Latest / Look Forward / Unlocking Africa's Potential: Navigating Credit Dynamics and Sustainable Growth
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- 1:46As the world's second largest continent, Africa is endowed with abundant natural
- 1:51resources critical to the energy transition, and a population of roughly
- 1:571.5 billion people supported by young demographics and a growing middle
- 2:02class, which presents exponential investment opportunities across sectors.
- 2:09The implementation of effective policies and innovative financing solutions can
- 2:14unlock Africa's potential, allowing the growth frontier market to emerge
- 2:19as a key player in the global economy.
- 2:22We already project Africa's GDP growth rate in 2025 to nearly triple that of
- 2:28advanced economies, but infrastructure deficits, climate change and debt
- 2:34sustainability challenges are hindering
- 2:36the pace of development.
- 2:39On this episode, I'm joined by three of my S&P global ratings colleagues
- 2:44to go deeper into their essential intelligence on Africa's macro credit
- 2:50dynamics, access to sustainable and blended finance, and the importance
- 2:55of robust domestic capital markets.
- 2:59Yes.
- 2:59Hi.
- 2:59My name is Roberto Sifron.
- 3:01I'm Chief Analytical Officer for Sovereigns and multilateral lending
- 3:04institutions globally for S&P.
- 3:08I work, with all the teams across the world, managing, the analytical aspect of
- 3:16the practice and of course, thriving for consistency and, and, and, and a more
- 3:23harmonious approach on our methodologies.
- 3:28I am Samirah Mensah, managing director, head of, Africa Research and Analytics.
- 3:35I'm in charge of coordinating research, across practices, for
- 3:40the African continent and also in charge of our stakeholder
- 3:45engagement and outreach initiatives.
- 3:49I'm also the country head of South Africa.
- 3:51I am based in South Africa.
- 3:53To, to be able to deploy our emerging market at African Strategy.
- 4:01And I am Elijah Oliveros-Rosen.
- 4:03I am the Chief Economist for Emerging Markets.
- 4:05My team forecasts some of the key macroeconomic variables for the
- 4:09largest emerging markets that we cover.
- 4:14Thanks so much for joining me today.
- 4:16It's only fitting that we start the conversation from the credit perspective.
- 4:20To set the stage,
- 4:21sovereign ratings in Africa are largely at the lower end of the spectrum with
- 4:25about half of the countries rated between B minus and B plus, and the
- 4:30third rated double B minus and above.
- 4:32Out of 54 countries S&P Global Rating's rates 26 African sovereigns.
- 4:38At their request, the continent had more upgrades in 2024 than any other region
- 4:43globally with five sovereigns on a positive outlook at the start of the year.
- 4:49So far in 2025 S&P Global Rating's upgraded to African sovereigns
- 4:54from their positive outlook moving one into investment grade.
- 4:58Roberto looking at you.
- 5:00Debt sustainability is central to assessing sovereign's credit worthiness.
- 5:05So what are the primary factors that are driving refinancing
- 5:09risks for African sovereigns?
- 5:12The first point I would like to make is, when we look at sovereigns, we don't
- 5:16look at sovereigns differently, whether they are in Africa or in Latin America
- 5:22or in Asia or anywhere in the world.
- 5:24We look at all of them through the same prism of our, of of our methodology.
- 5:29Um.
- 5:30And so does the market, especially in the sovereign world and especially in
- 5:35emerging market and frontier market investors look at these sovereigns,
- 5:39through the same type of, of analysis.
- 5:42Of course, understanding the differences that being in Africa might have
- 5:47vis-a-vis being in Latin America, and what, what, what aspects do you need
- 5:51to know of each region, but in general.
- 5:54The credit considerations seems usually, seem to be, rather similar.
- 5:59Some of the aspects are, you know, the, the, the basic aspect
- 6:04is of course the size of the diversification of the economy.
- 6:08As you mentioned earlier, I think, that for many in Africa places a strength
- 6:14as you go through the recent processes where you have a fair amount of.
- 6:20Growth on, on the minerals, hydrocarbons and other air, rare earth
- 6:27materials that the continent has, you know, quite a lot and that has.
- 6:31Play quite favorably on sustaining growth and providing a fair amount of, of growth
- 6:36for a region that, that has been lagging on that, on that regard, vis-a-vis other
- 6:42emerging markets, in, in the world.
- 6:45The next aspect is of course, the strength of the infrastructure that you have to
- 6:49support that growth, and that's an aspect.
- 6:52I think is very, very important and there's been a lot of work, to, to
- 6:56jumpstart that process in Africa.
- 6:59There are economies that have a much stronger degree there there is
- 7:03a quite, divergence, I would say, on the degree of infrastructure.
- 7:08Development in the continent, and therefore there is a spot there
- 7:11for opportunities going forward.
- 7:13And then the last point that I would like to make is just the, the, you
- 7:17know, the, the health of public finance.
- 7:18That's, that's very important for, for, for credit worthiness
- 7:23and for refinancing access.
- 7:26Investors will look at that, will look at how, you know, what's your
- 7:29capacity to, to, to produce revenues.
- 7:33Which in, when I look at, Africa vis-a-vis other emerging market, that's an area
- 7:38of opportunity where you could see an increase there, vis-a-vis, let's say Latin
- 7:44America or Southeast Asia, where, where the, the revenue takes are much stronger.
- 7:48Bottom line.
- 7:51I think a lot has to do with the combination of all these factors.
- 7:55What, what different strategies governments have,
- 7:59with each of these factors.
- 8:01You could see a very, very diverse, as you were mentioning earlier, a
- 8:05quite diverse group of sovereigns in, in, in the continent, right?
- 8:09You have, as you said, sovereigns that not only have had investment
- 8:13grade, but there are others that.
- 8:15Have recently obtained investment grade.
- 8:17And then there are others that have much more challenges because
- 8:20they have to deal with other issues inherent to their own realities.
- 8:23We had, you know, civil wars, we have coup d'é·tat's and we also have
- 8:27economies that are booming these days.
- 8:29So, you know, this is not just one fits all.
- 8:32You, you really had to make a, a case by case analysis, which is
- 8:36what we do, and honestly, what is at the center of what, um.
- 8:41What, what, what factors are going to drive your capacity to access market?
- 8:45It's gonna be very different depending on, on the situation
- 8:49you have to, you're dealing with.
- 8:51But the framework is the one I mentioned earlier with these key
- 8:54pillars that that investors usually use.
- 8:59And how do these countries manage the trade-offs between meeting their
- 9:02short-term financing needs and then ensuring long-term debt sustainability?
- 9:08Great.
- 9:09No, that's, that's a great point.
- 9:10And again, not just these countries, every country has to deal with that,
- 9:14dealing with the reality of what I need today, versus what I wanna
- 9:19look like in the long-term future.
- 9:22And I think a law has to do number one.
- 9:25You know, they, they've done a lot of work and, and I think.
- 9:27Again, this was a continent that was lagging on, debt
- 9:30management, for example, capacity.
- 9:34And there has been a tremendous amount of work over the last few
- 9:36years to improve that in many of these economies, and you've seen it.
- 9:40Our ratings have actually followed that process in many ways.
- 9:45We have seen improvements countries like banana.
- 9:48Or Ko Devo.
- 9:49We've also seen a, a fair amount of countries that already had that, like
- 9:54South Africa continuing that, that road.
- 9:57So you, there is a lot, there.
- 10:00there's also tremendous amount of work with multilateral development
- 10:04institutions to improve that.
- 10:06When you think about more the long term aspect of it, they worked, they've been
- 10:11working a lot, a lot with them and, um.
- 10:15But also they had to deal with the day-to-day issues.
- 10:17They had to deal with the short term too.
- 10:19Right.
- 10:19And they had to deal with the different volatility that markets, present.
- 10:25And, you know.
- 10:27As I said before, and I guess this is kind of the theme, the reality is very diverse.
- 10:32There are those that are able to access markets with much more longer
- 10:36term and a more preferable cost.
- 10:39And there are others that had to deal with, either shorter term or at times,
- 10:43there is no capacity to access, the international capital markets, so
- 10:49they have to turn to local markets.
- 10:52We usually tend to be shorter term and which higher cost.
- 10:56But I think in a nutshell, if you look at, the trade off, in, in many ways
- 11:03have been, dealt with kind of different, different tools at different times.
- 11:09Most recently, what we, how survey has been a turn to the local markets
- 11:14in many of these economies, which came in the one hand, the access
- 11:19to the financing they needed.
- 11:21When they needed the flip side of that.
- 11:23It was, it was more expensive and shorter term.
- 11:27Samirah, that's a perfect transition to a question that I'd like to ask you.
- 11:31S&P Global Ratings Research estimates that about two dozen African countries have
- 11:37markets comparable to other frontier, or in some cases emerging economies globally.
- 11:43Why is developing domestic capital markets so significant to driving
- 11:49sustainable growth across Africa?
- 11:53Thank you, Molly.
- 11:54So, development of capital markets is an absolutely a foundational step for
- 12:00Africa's development, economic development at large, perhaps two aspects here
- 12:05in my, in, in the way we look at it.
- 12:08The first one is a way of providing funding.
- 12:12Not only to sovereigns, so to governments, but also to the private sector, to
- 12:17enable grow throughout the economic and value chain, in the economy.
- 12:22Accessing market, domestic, market in particular.
- 12:28Um.
- 12:30Mitigates, if you will, external shocks, foreign currency risk, for instance.
- 12:37Optimize the mobilization of private capital, to the benefit of infrastructure
- 12:43funding in a given country, but also, to corporates, as they look to
- 12:48invest in specific, project and hire.
- 12:52Create job, hire people to, to essentially uplift, you know, the
- 12:58population, in, in their own country.
- 13:01So it's extremely important, at large, in a country.
- 13:05The other aspects, and I touched upon it already, which is mobilization
- 13:09of private, of private savings.
- 13:13Touching on that, I think it's important to raise awareness about,
- 13:17pockets of liquidity that are already existing, in sovereign wealth funds.
- 13:22Some countries do have those, but also pension funds.
- 13:26Yes, it's not as developed at as perhaps, you know, in in Europe and
- 13:31the us, but some emerging markets.
- 13:33And South Africa is a, is a very good example where we have actually large.
- 13:38Saving pools.
- 13:39And these pension funds can contribute, if well invested into, into the financing of
- 13:47specific projects, infrastructure projects in particular require long-term funding.
- 13:53And, and as such, of course, it's a, very good financing option.
- 13:59And so that enables essentially to have a self.
- 14:03Funded almost, type of ecosystem, that protects, sovereigns governments
- 14:10economies when, you have external shocks arising, throughout the economic cycle.
- 14:18Thank you.
- 14:19Now, Elijah, looking at this from the macroeconomic lens, despite global
- 14:24uncertainties, African countries have shown a degree of resilience and
- 14:28steady growth throughout the cycle.
- 14:30How do you explain their economic performance?
- 14:35Thank you, Molly.
- 14:36Yeah.
- 14:36If, if you just take a look at the last five years, African economies
- 14:41have gone through the COVID shock.
- 14:43The post COVID shock of high inflation, high interest rates, and
- 14:47now the shock of higher tariffs.
- 14:49And after all of these shocks, if you just look at media and GDP growth in
- 14:54the continent, this year is turning to be roughly 4%, which is basically the
- 15:00same average growth that the continent saw before all of those shocks.
- 15:06And Roberto was talking about the diversity in, in, you know,
- 15:09the economies in in Africa.
- 15:12So economies have not only been resilient, but there's several economies that are
- 15:16among the fastest growing this year.
- 15:18So if you look at Côte d'Ivoire, Benin, Rwanda, Ethiopia, these economies
- 15:25are growing 6% plus this year.
- 15:27So it's resilience and in some cases better than resilience.
- 15:32So what are the sources of, of this, you know, relatively good economic performance
- 15:37despite all these shocks that we've seen?
- 15:40Let me give you three.
- 15:41The first one has to do with commodity prices.
- 15:45So most of the region has benefited from the mix of lower food and energy prices,
- 15:51and at the same time higher metals prices.
- 15:54So the region is a heavy importer of food and energy.
- 15:59In fact, both of those goods are the largest components of inflation in
- 16:03virtually every country in the continent.
- 16:07Food alone, for example, in some cases is more than 50%
- 16:11of the consumer price basket.
- 16:14And as a result, household spending, which is 60% of Africa's GDP, has
- 16:19recovered in the last couple of years.
- 16:20So that's one source of resilience.
- 16:22And on the other hand, the price of metals.
- 16:27You know, such as copper, gold, precious metals, are near all time highs.
- 16:33And some of these are key exporters for, for, for the region.
- 16:37So you have lower inflation and higher exports.
- 16:40Now the second factor has to do with external financing conditions.
- 16:44We've all seen it.
- 16:46You know, global interest rates are starting to come
- 16:49down from very high levels.
- 16:50We expect that to continue in the coming quarters, and at the same time, we have a
- 16:54weaker dollar, which has also helped lower financing costs, in external terms across
- 17:00most emerging and frontier economies.
- 17:02And then finally, one thing that has been happening in the, in
- 17:05the background for some time now.
- 17:07Among some African economies, they have been going through some important
- 17:12economic reforms, whether that is liberalizing the exchange rate,
- 17:17introducing a better monetary policy framework, modernizing their tax systems.
- 17:22And those reforms have improved the ability of these economies to
- 17:26withstand global economic shocks.
- 17:28Now, despite all of this, it is important to acknowledge
- 17:31that the region still faces.
- 17:32Significant vulner vulnerabilities on the monetary, fiscal and on the external side.
- 17:37So more work needs to be done on the reform side.
- 17:40On the upside, to what extent could moving up the value chain
- 17:44in mineral and commodity sectors improve African countries income
- 17:49levels and overall growth?
- 17:51Despite all the resilience, one thing that's key is that the,
- 17:55the region needs to go faster.
- 17:57Faster to accommodate for this rapidly expanding population.
- 18:01And just to give you a couple of data points, so today, about 10% of the working
- 18:07age population is in Sub-Saharan Africa.
- 18:10According to most projections, by 2050, it's gonna be 25%.
- 18:14So one in every four people of working age will be in Sub-Saharan Africa.
- 18:20So this faster growth will need, will be needed to ensure
- 18:23that this growing population.
- 18:25Has, you know, a path to higher income levels.
- 18:28One key opportunity, which you mentioned, to increase productivity
- 18:33is making, unlocking all the potential that we have with the, the, the
- 18:37transition minerals that are in Sub-Sahara, Sub-Saharan Africa.
- 18:42For example, the DRC holds about 50% of the world's
- 18:46reserves of cobalt and lithium.
- 18:48Which are key for battery production.
- 18:50South Africa, Gabon, Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe, and the list goes on of
- 18:55countries that have vast reserves of other critical minerals.
- 18:58At the moment, unfortunately, most of these minerals are exported in an
- 19:03unprocessed manner, so in raw form, which results in low productivity,
- 19:07low employment generation activities.
- 19:09So the opportunity here is for African economies to play a larger
- 19:13role in refining these metals.
- 19:15Which will add higher value, added higher employment generation, and it
- 19:19would increase productivity rates.
- 19:21That obviously requires a lot of capital, and technical expertise.
- 19:24So there are a lot of challenges to get there, but the
- 19:26opportunity is certainly there.
- 19:28And on the downside, how exposed or vulnerable are African
- 19:32economies to tariff risks?
- 19:35Well, actually the, the good news is that the direct impact of US
- 19:40tariffs, is lower in Africa than in most of the rest of the world.
- 19:45So the exposure varies by country, but if you look at Africa as a
- 19:50whole, exports to the US account, about 5% of total Africa's exports.
- 19:57So very small amount.
- 19:59In addition, energy exports and most unprocessed minerals
- 20:03are exempt from US tariffs.
- 20:06So the direct impact, is, is, is quite low for most countries in Africa.
- 20:12However, the indirect impact is higher.
- 20:15Africa trades more with China than with the us and if the impact of
- 20:19US tariffs means lower growth in China, that obviously could also mean
- 20:24lower exports from Africa to China.
- 20:27Very interesting.
- 20:28So Roberto, this brings my next question all the way back to you.
- 20:32With these external dynamics putting on so much pressure, whether from foreign
- 20:37exchange risk or tariffs, or an entirely new unforeseen uncertainty on the horizon,
- 20:44what will be ultimately guiding African sovereigns in their funding strategies?
- 20:50I think at the top of this is improving macro stability.
- 20:53Right?
- 20:54Long-term macro stability.
- 20:55And we spoke earlier on how do you match short-term needs with long-term,
- 21:04ideal, structure of your funding?
- 21:09I think, also is very important what you are funding for, right?
- 21:13And I think if, if what you're trying to achieve, if, if, if, if you're going
- 21:17to market to fund an infrastructure project, is, is the type of funding you're
- 21:23gonna, maybe you're gonna go through more blended finance or try to get, um.
- 21:29Syndicated, group of, of banks or you'll get, multilateral.
- 21:34So, so there is, there is the, the good news there is that
- 21:37there is plenty of options.
- 21:39I think one of the things we've observed over the last few years, and not for
- 21:43everybody, but for most, there is plenty of options right out, out there.
- 21:48So I think.
- 21:51As we've been talking about how diverse each countries are.
- 21:55I think the blend, it's also going to be diverse.
- 21:58Then the second point that, that is very important, I think as Elijah
- 22:01was mentioning it, is, you know, how, how the market looks like when
- 22:06you are going to market, right?
- 22:07One thing was to have to go to market in 2020.
- 22:11In April of 2020 when the market was closed or after, you know, the, the
- 22:16war between Ukraine and Russia, Russia started, it's a very different thing
- 22:21as we saw only a few months ago, when many frontier markets went to
- 22:26market and were able to place bonds at a, you know, reasonable price.
- 22:30And I think these other factor also sometimes gets overlooked.
- 22:34I think people have still, the memory of the pre COVID years
- 22:39where many frontier markets were issuing a very, very low rates.
- 22:43Because global rates were very low, but now we're coming from a process, period
- 22:48of time where global rates are quite high.
- 22:50So, that also is important.
- 22:53Right.
- 22:53When, when you think about your funding strategies and how do you
- 22:57kind of stack up your needs and how.
- 23:00How to, to, to project that, that the good news, and I mentioned this
- 23:04before, but I think it's very important, is that we have seen a very strong
- 23:09improvement in debt management capacity and debt management units in general
- 23:14participating, quite a lot and in a much more dynamic and engaging, way
- 23:20that we have seen in in the past.
- 23:23I think there's still some, some, some, some stuff to do going
- 23:26forward, but I think when you put all these components, I think.
- 23:30They all, they all kind of come in line to support macro stability for, for these
- 23:35countries, which I think it really is what, what they need to, to kind of move
- 23:40to the next step and to when, when, you know, kind of ending where you started,
- 23:44when you were describing where, where the structure of ratings are today.
- 23:48Yes.
- 23:50We're probably not where.
- 23:52Where it's ideal today, but if I look back where we were 6, 7,
- 23:578 years ago, I think, you know, you can see an improvement right?
- 24:01Then you can see, a trajectory with, with, you know, kind of
- 24:05a positive trend in general.
- 24:07And I think that is very much linked to their capacity to fund themselves,
- 24:13their capacity to, to go to market and get the resources they need
- 24:16to do the things they have to do.
- 24:19Hmm.
- 24:20So Samirah, in a very similar vein, in what ways can African sovereigns utilize
- 24:25credit ratings to enhance their financing strategies for their development goals
- 24:30and to promote sustainable growth?
- 24:33Yes.
- 24:33Thank you for the question.
- 24:35Molly, it's extremely important and foundational for Africa's
- 24:40development to develop and build on domestic capital markets.
- 24:44Um.
- 24:46The use, the usage of credit ratings goes hand in hand actually with a domestic
- 24:52and international, credit, markets.
- 24:56We provide global scale ratings and national scale ratings for that matter.
- 25:02And it enables essentially, sovereigns, corporates, financial,
- 25:06non-financial corporates to essentially, leverage and raise.
- 25:12Funding, for their, sustainable development goals, but also build up,
- 25:17their economy and provide, certainly, social uplift to their population.
- 25:23So this is extremely important.
- 25:25At the same time, credit ratings, they contribute to,
- 25:29raise institutional credibility.
- 25:32Policy clarity, and this is something that Roberto alluded to, transparency
- 25:37around management of strategic assets.
- 25:39And as they do so of course, these tend to attract, more FDIs to, which
- 25:47in turn essentially, you know, provide funding and, raise, the
- 25:54economic prospect in a given country.
- 25:57And perhaps the last point I would like to make here is about, the,
- 26:01the optimization of debt management.
- 26:06As, as we look at, at, you know, repayment of debt in time and in full,
- 26:12by, issuers, credit ratings and access to capital market essentially enable.
- 26:19Debt management offices, for instance, to optimize, align their financing options to
- 26:25meet, not only their short term funding needs, but also, align with their longer
- 26:32term and sustainable development goals.
- 26:35So it has, a multi-form essentially and multi goals to, to, to, to
- 26:41develop these capital markets and access capital markets.
- 26:44And because there's always something to look forward to the inaugural
- 26:48S&P Global Africa Summit titled The Path to Capital Markets is coming
- 26:53up on November 20th in Johannesburg, in collaboration with the Arab Bank
- 26:59for Economic Development in Africa.
- 27:01This summit aims to enhance credit market development and highlight the
- 27:05role of multilateral development.
- 27:08Financial institutions in supporting Africa's capital markets.
- 27:13Samirah, how will the S&P Global Africa Summit contribute to addressing
- 27:18the challenges faced by Africa?
- 27:21Yes.
- 27:23Look, this is an inaugural platform, a premier event for us.
- 27:27It's a Pan-African event.
- 27:28It's extremely important for us to contribute, in our own way to the
- 27:33development of domestic capital markets.
- 27:35And I think your questions really, pointed to the fact that we, we take
- 27:39this, this question extremely seriously.
- 27:42Along with, access to capital is cost of, of capital, which is extremely
- 27:48sensitive for African economies.
- 27:51So raising awareness about credit ratings, what they are, their role in capital
- 27:57markets, is, absolutely essential.
- 28:00And we hope, and we aim to, to do exactly that.
- 28:04With the launch of this platform, supporting stakeholder
- 28:08engagement, true dialogue.
- 28:11With, policy makers, you know, central banks, dmo, government officials, but
- 28:19also mlis, so, development finance institutions, along with investors.
- 28:25So the private sector is extremely important to move the needle and
- 28:30to contribute, to, to, to new pathways, in, in addressing some
- 28:36of the road roadblocks that we, um.
- 28:39We are facing, or, or that the continent is facing.
- 28:42And then the third one, we are deploying, a significant amount of resources
- 28:49in terms of research and insight.
- 28:52And for us it's extremely important to be able to identify, these long-term trends.
- 28:57That can take the form of, you know, climate change, environmental risk,
- 29:03technological risk, geopolitical risk to just name a few and
- 29:08share those, with, the market.
- 29:12And as we do that, I think it's important, for everybody to understand
- 29:16that, you know, credit markets are moved by a number of factors and some
- 29:21of them are not necessarily tangible and are emerging and morphing.
- 29:26Into something, different, as we, as we, as we progress.
- 29:32Well, I certainly learned so much from this conversation.
- 29:36Thank you, Roberto, Samirah and Elijah for joining.
- 29:39And thank you for listening to the Look Forward podcast.
- 29:43To read the research we discussed, visit spglobal.com.
- 29:48I'm Molly Mintz and I'm looking forward to seeing you next time.