Latest / WDYM What Do You Mean? / Wakanda Forever Teaser is out and I have Issues with it

Transcript

Wakanda Forever Teaser is out and I have Issues with it · WDYM What Do You Mean?

0:00
SPEAKER_00: Hey guys, this is Michael, the host of the WDYM, the What Do You Mean podcast.
0:04
SPEAKER_00: And hey, if you have a passion for anime, sports, manga, sports entertainment, politics, sea turtles, the environment, you name it, come do it here on Anchorbout Spotify.
0:15
SPEAKER_00: It's the easiest way to make a podcast.
0:16
SPEAKER_00: Everything you need is all in one place.
0:18
SPEAKER_00: Anchor has all the tools that allows you to record and edit your podcast right here on your phone and or computer.
0:24
SPEAKER_00: If you worry about distribution, I don't think you should.
0:27
SPEAKER_00: Because there's plenty of platforms that you can do this from.
0:29
SPEAKER_00: For Spotify, Apple, Google Podcasts, Overcast, Amazon Music, Pocket Cast, just to name some of them.
0:35
SPEAKER_00: Everything you need is right here in one place.
0:38
SPEAKER_00: Go ahead and download the Anchor app or go to Anchor.fm to get it started.
0:41
SPEAKER_00: Oh, by the way, Anchor is totally free.
0:44
SPEAKER_00: So let me tell you this.
0:46
SPEAKER_00: If you build it, they will come.
0:48
SPEAKER_00: Go ahead and download the Anchor app and go to Anchor.fm and get your podcast started.
1:29
SPEAKER_00: This is uh interesting episode today.
1:32
SPEAKER_00: So at least uh this past weekend the Black Panther 2 Wakanda Forever trailer came out and uh got me thinking.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: It got me thinking that is Marvel doing the right thing?
1:44
SPEAKER_00: Because this is now gonna be two years of mourning and all that stuff.
1:48
SPEAKER_00: But um I wanted to shoot some um opinions about it.
1:53
SPEAKER_00: You know, get some just talk about the movie and what's coming and what's coming in uh November.
1:58
SPEAKER_00: Because Wakanda Forever is coming out November 11th, 2022.
2:03
SPEAKER_00: So without further ado, let's uh let's go recap Black Panther 1.
2:07
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about that first.
2:09
SPEAKER_00: Uh Black Panther 1 came out 2018.
2:12
SPEAKER_00: Currently, it's the sixth sixth greatest Marvel movie based on money.
2:18
SPEAKER_00: 1.3 billion worldwide, 700 million domestically.
2:23
SPEAKER_00: And uh the controversy all started when the lead actor, Chadwick Bozeman, he died August 28th, uh 2020.
2:32
SPEAKER_00: Right basically right when the pandemic started, people were in their house locked, uh not locked up, stuck in their house, and um had nothing to do.
2:40
SPEAKER_00: And then let lo and behold, we find out that Chadwick Bozeman passed away.
2:44
SPEAKER_00: So with that being said, the idea of Black Panther being recast was immediately immediately started.
2:53
SPEAKER_00: Uh people really felt like that T'Challa the actor or T'Challa the character should continue, while some people thought it was like a little bit disrespectful to do that.
3:06
SPEAKER_00: And um, I have my personal thoughts on it, but I also brought in uh someone who is also knowledgeable about this, um, no other than my nephew Terrell.
3:15
SPEAKER_00: Uh Tyrrell, you there?
3:18
SPEAKER_02: Yep, I'm there.
3:19
SPEAKER_00: All right, all right.
3:21
SPEAKER_00: Good, good, good, good, good.
3:22
SPEAKER_00: First, let's give you a round of applause for being on the show for your first time.
3:27
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
3:29
SPEAKER_00: All right, all right, all right.
3:31
SPEAKER_00: So, uh, like we like I said in the beginning, we had Black Panther 2018, uh Chadwick Bozeman died August 28th, 2020.
3:40
SPEAKER_00: And the teaser came out this past Sunday.
3:43
SPEAKER_00: Have you seen the teaser yet?
3:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I saw it.
3:46
SPEAKER_02: Uh I think they announced it at the San Diego Comic-Con, I think.
3:49
SPEAKER_02: That's correct.
3:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh yeah, I w I watched it.
3:54
SPEAKER_02: It was pretty good.
3:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it was go ahead, go ahead.
3:58
SPEAKER_01: It was it was honestly, I think, one of the best trailers they've put out in a long time.
4:03
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
4:03
SPEAKER_01: Like just overall, like visually, um the storytelling uh we got with like them.
4:13
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you remember, but like um whenever uh the other the characters like Adore Melaje or Black Panther's mother, they're when they were walking, the camera would follow them from behind, right?
4:25
SPEAKER_03: Right.
4:25
SPEAKER_01: You know.
4:26
SPEAKER_01: And that's what I think that's supposed to emphasize like they have to step up and take control because the king's gone, right?
4:33
SPEAKER_01: Correct.
4:34
SPEAKER_01: And then and then you get the parallel with uh Namor being born.
4:39
SPEAKER_01: So you get you have the death of a king and then you have the birth of a king at the same time.
4:44
SPEAKER_00: Right.
4:44
SPEAKER_00: And that's that's the that I think that's one of the interesting aspects of uh Wokana Forever.
4:50
SPEAKER_00: But the thing that the thing that that kind of that got me on the edge about this is as is how much more does the character T'Challa have to go through?
5:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh what I'm at what I'm saying is that within the base of just three movies, let's take the original Black Panther, he allegedly died from the challenge from Killmonger.
5:11
SPEAKER_00: Then you go to Endgame, he's dusted, and now for kind of forever, allegedly, depending on the the timeline of the movie, he dies again.
5:22
SPEAKER_00: So this would be the the third time in three movies that we have to deal with the death of T'Challa.
5:29
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's like it's borderline abuse of the character because this this and and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think this has ever happened in a Marvel movie yet.
5:42
SPEAKER_01: The death of a main character?
5:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, three times.
5:48
SPEAKER_01: Three times?
5:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it has not happened yet.
5:51
SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
5:52
SPEAKER_00: So so the question is to me is like what what is going on?
6:00
SPEAKER_00: Like why why do we have to bring these feelings in a movie?
6:04
SPEAKER_00: Because when I go to a movie, when I go to a movie, I don't expect to be all I'm about to be sad because this movie, I I don't know a movie where I I I'm going in their theater ready to cry, ready to be upset.
6:16
SPEAKER_00: The only time I did that was um what was it?
6:19
SPEAKER_00: Not what was it amazing Spider-Man 2?
6:22
SPEAKER_00: When you know you have Gwen Stacy in there, and you know that if you read comic books, you know Gwen Stacy's fate, right?
6:28
SPEAKER_00: At one point it's gonna happen.
6:30
SPEAKER_00: And eventually in that movie, spoiler alert if you haven't seen that, it happened.
6:36
SPEAKER_00: So I feel like I and if correct me if I'm wrong, or give me your take on it, is is Marvel exploiting T'Challa or is exploiting Chad Chadwick Bozeman's death?
6:49
SPEAKER_01: Uh I mean, I don't see how you can argue that they're not exploiting the situation because they've barely scratched the surface of what that character means in the Marvel universe, right?
7:06
SPEAKER_01: There's no there's no reason why it couldn't have been like that.
7:11
SPEAKER_01: I I honestly think the cynical side of me is thinking Mar you know, Marvel movies have become like a huge part of like our culture, right?
7:22
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
7:22
SPEAKER_01: Like they're cultural events.
7:26
SPEAKER_00: Like I can definitely say that.
7:28
SPEAKER_01: Rush after watch all these movies.
7:30
SPEAKER_01: Doesn't matter what character they put.
7:31
SPEAKER_00: And if you take it one step further, I'm sorry to cut you off, but if you take it one step further, remember when the first time, the first time Black Panther came out, I don't know how many times I seen, and this, you know, there's something on uh YouTube where you know Chatter Bowles is doing Wilkana Forever at every junction.
7:47
SPEAKER_00: Every like graduations at the movie premiere at Saturday Night Live, and he did it all the time, and it was it was a big thing for the for that movie to come out and showing that part.
7:59
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, it's a definitely a big event when these Marvel movies come out.
8:05
SPEAKER_01: So I think the main reason why they did not choose to recast them is I think they want to tie a real event, a real death, into their cinematic universe.
8:19
SPEAKER_01: They want to bring reality into you know their their movies.
8:26
SPEAKER_01: Because when when you when you cross when you cross over the two, right?
8:33
SPEAKER_01: Like you said, you're going into the movie emotion.
8:36
SPEAKER_01: Why?
8:36
SPEAKER_01: You're going into not because of anything they do, because of the real person's death.
8:41
SPEAKER_01: Right?
8:43
SPEAKER_01: So that I think that's why I feel deployed because it's clearly not about what the actor wants, what the actor's family wants, or anything like that.
8:57
SPEAKER_01: It's just purely because I think they see an opportunity to to make it more of a cultural event, to make it more of a emotional event.
9:08
SPEAKER_01: Because it's based in reality sometimes.
9:11
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
9:11
SPEAKER_01: Alright.
9:12
SPEAKER_01: So it's like it's like it's like a layup for them, basically.
9:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so you're you're basic so what I'm from what I'm getting is saying you it's it's it's a cash grab.
9:20
SPEAKER_00: Like it's hey, we know what happened, we everybody knows what happens.
9:24
SPEAKER_00: We got Ryan Kugler who's doing the sequel, who did the first one.
9:28
SPEAKER_00: If we do it this way, money.
9:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is money, yeah.
9:34
SPEAKER_01: Because like I don't know the best stories are the ones that have a hint of reality.
9:42
SPEAKER_01: Those are the best stories.
9:44
SPEAKER_00: Very true.
9:47
SPEAKER_00: So uh after seeing the teaser, uh what do you think is the plot?
9:54
SPEAKER_00: Like where where does this movie take place, in your opinion?
10:01
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's it's going to be what is um I don't know my deep marble or like that.
10:08
SPEAKER_01: So what is Namor's Kingdom cooked?
10:10
SPEAKER_00: Or what is the I think it's the Kingdom of Atlantis, if I'm not correct.
10:14
SPEAKER_01: Is it Atlantis shoot-up?
10:16
SPEAKER_00: I well in the comics it is.
10:18
SPEAKER_00: Now I don't know what the MCU, if they're changing it or not, but because of the whole uh submariner slash Aquaman, you know, both look alike similar characters, they might change it up, but as of as last I know, it's gonna be Atlantis or Aztecan lore for Summar for Namor.
10:39
SPEAKER_01: Well it looks it looks like to me, like obviously uh Atlantis or Atlantis and Namor, they're gonna take advantage of I I'm guessing there's gonna be some kind of division in Lakan overall, right?
10:52
SPEAKER_01: Like it seems like they're getting attacked from two different fronts.
10:56
SPEAKER_01: Like uh you saw a scene with the uh the ocean uh base, and uh it looks like military personnel from like it looks like date were uh arresting uh Wakanda scientists, right?
11:12
SPEAKER_03: Right.
11:12
SPEAKER_01: And so and then I think they're gonna have that on top of that, they're gonna start getting seeked by uh Namor's army.
11:20
SPEAKER_01: I believe that happened in the comics.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: Right.
11:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a hundred yeah, yeah.
11:24
SPEAKER_00: There there's a comic, there's two versions or last I recall, and I haven't read the books in a very long time.
11:31
SPEAKER_00: Uh there's something called the Doom Wars, where Dr.
11:37
SPEAKER_00: Doom was was back trying to get vibranium from Wakanda, and and I think he played uh that's probably that's probably they're probably taking that.
11:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if they play, he played both sides to get the Alanian, oh, what would you call them?
11:51
SPEAKER_00: Alanians upset at Wakanda and vice versa.
11:55
SPEAKER_00: And in that same comic, in that same run, Shuri took over the Black Panther at took over the Black Panther mantle.
12:03
SPEAKER_00: And with that being said, at the end of the trailer, we saw somebody in a Black Panther armor slash suit.
12:13
SPEAKER_00: So my my next question is who is that?
12:19
SPEAKER_01: Um it's most likely Suri.
12:23
SPEAKER_01: I think I think the proportions look too small.
12:29
SPEAKER_01: And I think that was the rumored replacement.
12:32
SPEAKER_03: Right.
12:34
SPEAKER_01: And you know, it it's a pretty good chance of Sherry because uh like you said, I think that's what happened in the comics at one point.
12:43
SPEAKER_00: Right.
12:45
SPEAKER_00: So uh here's my thing.
12:47
SPEAKER_00: Um now initially I heard Killmonger was going to be somehow resurrected, and I don't think that's gonna happen.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: I doubt it.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
12:55
SPEAKER_00: Now the one I am and it all depends on the s where in the five years story, five-year gap from when the blip happened from Thanos is when the story takes place.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: In my opinion, I think that it's gonna take in between us five years.
13:12
SPEAKER_00: This is not after, this is between the five-year gap from when he first snapped to when he last snapped.
13:18
SPEAKER_00: And the last thing we saw to Chala was that he was dusted.
13:22
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I believe it was Okoye saw him dusted.
13:27
SPEAKER_00: So my opinion, my thing is that during the five-year blip, they're like, hey, we don't have a Black Panther.
13:34
SPEAKER_00: And if you remember, if an endgame, there was no Surrey.
13:39
SPEAKER_00: So that's why I think when Angela Bassett's character is like, I have given my whole family, is that not enough?
13:45
SPEAKER_00: Surrey's gone, missing.
13:47
SPEAKER_00: We don't know where she's at.
13:48
SPEAKER_00: Uh Okoye saw Black Panther dusted.
13:52
SPEAKER_00: So therefore, there has to be a Black Panther.
13:54
SPEAKER_00: And in Wakanda lore, the Black Panther is a protector of Wakanda, which leads me to believe that it's Okoye.
14:02
SPEAKER_00: Like in the very beginning of the chat, the beginning, the very beginning of the uh teaser, she was there.
14:08
SPEAKER_00: And we don't know what she did.
14:09
SPEAKER_00: I don't think she got dusted.
14:11
SPEAKER_00: And again, like you were saying, that the frame was small.
14:15
SPEAKER_00: So I think, and she's one of the one, she's not part of the Dora Malaje.
14:21
SPEAKER_00: I think she was, I think she's the best candidate to be in the suit at that at the end of that credit scene.
14:29
SPEAKER_00: If that's not Yeah!
14:31
SPEAKER_01: If that's not Yeah, I I don't know, I yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
14:37
SPEAKER_01: It most likely is.
14:38
SPEAKER_01: I changed my mind.
14:40
SPEAKER_01: Because honestly, like if you think back to the first Black Panther movie, uh-huh, in my opinion, honestly, I think his supporting cast uh overshadowed him a lot.
14:54
SPEAKER_01: And Okoye Koye is probably the best character in there.
14:58
SPEAKER_00: Right.
14:58
SPEAKER_01: Without being up.
15:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:00
SPEAKER_00: Either that or I like I really did like Mbaku, like the you know, the gorilla tribe.
15:04
SPEAKER_00: Or Mbaku, yeah.
15:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I thought like the and I think that was actually on purpose to make Wakanda itself stronger.
15:12
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, like Awanda's a Wakanda is not just the Black Panther, it is it is Mbaku, it is Nkoye, it is the Dora Malay.
15:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's called Wakanda.
15:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:25
SPEAKER_00: And then when you saw the Dora Melager and um Captain Um oh no wait, Winter Soldier and and the Falcon, they beat up the the one to be or the US agent real easy too.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: So you think you think this is a t you you think this is pre-blimp or dusting.
15:44
SPEAKER_00: I think it's during blimp.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: Or during yeah, I think this is this is So you think this is a temporary Yep.
15:50
SPEAKER_00: I think I think this is merely taking.
15:52
SPEAKER_01: That's not bad.
15:53
SPEAKER_01: That's not but I mean the only thing I think of is in the in the MCU they haven't mentioned anything about like Atlanteans or anything.
16:06
SPEAKER_01: It seems like a pretty significant event to happen under I guess it could though.
16:12
SPEAKER_01: I guess yeah.
16:12
SPEAKER_00: Well they were saying I remember in-game they said there was something going on at the coast.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: Don't quote me on this because I haven't seen Endgame in a while.
16:20
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but there was when they were all doing uh projection holog uh holograms of uh it was what, Okoye, Captain Marvel, they were all you know getting back to each other and said it was a small disturbance on the coast of Wakanda, and he said, uh we're not worried about that.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: But uh, I mean again, and then the thing about it that at the end of Black Panther 1, they just opened Wakanda up.
16:44
SPEAKER_00: So we, you know, we don't know who's getting all these reports, this, that, and the other.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: So um, I think that that plays a part.
16:53
SPEAKER_00: So therefore, when all this is happening, we're finding out exactly what Wakanda is doing.
16:58
SPEAKER_00: When they c when uh Okoye comes back and says, Hey, the king uh King T'Challa has been dusted.
17:04
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what happened to him.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: And then Suri was gone at the beginning of Endgame, they didn't know where Suri was.
17:10
SPEAKER_00: Like, Suri is gone.
17:12
SPEAKER_00: And then you of course T'Chaka, the the original king, he died in uh was that winter soldier.
17:18
SPEAKER_00: So she lost all her family, and and that and then she her bringing that up to me and that and that cheeser is setting the the timeline for me.
17:32
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: I mean that's what I I can buy that.
17:36
SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
17:38
SPEAKER_00: So with that being said, I do at the I'm thinking at the end of this, I'm thinking we will have a um another Black Panther, another T'Challa.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: So are you, well one at one question one, are you a recast or don't recast person?
18:06
SPEAKER_01: Recast?
18:07
SPEAKER_01: That character that character has I honestly they have I they have not done anything with that character.
18:13
SPEAKER_01: Like I feel I feel like there's there's so much more potential.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
18:19
SPEAKER_00: And I don't I don't think like again, my thing is that I don't think that with the passing of Chadwick Bozin, it should it should not even be a factor in bringing back to Challa the fictional character.
18:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: It wouldn't be a factor with any other character.
18:36
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
18:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you just look at the history recently, we've had two Thors in Love and Thunder, we've had three Spider-Man in No Way Home, and I think we had four to five Doctor Stranges in the multiple the multiverse of madness.
18:51
SPEAKER_00: And now all of a sudden now all of a sudden we're having a multiverse saga.
18:55
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna have a couple Kangs in there, Kang Dynasty, and no T'Challa.
19:02
SPEAKER_01: No, okay, I was thinking like if they are going to decide to keep him uh dead, they they they announce they have a secret wars movie, don't they?
19:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: That's part of the line from Fed.
19:17
SPEAKER_02: Couldn't they bring him back then?
19:19
SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm saying why haven't they brought him back already?
19:22
SPEAKER_00: That's my question.
19:23
SPEAKER_01: Like, why because it goes back to the original point.
19:28
SPEAKER_01: They're exploiting his real death.
19:31
SPEAKER_01: Right.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: That's why he's not bad.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: That's the only reason why.
19:35
SPEAKER_01: If it was any other character, they w like I said, they wouldn't have even thought about it.
19:39
SPEAKER_01: It would have been the cat.
19:41
SPEAKER_01: But this they saw this as an opportunity to reality.
19:46
SPEAKER_00: Right, and that's exactly where that's where I'm that's where I'm ho conflicted about this this second movie.
19:53
SPEAKER_00: I remember I've seen when I when Black Panther was in theaters, I th I saw it at least twice.
19:59
SPEAKER_00: And depending on how this goes, I don't know how many times I'm gonna see it.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: I I'm hoping at the end, like like how the how the trailer, how the teaser went, you know, it went, you know, no woman, no cry, and you know, everything's gonna be alright.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: Then it goes to Kendrick Lamar's song, Everything's gonna be alright.
20:18
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's how the flow of the movie's gonna go.
20:20
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna be depressed, sad, and then we're gonna see something and it's gonna uplift the movie to at the end it's uplifted or it's gonna be good and all that stuff.
20:33
SPEAKER_00: So m my next question is does Ryan Kugler and Kevin Feige, do they get a credit?
20:43
SPEAKER_00: Like do they get a okay, Marvel's done good with uh 90% of their movies?
20:49
SPEAKER_00: Do we give them hey, they get a they they get a chance to tell this story?
21:03
SPEAKER_01: Do we give them a chance a path to tell a story of that?
21:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, do we say, you know, okay, you don't want to recast a child, that's fine.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: But you know, and Ryan Kugler and Kevin Feige we trust.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean it it I think it just comes down to the long term.
21:28
SPEAKER_01: Like if they're you know, if they're dead, if it's like it it is totally I don't know.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: Like all the way they treat they depicted and treated child goes into the past.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: Right.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: It's just It just seems it it seems so exploitative, I don't know.
22:05
SPEAKER_01: It's just I don't know if I can give him a pass.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: I can't I can't give him the benefit of the doubt.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: Like I remember reading things them saying like we care so much about the actor and we have such great respect for him, but I don't know why I don't know why they have to make it seem like this is his magnum opus performance when it's it's not.
22:24
SPEAKER_01: I I'm I know it I know it's not.
22:26
SPEAKER_01: I haven't seen most of his other films, but yeah, I don't know.
22:31
SPEAKER_00: It's it's just it's it's so exploitative.
22:33
SPEAKER_00: Right.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: And that's that's where I have the uh the trouble at.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: I feel like this is an exploitation of T'Challa and slash Chadwick Bozeman.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: It just feels like you know, you really I don't know.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: I I I just feel like what they're doing is a little bit wrong, but I guess I gotta give them the the okay, let's see, let's see what you got because Black Panther 1 was good, Kevin Feige has a good resume of doing these Marvel movies.
23:08
SPEAKER_00: I don't think he's had a lot of bombs.
23:10
SPEAKER_00: Every all of them make are successful, most of them.
23:13
SPEAKER_00: So I think we do have to give him the pass and see what happens.
23:17
SPEAKER_01: I mean, oh if you think the movie's gonna be good or not, I mean, oh I think that's a different question.
23:24
SPEAKER_01: Because oh, the movie's probably gonna be fine.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I honestly like the trailer looks pretty amazing.
23:31
SPEAKER_01: I think I was a great trailer.
23:32
SPEAKER_00: Right.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, you got people on there you got people on there crying online.
23:41
SPEAKER_00: You got people crying online watching this trailer.
23:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that that's why.
23:48
SPEAKER_01: That's why it didn't happen.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: That that's that's the reason why.
23:55
SPEAKER_01: Because I've said it a couple times, but reality to fiction.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm it together.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: That is very true.
24:04
SPEAKER_00: Alright, so the last question is well, one, will Black Panther 2, Conduct Forever, surpass Black Panther, the original Black Panther?
24:17
SPEAKER_01: Will it be better?
24:18
SPEAKER_00: Will it gross more money in the first movie?
24:21
SPEAKER_01: Oh, of course.
24:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:23
SPEAKER_01: All the movies are tending upwards.
24:25
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so real quick, inflation doesn't count.
24:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:30
SPEAKER_00: So is it is it bypassing the first one?
24:33
SPEAKER_00: Because the no I think the number one movie for Marvel is Endgame.
24:39
SPEAKER_00: And this right now, this is the sixth all-time grossing movie Marvel on the Marvel list.
24:45
SPEAKER_00: So, question one, does it pass Black Panther one?
24:50
SPEAKER_00: And question two, does it pass Endgame?
24:55
SPEAKER_01: Does it pass Endgame?
24:57
SPEAKER_01: Does it I don't know about that one.
25:00
SPEAKER_01: That ooh.
25:03
SPEAKER_01: I think it definitely passes the first one.
25:06
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
25:07
SPEAKER_01: But I don't know.
25:11
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
25:11
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you could ever match the marketing.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: Endgame is like almost the best playing movie of all time.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was the best advertised movie, and then and then even in that game, I didn't feel no like sadness and sorrow about that.
25:23
SPEAKER_02: Oh, no, because you knew everyone was coming back.
25:25
SPEAKER_00: Right.
25:26
SPEAKER_02: That this guy's not coming back.
25:30
SPEAKER_03: Alright.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: Or or the but I mean it it if it's gonna be weird if it is post-snap and then it's gonna be weird if it is pre-snap or not.
25:43
SPEAKER_01: During the snap period, because they have this guy's real face painted on walls and stuff.
25:49
unknown: Right.
25:50
SPEAKER_01: So like it if they just recast them, and they're like, oh, in in a uh future movie not too far away from this movie, it's gonna be kind of weird.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: Right.
26:01
SPEAKER_00: And that's what that's the thing, like thinking about it two, three years later, if they do recast, it's gonna be a little awkward.
26:07
SPEAKER_00: Like, didn't you didn't you kind of look like Chad with Bozeman?
26:09
SPEAKER_00: I swear to child looked like Chadwick Bozeman.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: Now he looks like John David Washington or whoever.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
26:17
SPEAKER_01: Um, what was do you know who Review uh Ree Ree Williams is?
26:20
SPEAKER_00: Yes, I I I I do know who Re Williams is, and just in case the the public who's listening to this, they don't know, Reeby Williams, MIT student who basically builds her uh own own version of the Iron Man suit with a box of scraps.
26:36
SPEAKER_00: So, yes, I do know who Reeby Williams is.
26:40
SPEAKER_01: Well, okay, so I don't remember the gap between Endgame or no, Academy War and Endgame is five years, correct?
26:48
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: They're not gonna recast that Reeve Williams if it is during the snap, right?
26:57
SPEAKER_00: No.
26:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, from what I know, she's getting her own Disney Plus show too.
27:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I guess it all depends on what how far, you know, what year it could have potentially took place there.
27:11
SPEAKER_01: I was thinking they might have to recast the actress, but that one ain't.
27:16
SPEAKER_00: I don't think they've shown Ree Williams other than in that teaser.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: She was in that teaser greeting Surrey.
27:22
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know, man.
27:25
SPEAKER_00: It's just uh it's a funny situation to say about Black Panther.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's it's it's odd.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: But uh you go back to the main point.
27:36
SPEAKER_01: Is it exploitative?
27:39
SPEAKER_01: It it's so hard to argue that uh that they're doing it at 100% pace.
27:44
SPEAKER_01: Right.
27:44
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how you can, honestly.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, if they if if at the at the end of the move movie or at the end of the credits or something to say, hey, we're donating portion of this to, you know, I think what he died from colon cancer, I believe.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: Or or giving it giving a part of it to his charity or something like that, you know, then that'll make it that'll that'll make it better for me.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: But I don't know what Mark, I don't I This has been a hard situation since he passed away.
28:15
SPEAKER_00: And now we're bringing we're conjuring it back up two years later.
28:20
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
28:21
SPEAKER_01: So it's just all right, so even even even okay, even if they do that your that charity proposal I mean they said that that regardless of his passion.
28:34
SPEAKER_01: Or not regardless of his passion, but regardless of what they're doing with his character.
28:39
SPEAKER_00: Right.
28:42
SPEAKER_00: Right, and and that's that's where like I guess we have to wait and see.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: I guess we have to wait and see what Ryan Kugler, Kevin Feige, and what they do lead up after, and then what the movie actually does itself.
28:56
SPEAKER_00: But uh we're gonna wrap this up.
28:59
SPEAKER_00: All right, all right, man.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh look thanks for the uh special guest host, Terrell Cornette, uh WDM with the uh Black Panther Two Talk.
29:08
SPEAKER_00: It's been good.
29:09
SPEAKER_00: Guys, thank you for tuning in.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: Peace out, girl Scout, I'm out.