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Patriots Unfiltered 10/27: NFL Week 8 Picks, Jets Preview and Thursday Practice Report · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: If you joined us right away, you heard Bill Belichick. Um,
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  Speaker 1: mac Jones is going to be starting. We knew that
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  Speaker 1: yesterday because of a report by Field Yates. Uh he's
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  Speaker 1: uh one of the sources here. Uh go to uh
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  Speaker 1: distributor of information, Uh you know at times family friend.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, Um, we knew yesterday that mac Jones is
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  Speaker 1: going to be starting, as we suspected and as we
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  Speaker 1: hoped the information would get out earlier, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: when Bill kept saying yesterday, we'll see how it goes.
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  Speaker 1: I think that you and I talked about it on
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  Speaker 1: the show yesterday. This is kind of how we felt, like, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think he's just making sure physically he's okay after practice,
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  Speaker 1: and then he's he'll yeah, let it out there, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm happy about it. I didn't think the identity
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  Speaker 1: of which one he picked was the most important part,
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  Speaker 1: but I did think it was important that he identified
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  Speaker 1: one to go with now. I'm sure Mac is it's
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  Speaker 1: important to Max. Oh no, no, no no, obviously it's important
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  Speaker 1: to the two guys. But yeah, I wanted it to
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  Speaker 1: be Mac, I said yesterday, you know that would be
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  Speaker 1: would have been my pick. But I do think it's
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  Speaker 1: important that the team is on the same page and
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  Speaker 1: you know, they move forward. I would have liked him
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  Speaker 1: to have heard him today be a little stronger with it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, kind of in that Brady mold from from
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and one. Not that Mac Jones's played to
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  Speaker 1: that level as Alex Watson um, but just you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, well, he's he's he is our starting quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: He's he's ready to go him and he said clearly
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  Speaker 1: he's ready to go physically. So I would have liked
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  Speaker 1: to have seen maybe a little bit of a stronger
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  Speaker 1: commitment moving forward, you know, like the whole foreseeable future
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah. We got a little insight into
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  Speaker 1: the psyche of Bill today, did we. Yeah. I always
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  Speaker 1: like when you explain things to me. There was a moment.
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  Speaker 1: It was a moment when one of the writers, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know who it was, was just simply trying to
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  Speaker 1: get information. Bill goes look, you know, you're not going
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  Speaker 1: to trap me. In Bill's mind, the question was in
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  Speaker 1: order to trap him. It really wasn't. It's just to
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  Speaker 1: get information. But that's how Bill is thinking, is that
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  Speaker 1: they're trying to trap me. They're not. Yeah, they're not.
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  Speaker 1: They're just trying to get info. Yeah, that's it. And
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  Speaker 1: so I think we got a little insight there into
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  Speaker 1: Bill's psyche when it comes to dealing with the press. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, I like I like this turn
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  Speaker 1: of events. I like the fact that we know now
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  Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with trying to keep
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  Speaker 1: the identity, you know, a secret for the other team
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  Speaker 1: and all that stuff that always, uh, you know, comes
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  Speaker 1: up at these times. I just like the fact that
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  Speaker 1: Bill let it out there yesterday and he didn't back
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  Speaker 1: away from it today when when asked about it. We
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  Speaker 1: go forward, you know, I think that's the only thing
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  Speaker 1: you can do. You got to pick out the pieces
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  Speaker 1: and move forward. Yeah. Yeah, right, because it was turning
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  Speaker 1: into a situation, right, yeah. I mean I know that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people in the media said it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a situation, but it is still is and certainly was
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  Speaker 1: you know, leaning in and if it wasn't any anything
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  Speaker 1: to worry about. You wouldn't hear Bill and Alex. You
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  Speaker 1: were at the press conference, so you were actually there
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  Speaker 1: to hear the questions and whatnot. Fred and I were
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  Speaker 1: listening so many like parsing of words and where we
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  Speaker 1: are now as opposed. You know, there's no commitment here
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  Speaker 1: beyond the the absolute present. Like Mac it through practice yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: fully ready to go. He's physically ready to go and
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  Speaker 1: up to speed, but you know nothing about like, oh, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: he's our quarterback the rest of the way. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's what it is. But yeah, bottom line, he's not
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  Speaker 1: as certain about Mac in year two as he was
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  Speaker 1: in Brady and Brady's first should he be? But you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was just there's there's like back and forth, there
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  Speaker 1: were there were things going on, like it's not just
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  Speaker 1: a full gone conclusion that Mac is the quarterback. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the quote you guys just brought up. The funniest part
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  Speaker 1: of it to me was Bill saying, don't try to
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  Speaker 1: trap me into something that's going to happen in the future, right,
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  Speaker 1: So like totally leaving the future open ended. We're focused
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  Speaker 1: on today. The Jets max here and then it was
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  Speaker 1: very much. Just I don't know, you're right, Like when
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  Speaker 1: it was Brady, it was like a question about the
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  Speaker 1: starter going forward would just be scoffed at, And now
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  Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, no, don't trap me, right, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what's going to happen in the future. Well, I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's recently as two years ago a question about
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback was Cam Newton is the quarterback? Right? You know? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like so like there was no controversy two years ago
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  Speaker 1: because Cam Newton was unequivocally the starting quarterback because Bill
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  Speaker 1: said so, right, and he's not saying that like Mac
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  Speaker 1: Jones is starting Sunday, he's gonna be ready to go
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  Speaker 1: against the Jet unequivocally the quarterback on Sunday. I think
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  Speaker 1: that he is the quarterback, you know. I think he'll
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  Speaker 1: be the quarterback for the for the future. But will
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  Speaker 1: you be surprised if you know, maybe things don't improve
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  Speaker 1: dramatically for Mac Jones on Sunday and they lose to
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  Speaker 1: the Jets, that we're in the same situation next week.
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  Speaker 1: All the questions are about who started your quarterback. No,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna come up again if Mac doesn't play well
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  Speaker 1: and they lose, right, yeah, whereas in the past the
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  Speaker 1: guy was the quarterback, win, loser, draw. Yeah, here's to
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  Speaker 1: Matt playing well and winning. Yeah, I mean I think
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  Speaker 1: that's how you and I feel. Yeah, what's up, Alex?
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  Speaker 1: Not too much. How have you guys been managing without you,
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  Speaker 1: without me? Without Mike? Well Mike, Yeah, Mike's still under
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  Speaker 1: the weather. He's on the injury report. Uh, he did
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  Speaker 1: not participate. He's got a suck it up. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what are we doing here? We're season no, no, nothing.
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  Speaker 1: He did give me his pet he sent he sent
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  Speaker 1: his picks in. Oh, that's good. We have that, so
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  Speaker 1: we'll be able to rifle through picks now because he
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  Speaker 1: takes a little time sometimes, you know, taking shots at
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  Speaker 1: how long it's maybe you should take Maybe you should
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  Speaker 1: take a little more time. Oh, based on your record
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  Speaker 1: another bad week for me or a week when you're
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  Speaker 1: looking Oh, it's just your baseline now, Yeah, I just
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  Speaker 1: it's just I'm only up from here. No, I'm simpatico
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  Speaker 1: with the Patriots, so I as they go, so do I.
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  Speaker 1: I have a little uh thing that's still bugging me
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, and it's you know, Evan, I think
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  Speaker 1: we'll be coming by after practice right here to give
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  Speaker 1: us the hope. So right, so confirmed. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: Evan we talked about, you know, some of the subtle
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  Speaker 1: differences and play calling, you know, when guys in the
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  Speaker 1: game to the other. And you know, I think Evan
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  Speaker 1: made a lot of good points with that. There's there's
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  Speaker 1: still this groundswell of sabotage to Mac. Yeah, I heard,
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  Speaker 1: like not just Greg Bdard like he's on board with that,
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  Speaker 1: but like national people and Chris Simms. Now I do
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  Speaker 1: find it funny. Like Chris Sims, a guy who we
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  Speaker 1: never ever listened to, never took seriously since he left
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  Speaker 1: the organization several years ago. Now all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: he's he's a fact. That's fact, you know. So Chris
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  Speaker 1: Sims says it's so it's important. But I just I'm
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  Speaker 1: not telling you about the different plays. I think it
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  Speaker 1: makes sense to have different plays for different players, like
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  Speaker 1: you accentuate strengths and weaknesses whatnot based on who's actually playing.
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  Speaker 1: But you're telling me that Matt Patricia and Joe Judge
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  Speaker 1: have it out for Mac Jones. That's what the that's
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  Speaker 1: what they're that's what they're They're not implying it they're
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  Speaker 1: coming out and saying it, yeah, and I'm sorry if
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  Speaker 1: I can't get on board with it, I can't. I
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  Speaker 1: that would be fireable if I was Robert Kraft and
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  Speaker 1: I found out that my quarterbacks coach an offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 1: were purposely putting a play a first round you know,
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  Speaker 1: forget about where he's draft but he was a first
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  Speaker 1: round pick. In jeopardy, You're gone. Just inconceivable. I don't
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  Speaker 1: need you to with a fan base, at least I
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  Speaker 1: don't know about internally. Obviously he's in good standing internally
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  Speaker 1: because he's here, But like with the fan base, that's
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  Speaker 1: the easiest, low hanging fruit target for people to go after.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't see Patricia trying to like further sabotage
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  Speaker 1: himself by losing games or not putting the offense in
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  Speaker 1: what he thinks is the best position to win. I agree,
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  Speaker 1: it's inconceivable. It's because to do that, like, these coaches
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  Speaker 1: know how hard it is on these players. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they're playing a sport that these coaches wanted to be
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  Speaker 1: good at, but none of them, most of them weren't,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so they know what kind of me. But
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  Speaker 1: it's true, right, you know, those who teach those who
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  Speaker 1: can't teach teach Jim. You know, oh, Um, I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was just those who can't do teach those He
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  Speaker 1: took a whole nasty level. Who can't teach teach right,
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  Speaker 1: those who can't do teach those who can't teach, teach Jim. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of these coaches wanted to be players
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  Speaker 1: and played at a certain level, but we're never as
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  Speaker 1: good at and they know how hard it is. Borderline
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  Speaker 1: it would be borderline evil for a coach to do
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  Speaker 1: that to a player, and I think it's right. I
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  Speaker 1: think it. It doesn't make sense, and I think you know,
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  Speaker 1: people can speculate all they will, but you know they're
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  Speaker 1: just trying to make headlines. It. I can't believe that
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  Speaker 1: would happen. Well. The other part is it's sort of
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  Speaker 1: letting Mac Jones off the hook, Isn't it like they're
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  Speaker 1: sabotaging him now, I will has nothing to do with
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Mac Jones is not protecting the football,
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  Speaker 1: Like I can be sympathy with Mac Jones because I
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  Speaker 1: think he's been sort of targeted in a little Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I thought the way they handled Monday night was unfair
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  Speaker 1: to Mac Jones and so that I'll give him some credit,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm not giving him credit for throwing the interception
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  Speaker 1: when he's in there, right. But I will say this.
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  Speaker 1: There was a defensive lineman that used to play with
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots pre dynasty who told me this is not hearsay.
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  Speaker 1: Told me one on one that a certain defensive line
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  Speaker 1: coach told him, you know, unless you give if you
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  Speaker 1: make the Pro Bowl and you get your bonus, unless
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  Speaker 1: you give me a cut of that, I'm gonna limit
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  Speaker 1: your snaps. Should I say it? Oh? No, okay, but
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  Speaker 1: you know so I have affery. There's like a paper
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  Speaker 1: trail with everything you do. Now, you can't just tell
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  Speaker 1: someone something face to face in the game. But I
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  Speaker 1: have a good to say that Max is being sabotaged
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  Speaker 1: by the play calling allows him to be off the
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  Speaker 1: hook for not playing well. Right, Like, why is it
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  Speaker 1: that on the second play of the game and the
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  Speaker 1: first pass that he attempted the other night, he throws
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  Speaker 1: a twelve yard out over the head of the receiver
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  Speaker 1: who was open, right? Like? Is that because Matt Patricia
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  Speaker 1: called a twelve yard out and he's you know, he's
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  Speaker 1: trying to make him look bad? No, and I said,
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  Speaker 1: I think you said it right. Like different players, different
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks are good at different things, so you called different plays.
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  Speaker 1: Now the thing about now, I'll I'll do a Paul
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  Speaker 1: and I'll argue against myself here. What they've been calling
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  Speaker 1: for Mac hasn't been working and they don't seem to
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  Speaker 1: have changed that yet. But they only had three series, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you really don't have a chance to see anything.
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  Speaker 1: But but and I would agree with that. I would
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  Speaker 1: start all of my analysis of Mac Jones by by saying,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Mac Jones has played very well in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Like, I'm not trying to be a
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  Speaker 1: mac apologist. People will say, oh, he's doing the Feldger thing,
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  Speaker 1: he's being a contrarian. He was. He was critical of
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  Speaker 1: Mac Jones all year last year when he played well.
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  Speaker 1: Now that everybody's against him, he's trying to defend him.
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  Speaker 1: That's not what I'm trying to do because I don't
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  Speaker 1: think Max. You wouldn't defend any But I don't think
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  Speaker 1: he's played well. Do you think he's played well? No? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And he's had he's had moments. Yeah. I think the Baltimore,
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  Speaker 1: the first first two and a half course against Baltimore.
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  Speaker 1: I think he did have some moments, but I think
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  Speaker 1: for the most part this year he's been sporadic. We
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen in a progress and too many turnovers. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's the thing. That's just the turnout. Like even when
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  Speaker 1: there's a good drive that he's had, it's just marred
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  Speaker 1: in our memory because of a turnover penalty. You name
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  Speaker 1: it yea now, But but I I also look at
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  Speaker 1: it and say, yeah, like Dani Rolosky says, I challenge.
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  Speaker 1: I think he had a tweet. I challenged them to
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  Speaker 1: call the same place. I know Mac Jones can run
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  Speaker 1: those plays. I saw him do it all last year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I know that that offense will only get you
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  Speaker 1: so far. That offense will only allow you to beat
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  Speaker 1: bad teams. Right, So I couldn't use that against the Bears. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I got to step out for a quick second. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be right back, Okay. Yeah. So no, but like Paul said,
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  Speaker 1: this is now taken on a national narrative, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I just I just like you said, it's inconceivable
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  Speaker 1: that any coach would do that to one of their players,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, even if you hate the player, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure, everyone's human. I'm sure there's personality conflicts and
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  Speaker 1: teams and coaches don't like players, vice versa. But you're
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  Speaker 1: also hurting the rest of the team. Yeah, yourself. Patricia
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  Speaker 1: has been the media scapegoat since before the preseason, right
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  Speaker 1: even right, so it's like, that's not That's the one
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  Speaker 1: question I want to ask is how does this benefit
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  Speaker 1: to anyone that has that conspiracy theory? Where does Patricia
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  Speaker 1: win in this if he's sacrificing this integrity potentially hypothetically.
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  Speaker 1: And again, I don't really understand that was a quick
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  Speaker 1: step out. I don't really understand why. To Alex's point, Matt,
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  Speaker 1: Patricia wants Mac Jones to fail, Like what's fort right
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  Speaker 1: if that happens? Right? And again, regardless of the play call,
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  Speaker 1: isn't the idea when you call the play the eleven
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  Speaker 1: guys on the field, isn't the idea to execute it
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  Speaker 1: to the best of your ability? And this is where like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not letting Mac Jones off the hook. I think
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  Speaker 1: he has seven turnovers. Now, I'd argue that the guy
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  Speaker 1: who replaced him doing all the safe plays has six
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  Speaker 1: turnovers and roughly the same amount of playtime. Now, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: three games, right, yeah, you know, one guy has six
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  Speaker 1: picks and a fumble. The other guy has you know
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is, three picks and three fumbles, right yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of turnovers. The biggest problem
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  Speaker 1: right now with the Patriots offense is they cannot protect
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  Speaker 1: the football. And I'm gonna do what unprecedented back to
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  Speaker 1: back weeks. I'm going to use the same key damn
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  Speaker 1: this week. I forgot to fill out Mike's round table.
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  Speaker 1: I just haven't had a chance. I saw the email,
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  Speaker 1: and I protect them all very busy. Yeah we should
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  Speaker 1: mentioned and it's just a report, and who knows what
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  Speaker 1: the sources are and why they gave him the info.
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  Speaker 1: But do Doug Kide is reporting that, uh, four receivers
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  Speaker 1: and two other players Patriots have been getting called trade
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  Speaker 1: calls for well, everybody's had the receivers. Phil Perry I
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  Speaker 1: think was first on the receivers. Yeah, but he was
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  Speaker 1: the first to include m Jacoby Byers. Yeah that people
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  Speaker 1: are calling on Jacoby Myers. But I think had Damian
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  Speaker 1: Harris h. And there was one Jabrill Peppers and Jabrill
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  Speaker 1: Peppers and I hadn't seen those two names, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, but you know, i'd add those two to
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  Speaker 1: the lists. Like if I was a reporter and I
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  Speaker 1: got that call, it's probably like depending on who's calling,
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  Speaker 1: Like if it's a Patriots source, I'm like, are you
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  Speaker 1: just using me to drum up interest here? You know,
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  Speaker 1: like telling other teams that these guys are available? Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I would question, why are you telling
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  Speaker 1: me this? Well? You knowell, you do want me to
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  Speaker 1: give you Like, you know, one hundred years ago, I
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  Speaker 1: used to be doing this stuff. Right, we were banging
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  Speaker 1: the drum and you know when I worked at The Herald,
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  Speaker 1: and then you know, when I started here, I was
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: calling the agents and trying to work sources and whatnot.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: We're more analytical now than we were way back then.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what I mean. Jabrill Peppers last
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: year of his contract, Damien Harris last year of his contract,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Jakobe Myers last year of his contract. So what is
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: it in the best interests of their representative representation to do? Yeah? Yeah,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: they're they're highly sought after, these guys, right, they're going
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: to be free agents next year, but people don't want
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: to wait for them to be free agents. So right, Hey,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Alex I don't know. David Canter here, agent for Jacoby Myers. Yeah,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of interests, a lot of interest Alex. You
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: get the Patriots getting a lot of calls on Jaco,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: on my client. That's how it works. They're they're they're
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: they're they're talking to agents and the agents are telling them,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, they're getting calls. But the team doesn't want
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: to move on from them because the team likes what
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: they say, what they have, team likes what they what,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: you know, what the what they've seen in the production.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: But a lot of people are interested in in in Uh.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: You know, Jabrill Peppers, Damien had all guys in the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: last year of their contract. It makes sense marketing one
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: on one create a scarcity, and so now around the
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: league people are looking at it. You know, maybe someone
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: in Carolina is looking at that and saying, oh wow,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers, he's having a good yuarrope in New England. Huh,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: people people are chasing after him. Now. Could the other
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: reason to do that would be to cause unrest with
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. No, no, what is the unrest? Like? You
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: would be doing that like other teams. Yeah, other teams
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: are saying, yeah, you know, I heard that the Patriots
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: are getting calls on all these players. I don't see
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: how that causes unrest, though, well, like players are like,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: oh they're gonna trade me. You know that type of thing.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: It starts to cast. You know. I used a long
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: time ago, back when you were probably before the Herald,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I used to be an editor of a recruiting magazine
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: for HR. And this one professional recruiter told me he
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: would call the R and D department of a high
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: tech company on Friday and he gets somebody on the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: phone in the department say, man, I was looking at
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the salaries in your department, and boy, they're all over
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the charts. He goes, by Monday, I'd be able to
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: recruit anybody I wanted out of there, because everybody's now
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: talking about where do I fall on the chart? You know,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: so they cause unrest. I just don't think that the
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: agents are looking to cousin unrest of No, I'm not
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: saying the teams aren't talking to I don't want to
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: be disrespectful, but teams aren't talking to the people in question.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, but the writers could be talking to gms.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah they're not not You don't think that one not
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: not here. I'm talking about other teams, gms, talking about
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the writers that are reporting it. Oh, Paul's disdain for
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the local media, Well he's not local. Do you hate
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: more of the fans of the media media by fox um?
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: But my point is, like, yeah, a guy like Isaiah Wynn,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: who's constantly he gets moved to right tackle, his name
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: is constantly brought up. Yeah, that's probably wearing on him
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: a little bit. But for a guy like Jabrill Peppers,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: it's a one year rental, you know, he's got to
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: he's trying to like increase his value, so he's probably
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: on board with it. He's he's fine with it, you know. Yeah,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: So there's guys are in different positions. But my guess
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: is in general, and I'm not telling you what you're
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: saying never happens. I'm sure it does. But my guess is,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: for the most part, when you hear you know, six
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: names are brought up, that's to me an example of
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the writers are talking to agents, and agents are saying, oh, yeah,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: a lot a lot of interest in my client, right,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of interest because it serves their clients well
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to be to be brought up like that. Yeah, especially
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: if they know they're not going anywhere. Yeah, Whereas I
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: think Isaiah Win might be one of those guys and
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: be like, I don't think I am going somewhere. If
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the Patriots lose this game and look bad doing it,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: do you think the Patriots could become sellers? And say,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I like, there's a much bigger chance of them selling
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: than buying it. That's what I'm talking about. We win,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: loser draws some day. Well, if they co out and
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: kick butt, maybe you know, Okay, we there's a piece
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: that we could bring in. Would you do that? Depends
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: on it all depends, Paul. I can't talk about hypotheticals.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to get trapped. Okay, Bill,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: good for you. What are you doing? Why can't you sepping?
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: This stupid plug keeps coming out of the laptop? I'm sorry, Matt.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Can you come in and hold mister Cursh's hands. Grandpa
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: is having a hard time with the technology. Got it?
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: The light went on? Okay, thank goodness. Um My my
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: feeling is and the rest of the lights went off.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Um my feeling is. If they lose, you could you
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: could definitely see a higher percentage chance of someone going
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: if they win. I think it's status. Quote. I wouldn't
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: want to give up any any assets, any resources whatsoever
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to acquire anything. No, no, even receivers. We got a
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: lot of We have a lot of receivers. Know what
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. I would trade a receiver if I if
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I could acquire right now, you wouldn't I'm saying, Yeah,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not interested in losing. I consider the player's assets too.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Oh no, well they do not. I mean, like for
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the guys that we're talking about, are all all have
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: a half a year left as Patriots? I know, Like
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm like. I wouldn't be like, no, if
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not looking to deal Taekwon. That's an assets. If
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: somebody wants to give me a third round for win,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I'll do it. Well, yes, I would do that. The
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: conditional seven that you're gonna get when you trade them,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. Screw, that's like a third round
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: pick for a guy who's like lost his job. Foreborghini
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: is floor as a Pro Bowl guard. But anyway, um, yeah,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: so that that's something to watch because the deadline is
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: next week Tuesday, Tuesday. Yeah. So yeah, when I said
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I don't want to lose any assets. I mean, I don't.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not looking to deal like a fourth round pick
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: to acquire you know, some linebacker who may or may
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: not factor into the equation. Yea. You know, now if
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I could get something for nothing, you know, every once
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: in a while at the trade deadline, and Bill has
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: done this in the past, you know, you require someone's disgruntled,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: talented play like a NIKEEP to leave. Is always the
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: guy uses the example. Yeah, if something like that fell
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: into my lap, I wouldn't mind something like that I
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: could use, you know, going forward, but in terms of
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: a rental for the rest of the year, which is
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: generally the guys that are available at this time of year. Now,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not really interested in giving up a mid, mid
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: to late round pick for a guy who's not really
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: going to make a difference. Ye did I hear correctly
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: probably that the Patriots are favored in this game. Yes,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I find that very surprising. I think it's hit hard
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: by those two injuries. I think I think that's true,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and I think it's largely. It doesn't mean I'm right,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: but this is what I've been saying about the Jets
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: all year, is like I don't understand how they keep winning.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: They're like, they don't throw the ball that you don't
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: have rainy success. They have a good defense, they have
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: a good defense, they do, but they're just not very good.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: And now they have a rookie quarterback who has been
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: pretty well protected to this point. They're missing a pretty
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: prominent linemen. This kid's going to be under pressure now. Yeah,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I mean they have like three linemen out now. Well
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: they say that like he's the most splitz guy in
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the league so far, has been something Yeah, yeah, I
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: mean I just look at it at number three or
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: something like that. They only, you know, they only have
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: one way to win, and that's a low scoring, mucket
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: up kind of game and get the breaks at the
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: end and find a way. Now, to their credit, they've
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: won four a row doing that. Yeah, they deserve credit.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I also think it's I know, the parcels thing, but
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: that's not always true. The whole Your record is what
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you know you are, what your record says you are.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you really can get fortunate and the path and
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I think that they are making the Patriots seven game
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: winning streak last year far more impressive than what the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Jets have done this year. I mean, they scored twice
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: in the last minute to beat Cleveland, and a fluke
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: of all flukes where if Nick Chubb just takes a
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: knee they lose. And even though I think he did
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the right thing whatever, they played the Dolphins, and not
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: only they're without Tua, but on the first play of
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the game, the backup quarterback has to go out and
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: they still needed the missfield goal in the fourth quarter
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: to hold on. They would have fallen behind in the
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter if Jason Sanders didn't miss a field goal. Right.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: They play the Broncos last week in Denver. No Russell Wilson. Like,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I know, Russell Wilson hasn't played well, but this is
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: a guy who, right, would you rather play Brett Rippon
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: or Russell Wilson? Right? Like, I think they've been extremely
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: fortunate in the way everything is sort of unfolded for them.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Are they better? Yep? They have good young talent, They've
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: gotten better. They've had a good draft. They've had a
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: couple of good drafts. Now I just don't think they
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: had that good. Yeah. Now, you could just pencil and
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: everything I just said about the Jets and the race
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Jets and put in Chicago, and it would all be
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: kind of the same, right, And we saw what happened
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: last month coming out before this game, and I'm not
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: gonna say there's no chance I did last week. I'll
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: tell you that. Yeah. You know what a weird thing
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I noticed about the Jets kind of a like a
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: schedule quirk. The first four games of the year, they
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: played AFC North teams. They got it all out of
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, like you know, we the AFC East
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: lined up with the AFC North this year, so you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: we played Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, and balt More. They played
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: those four teams week one, two, three, and four, Baltimore, Cleveland, uh,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati and then Pittsburgh. You find that interesting, don't you
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: think that's kind of odd? It's a schedule quirk. Yeah,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: well that's what I called it. Yeah, quirk. Yeah, I
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: just said it was. But now they're now they're hitting
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the meat of their schedule, right, Uh. I don't know, Like, yeah,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: they don't have the whole thing. You know, they went Baltimore, Cleveland,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: since Pittsburgh, and then they went Miami, Green Bay, Denver. Yeah,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: you know, and and the Green Bay win. I give
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: them full points for I think Green Bay's a mess.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: But they went to lambeau Field and Blue Doors. I mean,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I give them credit for that win, but I think
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of good fortune otherwise. Well, I
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: don't know. Well, I mean, listen, when we went to
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the Jets last year, the game ended up not being closed,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: but it was. But it was much more competitive than
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: it looked. And I kept throwing interception. I would agree
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: with you on that. Yeah, they would move the ball
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: a little bit and he'd he'd give it to us
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and set up a touchdown. And then they move the
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: ball a little bit and he'd throw it to us
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and set up another touchdown. That's how that game went.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: And even then it was like twenty four to six
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, twenty five to six maybe,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know, ye, So the game wasn't doubt for
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Um. So, I been a long time
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: since the day. I'm just praying, you know, I got
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: my rosary beads out. I'm I'm I'm hoping that Mac
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: has a good game, because you know what, if I'm
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the Jets fans, I'm yelling zappy every time he's out
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: in the field, it's going to be bus. That's the chance. Well,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: who do you who would you rather face? No, but
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just to get into Max's head. I'm saying, yeah,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: but I'm asking you if you want to call for Zappy,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: careful what you wish for. Well, okay, but I'm I'm
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: doing that as a mean spirited thing. That's what Chicago was. Like.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Chicago came out on the radio, like I don't think
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: it was from the Bears specifically, but they said they
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: would rather have Mac come back in before the game. Yeah, Like,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think that was from the Bears themselves, right,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: that was the talk on talk radio. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: when we had our our guest on on. Because they
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: think because they think Zappy's better or that Max's not
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I think I think they felt like Zappy was hot. Yeah,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: you know, let's get the guy who hasn't played it
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: is supposed to the guy who's who's coming in on
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: a on a hot streak. Now, it turned out they
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: played them both, and they both The dissection of this
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: game is going to be brutal, like what plays were
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: called for Mac, you know, the whole thing. I leave
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: that to the smart people. No, but the smart people
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: are gonna have a field day with this one. Yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you know whatever. But but the thing is, and like
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I said before, it's important that we on this show
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: are objective and don't come at it from a certain angle,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: you know. So if the plays look like they're the
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: same plays that have always been called for Mac, we
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: need to be honest about that and say, what if
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: people disagree? What do you mean I think this? I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: think there's some disagreement on that. Like I but I'm
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: listening like Rant and Rave, you know, why don't you
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you know, why don't you let him go under center?
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Like Zappy doesn't? Then Zappie comes in the game in
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the first three plays in the shotgun, like, right, what
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: he's complaining about is not actually happening. Well, that's what
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like, but it's it's over now, forget it.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: It's fact. Yeah, it's out there. I mean. So it's
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: not only that they're calling all different plays, they're trying
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to do it on purpose. Right, So I think the
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: horses left the barn. It's like, but you know, great
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Badard and Dan Orlovsky, Chris Simms is he's another cat.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: But I mean these guys like, you know, they're professionals, right,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Why would they think that an offensive coordinator in a
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach would trying to sabotage their own player clicks?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Really a views? But but isn't that like diminish their credibility? Yeah?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I mean it's it's not necessarily clicks and page views
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: for guys like Ulowski and Chris Simms who don't really
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: have pages to click. They're just on TV. Yeah, but
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: they need a narrative, so they're looking at our local
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: guys see what's being written about. Oh, this will maybe
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: move the needle on TV. I don't know, everyone's like,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone really maybe like Mike Greaves and
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Karen Like, who's going through this with Like, Okay, I'm
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: gonna have integrity. I'm gonna like use journalism ethics. Like
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: it's all how can I how can I tweet out
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: this one quote in a way that'll get me the
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: most retweets and likes and will look a certain way.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: It's it's always the motive. But what they're accusing or implicate,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: you know, implying, is to me is sports treason. It's treason, right,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: And that's it's like it's like at the end of
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: the day, we're on a team and you may not
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: like the guy, but you're you gotta go in it
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: to win it, and that it's treason that you know.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: And that's my problem. Yeah, it's not the plays, because
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: if you want to tell, like Daniloski knows more about
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: football than I like forgotten, more than I'll ever know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: he got the guy played in the NFL. He played quarterback, right,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: So I'm not telling you that he's wrong that the
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: plays aren't different. I'm sure they are different, but yeah,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I don't care that they're different. I wanted them to
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: be different because I know what Mac Jones did last
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: year with that offense wasn't good enough. And I know
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: he could have done what Bailey Zappy did if they
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: if he was given the same opportunities. That's not my question.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: My question is can the offense get to a different level?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Can they do can they do some things differently? And
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: can Mac do that? Now? Maybe he can't. This is
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: why I said, I'm not letting Mac off the hook
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: for turning the ball over just because they're calling different plays.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: But I think you cross into a different area when
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: you say that they're setting Mac up to fail, so
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Zappy looks yeah, and you know, so people could say, well, okay,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: you know Mac can do what Zappy did, do it
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: because Zappi won with it. But Bill might be thinking,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: in Patricia, we've got to get this offense better. We're
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: not just thinking about today. We're thinking about how in
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the hell are we going to compete with Kansas City
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: and Buffalo. And if we don't start now, if we
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: don't start now and move from offense one oh one
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: to two oh one, we're never gonna get there. Right.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: You know, we can't start that in December. You don't
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: want we have to start second year quarterback playing like
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: he would a first year quarterback. There's no evolution there, right,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: we have to, like Paul said, we have to get
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: better than we were last year. And that might be
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: part of the problem, is it's not there. Yeah, like
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Max not better with these you know, alterations to the offense.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: That might be part of the problem. It could be
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I just I'm not saying that that's what Matt Patricia wants. Yeah,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Like I can't go there. He wants them to fail, right,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: he wants to sabotage him, like and that's the word
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: that I keep hearing it's it's a fireball offense, and
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I can't believe he would do that. I just I
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: just refuse, and it's just like totally illogical, like think
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, yeah, we got uh close to speaking
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: of thinking it out practice up. Yeah, so incomes Evan.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: So now we're gonna find out Mac Jones wasn't that.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Guess where Evan was practice? All right, Evan,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: what do you got? Same practice attendance as yesterday? Not
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: really much new more to report than that. No David Andrews,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: no Christian Barmore, no Kyle Dugger at practice today. We
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: only got stretching, So I cannot tell you much more
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: than that because there are, you know, some big pieces
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: there obviously, and I think, look with with Belichick naming
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Mac the starter this morning at least for Sunday, the
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: center situation is really interesting because obviously we know, on
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: top of just physically playing the position, the mental side
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: of playing center, making the calls, helping the quarterback out
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: pre snap and things like that is a big part
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: of what makes David Andrews extremely valuable. Now, I assume
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: would be James Ferrens, who has probably just as much
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: knowledge at this point of the Patriots protection schemes as
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: David Andrews does. So hopefully penalties, so hopefully that won't
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: be as big of a transition wow mentally there. But
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I like David Ferrens, but he's good for at least
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: a penalty against James. But that's okay, a close friends,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I can see this guy. I worry about Cole Strange
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: a little bit because I do think David Andrews has
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: really helped Cole Strange. Yeah, I do think. You know, Look,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think that there's one hundred percent a pattern
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: with it, but I do think that in situations where
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: they are in five man protect and they are trying
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: to get the ball down the field, more times than not,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I would say that David Andrews is opening left right
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: like he's snapping the ball and he's going to help
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Cole Strange versus go snapping the ball and going to
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: help Mike on WHENU right. I don't think it's one
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: hundred percent of the time or no, you know, completely calculated,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: but I do think that there are instances for sure
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: on the tape where Cole Strange is getting help from
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: the center where Mike on WHENU is taking the majority
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: of the one on ones, and in a week that
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you know, you sort of I don't want to say
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: under fire, but you know, there's been a lot of confusion,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the lack of a better word, offensively, I would say
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: that the voice of your offense is David Andrews. He
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: was the guy who stepped up in the summer when
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: things we're not looking so hot out there, and he
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: was on the field. We saw him do it off
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the field with us. We saw him talk passionately about
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: things like that. I think his presence will be missed. Yeah,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think that. You know, the Jets are not
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: a big blitzing team. Their zone team a Seattle three
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: type of system, so it's not a big blitz system. Obviously,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: they could game plan and blitz and blitz more this
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: week than maybe they have in past weeks, but just
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: on the whole, it's not really known to be a
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: big blitzing system. But what they do will do upfront
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: is stunt a lot. So there's a lot of post
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: snap recognition and post snap communication, maybe more so than
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: pre snap in a game like this, so that that'll
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: be something to monitor as well, the Patriots has done
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: a decent job of picking up stunts so far this year,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: but that'll certainly be something that the Jets will try
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: to do against them on Sunday. And then you also
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: have to worry about you know, Quinnin Williams, John Franklin
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Myers two really good rushers, but this is a rush
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: four type of team, but they do scheme it up
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: a little bit with the pass rush. Okay, what else
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: was going on out there? What was you know now
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: that it's known that Mac is going to be the starter,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: did that affect the mood at all? I wouldn't say
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: it affect the mood at all. Idea affect a mood?
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I was a little bit A little bit, Yeah, I
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: think that as well. The biggest thing is and look,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I know that Belichick wouldn't commit to it being a
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: long term designation, which I'm sure I heard you guys
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: talking a little bit about before I went out to practice.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: But I think the biggest thing is is now I
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: would I would move on from all of the Monday
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: night comparisons between Bailey Zappy and Mac Jones and looking
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: at it like okay and Max eleven drop backs he
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: had ex plays under center and ex play action calls
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and Zappy had X play action and X under center
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: and like going back and forth about how exactly they
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: called the game on Monday night and look at it
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: from a more bigger picture sense of, Okay, how do
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: we get Mac back on the tracks now? Exactly? Because
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: he's the starting quarterback and I think that Belichick made
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: that clear today when he named him the starter for
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Sunday and then also said that this was basically always
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: injury related, like once they felt like Mac was a
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: full go, which he is now off the injury report.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: In Belichick use those exact words full go. There's really
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: no conversation for the head coach. It's it's Mac. So
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: now we have to turn the page to what are
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: they doing that has led to this statistical regression for
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Mac and how can they fix it moving forward? Yeah,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: we were talking just before you came on that. You know,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: we know that Mac can run the plays that Zappi's
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: running or ran, but are those plays going to get
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: this offense better to a point where you can compete
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: with the big boys? Yea? And if the answers no,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: then the time to start the next progression of This
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: offense is now, not December, not next year, it's now,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and that could be part of the issue. You know,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: what we're seeing is like, Okay, so Mac comes in there,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: and we want to run offense two oh one. We
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: don't want to run offense one oh one, Right, And
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: that's why they're doing That's why it looks different. Yeah,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: definitely an argument to be made that quarterback with over
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: seven hundred drop backs in the NFL is going to
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: be more comfortable opening up the playbook a little bit
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: more or pushing the ball down to feel a little
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: bit more than the quarterback that has one hundred and
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: twenty or whatever it is that Zappy has under his
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: belt at this point. But I think the biggest thing
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: for me is they've gone from like A to Z
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: in one off season. Right. They were at a last
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: year with an offense that looked similar, had similar roots
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: to what they were doing with Bailey Zappy, and now
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: they're in a completely different offense with Mac Jones this
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: season that's very heavily vertical based. And you look at
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: the percentages, just to like put tangible evidence into this.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Last year, Mac Jones is deep passing rate, how many
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: times he was throwing the ball twenty plus yards in
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the year was eleven point eight percent, twenty first in
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: the NFL. This year it's twenty point four percent, almost double,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: and now he's second in the league in the NFL.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: So can we get fifteen percent right? Can we get
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: a middle ground here? And I think that's the biggest
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: thing for me is that, Okay, they've basically eliminated a
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: quick game, which is like you know, slant flat or
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: like a curl or a hitch route where the ball's
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: just coming out of his hands. He's reading is it man,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: is its zone, and he's making a throw based off
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: of where the open guy is almost instantly. It's quick
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: call quick game for a reason because the ball is
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: supposed to come out quickly. They've basically eliminated that. They've
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: cut down screens. They don't run as many screens, and
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: McDaniels was a screen guy, so they don't run as
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: many screens as they did last year. So everything that
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: he's throwing now is down the field. It's vertical based.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: And I'm not necessarily saying that that's not about it's
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: a good idea to have more of that, I guess
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: is what I'm getting at but why are we going
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: from you know, not as much of it to all
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: of it? You know, there has to be some sort
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: of balance between the two things. And I asked Mac
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: about it yesterday, just was this were you consulted about
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: making this chance? Was this something that you're happy that
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: they've changed and morph the offense into. And he said,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: good offenses can throw every type of pass, short, medium, long,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what he said. And I look at the
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: way that they're breaking it down right now, just based
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: off of the numbers and off of the tape, and
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: it's way too much of one type of pass. And
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: when you play like that, as we've seen other offenses
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: play like that, you know, I keep going back to
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Bruce arians right, and like Jameis Winston in the thirty
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: thirty season, like you're gonna make big plays, you're gonna
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: have good moments, but you're also going to have turnovers.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what we've seen so far from Mac
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: and the games that he's played. So I'm not saying
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: that they have to go all the way back to
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: square one, but you know, they've went from one to
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: five or one to one hundred, real fast here, like,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: can we go from one to fifty, right, and maybe
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: save some of these deeper plays down the field for
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: better situations in the game, all right, And I don't
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I don't have any any fact to back this up up.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I guess is to Evan's point, they probably would have
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: moved to that as they started off the season. They were,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: you know, turning the ball over a ton, and then
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: he got hurt, you know, and they didn't really get
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: a chance to evolve into Okay, what do we do best?
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: We went from this and now we're going to this
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: extreme the way Evan talked about it. Let's see if
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: we can find some middle ground and figure out what
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: are the players downfield that Mac is actually comfortable with,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: and then what are the things the staples that he
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: had success with last year that we want to continue
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: maybe to incorporate a little bit more often. And then
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: they didn't really get a chance to do that. It
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: was kind of a working out process, and then he
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: got hurt in the third game. Yeah, I guess, I think,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: you know, I was hoping the same thing, right, I
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: was hoping that when he came back from this injury
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: that they were going to recognize and it's not just
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: it's not just max skill set, right, it's also the
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: players on the team and what the other receivers are
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: best at, and the fact that you have these two
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: tight ends that you want to incorporate, and you have
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: an offensive line that quite frankly has some question marks
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: on it right now. You have a rookie starting at guard,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: you have some tackle issues that have come up over
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. So I don't know if
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones holding the ball for three seconds waiting for
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the plays to develop down the field is fitting their
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: offense the best. And I was hoping for that. But
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: in the eleven dropbacks that we did see from Mac
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: on Monday night, it was the same offense that they
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: were running in weeks one through three. So and that
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: is in a zero zero game, you know, opening drive,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: opening script, and you're still scripting these downfield plays. So
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: maybe they come to Jesus eventually with and what you
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: don't know is what would have happened had he stayed
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: in right, Like did they like was that part of
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the script? What they did? Not taking Mac out? But
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the play calls, like the sequence because
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: it was two three and ounce, you know, like I
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: don't know again and I before you came on't like,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not like absolving mac Jones in this right he
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: has a play, well, yeah, like neither of mine, you know.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's kind of getting lost because
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: it's just such a knee jerk to say, well, they're
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: setting them up to fail. It's sabotage. And you know
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: you're hearing it like from from Morelovsky and Chris Simms,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: you know, as well as Bodard. But that to me
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: is completely ignoring the fact that the guy is turning
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: the ball over it in alarming rate. I don't care
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: what play is called, you're supposed to execute it, and
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: they're not executing them often enough. The response, and I
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: hear you, I think the response I'd have to that
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: is is what they're calling from just a fundamental standpoint.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Fit the quarterback right, because you know, I think there's
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: throws that are going around Twitter, right and obviously the
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: interception was a bad one. The interception it's post wheel like,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: it's two vertical routes on that side of the field.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: They're trying to flood the zone and get a ball
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: down the field. Him fitting the football into between two
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: zone defenders twenty five yards down the field. Is he
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: built for that? No? Also, it was a pass under
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: duress and he just shouldn't have made it. It wasn't
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: he was a bad decision. You could set his feet.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: He threw it off the back foot like it was
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: almost like one of those gotta have it plays in practice,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: you know, And it wasn't a gotta have it play.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: You could throw it away. But that's second down, right,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: It's second down, and they're calling plays for him to
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: push the ball down the field and fit it in
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: between two zone defenders. And you know there's another play
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: that's going around where Jacoe Myers puts his hand up
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't see him down the sideline. It's a
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: thirty five yard whole shot against cover two. Right. You
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: had said that yesterday, and I talked about that a
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: little bit with some some other people would Scott Zolak
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: is strongly in agreement with you on that particular part.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Are you kidding like Josh Allen, like why why do
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: you think he's going to be able to make that?
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: He said he might hit that one out of ten, right,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: And regardless of how you know his tools and all
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. It's it's just a low percentage
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: throw to begin with for him to be able to
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: hit that throw and the arm straight that it takes
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: to make that type of throw, especially given the fact
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: that it's not your first read in the progression, so
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: you're basically coming off the seam and then getting out
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: to the vertical and then you're a little bit late
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: to it and everybody's like, oh, well, the safety's you know,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: shaded inside. That's Jaquan Brisker, the guy that picked him
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: off later in the game by making a ridiculous one
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: handed catch on the ball after Matt kicked him in
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: the NaNs. Yeah, so that's a safety. That's ultra athletic.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Eddie Jackson and Jakuon Brisker a really rangy players. And
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I had made that comment the other night too in
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: the post games. Like, for all the things that we
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: sort of criticize the Bears about heading into the game,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the one thing that no one really talked about. I
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: don't know if it was circumstantial with all their games,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: but the secondary has good numbers. Yeah, Like they were
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: like the third game has defense in football. Yeah, and
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: it's a sound scheme that gave them trouble last year
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: when they were in Indianapolis. So I just think that
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: there's which no one also talked when you look at
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: the big picture now of moving on from this quarterback
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: saga and with Mac being the starter at least for Sunday,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: and I think that that really is beyond until he
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: loses the job. I think, right, let's set but ask
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: me again, I had about four thirty on Sunday. Right,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Let's get him playing well again. Yes, And if you
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: think that's the key to the rest of this season
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: is to get him back right. And if you think
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: that him trying to hit the cover two hole thirty
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: five yards down the field to Jacobe Meyers on his
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: second read or third read in the progression is the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: best way to run an offense for the quarterback that
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: you drafted, then we just disagree because I just don't
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: see how that's what's best for him. I you know,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: what's best for him is getting the ball out quickly,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: using play action to create bigger passing lanes and more
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: open receivers down the field, like calculated shots down the
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: field like they used to do with McDaniels, And it
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: wasn't just with with Mac. You know that that was
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: the Brady offense for a lot of years too. It
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: was never you know, except for Randy Moss and I
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: guess you know times with Brandon Cooks, Like it was
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: never an aired out offense to begin with back then, either.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: So I just I don't see how they evaluated it
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: and said, you know, a vertical based offense where Mac
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: is gonna lead the league in deep passing rate and
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: be near the top of the league and average depth
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: of the target, like this was the best thing for
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: us to do with this type of quarterback. Like you're
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: just making you know, you're shoving a round hole into
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: a square path. To that point, David and Bethlehem writes
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: in a web radio atpages dot com, Guys, with respect,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: you are using the investigating scope backwards. Teams should start
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: with the skills your players have and grow them. Trotters
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: are not thoroughbreds at gallopers, not an ambler scheme without
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: respecting players' abilities is what we have seen. Patricia is
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: a neophyte offensive coordinator, offensive line coach, schemer and has
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: retarded Max's development and who has said Judge is going
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: to is going great guns, stop the progression, peatree, dish stuff.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Please look at the skills of the guys you have.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to do. Well, That's exactly what
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to do. I'm trying to figure out if
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I have a guy worth investing in moving forward. No,
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: but I said that if they're trying to go from
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: offense one oh one to two oh one, that might
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: be what he's talking right. And if he can't do it,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: he thinks he can't do it. Clearly d David thinks
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: he can. We don't have a quarterback so exactly. And
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I want to find that out now, not three years
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: from now when I'm deciding on his fifty year option
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  Speaker 1: at this point of the season, it's kind of like
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: the Cam Jared Stidham thing, right, It's I think at
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: this point you're you're on a path and you stick
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: to it, and switching the quarterback in week fourteen, you know,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: when you're when you're I don't know, four in seven
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: or whatever the record would be. I don't. I can't
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: do math off the top of my head, but whatever
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: the record is, I mean, like, what's the point, right,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think if that's true, and I don't,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily disagree with you, guys. I think it
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: might be him for the nine games whatever ten games left.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: That makes the decision to me Monday night even stranger, Like,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: it wasn't health related that he came out of the game.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: It wasn't. That's what they want you to believe. But
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: he had said we didn't think he could play the
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: whole game due to health reasons. He didn't say he
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: came out of the game at the time he came
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: out for health, and in fact, he said no, that
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: wasn't why, and he said it wasn't pretty planned that
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: he came out after the third series. And I know
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: that they're not saying, you know, he got he bristled
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: when Phil Perry said it kind of looked like there
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: was performance. Well, you can write whatever you want. I
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: think that was him saying, yeah, I know why you said.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: I can see why you're saying it that way, and
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: like he didn't have like the strength to just say no, well,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: yeah he's gonna because he's not gonna. He's not gonna
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: tell you. And I personally think he didn't say it today.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: But what Evans said is right. I think that he plans.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: Bill's thought process right now is he's healthy, he's back,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: he's the starter. We don't have questions going back and
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: forth now, but I think that that could change based
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: on his play if he continues to turn it over
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: at an alarming rate. I don't think it's gonna happen son,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: and I think I think he would have to do.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: And that's what he was talking about. You know when
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: you said, don't trap you can't predict the future, right,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: could there be a situation in which we Mac is yes,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: of course, you know, and I'm talking about other than injury, Like, yeah,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: I mean right, And that's why I think he didn't
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: say it, and that's why I don't think it's a
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: g I'm just like, he just yeah, he just can't commit.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: I just think it's shortsighted. Like if you're gonna, let's
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: say he plays three more bad games and then you're
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: gonna like, do you really think Bailey's Appy's gonna come
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: in and save the season. No, But do you think
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: that if they play, if he played three more bad games,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: that he might think this guy isn't the guy. Maybe
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: he doesn't, maybe he thinks that. But I just think
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: at this point, you ain need to sink or swim
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: with Mac. But b I think more importantly, you need
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: to let Mac work through the struggles that he has
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: because a lot of quarterbacks struggle early on in their careers,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: and I think that's what will happen. And I think
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: even if he does struggle, he'll work through it and
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: they'll they'll try to get through it. If he's like
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: shoulder the whole time, it's not gonna be a Nathan Peterman,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: he out there until it was four picks in the
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: first five play. You know that's the other quarterback might
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: do that. Sorry, who let's go to the phones. Pat No, no,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't mean Bailey, Zappy and then Zach
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Wilson just yeah, yeah, oh oh yeah. I don't see
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: that happen. They don't. They don't let him throw the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: ball enough to throw that many picks. What's up, Patty,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: I'm here, Freddy, Yeah, yeah, I gotta have the side
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: with them. And well, most of you guys, all of
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: you guys pretty much you don't know what a quarterback
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: is until a few years into his into his career.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: And I mean all this talk of I've seen enough
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: in Mack. I mean, have you He's played one full season,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: a rookie season. And kind of to touch on what
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Evan was saying, not everybody is a Tom Brady or
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: a Pat Mahomes or even like a Justin Herbert who
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: comes into comes into the league. It's their chance and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: just completely runs with it. I mean, this, what you're
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: seeing right now with Mac Jones is not the exception.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: That's the rule. I mean, you're not going to really
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: know what the guy is until pretty much the end
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: of next season, going into his fourth year, when you're
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: getting ready to decide whether you're going to pick up
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: the fifth year option on him or not. I would
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: I see, I'm going to push back a little bit, Patty,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: and I think he needs more time. I think he's
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: lost injury time this year and whatnot that I agree with.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I think the more the exception is the guy that
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: you need to figure out four years and then you're like, oh,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: he is really good four or five years. Oh, I
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: didn't think he was that good, but year four, year five,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: he really showed why everybody was so high on him.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's the exception. I think if a guy's
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: really really good, you see enough early on to say
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: this guy can do something. And I think Josh Allen
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: might be one of those outliers where it was really
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: bad for a couple of years and then turn done
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: a dime. I think that's an outlier. I don't think
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: there were that many guys like that. I think the
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in the league showed you they were pretty
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: good pretty quickly. How about Drew Brees, He was really
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: good in San Diego before he ruined his shoulder. He
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: was good in San Diego, but it took him two
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: or three years to be good in San Diego. Yeah,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: I think it was a second year he was. He
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: was a Pro Bowl and beat the crap out of
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: us as a rookie. I think, didn't he I mean,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they were in flashes. I mean
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: they were flashes with Mac. I'm just saying that Drew
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Brees being when he retired the all time leader in
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: passing yards. If you told somebody in San Diego back
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and one that that would have been
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: the case, well, I think I think you mentioned Drew Brees.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: He's an exception to a lot of rules. You know, uh,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: six foot yeah, the height, everything, arm strength, you know.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing, that's the thing that Josh had two,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: which is why people were willing to kind of wait
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: because it's like, look at this athletic freak the right
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: and it's like, you can't really compare Mac in the
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: same way to say, like, wait, but look at the skills,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: look at the athleticism. Let's wait and see if that translates,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: because it's a different That's why I brought up Drew Brees,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: not because I think Mac is going to be the
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: all time leading passing yards when he retires, but because
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Drew Brees is not a toolsy quarterback, right right. You know,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: So I do think that there are guys and I
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: think with Breeze until the shoulder injury and then you know,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: obviously things got murky for him. But for Drew Brees,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: it was a lot of physical development once he got
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: in the league. He was one of those guys along
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: with Brady, who I think is the other perfect example
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: for this, along with Brady, that really worked on arm strength,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: their their physical makeup to maximize their god given DNA
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: whatever they had to worry, right, And I would argue
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: that Brady immediately upon entering the starting lineup showed you
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: what he was capable of. That that's all I'm saying.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: I think more often than not, you see but I'm
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: not saying signs of greatness. Right, But you didn't. You
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: don't think you've seen in the last year and a
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: half any signs that Mac Jones could be a long
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: term starter in the league. You haven't seen anything that
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: makes you think that a long term starter or a
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: frontline starter. Those are two different things. I think he
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: could be Kirk Cousins, right, I think he could be
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, But I don't think he can be Patrick Mahomes. Well, no,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Joe Joe Burrow. I think Burrow is a good example.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think he could be those unicorn You know,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: there's not too many guys, No, there are, I mean,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: but but Joe Burrow is a guy who you know,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: he's a pocket passer for the most part, but like
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: you can just tell he's got it, you know, like
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: what if you take he's just what if you take
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: a better arm, for one, what if you take Jamar
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Chase and put him on the Patriots? I think it
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: helps because because I honestly, if you're one for Joe
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Burrow was rough. I know you had the injury, but
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: before the injury, year one for Joe Burrow was not perfect.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Also with a terrible organization and a terrible, terrible team
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: no offense. But right now the Patriots offensive coaching staff
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: and and what's going on around Matt Owns as well. Wow, Fred,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, listen, I think what what Evan
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: is basically saying is that he thinks Matt can be
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: a good quarterback. In this league, right, That's what I think.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: I've seen moments where I believe that, and until I
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: see him in a solid foundation and then fail, I'm
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: just not ready to give up on it. Good I
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: would I would agree with that. I think he could
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: be good. I don't think he could be great, that's all. Yeah.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: I think there are twenty good quarterbacks in the league.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: I think there are probably ten that's that's sucking, ten
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: that are really good. There's just I think he's in
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: the mid quarterbacks that maybe maybe you know, obviously the
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: math doesn't work there, but work, you know, work with me.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: There's just a few quarterbacks in the league now. I
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: mean I think that, you know, you can kind of
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: sum it up by some of the names we've already
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: thrown out, like Mahomes and Josh Allen that are truly
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: transcendent of what's going on around them. I mean, look
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: at Brady and Tampa right now, right, I mean, Tom
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: Brady's the greatest quarterback of all time. What do you
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: think the problem is with Brady and Tampa right now?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe him mentally you know now you know,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: but but can we sort of say, but if Brady
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: would be fine if he wasn't going through what he's
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: going through, because clearly he is a guy it's potentially,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: but what I'm clearly a man in turmoil. When you
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: see he also didn't want to go back to Tampa Bay.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: So no, that's but this is what I'm saying. This
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: is not because he can't do it anymore because of
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: those that the talent around him is eroded. This has
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. It's the same receivers that
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: he excelled with the team that his team is not
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: as good. He's a complete disarray he him. I mean,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: I watched a lot of that game of a guy
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: who puts up the numbers despite the team being bad
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: was Deshaun Watson. You know, you could tell this guy's
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: a good quarterback. He's just done a bad team. You know,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: there was just no doubt about that. Um well, I
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people, Yeah, they don't win enough,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: but even he, even Deshaun for most of his career
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: in Houston, had the un Hopkins. The Patriots don't have
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: to Hendre Hopkins walking through that door right now. And
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: it's no offense to the receivers that they have because
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: I think they've gotten better there. I think that they've
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: made improvements. I think DeVante Parker, Kendrick Bourne, Kobe Meyers,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Taekwon Thorton is much better than what it was in
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty for Cam Newton, or even probably in nineteen
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: and Bradies last year. But they still don't have the guy.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: You know, they still don't have a superstar receiver that
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: he's throwing too. I look, I just think that if
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: you look across the league in general, a lot of
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: what's going on with quarterbacks that are playing well versus
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are not playing well is what their infrastructure is,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: who are their receivers, what's the offensive line play look like,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: what's the scheme looks like? He's calling the plays right?
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, when guys that have all
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: those things all buttoned up, like Josh Allen, now he's
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: a perennial MVP candidate, and then guys that are not
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: in as great situations are struggling, even guys that I
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: think are good quarterbacks. I mean, I think everything you're
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: saying makes sense. I just am not a believer in
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: the skill set. I mean, that's that's my bottom line.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's special in any Way, I don't
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: think he does anything at a plus level, and I
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: think to be great you have to be have plus skills.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: So you can give him better players and that will
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: elevate him. But I don't think it's going to get
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: you where you want to go. Let's go to Sean
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: and Vancouver. What's up Sean. Well, I'm happy they're going
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: with Mac Jones this week. All that said, I am too. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: for sure. Well I won't be happy though, if the
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Patriots are insane and stick with doing the thing that
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't work. Over and again, I'm completely on board with
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: what Evan insane. I want to see him run an
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: offense where he's got max protection, he's understanding with the
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: play action, hitting the short and immediate passes give him
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: something easier to do in this to at least to
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: start the game. And then when bring the safeties downs,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: then you can go downfield when when it's it makes
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: sense like you're not playing on your heels, make the
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: defense play on their heels, make them react to what
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: you're doing. Yeah, no, that what you say makes sense.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: It all starts with that line. Though. That line's got
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: to play better. They've got to play better. They've got
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: to get rid of the mistakes because they're just max
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: gonna look terrible. If the line looks terrible, it's just
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: the way, Mr Chase. We gotta get better offensive line.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you agree, I'm not even talking about bringing into
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: I think they have an average offense. I don't think
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: that they have a special offense. I would agree. But
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: I just feel like a lot of the stuff we
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: say right now is stuff that I used to say
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: about Bledsoe. I loved bled Soo. I what Bledsoe footy pajamas?
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: And I used to say, well, if they just did
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: this and just did that, and they helped him with this,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: and they got him at and you know what, he
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: was always good. He was never great. I just don't
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: know how many quarterbacks in the league or that exists
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: on planet Earth are transcendent of the situation, right Like,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: I just want a god that's good enough to that
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: I can win it all with. And I don't think
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: he is. That's all. Do you know? I think that
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: he is individually like, because I guess the point I'm
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: getting at is, you know, I don't know how true
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: this is, but the narrative of always that you know,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick thinks that if he's got at least an
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: above average quarterback, that he'll be, you know, able to
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: compete for a super Bowl, right or whatever I think
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: he thinks or whatever. Right, So I agree with you that,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: you know, is Mac the type of quarterback that's going
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: to put the whole thing on his shoulders and carry
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: the Patriots to a super Bowl? Now, and I'm not
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: suggesting that you're saying that, I'm not being unfair about it.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing about getting to as getting to
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: a super Bowl, you need a quarterback who throughout the
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: season at times does put the team on his shoulder
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: in order to get that win that you weren't supposed
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: to get to get that comeback that gets you the buye.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: You know, um, you know you need a playmaker at
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: that position in order to get to the super Bowl.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: You know, I totally I think you just articulately better
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: than I than I did. That's how I feel. And
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's that guy. I mean, we we've
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: I've showed the Paul the stats that I had pulled
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: after the game on Monday night of you know, they're
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: o and nine when the opponents scores more than twenty
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: five points. They have yet to win a shootout with
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones as the quarterback, like like Brady won a
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: game when allowing more than twenty five points in his
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: third start, right like, and I totally unfair, Okay, I'm
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: not comparing him to Brady, but just the good quarterbacks.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: I'm just using it as an example of like, sometimes
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: you see something and I'm not saying, well, he's not
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Brady Paul, No, no kidding, Yeah, he's not, and I
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: no one else is either. But what I'm saying is
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: I saw something quickly and again coming from a Drew supporter.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: I saw something very quickly now Drew had that Drew
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: was excellent coming from behind, but he wasn't Brady. Yeah,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: And I think that the fact that we're gone now
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: ten games or so in those situations and they haven't
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: really come close to winning any of them, you know,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: like when they fall behind by two scores, like they've
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: never really even come close to winning one of those games,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: I think that you'd see some signs of hit. Well, yeah,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: you know it's coming, it's coming. He's getting that he's
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: doing this still time. And the worst thing that happened.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: You know, as bad as Monday night was for Mac Jones,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: the worst thing that happened was him getting hurt, period,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: because he would have just kept playing and then we
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: could have seen a little bit more of this. Yep,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: A couple of quick phone calls and we've got to
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: turn to the picks. H Williams and Philam, what's up?
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: William pay for what's going on? Hey? Hey, just wanted
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: to just want to pologize to y'all yesterday for my outbirth.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: I was just just frustrated with the team, that's all,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: and the coaches and stuff. That's all right, apologize passion
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: never apologized as being passionate. Okay, understood. Start it's gonna
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: dropping that far. I'm real back. Um, So the trade,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: damn mine is coming up or not? And can the
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: city just made a trade? Also? So I mean, I
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: know y'all want to see where Mac is that when
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: I why not just give him give him the um,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: just give him the challenge and whatnot, you know, and
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: just make a move. I mean did Uh there's receivers
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: that's on the block and whatnot, you know. Uh, Brandon cooks,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, Um Jerry Judy, h and many others and whatnot.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: I'd be interested in Jerry Judy, but like Brandon Cooks,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: like we're interested in bringing him back at this stage,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Like you know, we're complaining about the vertical game. I mean,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: that's but he's a piece for He's a piece for
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: a really good team. I also think I like both
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: of those clas. I like both players, but I think
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: that they're in different stages of their career. I'm thinking
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: in terms of I'm acquiring someone now that I can
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: be I can have with me going forward. Jerry Judy's
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: that I love the idea of Jerry Judy. I just
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: I do think that you know, you got two guys
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: in Jakobe Myers and Kendrick Bourne that overlap a lot
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: with how you're gonna use Judy. So basically, if you
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: make it, if you give up a lot of assets
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: to get Jerry Judy, I think it's a great player,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: then you're basically saying that Jacoby and Kendrick are not
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: gonna be Yeah, Okay, it's real quick, Paul. You say
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: they have enough receivers. Okay, we all did it, but
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: none of those receivers are none of the names that.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: I just mean, you know what I'm saying. I mean, like, yeah,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: I just don't. I like both of those players, but
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me that Brandon Cooks is gonna like
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: I think we got to take Brandon Cooks out of
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: it because dramatically change the equation of what their passing
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: game looks like. Is Jerry Judy, I'm not saying it,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: but he's better than all of them, and any of
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: them better than the pictures receiver. Okay. I think I
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: was told. I was told all summer how they have
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: all these receivers and all the depth and and all
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: sorts of calls about all of them, and I still
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: think that they are good. I really do, you know, Matt,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: I think the offense, you know, hit a speed bumps.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: Let's see what happens here now. But I you know,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: I think I think we've got we don't have, you know,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: elite receivers, but I think we've got a room full
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: of good receivers. I really do the rest of the
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: LEA agrees with you. I mean, they're getting calls left
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: and right for Agalore, Kendrick Bourne, DeVante Parker, like the
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: people of Jacoby, like everybody's calling the Patriots because they
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: see this log jam that they haven't receiver agents are
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: saying anyway, the problem those guys are going to be
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: free agents and they're drumming up up interesting. The problem
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: is more so, like we talked about with Jamar Chase,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: it's like, you don't have that bona fide stud. You
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: don't have that number one guy. You know, you don't
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: have Gronk, you don't have Randy Moss, you don't have
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: Wes Welker, Like you don't have that number one guy.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't know if Jerry Judy as
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: good of a player as I think he is. I
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: don't know if he moves the needle like that, Like
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: I think he's marginally better than the guys that if
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: you were if you were another team and you could
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: pick a Patriots receiver to trade for, let's just say
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: that for argument's sake, the price was the same for
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: all of them. Who would you take, Well, probably Jacoby. Yeah,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if I already have a one,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: I would take Myers. Yeah, I would take Tekwon Thornton.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: He's the only guy to be interesting. He's the only
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: one we're not trading right, because he's the only guy
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: that I don't know about yet. Yeah, right, and I
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: would like I think that's kind of what Kansas City did.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the first round draft pick to Darius
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Tony and I'm gonna roll the dice that he can
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: come to my team with Patrick Mahomes and he can
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: maybe fit better like otherwise I have those guys I have.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Green Bay might be a team that would take a
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: like like an Agalore and say, oh, he could make
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: a difference on my team because hey have nothing. TJ's
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Hey, TJ, Um, I think it was gonna
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: be dead. I am really disappointed in the band. I've
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: been the band for twenty years. Millennials like the first
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: to watch them. Blue the quarter in this light, in
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: this bowl, and I go men to collect narciss system
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: who block whatever quarter back and do something don't see hog. Okay, sorry, TJ. Sorry,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: I have to cut you off. The phone is not
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: it's cutting in and out. We can't really figure out
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: what you're saying. All right, Um, it's that time of
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: the week, Matt Paul. What happened last week? I'm afraid
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: to ask. Okay, so last week even nine and five.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: Look at that, Mike and Paul eight and six, Fred
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: seven and seven with the spread, it's not good with
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: the spread. Paul nine and five continues to do better
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: with the spread than he does overall. Fred eight and six,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: it's an improvement. Evans six and eight, Mike five and nine,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: go nine and five and then six and eight against
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: As we say many times in this show, with the
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: spread is where we separate. Fred is right the wheat
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: from the chief. Fred is right. I mean it's much
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: more difficult. Um tells me that you probably pick a
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: lot of favorites. I have to go back and check.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: But Um, I picked the good teams to win. That's
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: what I do. So season standings are as follows. Evan
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: is thirty eight and twenty two overall, far fewer games
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: played than the rest of us. With the three of
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: us that have picked every game, I am sixty six,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: forty one and one, Mike is sixty one forty six
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: and one, and Fred is fifty seven fifty and one.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: Alex is thirty eight and twenty four. With the spread.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I know that I'm obnoxious about this, but
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sixty four, forty two and two picking every single
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: game by the spreads. Good for you. That's over sixty percent,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: and it's it's it's insane. And I'm telling you I
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: have a couple of three and elevens common. I can
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: feel it. I'm gonna give you a treat. Uh, Mike
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: fifty one, fifty five and two, Fred forty three, sixty
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: three and two and Evan twenty seven, thirty one and two. Alex,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: you're still thirty thirty one and one's still time. So um,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: that's the that's the numbers as they stand, all right.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: A lot of room for improvement, especially for you. That's
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking About's all I care about. Um. Tonight
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: eight fifteen on Prime Video tonight, the four and three
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: Ravens are at the three and four Buccaneers. People say, oh,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: this is a good game. What is it? Is it? Yeah?
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think any Thursday night games
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: are good. But anyway, Tampa by one and a half. Tampa.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Throw myself on the ground. There too a point and
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: ahead of the thing that I don't like about him,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: I'll go first. I guess yes, the Duce seat. All right,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: I will tell you that Duce took Baltimore both ways. Okay,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: I'm also gonna take Baltimore. I Like we were talking
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: about earlier, some something going on with bro We'll we
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: all know it's going on with Brady, and I just
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: I can't trust the Bucks right now, Alex, would you
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: like to pick this week? Would you? Uh? Yeah, Okay,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: all right, let's go. I'm I'm taking Tampa Bay both ways. Yeah,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: I tend to take the home team on Thursday night. Um,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna I'm gonna take Baltimore. I'm gonna play
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: a hunch. I just think until I see a turnaround
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: with with Tampa, I have a hard time predicting it.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna. I'm going with Tommy. Uh. He
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: spent a week with Tony Robbins and Oprah and Alex
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: and all his friends and they got him right. And
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: I think Buccaneers turn it around. He actually hang out
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: with Tony Robinson Robbins. Oh, he did a whole event
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: with him, right, Tony Robbins, you're motivating. Yeah, and here
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: in Boston, remember Tony Robbins came, Oh no, but she's
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: meant this week. I'm just kidding about this fun see
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: I thought I thought you were being in sight. I
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: thought you were being soon enough. But that's he's I
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: thought he just had like this intervention coming ready. Well,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: that's that's the joke that you know, Tony Robbins and
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: the actual joke. And they were all you'd be quiet,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: and they were all in the room and they helped him.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: That's the joke, so I hope. So yeah, all right,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sticking with Tommy um for you getting up early
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: Sunday morning, nine thirty in London. It's the two and
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: five Broncos at the host two and five Jaguars, Jacksonville
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: by two and a half. Mister limit, I may not
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: be able to play. Oh he's playing. He was doing
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: high knees on the plane. He's playing hard. And this
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: is true when I read that, like he's able to
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: control his poops, so he only he only does it
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: once a week. That's some illumina. That's not good. You
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: need to it's actually it's actually twice week, twice Tuesdays
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: and Thursday. Yeah, said, he's not pooping every day. I'm not.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: I thought it. Yeah, like you figure out like what
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: to eat, like the types of food, so it all
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: gets made into energy and he only has to poop
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: twice a day a week. Can you just imagine get
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: rid of those talks in stole. Alex may know more
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: about nutrition than anyone I've ever met. Yeah, can you
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: just imagine, Like, and he's doing subway commercial on an
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: eight hour plane ride, and the quarterback of the team
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: while everybody else's dozing, offer watching movies or whatever, is
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: working out in the aisles of the plane. Right, I'd
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: be like I was another Yeah, yeah, I'd like hard
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: sit down. If I was a flight attendant, I'd real
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: like I have I have no I'm gonna pull a
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: Fred and make a spie pick here, and I'm taking
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars. I have no reason to agree with that,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: learning I just I can't do it. This is why
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: I don't really make fun of Fred that much about
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: the picks, because half the time he loses on purpose,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: just just for the sake of now Mike. In the past,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: Mike is with um, Mike is with Evan. He takes Jacksonville.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Jacksonville. I will not bet on
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: a constipated quarterback. Oh oh yeah, that too. Because it's
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: it's Tuesdays and Thursday so by the time you get
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: this Sunday having in London. Um, I agree with that.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: I will take I will take Jacksonville as well. I
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: don't like this pick though. I just Jacksonville finds a
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: way to lose this. Listen, not only am I taking Jacksonville,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: it's a lock. It's a lock. Um. I'm really good
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: for me because I took jackson I just really liked
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. I think he's a good quarter I think
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: he I think he played well last week. But they
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: you know, they come up like a half a yard short.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: I know it's just like now he has a problem
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: with touch. He's got to get a little bit more touch.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: But I just I really hope he has a good career.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: What a waste if if Jacksonville doesn't get its act together. Um,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: one o'clock on Fox two and five, Panthers at the
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: three and four Falcons Falcons by four and a half.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: Mike has Atlanta winning and Carolina covering. Huh, Carolinas, they're frisky.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: Last week's Wow, that was it. That's their super Bowl.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: They're done. Yeah. I tend to agree. I do really
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: wonder in Atlanta if we're going to see Desmond ridder
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: this year, though, I would I'd like to see that,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go Falcons as well. I'll take the
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: I'll take the Panthers though to against the spread three
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: point game Alex I took Falcons both ways. Oh. I
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: like how she has to do the eric and look
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: up to see who she took up. Um. Yeah, I
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: will take Atlanta both ways too. And the dead has
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: been ritter thing I find interesting. You know what's kind
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: of hurting them is even though they don't have a
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: good record, but that division is so bad they could
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: win the division they could have. It's not that Mariota
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: is playing badly. You can just tell the way they
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: call the game that they just don't trust Mariota to
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: do anything right. Really, you know. Oh, like it was
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: amazing last week they would down like twenty one points
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: in Mariota had had attempted like two passes. Yeah, it's like,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: what are we doing? Yeah? But like, if Tampa was
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: having the kind of year that they should have had
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: and they had a three game lead over at Lanta,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: now I think that you're desperate litter thing would be
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: in play for the second half of the year. But
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: if you're Arthur Smith winning the division matters. It's just
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: back to back years. You take Drake London and Kyle
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: Pitts and they work like and it's not like they've
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: been busts. They both lived shown flashes of ability. Yeah,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: I'll take Atlanta both ways me too. One o'clock, the
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: three and four Bears, coming off a huge win, huge win,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: are at the five and two Cowboys. Despite that huge win,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: the cow Boys are still favored by nine and a half.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: That's a huge spread. I do like the Cowboys in
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: this game. I think you said it was the Panthers
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: super Bowl last week. I think that might have been
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: the Bears super Bowl on Monday night. So I'm gonna
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: take the Cowboys. But that's a huge spread, So I'll
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: take the Bears to cover that spread. Mike took the
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: same thing Dallas with Chicago to cover. Alex has to
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: look at her notes. Yeah, I'm looking at it deciding
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: if I want to go back, but I don't. I'm
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: gonna take Dallas against the spread and Dallas, well, obviously
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: Dallas to win, but both ways. Yeah, I'm taking Dallas
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: both ways too. I think they slowly worked back back
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: into the mix. Last week he was a little erratic.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: I think he'll be more comfortable this week. I'm gonna
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: short week on the road for the Bears as well.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: I'll take the points. I'll take the points. Cowboys win,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: but they don't cover one o'clock four and three Dolphins.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: Two was back at the one and five Lions, Miami
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: by three and a half. Mike has Miami both ways.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: This is this is another tough one. I'm gonna take
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: Miami too. Two is still a question mark to me outside.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: This is one of those you know, situation versus how
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: good is the quarterback? Actually, they started off right and
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: then they didn't score another point right well, largely because
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: he got really erratic. He started getting lover. He was
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: very lucky he didn't throw three or four picks. And
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I just don't know how he
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: picked the lines to win anything right now. So I'm
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: gonna take Miami. Miami Detroit covers. Okay, I'm gonna take
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: Miami both ways. Um. I think that they get a
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: little of that same kind of deal to his first
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: game back. I think he was a little erratic at times.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: I think he's better this week. He definitely got lucky.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Some of those Pittsburgh defensive backs had some place to
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: make that they failed. Alex Is correct, Dolphins win, but
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: they don't cover one o'clock three and four. Cardinals are
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: at the five and one Vikings Vikings by three and
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: a half. Interesting future scouting game here for the Patriots.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: Both teams are on the schedule. M Mike likes Minnesota
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: both ways. I'm gonna take the Cardinals flat out. I'm
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: gonna take the Cardinals, folks. As Fred likes to say,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: that's your upset special of the week. Yeah. So last
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: week they play on Thursday night, right, and DeAndre Hopkins
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: comes back, but it's a short week and they don't
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: really have an opportunity to get him acclimated. We had
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: ten for one h three. I have my fantasy team.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: Those are better numbers than I thought. They were, just
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: no Touchdow'm not changing my mind now. I think that
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: they figure it out a little bit. I still don't
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: like the Cardinals overall, but I think I think they
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: got to get some wins here soon. I have Minnesota
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: both ways. Yeah, I am gonna take Minnesota, but I
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: am with evan Um. I think Arizona found a little
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: something last week had ten days off. They get Hopkins
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit more up to speed. I think they cover.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they win, out right, I
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: think I like Evans pick. I'm not going to go
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: all the way. I'll just I'll middle it. But I
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: could see an upset coming here. I think Arizona probably
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: has as much, if not more, talent than Minnesota. Paul,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: you are correct, that's the right pick Minnesota with Arizona
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: to cover. That's right. I also know there's some new
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: maps and Call of Duty that came out recently, though,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: so that also hurts me with Kyler. Now, okay, one
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: o'clock on the two and four Raiders are at the
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: two and five Saints. The Raiders by one and a half. Interesting. Interesting,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: I can't take the Saints. What say Mike said, Vegas
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: both ways? Yeah, I'm with Mike. I can't take the
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Saints right now. After watching the Dalton last week was
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: just and he's playing. Oh yeah, he's started. Yeah. Nick
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Underhill does a great job covering the Saints. He used
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: to cover the Patriots. Yeah, and he he's you know,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: that's their guy right now. And even I think he said,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: even if everybody's healthy, they're still rolling with that. We've
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: used Nick on the pregame show when we I think
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: we've used some last year a matter of fact, when
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: we played the Saints. Good guy. Yeah, that's a tough one.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: Alex Raiders to win, Raiders to cover. Yeah, I'm gonna
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: take the Raiders both ways. I think the Raiders are
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: one of those teams that has a bad record that
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: isn't a bad team. Yeah, I'm gonna go with the
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: Raiders as well. One o'clock two and five, Steelers are
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: at the undefeated Eagles at six and zero, Eagles by
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: ten and a half. Mike Mike takes Philadelphia and lays
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: the points the Eagles are. I think the Eagles are
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: the most fun team to watch in the NFL right now.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: I love watching the Eagles. They offensively, they're like everything
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: that you know us New ag people that like to
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: study the film want them to be right there. Rpo
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: Field Like it's just great. It's like, Okay, this is
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: exactly athletic quarterback, Like this is exactly what offense in
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two is supposed to be designed. Like, I'm
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: taking the Eagles. I think they even cover this guy.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: I think Pittsburgh's in trouble. This spread scared me. I
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: took Philly to win, but I gave the Steelers a bone,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: let them cover. I did too. I think that they'll
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: put up a fight. I thought they played hard Sunday
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: night on the road in Miami. I thought they had
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: an opportunity in that game. Backdoor cover. Yeah, the Battle
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: for Pennsylvania. I think the Sharps know what they're talking about.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: Eagles cover. Now we skip over the Patriots at one
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: o'clock and we go to four oh five. The four
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: and two Titans are at the one four and one Texans.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: Titans just do it every year, don't they. They look terrible,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: and then they just find a way to scratch off
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: some wins and kept keep themselves relevant. Tennessee by two
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: and a half. It's also bizarre because I don't even
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: think their roster is that good anymore. No, and yeah,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: they look like they're on their last legs with Derrick
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: Henry too. Tennessee both ways from Mike. By the way,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Tennessee both ways too. I mean, they're
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: still better than the Texans, even if I don't think
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: they're as good as their record indicates. But yeah, that's
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: it's a wacky situation down there every single year. Maybe
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: it's just the division. I mean they play some cupcakes
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: in that division. Tennessee, Tennessee. Yeah, I'll take the Titans. Um.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: I liked the video of Vrabel with Ben Jones. Did
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: you happen to see that? Evidently Ben ben Jones was
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: like a hair away from the hospital. Yeah, and he
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: somehow made it through the game. And I don't know,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: I fall for that corny kind of football stuff like
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: it gets me Tennessee like I yeah, I wouldn't go
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: far as far as say I shed a tear, but
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: I like that kind of stuff like that that resonates.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: But I know, I know with these guys, I think
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: that's where having a coach who actually played the game
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: at that level, yeah, like football like and I was
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: gonna say something stupid like I know what it. No,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it coach, but but I just
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: can appreciate what it takes to play a game like
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: that and not have it physically. And Fred again articulated
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: it better than I did. A guy who played knows
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: what Ben Jones went through. And I think that was genuine.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: That was that was cool? Uh the you like the
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: Tennessee both ways? Yeah, me too. Teen Titans um, teen
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: Titans go? Is that what it goes? How it goes?
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Four twenty five, the three and four Commanders are at
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: the three, three and one Colts. Nobody has to watch
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: this game. I promise no one's going to be upset.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, this is a four o'clock game.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: Don't watch it. Is that what you say? Yeah? I
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: will be watching this on red Zone for two reasons. No, No,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: that will not be one of the reasons. Not one
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: of the reasons. No. First of all, it's the Patriots.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: Opponent next week is the Colts. And I don't know
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: about you guys, but I like to try to be prepared.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: I like to try to work. But secondly, you got
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: a new quarterback plan. I want to see what he
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: looks like. Yeah. So Sam Ellinger, somebody described him n
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: Solac I think it was he writes for The Ringer
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: described him as Jalen Hurts. If Jalen Hurts was bad, okay,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: right like that, that's that's sort of what we're samer
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: For the seventeen years that he played for Texas. I
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: always said to myself, this kid's a really, really good
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: college quarterback, and there's no there's no shame in that.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be remembered forever as he was a really
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: good sounds like somebody who should be low budget western
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: movie Colts by three. But I and Mike likes Washington outright.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: I don't even know who to pick him this game.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: Washington's not starting, Carson Wentz right, all right, I'm gonna
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: take the Commanders. Then I think Taylor Heineke is not
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: not He's not He's like Bailey's appy, right, like he's
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: just got some energy about him. No, I didn't, but
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: it's similar. Someday he could be right, Like, it's just
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: the energy that you get with him in there. I
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: just I have more confidence than that than Sam Ellener. Yeah,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Commanders to the Colts. Pissed
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: me off? Can we let other people pick? Oh? Oh, thanks, Alex.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: We gotta get going ways, It's really not like it is.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: It's not nine minutes for like three games no more.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: I will take Indianapolis to do a read and then
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: you have Washington. I have Washington both ways. Four twenty five.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: One of those games is why I separate from three
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: and four forty nine ers are at the three and
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: three Rams? Uh, the forty nine ers on the road
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: by one and a half. Wow. So this is the
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: one where the forty ninety nine ers on the Rams
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: on the Rams stepping the playoffs last year. Correct, It's
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: kind of like the Saints owned Tampa Bay except for
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs. But didn't they play already this year
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: and the Rams and beat them? No, soundly, no way
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: the other way around. I'm taking the forty nine ers again.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: I just think the Rams are something like they have
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: some players on there that might just be told the
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: Rams are a bad example of what I always rail against,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: Like it doesn't matter how about your offensive line. Is
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: the Rams can't win because their offensive ones. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: that's because you're a Stafford, you know. But that's like
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: I would say the same thing about Joe Burrow a
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: couple of years, like you can't win like that, like
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: all the time taking the Niners. Mike took the Niners
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: as well, Alex, I haven't watched as much Rams as
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: you guys have. Apparently I took the Rams both plays. Yeah,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: I'm taking the Rams both ways too, and I know
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: that the Niners absolutely own this thing. There's something wrong
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: with Jimmy g he did. He looks like a guy
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: who didn't have anyways, something wrong. But he looks like
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: a guy who didn't have any training camp because oh,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: by the way, he didn't have any training camp. He
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: just looks off to me. I also don't for I
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: know Debo didn't practice yesterday. I didn't know that strength.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: He's on my team, so I know Devo didn't practice yesterday.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: We'll see if he if he practices today, I'm going
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: with the Rams both ways. UM four twenty five, the
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: six and one Dables are at the four and three Seahawks.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: A great game Seattle by three. Who who had this
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: one as one of the few games of the week
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: involving winning teams. This was a great game. Um. I've
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: been picking against the Giants like all year, and I've
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: been every time. I think I'm one and six picking Giants.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if I should continue to pick
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: against the Giants because eventually it will break my way,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: or if I should pick the Giants and come off
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: of it. I'm gonna pick the Giants and uh DK
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: is not playing in this game for Seattle, which I
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: think is a big difference. And I think that looked
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: they're six and one like they obviously got something going
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: over on over there. Yeah, Mike like Seattle both ways. Wow,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: without day. I like Seattle both ways too. It's partly
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: just I'm so blown away by Russell Wilson not pooping
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: that I want him to just suffer like complete misery
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: this weekend. I want for Denver now, I want old misery.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: Why don't you listen? Couldn't need you to listen. I'm
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: gonna take Seattle as well. Um, I'll just continue to
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: be wrong with the giants. Yeah, I'm gonna go with
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: the gents both ways. Um, eight twenty on Embry Sure, uh,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: three and four Packers are at the five and one Bills.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: What was thought to be a marquee game has not
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: turned up that way. Buffalo by ten and a half.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: Ten and wow, how the Mighty have fallen? Wow, Bills roll. Yeah.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: I like the Bills in this game. I like the
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: Bills to cover. The Bills are good. Mike doesn't go
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: I said it. I know you guys always get on
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: my case about that. I have Buffalo to win. This
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: is the biggest spread of the weekend. Freaked me out.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: So I have Green Bay covering. Oh okay, I'm gonna
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: take Buffalo both ways because that's what I'll be rooting
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: for when I'm watching you. Because I hate Aaron Rodgers. Well,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: I'll be rooting for the Packers by a run. The
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: red Ass McDermott's cover eight fifteen. On Monday Night, the
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: four and three Bengals are at the two and five
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: Browns Cincinnati by three and a half the Poop Bowl.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: These well, I don't think either one of these teams
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: are particularly great, honestly, but I'm gonna take the Bengals.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: I think Cincinnati's been playing better. I think Cincinnati is
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: this close. I think they're close this clo. Yeah, the
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: defense is pretty good. I understand they made the Super
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: Bowl last year. I just I don't think they're a
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: super Bowl team. I'm not convinced about the head coach. Still,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not either. I still think that there's just something
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: about that operation that seems not like a finely tuned machine.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: But I do think they have a lot of talent.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: I think they're much better than the Browns as well,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to take the Bengals, and I think
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: three and a half is kind of disrespectful. Ones. I
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: think this is a lock. Yeah, Mike, like Cincinnati both ways, Alex,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: I like Cincinnati both ways. Yeah, I will take Cincinnati.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: But division game, I'll take the home team getting the hook.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: So I'll take Cincinnati and Cleveland to cover lose by
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: a field goal. Like every other AFC North game, they're
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: all decided by a field goal, So both ways for me, Cincinnati.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: All right, Now we go back to one o'clock, just
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: in time. The three and four Patriots are just so
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: you know, you only have five minutes, so make this
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: pick fast. I have a read, I have to introduce
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: John Rook. I have a lot of things to do.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: Patriots are at the five and two Jets. So this
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: game Patriots by two and a half. Sorry I jumped
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: the gun there. This game is an old school comes
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: down to the trenches. Which team can protect the quarterback better?
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: Can't wait to watch this one because both quarterbacks statistically
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: are the two worst quarterbacks in the league while under pressure,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones and Zach Wilson. So which quarterback can be
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: protected better? Which offensive line do you have more faith
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: in both of them are gonna be missing well, Jets
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: are missing several offensive line with the Patriots probably gonna
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: be missing David Andrews right sad. Yeah, it is already
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: truly a trench's battle. I have the Patriots twenty to sixteen,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: and I ultimately came to that conclusion because I just
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: I still think that Zach Wilson's skill set, I don't
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: think that he's mobile enough that that's part of the
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: equation here. I agree, and I still think that Bill
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: Belichick is gonna scheme it up with Zach Wilson and
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: have Zach Wilson hand him the game. I just can't
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: I can't see. I can't get over that it's not
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: just in fields where he's gonna turn it into a
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: track meet and run around, you know, the playground, like
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: this is going to have to be an efficient game
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: for Zach Wilson. I don't see it. Mike is a homer,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: so he took the Patriots both ways as well. Alex
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: I took the Patriots both ways. My score is kind
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: of similar to Evans two. I had twenty seven sixteen.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: I also like the Patriots both ways a little bit
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: lower scoring sixteen thirteen. I think there'll be a lot
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: of field goals. I agree with Evans point. I think
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: Zach Wilson is very mobile, but he's not a design
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: run mobile kind of quarterback. He'll scramble for some yards
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: and maybe avoid some sacks, but I don't see him
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: controlling the game the way Fields was able to last
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: week with his legs. I don't think he's that kind
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: of player. I think he's too small to just minutes
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: fields in Lamar, right, Like, you know, I know Week
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: one was Week one, but I think Week I threw
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: a Week one out because I just think it was
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: a disaster of a of a start to the year.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: But Lamar and Justin Fields are the two guys that
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: have beaten them, uh, you know, straight up basically right,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: you know, put that situation and his only relatively productive
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: game with the season, Mac is full go and the
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: Patriots allow him to use the good plays this week,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: so they they're gonna they're going to give him good
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: plays this week. Thirty three fourteen, Wow, Patriots win this game.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna turn it over more than Evan?
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: Thirty three fourteen Patriots win, get back to five hundred
• 1:52:41
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