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Patriots Unfiltered 10/14: Full Breakdown and Observations of 25-19 Win Over Saints · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: One of my favorite things about the Super Bowl is
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know about that. That took a turn.
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 1: It is Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: Here at Jillette Stadium, and let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 2: For and two babies set them up. We'll just knock
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  Speaker 2: him down. Just bring them on, just bring them on
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  Speaker 2: in a row. Yeah, it's three in a row, going
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  Speaker 2: on the road for hopefully three in a row on
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  Speaker 2: the road to Tennessee. But a lot to digest from
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  Speaker 2: the Saints game. Drake May continues to just I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know, just show us, show us what he can do
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  Speaker 1: in a good way.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's amazing the leap that he's had since last year.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing, amazed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, probably maybe we'd have used it every week
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  Speaker 2: any day. No, it's good, it's good stuff. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think the best thing that I like coming out
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  Speaker 2: of this game, and again it's it's Evan, it's Paul,
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  Speaker 2: it's me, it's Deuce, Matt and Alex in the booth.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that I like best coming out of the
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  Speaker 2: game Sunday was the maturity of the team one overcoming
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  Speaker 2: some questions, I'll be nice, questionable officiating and not letting
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  Speaker 2: it affect them, not letting penalties derail drives for example.
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  Speaker 2: You know other editions of the Patriots that would have
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  Speaker 2: that's it. They would never recover. And then after the game,
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  Speaker 2: the mood wasn't like woo, it was no, we left
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  Speaker 2: a lot on that field and we need to be better.
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  Speaker 2: And to me, that's showing maturity of it. They want more,
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  Speaker 2: they want more.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with That was the number one thing that
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  Speaker 3: impressed me was the performance. I feel like they played
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  Speaker 3: better than you know. And if they're not satisfied, I
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  Speaker 3: think that's great that they think that they're capable of it.
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  Speaker 3: But I think they all the things that people worried
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  Speaker 3: abutt really didn't manifest, like are they going to be
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  Speaker 3: ready to go?
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  Speaker 1: They're going to come out flat.
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  Speaker 3: They gave up the bomb on the first play, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so I do recognize that. But then they immediately regathered
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  Speaker 3: themselves and come up with a red zone stop, something
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  Speaker 3: that hasn't really happened a lot this year. The red
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  Speaker 3: zone defense has been a problem. It wasn't a problem
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday offensively, I mean, come on, you come out
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  Speaker 3: and score touchdowns on three your first four drives of
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  Speaker 3: the game. YEP, didn't finish as well as they would
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  Speaker 3: have liked, but I just thought they were approaching it.
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  Speaker 3: They were not flat, and even the freaking come out flat.
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  Speaker 3: They came out ready to play.
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  Speaker 2: Even that first play. It wasn't because they were flats,
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  Speaker 2: because they were over aggressive, screwed up.
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  Speaker 1: I agree.
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  Speaker 3: I think that was a little bit of a an
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  Speaker 3: aggressive call for the first down of the game, right,
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  Speaker 3: you know. I thought overall, the Patriots played a really,
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  Speaker 3: really good game, and they needed to because the other
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  Speaker 3: team played well.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's all about may I mean that For me,
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  Speaker 4: it's you know, you can dive into defensive nuances about
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  Speaker 4: what they.
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  Speaker 1: Need to improve on in the running game.
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  Speaker 4: But we've been talking about it for what five years now,
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  Speaker 4: trying to get this quarterback, and I'm just amazed by
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  Speaker 4: the progress he's made. I didn't expect him to be
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  Speaker 4: this good, to look this locked in, you know, even
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  Speaker 4: from what we saw in the summer. I mean in
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  Speaker 4: the summer it was still kind of up and down,
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  Speaker 4: even in the joint practices. You know, it was all right,
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  Speaker 4: it might be a little bumpy for him trying to
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  Speaker 4: get on track with this offense.
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  Speaker 2: But you bring up a good point, because there was
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  Speaker 2: no indication from the summer that he'd be this good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean otherwise, and I'm just talking about the offense
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  Speaker 2: as well as a whole, Like there was no indicators that, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this offense is going to get it going, but they did.
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  Speaker 1: The Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I would say there were moments in Minnesota
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  Speaker 4: where and the granted it wasn't even like really the
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  Speaker 4: competitive eleven or on eleven periods, but that was the
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  Speaker 4: first time I saw Diggs and I was like, there's
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  Speaker 4: something there between these two guys, and Digs just to
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  Speaker 4: me at that point, I was like, he can turn
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  Speaker 4: it on when he wants, so, I you know, you
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  Speaker 4: saw little subtle hints that it might be coming, but
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  Speaker 4: you know, and Drake being comfortable. I think that was
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  Speaker 4: just something this summer that he doesn't look overwhelmed. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it didn't necessarily translate to you know, perfect consistency throughout
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  Speaker 4: you know, every practice and stuff, but you know, just
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  Speaker 4: the strides he's taken in these last three weeks where
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  Speaker 4: he just seems un unrattleable. Is that I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if that's a word, but like he just doesn't he
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  Speaker 4: doesn't get off track. He doesn't, he stays, you know,
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  Speaker 4: he gets smacked and then he comes right back and
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  Speaker 4: makes a play. And you know, I said it this
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  Speaker 4: morning we were talking just for me. The big thing
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  Speaker 4: we had talked about a lot, even in the early
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  Speaker 4: part of the season was drifting into pressure and just
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  Speaker 4: not having a good feel for the pocket.
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  Speaker 1: And those things are starting to go away.
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  Speaker 4: Now he seems like he's buying time, he's stepping up
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  Speaker 4: into the pocket, he's delivering throws, he's taking a subtle
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  Speaker 4: step to the left, and you know, buying himself just
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  Speaker 4: enough time to deliver it.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, the the I mean, the.
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  Speaker 4: Sky's the limit for this kid right now. He just
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  Speaker 4: he seems like he is locked in and playing really well.
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  Speaker 1: And then what.
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  Speaker 2: Can you say about Kaishan Boody. I mean, everything that
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  Speaker 2: gets thrown to him he catches, and they're not just
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  Speaker 2: like random you know plays. These are big plays, like
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  Speaker 2: third down, gotta have it plays, you know, behind the
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  Speaker 2: sticks plays.
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  Speaker 1: He's he's I mean, he's really.
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  Speaker 2: He's talk about consistency this year, he's been mister consistent.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been really good. I think really the main
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  Speaker 5: thing with Drake is like his decision making is just
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  Speaker 5: it's at an elite level right now. Like there's just
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  Speaker 5: not very many instances on tape where he's throwing the
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  Speaker 5: ball the wrong places. Now there maybe are one or
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  Speaker 5: two sprays a game that they're still kind of managing.
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  Speaker 5: But at the same time, when you have a quarterback
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  Speaker 5: that's playing on time, in rhythm and understanding, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the structure and the concepts of the offense to get
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  Speaker 5: the ball out to the right reads consistently, it's just
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  Speaker 5: it's really fun to watch. It's it's great to see it.
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  Speaker 5: It's fun to watch. His tape is basically flawless. Like
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  Speaker 5: the last three weeks, it's very hard to find things
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  Speaker 5: to nitpick about, you know, his individual play. I mean
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  Speaker 5: in this game, really the only thing that you could
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  Speaker 5: really get on him was the delay a game down
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  Speaker 5: in the red zone, Like that was pretty much the
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  Speaker 5: old only mental error he had for four quarters. In
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  Speaker 5: this game, the turnover worthy play rate is way down.
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  Speaker 5: He's not putting the ball in harm's way as much.
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  Speaker 5: His ball security in the pocket is significantly improved. He's
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  Speaker 5: not getting stripsacked or putting the ball at risk in
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  Speaker 5: terms of that as much either, including the lack of interceptions.
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  Speaker 5: So this is an elite level quarterback play. He's playing
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  Speaker 5: like a top five quarterback in the league. And I
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  Speaker 5: know last week, we got some calls about MVP, and
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  Speaker 5: you know those types of discussions.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to continue to get him.
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  Speaker 5: He is in the conversation. It's six weeks into the season.
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  Speaker 5: It's really early still, but MVP, All Pro, Pro Bowl,
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  Speaker 5: like all of that. He's in the conversation for all
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  Speaker 5: of these accolades at this point in the year.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see if he can continue.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's week six, so you know, we
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  Speaker 2: got eleven games to go.
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  Speaker 1: But we got to show to do today. And right
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  Speaker 1: now he's an MVP guy.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, he's playing at that.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm with Evan.
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  Speaker 3: I just off season everybody, all anybody ever wants to
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  Speaker 3: ask you about is how what do you think?
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  Speaker 1: How do you how do they look? What do you?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think this year? You know, what what's
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  Speaker 1: the record?
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  Speaker 3: And I always said the same thing, and out of
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  Speaker 3: seven eight wins, you know they'll be improved. They've they've
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  Speaker 3: definitely added talent. And then I always wrap it up
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  Speaker 3: with my caveat unless Drake may does X and we've
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  Speaker 3: seen it like this is like every week he's adding something.
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  Speaker 3: The Buffalo game was incredible, right, some of the individual
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  Speaker 3: plays that he made were just there's not a lot
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  Speaker 3: of guys in the league that are capable of making
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  Speaker 3: some of the throws some of the escapes that he did.
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  Speaker 3: This game, to me was far more impressive because the
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  Speaker 3: things that Evan talked about. It's maybe you could go
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  Speaker 3: back and look at that Buffalo game and say, well,
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  Speaker 3: why did you run to the right there. All you
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  Speaker 3: had to do is you had just set your feet
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  Speaker 3: throw the ball the guy's right there. This game, he
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  Speaker 3: did that and there was there was traffic around him,
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  Speaker 3: there was pressure in the pocket. It wasn't like the
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  Speaker 3: pass protection is flawless, But he's just navigating around. He's
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  Speaker 3: making throws down field while guys are tugging on his shirt.
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  Speaker 3: He's sliding subtly one way or the other, keeping his
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  Speaker 3: eyes down field consistently and protecting the ball. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: and not like Kevin said, there's no real I think
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  Speaker 3: he might have had a turnover where they play. It
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  Speaker 3: might have been his quarterback sneak that he fumbled on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that he ends up like just landing on the ball.
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  Speaker 1: That I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what they record for these but coctametric sites,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't see anything resembling a turnover for a
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  Speaker 3: while now, and that's the secret sauce. When May doesn't
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  Speaker 3: turn the ball over, they win.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the only thing.
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  Speaker 3: And he's responsible for them winning, like he's putting the
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  Speaker 3: offense on his back.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean there's turnover where they play rate
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  Speaker 5: as a rookie was three point five percent. He's now
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  Speaker 5: down to two percent as a tenth best turnover worthy
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  Speaker 5: play rate in the NFL for a guy that came
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  Speaker 5: into the year with turnover concerns, and we saw it
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  Speaker 5: against Pittsburgh. You know, we saw some of those come
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  Speaker 5: up a little bit, but for the most party, he's
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  Speaker 5: really that out and that has been really steady. I
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  Speaker 5: think the other encouraging part about it from an offense standpoint,
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  Speaker 5: this was as open as Patriots receivers were getting down
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  Speaker 5: the field as I've seen in years on their film.
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  Speaker 1: Like Pop Douglas.
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  Speaker 5: I know the one got taken back, but I'm talking
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  Speaker 5: instructure open, like the first that actually counted.
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  Speaker 3: The first touchdown was a play action a little bit boom.
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  Speaker 2: That was the play, even the one that was way
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  Speaker 2: off the mark. To Kyle Williams, Kyle Williams is wide open.
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  Speaker 2: He just they I don't know if he cut the
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  Speaker 2: wrong way the one yea later on?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Well so you know Pop is on the
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  Speaker 5: first touchdown just running a little corner post and like
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  Speaker 5: he just dusts the safety. Yeah, and he's just opened
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  Speaker 5: by like ten yards safety.
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  Speaker 3: That was unbelievable coverage. You must have had a fun
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  Speaker 3: time with that. The corner is letting them go, letting
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  Speaker 3: Douglas go to the safety. Yeah, and the safety runs
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  Speaker 3: the same direction as the corner.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like your whole job. You had one job.
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  Speaker 5: He doesn't, you know, gives a little nod to the
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  Speaker 5: corner right, Like he gives a little fake like he
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  Speaker 5: had a break on the corner and then he breaks
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  Speaker 5: it on the post and he just separates like he
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  Speaker 5: just to open field. Kaisehan Booty on his second touchdown,
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  Speaker 5: same thing, you know, a little burst corner route, you know,
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  Speaker 5: set up the inside and then break out on the
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  Speaker 5: corner and the cornerback gets turned around. Cool, it just
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  Speaker 5: gets turned around like a top. And I'm watching it
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  Speaker 5: yesterday and I'm like, when's the last time you could
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  Speaker 5: see deep targets down the thin Yeah, I mean those moves, sure,
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  Speaker 5: some of it, I'm sure, but you know, a lot
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  Speaker 5: of it also is just you know, the way the
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  Speaker 5: route is designed and the play is.
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  Speaker 2: Designed, you know, like getting that leverage and you know,
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  Speaker 2: seeing where the leverage is and working against that.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, Booty's second touchdown is a route
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  Speaker 5: that I've seen Julian Edelman run a hundred times, and
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  Speaker 5: that's exactly what you do. You know, it looks like
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  Speaker 5: it's a crossing route. You kind of fake to the inside,
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  Speaker 5: get the corner to bite and come off his leverage
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  Speaker 5: to the inside, and then you break out and you
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  Speaker 5: can break out into open space and see two guys
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  Speaker 5: on two downfield. You know, deep balls, get that open
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  Speaker 5: on a Patriots film. It's been a while. It's been
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  Speaker 5: a while since they've done that. So you look at
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  Speaker 5: the way teams are defending Drake and I wrote about
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  Speaker 5: this and after further review all the single high structures
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  Speaker 5: that they're getting with the post safeties and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 5: if you keep playing them in single high safety, he's
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  Speaker 5: torching you like he's leads the league in passer rating,
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  Speaker 5: leads the league in EPA, leads the league in passing
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  Speaker 5: yards against those single high safeties, so if that's what
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  Speaker 5: you keep doing against him, they they're making them pay
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  Speaker 5: for stacking the box and doing the whole easy to
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  Speaker 5: defend thing. They're not so easy to defend anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, they are right now.
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  Speaker 2: But we're going to talk about that because one of
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  Speaker 2: the other things that came out of this game was
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  Speaker 2: the running game.
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  Speaker 5: Well, this is my point, is that they're putting eight
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  Speaker 5: guys in the box to take away the run game,
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  Speaker 5: and they're basically daring the outside receivers on the Patriots
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  Speaker 5: to beat them. And every single week, the Patriots outside
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  Speaker 5: receivers are going out there and winning these matchups. So
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  Speaker 5: at some point in time, the defenses are going to
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  Speaker 5: have to adjust and they're going to have to back
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  Speaker 5: off the line of scrimmage and put two high safeties
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  Speaker 5: or play with more cushion, or whatever the case may be.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the chess match.
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  Speaker 6: Like.
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  Speaker 5: Once that starts to happen, now there's more rooms.
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  Speaker 2: So you think the running woes is because of eight
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  Speaker 2: in the box.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a big part of it. Now, there's
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  Speaker 5: definitely other elements to it. It's not the only thing,
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  Speaker 5: but I think a big part of it is that
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots right now are seeing single high safety more
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  Speaker 5: than any other offense in the NFL. They're number one
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  Speaker 5: in the league in terms of single high safety rate
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  Speaker 5: in the league. So out the book right now on
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots is that they don't have the talent on
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  Speaker 5: the outside. So you can put eight guys in the box,
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  Speaker 5: you can put your corners on islands, and the Patriots
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  Speaker 5: are not going to be able to.
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  Speaker 1: Beat your coverage.
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  Speaker 5: And through six weeks they are third in the league
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  Speaker 5: and total EPA through the air, So they're not just
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  Speaker 5: beating the coverage, they are beating the coverage.
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  Speaker 1: At an elite level.
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  Speaker 5: So at some point the adjustment has to come back
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  Speaker 5: the other way and the Patriots are going to be
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  Speaker 5: defended differently.
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you because I know sometimes the
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  Speaker 4: numbers on next Gen are wrong, But we talked all
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  Speaker 4: last week about them being a big Cover two team
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  Speaker 4: and playing a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot of you know, did you see that, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you were there live.
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  Speaker 4: Did you feel like that was a conscious choice to
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  Speaker 4: be like, We're going to try to spin the dialum
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  Speaker 4: a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to play a lot of Cover one to
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  Speaker 1: see if we can mess them up a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, did it seem different.
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  Speaker 5: No, No, but the playing a lot of Cover three
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  Speaker 5: and Cover one in this game New Orleans did. And
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  Speaker 5: again I just think that these teams look on paper
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  Speaker 5: at Keisham Boudi and to Mario Douglas and a thirty
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  Speaker 5: one year old Stefon Diggs, and they come into these games,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Matt Collins, and they don't think the Patriots
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  Speaker 5: have a lot of talent at receiver. And we can
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  Speaker 5: have that conversation of do they have talent at receiver
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  Speaker 5: or is Drake Maye just as good and he's just
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  Speaker 5: putting the ball in places that can't be defense.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's why.
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  Speaker 5: But regardless of the chicken or the egg like, it's happening,
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: you know. And so I think with the run game,
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: what happens when teams start to respect the Patriots passing
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: game and they back off a little bit and they
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: play a little bit two more too high shell, you
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: get that extra defender out of the box. Can they
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: still not run the ball at that point? Yeah, let's see,
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: because right now that it's that's the blueprint and the
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: Patriots are torching the blueprint.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: And that's one of the things when we talked about
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: like three you know, I don't know, three or four
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: weeks ago, the offense was playing reasonably well. I thought
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: they had a good game in Miami.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: The only game that they really didn't look good offensively
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: was the first game.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: The other five games, I think they've they've been pretty Yeah,
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: they've been pretty productive. They haven't scored as much as
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: I would like, but they've moved the ball pretty well.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: And in the other five games, and I would I
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: would say that they were lacking some of the chunk plays,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: and I think I thought that's what was keeping the
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: score down. And now the last couple of games, you're
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: starting to see some of those chunks.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Sorry x's thank you, And you're starting to see some
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: of those.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: And you got you got three, you know, three passes
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: that he completed that traveled I think twenty five yards
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: or more in the air.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Something like that.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: Three touchdowns, the three touchdowns, Like that's like that's directly
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: putting points on the board. And then you look at
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: that and you're like it was still only twenty five,
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: you know, like the week before, you're still only twenty three,
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: you know, getting these plays, so they're going to need
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: some support.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Freddy's point from the other part of.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: The trip to the end zone where they got down
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: to the two with May's run, that was a waste.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: That was a wastee. That's got to be a touchdown
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: to get out. Yeah. Yeah, it's got to be a
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: touchdown on a field goal.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're rush offense. Like I said, there's multiple reasons
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: as to why they're struggling. I think the biggest one
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: in this game was the blocking. Like they were blocking
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: in this game, struggled and they went backwards Mike.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: And I who haven't fun.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: That's what I want to get to because, like you know,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: I know I'm looking at it from this, you know,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Layman's perspective, but I get the feeling that there's so
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: much emphasis on pass blocking and protecting May that when
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: they get to run block, they don't have that same fire,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Like it's almost like a relief. Okay, it's just a
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: run play. I don't have to worry about May, And
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: they don't seem to be holding their block ye long enough.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: You know, there's some culprits of that, you know, in
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: this I thought in the first five weeks of the season,
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: they run blocking had been okay, not great but fine.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: In this game, they went backwards six times, they had
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: six negative.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Runs, and they had a lot of guys in the backfield.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's a season high. It was not
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: a good run blocking game. The Saints seem to have
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: a pretty good beat on what they wanted to do
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: in the run game, and when every time Jared Wilson pulled,
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: that guy was just firing right through his gap and
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: there was nobody there to block him. So they really
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: struggled to run block in this game consistently, just across
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: the board on the offensive line. You know, I think
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: they still need a little bit more out of a
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: Winnu as a run blocker. I think Jared Wilson struggles
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: right now in the run game. I don't think he's
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: his power. I don't think he's quite big enough to
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: play guard. Will Campbell had some iffy moments in this
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: one as well, in the run game, you know, backside
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: cutoffs and things like that. So this is it's not
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: one person, it never is. But across the board, they
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: had some rough reps of run blocking in this game
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: that they're going to have to clean up. But you know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: like the big thing here, and then you know, I
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: have there's obviously things to work on defensively, but like
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: these are first world problems again, Oh like this isn't
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: like they're only going to win four games because they
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: can't run block, Like this is.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Like you'd rather have the problem now be running rather
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: than passing.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Yeah.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: They're four and two, so like they're not losing games
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: because of this necessarily, But the run blocking is an issue.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, they get down on the goal line, they
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: have two runs from like the two yard line, they
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: get nowhere they go backwards actually on the penalty right,
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: So you know, you just can't you can't have those
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: kinds of runs.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: And then I also think I truly believe that Remandre's mind,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: you know, about protecting the ball effects is running that.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I think there's probably a little too to that.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: But the numbers for Henderson aren't any good either, So
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I think what Evan's talking about is valid. I mean,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: that's he's breaking it down. Mike and I just using
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: sort of the eyeball test during the course of the game,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: because there was you know, I'm not suggesting that you
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: were one of these guys, but there was this notion
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: that it's the blocking's fine, it's all on the backs,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: like you know, the EPA is. You know this, and
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: I know Henderson in particular, I think has a negative EPA,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: one of the worst in the league. There have been opportunities,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: I think individually with big plays like they might have
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: like a twelve yard run where it's there and a
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: guy's missing a cut or not seeing it right and
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: not maximizing a big play, and I know that can
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: skew the numbers. I don't think there's been a ton
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: of that. I think there's been a lot. Now, this
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: might have been the worst game to Evans point. He
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: has the numbers, so I'm going to trust him. Where
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: they have the atration, like.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Yeaheen yards before contact for the entire game.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: You go on that that goal line, you know, sequence again,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: so it's first and goal from the two. Right, you
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: got a one yard run, maybe even inside the one,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: nothing wrong with that, and a goal line, good tough run.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: The next one you lose three yards and they had
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: no shot, They had no chance on that. It was
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: one of those I think, you know, like if you
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: go back and look, I think we were talking about
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Godja like pointing like he's.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Like Wilson find up off the line like you could.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they're tipping it.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: You know, the inexperience that picked you know that tipping
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: the power or whatever the play is going to be.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: I don't want to get too much in ex of those,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: that's not my thing. But like it just looks like
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: they know what's coming. Yeah, and that's not the running
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: back's fault. I know he's he probably is trading on
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: old the ball. But no, no, this was this was like
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: a narrative last week that suddenly developed.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: Because the metrics are you know, back that up for
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: the first five weeks of the season. Your eyes don't, okay,
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: but I'm just I'm not telling you that the run
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: blocking was fantastic. I'm telling you I said definitely wasn't
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: on that ye're blocking about the first five weeks of
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: the season. And still like the Patriots right now are
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: thirty second in the league and yards after contact generated
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: by their running backs, so the worst tackle breaking running
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: back group in the league.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: It's not a very explosive, so they don't break. Henderson
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: has been running right into tacklers. I mean, I think
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: that's active, they don't.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: Break any tackles, they don't add any yards onto the blocking.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: So in this game, I'm not this game was separate
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: like this gamestand what you're saying. The first five weeks
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: of the season, I think they should have been the
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: twentieth best run blocking running team instead of the thirty second.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: So I can live with that, right, they were talking
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: about and what we deal with this, like you know, oh,
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: this yard is all over the field, just the running
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: backs of the problem.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: You got to get rid of Stevenson.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: It's like the running backs are a problem, to be clear,
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: a problem, not the problem.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, but the right they just explained it perfectly.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: I think they need more from the running game, and
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: they need more from the running backs. Like I get it,
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: he's fumbled the ball three times, he fumbled it seven
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: times last year. It's in his head. And I totally
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: understand that with Ramandre Stevenson. But you know, they they
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: can't really get away with this, like they just don't
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: have enough production on the ground and they don't break
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: any tackles. So like when you look at the great
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: running backs, are the guys that are adding yards to
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: what's blocked because.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Barkley, like Christian McCaffrey.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: Those guys are breaking tackles, they're making guys miss, they're
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: seeing cutback lanes and setting up blocks to make blocks
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: better to ten. Yeah, and they just don't get that
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: out of their backs. But you know, the other thing
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: that I think really stood out to me in this
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: one was just a little bit with the rookies, Like
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: I just I didn't really think either rookie run blocked
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: particularly well. I think in particular, you know, Jared Wilson
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: was rough. Uh, And so I think that there's room
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: to grow for both of those guys significantly. And you know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: well it's just like, yeah, I think there's room to girl.
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: I mean I've noticed these games over my career now
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: of like like there's certain games where it's like a
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: pot pourri of whose turn is it to make a
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: mistake this time? You know, and it's like it's never
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: just one thing that you point to and you're like, man,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: just you know the left tackle, Like it was like
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: one of those games where it's like and now you're
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: going to screw up, and now this guy who hasn't
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: screwed up, he's going to screw up. You know, like
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: I've seen those games before and that's why I have
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: a little bit of hope along with like not breaking
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: tackles like that feeds into me to the verable thing
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: of stop worrying about fumbling, Like you got to just
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: try to get away from guys. You can't just the
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: second somebody's going to hit you and crumble. You know,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: hopefully they get some confidence maybe like they do start.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: An example of that where I would say Evans analysis
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: is is on with the third and seven.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Draw that we all hated.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in the first half of the one drive in
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: the first half that resulted in no points third and
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: seven draw, Like there's not a lot of contact there,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: and like Stevenson just goes down.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, but.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: Like you know, stay on your feet. But yeah, it
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: just it's tough to watch their run game at times
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: because if it's situationally good, then I think you can
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: get away with it. If they're good in short yardage,
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: if they're good on the goal line, like those types
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: of things.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: The second iteration of the dynasty basically was that it
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: was a Brady heavy offense, but when it was formulted offense,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: they could grind out first downs when it's goal to
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: goal situations, they could run it in with Garrett Blunt
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: and those kinds of guys. You know, now, situationally it's
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: all on May like you're third and eleven because you
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: can't run the ball at all at the end of
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: the game. Well, now, fortunately May's played at such a
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: high level it hasn't mattered.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: So it's as Evan said, it's first world problems. And
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: you know that's a developing story the run game. But
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: right now the big story is Drake may Uh is
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: amazing as we started the thing. And the other development
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: is Efton Chisholm returning kicks.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: He's just one make a step away.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: He's one step away from getting in there.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: He got two snaps on offense, both kneel downs. He
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: want him there on.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Those neil downs just so no one could we need it,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: just so no one could say we're going to see
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: him on offense.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, they say, what you did?
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And I think he looked adequate returning kicks he got
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: up there.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: You know, it's a Rabel's talked a lot about wanting
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: that play to be like a weapon for them. Without Henderson,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: it's not going to be a weapon. Like if they
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: don't have Henderson and Gibson back there. Gibson Gibson's hurt,
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: so obviously he's not going to be back there.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: It's more like, can we get the thirty yard line
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: and not turn it over? And I guess that's just
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: the world that they're gonna have, not.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Turning it over. Yeah, yeah, fifteen fouls all right, and
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: we did hit seventeen foul walls.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Good stuff, good stuff, all right?
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: Anything else before we turn over to talk about the
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: defense a little bit because I, you know, Ivan after
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: further review and you know, and I and it's uh
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: interesting to me.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Because you know, we said Spencer Ratler completes a lot
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: of passes, and you know, really, my my impression was,
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I I started things off with giving Spencer Ratler some credit.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I didn't the pressure numbers were weird.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, by what next Gen said, this was like
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: the best Patriots pressure game of the whole season, which,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: you know, to Paul's eyeball test, didn't really totally jive
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: with me. But I do think that Spencer Ratler did
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: a good job of navigating quickly and getting the ball
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: out quickly, and you know, My impression, and Evan wrote
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: about it too, is you know, it seemed like we're
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: going to give some cushion. We're not going to get
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: beat over the top by these fast guys, and we're
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: just gonna come up and see if Spencer Ratler can
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: continually execute and complete passes and not make mistakes. And
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I kind of think he did, you know, and it's
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: it's they completed a lot, and you know what, for
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: me watching the tape, it's just frustrating because it's.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, what do you do? Do you do
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: you press them more? Do you try to live the sword,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: die by the sword and be.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Willing to give up some big plays but try to
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: take away the But it seemed right off the bat
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: they wanted.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: To blitz him pressures that he's been doing this. This
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: wasn't like an outlier for him. His completion even.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Better than it's been.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: But I agree with Mike. I was expecting a lot
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: of little dump offs and checkdowns.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I'm with Mike. I was impressed with Rattler in this game.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I thought he played well. I thought he got the
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: ball down the field. But Patriots had three plays. I mean,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, four players of twenty one or more yards.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: The Saints had three. Yeah, let me ask you question.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I was surprised by that.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: I thought it was going to be checked down city
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: without when I saw his completion percentage in the yards
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: Chrysal Lovey was averaging like seven yards of catch.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: He was in this game. He averaged sixteen in this game,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and he dropped three passes. He might have averaged way
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: more than that. For next Gen, he held the ball.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: What constitutes the pressure, So next Gen and Pro Football
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: Focus do it differently. So next Gen is the tracking data.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: They use the chips and the pads for proximity to
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: the quarterback. Which is why I don't really love it,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: because because like you have if you're on the other
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: side of the offensive lineman but you're getting you know,
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: walked back.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like exactly right. So it's not as good.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: Pro Football Focus, uh watches the tape and grades the
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: tape and sees if guys are winning, you know, be
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: winning their blocks. I thought that the Patriots defensive line
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: was pretty good in this game, and I thought that
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: there was you know, this is where we get into
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: the conversation of like what is a impactful pressure and
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: what's just like a drive by. Yeah, And I think
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: that that's where the conversation is with the coverage, is
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: like it's hard to get legitimate pressure on a quarterback
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: when he's getting the ball out in two point six
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: seconds because there's open receivers for him to throw the
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: ball to down the field. So like if you have
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: you know, Christian Barmer is winning, you know inside, but
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Chris a Lave is wide open in a slant window
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: right behind him, It's like, yeah, that's a hurry. But
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: like it did rather really feel that pressure or not?
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: And I thought that was the case in a lot
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: of these games. Is I think like the defensive line
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: looks like it's primed to like kind of take over
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: some of these games, and they just week and they
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: just can't cover for long enough in the back end.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: So in order to play that complimentary type of defense,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: does the you know, does the coverage need to press
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: down a little bit more and not give so much
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: of a cushion.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: I was so they did against Buffalo that the plan
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: against Buffalo is to play man to man, impress the
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: receivers and challenge the receivers to beat them, and and
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: the Patriots defense won more rounds than they lost against
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: the Bills. In this game, they played like seventy percent
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: zone coverage. Everything was in front of them. My guess
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: is that first play to a Lave kind of spooked
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: them a little bit and said, you know, maybe there's
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: more speed on the field. And you know, she heeds
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: extremely fast. A Lave is a good downfield route runner,
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: so that I think they backed off a little bit
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: this game. And I know I was getting it during
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: the game, like, is it are they really giving him
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: that much cushion because it looks like on TV that
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: they are, and the numbers in the film bared that out.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: You know, they were giving them quite a bit of
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: off coverage and cushion on the outside, And just like
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: Deuce was saying, they kind of were just making Ratler
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: dice him up.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I, like I said, I don't want to
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: take that away from Rattler. I thought he threw the
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: ball pretty well. I think he actually threw the ball
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: better than his numbers would indicate. I thought he was
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: let down a couple of times by a Lave. I mean,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: one of the biggest plays of the game was was
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Chucky Trees, you know, forcing that fumble that they didn't
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: call a fumble because for some reason, the officials just
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: decided not to watch the game this week. And this
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: is not a Patriots or Saints thing. There were a
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: number of questionable calls in the game period, all over the.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Place, mostly on the Patriots.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: See the ball that Charles Woods knocks out of a
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: lobby that was a third and seventeen and that's going
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: to be twenty yards and he had I mean, it
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: was a great, great catch by a lave, but it
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: was a catch in a bumble. It should have been
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: but that that's one of those underrated plays that that
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: forces a punt because he knocks the ball out and
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: they call it incomplete.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: There was a play on the on this. I think
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: there was a little.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Double move that he had on Carlton Davis where Davis
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: had a tug them. Like, I was impressed with the Saints'
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: ability to get the ball downfield in this game, which
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't really anticipate was going to be a problem
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: at all. And I think Evan's right the first play
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: may have kind of spooked them from that point on.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: And you know, I give the Patriots defense a lot
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: of credit for two things one. The red zone defense
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: has been an issue for most of the season. It
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: was excellent in this game. They came up with a
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: number of stops and forced field goals and I'm not
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe some of them weren't technically in the
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: red zone, but they were red zone adjacent. Now I
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: think they had at least I think they had at
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: least three that were in the red zone that they
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: came they forced field goals on. And the other thing
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: is this is now becoming a pattern. They did it
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: against Miami, they did it to a lesser extent against Buffalo,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: forcing the field goal to tie rather than the touchdown
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: to go ahead. And then in this game when they
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: had to come up with plays defensively, they were able
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: to do it. Now they got a little fortunate in
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: this one that Lobby drops a second down pass that
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: somehow Adam AlCH Archoletta said he was not quite able
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: to get his hands on, even though it hit him.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: In both hands.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: But they got that stop. The previous play a good
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: punch out by Christian Ellis on a play in Patriots territory.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: The Saints are moving on that Juwan Johnson pass. Nice
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: punch out there, so situational. I think the Patriots defense
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: has been pretty good. And we might look at the
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: numbers and say, well, you know, it seems like the
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: other teams moving they are, but when it counts, the
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Patriots are making the plays.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: And you mentioned situationally, isn't it nice to have a
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: coach who you know, knows the situation and you know
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: can throw a red flag in this type of situation?
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: That is key.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I mean that late challenge was that ended the game?
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: That ended the game?
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: The game anyway, argument with Joe Murray and the postgame
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: show about that, all right, what was the what was
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: the argument?
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Well, Joe said, you know, what do you think of
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: that play? It effectively ended you know what, it basically
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: ended the game? Was how big was that play? And
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: he was the protector was like, well, I don't know, I.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Mean they you know it was then then he's laid
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: off like what it would have been when they would
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: have gotten the ball back with like forty seconds.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, the game was over the way, but it
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: officially allowed them to just take mews in the clock
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: was going to run out.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, last couple of years of games never any credit,
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: but a couple of couple I didn't take.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I talk about better, but I was going to say
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Mark thought Marcus Jones was excellent again in this game,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: really two straight games. Excellent as a defensive running back
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: all over the proving, I mean, blitzing, covering guys, three
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: big third down plays I think he was involved in
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: for stops.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: And Christianell has showing a little bit too. I mean
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: not not just the you know, the the force fumble,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: but you know, getting hands on the ball like you know, around.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Several ties here. I actually thought he made two good plays.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: I thought you were you were on a good track,
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Marcus Jes right.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Stick with Marcus Jones. Yeah about the finger way, he
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: made a couple of plays.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: He did get it and he did make a couple
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: of plays.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I'll give him. Marcus Jones, Oh is your guy? I
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: was pretty good?
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: He is.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I thought Farmer had a couple of reps. Yeah, Farmer.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: They've been grading. I mean the run defense has been great.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: This is it's a weird defense because the numbers, uh
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: you know, yards, efficiency metrics, you know, passer rating allowed,
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: like they're not good. And then they're only giving up
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: twenty points a game, which is seventh in the league.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: So they're the seventh ranked scoring defense in the NFL,
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: but they're twenty fifth and passer rating allowed, Like those
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: things don't normally go what it is.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: It's like Pauls thing like Paul said about like the
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: Patriots could situationally just run the ball when they needed to.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: It's almost like the defense is kind of like that.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like too, where when they need to get
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: the stop or they need to get you know.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: They make it second halves too, like they've they've done
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: a nice job of adjusting three points in the second half. Yeah,
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: and they really got rather back down to earth in
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: the second half of this game statistically too. But they
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: came out in the first quarter and they have the
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: Saints were averaging like nine yards of play. You know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: they were just going right down the field on them.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: And then they tightened up in the red zone. They
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: forced field goals and they keep the scoring down. But yeah,
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: you know, they're they're not good in terms of their
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: past defense, Like statistically it's not good, but then you
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: look up and they only have nineteen points. So it's
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I never know what to make of
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: defense is like that.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: This one was the big football math game, like they
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: just kept forcing field goals and the Patriots got touchdowns
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: and that was the difference.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: This was a sinky part of me. That's like, you know, wondering, pondering.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: We've seen some Patriots defenses in the past that would
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: just absolutely dominate the crappy teams and the meaningless downs,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: and then you know when they get into a tough
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: game I'm talking about twenty nineteen where they really need
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: to have it, like they can't do it. You know,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: is this defense maybe not the opposite, but a weird,
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: demented version of that where it's.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Like they know when they played a tough teams, right,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, they passed the first.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: And that's why I don't really want to like, you know,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: stake my flag and it's just yet. But it's almost
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: like I feel great, like third and seven end of
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: the game, like they need to have it.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I feel great about the Patriots defense.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Whereas you know, third and five middle of the game,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: like I don't they're probably gonna get that.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: I'd be happy if it was third and five at
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: the beginning of the game. They don't get it down.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: That's these games, you know, what you want to know
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: one of Mike's big thumbs down was after this game
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: second down defense, but that was.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Kind of like it was a weird and then looking
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: back on it, it was also connected to the first
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: down defense.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: The first and second down. Like their run defense is good,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: they're getting to the field on third down.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: But you know, they don't start well on defense. And
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: if you want to point, you can point to any
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: one thing you know, is a game plan?
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: Is it?
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: You know, getting getting guys ready to play, which I
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: think is cliche and corny, but like whatever it is
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: that is making struggled, They've basically struggled in the first
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: quarter defensively of every single game.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: I think the other team has had a better plan
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: to start the game. And now give the Patriots staff
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: a lot of credit. I think, like Evan said, they've
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: adjusted and they've it's definitely been better as the game
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: has gone on.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: These defenses remind me a little bit of the Patricia defenses.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: And I know I'm going to say that and people
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: are going to freak out, but like the ben.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Don't break and like the you know defenses like that, yeah,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: se And that's what it reminds me of them. Not
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: a little Russian three.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: If you can tell me that they'll continue to be
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: good situationally like they have been, then I think this
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: is really good defense in the modern.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: And right, that's right, That's kind of what I was
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: getting at.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: That's that's why, to Devin's point, they're sitting at twenty
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: points allowed in top what the seventh seventh time, because
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: they're able to make the plays and the key downs.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: I think the days of a defense just going out
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: there and two thousand Baltimore Ravens and you know, throwing their.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Ray Lewis on the field dominating.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: I don't think you see a lot of teams do
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: that stuff anymore, not against good offense in anyway.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Seattle, I watched a little that Seattle game against Jacksonville
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: and they have a very good defense.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: So that's one defense that I jumps off the field consistently,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: just all over the place.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: It would just be nice to see it better some
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: one start, like start hot one one week.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: But I think we want to get a lot were
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: trying to do. We're going to get a lot of
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: things that were looking I mean it's not Wednesday yet.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not ready to move ahead, but I think you
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: can get waiting for it tomorrow.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: But I think against the Saints they wanted to start
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: fast on defense and then they got.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Burned butts getting into this game offensive twenty third down there.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, It's just the defense thing is kind of breaking
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: my brain a little bit because, like all the metrics
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: suggests they should be a bad defense, but they're not
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: giving up a ton of points. And like I said,
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: it reminds me a lot of those Patricia Belichick defenses
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: that just were good situationally and good when it counted
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: and you know, made plays, but like they have some
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: issues and.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: It's not like forcing a ton of turnovers and that's
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: keeping points off the board. You know, I mean turn
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: over here or there. You know the Buffalo game, that
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: was a big part of the game, but it wasn't
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: a big part of this game.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: You know, who else I like to have in this
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: one was Woodson, Like I just you know, I just
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: seeing the contrast of him and Kyle Dugger and Craig.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Woodson seems like a natural free safety who sees the
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: game from that position. He knows how to come down
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: and navigate traffic and get to guys, and you know,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: nothing against Kyle Dugger. I think he's a little bit
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: more suited to play in the old style and play
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: in the box. But you know, just you could see
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: some of the recognition stuff with Craig Woodson where it
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: clicks and he's got a path to the ball and
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: he goes and he's a sound tackler, and you know,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: Dougger sometimes still seems like he's kind of lost in
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: space a little bit, you know, get running into guys
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: that kind of thing. But I think it's hard to
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: tell for me, like watching the game on TV, to
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: really evaluate a free safety, especially because most of the
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: time Woodson's out of the frame when we're watching him.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: But there's one guy when I go back and watch,
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: it's just he's he's smooth, you know, the kind of
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: like Darron Harmon a little bit, you know, just looks
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: comfortable on the back end, reads the play well, comes down,
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: makes happen.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: I thought last week he was sort of flashing a
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: little bit more in the game against Buffalo. I really
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: like his play speed. I think he plays fast and
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: I think he plays hard. Now sometimes they got to
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: get him pointed in the right direction, and like any rookie,
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: you know that that's really the main thing. But in
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: this game, I think he had three or four run stuffs,
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: He had a pressure on a blitz, stayed over the
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: top of a couple vertical routes as deep help. But
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: I thought this was his best game, and he looks
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: like he's starting to understand his role in the big
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: picture and now all that kind of stuff a lot more.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: So I'm encouraged by him. But they're still getting you know,
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: they still have issues in between the numbers in the
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: middle of the field. Like you know, defending passes through
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: the middle of the field is still the weakest part
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: of the defense. Like I know that Davis Gonzo gave
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: up a few in this game, but they're really not
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: getting torch too bad most weeks, you know, like they're
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: one catch or two catches a game for both those guys.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: It's those inbreaking routes through the middle of the field
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: that I are killing them.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I just you know, one more point I want to
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: make about it.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Watching this defense now, so much talk about the safeties
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: and how they're going to use them, and you know,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: it is definitely way different, but they still use these
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: guys blitzing, dropping coming up on the line covering.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, they do everything.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: It's it just seems like it's going to be a
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: really key position for them to figure out going forward,
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: but also just such a critical one that these guys
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: could really make a difference in this team, especially if
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: you know Woodson elevates it to another level here, you know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: as he continues to progress.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Eight five to five Pats five hundred is the hotline
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: podcasts at Patriots dot com. It's the way to email us.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I see a lot of emails coming in. The phones
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: are are jacked up, So let's let's get to see
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: what you have to say about this edition of the Patriots.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Todd's in North Carolina. What's up Todd?
• 42:00
  Speaker 10: Hey guys, what in a wonderful time to have a show.
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: So that's going to lead into my three points, and
• 42:05
  Speaker 10: I will take your answers off the air. Number One,
• 42:08
  Speaker 10: I think everyone's going to be giving us their best shot.
• 42:10
  Speaker 10: They do not want to see the Patriots back being relevant.
• 42:15
  Speaker 10: Number I think the sneaky need is not running back.
• 42:18
  Speaker 10: But I think we need to figure out our linebackers.
• 42:20
  Speaker 10: I don't know if we have to get somebody in
• 42:22
  Speaker 10: or change what we were doing, but that feels like
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: the big And finally, what did the Pats have to
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: do till we till we get back to twelve hours
• 42:29
  Speaker 10: of programming each week instead of the eightish we got
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: right now? And that's guys, what does.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: He mean by that twelve hours of program instead of eight?
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know anyway.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: Linebackers, Yeah, I think Chrispolane has sort of settled down
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: and his run his run defense is really really good
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: and he's doing what he's supposed to do. There they
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: don't cover particularly well, and that's still a problem for
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: the group as a whole. So yeah, I mean next year,
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: a guy next to Splaine who can really cover and
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: and you know play in the past game and that
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: sort of thing I think is at the top of
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: the list to maybe upgrade that Ellis Jack Gibbons spot.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: They played a lot more bass the last couple of
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: weeks too, so they've had, you know, three true linebackers.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: With Tavai coming back, they've done a little bit more
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: of that. Uh So I could see them wanting to
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: We've been talking about it for what five years that
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: they need a linebacker that can cover.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: So they still need that.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: That's still need.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Christians in LA. What's up, Christian?
• 43:34
  Speaker 11: You know what souff we are in? Can you guys
• 43:37
  Speaker 11: stay with me? First place in the division?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's week six, but just to.
• 43:45
  Speaker 11: See the Patriots first place of division means something to
• 43:49
  Speaker 11: us fans that have been flogging around for the last
• 43:51
  Speaker 11: five years waiting for something good to happen. I'm gonna
• 43:54
  Speaker 11: take it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I agree, this is the best.
• 43:57
  Speaker 11: This is the best that we've been in five years.
• 43:59
  Speaker 11: I love that we're play quick point on on the
• 44:03
  Speaker 11: guys and how they're how they're playing. I think they've
• 44:05
  Speaker 11: bought in the Vaible system, and I absolutely think that
• 44:08
  Speaker 11: we can come out of this October seven and two.
• 44:11
  Speaker 11: I'll take it off the air. Good to be a
• 44:13
  Speaker 11: pass fan.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Guys, huh okay. I do this little trick.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I always look at how many they have left into
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: They have eleven games left. They're four and two, So
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: if they go like five hundred with the eleven, let's
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: say six and five, that's ten wins.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, that's so like. But how many
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: games in October do they have left?
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: I think three? Right is the Atlanta game technically in October.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: So they could come out with Tennessee seven and two,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Cleveland five, or anything in between. Yeah.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the schedule, a lot
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: of these games that early on we owe Giants.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: That's a win.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Giants are playing better, Cleveland could be a tough out,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Atlanta's playing better.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: The schedule is good.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like their quarterback is just developing. So I think
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: people think the Patriots.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Will win that game.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: But they have a lot of talent, but they have
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: absolutely you know lasts, So a.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Lot of these games that you thought were pushover as folks,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: they're not. They're not. So let's not get ahead of ourselves.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: I do think this one is.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: I think it's going to be cland I do not
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: think is going to be a push I disagree.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't see how Cleveland's offense is going
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: to score.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: That's probably why the Pictures win. They go, but they
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: get into rock fights with teams.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: I think, like you look at the games they just
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: they just played at Pittsburgh and it was kind of
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: one of those kinds of games and I think Rogers
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: had his best game of the year, and and you
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: know they kind of put it away late.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: With a touchdown against the Jets.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I just let's not get ahead over our skis
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: here what I mean, now, these these teams can be
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: tougher than you think of. The Jets look pretty bad though,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: but okay, so no, that's a good point. Jets in
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Miami look really bad right now. But in any season
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: it was tough to run the table in your own division.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: I would rarely even that. Like, Miami looks really bad.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Miami had to leave with thirty seconds left in the
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: last two games. That's right, right, So yeah, you might
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: win the.
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: Game, but I don't think you're gonna win it forty
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: eight to nothing the way you think they're gonna win it.
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: You know when I say you, I mean the Royal.
• 46:14
  Speaker 12: I know what you you?
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you people.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think anybody's picking them to win thirty
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: eight to nothing.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: But like.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: The Titans and the Browns are two games that are
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: easily should be winning.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: The Titans, I don't see any possible way they lose.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I agree with you on that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: The Browns, I would give them like a ninety plus
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: percent chance to win. I do respect the Browns defense
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: and the ability of a guy like Miles Garrett to
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: cause problems in a game and keep it close, and
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: if it's close, you never know. But I would think
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: the Patriot should win those two games. They'll be favored,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: no doubt they're going to be favored.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thous about. I mean, they're probably going to be
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: favored against the.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: Feltons too, once they get through the Browns and the Titans.
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: Like the schedule does have hard you know, like I
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: could easily see them going two and two in the
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: next four Yeah, easily.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: But if even if they are two and two, and
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: then that's great.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: If you go six and five or five and six,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: that's nine or ten wins you finish the season, and.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: If you win ten, you're gonna be in the playoffs
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: most likely. Yeah. Uh, let's go to Seattle. Will go
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: to Anthony. What's up Anthony?
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: Hey, it was up my people. Hey, Hey, how's my
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: connection today?
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Sweet? Good?
• 47:27
  Speaker 13: Okay, good good.
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry I have my headphones on last time and
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: I was in the gym and anyway, hey, uh, I
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: love that Atlanta followed our blueprint by just giving the
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: bill as a healthy dose of a guy.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Named Drake, right, Drake London had a good game there.
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, I'll be quick today. Man, it's dude, it's
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: fun being a Patriots fan.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Again, I'm sorry, was it fun? Finally a camera.
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: I gotta tell you, everything changes, like with the quarterback
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: and the quarterback play and the level.
• 47:56
  Speaker 13: He's playing at.
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to just kind of hold surf because we're
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: only six games into this season. But man, it's like
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: the feeling I have when watching that game, and then
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: like I'm listening to the post game show and some
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: of the things you guys brought up, like.
• 48:07
  Speaker 13: You know, uh, the uh what is it?
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: The back the passing he talked, he pitched back to uh,
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: Treyvon Henderson, and you know, Paul's like, I mean, I'm
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: a little worried about that, and I'm just thinking it's fine,
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: you know. And then like and like the when we
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: didn't score, when we got down to the one yard
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: line and didn't score, Like in my like, as I
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: was watching the game, my feeling was like, oh man,
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: but then it was like, it's fine, we'll get Like
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: I didn't think those are the last points of the game.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: It's just everything's like fine and good now. And it's
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: but Paul, I do understand what you what you mean, Yeah,
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: we don't want those turn into into like bad plays.
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: But I do feel like our margin for error or
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: our path is broken it down. It has increased substantially
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: with the emergence of our quarterback and our ability to score.
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: So I don't know, man' it's it's a good time
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: right now, go.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Ahead, thanks Anthony, it is it's good times right now. Yeah,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: good times.
• 48:56
  Speaker 10: I know.
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: I think what you already asked him, if that was
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: a no, no, yes.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Bro Henderson.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: I don't know if he got lucky or if he
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: saw it, but like there's no flat like they they
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: bust the coverage and they don't have a flat defender
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: on that side.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I think he got lucky.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: I just don't think those are things that the coaches
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: would want to see on a consistent basis. And that's
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: three times they've seen him in the last four weeks.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: Sure, I just if he is already seeing the field
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: so well that he's recognizing that there's nobody out there
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: with Henderson like, then that's like next level.
• 49:25
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: If that was the case, then I would agree with
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: you that he's standing there in the post skeptical, and
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: you know, he's looking down the field and you can
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: see the coverage is tilted a certain way, and like
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: there's just nobody out there with Henderson, so like he
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: even though he flips it, and I know when people
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: see that, I get why you're like, what is he doing.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Well to me? But there's no threat of it being
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: flipped it to him?
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: I would say, fine, he flipped it up in the
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: air and it just kind of floated, like even if
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: there's someone like I just don't know how you know
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: that there's no one that Like like the one the
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: previous week against two Diggs, there was a guy there.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: If he've thrown the the same way and it floated,
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: that guy may have turned around and been able to
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: make a play on it.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Like that's what I would worry about.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: And again, very similar to what he did against Pittsburgh,
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: gonna cost him the game, Like they're going in to
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: win the game and he fumbles trying to do one.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Of those plays.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: So that's that's all, Like, but this is the different
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: The best part about this whole thing is you can
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: treat this team like that again, like you're starting to
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: talk about these little individual plays like you know, like
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: that was really good. He ended up making a nine
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: yard playout of nothing and you end up winning a game,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: that's great, but you know you might be careful with that.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Whereas we used to be like, well, you know with
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: four and thirteen. At least that was a fun play.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: You know, they made a play Like, no, you're starting
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: to talk about playoffs and you know, matchups and different
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: things down the road.
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: You just wonder if he needs it right, Like, yeah,
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: he's so good that like they'll just make it up
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: on the next play that they didn't hit right to
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: check that out.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Right, you know, drives don't stall because of one false start,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: which was happening over the last two years consistently.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's fair.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: I think the play in Pittsburgh, to me, is a
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: little bit different because he held the ball for so long.
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: Like these two plays, they wasn't the ball was not
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: you know that it was like one of those like
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: extended like four and a half second dropbacks. These ones
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: are happening faster. But I think that that's part of
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: his game, is he's kind of this trick shot guy
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: and like we're just gonna if it works.
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: I was watching the game, you know, the Bills game
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: last night with with just and some of the things
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: that Josh Allen does that usually works are just suddenly
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: are just not working as much the last couple of weeks,
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: like he had similar play where he rolled to his
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: left and he tried to flip it out. I think
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: it was to James Cook and it didn't get there.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: It's tough when the windows, you know, closing, it's tough
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: to get those plays.
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: I've seen him do stuff like that a thousand times,
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: and now all of a sudden, like things aren't going
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: their way, and he's like.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: That's what.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: But these are things that Mahomes and Allen were criticized
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: for initially until they work more often than not. And
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: when May establishes that they work more often than not,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: people won't talk about it as much. And when he
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: makes a mistake in one of those spots, you'll say,
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: you got to take that mistake because he just made
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: a hundred great plays doing that, and that's the one
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: that was a mistake. Do you know what I'm saying
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Right now, we're just sort of learning. It's not something
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: I agree with everan one thousand percent. It's not something
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: I would criticize.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: These are just things that you file away, you know,
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: against Washington in the preseason when everybody yelled at us
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: from making such a big deal out of a preseason game.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: It was a fumble, holding the ball too long, trying
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: to make a play when it wasn't there. Against Pittsburgh,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: same thing, holding the ball too long, trying to make
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: a play. Now you're starting to see when he holds
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: the ball or tries to improv and.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: He is making plays. So you see the positive side
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: As long as that ledger ends up being more positives,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: like a lot more positives. The way Mahomes and Allen
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: have done their whole career. Brett frev did that trap
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: all the time.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: He's gotten so much better at the ball, security in
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: the pocket. He's got two hands on the ball a
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: lot now and he's keeping it tucked in so like
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: before the ball he'd be holding it out and like
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: the defensers, the defenders are just coming for the ball.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: His clock is better and we're.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: Keeping it tighter and he's not giving them those opportunities.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Dylan's in Nashville.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: What's up, Dylan, Hey, how's it going good?
• 53:24
  Speaker 14: So the first time, medium time, the thing I want
• 53:27
  Speaker 14: to ask you is I love we're talking about small
• 53:30
  Speaker 14: ball What are the little things that you guys think
• 53:35
  Speaker 14: we could improve on, because you know, back when you're
• 53:38
  Speaker 14: a super Bowl team, we focused on the little things.
• 53:42
  Speaker 14: What are those, like top two or three things that
• 53:45
  Speaker 14: you guys want to think about. Thank you very much
• 53:47
  Speaker 14: for having me on.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, I still little thing.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: I think there's big things that they still have to
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know about little things.
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: They need to run the ball better, yeah, they needs
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: a big thing. You need to run the ball better, defense,
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: defend the pass better. They're not really defending the past
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: very well on defense, and I think that one of
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: the things defensively that just sticks out to me in
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: terms of that is like I kind of feel like
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: they don't have an identity of how they want to
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: cover teams right now, and they're not really like they're
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: not having Gonzo travel and they're not like, really, they
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: told us that they wanted to play cat coverage, right,
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: they wanted Gonzo and they wanted Carlon Davis and they
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: were gonna play man to man and like outside the
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: Bills game, that really hasn't come to fruition now. Gonzo
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: hasn't been one hundred percent healthy, right, And maybe that's
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: why but like in order, that's the only way I
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: can really see the past defense improving substantially is if
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know if he's going to play
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: on Sunday, But they say to Gonzo like you got Ridley,
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: you know, like you got Drake London, you have and
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: he's everywhere traveling with those receivers at one hundred percent
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: because right now they're kind of just playing sides and
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: just taking whoever.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Knows his team yet or is he still learning you
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: know who's and I'm talking the defense, like who are
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: my guys in certain situations?
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say I would put him slightly behind
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: what a normal coach who's been around for a couple
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: of years might know of his team. I think there's
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: still a little bit of a learning curve with some
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: of the new faces and maybe some of the guys
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: that he inherited.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: But for the most part, I mean, I think you
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: should have a pretty good idea.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think this identity is starting starting to
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: come out to us at least, so I would imagine
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: it has for him too.
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: I just look at, you know, week to week, Like
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: last week they played a lot of man in Buffalo,
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: and it mostly worked and it was, you know, a
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: good defensive game this week. They then all of a sudden,
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: they're playing a ton of zone and it's like, I
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: get wanting to be game plan and I get that
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: you want to change it up. I just I wonder
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: if they're not personnel wise, they might not be fully
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: there yet. They just like week to week, you know
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: Belichick's style, we're going to be We're going to be different.
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: So in this game, they came out with a lot
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: of zone blitzing, and to Rattler's credit, he beat them.
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: He beat him with it, and so I just wonder
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: if they maybe could kind of simplify on defense where
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: they just say this is what we do.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, Eldrid's in North Carolina.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Hey Aldred, Hey fellas.
• 56:11
  Speaker 13: How y'all doing? Who hey? Questions? I know, we keep
• 56:16
  Speaker 13: talking about the running game, and I keep standing the
• 56:18
  Speaker 13: coverage with the linebackers and the safeties. But I looked
• 56:22
  Speaker 13: at the game again yesterday. I still say eighty percent
• 56:26
  Speaker 13: of that is the line because I still see a
• 56:29
  Speaker 13: lot of black Jerry's coming through and they run into
• 56:31
  Speaker 13: the wall. But then again New Orleans kept doing that
• 56:35
  Speaker 13: damn excuse me, run blitz and they're telling you to
• 56:38
  Speaker 13: get their linebacker or corner shooting the gap. So I
• 56:42
  Speaker 13: don't know maybe that's the issue or not, and I
• 56:45
  Speaker 13: take it off the air. Thank you, you have a
• 56:47
  Speaker 13: good one.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, thanks Eldrid.
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: They've seen a lot of like post snap movement from
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: defenses in the run game, like they're gap penetrating, their stunting,
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: they're run blitzing like things like that really early on
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: the season, like Vegas kind of brought it out week
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: one and it's sort of been the book on what
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: they do and it has worked. But you know, the
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: downside of that for the defense is that may Is
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: is killing them through the air. So it's like if
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: they're going to keep doing this and they're going to
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: keep being aggressive upfront against the run, and then they're
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: just gonna throw it over the top.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: So it's now much you do if you're Tennessee, like
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: this week, you don't really have much to work with.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: You know, you got Jeffrey Simmons. Do you just say
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: we're not gonna let Drake maybe this this week? This
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: is the week that reminder Stevenson a Travian Henderson suddenly
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: find their stride and get good, then we'll lose that way.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: But let's play deep.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: Let's not let you know, and also force may to
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: read through the coverage, take the undernout underneath stuff, and
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: that that might be their best option to try to
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: figure it out.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Thanks James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan of the world.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Rights and when Fred is wearing a cricket sweater, I
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: know we're fully back.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: It's FG. It's tennis. He's got two sets with boardguard later.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: This in it right now? I like it.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: I like it right closed the stir on one of
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: our closes. Staying overalls, you look like you had been
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: clamming or oystering or sorry.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I missed it. I was still in my car. Yeah,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I like overalls.
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: You don't have to wear a belt, I just don't.
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: You don't strike me as an overalls guy said like
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  Speaker 7: How are you good? Good? Mike Good?
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  Speaker 15: Still having trouble running the football?
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  Speaker 5: I was wondering if, in terms of Remandre, maybe he's
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: focusing a little too much on protecting the football.
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  Speaker 7: Probably everybody is. I wouldn't say that it's just Remandre.
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  Speaker 17: I think that that's something that probably both backs that
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  Speaker 17: that played yesterday and they carried the ball yesterday probably
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  Speaker 17: are focused on.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, I think there's a balance there. We've
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  Speaker 7: talked about that.
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  Speaker 17: I know, when we don't turn it over, we've won
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 17: those three games, So there's there's certainly a balance there.
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  Speaker 7: And we have to.
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  Speaker 17: To give him a good play and we have to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 17: block and execute that to block support, and then we
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  Speaker 17: we have to we have to run and make people
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 17: miss and break tackles. So well, we'll work hard at that,
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  Speaker 17: but in the same sense, I'm proud of the improvements
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  Speaker 17: that we've made protecting our our quarterback and protecting Drake,
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  Speaker 17: and we'll just have to continue to strike a good
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  Speaker 17: balance there with running the football.
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  Speaker 18: Mike says a video view in the locker room after
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  Speaker 18: the game. Why is it so important for you to
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  Speaker 18: harp one too?
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  Speaker 7: Your players to join? They put a lot into it.
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  Speaker 7: You know, we try to coach them throughout the week.
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  Speaker 7: We we coach them. You know, we believe in some things,
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  Speaker 7: and we want to coach.
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  Speaker 17: And practice our identity through the week and in meetings
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 17: and lock in and get the details and things that
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 17: we feel like are going to help us win a
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 17: football game. And then you know, they're the ones that
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 17: go out and perform and execute, and I'm them to
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  Speaker 17: embrace that.
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  Speaker 7: You know.
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  Speaker 17: We just it's a tough league to win in, and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 17: tough league too to win consistently and on the road,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 17: and the numbers and for the history will tell you that.
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  Speaker 7: You know, this league is designed to to be.
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  Speaker 17: It used to be an eight and eight league and
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  Speaker 17: now it's a nine or eight or eight nine league,
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  Speaker 17: and that's that's how the systems set up, and so
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  Speaker 17: we have to do things through the course of the
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  Speaker 17: game and the season that that that skewed that and
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  Speaker 17: to move those numbers in our favor. And I think
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  Speaker 17: that there's a good balance that can be had from
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  Speaker 17: these guys still knowing that they can they can play
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  Speaker 17: better and they can do some things. But you know,
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  Speaker 17: we hammered two footballs out yesterday defensively, and not that
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 17: we weren't hammering before, but a couple of them rolled
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  Speaker 17: out of bounds. A couple of them didn't come out yesterday.
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  Speaker 17: They came out. You know, we were able to recover
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  Speaker 17: the one, actually both of them. But you know, feel
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  Speaker 17: bad for Charles. I know he wanted to fumble cause
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 17: fumble there and didn't end up challenging it just because
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 17: of the the risk reward I felt that was involved.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 17: So you know, there's good stuff and then you know,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 17: just want them to be able to embrace that and
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 17: then enjoy that and then understand that there's another challenge
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 17: on the road here this week.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: Again.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 17: Leave you up and scored its first touchdown during a
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 17: two minute situation last last night.
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  Speaker 7: I'm wondering, how have.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: You seen the group grow in those situations and would
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: allowed them to.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: Finally reached out of mind.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 17: Uh you know, I mean we've had you know, we
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 17: had the one at the end of the Pittsburgh game.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 17: They might have gone on to score against Vegas, but
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 17: you know, opted for the field goal, you know, to
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 17: try to flip it. So situationally, maybe that cause for
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 17: you know, us not scoring touchdowns. You know, we didn't
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 17: convert the end of the game against but to be
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 17: able to possess it there all the way through and
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 17: really give our guys the last touch, you know, that's
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 17: that's been something that's important, you know, when you got
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 17: a good offense on the other side, which there is
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 17: every week, you know, making sure that they don't get
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 17: the ball back, and you know, just being able to
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 17: understand when they may pressure, you know, when when we
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 17: need to get out of bounds, controlling the clock, really
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 17: getting into that drive, that two minute drive and you
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 17: sacks kill.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: Two minutes and uh you know, so we were able
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  Speaker 7: to get the first first.
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  Speaker 17: Down and I felt like that gave us a flow
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 17: and a rhythm to to that you know, particular drive
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 17: there at the end of the half, Like what what.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 19: Advantages are you getting when you have this plane to
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 19: buy giving this tree what we feel, you know, I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 19: think it just gives us a little bit more flexibility
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 19: to to be in different fronts and to do, uh,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 19: you know, some different things and be able to use
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 19: everybody and take some snaps off of some other guys.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Coach, which one of the passing appearance calls on Diggs.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: Drove me more crazy. Oh no, those don't. I don't
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: don't drive me crazy.
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  Speaker 17: You know, we just have to be able to deal
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  Speaker 17: with whatever situation is presented to us, whether we agree
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 17: with it or disagree with it.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: I've learned that it's not going to change.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 17: So frustrated and disappointed for the players there that had
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 17: some really explosive gains taken away by by judgment, you know,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 17: probably poor judgment, but that's it's all part of it.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 17: And so I like the resolve for us to know
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 17: ability for us to play through some of those, however
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 17: difficult that it may be.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: My I guess they took a long time before you
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: had to punt.
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  Speaker 4: When you did, Rice, you know, your own head and
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: shooting back there kicks off a good Funds kind of
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: flips the field.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 7: They have flipped the field there.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: His performance and his leadership in that way too Muchie specially, Yeah.
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  Speaker 17: I think you know, just you look at the operation
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 17: on the field goal and being able to calm everything
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 17: down and be able to handle the the snap and
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 17: just the you know, good placement ball placement for Andy,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 17: you know, I do.
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  Speaker 7: You know, Bryce's really kind.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 17: Of helps out in all regards and special teams and
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 17: he's done a nice job just you know, whether that's
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 17: helping on kickoff or turn or kickoff or you know,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 17: just helping it practice right, some of the things that
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 17: you guys may or may not see, but it was
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 17: good for him. He's you know, done a nice job
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 17: for us and hopefully we don't have to use him
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 17: as much. But you know, certainly came off with a
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 17: big kick there to be able to flip the field
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 17: and you know the one we probably don't want down
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 17: the middle of the field and he knows that so
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 17: but to be able to flip the field and those
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 17: situations are huge and Bryce has done a nice job
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 17: on a nine yards.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Flipping from Brake to Trevion?
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  Speaker 10: Is that a no, no?
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: Yes?
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 8: Play?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 19: Is that a balance being a playmaker and being safe?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: Like, how do you how is a coach?
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 7: To your view, the decision there and pitch the ball.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: Obviously a successful that.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 17: We get, you know, we put you know, we have
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 17: a lot of trust and faith and certainly Drake and
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 17: and anybody else that would have the football, we have
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 17: to be able to give them the liberty to go
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 17: play the game and understand and not put it in
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 17: in danger, but also try to try to make some
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 17: positive plays and some of those things that go off script.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 17: You see, you know, Drake able to run down to
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 17: the one yard line or scrambling out there to the
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 17: left and and throwing the ball and using the rules
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 17: to to our advantage and you know, taking it in
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 17: completion as opposed to uh, you know, a hit or
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 17: a sack.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 18: With the running game kind of get back to Karen's question,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 18: do you think you guys could benefit from from more
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 18: variety in the right I'm just thinking of those last
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 18: few handoffs towards the end of the game. You just
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 18: seem sort of direct runs straight downhill.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 17: Yeah, man, I think that when you talk about five minutes,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 17: I mean you want to be protective of pressures and
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 17: things like that.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of variety in our run game.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 17: Throughout the season, and to look at one specific play
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 17: and one you know, specific situation probably isn't isn't fair,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 17: but you know, you're free to do whatever you want.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 17: I just you know, you want to make sure that
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 17: in those situations that you're trying to get the ball downhill,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 17: you're not trying to run sideways and create a holding
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 17: penalty you know that would stop the clock, lose yardage,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 17: all those things in five minute now we're trying to
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 17: be good with but also gain a first down to
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 17: to win the game.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: So we'll keep working.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 17: We've had some some you know, good runs and we've
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 17: had some had some some pitiful ones too, and so
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 17: we just have to make sure that there is a consistency,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 17: you know that we're coaching the details, that we're coaching
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 17: the demeanor and understand that it's gonna going to be
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 17: some some dirty runs in there and that we're going
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 17: to have to make a guy miss or break a tackle,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 17: things that we've done throughout the season and be able
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 17: to do all those while taking care of the football
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 17: and trying to move the line of scrimmage. So you know,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 17: probably wished we probably had some more production in a
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 17: run game there at the end, we got the one
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 17: first down and then we're able to throw for the
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 17: second one.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Coach, it's tight this week.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 7: What are your thoughts on going back there?
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 17: And I mean just this is going to be probably
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 17: a lot to be said about this, and I think
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 17: would file under the category of, you know, is it
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  Speaker 17: interesting or important? And I would probably say this would
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 17: be very interesting, but in the end not very important
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 17: to our preparation or what we.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 7: Need to continue to try to do to them prove
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 7: as a team.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 17: But having spent you know, six years there or seven
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 17: years there, I mean, it's uh, you know, I think
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 17: it'll be It'll be nice to see some some people
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 17: that I haven't seen it in a few years that
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 17: helped us win, players and staff. But uh, you know,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 17: we've got a huge job here to do, uh as
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 17: we prepare for him.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: And now great moments in history.
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  Speaker 2: I know he's a friend of the show, but the
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: pre and post game shows have become largely about soothing
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: or feeding Hardy's ego, and he offers little actual information
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: about the team or the game.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: It's so frustrated, Wow.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 9: We should bring this that's entirely inaccurate Hardy to I
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 9: don't know if I think if anything in this room,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 9: I think if anything, he's got inferior complex.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, I would agree.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, you know he he's a very busy guy.
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  Speaker 2: He's got ninety eight point five. Then he does serious
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: he's got the music show, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So he's got golf. Yeah, the golf show that he
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: does show.
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  Speaker 2: But he gets free stuff for that, So I'm a
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: little jealous he.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Gets those clubs he took care of. Yes, I did
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: custom P HG clubs. He gave you clubs. No, he
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: got those he got free and I got his leftover.
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  Speaker 1: Oh did you? He said he gave me a set
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  Speaker 1: of irons?
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  Speaker 2: Nice?
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  Speaker 1: What kind?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't look at him yet.
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  Speaker 2: You don't even look at him.
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  Speaker 5: No, we just the other night when we were leave,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: when he put him in my trunk, So you're not
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: even curious to what they are.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: No, I'll look at him when I get a chance.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: I would want to know what kind of clubs I
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: got some new clubs got, don't you excited?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: Plase I've been working on the set.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Of irons just rolling around in the back of his car.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Right they're in a bag. I'd want to know, Like
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: the Calloways and they expect that from him, not you.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: I expect you know, like I'd be excited to get
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: a new set of eye Mike, how's your putting?
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: That's another great moment underrated line.
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  Speaker 2: All right back here and Patriots Unfiltered eight five five
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  Speaker 2: goes to Matt Corrals. By the way, Aspen writes in
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  Speaker 2: from reading or is he reading from Aspen? I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: but he's a humble request to update the commentary highlights
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  Speaker 2: for the opening of the postgame show. It's time to
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: celebrate Drake May's excellence and embrace that he's the future
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: of the franchise. There should be plenty of calls that
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: would be great to use from the past two games
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: for his purpose. And here's hoping he just keeps adding
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: more incredible plays. Yeah, we need to update all that stuff, right, I.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 16: Mean, if a fifty yard pass is better than a
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 16: Super Bowl call, sure, well, no.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: I get his point, Matt, you don't have to be
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: so defensive. Let's get some of the you know, the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: the more recent.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Stuff in the new ones made this week. I promise.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got a lot, you know, a lot of
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: good stuff, now.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Do we?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: Well?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: What is wrong with you people? To celebrate?
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: Somebody's got a red ass over here? We got a
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: bunch of Sean mcdermot's going on, all.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Right, I get it. Long Way to Go, six, Long
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Way to Go.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Listen Travis and Watertown, Connecticut. While the second half wasn't pretty,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: I'm glad we take the win. I don't get a
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: chance to listen live, but I do tend to wait
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: until Mondays to listen to the picks segment. I love it,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: by the way, and it's very entertaining to listen to
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: your picks and reasoning when I already know the outcomes
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: of the game. The two best parts of hearing Mike
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: pick wrong, knowing he's in last place in the picks
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: and sneaky negative and the others listening to Fred's confident
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: folks and knowing that whatever comes out will be utter nonsense.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: This week especially was fun, with the Jets losing by
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: two and Fred being the only one to take the points, claiming, folks,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: this is why I'm leading in the picks, and then
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: again calling the Panthers Cowboys upset even if.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: It was a hate pick. I did better than the
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: up this week, but it's still a struggle for me
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: in the points. It really is.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: This is a guy who really listens well and understands
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: because he's right. Like I would love to sit here
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: and tell you, Wow, you nailed, but I'm not going
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: to do it because I know why you took it.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I love seeing.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: I love but my energy affects the games. I put
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: it out there in the universe and its.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: A lot of good parody in the league. This year,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: it's a horrible year. I agree, Why is it horrible?
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, it's not horrible, but there's just
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: there's no great team.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of really bad teams, but there's no
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: great Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, you're right. It's not
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: necessarily bad. But I don't like pass I think it.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: I think the league's going through a little bit of
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: a transition, and I think this is the greatness in
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: the league. Seeing like a snake's shedded skin here with
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: the league, you know, I hope so, and you have
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: to shed the skin to get bigger.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: I just can't shake the feeling that a Buffalo or
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: Kansas City or Detroit or Philadelphia are suddenly gonna start
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: to kick in and get interested in December and play
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: their best ball right down and we're going to be
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: right back in another you know, Kansas City, Philadelphia and.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: Those cities offense is playing really well.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: It's three weeks in a row, so since where they
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: got back, the offense looks totally different. And now they're
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: going to get Rice back for the next game. But
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: I agree with Mike. Some of those the better teams,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: the ones that have been good, you know for a while,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: they almost it's not like they don't want to, but
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: it's almost.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: They wake me up. The intention.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: The intention is to build and play your best at
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: the end, whereas some other teams, and I'm not suggesting
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: the Patriots are one of these, because I think the
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: Patriots are building. But some other teams, you know, shoot
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: out of the gate and they played there. You know,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: like Miami under McDaniel has played really well offensively at
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: the beginning of seasons and they Pete are out. You know,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: they're not good this year at all, But that that
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: happens around the league this year, I just don't see.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, the ones that Mike.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: Said are probably the candidates Detroit and Philadelphia or as
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: talented as anyone, and maybe Green Bays in that mix,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: but they lack of consistency would worry me, you know,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: in Kansas City and Buffalo will be there at the end.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: In three years, you know, we could be talking about
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: Drake May being one of the best quarterbacks in the league,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: and I think Jackson.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Darry will be and Jackson intends if we're allowed.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Right, and Jackson Dark, you know, being the toast of
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: New York, and Michael Pennix, you know, being a good quarterback.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: And if that's all true, you've got new teams take.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: It bigger.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: In five years. How are we going to look back
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 5: at that draft class? Yeah, a lot of good quarterbacks.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: The Drake May draft closse. Yeah no, but yeah, I mean.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: I know, I know he cried and everybody doesn't like him.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: But Caleb Williams continues to look better every week.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not saying he's there yet. He's not
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: where Drake May.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 7: Is right now.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: Jadon Daniels is already, Jayden Daniels is pretty good, Drake
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: May is pretty good.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. We haven't seen it at all. Pennix still learning.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: I thought he made some really good plays last night,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: some really bad plays last night. Bow Nicks looks like
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: the ultimate game manager to me. But with that defense,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: that's good enough. He's going to be in the playoffs
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: more than likely. Wasn't the guy that the Saints played
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: in that class, Spencer. I mean, all of a sudden,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: he looked alright to me. Maybe he's their guy.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's that's a pretty good draft class.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: The quarterbacks, Yeah, I mean bow Knick's probably the like
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: least physically gifted, but like he kind of was playing
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: like a little bit like an Alex right now.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: And I know you have some of this, you know,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: early success for these quarterbacks to you know, your tight
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: pants coaching on offense and having systems that are quarterback friendly.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: I would, you know, it's too early to victory lap,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: but you know, Ben Johnson looking looking pretty good right
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: now in Chicago as well, and Haskalb playing good football.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: I think that was just in particular, that was a
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: really good class, and we knew it at the time
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: that it was a really good class. You know, I
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: look at where they were all drafted. You know, five
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: of those guys were drafted in the top fifteen of
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: that first round, so I think everybody was pretty well
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: aware that six of them really that it was a
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: good class coming out, and so far it's you know,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 5: you have two different ways it could go.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: Could go like the Mac.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: Jones class where Jones and fields and you know, Trevor
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: Lawrence and that didn't go as well as Zach Wilson.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: But this one looks like it's been the He.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: Going to say the last time that we had one
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: of those classes, they all kind of started. I mean,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence is another one that's decent.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tread and water.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: Franklin and Baltimore writes in just some interesting stats to
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: show how sneaky good Booty has been this year. Out
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: of Booty's eighteen catches, sixteen of them are for first downs,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: and for the math nerds, that's nearly ninety percent. Boody
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: currently ranks in the top ten in terms of yards
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: per reception at sixteen point seven.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: That also leads the team.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: He has six big plays according to ESPN's tracking Big
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: stat which to me brings up an interesting conversation. How
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: are we defining a big play wide receiver? Or a
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: player that gets chunk plays? Is it purely speed yack
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: versatility as an inside outside threat, Because all I know
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: is that whenever the team needs that chunk play, it's
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: Booty that who's done it consistently more than anyone else.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: And this dates back to last year. All Right, I
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: like Booty. I like him.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: Uh oh uh oh, but this is what he does.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: He's sick and tired of twenty plus catches. So no,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: his whole thing is like, this is a no time going.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: This is what he runs down the field and he'll
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: make down the field.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: So yes, that's a terrible thing. Are going to go
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: for first downs? But like, look, god forbid you run
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: down the field to make catches.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: In another world there might be a guy who could
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: run down the field, make a catch, and then make
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: a move and then get to the end zone.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: The boy.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: See, I'm okay with the amount of yards he gets
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: on the catches. Everything that that emailer said is right.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: He has made chunk plays. Can I get more than
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: eighteen of them before I say, like, he's one of
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: the premiere big play receivers in football. Oh, I don't
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: know if that's all that? Like every time he's been
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: targeted this year, He's done the job. He's been outstanding
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: in the role that he's been given. I don't have
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: anything even taking it full circle, like the maturity that
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: he has shown and the growth that he has shown
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: from year one to year three, now I think has
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: been off the charts. I don't have anything negative to
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: say about Kayshawn Booty. But when we're going to start to.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: Say, like what classifies as a big play receiver more
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: than eighteen catches?
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: So then why can we get excited about make Drake
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: May Booty's ascension.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: You think Drake May is like low in the league
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: in terms of like a number of attempts or yards, No, well.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: Kayshaun Booty would be. But Jan Boody's average is what
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: it is because he doesn't have a lot of catch ups.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: But the point is he doesn't have a lot of
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: drops either.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, He's again, I don't have anything. I
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: don't have anything negative to say about Kayshan bud him.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: You can get as excited as you want. I'm excited
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 5: about him. I think he's just shown tremendous.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: You're you're like, wait and see with Kaishan Boy not wait.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: And see, I don't think that he'll ever be that
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: what he is asked to do. He's been doing exceptionally
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: high level. Yes, cat like eighty passes and does that
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: like that's what a big play receiver, you know, Like, okay, that's.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: A complimentary receiver. Yes, yeah, And they you know, he's
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: playing the X spot. I don't know if that's naturally
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: his position, and he's playing outside a lot, and typically
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 5: in a Josh Daniel's offense, that's kind of a forgotten sacrificial, sacrificial.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: It's kind of sacrificial.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: You're just gonna run wind sprints and you're gonna stretch
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: coverage and clear out and do that type of thing.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: But when you have a quarterback like Drake that's so
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: good at throwing outside the numbers, that that role is
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 5: going to be amplified, maybe a little bit more than
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 5: it would be in a different offense with a different quarterback.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: And so Booty is getting those targets.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: And to his credit, you know, he's he had a
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: lot of one on ones in this game against New
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: Orleans and he won them. He won them in big spots.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: I like Booty. I all like Booty. I actually think, Yeah,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: I think I think he's that as a very we
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: all like I didn't catch it. I didn't catch it
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: the first I'm not gonna lie. It works both ways
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: for me, It's fine. Yeah.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: The the development of of Booty has been I think
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: a huge part of the offense this.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: I just like when you talk about this is like
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: Chris Hogan used to be very high up in the
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: yards per catch.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, same thing with your yards per catch.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: When you only catch downfield passes but you don't catch
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: a lot of them, your yards per catch is really high.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: I know, Like it's like if you catch a hundred
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: balls and you're ad sixteen point seven yards per catch.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Now you're talking big play receiver. Yeah, I think.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: I gotta say I think Keisham Bouti is outstanding contested catches,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: and not for a guy who's not that big.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: But he comes down consistently the whole time here with catches.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: You're like, how did he come down with that one?
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean one of them last week.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: I mean the contact is really and he's gotten stronger
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: and better at that as his career has.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: Loved listening to him talk. Now it doesn't even sound
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: like the same.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: Kid that we had two years or two years ago,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: one year, like last year. He's throwing growing up right
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: before our eyes.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: Like him talking about like you know, the adversity he
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: faced early on, and like you know, at one point
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: he felt like he was going to be a first
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: round pick. And I think the self awareness that he's
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: displayed the development of booty has been a huge part
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: of their offense.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you heard me feel on the
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: postgame show, make this point. I'll make it again real quick,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: but you know, just to go from his first play
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: as a pro, his first game.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: Is a pro, but he didn't get his feet down
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: in bounds. Remember that.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: And then it was like, oh, he's on the outs,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: and now you have a guy that you know is
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: going to get his feet down and stay in bounced
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: or make those tough catches.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: So I just I thought that was a wonderful way
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: to illustrate his career. Arc. I mean, it's really impressive.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: You got to give him a ton of credit for
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: what what you know, all the ups and downs that
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: he's fought through two years ago, last year to arrive.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: At this point. It's pretty special.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: If you have a guy like Diggs who can be
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: the volume guy, and then Booty is kind of when
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: the ball finds him and when the coverage dictates that
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: this is where the ball is going to go, he
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: steps up and catches eighteen of his twenty three targets
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: so far this year, He's been exactly what they needed
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: him to be, really solid in.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: Two plays again on the sideline late in games back
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: to back weeks, showing the awareness to get down. Although
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: this this one that that they ended up getting overturned.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: I don't really understand the rule.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: I don't. Someone is going to need to explain the
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: rule to me.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: I can talk to Stretch about it later.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: Like he gets, he comes down, he lands, he has
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: two feet down and he gets knocked out of bounds,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: and they said that he was down inbounds Like I don't.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: Well, he must other something other than his feet must
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: have touched in bounds, right, Nope, you sure not that
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: I saw.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: We have to I have to see the play again.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: Because maybe I miss misremembering, as Roger Clemons once famously said, yeah.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: He also had a play earlier on the Driver he
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: ran an out and he's stayed in bounce on the
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: out too, and made New Orleans burn a time out,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: and so he's situationally, well, yeah, that one, I know,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: it has been like kind of off the charts, like football.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: I you, yeah, the one in Buffalo. One in Buffalo
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: was exceptional.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: I asked him about it after the game and I
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: was like, you meant to do that, right, and he
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: was like, yeah, you know, got to know the clock,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: got to know the situation.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: That was yeah. Huge. Yeah.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a difference between winning a losing play the
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: one in Buffalo, because I'm telling you, if they had
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: to kick the field goal and there's a minute left,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: you're at least going overtime.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: Cody writes in I know this was mentioned in the
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: post game a little bit, but shout out to Pop Douglas.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: After a really shaky start and getting some media flack,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: he maintained his high energy, made multiple high effort plays
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: blocking for his teammates, and finally the ball went back
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: his way on Sunday and he made some huge plays.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: I think this also speaks to the culture change we've
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: been seeing. The attitude from the wide receiver room the
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: last few years was a little shaky, so it's great
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: to see guys like Pop continuing to grind through some
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: struggles and when the ball found him again capitalize awesome stuff.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I give I guess Co signed all around.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: It takes a lot of credit. I give Holland some
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: credit to just for that room. We talked about it
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: last year just they were, you know, an immature group
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: and didn't really have a leader or an anchor. And
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: you see from you know, even the stupid pregame speeches
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: that Diggs has really put his stamp on this room
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: and in this team, and and you're seeing now guys.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: I just hope they can continue to.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: Spread it around a little bit.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: It's not like you either get six catches or no catches, Like,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: can we find a happy medium with some of these
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: guys and you know, keep everybody getting fed every week
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: and keep everybody engaged and not ride that roller coaster
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: quite as much.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: But the one thing that really like all around them
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: when they transition down the field, like whether it's a
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: pass or Drake may scramble. Guys transitioning into blockers has
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: been contagious. It's happened multiple times for like a month
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: now that when you watch Drake Meygan on the other
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 5: line of a scrimmage. On the other side of the
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: line of scrimmage, you see five eligible receivers down the
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 5: field turn into blockers.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: You know, the flip to Henderson. Pop Douglas throws a block.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 5: As soon as Drake May throws the ball, he blocks
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: his guy and helps Henderson get the corner and get
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: the edge of Mandre like sprinting downfield on the one
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: that didn't count and clock it the goal line. Yeah,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: you know, to get Pop Douglas into the end zone.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: Like they're the blocking after the play is kind of complete.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: It's really become infectious and they're they're all doing it now.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: Evan.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: I like your brunt three quarters. Thank you for wearing
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: I'm wearing my brunt boots. No nothing, I love them.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to. They're very comfortable, Mike. How
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: comfortable are they?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: They're cushiony, Yeah, cushiony that you can wear them all day.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: Let's see.
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  Speaker 2: Discount Furniture studio in the preseason?
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: Paul Company, they take it, Mike be able to talk
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: about it? Filled in. Yeah, a little cold in there,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: but it was cold. They got to keep those studios
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: cold because of the lights. We go heavy on the
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  Speaker 1: waters too, I think, Yeah, a lot of to get
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  Speaker 1: my makeup done. That was exciting. Oh stop, pancake on,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a big stop.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: Let's see, Kyle says. What's holding Drake back from winning
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: m v P this year? Does NFL media account for
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: things like strength of schedule or is it solely hustle
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: results and wins.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Nothing would be holding him, I would anything hold him back?
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean in some ways I feel like the
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: lack of running game amplifies his candidacy.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: Big reason why if you extrapolate everything from what you
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: have right now, like through the end of the season,
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: I think it'd be hard to look at a guy
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: like Baker Mayfield and say that that's not like an
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: MVP season. But it's six games, right, So, like, does
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: anybody think Baker Mayfield is going to win the MVP
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: right now?
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't should.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know if there's been a player more valuable
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: to his team than Mayfield has been.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 5: And I think the MVP award would be better with him,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: But Drake may I don't know how many you want
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: to put it is there are the three guys that
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: are any more deserving than Drake may I'd be hard
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: pressed to come up with with them. I have a
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: this is a running theory of mine. So in the NBA,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: they have a Most Improved Player award, not comeback player.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: A comeback player is supposed to be an injury right,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: like you had an ACL and then he came back
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 5: and you played well. So they have a Most Improved
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: Player award in the NBA, and I think that comeback
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: player there's a lot of votes that end up going
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: to a player that's really the most improved player, but
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: it ends up kind of getting like, so I think
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: that the NFL should have also have a most improved
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: Player running for that, right, So like, maybe he's not
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: winning MVP yet, but he might be the most improved
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 5: player in the league from last year to this year.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: And then that's like I'm not making an award just
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: to give it to Drake, Like I've already had this idea, yeah,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: for a while now, because I think what happens, Like
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 5: it kind of came up with the Joe Flacco DeMar
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 5: Hamlin come back Player of the Year, Right, Joe Flacco
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: came back from being bad, Like Joe Flacker didn't come
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: back from a major injury where he didn't play. He
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: came back from not being good of being good again.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: And so I just wonder if maybe there's like a
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 5: different award and then that way, like that.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: Most improved right, yeah, the major award, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: Now we have an offensive line award, So we already
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: got year.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: That's that goes hard so doesn't so does it?
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: Not to get into too much of a rabbit hole,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: But does the most improved.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: Player have to be a young player?
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: No, not necessarily. I don't think there's an age on.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: It, because like, let's just say you were good and
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: then you weren't good for a couple of years and
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you got good again. Show
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: is that improvement?
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 5: Is that like a bounce back or well I think
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 5: it's improvement. And again, like that player would be nominated
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: for comeback Player of the Year, right right, which doesn't
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: make any sense, Like that's not what.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: So that's why I'm wondering if it would always be
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: a young player that would get the.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: Most bounce back player of the year, most just most comeback.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: But this is the same about breakout Player of the Year.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: Sure, right, if you want to call it that, that's
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: kind of the same. Fourth But I feel like the
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: other issue is like did we have we see this
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: with Coach of the Year.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: Know how much I hate the comeback play? You don't
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: like because this is it right here?
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but breakout player that could go like any time, like, oh,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: your fifth year, all of a sudden he broke out.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: Do you think Drake's more improved or more breakout this
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: year though both? I mean it's hard to say which
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: is which.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 5: I just think the comeback player the air war just
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: has too much gray area of what what is coming
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: back from? Yeah, to me, it has to be like injury, right,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: Like you had a season ending.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Injury unless you were like in jail and came back.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 5: To me, you know, if he has like a thousand
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 5: yard plus season like Stefan Diggs, could be nominated for
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: Comeback Player in the year, right right, But like I
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: wouldn't give Comeback Player the Year to Drake, Like that
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: would make.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: No sense, right right right?
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: You could break out sponsored by Cleariso.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, bad thing. I want to clear up the
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: breakout so they eliminate the break out.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey and Canada. If we had held on to the
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: ball against Pittsburgh, we'd be number one seed in the AFC.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: Right now, that's crazy.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: That said, I think the Pittsburgh game might end up
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: being the best thing that happened to this team. They
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: learned that if we play well, we belong on the
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: field with anyone. Should the Patriots go all in right
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: now and trade for a good receiver and a veteran
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: running back both, He says, Drake May's on a rookie contract.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: We could be pushing to be a legit contender right now.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: To me, they kind of have a buyer feel to them,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: or they should have a buyer.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: They got some real talented receiver, they have some you know,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: cap space to work with, and this is the sweet
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: spot where you know it's time to be aggressive.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: They have some talent needs at some spots. So what
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: would you give up for a running back?
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 10: Yeah?
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: Right now? Give up a third round. I was like thinking,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: third is the highest I think i'd get. I mean
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: for a legit guy.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: Because we're going to be picking the last paper.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: I might do seconds, I might do second.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, running back. I don't even want to use a
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: second round pick on a running back out of the draft.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: I know I would say a third, but maybe a
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: little bit of hot take, Like, I don't I wouldn't
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 5: necessarily say receiver is.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: Now if it's a J. Brown, like that's a different story.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: But like just adding another receiver just to add another receiver,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: I don't think they necessarily. I would rather trade for
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: running back, maybe another impact player.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: I know he's older, but just think about what Henry
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: would be on this team. All of a sudden, now
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: you do have to respect the run, and that makes
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: the entire offense.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: They respect the run anymore than they're doing.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: But now, well, now you might be able to run
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: into might be able to do it even though they're
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: putting eight in the box.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: The problem is he makes the whole offense.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: They can't run against the stack box. They're they're not
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: good at it. If you have a back that can
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: break tackles and that sort of thing, then maybe you
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 5: can run against seven and eight man box.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: Maybe in theory.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: Not interested, Okay, I mean Barton Poland.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: I know that's saying Mike would be interested. I would
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: be good for me on the show.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: I think Derek Mike would never come back from the
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: locker I first I first felt from the locker room.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: I'm not a running you know, I'm not a running
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: backs guy. But I just look at their office. I
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 5: think it's the most deficient part of their.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: They need somebody.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, if it was Derek Henry, I certainly wouldn't
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: sit here and say what a terrible move.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: They need they need help.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: We have two guys go to Tennessee and he comes
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: back with us save money on the flight.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: He plays for Baltimore. So oh, that's right, he's not
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: with Tennessee anymore. I forgot.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: We played bald That's too late, though, we can't wait
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: that long.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: After the dead yells the Jets that Jets would never
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: do that in the Division.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: Jets would never do that. I agree with Fred. He's
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: in a contract here already, but he missed this whole
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: first year.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I think I don't see the Jets trading
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: him in the division.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: The Bell getting some time on Good Morning Football Barton Poland.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: I know that's saying that some thing was the best
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: the worst of all time is almost always overreacting, but
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: this really was one of the worst refereeing performances in
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: league history, and I don't think I'm exaggerating. If someone
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: finds me ten worst referee games ever, I'll buy him
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: a beer. The crew gut based accepted the crew gut
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: basically every single call wrong, small ones, big ones, phantom
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: run ones, even the calls they got right, they got wrong.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Fire them all to the sun.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: I ask what it was on the late flag where
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: we didn't even see it thrown on TV. I never
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: even saw it thrown.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: That was the I will say, the single individual worst
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: call I've ever seen to wipe out the second touchdown.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like that. And then later that
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: night I kind of saw the same thing. The offense
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: for the Detroit Lions is on the bench celebrating and
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: you know, helmets off and.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: Flag like.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: I just don't I don't know what going on in
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: that league. I don't understand it. I just sky judge.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: But even the report after I makes no sense.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 5: They need somebody that the ball's not in the air,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: it's not past interference. They need a sky judge. I
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: need somebody that's up top that is reviewing all these
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: calls and is saying either guys, I agree, pick up
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: the flag or whatever. And I know they have the
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: expedited replay now, but that's more for like turnovers and
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: in bounds, out of bounds spotting the ball. It's not
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: for judgment calls like pass interference. The judgment calls of
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: just they need to do a better job of judging
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: the judgment calls, and it happens so fast that they're
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 5: just getting a lot of these wrong.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: Like the digs.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: One he puts his hand on the.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Guy's supposed to look for the extended arm.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: I don't have. I don't have it. He just I
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: don't have a huge. I don't have that one.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: Other than the the ramifications, you have no problem with
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: that one, I didn't say I had no problem with
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: I sai, I didn't have a huge. I've seen that
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: call many times. I've never seen I've never ever seen
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: somewhere between five and ten yards downfield a receiver of
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: a defen it back locked up to wipe out a
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: fifty yard pass. I've never seen that in all the
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: years I've ever watched football. I've seen guys get an
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: advantage with the arm coming out. Yeah, they flip a coin.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: Some days it's it's a penalty something. Booty kind of
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: does it in the end zone in his touchdown.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: No call on that one. Yeah, I've seen that called.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: I've seen it not called.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: I've never seen the first Stefon Diggs offensive pass interference
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: called in all my years.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the single worst call I've ever seen.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: And to Mike's point, the fact that it seemingly came
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: after Drake May was already on the bench and the
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: team is on the field.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Well, he had a process it pull like I I
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: that was I don't really understand. It's got to be
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: some accountability.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't see the pool report. I'm interested, Oh you
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: got to read this one.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: Who couldn't have been any worse than the Pool report
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: that I did read on that Jared Goff play like
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: and I understand, like the technicality, this is what I
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: was talking about last week. The game is over officiated
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: and it's too complicated. They want a trick play with
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: the quarterback from under center of the Lions. And it
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: kind of didn't fool Kansas City. I mean, I'm on
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: Saint Brown created the touchdown with a great block, like
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: there was a guy out there to make the play,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: Like what is the whole thing about? Like you can't
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: come out? He's in motion, Like everybody sees his in motion.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: Everybody knows he's an eligible receiver. Why does he then
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: have to stop for a second?
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: And so just don't want him to give a running
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: start too much of an advantage, I guess, But he's
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: like you I see that all the time now, guys
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: going in motion and they never stop and they don't
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: call it, and then.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they do. They just storing in motion is not
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: a penalty.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: But when you turn toward the line, Oh that's going
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 5: up field, that's an illegal shift.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: That's different. He wasn't going up Sometimes they don't call it,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: not anymore. It's called almost every time.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: Now. I was watch hicking on things that they call
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: every single time. Mimi.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: I was watching it on Sunday.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 5: It was like, oh my god, he just he's that
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 5: needs to be a pay I got called because he
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 5: didn't stop.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about our game.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: No, I'm talking about Jared Goff as the quarterback. He
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: goes under center and he becomes the traditional quarterback even
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: though he didn't put his hands underneath right, because he
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: did that, he's not allowed to go in motion without stopping.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: Like why is that a rule? Like it's so over complicated.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: And you know again, I watched the Bears last night
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: lose a touchdown because they deemed that the tackles lined
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: up too far back. And then they go to the
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: replay and the rules experts say, is, I don't know
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: what they're looking at? There is helmet is is even
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: with the centers behind. I don't there's not what I
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: would have called, like, how many times did they take
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: away these big plays?
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean it happened on the one before, you know,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 5: to Diggs they call an a legal shift on Remandre
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 5: on third down that had absolutely nothing nothing, and it
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: wipes out a first down. Then then the Patriots false
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 5: start and get into like third and twelve or something seventeen,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 5: and the bomb to Diggs gets wiped out by and
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: then finally he throws incomplete again to Inference, but he
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: easily could have been in afference. It was just a
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 5: comedy of just ridiculousness, like the illegal shift on Remandri
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: I like, okay, maybe he like kind of like moved in.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: His a little one telling me.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: I was like, I read it the same way you did.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: They called it on Stevenson for kind of not setting
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: and which constituted two guys in motion, which I hate,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: but whatever. Someone told me today that it was actually
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: called on Digs for going upfield.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: It's in it's in the book. It's in the book,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: says Stevenson.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't know if you know if they
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: but on that one drive, there's three calls that impacted
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: the possession.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: Like we had some calls that were sort of like
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: you know, unfortunately, they just couldn't they couldn't quite finish
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: the game. Off they got sloppy in the second I
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I might. I know, I worked with
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: Patriots dot Com. I'm going to cut him some slack.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: I think the offense was perfectly fine in the second
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: half except for stuff like that, like they weren't going
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: to get stopped on that drive if not for the help.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: And again I'm not just saying it was one side
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: because it wasn't. Like you know, someone said to me,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: Someone said to me like, this is these kinds of
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: games lead you to believe that the games are fixed.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: I go, yeah, well, who's it fixed for? Like they're
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: just flipping coins the whole day. It's unbelievable.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 5: How how like, I don't know, because if he hits
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 5: the you know, the one, the digs are and field
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: goal range just automatically on the throat to dick absolutely
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: and if they called the one the next play on
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: Holland right now, it's you know, But I also think
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: there was probably you know, there was a Marcus Jones
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: kind of tug of the arm on the alave one
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 5: that could have been Again, I don't want to see calls.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: I just want to see the guys make place.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: Like I get it, it's moving fast. Diggs does put
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: his hand out on the guy.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: The illegals that one.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: I can understand the illegal shift penalty on Remandre, Like
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 5: we have to have a understanding of does this impact
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: the play or not? Like is this is him moving
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 5: two inches from his left to his right? Is that
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: the difference between this play working and this play not work.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why it's a rule, but was fooling right?
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: It's not there's no advantage that he is gaining from
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 5: being able to do that. He didn't probably even do
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 5: it on purpose. So like these we see this every
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: you know, Paul's right, Like you know Lineman is an
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: inch you know back too far back into the backfield,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: or this motion is illegal because of X, Y and
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: Z if there's no clear advantage that's being presented to
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 5: the offense or the defense because it's something I don't
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: know why.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: They're getting So what about like hockey, you have a
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: delayed call and sometimes you just blow it off because
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: it really doesn't impact, Like icing or something like that.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know what do they have delayed calls in
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: hockey for everything? But like, but what if you have
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: like a flag that comes out that it's a delayed call.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: So if this ends up impacting the play, it's gonna
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: be a penalty. So I don't think you can say that.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think you can do that.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: Now. I would say, to Evans's point about the sky judge, Guy, judge,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: can you just have some common sense on the play?
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: To Douglas ask the dude at the bar, So can't
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: the sky.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: Judge just say, we're really gonna call this play seven
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: yards downfield with two guys sort of jostling one another. Right,
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: no problem, there is no flag on the play, right,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: pick it up. Results of the play is a touchdown hockey.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: We would have another paragraph to say after that, but
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 3: it's pretty simple.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: Ivans in California, what's up?
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: Ivan?
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: Hey?
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 20: Happy first place Tuesday.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 20: There we go, We enjoy it. I know you guys,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 20: you were touching on some of the things I wanted
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 20: to bring up, But I just say number one. Uh,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 20: doesn't make me a homer to say that that was
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 20: the most egregious terrible day of flags throwing I've ever
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 20: seen in my life. And the thing it sucks is
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 20: that it takes a little bit of the joy out
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 20: of watching the game, you know what I mean. And
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 20: I hope somehow, some way, somebody at the headquarters says,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 20: figures out a way to make, you know, the entertainment
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 20: value a little bit higher instead of having to be
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 20: talking about this stuff, you know what I mean.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know the league is really promoting flag
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: football these days.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point, because that's what it looks like.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: There's twenty five penalties every game, every game, right, And
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: I agree with you. I think it last night, I
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: trying to check out, like I can't watch the games anymore.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: It's it's really hard when every big play gets wiped out.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, crazy, it really is. It's like every good play,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 20: you're like, okay, hold on a second, is there flag?
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 10: Oh no?
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 20: And then it's just I just hope they fixed it.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 20: But with that said, I know you guys have been
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 20: harping out that. I got a question for you. As
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 20: far as the running backs. I mean, I know Henry
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 20: was thrown out there, and maybe Baltimore, both South and
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 20: maybe they're willing to. But if not Henry, who else
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 20: do you think we could we could target? Because that
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 20: absolutely has become the number one the number one need
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 20: what that'll take it off line?
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: I think it's hard because a lot of teams need
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: running backs. Yeah, there's such attrition at that position.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: What if there was a real, you know, one of
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: the best guards available, what would you give.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 7: Up for that?
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: Why would the one of the best guards be available.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: For the same reason that Breess Hall might be available
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: because the team stakes.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say, Brireee Hall is one of the best
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: running backs whatever.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 7: You know what?
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: And I don't even know that.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: You say, why why would anyone be available because they
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: want to get.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: Rid of or to your point, I don't even know
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: that Breess Hall is available.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: I'm but like, why would and why would Derrick Henry
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: be available?
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: Well, because Baltimore is one in five exactly, so maybe
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 5: the team is also in.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: The last year of his deal. If he's one of
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: the best guards in football, like he's part of my future.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if that's the difference, but maybe
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: he's an older guy, but he's still one of the best.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: I know what you're getting I don't know. I wouldn't
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: be interested in acquiring a guy. Yeah, I wouldn't be
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: interested in acquiring Okay, just say that I'm going to
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: make moves. It's going to be like to impact my teams.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: Like what if Joe Toney was available for some reason
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: he was Oh he was available and you weren't.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm you know what I'm saying, Like, there's
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: other places besides running back could upgrade that would help
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: the running.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: Get point in your Joe Tony retort. It was an
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: excellent one friend. Okay, No, I'm saying.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 5: I was wrong, right, Joe tuning things?
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, I was wrong. Who's wrong? Who's a little running
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: back for the Chargers? You see this guy? But now yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: he's like with running back My point?
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: You said teams looking, I mean they're probably looking too. Well,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: that's what's amazing. He's like a little Danny woodhead out there,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: like Rico.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: Dowell is having like two hundred yards from scrimmage and
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 5: the Patriots can't find a running fact they can break
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 5: a tackle like it just it makes no like it's
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 5: not a Paul and I are usually lockstep on the
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 5: running backs like they're a dime a dozen't and the
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 5: Patriots don't have a dime right now.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: Like I just.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: It's like crazy, But but like I don't.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: Know, maybe with the Chargers it's the opposite. Teams are
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: giving for a bird a lot of respect and they're
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: not loading the box and that makes it easier for
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: the running back.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 5: I would definitely be more concerned if you know, they
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 5: go into next week in Tennessee, and Tennessee just says
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 5: we're just going to play quarters in two high safeties
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: and we're gonna let's see. Maybe if they can't they.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: Still can't run it, well we got problem.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: But if they can, what do you say that it's chess, Matt,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: it's fixed, that's it.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: Then well then I would just I want to know
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: what point total is at the end.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Chester's in Portland?
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: What's up? Chester?
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 12: How the field fellas? It feels good Born too and
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 12: a top the a scas man, I'm loving it. Got
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 12: to keep this momentum rolling because this team is coming
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 12: of age big time right in front of our eyes.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 12: By the way, Freddy Scalavino just called said he wants
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 12: his sweater. The FBI is reporting that there's a Whitey
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 12: Bowser siding and the Patriots Dunfilter Studio aka Paul Perilla
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 12: with his shamrock.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 13: Good stuff. Man.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 12: I just gotta say it's it's really good to see
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 12: the Pats beat a team that they're supposed to beat,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 12: even though those horrible officials almost derailed the momentum and
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 12: efforts there at one point. But Drake May that long
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 12: ball looks so beautiful, man. I mean, I think all
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 12: of us were on our feet on both of those throws,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 12: including the one.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 13: Polt that was called back.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 12: But what a long ball he throws.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 13: It is so pretty, you know.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 12: One concerned to know, you know, we'll talk about the
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 12: running game today. We got worked in the trenches on
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 12: both sides this last game, and I think you guys
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 12: need to kind of elaborate on what's going on there
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 12: because I think we don't we need to really improve
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 12: in the trenches. I'm concerned that this may be at
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 12: you know, a long term thing that might might hurt us,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 12: you know, down the road when we get against more
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 12: more persistent pass rushes.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: And so on.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 12: Uh, Big Mike, you know, I think elderd mentioned in
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 12: the post game, but Big Mike really struggled there with
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 12: some of the pass rush, and I think these running
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 12: backs just aren't getting much of an ability to get
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 12: to that second effort. You know, it's time to turn
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 12: the page quickly because I feel like Tennessee again is
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 12: one of those where the guard can go down a
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 12: little bit. Gotta, you know, continue to front load these wins.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 13: We gotta front load.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 12: And continue to build these wins early and often and
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 12: get a cushion because to me, the biggest award I
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 12: went with Drake way may win is AFC East Champion.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 13: Baby.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 12: That's where we need to start looking trying to soak
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 12: up some excitement for some continue winning here, guys with
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 12: some positive product progress. Shout out to the PFW Elite
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 12: and the whack pack, the best fans out there by apparel,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 12: op and out.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 7: Baby.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: All right, I forgot about them, Yeah right, scriber bash
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: like elite members, they sort of separated.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: They call themselves elite.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 5: Big Mike was fine in past protection Remember the fights
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 5: among the elites.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember they had not elite.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they had Colorado Pats fan says, booties need touchdown
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: in bounds.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: Okay on the play, Okay, yeah.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: On the table. You can see Rabel on the sideline
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: going like this, and like then he like they stopped
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 5: the clock and he like looks at the ref flake.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 5: What do you mean?
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: Like he was right there on it.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 3: And I actually that I worried about it and it
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: turned out like it wasn't. But like if you if
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: you watch it in super slow mo from the front,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: he sort of catches it like up around his chest
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: and the ball kind of slides down to his mid
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: section as he's falling back and his butt lands out
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: a bounds. Yeah, And I was like, oh, I don't
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: know about this challenge because the whole play is now
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: under review when you challenge, and I was afraid they're
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: going to, like especially I said this to my's not catch,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: but the way this game has been officiated, you know,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: like who knows what's going to come out of this.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: And I was like, could they rule that he didn't
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: have full control when his feet came down and then
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: he didn't gain full control until he landed out of bounds. Yeah,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: That's what I was worried about at the time.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: Now I don't think that was the case, but.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 5: I mean when they overturned it was a fumble. But
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 5: when they overturned the Alice punch out, I was surprised
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 5: just because they overturned it like that was.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: Hard to see. That was hard to see.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: The black uniform made it hard, but you could clearly
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: see on the punch out the wall moved. Yeah, But
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: the question was does he have control of it when
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: he hits the ground or not? Yeah, And it was
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: kind of hard to tell, But I thought that was
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: a fumble all the way.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: I do agree with the caller about the offensive line
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 5: in general, though I do worry a little bit that
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 5: it's a kind of a house of cards, like they've
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 5: they've grated out really well in all the past. Production
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 5: metrics like much much better than last year. But there's
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 5: just these little kind of bubbling things under the surface
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: where I'm like, they're kind of holding this together right now,
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 5: but is this going to kind of kind of crack?
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: It might be the best example of May's growth is
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of these plays, same amount of
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: pressure last year would have resulted in different outcomes than
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: they have this year. He's been so good at I
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: think navigating the pocket and moving around, avoiding sacks to
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: evans point, protecting the ball when he's doing it. I
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: think that's an underrated part of his development, his ability
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: in the pocket, whether like it was against Buffalo where
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: he's leaving the pocket or this week were we're just
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: moving around the pocket.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: Last year, a lot of those.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: Plays were just like over when he got the when
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: you got that kind of pressure, like he's either throwing
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: it away or getting sacked.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think you know what you're You're
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: going to kind of be on this roller coaster with
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: the rookies on the left side. Like Bradbury's been solid
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: in pass protection and really kind of all around. But
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 5: like is that going to last? Like he wasn't very
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 5: good last year in Minnesota, So does that go the
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 5: whole season? Moses been healthy, like, you know, does he
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 5: stay healthy? It just if there's some of these small
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 5: sea concerns of like bubbling.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: Up under the surface.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: You know, I still can't run the ball, like the
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 5: offensive line is a little Yeah, it's still a little
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 5: bit of a question mark.
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  Speaker 2: Barton Poland also says about the booty play, the clock
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  Speaker 2: doesn't stop if the player goes out of bounds backwards.
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  Speaker 2: I remember a team On's losing a game because of
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  Speaker 2: a great job of recognizing it by Rabel and once
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  Speaker 2: again a horrible job by the crew.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't go out of bounce backwards, but if he was,
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  Speaker 3: if something hit in bounds first, then that's why the
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  Speaker 3: clock should have continued to run.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yep, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like in other words, if nobody from the Saints touched him,
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  Speaker 3: does he go out of bounds?
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  Speaker 1: I think yes.
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  Speaker 3: I think he was falling back out of bounds. But
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  Speaker 3: if his knee hit in bounds and no one touched him,
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  Speaker 3: it's still going to be stopping the clock because he
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  Speaker 3: went out of bounds without getting touched.
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  Speaker 1: But that's where the difference would be. Yep, Okay, But
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  Speaker 1: it was a good awareness challenge.
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  Speaker 3: Back to back weeks for Booty, huge plays, keeping the
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  Speaker 3: clock running.
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  Speaker 2: All right, listen, we're going to have back to back
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  Speaker 2: show in fact, three in a row this week, like
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  Speaker 2: we do every week during the season, So we'll be
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  Speaker 2: back tomorrow at noon. Turn the page. We'll start to
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  Speaker 2: look at these Tennessee Titans with their new head coach.
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  Speaker 2: Do they get the new head coach bump?
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  Speaker 5: They also have a new offensive line coach, which is
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  Speaker 5: not would you quit with.
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  Speaker 1: Your son, Paul? If we can if Will got fired
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  Speaker 1: and you were on his staff, would you go out
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  Speaker 1: to sure sneaky big thing. I thought he was the
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  Speaker 1: problem to guy, I would I.
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  Speaker 3: Would definitely, I would definitely quit if twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Twomorrow morning, how's part? What does Barth think about all this?
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  Speaker 1: How was he, you know, dealing with this?
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  Speaker 5: So I think there's nobody on the planet that's more
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 5: excited that the Bills are kind of I mean, he
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 5: has been predicting it for six straight years, so he
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  Speaker 5: might finally be onto something today that Josh Allen will
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: win a super Bowl, but it will be with a
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  Speaker 5: different team.
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  Speaker 1: He won't be with the Bills.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, that's a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: a departure because he thinks Josh Allen stinks.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, let's calm down, all right, they're they're
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  Speaker 5: four and two. They're not two and four.
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  Speaker 1: All right. There, they had a couple of bad weeks.
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  Speaker 1: How differently you can look at a FOURD. You're chiefs
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  Speaker 1: still looking better. Their offense has been better the last
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: three weeks. Yeah. Notice why I say you're chiefs. He
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: isn't saying I don't know why they're my chiefs, But
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: you root I don't have teams. You know who you
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: root for them because fans don't. I'll tell you who
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  Speaker 1: I want them to lose. You want them.
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  Speaker 3: There's one team in the league outside of New England
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  Speaker 3: that I go to root for on a regular basis,
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  Speaker 3: and that's the ROMs.
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  Speaker 1: The ROMs. Yeah, I like.
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  Speaker 3: I've always liked Matthew Stafford and I just like the
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  Speaker 3: program that they built and the fact that they did
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: it without doing it the way everybody says you have to.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of like that.
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  Speaker 5: They again, they loaded up, they loaded up, and now
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  Speaker 5: they've drafted really well, They've done a lot of different things.
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  Speaker 1: Well. I like the way the Rams have put it.
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  Speaker 2: Again, he's rooting for something just to prove fans wrong.
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  Speaker 1: It always doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: Well, just to prove fans that's what.
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  Speaker 1: You want to go with, that's it. I like the
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  Speaker 1: way that they've gone about business.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody says, you can't, you can't do it that way.
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  Speaker 1: You can't sustain it, you can't sustain it. It's the
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: brainwashing from here. What round did they get Pooka in? Seventh?
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  Speaker 5: Fifth?
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  Speaker 1: Fifth, fourth or fifth?
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