomorrow or Friday and reread it, I can go through fully if you want to put something private and don't want to list it all here right now.
2:28
SPEAKER_01: So um we posted that video.
2:31
SPEAKER_01: I'm assuming a lot of you saw the video, and um ask for you to put in the comments some of the dumb things you've heard supervisors say.
2:39
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
2:40
SPEAKER_01: Uh you can read some of those tonight too.
2:42
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah.
2:43
SPEAKER_01: But for right now, she's sharing.
2:44
SPEAKER_01: Let me share.
2:45
SPEAKER_01: And you can do the same thing.
2:46
SPEAKER_01: Share this video to your friends.
2:48
SPEAKER_01: If you want to just put your friend's name in the comment, you can do at and your friend's name.
2:52
SPEAKER_01: And that way they get a notification that we're doing this.
2:55
SPEAKER_01: But um, I think tonight is a really important night.
2:58
SPEAKER_01: Every time we do woodshed night, it's a lot of fun for me because we're taking supervisors back behind the woodshed, not inside the woodshed.
3:05
SPEAKER_01: She made the mistake once of saying we're gonna take them in the woodshed.
3:08
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
3:08
SPEAKER_01: That's where inside that's where the bar's at and all the the appetizers.
3:13
SPEAKER_01: They don't get to go in there.
3:14
SPEAKER_02: Oh, they don't get appetizers?
3:15
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
3:16
SPEAKER_01: They go out back, and um, but again, we're not promoting violence, it's just words, people don't use actual violence on supervisors or anybody else.
3:26
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but let's get some uh I'm just I'm sharing, and I see that I'm for some reason I'm on a page that's called bitch what the F.
3:39
SPEAKER_01: Some people have some creative names.
3:41
SPEAKER_01: I like it.
3:42
SPEAKER_02: So let's talk about some housekeeping while I'm sharing.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: And hello to Maria, to Norax, and to Linda.
3:50
SPEAKER_03: Oh Linda, you're still resting.
3:52
SPEAKER_03: Good.
3:52
SPEAKER_03: Remember, Linda had surgery last week.
3:54
SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, thanks for being with us a week after surgery.
3:58
SPEAKER_03: Um you guys see these?
4:00
SPEAKER_03: This one here, Thursday, October 22nd.
4:04
SPEAKER_03: We are heading to West Springfield, Massachusetts.
4:08
SPEAKER_03: And those of you that are in Springfield, Massachusetts, just to let you know, Chris's idol lives in Springfield, Massachusetts.
4:16
SPEAKER_03: And his name is Aaron Lewis.
4:19
SPEAKER_03: Aaron Lewis is from Springfield, Massachusetts.
4:21
SPEAKER_03: So if anybody knows him out there, tell him we're coming.
4:24
SPEAKER_03: We've had we've had several pictures with him personally.
4:27
SPEAKER_01: We met him a few times, yeah.
4:28
SPEAKER_03: So uh tell him we're coming.
4:30
SPEAKER_01: And uh the last time we mentioned Aaron Lewis, somebody gave me like a really hard-hitting political comment.
4:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it no, hold on, no, I got this.
4:39
SPEAKER_01: Forget the politics.
4:40
SPEAKER_01: Aaron Lewis is the greatest voice on radio, period.
4:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so don't argue with that because I don't like for people to be wrong.
4:48
SPEAKER_03: So oh, so we have hold on, I'm still trying to share to all these creatures.
4:54
SPEAKER_03: So we have West Springfield, Massachusetts, October 22nd is coming up.
4:58
SPEAKER_03: It's gonna be at the courtyard Marriott.
5:00
SPEAKER_01: You know, she looks like the weather lady right now.
5:02
SPEAKER_02: I do, right?
5:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:03
SPEAKER_02: So over here is going to be a little chilly.
5:07
SPEAKER_03: Um, so anybody that lives in Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, you're welcome to come to this.
5:14
SPEAKER_03: It's a free event.
5:15
SPEAKER_01: Open to everybody.
5:16
SPEAKER_03: It is our two-hour OWCP training.
5:20
SPEAKER_03: We normally do like a three, three and a half hour training when we do state or national conventions, but this one, there's certain things we don't have to say to everybody that we're gonna squeeze in everything in two hours.
5:32
SPEAKER_03: There's gonna be drinks and appetizers, and then the next one is St.
5:36
SPEAKER_03: George, Utah.
5:37
SPEAKER_03: So those of you that are in Arizona and Nevada, like literally from Las Vegas, because we have an office in Las Vegas, we have an office in Arizona, we have an office in Nevada.
5:49
SPEAKER_01: Um Reno and Vegas.
5:50
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you guys can attend this as you want.
5:53
SPEAKER_03: That's gonna be Thursday, November 5th.
5:55
SPEAKER_03: So if you're in the area, come on down to St.
6:00
SPEAKER_03: George, Utah.
6:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we have a lot of fun at these.
6:02
SPEAKER_01: Um, it's if you're new, you're thinking you're probably thinking OWCP training, that sounds boring.
6:08
SPEAKER_01: It's it's really not.
6:09
SPEAKER_01: Seriously, it's not boring.
6:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, we have a good time with it, and you learn some things that I guarantee you didn't know already.
6:15
SPEAKER_01: And you can tell your friends, or better yet, you can bring your friends and they can hear it for themselves.
6:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
6:21
SPEAKER_03: We make it super duper fun.
6:24
SPEAKER_01: If I can just hello to Tony and Amy.
6:27
SPEAKER_03: Tony and Amy.
6:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Tony and Amy right there.
6:30
SPEAKER_03: How are you guys?
6:31
SPEAKER_03: All right, let me ask you guys something before we get started.
6:35
SPEAKER_03: Did anybody watch NCIS last night?
6:37
SPEAKER_01: So you should.
6:38
SPEAKER_01: I said Tony.
6:39
SPEAKER_03: He said Tony.
6:40
SPEAKER_03: I am obsessed.
6:42
SPEAKER_03: I don't I don't think there's anybody more obsessed with Anthony Dinozo and Ziva than me and Gibbs like that show.
6:49
SPEAKER_03: I could live off of it every day.
6:50
SPEAKER_03: I watch it every day, almost when I'm just cooking or we have we're just uh you know, I'm studying or something.
6:58
SPEAKER_03: And um last night it actually made me cry.
7:03
SPEAKER_03: It was so good.
7:04
SPEAKER_03: It was so good seeing um certain characters come back and join us.
7:10
SPEAKER_03: All right, so that you know, tonight we are discussing uh supervisors.
7:15
SPEAKER_03: We're gonna educate you on the rules, laws, and regulations that supervisors are supposed to follow, but they don't follow, or they they refuse to follow.
7:24
SPEAKER_01: Or they just don't know or they act like they don't.
7:26
SPEAKER_02: Maria, she loves NCIS.
7:28
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
7:30
SPEAKER_02: All right, let's see these questions here.
7:32
SPEAKER_02: But let's before we get into the questions, let's see.
7:35
SPEAKER_01: That was it, the ones you saw down there, starting right there.
7:39
SPEAKER_03: All right.
7:41
SPEAKER_03: So as Chris is uh educating, this is the time to take notes because there's a lot of rules, laws, and regulations.
7:49
SPEAKER_03: Get a pen and a paper or your phone or whatever your recording device, and remember this because a lot of this is going to be very helpful for those of you that are new to our page and don't know how to stand up for yourselves with some of these supervisors harassing you, which they should not be harassing you.
8:08
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
8:09
SPEAKER_01: So let's start by getting into that first one.
8:11
SPEAKER_01: I gave.
8:12
SPEAKER_01: All right, read that one.
8:14
SPEAKER_03: I gave all right, that is from Lori Murphy on YouTube.
8:19
SPEAKER_03: I gave my postmaster the OWCP 5C stating my restrictions.
8:24
SPEAKER_03: Oh, maybe you guys will hear me better if I have the mic.
8:28
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
8:28
SPEAKER_03: Oh, crap.
8:29
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
8:30
SPEAKER_03: I gave my postmaster the OWCP 5C stating my restrictions, and he asked what my intentions are and if I was going to resign for medical retirement.
8:40
SPEAKER_03: Same postmaster that made me sign it under him for a full 10-hour day when I was at 60 hours going into the day.
8:50
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
8:51
SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, you're out on a on work injury, and he asked if you're gonna take medical retirement.
8:57
SPEAKER_01: No.
8:58
SPEAKER_01: No.
8:58
SPEAKER_01: Now, look, maybe some people might need medical retirement, but that's a medical decision, it's not a supervisor's decision.
9:04
SPEAKER_01: You know, that's it one I haven't heard before.
9:07
SPEAKER_01: Um, I've heard um somebody in Alabama said, Oh, you got injured, so we think the best thing for you to do right now is to resign.
9:15
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
9:16
SPEAKER_01: That's ridiculous, and that person no longer works at that post office, um, or any of them.
9:22
SPEAKER_01: So that's crazy.
9:24
SPEAKER_01: But uh asking if you're gonna take medical retirement, that's nuts.
9:29
SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna resign.
9:31
SPEAKER_01: You're just gonna okay.
9:34
SPEAKER_01: You're just gonna get better and get back to work full duty.
9:37
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, that's ridiculous.
9:38
SPEAKER_01: Uh, what did Jessica say there?
9:40
SPEAKER_03: Jessica said, I wish I would have known about getting reimbursement for travel expenses while on OWCP.
9:46
SPEAKER_03: Let me tell you guys this right now, off the bat.
9:48
SPEAKER_03: I don't know what it is about the CA7, the CA17, and the CA16, and sometimes the CA7A, the OWCP 915 and 957.
10:01
SPEAKER_03: You guys literally for the last two months, that is basically what you guys want to know.
10:07
SPEAKER_03: So, next week, I'm telling you now, so get prepared.
10:10
SPEAKER_03: All of those that are asking about your mileage reimbursement, your medical reimbursement, all of that, we're gonna cover that next week because for some odd reason, this that is one of the biggest topics you guys ask.
10:22
SPEAKER_03: We we Chris posted yesterday the video that I made him do.
10:26
SPEAKER_03: And under it, you guys are asking more CA7 issues and reimbursement.
10:30
SPEAKER_03: And last week's video that got almost 10,000 views that uh I had Chris do.
10:36
SPEAKER_03: All you guys are asking about the CA7, OWCP 915, what about my mileage?
10:41
SPEAKER_03: So we're gonna get into that next wait.
10:46
SPEAKER_01: Wait, wait, not next week, not next week, not for the next two weeks.
10:52
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be back on the 28th.
10:54
SPEAKER_03: The 28th.
10:55
SPEAKER_03: And I'll I'll put that out there.
10:56
SPEAKER_03: We're gonna do some videos.
10:58
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because we're actually going here.
11:00
SPEAKER_03: Um, we are actually, like you guys heard last week, we're going to BYU and Notre Dame.
11:08
SPEAKER_03: Which I don't know about this game this year, who's gonna win, but BYU.
11:12
SPEAKER_01: Answer this question before we get to the BYU lost last year.
11:14
SPEAKER_01: So she wish she would have known about the mileage reimbursement.
11:17
SPEAKER_01: So this is an OWCP 957, and you have one year from the date of the mileage to turn it in.
11:26
SPEAKER_01: Um, so you're not gonna get it reimbursed until your claim's approved, anyways, but go ahead and turn it in like right away.
11:32
SPEAKER_01: You can e-comp it.
11:34
SPEAKER_01: The thing that people don't realize is you also have to attach documentation.
11:37
SPEAKER_01: So, where were you, right?
11:39
SPEAKER_01: You went to the doctor, okay.
11:40
SPEAKER_01: So get a printout of your doctor's appointment.
11:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm not talking about your doctor's notes, I'm talking about just like a printout of the appointment showing that you were there.
11:48
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then get the mileage off the internet, like Google Maps or something, and attach those things and send that in.
11:55
SPEAKER_01: You can get reimbursed, and you people don't realize, and it's too bad because you can get paid up to a hundred miles round trip to drive, but you can be paid for taxi, Uber, Lyft, Waymo.
12:06
SPEAKER_01: Waymo's a new thing, the self-driving cars.
12:08
SPEAKER_01: Waymo's um with prior authorization from the claims examiner, you can get uh reimbursed for uh um hotels, for airfare, and even food.
12:18
SPEAKER_01: So there's a lot of things that you can be reimbursed for that most people don't know.
12:22
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I wish you would have known that too.
12:24
SPEAKER_01: And uh thanks for bringing it up.
12:25
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
12:26
SPEAKER_03: Frank, how are you, Frank?
12:28
SPEAKER_03: What's up, Frank?
12:28
SPEAKER_03: Tenora, hello from Portland Injury Centers.
12:31
SPEAKER_03: Hey, Amy, filed paperwork twice.
12:34
SPEAKER_03: That is three letters, L-O-L, that made them more cooperative, L-O-L.
12:40
SPEAKER_03: So let me before I say answer we try to answer this.
12:43
SPEAKER_03: Are you saying L-O-L as in Lando Lakes, Federal Injury Centers of Lando Lakes, or are you saying L O L like laughing out loud?
12:51
SPEAKER_03: That's what I just need to know, just so I know where we where we're at.
12:54
SPEAKER_01: She filed something that made them more cooperative.
12:56
SPEAKER_01: I'd love to know what that was.
12:57
SPEAKER_03: What if your claim, Amy, is not approved yet after 15 months?
13:01
SPEAKER_03: Should I file for mileage before the claim is approved?
13:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you've got to file for the mileage within 12 months of incurring the mileage.
13:08
SPEAKER_01: Um, otherwise, you're never gonna get reimbursed.
13:11
SPEAKER_01: So that stops the clock.
13:12
SPEAKER_01: So definitely do that.
13:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:13
SPEAKER_01: But let's deal with your claim not being approved for 15 months.
13:17
SPEAKER_01: Um, they send you a letter that's a denial letter, and it says specifically your claim is denied because there's a paragraph that says that.
13:24
SPEAKER_01: So we need to figure that out.
13:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, 15 months is a long time to not have an approved claim.
13:28
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
13:29
SPEAKER_03: All right, I hope you're going to a doctor that knows what he's doing.
13:31
SPEAKER_03: I mean, that shouldn't be 15 months.
13:33
SPEAKER_03: That's crazy.
13:35
SPEAKER_03: Uh Linda, the travel reimbursement reimbursement form is now a 957 B.
13:45
SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
13:46
SPEAKER_03: Thank you for telling me that.
13:48
SPEAKER_03: So we can go back, we can go and you know take a look at all of that and make sure we understand that it's now the B.
13:56
SPEAKER_03: No laughing.
13:57
SPEAKER_03: Oh, EEO.
13:58
SPEAKER_03: Okay, okay.
13:59
SPEAKER_03: So that's what she meant.
14:00
SPEAKER_03: Amy meant EEO, the three letters.
14:02
SPEAKER_03: I got it.
14:03
SPEAKER_03: Uh, I'm still at home waiting for management to say they have work for me at my five-pound restrictions.
14:09
SPEAKER_03: That's Patrice Norwood.
14:11
SPEAKER_02: Hello, Patrice.
14:12
SPEAKER_02: Hey, hey.
14:15
SPEAKER_03: What that I guess she wants an answer for that.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: I'm still at home waiting for management to say they have work for me at my five-pound restriction.
14:21
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
14:22
SPEAKER_01: Hold on.
14:23
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, in a second.
14:25
SPEAKER_01: So they're five-pound restriction.
14:28
SPEAKER_01: Good luck there.
14:30
SPEAKER_01: But they are required to give you a uh limited duty offer or at least make every effort possible to find that for you.
14:38
SPEAKER_01: But this is one of those uh stupid things that supervisors do is that once they find it, they say, here, sign this, and you're told to sign under duress or under protest, which is not in the rules.
14:48
SPEAKER_01: Um, you have 30 days to show this to your doctor from the time your claims examiner tells you that it's a suitable job offer, not from the day your supervisor tells you.
14:58
SPEAKER_01: So the code of federal regulations says you have 30 days, and that 30 days is used to review it with your doctor to make sure that it is an actual valid job offer that keeps you safe based on your CA 17 restrictions.
15:09
SPEAKER_01: That's another thing supervisors do, and shame on them for that because you're not a doctor and you don't know if these restrictions are good or not.
15:16
SPEAKER_01: And then the other thing they do is they get you there.
15:19
SPEAKER_01: Now you're there on your restrictions, and they say, Yeah, forget that.
15:22
SPEAKER_01: Just do your job.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: And then they go, um, they don't follow the restrictions anymore on the CA 17, which is not good.
15:29
SPEAKER_01: So when that happens, you want to follow grievance on that because that is definitely against the rules.
15:34
SPEAKER_03: Amy says, Yes, this is Amy you talked to last week, and I'm on my second reconsideration.
15:39
SPEAKER_03: Complicated case.
15:39
SPEAKER_03: I emailed the info.
15:42
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so you emailed your info at info at federal energy centers.
15:45
SPEAKER_03: Okay, I'm gonna make sure that they uh respond back to you.
15:49
SPEAKER_03: I was put off the clock December 5th, 2025.
15:55
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
15:56
SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's uh a long time to be off the clock.
15:59
SPEAKER_03: All right, we got Jerry.
16:01
SPEAKER_03: Jerry Gatewood is on here.
16:03
SPEAKER_01: That's my girl.
16:04
SPEAKER_01: Hello, Jerry.
16:05
SPEAKER_03: My mom, Ivy.
16:06
SPEAKER_03: Ma uh we celebrated my dad's 77th birthday this week.
16:12
SPEAKER_01: She was given a job offer, but it was rescinded after the manager found out I filed a grievance.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: Well, file another grievance then.
16:20
SPEAKER_01: They can't rescind a valid job offer because you filed a grievance.
16:24
SPEAKER_01: That's punitive.
16:25
SPEAKER_01: All right.
16:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure your union's not gonna like that very much.
16:28
SPEAKER_01: Let them know.
16:29
SPEAKER_01: All right.
16:30
SPEAKER_01: That's a new one, by the way.
16:31
SPEAKER_01: I haven't heard that one before.
16:32
SPEAKER_03: All right, let's get into the some rules, laws, and regulations when the supervisors tell you, no, I'm not filling out your form.
16:40
SPEAKER_03: No, I'm not signing your CA 17, and no, I don't even know what a CA 16 is.
16:45
SPEAKER_01: That's not really rules, laws, and regulations on the CA 17.
16:48
SPEAKER_01: It's more like the instructions form that's the last page of the form that says you have to fill out side A that says supervisor, and side B is for a physician.
16:57
SPEAKER_01: And A always comes before B, like every single time.
17:01
SPEAKER_01: Every time I tried doing the alphabet, you know, A, B, C, D, E, F G, I never get to start with B.
17:05
SPEAKER_01: It's always A.
17:07
SPEAKER_01: Every single time.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: So supervisors come first.
17:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, so there's not really a rule on that, but the CA 16 is really interesting because the rule on that says that they have four hours from the claim to injury to give it to you.
17:19
SPEAKER_01: Somebody's asking now, what's a CA 16?
17:21
SPEAKER_01: Not a big deal.
17:22
SPEAKER_01: It just pays all your medical bills for the first 60 days on a CA1 claim that's filed within 30 days.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: Now, what I just said to you just kind of rolls off my tongue.
17:31
SPEAKER_01: It's easy for me, but I just confuse you.
17:34
SPEAKER_01: A CA 16 is good for 60 days of pay when you file a CA1 within 30 days of the injury, and they have four hours to give it to you.
17:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
17:44
SPEAKER_01: That's a lot.
17:45
SPEAKER_01: But the bottom line is you have a way to get your medical bills paid for that first two months, and for some reason, supervisors don't want to give it to you, like it's money out of their own pocket.
17:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:54
SPEAKER_01: And it's not money out of their own pocket, it's just preventing you from paying money out of your pocket.
17:59
SPEAKER_01: So it's really, really important.
18:01
SPEAKER_01: And when you don't get it, you file a grievance on that too.
18:04
SPEAKER_01: They have to give you a CA 16 within four hours of the claimed injury.
18:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:08
SPEAKER_01: Now, supervisors will say, Well, you're not hurt bad enough.
18:11
SPEAKER_01: Uh, well, that's not the stipulation and the rule.
18:14
SPEAKER_01: The rule says I have to file my injury within 30 days.
18:17
SPEAKER_01: No, excuse me, seven days.
18:19
SPEAKER_01: I gotta file it within seven days.
18:21
SPEAKER_01: That's what I need to get CA 16.
18:23
SPEAKER_01: And also, unless your eyes have x-ray, you can't see what's going on inside of me.
18:28
SPEAKER_01: And even if they do, you don't have a medical license, so it doesn't matter.
18:31
SPEAKER_01: Give me my CA 16.
18:32
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
18:33
SPEAKER_03: You guys have to be able to stand up for yourselves.
18:37
SPEAKER_03: I know we know that when you guys do stand up for yourself, or you go to the union, or you talk to your stewards, they retaliate against you.
18:45
SPEAKER_03: You have to learn to stand up for yourself.
18:47
SPEAKER_03: This is your life and your injury and your body.
18:50
SPEAKER_03: They're not gonna help you.
18:52
SPEAKER_03: Sean, looks cold there.
18:54
SPEAKER_03: Ooh, Sean, this part of Florida is freezing.
18:59
SPEAKER_03: This is a complicated case, Chris said he would like to take a look at the at last week.
19:03
SPEAKER_03: I kind of feel like if I submit reimbursement for mileage for 15 months of doctor's appointments, this is not gonna encourage them to approve my claim.
19:11
SPEAKER_01: No, so it's not going to encourage them or discourage them.
19:14
SPEAKER_01: There's a hard, fast rule.
19:16
SPEAKER_01: You gotta you gotta meet the 12-month deadline.
19:18
SPEAKER_01: So just do it so you don't lose the money.
19:21
SPEAKER_01: Um, that's not gonna affect your claim for sure.
19:23
SPEAKER_03: She said the key though is you have to request a CA 16.
19:27
SPEAKER_03: Management is not gonna volunteer it.
19:28
SPEAKER_03: My manager controverted my COP and the union refused to file.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: Oh boy.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: Well, so I don't know why managers uh want to controvert COP.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: They think it's coming out of their pocket there too.
19:40
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
19:41
SPEAKER_01: But um, the doctor's medical report is gonna win the day.
19:44
SPEAKER_01: So I wouldn't worry too much about that.
19:46
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
19:48
SPEAKER_03: Sean says Ronaldo is about to file a grievance.
19:51
SPEAKER_03: He needs Chris and Juni.
19:52
SPEAKER_03: Yes, I saw that.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna get derailed again.
19:56
SPEAKER_01: Here we go.
19:57
SPEAKER_01: All right, so I did some things here because um now I'm gonna keep answering your questions, so keep these coming.
20:02
SPEAKER_01: These are good.
20:02
SPEAKER_01: But I have a list of things that I have heard supervisors do that I think are just completely stupid.
20:08
SPEAKER_01: And maybe this will just get your you know, your juices flowing, your thinking cap on.
20:13
SPEAKER_01: You can tell me things that have happened to you.
20:14
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: Um, they act like they decide whether a claim is approved.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: This is a big one.
20:20
SPEAKER_01: And people think my supervisor is trying to get my claim denied.
20:23
SPEAKER_01: They can't do it.
20:24
SPEAKER_01: They think they can, but when they start writing stuff on the uh second page of the CA1, especially the CA1, they have to tell the truth.
20:32
SPEAKER_01: So if the truth is that you're not hurt, then you're not hurt.
20:36
SPEAKER_01: But if they start saying things that aren't true, at the bottom of the second page, they have to certify that everything on here is true to the best of their knowledge.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: And it's a crime to file a false or fraudulent claim or statement in connection with a claim under FICA.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: So they could actually go to jail or be fined for lying on your CA1 form.
20:54
SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
20:55
SPEAKER_01: So they act like they decide whether a claim is approved.
20:58
SPEAKER_01: They have no um, that's not part of the decision making.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: It's the doctor that decides if your claim is approved, along with the claimed examiner, of course.
21:07
SPEAKER_01: Um, another thing they do is they tell an employee that they cannot file because nobody saw it happen.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: Right.
21:12
SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what?
21:13
SPEAKER_01: There's an actual case that that happened.
21:15
SPEAKER_01: This is if you've heard me talk about Gilbert, uh, this guy hurt himself and there was nobody there to see it.
21:20
SPEAKER_01: And the supervisor basically said, uh-uh, nobody would, nobody saw it.
21:24
SPEAKER_01: And for like eight years, this guy's claim was denied until we found him, or he found us.
21:28
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
21:29
SPEAKER_01: And he got a witness statement eight years later from the person he lifted where he hurt his back.
21:35
SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
21:36
SPEAKER_01: Thank God that person was still alive.
21:38
SPEAKER_01: And um, it doesn't matter if nobody saw it happen.
21:41
SPEAKER_01: Okay, you woke up this morning and you were feeling just fine, and then you got to work and you hurt yourself, and now you're not feeling fine anymore.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: Hmm, I wonder if it was a work injury.
21:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, probably so.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, the supervisors refused to process a claim because they disagree with it.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: Well, if all it took was for them to disagree.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: With it to not process a claim, no claim would ever get processed.
22:03
SPEAKER_01: I've never seen a supervisor that just agreed with it.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: And also, we don't care.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: We don't need them to agree with it.
22:10
unknown: No.
22:11
SPEAKER_01: You can interrupt me anytime if there's more questions coming in.
22:13
SPEAKER_03: Um we got Lasille said, scene pain management doctor, and he recommends chiropractic therapy for my back.
22:20
SPEAKER_03: Do I need to get authorization from OWCP before making appointments?
22:24
SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
22:25
SPEAKER_01: No, you don't need to do that.
22:26
SPEAKER_01: You have the right to choose your own doctor.
22:28
SPEAKER_01: Now you have to understand a chiropractor is very limited in what they can do.
22:33
SPEAKER_01: And I love chiropractors.
22:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, we we have chiropractors in almost every office we have.
22:38
SPEAKER_01: But they're able to do chiropractic adjustments, they can do x-rays to diagnose the uh subluxations, and they can do uh services in the nature of physical therapy.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: Um, so they can do those things, but they cannot be your treating doctor.
22:51
SPEAKER_01: That's very important because they're not technically a physician in FICA unless they're doing chiropractic.
22:57
SPEAKER_03: Correct.
22:57
SPEAKER_03: Oh, let's see here.
23:00
SPEAKER_03: Gina Riggins.
23:01
SPEAKER_03: Hello.
23:03
SPEAKER_03: Have an have a newly approved CA2 claim.
23:07
SPEAKER_03: I just submitted my CA7, CA7A because it's dated back to December 3rd, 25.
23:14
SPEAKER_04: Good.
23:14
SPEAKER_03: I didn't realize my issue was because of work until my physical therapist told me work and the long hours were making it worse.
23:22
SPEAKER_03: So I went to a federal injury center, and now I'm wondering if I can claim the time lost from where I was doing physical therapy twice a week for condition before realizing it was because of work.
23:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you definitely can, but you have 12 months to get that in.
23:36
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so you your time is gonna be cutting it short.
23:39
SPEAKER_03: You're in October.
23:40
SPEAKER_03: You have two mines.
23:41
SPEAKER_01: So go ahead and start filling your CA 7s out right now.
23:43
SPEAKER_01: You're if it's uh intermittent time, you need a CA7A as well.
23:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, but get that turned in, even if your claim's not accepted yet.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely do that.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, you're gonna need some documentation to go with your CA 7s, so you're gonna need a printout of your appointments where you're at, um, a CA 17, a CA20, and a disability narrative from your doctor.
24:04
SPEAKER_01: That's a report that the doctor is explaining why you medically needed to be out of work.
24:08
SPEAKER_03: Correct.
24:08
SPEAKER_01: Very important that you have those things.
24:10
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
24:10
SPEAKER_03: Uh Patrice said, I had a manager to dispute my CA1.
24:15
SPEAKER_03: It was initially, it was initially, initially denied.
24:21
SPEAKER_03: He stated he had statements against me and I did not report the accident.
24:24
SPEAKER_03: I did a reconsideration and it was approved.
24:27
SPEAKER_03: I sent the email where I reported the accident nine minutes after it happened.
24:31
SPEAKER_03: Good job.
24:32
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
24:32
SPEAKER_03: You guys have to do all your little homework on your own.
24:35
SPEAKER_03: And I'm telling you, you have to stand up to these supervisors and management.
24:40
SPEAKER_03: It is your life, your body, your money.
24:43
SPEAKER_03: I don't know how many times to say that.
24:45
SPEAKER_03: And if you don't take care of yourself, you're just gonna have to.
24:48
SPEAKER_03: What is it that the lady said earlier?
24:50
SPEAKER_03: Do like leave early.
24:51
SPEAKER_03: What was it that she said that they were making her do?
24:54
SPEAKER_03: Retirement.
24:55
SPEAKER_03: They're gonna make you retire early.
24:56
SPEAKER_01: They can't make you do that, but you know what I mean.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: They sure want you to.
24:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
25:01
SPEAKER_03: Um, let's see.
25:02
SPEAKER_03: That's a long one.
25:04
SPEAKER_03: Um, Gina said I submitted it, but it was intermittent, intermittent time.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: Good.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: That's a CA7A to go with it.
25:14
SPEAKER_03: Nancy Lopez.
25:16
SPEAKER_03: Oh, Jerry said hi, Gina.
25:18
SPEAKER_03: Jerry's on my personal page.
25:20
unknown: Okay.
25:21
SPEAKER_03: Nancy Lopez.
25:22
SPEAKER_03: I have a friend that was injured on July 9th, 2026.
25:26
SPEAKER_03: She had only been with the post office for one year, and she did not know the process of a CA1 and that she could report the injury.
25:34
SPEAKER_03: She injured her ankle, her back, and her hands because she fell due to the fact that the supervisor was following her on her route and telling her to hurry up and do her job.
25:44
SPEAKER_01: Oh, what that supervisor needs to be taken out behind the woodshed.
25:49
SPEAKER_03: You, she said, you, she, no, you, she had a satchel on her waist.
25:56
SPEAKER_03: My question is, she did not notify.
26:01
SPEAKER_03: She did not notify or did the CA1, but the supervisor saw when she fell.
26:05
SPEAKER_03: And then afterwards, a month later, someone told my friend that she needed to do a CA1, but she did it late.
26:13
SPEAKER_03: Now, now she's not awarded the COP due to the fact that she reported her injury on 8821.
26:23
SPEAKER_03: Or what should she do?
26:25
SPEAKER_03: Or what can she say to get her COP back or paid?
26:28
SPEAKER_03: At least, can she do a grievance?
26:30
SPEAKER_03: What should she do?
26:31
SPEAKER_01: So COP is only good for 45 days.
26:33
SPEAKER_01: After 45 days, you can't have it anyways.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: So if it's been more than 45 days, that's just that ship is selled.
26:39
SPEAKER_01: It's done.
26:39
SPEAKER_01: But the other thing is the supervisor saw it happen, so that should account as reporting.
26:45
SPEAKER_01: I disagree.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: The rules are pretty clear that you have to report your injury.
26:51
SPEAKER_01: You have to report the injury.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: So the supervisor saw it happen.
26:55
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
26:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, but the rule doesn't say report your injury unless the supervisor saw it happen.
27:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
27:01
SPEAKER_01: So that's probably where she went wrong.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: The assumption that the supervisor would just do the right thing, never, ever, ever make that assumption.
27:08
SPEAKER_01: So tell all your friends, report your injury now.
27:11
SPEAKER_01: Um, if you wait more than seven days, you can't have a CA16.
27:15
SPEAKER_01: More than 30 days, you can't have COP.
27:18
SPEAKER_01: In this case, probably the 45-day uh window passed anyways, and so COP is not going to be available anymore.
27:24
SPEAKER_01: Now, with that said, a supervisor can go back and um recode the time to continuation of pay.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: They can do it, but they don't have to do it.
27:35
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna require somebody to be a nice person, and I'm not seeing that happen.
27:38
SPEAKER_03: And Nancy, if you didn't know, everyone has three years to file their claim from the date it happened.
27:45
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, now so she has plenty of time.
27:48
SPEAKER_03: She can still July 9th of 2026.
27:50
SPEAKER_01: That's recently.
27:51
SPEAKER_01: She has three years.
27:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and if she's you know still got a problem, she should.
27:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, but COP's gone.
27:57
SPEAKER_01: That's just how that goes.
27:59
SPEAKER_03: Amy Waltz.
28:00
SPEAKER_03: NA NALC has done a terrible job of educating.
28:03
SPEAKER_01: Well, hold on, before we move on.
28:05
SPEAKER_01: The supervisor told her to withdraw the CA1.
28:08
SPEAKER_03: What?
28:09
SPEAKER_01: No, that's the answer.
28:11
SPEAKER_01: No.
28:11
SPEAKER_03: Ah, holy cow.
28:12
SPEAKER_01: You don't withdraw.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: If it's a valid CA1, if the injury actually happened in a single shift, you don't withdraw it.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: The only thing to do is to file it.
28:22
SPEAKER_01: It's the right thing to do.
28:23
SPEAKER_01: The wrong thing to do is withdraw it.
28:26
SPEAKER_01: Always tell the truth in all things.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: And in this case, withdrawing it would be saying I didn't get hurt.
28:31
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's not true.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: So definitely do not follow that.
28:34
SPEAKER_03: I can't believe they said that.
28:35
SPEAKER_03: That's crazy.
28:36
SPEAKER_03: Then again, that's a supervisor.
28:38
SPEAKER_03: So Amy says, NALC has done a terrible job of educating carriers on how to handle an injury.
28:44
SPEAKER_03: My stewards know nothing other than file on e-comp and a magical fairy approves your claim.
28:50
SPEAKER_03: My manager lied on the second page of the CA1 and said, I told her a pill made me sick.
28:56
SPEAKER_03: Then the local OW OWCP USPS specialist then repeated what the manager told her.
29:02
SPEAKER_03: They controverted because I had a pre-existing condition but did not argue.
29:06
SPEAKER_03: But aggravation of the pre-existing condition is compensate compensable compensable.
29:12
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
29:13
SPEAKER_03: Union and contract says it is, and I have approved it before.
29:17
SPEAKER_03: Seems fishy, the USPS OWCP specialist, was allowed to complete and sign the section of the form, which was to be completed by my immediate supervisor.
29:27
SPEAKER_03: Is this allowed?
29:28
SPEAKER_03: Ooh.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:30
SPEAKER_01: Um it doesn't have to be your supervisor.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: In a lot of cases, it's an injury cop person.
29:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, that's okay too.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: It can be an HR person.
29:37
SPEAKER_01: That's okay too.
29:38
SPEAKER_01: But it's not okay if you put pen to paper, or in this case you're typing it because it says a CA1, um, you've got to tell the truth.
29:45
SPEAKER_01: At the bottom, they are certifying that everything on there is true to the best of their knowledge, with the following exceptions, right?
29:52
SPEAKER_01: So if everything they write on there is not true and then they sign it saying it is true, they they broke the law.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: That's not okay.
30:01
SPEAKER_01: Fine, imprisonment, or both is what uh the end of that rule says.
30:06
SPEAKER_03: Amy says, Gina, I'm gonna go back to your question a minute.
30:10
SPEAKER_03: I just want to finish this one.
30:11
SPEAKER_03: Amy says, so am I too late to submit any CA7 for the first three months of my injury since it's 15 months ago?
30:19
SPEAKER_03: Management stole my sick leave instead of using COP.
30:23
SPEAKER_03: I've had various lengths of incapacity in the last 15 months.
30:28
SPEAKER_03: I thought I had a year once the claim was approved.
30:31
SPEAKER_03: Major issue is my doctor is pissed that he has had to write so many notes for me for incapacity for causal medical narrative for EEO, etc.
30:41
SPEAKER_01: Well, I hate that your doctor's mad, but that's the job of the doctor.
30:44
SPEAKER_01: Um, I would still turn in the CA7s, even though it's 15 months.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: I would do it anyways.
30:48
SPEAKER_01: You're not breaking any rules by turning them in.
30:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: So definitely do that and make every effort to get paid back.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: Um and am I too late to submit any CA7 for the first three months of my injury?
30:59
SPEAKER_01: No, just turn it in.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: Um, I'd rather you turn it in than not.
31:03
SPEAKER_01: Just do it.
31:04
SPEAKER_03: Uh Gina, oh, she was she's responding to you, Amy.
31:08
SPEAKER_03: Uh the post office is terrible for lying.
31:11
SPEAKER_03: They put on my CA 17.
31:13
SPEAKER_03: I worked eight hours a day, five days a week.
31:15
SPEAKER_03: We are working 10 plus hours daily, six days a week.
31:18
SPEAKER_03: So crazy.
31:19
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
31:20
SPEAKER_03: You guys have to pay attention to these, to these paperwork.
31:24
SPEAKER_03: Really good.
31:24
SPEAKER_03: If you give it to some other supervisor or management to fill out for you, you shouldn't do that.
31:30
SPEAKER_03: They have one section they need to sign or fill out, and then that's it.
31:33
SPEAKER_03: Always check their work.
31:35
SPEAKER_03: And if it's not the truthful thing that they wrote, you need to fix it before you submit it to OWCP.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I've got some more things.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: My stuff is fun.
31:47
SPEAKER_01: Your stuff isn't because it actually happened to you, so I hate that.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I saw somebody that was told uh to wait a few days before reporting the injury.
31:57
SPEAKER_01: Well, that goes against one of my criticisms, which is the soonest thing, soonest possible time to do anything is now.
32:02
SPEAKER_01: So you report now, do not wait.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: When you start waiting a few days, guess what?
32:06
SPEAKER_01: You lost your CA 16, um, which is probably why they try try to do that.
32:11
SPEAKER_01: Um tell employees they must use the agency doctor.
32:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's another one.
32:17
SPEAKER_01: You have the right to choose your own doctor, and this is one that I hear all the time.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, you have to go see the VA doctor.
32:22
SPEAKER_01: You work here, or uh you're on this base.
32:25
SPEAKER_01: No, you got to go to the uh, you know, to the doctor on the base.
32:28
SPEAKER_01: No, you don't.
32:29
SPEAKER_01: I mean, look, you can, but tomorrow go choose, go, go to your own doctor.
32:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, some agencies work with uh urgent cares or just send people to urgent cares.
32:39
SPEAKER_01: Well, urgent cares are generally staffed by nurse practitioners who don't get counter signatures of medical doctors, so those claims are automatically denied too.
32:46
SPEAKER_01: You have the right to choose your own doctor.
32:48
SPEAKER_01: Nobody can get in the way of that right.
32:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, you can't be forced to go to a doctor that's employed by or under contract with your agency.
32:55
SPEAKER_01: Um, it is your absolute right to choose your own doctor, but supervisors break this rule more than any of them.
33:00
SPEAKER_01: That one, um, they break that rule and they break the CA 16 rule, I think, more than anything.
33:06
SPEAKER_01: Which is two things.
33:08
SPEAKER_01: Those two things, along with not getting COP, are the three most common reasons that someone's life spirals out of control when they get a work entry.
33:16
SPEAKER_01: They don't pick their own doctor, they don't get a CA16, and they don't get COP.
33:21
SPEAKER_01: That's really bad.
33:22
SPEAKER_01: You got to do all three of those things.
33:24
SPEAKER_03: I am looking uh today somebody sent me a message saying that their supervisor said they are not signing the paperwork because they are not injured.
33:35
SPEAKER_03: She literally twisted her ankle and it's like swollen up black and blue.
33:39
SPEAKER_03: So, supervisor, let me ask you this.
33:41
SPEAKER_03: You have x-ray vision and do you have a medical license?
33:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hey, guess what?
33:45
SPEAKER_01: The next thing I was gonna say is when supervisors play doctor.
33:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:49
SPEAKER_01: Like, how the hell do they know that doesn't look serious?
33:53
SPEAKER_01: What?
33:53
SPEAKER_01: How do you know if it looks serious?
33:56
SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but I'm not a doctor, but it hurts.
33:59
SPEAKER_01: They do this all the time.
34:00
SPEAKER_01: Uh or they assume no blood, no cast, no injury.
34:03
SPEAKER_01: Wait, what?
34:03
SPEAKER_01: How are you supposed to get a cast?
34:05
SPEAKER_01: I just got hurt.
34:06
SPEAKER_01: Oh, there's you're not bleeding.
34:07
SPEAKER_01: Rub some dirt on it, I always say.
34:09
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but supervisors shouldn't be able to do that, but they do it all the time.
34:12
SPEAKER_03: You cannot let them push you around.
34:13
SPEAKER_01: And then they say that pre-existing conditions can't be work-related.
34:17
SPEAKER_01: What?
34:18
SPEAKER_01: Of course it can.
34:19
SPEAKER_01: That's directly in the roles.
34:20
SPEAKER_01: A pre-existing condition that's exacerbated by the job is covered.
34:25
SPEAKER_01: So, any more questions?
34:27
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
34:27
SPEAKER_03: Thomas Shrogi, how are you?
34:31
SPEAKER_03: Uh, Pat Patty Ryan.
34:33
SPEAKER_01: By the way, Tom, Thomas, I didn't forget you.
34:35
SPEAKER_01: You and I need to talk because um I figured out what you got to do next.
34:39
SPEAKER_03: Give him a call tomorrow, Thomas.
34:40
SPEAKER_01: I know what to do next now.
34:42
SPEAKER_03: Patty, my case has not been approved, and my postmaster said I can't come back to work until my case gets approved.
34:50
SPEAKER_03: I was COP for 45 days.
34:52
SPEAKER_03: Is that why?
34:54
SPEAKER_01: Can you read that again?
34:56
SPEAKER_03: My case has not been approved, and my postmaster said I can't I can't come back to work until my case gets approved.
35:02
SPEAKER_03: That's a lie.
35:03
SPEAKER_01: That's not true.
35:04
SPEAKER_03: I I was on COP for 45 days.
35:06
SPEAKER_03: Is that is that why?
35:08
SPEAKER_03: No, he's lying to you.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: No, you can go back anytime you can go back.
35:11
SPEAKER_01: You know, when the doctor says, Yeah, you can go on back, they can let you come back.
35:15
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
35:16
SPEAKER_01: You can go back anytime you want to.
35:18
SPEAKER_01: Even if your doctor says you shouldn't, you still can because it's ultimately your decision.
35:22
SPEAKER_03: Some of the little fibbing that these supervisors do, I just want to take like something and just, you know, flick them in the air so hard.
35:29
SPEAKER_03: Maria said there.
35:30
SPEAKER_03: Hold on.
35:30
SPEAKER_03: Thomas said, I hate the government.
35:33
SPEAKER_03: 19 months of fighting this OWCP claim.
35:36
SPEAKER_03: Yes, he's he's a TSA guy.
35:38
SPEAKER_03: This happens to all of you, not just USPS.
35:42
SPEAKER_03: This happens in almost every federal government.
35:43
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna tell Thomas's story, but he's got a unique story.
35:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, I rarely see something I've never seen before.
35:49
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
35:50
SPEAKER_01: But Thomas, yours is one I hadn't seen before.
35:52
SPEAKER_01: And every time I think about it, I want to throw stuff.
35:54
SPEAKER_03: And when it gets when it does get approved, Thomas, we're gonna bring you on here and have you talk about it.
35:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because people are gonna learn from uh what happened with you.
36:01
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
36:02
SPEAKER_03: Uh Patrice said occupational health was submitting a referral to vocational rehab for me due to no work being available for me.
36:10
SPEAKER_03: I found that the occupational health specialist had not received anything from my postmaster since April.
36:16
SPEAKER_03: She was lying to meet her deadline.
36:18
SPEAKER_03: I submitted a letter to DOL and the OIG for falsifying information.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: That's a really good job.
36:23
SPEAKER_01: That's exactly what you do.
36:24
SPEAKER_01: OIG, I like it.
36:26
SPEAKER_03: It's scary that that had to happen, that they're even doing that.
36:29
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
36:30
SPEAKER_03: Amy said, I cannot prove she lied.
36:32
SPEAKER_03: I wrote a lengthy statement stating that she lied, that I uploaded the e-comp.
36:38
SPEAKER_03: The med I took would never have caused me to become violently ill.
36:41
SPEAKER_03: She continues to have various USPS reps, file agency responses that restate her lie, and that I told her the med made me sick.
36:50
SPEAKER_01: Anyone who files a false or fraudulent claim or statement in connection with the claim under FICA is committing a crime.
36:58
SPEAKER_01: I didn't write that.
37:00
SPEAKER_01: That's the rule.
37:00
SPEAKER_01: That's the rule.
37:01
SPEAKER_01: That's in the Code of Federal Regulations and the United States Code.
37:10
SPEAKER_03: I'll have one here and you'll have one there.
37:12
SPEAKER_01: Speaking my language.
37:13
SPEAKER_03: Uh Maria said, I waited for doctor to countersign.
37:17
SPEAKER_03: Nurse said, no need.
37:18
SPEAKER_03: Hmm.
37:19
SPEAKER_03: I said, yeah, I do need the doctor to sign.
37:21
SPEAKER_03: So Maria's been with us for a very long time, like Jerry.
37:25
SPEAKER_01: You're not getting over on Maria.
37:26
SPEAKER_03: Maria's not going to allow anybody, any of these supervisors to go past her.
37:30
SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
37:30
SPEAKER_01: The lesson there, and Jerry as well, like the lesson there is you really need to know your rights.
37:35
SPEAKER_01: You need to know the roles, your responsibilities.
37:38
SPEAKER_01: Because when you know this stuff, and that's what we're here for, we've been doing this for 10 years.
37:42
SPEAKER_01: Um when you know this stuff, the supervisors can't do this to you anymore.
37:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
37:46
SPEAKER_01: Because you know the deal.
37:47
SPEAKER_01: Like, no, I will take my CA 16 right now.
37:50
SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
37:51
SPEAKER_01: Or no, I will go and get my own doctor.
37:53
SPEAKER_01: Or no, I will not sign this limit duty offer under duress.
37:57
SPEAKER_01: That's not in the rules.
37:58
SPEAKER_01: You know, when you know the rules, you have the upper hand.
38:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
38:00
SPEAKER_01: And supervisors are going to push you around until you get the pushback.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: Not physically.
38:05
SPEAKER_01: Don't push people.
38:06
SPEAKER_03: Right.
38:07
SPEAKER_03: Um, just to pause real quick, so because all of you guys are on here.
38:11
SPEAKER_03: We are going to be in West Springfield, Massachusetts on Thursday, October 22nd from 5 to 9 at the courtyard by Marriott.
38:21
SPEAKER_03: Um, you'll have a little bit of appetizers, something to drink.
38:25
SPEAKER_03: Uh, we'll get to hang out.
38:26
SPEAKER_03: We are teaching our two-hour OWCP class.
38:31
SPEAKER_03: Um we will have our national case manager there.
38:36
SPEAKER_03: Probably two of them.
38:37
SPEAKER_03: Uh, we're hoping they both can attend, but one for sure.
38:40
SPEAKER_03: So um, if you are in the Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Vermont, and New Hampshire area, and you can make it to the October 22nd training, I'm telling you, it'll be worth it.
38:52
SPEAKER_03: We have trained people that have never heard of DOL, OWCP, and they've had to come to the class because it's a state convention.
38:58
SPEAKER_03: And when they left there, they were like, what is the word?
39:01
unknown: Shh.
39:02
SPEAKER_03: Their head explodes.
39:03
SPEAKER_03: Like, what?
39:04
SPEAKER_03: I never knew that.
39:05
SPEAKER_03: I worked for the post office for 31 years.
39:07
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
39:07
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
39:08
SPEAKER_04: Let's see.
39:09
SPEAKER_01: It's super cool to know all the rules because I don't know why management is so bad with OWCP.
39:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't know if they're this bad with other topics as well, because I don't, I'm not involved in those topics.
39:22
SPEAKER_01: But when it comes to you getting hurt, it's like they just they just lose their mind.
39:27
SPEAKER_01: They're unreal.
39:29
SPEAKER_03: And it's sad because I know and we always say because you guys go, they're lying.
39:33
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
39:33
SPEAKER_03: Some of them may be fibbing, but some of them they literally don't know.
39:38
SPEAKER_03: Like they don't know.
39:40
SPEAKER_03: Remember, USPS, your stewards and your union people, they have so much to learn.
39:46
SPEAKER_03: OWCP is just a small chapter in the the book.
39:50
SPEAKER_03: And it's that's why we tell you guys to come here to learn it or come to our conventions.
39:57
SPEAKER_03: Nancy, I have a question.
39:59
SPEAKER_03: I might sound stupid, but I want to be educated.
40:02
SPEAKER_03: You will not sound stupid.
40:03
SPEAKER_03: No, every question is a good question.
40:06
SPEAKER_03: You just mentioned that injury worker has 30 days to report the injury and three years to submit the CA1.
40:13
SPEAKER_03: Wouldn't my friend qualify?
40:15
SPEAKER_03: She's been off work since July 9th.
40:17
SPEAKER_03: And so how does that work?
40:18
SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry if it sounds stupid.
40:20
SPEAKER_03: I just want to understand.
40:20
SPEAKER_03: It doesn't sound stupid.
40:21
SPEAKER_03: It's not, it's complicated.
40:22
SPEAKER_01: It's complicated.
40:23
SPEAKER_01: So with the CA1, this is gonna sound confusing, and I'm doing it on purpose.
40:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, if you wait more than seven days, you can't have a CA 16, but you can still report your injury.
40:33
SPEAKER_01: If you wait more than 30 days, you also can no longer have COP, but you can still report your injury.
40:39
SPEAKER_01: As long as you report your injury within three years, you can't have your CA 16 or your COP, but you can get medical help and your claim can still be approved.
40:47
SPEAKER_01: If you wait more than three years, now you get a problem.
40:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, so anybody that was injured less than three years ago can go ahead and report their injury and file their claim right away.
40:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
40:57
SPEAKER_01: And if it's a CA2 where it's you know something that developed over time, like carpal tunnel syndrome or I don't know, knees, osteothritis of the knees, things like that.
41:06
SPEAKER_01: It's three years from the point that you realized it was work-related.
41:09
SPEAKER_01: Earlier, somebody said that their physical therapist said that uh they thought it was a work-related injury.
41:15
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
41:16
SPEAKER_01: Well, as of that day, you now have three years to report it.
41:19
SPEAKER_01: So it's they're very generous with this big three-year window.
41:22
SPEAKER_01: Um, so definitely it's not too late.
41:25
unknown: Yeah.
41:26
SPEAKER_03: Patty Ryan said, I have restrictions, and the postmaster said we don't get light duty.
41:30
SPEAKER_03: I'm a role carrier.
41:33
SPEAKER_03: They don't get light duty.
41:35
SPEAKER_01: No, for the most part, if you if you take an hour off, it's like taking a whole day off.
41:38
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's how the rule carrier craft is, unfortunately.
41:42
SPEAKER_01: I don't understand it, but it must be something to do with the with the contract with the union and the agency.
41:47
SPEAKER_03: Amy says, Yes, my manager wrote a letter emphasizing twice that I had a pre-existing condition.
41:52
SPEAKER_03: Does that matter?
41:53
SPEAKER_01: Nope.
41:53
SPEAKER_03: This is why she controverted.
41:55
SPEAKER_03: And yes, I'm living the nightmare of not getting a CA 16, not getting a COP, and the third one.
42:01
SPEAKER_03: I also reported it to the OIG.
42:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so what you do in this case, when the supervisor says, Well, I'm controverting it, and I disagree that it's it that you got hurt because it's pre-existing, that's when your doctor needs to step up and write a beautiful narrative report that explains how the pre-existing condition was uh made worse by the job and why that is an acceptable condition, because it is 100% of the time.
42:27
SPEAKER_04: Right.
42:27
SPEAKER_01: So it's all about the doctor's uh narrative report at that point.
42:31
SPEAKER_03: Uh Thomas said, if I if I have proof that the HR representative of TSA lied on my e-comp saying they showed me the video of my injury, who do I report that to?
42:42
SPEAKER_03: The OIG?
42:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would start there, and you can always ask them if it's not you, then who?
42:48
SPEAKER_01: Because they'll know.
42:49
SPEAKER_01: But that I always say start with OIG for sure.
42:52
SPEAKER_01: And I I know that it's true because he and I have talked about it.
42:57
SPEAKER_01: There's no way that she showed it to you because you would have seen it.
43:00
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
43:01
SPEAKER_01: How could you like I know I didn't see it, so you probably didn't show it to me.
43:04
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
43:04
SPEAKER_03: Tell her to show you the video of the video that you were she was showing you.
43:08
SPEAKER_03: That's what you tell her.
43:09
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to I don't want to talk about Thomas's situation, but after seeing the video, I mean the first time I looked at it, I went, Ouch, that's where you got hurt.
43:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
43:16
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I can see it, and I'm not even a doctor.
43:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
43:19
SPEAKER_01: It made sense to me.
43:20
SPEAKER_03: So again, USPS, it's not just you guys.
43:23
SPEAKER_03: It's all agencies.
43:25
SPEAKER_01: It happens all over.
43:26
SPEAKER_03: Amy says, How do I catch her?
43:28
SPEAKER_03: I originally thought she misunderstood me, but we had only had her as a manager for like a month.
43:34
SPEAKER_03: Now we know she is insane and lied rather than misunderstood.
43:38
SPEAKER_01: How do you catch her?
43:39
SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you have documented proof, that's how.
43:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, otherwise, I'd have to think about that one.
43:44
SPEAKER_03: Then I also have a supervisor who committed perjury in her affidavit for my EEO.
43:49
SPEAKER_03: She said she had no idea I had the medical issue.
43:52
SPEAKER_03: I do.
43:53
SPEAKER_03: She has literally seen me get sick, and others would write a witness statement saying this.
43:59
unknown: So
44:00
SPEAKER_01: I can't really speak to that one.
44:01
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the definition of knowing that you have it is.
44:04
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, I don't I don't know.
44:07
SPEAKER_01: She's seen me be sick, other people have said it.
44:09
SPEAKER_01: I I don't know if that meets the standard.
44:11
SPEAKER_01: And I'm not saying it doesn't.
44:12
SPEAKER_01: I just I don't know about that.
44:14
SPEAKER_03: Patty, oh, Bo said they are that bad with everything.
44:18
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we know it's sad.
44:19
SPEAKER_03: It is so sad.
44:20
SPEAKER_03: You guys work your butts off carrying all this mail, or regardless of what federal agency you're working your butts off, and then they do this.
44:28
SPEAKER_01: But when you know the rules because you're here learning about them, then you can fight for your rights.
44:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you get an advantage.
44:33
SPEAKER_03: Patty said, Where can I find where it says I can return to work with restrictions even though my case isn't approved?
44:40
SPEAKER_01: Well, there's really no rule that that I could point you to.
44:43
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
44:44
SPEAKER_01: Um, it's just this is more like a common sense rule.
44:47
SPEAKER_01: You can go back to work if you're ready to go back to work.
44:49
SPEAKER_03: Have you spoken to your union?
44:51
SPEAKER_03: Or are you the one that said your union doesn't even know what to do?
44:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but bottom line is most supervisors are like anxious for you to go back to work.
44:58
SPEAKER_01: To not let you come back to work sounds different than I ever hear anybody else say.
45:03
SPEAKER_01: That's just weird.
45:04
SPEAKER_01: But no, there's no rule about it.
45:05
SPEAKER_01: It's just you can go back to work if you want to.
45:08
SPEAKER_01: You can refuse all treatment from a doctor.
45:10
SPEAKER_01: You never have to accept any of the treatment, at which point the doctor will say, Okay, you're at maximum medical improvement because I don't have anything else that you can do.
45:17
SPEAKER_01: You've refused it all.
45:19
SPEAKER_01: And even that doesn't matter.
45:20
SPEAKER_01: You could even leave against doctor's um, whatever it is.
45:24
SPEAKER_01: What is it?
45:25
SPEAKER_01: Against doctor's orders?
45:26
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
45:27
SPEAKER_01: And say, done, I'm done.
45:29
SPEAKER_01: I'm not treat, I'm not doing anything else anymore and go back to work.
45:31
SPEAKER_01: You can do that.
45:32
SPEAKER_01: And management should allow you to come back.
45:34
SPEAKER_01: Why wouldn't they?
45:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
45:36
SPEAKER_03: Thomas, I definitely want people to hear your story.
45:40
SPEAKER_03: So, like you said, you don't want anybody else to deal with it, but we want to wait till your case gets accepted.
45:45
SPEAKER_01: Let's win it first.
45:46
SPEAKER_03: We want to win so we could show the progress and everything you've gone through from the day you got injured to when your claim actually gets accepted and you get all your benefits.
45:55
SPEAKER_03: So let's just wait.
45:56
SPEAKER_01: It'll just look like, and pardon my language, it'll just look like a bitch fest, and I don't want to do that.
46:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:00
SPEAKER_01: There's a lesson at the end of the at the end of the road on this one.
46:03
SPEAKER_01: I want to be able to teach that lesson.
46:05
SPEAKER_03: Rhonda says, Richmond FIC reached out to DOL for pre-authorization for physical therapy at the closest FIC to me is 200 miles.
46:14
SPEAKER_03: DOL denied.
46:15
SPEAKER_03: Any advice?
46:16
SPEAKER_03: If I go away, if I go anyway, does DOL have to pay?
46:21
SPEAKER_01: You have the right to choose your own doctor.
46:22
SPEAKER_01: That's in the rules.
46:23
SPEAKER_01: That's the law.
46:24
SPEAKER_01: It's absolute.
46:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
46:26
SPEAKER_01: Um, they don't have to pay you your track uh travel though.
46:29
SPEAKER_01: They don't have to pay you anything over 100 miles.
46:31
SPEAKER_01: You just have to you gotta weigh it out and say, do I want my 100 miles or do I want my claim approved and do and get better?
46:36
SPEAKER_01: It's a personal decision you have to make.
46:38
SPEAKER_03: We have a lot of locations on the East Coast.
46:40
SPEAKER_03: You know, go back and see if you know, um, if there's another location that works for you, or just go on Google and Google OWCP injury doctor near me.
46:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe one of our competitors is near you.
46:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
46:52
SPEAKER_01: And now somebody's going, Did you just tell me to go to your competition?
46:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just go wherever's close.
46:57
SPEAKER_01: Wherever's gonna help you.
46:58
SPEAKER_01: They can get your claim accepted and get you better.
47:00
SPEAKER_03: Driving 200 miles, that's like for us driving to like here to Melbourne and back, Melbourne, Florida, going past Orlando.
47:06
SPEAKER_03: So having to do that two to three times a week sucks.
47:10
SPEAKER_04: That's a lot.
47:11
SPEAKER_03: Melissa Rain says, as a role carrier, can USPS require us to do light duty or sedentary inside of the office, casing, post office, box mail, sorting packages, and mail.
47:22
SPEAKER_01: Yep, they can do it, but your unions are gonna fight about it.
47:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:26
SPEAKER_01: I don't think the agency is gonna care about that.
47:28
SPEAKER_01: They may enjoy it even, but they can do it for sure.
47:31
SPEAKER_03: Amy, does anyone ever hear back from the OIG?
47:34
SPEAKER_03: I filed and sent a follow-up for a few months later.
47:37
SPEAKER_03: I've never heard anything back from them.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: Um, I've never heard anybody complain about it, so I really can't answer that one.
47:43
SPEAKER_01: And I've never been able to file anything with the OIG because I'm not a federal employee.
47:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
47:47
SPEAKER_01: But if somebody else has an answer to that, um please respond to her here.
47:51
SPEAKER_03: Nancy, I know you're asking a lot of questions and none of your questions are stupid because there's other people other people on here probably have the same question and just a little shy to ask the question.
48:01
SPEAKER_03: I just Nancy, I want to know where you are.
48:03
SPEAKER_03: We're gonna be at all of these uh these two locations.
48:07
SPEAKER_03: If by any chance you are close to one of them, come get the training.
48:11
SPEAKER_03: I'm telling you guys, St.
48:12
SPEAKER_03: George, Utah, Thursday, November 5th, West Springfield, Massachusetts, October 22nd.
48:18
SPEAKER_03: And this is where you're gonna learn everything.
48:21
SPEAKER_01: And Nancy, I'd be more than happy to sit down with you.
48:23
SPEAKER_01: If you're able to make it, I'll sit down with you and talk things through with you.
48:26
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
48:26
SPEAKER_03: Or tell or private message me and tell me where you're located.
48:29
SPEAKER_03: Let me see if that is an upcoming area we are going to be in.
48:33
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
48:33
SPEAKER_03: Uh, she said, I have another question.
48:35
SPEAKER_03: So I have another friend that was diagnosed with carpal tunnel syndrome.
48:38
SPEAKER_03: Department of Labor has denied carpal tunnel syndrome as an accepted diagnosis.
48:43
SPEAKER_03: Can my friend do the CA2?
48:45
SPEAKER_03: And how should her statement read if she is previously diagnosed with it?
48:49
SPEAKER_03: DOL knows about it and has denied it.
48:52
SPEAKER_03: The question is, why did she get it denied?
48:55
SPEAKER_03: That's the that's the first question.
48:56
SPEAKER_01: Well, most of the time the denials are because doctors write bad narrative reports.
49:00
SPEAKER_01: But can she do it?
49:01
SPEAKER_01: Yes, absolutely, and she should.
49:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, what should it say?
49:04
SPEAKER_01: The truth.
49:05
SPEAKER_01: Yes, just the truth.
49:06
SPEAKER_01: And it's okay that she's not a doctor, she's not gonna be able to write medical stuff, but she can talk about what's been happening, and then the doctor can take that personal statement and put it into a medical report with things that make sense to the claims examiners.
49:19
SPEAKER_03: Sean Dill, the these are great.
49:21
SPEAKER_03: And now Jack Watkinson is on here.
49:23
SPEAKER_03: Oh, hey, Jack.
49:24
SPEAKER_04: What's up, Jack?
49:25
SPEAKER_03: Um, Gina, I'm worried I'll have the problem because it's one 148 miles one way, but it's the closest federal injury centers.
49:33
SPEAKER_01: So look, you're welcome to go there, but I reiterate you do not have to go to federal injury centers.
49:38
SPEAKER_01: And for those of you that are new, you don't have to go to federal injury centers to be here.
49:41
SPEAKER_01: Okay, we're here to train you, educate you, to teach you what you need to know.
49:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, go wherever you want to go.
49:47
SPEAKER_01: If you want to go to the FIC office, please do.
49:49
SPEAKER_01: If you don't want to, find something closer, no hard feelings.
49:53
SPEAKER_01: We think you should do whatever is best for you.
49:55
SPEAKER_03: I had two people reach out to me and messenger this week.
49:58
SPEAKER_03: One thought an office they are currently going to is an FIC clinic.
50:02
SPEAKER_03: And I'm telling you now, I'm the girl that's messaging you back, and I'm telling you that office that you're going to is not a federal injury center.
50:10
SPEAKER_03: I would know my husband's the president of the company.
50:12
SPEAKER_03: So we'd probably know.
50:14
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we probably know.
50:15
SPEAKER_03: Number two, um, for the lady that said um her supervisor ripped up her CA2 claim last Thursday, and she said the supervisor says she's not filling it out.
50:30
SPEAKER_03: How do you rip it up?
50:31
SPEAKER_03: It's a it's an electronic form, there's some form that she gave her and she ripped it up.
50:34
SPEAKER_04: Nice.
50:35
SPEAKER_03: And uh I'm gonna have Chris explain this more.
50:38
SPEAKER_03: Um, contact OSHA.
50:41
SPEAKER_03: Did you guys know that you can contact OSHA?
50:43
SPEAKER_01: 1-800-321-OSHA.
50:45
SPEAKER_03: Contact them and ask them, is it illegal for my supervisor not to have me file my claim?
50:51
SPEAKER_03: You don't have to give them your name.
50:52
SPEAKER_03: You don't have to give it a- Or not illegal.
50:54
SPEAKER_01: Is it a violation?
50:55
SPEAKER_01: Violation, that's what I meant to say.
50:56
SPEAKER_01: Is it a safety violation for them not to let me file an injury claim when I'm actually injured?
51:02
SPEAKER_01: I guess they're gonna say yes, but we should ask.
51:04
SPEAKER_01: Somebody should ask.
51:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
51:05
SPEAKER_03: And it's and it's you can be private about your name and post office and everything, but contact Osha.
51:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:12
SPEAKER_01: Or don't be private.
51:13
SPEAKER_01: Put them on blessed.
51:14
SPEAKER_03: Maria said for info only question, if a claim is filed but not approved yet or followed up by an employee, what happens?
51:22
SPEAKER_03: Does it have to be re-filed?
51:24
SPEAKER_01: No, once an injury claim is is filed, it's it's filed.
51:28
SPEAKER_01: Now you're just waiting on denials, approvals, you know, other communication from OWCP.
51:35
SPEAKER_03: Nancy, write a letter telling them that you have tried to locate an in-network PT office or doctor and have not found one in a 50-mile radius.
51:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, that's one way to do it.
51:45
SPEAKER_01: You can always ask the claims examiner to help you.
51:47
SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, if I can't go to there, which is fine, uh, tell me where I can go because I can't find anybody.
51:53
SPEAKER_01: The problem with OWCP is uh they've got this provider list on their website.
51:59
SPEAKER_01: And one of the qualifications to be listed there is that you saw one patient one time.
52:05
SPEAKER_01: That ain't good.
52:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
52:07
SPEAKER_01: Because that doctor that saw one patient one time has no idea what they're doing.
52:10
SPEAKER_01: I guarantee it.
52:11
SPEAKER_01: I train doctors for a living.
52:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
52:13
SPEAKER_01: I promise you, before they meet me, they don't know anything about how to help you.
52:18
SPEAKER_03: Rhonda, yes, real career contract allows limited duty, not light duty.
52:23
SPEAKER_01: Light duty is not work injury related.
52:25
SPEAKER_01: It's like being sick or something.
52:27
SPEAKER_01: It's not related to a work injury.
52:29
SPEAKER_01: Limited duty is.
52:30
SPEAKER_03: Sean said, Ugh, why do people do that?
52:32
SPEAKER_03: Find an official FIC centers.
52:34
SPEAKER_03: And Jack said, Did they print it or just rip it up?
52:37
SPEAKER_03: So she had a certain form and was giving it to the supervisor.
52:40
SPEAKER_03: And the supervisor said, I'm not going to fill it.
52:42
SPEAKER_03: Literally, that's what the message says.
52:44
SPEAKER_03: And he took it and ripped it up in pieces and turned around and walked away.
52:48
SPEAKER_03: And she was just like, I have to contact FIC uh Wednesday night chats.
52:52
SPEAKER_03: And that's when she contacted me.
52:54
SPEAKER_03: And I told her, Go tell your steward, go talk to your union.
52:58
SPEAKER_03: If they don't know, call your NBAs, call your national, tell them what's going on with these supervisors.
53:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I would just for fun, it reminds me of a scene in Wolf of Wall Street when he's on the yacht, or remember, with the two FBI agents.
53:13
SPEAKER_01: And he says, Can you say that again just the way you said it?
53:18
SPEAKER_01: I'd want to just record and go, could you just rip that up again exactly the way you did it the first time?
53:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:23
SPEAKER_01: Such idiots.
53:24
SPEAKER_03: Amy says, What is the difference in light duty and limited duty for a role carrier?
53:29
SPEAKER_01: So for all federal employees, light duty is not related to work injuries, limited duty is.
53:46
SPEAKER_03: Who said that?
53:47
SPEAKER_03: Um, Gina.
53:48
SPEAKER_01: Gina, let me tell you something.
53:49
SPEAKER_01: It's very important.
53:50
SPEAKER_01: Federal injury centers get denials too.
53:53
SPEAKER_01: We just never quit until they're approved.
53:56
SPEAKER_01: We understand the appeals process and we never quit.
53:58
SPEAKER_01: We know how to read the denial letters and find a specifically your claim is denied because paragraph.
54:03
SPEAKER_01: And then we find, you know, we fix it if it's fixable.
54:05
SPEAKER_01: If it's not fixable, it's not fixable.
54:07
SPEAKER_01: Um, but we get them too.
54:08
SPEAKER_01: But the difference between us and other um doctors is that we don't like to quit and we don't like to lose.
54:13
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
54:14
SPEAKER_03: Jack said, I mean, did they okay?
54:16
SPEAKER_03: So, Jack, what it was, it's it's a form that the suit that the person, the employee, has to give to the supervisor to fill out side A, and then the doctor fills out side B.
54:26
SPEAKER_01: But now it's all electronics.
54:28
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
54:28
SPEAKER_01: To print it out.
54:29
SPEAKER_01: You can still print the forms, obviously, Jack.
54:30
SPEAKER_03: Jack knows this stuff, but and the supervisor refused to fill out side B.
54:34
SPEAKER_03: He's like, I'm not gonna, I'm just not going to.
54:36
SPEAKER_01: Which is against the rules.
54:37
SPEAKER_03: So this is what I told her to do, and this is what Chris teaches when we do our thing.
54:41
SPEAKER_01: You can contact OSHA.
54:42
SPEAKER_03: If the number one, contact OSHA.
54:44
SPEAKER_03: Number two, if the supervisor refuses to fill out side A of your CA 17, take a black Sharpie and write supervisor Chris Helms refuse to fill out side A.
54:56
SPEAKER_01: I mean, you don't have to do that.
54:57
SPEAKER_01: You could do an OWCP5C.
54:59
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
54:59
SPEAKER_01: But I like the Black Sharpie technique.
55:01
SPEAKER_03: But I understood where you were coming from when you sent me the message because you needed that form to get your restrictions and they were just refusing to give you.
55:11
SPEAKER_03: Dummies.
55:12
SPEAKER_03: Uh Jerry said, Gina Riggins, they paid my full mileage in Richmond because I wrote a letter providing they were the closest ones who accepts federal work comp.
55:21
SPEAKER_03: There you go.
55:22
SPEAKER_03: Easy peasy.
55:23
SPEAKER_01: If Jerry did it and it worked, you should.
55:25
SPEAKER_03: You can definitely do it.
55:26
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
55:27
SPEAKER_03: Contact Jerry, message her after the chat, uh, and she'll tell you.
55:30
SPEAKER_01: Whatever she tells you to do is gonna is gonna be right.
55:33
SPEAKER_03: Uh, Audra, how can I pick my own doctor when surgeons will not accept federal work comp?
55:38
SPEAKER_03: Surgeons make you sign a form stating this is not work comp before they see you.
55:42
SPEAKER_01: Well, you can't sign a form that says it's not work comp when it is.
55:45
SPEAKER_01: Okay, first of all, do not, do not, do not sign a form that is a lie.
55:50
SPEAKER_01: Don't do that.
55:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, some surgeons will take them.
55:53
SPEAKER_01: We know lots of surgeons that accept it.
55:56
SPEAKER_01: The thing is they want the claim to be accepted first because they're not gonna do the work to get the claim accepted.
56:01
SPEAKER_01: They just want to do the surgery on an accepted claim.
56:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
56:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, so your doctor's gonna have to get the claim accepted.
56:08
SPEAKER_01: I I don't think you should use your health insurance because it's work injury, um, but that might be an option.
56:14
SPEAKER_01: And then there's a thing called subrogation where the health insurance and the OWCP will work it out in the back end.
56:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
56:21
SPEAKER_03: Another thing, Audra, I'm just saying, with our Federal Injury Center's clinics, we have the doctors build relationships with MRI facilities, with surgeons, with all sorts of different surgeons, all sorts of specialists.
56:35
SPEAKER_03: So once they understand how it all works, our doctor is able to say, okay, here, you can go see this orthopedic, you can go see this neurologist, and they'll actually accept you without having your claim accepted.
56:46
SPEAKER_03: That's only because we've trained our doctors to build these relationships for this reason.
56:52
SPEAKER_03: Um, Nancy, half of the providers on the website don't take patients anymore.
56:56
SPEAKER_03: Let me tell you what.
56:57
SPEAKER_03: They didn't want the one they did take.
56:59
SPEAKER_03: When when we were in Birmingham, Chris was we were looking for an office.
57:03
SPEAKER_03: Like looking.
57:04
SPEAKER_03: There was no office then yet.
57:06
SPEAKER_03: Chris called 11 pages.
57:08
SPEAKER_01: Not 11 doctors, 11 pages.
57:10
SPEAKER_03: Pages of that portal, Nancy, that you're talking about.
57:12
SPEAKER_03: Like, click, click, one, two, three, four, because there's like 105 pages on that thing.
57:17
SPEAKER_01: To find a surgeon that would exist.
57:18
SPEAKER_03: To find a surgeon, and one out of those 11 pages, which there's like 20 of them listed, decided they'll help out.
57:26
SPEAKER_01: So it is hard.
57:27
SPEAKER_01: Hold on.
57:27
SPEAKER_01: Before you say the next thing, Audra just posted, my claim is accepted.
57:31
SPEAKER_01: Exclamation point.
57:32
unknown: Woo!
57:35
SPEAKER_01: Way to go.
57:36
SPEAKER_01: There's nothing I like better than accept a claim.
57:39
SPEAKER_01: I like my wife's dinner a lot, but I love accepted claims.
57:42
SPEAKER_03: Colleen Robertson said, How hard is it to get a CA2 approved?
57:47
SPEAKER_03: It's the same thing like a CA1.
57:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not hard.
57:50
SPEAKER_01: We get them approved all the time.
57:53
SPEAKER_01: You have to write a great narrative medical narrative, and that's that's it.
57:56
SPEAKER_01: Like if you have a great medical narrative, it's gonna get approved.
57:59
SPEAKER_01: If you don't, it's gonna get denied.
58:02
SPEAKER_03: Tanisha said, if an employee is a union steward, can they participate in the union as department steward if they are on DOL payment?
58:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
58:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I think the question is if they're getting paid by the union also.
58:16
SPEAKER_01: And on your CA7s, when you're uh trying to get paid um for LWAP, they require you to write down all different forms or methods of payment, whatever income you're making, you have to you have to claim it anyways.
58:31
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, the answer is yes, you can definitely do that.
58:34
SPEAKER_03: Um, Gina, you said you all should come closer to Central VA, a little more southern LOL.
58:40
SPEAKER_03: I'm just asking, have you even looked at our website?
58:42
SPEAKER_03: Because between Virginia, Maryland, and DC, there's like nine or ten offices in there.
58:48
SPEAKER_03: So go back at our locations uh list and see if any one of those work for you.
58:54
SPEAKER_01: But with that said, I'd be very interested in knowing, and you can you can put it here or put it in Messenger or whatever, um, which town you'd like an office in.
59:03
SPEAKER_01: I'm always interested in knowing that.
59:05
SPEAKER_03: Gina said, not hard.
59:07
SPEAKER_03: My supervisor said, I've never seen one of these get approved.
59:10
SPEAKER_03: I just shrugged it off and kept moving along.
59:12
SPEAKER_03: Asked your supervisor to watch us.
59:14
SPEAKER_03: That's what you need to do.
59:15
SPEAKER_01: They won't like it though, because I won't.
59:16
SPEAKER_01: I will not change what I say just because I have management watching.
59:19
SPEAKER_03: Gina said, Oh, okay, I didn't realize that.
59:20
SPEAKER_01: It'll probably be a little more brutal, actually.
59:22
SPEAKER_03: Uh Gina said, Yes, Richmond and Charlotte are the closest to me.
59:26
SPEAKER_03: We do not have a Charlotte office.
59:28
SPEAKER_01: No.
59:29
SPEAKER_03: Um, Tenora, the answer is yes.
59:31
SPEAKER_03: You can still be the steward or board member, but need a doctor's note saying you can.
59:35
SPEAKER_01: And Gina likes Danville.
59:37
SPEAKER_01: All right, I'll check that out.
59:39
SPEAKER_03: Um, Jerry said, I keep suggesting Renoki because of the airport, VA hospital, and post office.
59:44
SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Jerry.
59:45
SPEAKER_01: Deal with this one real quick before we move on to the case.
59:47
SPEAKER_03: That's I'm getting it.
59:48
unknown: Okay.
59:48
SPEAKER_03: Nancy said, sorry, I didn't hear what Chris said about the said internet glitch about the private insurance and DOL and getting their money back.
59:55
SPEAKER_03: What is that called?
59:56
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
59:57
SPEAKER_01: Um subrogation, S-U-B-R-O-G-A-T-I-O-N.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_01: Subrogation.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_01: And um, it's just a process that insurance companies go through where one of them paid a bill that the other one should have paid, and so they just kind of deal with it on their own.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't want you to use your health insurance, but if you're allowed to and you need the surgery, go for it.
1:00:18
SPEAKER_01: Um, you're gonna have co-pays and deductibles.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_01: Don't forget there's another form called an OWCP 915, and that's a uh medical reimbursement form for any money that you paid out of your pocket.
1:00:28
SPEAKER_01: I want you to be able to get your money back uh once your claim does get accepted.
1:00:32
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:00:32
SPEAKER_03: So FIC in New Hampshire, please.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_03: Oh, we're yeah, we're working on it.
1:00:37
SPEAKER_01: We're working on all 50 states.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_01: Let me tell you something.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_01: It is not easy.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_03: It is not easy.
1:00:42
SPEAKER_03: These doctors want to do it, and then they get to the point where they hear about all the paperwork, possibly, and they're just like, I'm not, I'm out.
1:00:50
SPEAKER_01: It's hard.
1:00:51
SPEAKER_01: This is not really a topic for tonight, but I'm gonna tell you.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_01: There's another book coming out, and there's gonna be a section in this book that really goes into a lot of detail as to what it really takes for us to do what we do for you.
1:01:06
SPEAKER_01: When you read that, when you read that part of the book, you're not gonna believe it.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's a book.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_01: You won't believe it.
1:01:10
SPEAKER_01: And just sorry, one of the things, just one of the things, is that for every one office that we bring on, we probably have a hundred that say no to us.
1:01:18
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
1:01:19
SPEAKER_01: People don't want to help you as if you didn't know that.
1:01:21
SPEAKER_03: Like some, yeah, some of these guys get started and then they realize how much time it takes to sit with.
1:01:25
SPEAKER_01: And then they want to break their contract with you.
1:01:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, which happens, sadly.
1:01:28
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there is a you guys were gonna you guys are gonna hear the story pretty soon on everything that's going on in the background of what you see us.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_03: This is great.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_03: You see us here, we're happy.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_03: There's a lot going on in the background to help you guys.
1:01:40
SPEAKER_01: You can't believe what it takes for me to be able to help you.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_03: That's gonna be a probably a three-hour chat that night when we tell you.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_03: All right, guys, we're at the end.
1:01:48
SPEAKER_03: I hope that well, I want to read a couple of things.
1:01:50
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_01: Let me read a couple of things.
1:01:52
SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
1:01:52
SPEAKER_01: So these are a couple that are just fun for me, and I hope they never happen to you.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_01: Um, stupid things that I've seen supervisors do.
1:01:58
SPEAKER_03: No, that's a good one.
1:01:59
SPEAKER_01: Okay, accuse someone of fraud because they went to the grocery store after they were injured.
1:02:05
SPEAKER_01: Accuse someone of a fraud because with an injury they went on vacation.
1:02:09
SPEAKER_01: Or I wrote here, accuse somebody of fraud because with an injury, they still were able to smile.
1:02:14
SPEAKER_01: Like supervisors, quit being jerks.
1:02:16
SPEAKER_01: Um, and the last one I'm gonna say turn an injury into a character judgment.
1:02:20
SPEAKER_01: I see all the time supervisors saying, uh, you're just lazy.
1:02:24
SPEAKER_01: You just don't want to work.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_01: No, you're hurt.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_01: Jerks.
1:02:27
SPEAKER_01: Anyways, I want to be able to read those two things.
1:02:29
SPEAKER_01: I know that happens to people all the time.
1:02:32
SPEAKER_03: Um, okay, so don't forget, we are not gonna be on for the next two Wednesdays.
1:02:37
SPEAKER_03: So the 14th and the 21st, we will not be in this state.
1:02:43
SPEAKER_03: We leave for Utah next Wednesday to the BYU Notre Dame game.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_03: That BYU is going to crush Notre Dame.
1:02:50
SPEAKER_01: Now, before we move past that, listen, I think everybody should consider their life choices if you're not a Notre Dame fan.
1:02:57
SPEAKER_01: Just start thinking about it.
1:02:59
SPEAKER_01: You know, what other team has a touchdown Jesus?
1:03:01
SPEAKER_01: I mean, seriously.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're the only one that does.
1:03:04
SPEAKER_01: So just be thinking about that.
1:03:06
SPEAKER_03: If you are with APW Dallas, hear me out.
1:03:10
SPEAKER_01: By the way, Nancy said she was in Houston.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
1:03:12
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I yeah, I got that.
1:03:14
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
1:03:14
SPEAKER_03: If you are APW Dallas, we are actually going to be there for less than a day.
1:03:20
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
1:03:21
SPEAKER_03: Like we fly in, we do our training, and then we fly out that night.
1:03:25
SPEAKER_03: Like we have no time.
1:03:27
SPEAKER_03: Um, so if you're with APW Dallas and you know Chris Walker, the union president there, reach out and call him.
1:03:35
SPEAKER_03: We are coming to do a three-hour OWCP training, and it starts at 8 a.m.
1:03:41
SPEAKER_03: that morning, and then we fly out at five o'clock or we head to Boston.
1:03:46
SPEAKER_01: And I'm really excited about this because if you don't know, I'm from there.
1:03:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm actually a Texan who lives in Florida.
1:03:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm from Denton, Texas, which is just north of Dallas, and I'm really excited to go back and uh see my friends, you know, some of my best friends, but to be able to help out um, you know, federal employees in Texas.
1:04:09
SPEAKER_01: I'm really excited about it, especially in Dallas.
1:04:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:04:11
SPEAKER_03: So again, if you are with APW in the Dallas area, and I don't know what other locals are around there and you want to be at this uh training.
1:04:21
SPEAKER_03: This this one's gonna be this Dallas one is a three-hour training from eight to eleven or something like that, or from eight to twelve with questions.
1:04:28
SPEAKER_03: Um contact Chris Walker, or if you are in another agency, uh, another craft, and if you want, you'd have to contact him.
1:04:37
SPEAKER_03: This is not that one is not our show.
1:04:40
SPEAKER_03: That's Chris Walker's show.
1:04:41
SPEAKER_03: So please contact him.
1:04:43
SPEAKER_03: Um, but we're gonna be there and it's gonna be a great training.
1:04:46
SPEAKER_03: So that's APW Dallas.
1:04:48
SPEAKER_03: Chris Walker is the union president there.
1:04:51
SPEAKER_03: Uh a couple more questions.
1:04:52
SPEAKER_03: We're gonna sign off.
1:04:53
SPEAKER_03: Tanisha, any information about medical retirement if unable to return back to work?
1:04:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that's a whole topic in and of itself, medical retirement.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_01: Um, it is from the Office of Personnel Management, OPM.
1:05:07
SPEAKER_01: Um if you are if you qualify and are approved, you get 60% of your income in year one, 40% of your income every year thereafter until you hit retirement age.
1:05:18
SPEAKER_01: Um and you can still work a non-federal job and make up to 80% of your income at the same time.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, so there are benefits to it, and then the downside is that you're on federal disability and that sucks.
1:05:30
SPEAKER_01: And I don't want that for anyone.
1:05:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, but it is a much bigger topic.
1:05:34
SPEAKER_01: I could spend an entire hour on it.
1:05:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I really can't go deeper into it right now.
1:05:40
SPEAKER_01: Sorry about that.
1:05:40
SPEAKER_03: Lucille, we appreciate you.
1:05:42
SPEAKER_03: Thank you for all you do.
1:05:44
SPEAKER_01: You're so welcome.
1:05:45
SPEAKER_01: Thanks for being here.
1:05:45
SPEAKER_01: Tell all your friends, everybody, tell your friends.
1:05:48
SPEAKER_03: Sharon, are you gonna be at that training?
1:05:50
SPEAKER_03: Dallas Local 732.
1:05:52
SPEAKER_03: That'd be great because you've been a follower of.
1:05:55
SPEAKER_03: If I'm thinking of the right Sharon, I actually told Chris if you're the right one, I'm in my head.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_03: I actually told Chris that I wanted to talk to you personally for a reason.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_03: So if you are the one that I'm thinking of with your history, your job history, and you know what I'm talking about, I definitely want to talk to you and um tell you about a few things.
1:06:14
SPEAKER_03: Um so I hope that you're the right one and I hope you we get to see you in Dallas.
1:06:20
SPEAKER_03: Jerry, being on work comp does not mean that you can no longer live your life.
1:06:23
SPEAKER_03: It just needs to be in your restrictions.
1:06:25
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, go into the grocery store.
1:06:27
SPEAKER_03: Well, you're not if you're the doctor's telling you don't pick up 25 pounds, don't be picking up all five bags at once.
1:06:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:06:33
SPEAKER_03: Be smart about it.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_03: Lori, so I have limited duty letter for light duty.
1:06:37
SPEAKER_03: What do I do if this is not my doctor, but the second opinion doctor's opinion?
1:06:42
SPEAKER_01: Well, the second opinion doctor's opinion carries a lot of weight.
1:06:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, so unless your treating physician uh contradicts it, you're gonna end up going with whatever that second opinion doctor says.
1:06:53
SPEAKER_03: Sharon, yes.
1:06:54
SPEAKER_03: Oh, now I'm excited.
1:06:56
SPEAKER_01: Let's go.
1:06:56
SPEAKER_03: Because I definitely want to talk to you.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_03: I've been wanting to interview you for a couple years now.
1:07:01
SPEAKER_03: So I wanna I can't wait to meet you.
1:07:03
SPEAKER_03: I'd rather take an hour and talk to you when we get there in Dallas.
1:07:06
SPEAKER_03: So if you're if your job history is what I'm thinking that you did, I definitely want to sit and chat with you.
1:07:11
SPEAKER_03: It's gonna be fun.
1:07:12
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
1:07:13
SPEAKER_03: Um, all right, Linda, good night, guys.
1:07:15
SPEAKER_03: Have a safe travels.
1:07:16
SPEAKER_03: Jack, great seeing you guys.
1:07:18
SPEAKER_03: All right, guys, thank you so much.
1:07:20
SPEAKER_03: We hope this woodshed night taking supervisors out back to beat them with a paddle.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_01: No, we don't beat anybody, we just talk to them really sternly.
1:07:30
SPEAKER_01: We don't use violence, period.
1:07:33
SPEAKER_01: Don't listen to her.
1:07:34
SPEAKER_01: So again, influence this one.
1:07:36
SPEAKER_03: We're gonna be in Utah next week.
1:07:37
SPEAKER_03: We leave Wednesday, then we are in Dallas for less than 24 hours, and then we head to Springfield, Massachusetts.
1:07:44
SPEAKER_01: Unless our flight's delayed again, because every flight in and out of Dallas has a problem.
1:07:48
SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry.
1:07:49
SPEAKER_03: I say this all the time.
1:07:50
SPEAKER_03: It always happens.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_01: Dallas, Charlotte.
1:07:54
SPEAKER_03: It happens to us, it happens to our son every time he flies out of Dallas.
1:07:58
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't even want to come here anymore because every time he gets delayed by a day or two.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_03: It happened to my parents on Sunday and then they got delayed two hours.
1:08:05
SPEAKER_01: So Gina.
1:08:06
SPEAKER_01: No, we don't use physical violence.
1:08:08
SPEAKER_01: We just give him a stern talking to.
1:08:10
SPEAKER_01: Or just a uh let's see.
1:08:13
SPEAKER_01: Give him a dirty look and a stern talking to.
1:08:16
SPEAKER_03: All right, Amy J, goodnight.
1:08:17
SPEAKER_03: Thank you, thank you.
1:08:18
SPEAKER_03: All right, guys, thank you guys so much.
1:08:20
SPEAKER_03: We will be posting a lot of reels in the for the next two weeks while we're gone.
1:08:24
SPEAKER_03: So be paying attention to those nuggets.
1:08:26
SPEAKER_01: We'll give you some nuggets.
1:08:27
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and um Gina, I'm with you.
1:08:31
SPEAKER_03: Um, so we will definitely see you guys on October 28th, a couple days before Halloween.
1:08:38
SPEAKER_01: Mark your calendars and tell your friends.
1:08:40
SPEAKER_01: And October 28th, expect somebody to be dressed up in their Halloween gear, and which means I'll have to as well.
1:08:49
SPEAKER_01: So that'll be a fun night.
1:08:51
SPEAKER_03: Let me tell you something.
1:08:52
SPEAKER_03: We have an amazing freaking Halloween setup.
1:08:54
SPEAKER_03: If we can ever get the rain together, set it up because of the freaking rain.
1:08:58
SPEAKER_03: Straight two days of rain, like it's flooded in our yard and our pool.
1:09:02
SPEAKER_03: He's had to drain our pool a whole bunch of times.
1:09:04
SPEAKER_03: About to do it the third time today.
1:09:06
SPEAKER_03: Maria said my cousin was delayed twice coming out of Florida this past weekend.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_03: Something was happening.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_03: I do remember that.
1:09:12
SPEAKER_03: All right, guys.
1:09:13
SPEAKER_03: Great to see you guys uh tonight.
1:09:15
SPEAKER_03: We'll see you guys back on October 28th.
1:09:18
SPEAKER_03: Have a good night.
1:09:20
SPEAKER_03: See ya.