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And then just the way it fits her, the cut.
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It's just, it's also L again, it's everything you don't think
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of, when you think of jersey fabric, right?
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This is a good episode 4 Jersey, let me just say that.
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That's you. Buy a jersey knit fabric found
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at your local fabric store. Hello and welcome to the
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article, some black hats. I move, Joy glass, and I am
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Wednesday. Addams cousin.
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Spencer Adams. Hello, Spencer.
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Oh, I want to be a member of The Addams Family.
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Oh my goodness. Well, they have so many like
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cousins, aunts, and uncles, you just throw Adams on, have your
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name and it works. That's true.
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That's true. Elizabeth Adams.
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Spencer Adams, I'm Elizabeth glass Adams.
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Yeah. But love Elizabeth.
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Oh, nothing nothing much. I started watching.
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Good Omens. Mmm.
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That's about it. Yeah.
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Not a big fan of that show, but the costumes are spectacular.
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I don't know the designer off the top of my head.
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But yeah, it's shout out to them.
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Like I love Neil Gaiman and David Tennant, isn't it?
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He's like one of my favorites. So is Michael Sheen, Michael
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shinzou. Incredible, whenever I see he's
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always IO, never expect him and I'm like, oh Michael Sheen is
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here. This is fantastic.
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Yeah, um, but I'm on a pisode to and I haven't really been like,
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giving all my attention to it and I'm like, I feel like I need
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to go back and give this all of my attention because there's a
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lot of back and forth TimeWise. Right?
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Well, I finally started the crown and I am just in heaven.
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I've just obsessed with the crown.
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I'm on the latest season. I won't spoil anything but
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Elizabeth and I were talking behind the scenes.
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Has been in bed every night crying watching the ground
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because I'm so sensitive. Look like you're about to right
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in the middle of all all the Royal drama because you still
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need to watch the Harry and Megan documentary man, this
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drama let me tell you all. I am just I can't get enough.
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I just and the thing is it's just like so toxic now like at
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this point it's getting really ridiculous.
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You know, I love Harry and Megan but they were talking about
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Harry. His recent book that's talking
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about Williams male pattern baldness.
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I do agree. I'm like, how did we get here,
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right? Why like, why do we care?
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Yeah. But I'm still like, I'm still
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paying attention at the same time.
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I'm like, I might play order this book.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think I might have pre-ordered
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it on Audible. I don't remember, right?
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I just, I don't know. We are just, we can't get away
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from the drama just like, don't worry darling.
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Royal family drama. It's just like you.
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Give enough It All Rolls together.
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It all rules together. You know what's also very
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dramatic Spencer, the incrediblelife of Wednesday
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Addams. Can we talk about this show?
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We watched Wednesday this week flawless.
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I love this show. Seth kiss.
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It was perfect. I couldn't watch it faster
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honestly. Yeah, absolutely like Like I
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remember sitting down to watch it and I think I watched the
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first like four episodes in a day.
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Yeah, just because like I didn't have anything else to do and it
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just like, I didn't want to stop.
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I watched, I finished it all on Christmas Eve.
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I actually had a pretty goth Christmas Eve.
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My is so funny. My brother came over.
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I had just finished Wednesday and then he was like, so what
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are we watching now? And I was like, oh, I'm kind of
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torn between The Night Stalker, documentary, or the Dahmer.
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Show. My brother was like, okay, bye.
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No. I'm just so dark.
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But yeah, this was a perfect show for the holiday season.
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I hope you all enjoyed it. Yeah, it's like, I love it
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because it's really, like, it's a wholesome.
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Also, like teen show. Ya.
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Like it really deals with like, young teen drama.
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Yeah, so how those young elements?
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Some people told me, maybe it's a little too young.
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I don't know. I still it was I filled that
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perfect place for me. I think that's perfect though
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because like this is a show, the whole family can enjoy sort of
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thing that's still the hands family.
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It was always like a younger, you know.
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Yeah, story. It was always meant to be like a
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family. Like, anybody can sit down and
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watch it and it's okay, right? Like it.
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So it's actually funny that like I started watching this and then
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have you seen goth baby on Instagram or Tick Tock know.
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So there's this woman her husband's like a famous wrestler
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apparently. Okay but like she has a baby.
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She has a really cute little baby and the baby's North
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Nursery is like a goth theme and it's they just give me I like
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very Addams. Family Vibes.
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Goth baby. Yes, and it's so funny because
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it's just like, it's just this cute little family and then some
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like, weird British daytime talk show was like, oh, this is this
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is shameful. This is like, how could you do
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this to your child? And she's like I didn't do
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anything to my child like This kids Nursery is gorgeous and
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like, they're trying to be like, oh, how could you expose your
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child? So I got the lifestyle and I'm
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like, you know what, this is, what the Adams family is all
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about. It's like just because you
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perceive something a certain way, doesn't mean that's what it
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is. Look gossip is life, you know,
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and Wednesdays, making goth. Cool.
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Again yeah. I say we should dive into these
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costumes because there's a lot to talk.
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Talk about, of course, it's a Colleen, Atwood, show.
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So you know that these costumes are going to be a plus, I plus
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plus get give us a summary Spencer.
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All right, while attending Nevermore Academy Wednesday
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Addams attempts to master her emerging psychic ability.
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Solve the mystery that embroiled her parents, 25 years ago and
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put a stop to a series of savage.
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Murders that keeps her new school on edge and that is
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Wednesday. Can I just say stay from the
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mind of Timber? And, is there anyone more
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perfect to do a show like this? No, there was not, there was
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not, and I'm shocked. It didn't happen sooner, right?
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Yes. It is almost like Tim Burton.
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I was like, oh, yeah. And then likes calling out
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what's going to design and I'm like, yeah, that's all we need.
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All we need. If you haven't seen this yet,
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get on that flicks. Like I don't know what you're
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doing, stop. Everything stopped, don't listen
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to this anymore, go watch it. And then come back behind the
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Wardrobe with us. So we have series creators,
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Alfred Gough miles Millar, and then we have directors timber in
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who he really directed. The majority of the episodes and
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had the overarching vision for the TV series.
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But we also have directors, James Marshall and ganja
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Montero. And of course Our lovely
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costume, designer Colleen Atwood, who you will just know
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from one of them, a million million movies or TV shows.
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You'll know her from Edward, Scissorhands, Silence of the
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Lambs Mars attack Little Women from 1994 where she got her
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first Oscar nomination Sleepy Hollow, Chicago, her first
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Oscars, win Big Fish Memoirs of a Geisha.
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Her second Oscar win. Sweeney Todd Alice in Wonderland
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another Oscar win, Snow White and the Huntsman into the woods.
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Fantastic Beasts. And Where to Find Them series?
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She received another Oscar award for the first movie and to add
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to her goth credentials. She designed the music video for
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My Chemical romance's. Welcome to the Black Parade
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Flawless. So she I mean can we just say?
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She's the goth costume designer? Like yeah, resume expands.
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So much more than that. But like she has the modern goth
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style down Colleen, Atwood. I mean, she crafted my life, you
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know, every you know, my favorite movies are Mars Attacks
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Edward Scissorhands, I love Sweeney Todd.
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I was Very obsessive Alice in Wonderland and high school.
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I've just you know Colleen Atwood has always kind of been
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my number one and let me just say that she's like major
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Celebrity level for me. I've seen her public a few times
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and every time I'm always like I do not exist, don't think.
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I'm even going to walk up to her.
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She scares me because I love her so much.
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She's so bad. Yeah, I went to she talked at
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fit on once and I went to it and I was like oh my gosh, it's
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Colleen, Atwood good. My for the first time she was on
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Radar was for Memoirs of a Geisha cause I love that movie.
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I still haven't seen that one. It's so good.
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And I loved the costumes and it was like, it was one of those
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first like, oh my gosh, like look at the costumes, movies for
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me, right? And then again, for The Addams
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Family, oh my gosh, the costumes.
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And this was something, she was actually very excited about she
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talks to her Type Bey about it and her very personal
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connection. She said, I have always been a
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fan of The Addams Family and of the characters.
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So naturally I was very excited to get the call my grandfather
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lived in New York City. When I was young and I remember
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he had an original Charles Addams cartoon, it was a family
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treasure. I remember the cartoon was of a
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man ice fishing and there was a shark fin poking out of the
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water. I just Love the humor of Charles
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Adams from such a young age. So I was very excited to help.
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Bring this show to life in today's world.
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That's so fantastic night. I just add that we did the first
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Addams Family movie in our first season on this podcast and
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Elizabeth gives an excellent recounting of the history of
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Charles Addams on The Addams Family.
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Definitely worth the five, ten minutes of scroll back, and
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listen to that episode. Yes.
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Yes, yes, it is. That's when I was our one of our
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best and one that's chock. Full of information.
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Yeah, she talked to Harper's Bazaar a little bit about the
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costume saying the principal costumes I created.
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But I Source a lot of vintage for the world around Wednesday.
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I pulled odd pieces from the 60s, 70s, more contemporary
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stuff. I didn't want it to feel
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Victorian which is a very distinct departure from Every
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other way that Adams family has always been presented from the
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movies, in the 90s to the original TV show and the comics.
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There are very Victorian Gothic. Yeah, sort of family, for sure.
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Yeah, it's always been a little bit more Victorian, but this was
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the first time I really felt like we saw, you know, Dan's
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family in a more contemporary view which I think is why I had
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so much fun with it. You know.
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Not saying, every time we've seen Adams Family, I've always
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felt a costume to the costume design has been flawless.
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It's specially those 90s films, but this is just so modern and
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fun and young but also like, it's like a new contemporary
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view on goth culture that I love so much.
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Okay, I agree. It's so contemporary cuz like
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the TV show and the movies, they're both very of their
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times. The movies are very of the 90s,
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the TV show is very of the 1960s.
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Yeah, switch off. So kind of lends to like the
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Brilliance of Charles Adams, it's like these kinds of people
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exist, all around us all the time, they exist throughout
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every decade, throughout every place and time.
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Yes, they're a little bit different from everybody else,
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TP and spooky creepy and spooky. But they've always fit into
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society, they're part of society, and they're always
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going to be part of society, mmm-hmm Alan's family for Life
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For Real. I just can't wait to dive into
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these costumes with you. Yeah, I cannot wait.
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Let's take a little break in our coffins.
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Take a quick little nap. And after this break, we're
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going to dive into it. Yes.
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Are you ready to talk about The Addams Family?
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I'm so excited that this is really my favorite part of this
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series was seeing how they were going to portray some of our
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favorite characters. Including my favorite Morticia
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Addams who famously, you know, I How I feel about Angelica
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Houston but this version of Morticia also Flawless.
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Yes, yes. And Colleen told Harper bizarre
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that of everything in this show she said the hardest part was
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the initial look of the of Wednesday's family which I
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understand it's very iconic you know it's you get it right,
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everyone got it right so far? Yeah, it's a lot.
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Lot of pressure one character, I guess kind of feels like took a
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lot of the pressure off though was Uncle Fester.
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So she went very classic with him.
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She told hype Bay with Fester, I kept him in his familiar black
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coat but added a hat which gave him a more Continental Vibe.
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It's a Fred Armisen by the way, killed that role.
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He is a perfect Fester. I do like the Hat because so
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much Of the aesthetic that our show somehow is continental and
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that hat. Really just use that shape, that
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kind of gives you a little nod to like that Pilgrim dress, that
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pops up so much in the show, which is so hilarious.
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It's so funny. And then that one time where
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they, where like the dalmatian. I love those costumes Marius.
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So good there in the like, Wednesdays in the sidecar?
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Yeah, well, hilarious with so flawless.
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Yes. Yeah, I love how she was like,
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you know, I'm not really gonna mess with Uncle.
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Fester is look, but like she made it versatile with the head
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where, right? Which I loved?
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Also loved more tisha's gown. And this was a one-er for
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Catherine Zeta-Jones, she only had the one costume.
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Mmm. So Colleen was like, this has
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got it be good. She told, hype Bay.
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You want to Something really special for an actor like
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Catherine Zeta-Jones, she brings so much to the show and came
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prepared for our first fitting with her hair perfectly straight
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in the Morticia style, she just made the work easy.
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Yeah, that's so funny. Catherine Zeta-Jones knew what
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she was showing up for. She's like, I am a professional.
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I know what's happening here, let's get this done and she just
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looks so beautiful, so beautiful.
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All the green Colleen. Atwood talk to women's wear
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daily. A little bit about making her
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gown. She said, I made the dress in
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two or three Fabrics before I really got it.
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How I wanted it to be, I was trying to take it out of the
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Jersey kind of vibe. I tried it in leather satin and
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a couple of other materials, but went back to Jersey just because
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it's weight the way it draped. And what I could do with it, Was
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the best choice and it's like, that's interesting.
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Yeah, I can imagine it being difficult to do especially now
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leather. That sounds difficult.
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But yeah, yeah, but the way that Jersey really sparkled on camera
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too, without it looking too campy and looked.
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It looked real like, you know, made sense for the scene and the
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lighting. Absolutely.
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And I didn't really think about this being, like, a jersey knit
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dress, right? It didn't come off as Jersey.
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No. Cuz the whatever the fiber
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content is like the way it works with the light, gorgeous the
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added side pieces. Like, you don't really think of
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detail like that being in like a plain Jersey dress, and then
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just the way it fits her, the cut.
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It's just, it's also elegant, it's everything you don't think
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of when you think of jersey fabric, right?
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This is a good episode for Jersey.
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Let me just say that to you by a jersey knit fabric.
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Get Wrecked now that your local fabric store and another iconic
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part of the mortician looked that calling talk to Harper's
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Bazaar about was the wig. She said, wigs are always a
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process in that case, the wig was pretty close in the first
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task, but we ended up making it straighter and thinning it out
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and making it look less Wiggy because in the humidity.
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The, the wig kept wanting to expand the last thing you need
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in a shot, is a big black wig, and I was surprised.
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I thought that was just Catherine Zeta-Jones was hair,
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right? It looked pretty.
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It looked good, you know? I mean, we all expect that, that
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look for Morticia and to me didn't come off as Wiggy, so
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that's pretty good Flawless, it was giving share, you know, it
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definitely. That's exactly what it was
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giving, that's exactly what was going.
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Especially young Morticia. Oh yeah, young Morticia is
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nothing but share by my favorite type of vibe.
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Might I add yes that truly naturally but who were all here
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for? We have Wednesday Addams played
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by The Fabulous China Ortega. I mean that she kills this role,
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this was such a great emergence into the industry for her.
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I mean, we've seen her in other films such as Scream but took me
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a while to realize she was the younger sister and scream.
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I didn't know that at first, right?
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Because she really becomes Wednesday in this film.
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It's it's transformative and she is incredible.
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It truly, truly is. And her first look is Flawless
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Colleen. Talk to variety about it saying.
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With Wednesday, we can now the iconic.
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Look right away with a nod to the original pointed collar.
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Little print dress and modernize platform shoes and then put her
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in an environment that she totally contrast with an
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American Happy Time, public school.
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Then you've given a nod to all that comes before and it really
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does it gives a nod to the comics TV show and movies all in
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one go and yeah, because it had to be Flawless.
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Everyone expects Wednesday and just At the opening shots
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automatically like okay, that's Wednesday, the hair, the caller,
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the print, the shoes, it's all there and I forget which article
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this was in, but Tim Burton really did want to like, you
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know, give a nod to all the other atoms family iterations
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before, because it's only the success of those as to why they
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get to make this today, right? And it just it works so
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beautifully, and she talked to her a bizarre, a little bit
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about the hair and the makeup She said in one of the early
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fittings, someone from hair and makeup, had the great idea of
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putting freckles on her. It was this simple genius thing
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and we also did bangs with the braids.
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It's a new look for Wednesday, much less cliche in a way.
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She always kind of had braids, but they were very tight.
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Victorian pigtail things we softened and contemporized it.
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With those ideas. It also makes the character more
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vulnerable in a different way. Hmm.
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I was like, I love that because like yeah, like the bangs and
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like they are like little bit looser, right?
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Then other iterations, it does make her much more like young
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and childlike. Yeah.
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Which I appreciate because there's always that chance that
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this could get to Halloween costume e because we see it
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every Halloween, you know, that person.
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Shows up as Wednesday Addams. And it, there was a chance that
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this could have went Spirit Halloween, and I'm glad at
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dinner. I think the bangs and the loose
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kind of braids really did the trick.
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It's, it's, it's Flawless. Let's just play ball.
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I'll be honest. I don't think banks, we're going
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to make a comeback and I'm like, bangs are making a comeback.
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Now, everyone wants to be Wednesday.
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Everybody's gonna want to be Wednesday.
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I'm like I can't pull off a bang but you know what?
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Everybody else. Have fun.
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And it's not just this iconic, not everything that came before.
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Colleen Atwood really modernizes Wednesday as she talked to
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people about, she said she goes to Nevermore which totally sets
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us free because once she's an Ever more, she gets her uniform,
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which is customized for her. But a total departure from what
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we know Wednesday as once she has her cash.
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All looks at school and her dorm or hanging out, you could
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contemporize the character, still keep it in the feeling of
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Wednesday, but really make it something that people of all
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ages, actually can relate to. She isn't just such an iconic
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person, dressed in a vintage looking outfit and Wednesdays
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wardrobe chef's kiss, right? It was amazing.
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It was Flawless and it's such a good point too.
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I mean, once we established her as okay, this Is Wednesday, I
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like that they brought this into a little bit more realistic
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point of view, where she's not going to wear that pointed
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collar every single day because that's not this Wednesday.
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It really reminded me of what Jenny beavan did with karela to
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where we have that established black and white look.
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Okay, it's karela but she wouldn't wear that every single
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day karela was like a very fashionable person.
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Wednesday is very more into like that vintage kind of, you know,
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going through thrift store looks but, you know, staying true to
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her. All black and white kind of
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aesthetic Which is where Colleen Atwood really got the Thrive.
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And it showed on screen, can we just smell her, the Emmy
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nomination. Now, what do we do, right?
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I'm like this is like it's so perfect and I love it because
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you're right. It's totally that like modern
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like oh let's vintage in Thrift things but mix it with like
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streetwear. Like clearly a lot of this is
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like very nice high-end Street where ya she's just it's
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gorgeous like that jacket. She wears the carnival, I want
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it. Yeah, I want that jacket.
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People forget that this is taking place and like a modern
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era. It's not, you know, a different
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era because they have iPhones, I believe.
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So it's still like, she gets a temporary Clover.
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Yeah. And another important thing that
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they kind of added this to the Wednesday lore is that she is
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allergic so color. So which I think is, A fantastic
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weird Edition. I truly believe she's allergic
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to color, right? I didn't at first, but now I've
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seen it pop up in so many interviews and like I guess she
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actually is allergic to color which I love.
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Yeah. And I'm kind of like why else
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would they like custom order a school uniform for her if her
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parents weren't like yes, she's absolutely allergic to call her
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but obviously designing in black and white is a bit of a
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challenge. And Colleen talk to high pay
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about it. She said the process was one of
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combining different textures and patterns within the grid of
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black and white. We thought a lot about the
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environment of the scene and the lighting and how that would look
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on film. It's a narrow color palette.
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So we played a lot with scale patterns and textures to give
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variation so we could achieve variety and Wednesdays look.
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Mmm-hmm, and it's like, that's exactly why this works.
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That's exactly why this works. If there is ever to be a
26:39
collection coming out of a show or film and needs to be this
26:43
one, which Colleen, Atwood better deserve all that she gets
26:47
all the credit, all the money coming out of it.
26:49
But this is the show that needs the collection.
26:52
I'm like, I can just hear like someone at H&M right now.
26:57
Like, just like cup constantly calling Netflix.
27:01
Hey, can we do a collaboration? And hey, can we do hey.
27:04
Hey this is good for my wardrobe by the way.
27:09
Because this is a me honestly whoever if someone collaborates
27:14
and they put out a Wednesday collection, I'm there they have
27:16
my money right. Like that's just how it is but
27:20
big percentage or all the percentage needs to go to
27:22
Colleen Atwood or I'm not buying it.
27:24
Yes yeah credit costume designers and give them the
27:27
money. Yeah huge that's no negotiation
27:32
there. Contrasting with our Wednesday
27:36
though, is her roommate, Enid. Oh my goodness.
27:41
I was like, this is like a Jen's easier like through and through,
27:47
it's perfect. It's the perfect contrast to
27:50
Wednesday. It's very Luna Lovegood.
27:54
Just complete opposite of Wednesday, and it's promised so
27:58
much pink, so much color she talked to her.
28:02
Variety about Enid's. Look, she said Enid played by
28:06
Emma Myers is the epitome of everything, Wednesday hates
28:11
girly color, full of chatter we had so much fun playing off that
28:20
with heated with the hard Graphics of Wednesday's things
28:26
in its palette with the orange and the pink and the yellow room
28:30
like a sunny contrast to Which helped make them both, look more
28:35
different from each other as characters.
28:39
It's so good and it's I love her point to about she's everything
28:43
that Wednesday hates but Colleen still does it in a very tasteful
28:47
way though. It's not like dramatic Barbie
28:51
pink. It's still very tasteful in the
28:53
way that she lays her pieces and prints and textures.
28:56
Like again, I can see myself in these clothes which would be
29:00
shocking but I think you can pull it off.
29:02
Yeah, I mean I get I get girly. Some time, my closets open night
29:08
right now and I'm looking at it and I only see like one pink
29:11
thing in there. Right?
29:13
Anyway, also seeing it as a character is a werewolf and
29:20
Colleen talk to people about how they kind of worked that into
29:24
her wardrobe. She said it is from the Lupin
29:28
branch of the family so I used Fourier textures on her.
29:32
That were soft, but sort of bristly.
29:35
I use graphics on her that made more of a balance for the black
29:39
and white on Wednesday. And I'm like, I love how she
29:43
like fit that in this like, oh, she's a werewolf.
29:47
Let me give her this big fuzzy, pink jacket and like these like
29:51
sweaters that are like a little fuzzy.
29:54
This is example of how badass costume design is.
29:57
I mean, no one would notice that, but, yeah, the whole time.
30:00
She's very fair, Z. Buzz 4z.
30:04
She's very fuzzy. Wearing first.
30:08
Yeah, it's my new favorite word for Z.
30:11
Yeah. You wouldn't notice it, but it's
30:13
just shows the genius of calling out what even when you're not
30:16
even looking for it, it really does.
30:19
And again Kali. This must have been a very
30:22
collaborative process because she talked about the hair and
30:25
makeup a lot throughout her interviews clean said to people
30:29
that Tim says, I want it to look like like eat it, does it
30:33
herself and every week she tries different things and it doesn't
30:37
really work. So that's how we got her hair
30:40
and makeup going. I'd seen a picture of the
30:44
concept for the set and wanted to keep a straight, a strength
30:48
in the color, I didn't want the girliness of pastels to be
30:53
expected. So I'm like, I love cuz I was
30:57
kind of confused by eating its hair but I'm like, oh yeah.
30:59
She is that girl that just like Throws some new color in her
31:04
hair every week. Till it fades.
31:07
I've totally get it now, she's totally that person that's on
31:09
Tick-Tock is doing like, the get ready with me these and just
31:13
kind of throwing things together trying to out love that.
31:16
I mean, that is another idea of how contemporary this show is
31:20
and how much I loved it. So yeah, speaking of Lee, what
31:25
else? I loved was one of our
31:27
favorites. Ms. Gwendoline Christie showing
31:31
up in the show. So perfect casting.
31:33
I mean Gwendoline Christie should be in everything Timber
31:36
and does this going forward? She posted like a like Yay, like
31:42
Wednesday. Season 2 thing on her Instagram.
31:45
So I'm like, bring her back. I am back.
31:49
I was Furious side. Is not okay with me, not okay,
31:56
because she looks so good in this show.
32:00
Colleen was talking to Harper's Bazaar.
32:02
Saying my inspiration for Gwendoline Christie is
32:05
character. Was Tippi Hedren in the birds?
32:10
She's just so fabulous that I wanted to do something special,
32:14
so I decided on that pistachio suit which I was like, oh yes.
32:22
Yes. That is exactly your
32:24
inspiration. Yeah.
32:26
You have to see a comparison to the actual look.
32:29
And also I love that we've now used a word.
32:32
Geo to describe something on this podcast?
32:35
Yes, it's the perfect description and I love the story
32:41
of how she presented it to Gwendolyn.
32:44
She told women's wear daily, I met Gwendolyn.
32:48
And I had this poster in my living room of the birds from
32:51
the 1960s. It was Tippi Hedren with her
32:55
hairdo up in this high collar. I said, somehow, I see you in
33:00
this world, then we Pan off that because I thought that's who we
33:05
means was in this little town that no matter where she was in
33:10
the world. She would always look good now
33:14
that you mention it. I mean, there is a lot of Alfred
33:16
Hitchcock type influence in this world.
33:19
Anyway, is like, oh yeah, I'm burning Alfred hitch.
33:23
Yeah, Timber and Alfred Hitchcock.
33:24
Kind of have that similarity somehow.
33:28
I kind of need to sit with that and kind of dissect it, but I'm
33:31
really seeing that Confluence, it's pretty cool.
33:34
It's fantastic. And what's even more?
33:37
Fantastic is, how Gwendoline Christie felt about her
33:41
wardrobe. She told Vogue that principle
33:45
Wiens is the most glamorous character I've ever played.
33:49
And the first time, I felt genuinely beautiful in a screen
33:52
project Colleen was so extraordinary collaborative and
33:57
made me and my body feels so celebrated.
34:04
Yes, Queen, yeah, Gwendoline Christie is a force.
34:07
I think she's one of the greatest actresses out there
34:09
right now and we loved her and Game of Thrones but she's this
34:13
is something, she is side of her project.
34:17
She really is every red carpet we've ever seen her on
34:20
Gwendoline Christie, kills it every single time.
34:23
Yes, she does. I especially loved her.
34:28
The dance look for her. Oh yeah.
34:30
That like white gold. Old like just like every look is
34:34
elegant every look like. Even when she's waiting with,
34:39
what she's waiting with Wednesday, that is like one of
34:42
the best scenes because it's just like, oh, they are two
34:45
different people, right, that's so good.
34:47
Bring her back for season 2, mr. Burgundy, please.
34:53
But before we dive into some of the other extraordinary.
34:56
Look, Spencer, you ready for a little break e-brake?
34:59
Yeah, let's take a little break. We have a dance coming up.
35:02
So We gotta get our costumes on, we do we gotta dance, dance
35:07
thing. We'll be right back.
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All right. Elizabeth II.
36:13
Ready to talk about some school uniforms?
36:17
Oh, I am because I remember this life.
36:19
I had to wear a uniform for like three years before I got home
36:22
school, really. Oh my gosh.
36:24
I said, yeah, I've never. I feel like I never even seen a
36:27
school uniform in person but I can't relate.
36:31
But if I Wear a school uniform like they did at Nevermore.
36:34
I'm in so it would have been different.
36:36
It was like an ugly like white or green polo shirt with like I
36:40
had in elementary school, I had a squirt and then in sixth grade
36:44
which was my last year at the school, I had a kill which I was
36:48
really excited for but what's a squirt?
36:51
It's it's basically a pair of shorts that have like a little
36:55
skirt flap on the front or tennis players wear them my face
36:59
and I don't know, don't care. Score.
37:02
It makes it squirt. That's like away.
37:08
I don't know. I got ya.
37:14
But no in Middle School, in 6th grade.
37:15
This is the last year I was there.
37:17
Thankfully, we got to wear kilts.
37:19
Oh, that's very excited. Very interesting.
37:22
Like I had I had one that was like a little bit shorter.
37:26
That looked much better on me than I had another one that was
37:29
like a little big on me and kind of long.
37:30
So I didn't like to wear And then one day they my our
37:37
homeroom teacher measured the length of our Kilts.
37:41
So we all had to like Neil on our we had to like kneel down.
37:45
So she could measure are killed and then she was like you can't
37:48
wear this killed again. No, it was like half an inch Too
37:51
Short. Oh my gosh, you're living your
37:54
Dairy girls fantasy? Yeah.
37:58
Well talking about the uniforms of Nevermore, I mean, just
38:01
Flawless to me. This is it screams Timber and
38:05
calling that would I've talked about this before that, they're
38:07
really known for like that stripe aesthetic.
38:11
We've seen it in other films, and this was such a cool take on
38:14
the stripe aesthetic because it was so strong, Tim Burton, but a
38:18
color, we've never seen before. Yeah.
38:22
They it's This brilliant purple color and I like that.
38:27
It's like it's the Blazer and the bottoms and like nothing
38:30
else is straight. For the uniform.
38:32
It's just those two items. So it works really well.
38:36
And calling out, would talk to variety a little bit especially
38:39
about Wednesday's, all black uniform.
38:45
She said when we moved to the other world of Nevermore,
38:49
Wednesday's in a uniform that's specially made because she's
38:53
allergic to color. I wanted a gray and black stripe
38:57
but didn't really like how they looked in the world.
39:00
So, I ended up having The stripes drawn and painted, oh
39:05
wow, we silk-screened all her Stripes.
39:10
So we got something. That was a softer, variation on
39:14
a stripe, which is a fun process as a designer, to be able to do
39:19
my mind is blown, right? Because like, I thought it was a
39:23
really interesting print, because like the lines are very
39:26
soft on her uniform, everyone else, it's very hard black and
39:30
purple. Right.
39:32
Which now that I'm looking at it, you could kind of see it's
39:35
really cool. It reminds me of what Sandy
39:37
Powell did on the recent Mary Poppins.
39:40
Yeah, exactly. And then hers like they're much
39:45
softer, they're a little fuzzy. They remind me of like, static
39:48
on an old TV. Yeah.
39:50
But then I loved one. The one guy is like, you look
39:53
like a living Instagram filter it's like yeah she kind of does
39:58
look like one of those black and white filters.
40:00
Yeah. It's It's too good.
40:02
I, who I would wear that every day.
40:06
Yeah, what I wouldn't wear everyday is what some of the
40:09
some of the townies where I love, how tacky the pilgrim look
40:14
is. Yeah, meaning it's a full
40:16
Pilgrim and it's so tacky and that's really the point.
40:20
It's so funny and I feel like this is supposed to be like an
40:22
Upstate New York area and I'm like this.
40:26
They nailed it. They nailed it Kali and talk to
40:31
Hype. A a little bit, she said the
40:34
world of Nevermore in Jericho is what I call augmented reality.
40:39
They could be real, but they're a little bit off, as they are
40:44
seen through the eyes of the main character.
40:47
We had so much more license to build those worlds.
40:50
So it was both a challenge and an opportunity.
40:55
Interesting, I would not like to live in Jericho, no, no,
41:01
absolutely. Lutely.
41:02
Not I like her therapist dr. Kim bought who I totally thought
41:08
was the villain, right? We believed it was her for most
41:12
of the TV show. She gave villain Vibes.
41:15
She did. And I wanted to reveal that.
41:17
She's the one making the little like, roadkill stash use.
41:23
I was like, oh, it's her. Yeah.
41:26
But I love because she's just so soft and creamy and she has like
41:29
this beautiful little like Crescent.
41:31
In like necklace. And like the mayor, he's just
41:36
like, he's such a, like, typical like three piece suit, like tan
41:42
trench coat, very like normal normal political guy, right?
41:47
I loved Christina Ricci who as we all know played Wednesday and
41:51
the 90s. Yeah, seen her come back was so
41:55
cool and she looks so good. Her costumes were fantastic.
42:00
I am a little bit. Trade that she end up being the
42:02
villain might, I say that Wednesday is little boyfriend.
42:06
I knew he was the villain for a good chunk of it and really he
42:10
was giving me. He was giving me toxic.
42:14
Don't worry, darling, Vibe, I knew that you was trouble.
42:18
It's upset. I was upset that she wasn't
42:20
getting with The Artsy kid but I was like, okay, whatever right
42:24
now, I was team, artsy kid. I knew this guy was trouble, but
42:29
Christina Ricci. I was I was betrayed.
42:32
Yeah, that was that blindsided me as well and calling outward.
42:37
Talk to high pay a little bit about her.
42:38
Look she said for Christina ricci's Marilyn, Thornhill
42:42
character. I looked to the Plant World, her
42:44
character was an earthy type of person.
42:47
So I found pieces that had a plant theme or had green in them
42:53
which is like, that's very true. She wears lots of florals.
42:55
She has this fantastic like blue jumpsuit which like oh yeah.
42:59
Like she's working in her Garden or in her.
43:01
Conservatory like it made a lot of sense.
43:04
Yeah I thought it was fantastic costuming which reminds me and
43:08
remind me of her work on Fantastic Beasts and Where to
43:10
Find Them actually is this character?
43:14
It was kind of a low-key connection.
43:15
I felt like to calling out Woods work.
43:17
Yeah. I still want to Colleen, will
43:19
you please come on the podcast. I mean, at least, I don't know
43:26
if either of us, could talk Maybe not, maybe not another.
43:31
Credible seat. There were a lot of like really
43:33
good costumes scenes and one of them was the Poke up.
43:38
Oh yeah. I love that scene and calling
43:41
talk to people a lot about this. She said, I think probably the
43:46
hardest costume to practically make work, were the Poke up
43:51
ones? It was in real water and it was
43:54
freezing cold. They had to wear stuff that
43:58
looked good but they could still have a wet suit underneath.
44:01
Neath part of the time, it was really hard.
44:05
That sounds hard. Right.
44:07
How do you fit a wet suit underneath some of that?
44:10
Because it's already pretty tight.
44:12
Yeah. Especially like the cat suit for
44:15
Wednesday and Enid steam. I'm like how did they make that
44:18
work? Yeah I don't know.
44:20
Yeah. And like she talked to him or to
44:22
people about it saying they had to run through the woods in
44:25
costume so they couldn't be barefoot in a in the boat they
44:30
were a lot of little Nuances to the sequence that looked
44:34
seamless in this show but to work it out properly was the
44:37
most painstaking part of it. Mike ho designer Mark
44:42
Sutherland. And Bobby Salter who was my
44:45
source. Shopper really did a great job
44:48
finding things that could work and then we piece nailed it
44:51
together. It looked fine in the show but
44:54
we were terrified the whole time they were shooting you know it's
44:59
scary when Colleen Atwood is watching a scene, be Like I
45:02
don't know, this might not work, I'm not sure that would make me
45:06
panic if I were on right. Like, like those clown costumes.
45:12
Oh my gosh. Those are incredible.
45:15
That was wild all these costumes were wild and I loved it.
45:18
It was so weird seeing Wednesday, and I cat costume,
45:22
which was the one, you know, it's so not Wednesday and she
45:25
looked uncomfortable, but she was just ready to win that cup
45:28
and she did it. She did, she did.
45:31
And then another incredible scene was the Winter Dance The
45:37
Raven. I was so jealous watching the
45:42
scene. I just want to be at this dance.
45:44
The Raven was so beautiful and what's so fun about to is.
45:49
It's so white. You know, we're so used to like
45:52
these dark color schemes but this was very bright and cheery
45:55
and wintry, which I was not expecting and I loved it.
46:00
It wasn't and every character After just looked so perfect.
46:03
Edith like 1960s, like, very like fine sequin with, like the
46:09
fur, trim Xavier's, did you think he looked like the KFC
46:16
guy? What are you talking about the
46:25
Colonel Sanders? No, I wasn't getting Colonel
46:28
Sanders fights. He looks so good, but why he
46:34
kinda looks like Colonel Sanders.
46:36
I loved Enid. Look.
46:38
I loved like that kind of like 60s first time she's going for
46:42
and I loved Bianca's look with the skin.
46:46
I that was another the 1960s Vibes in this scene were real
46:51
and Bianca's just stood out. So beautifully the way it like
46:56
matched her makeup was Flawless and calling actually talk to.
46:59
Hey, pay a little bit. Bit about her.
47:02
Look in this scene. She said, Bianca's Raven dress
47:06
was inspired by 1960s fashion, but we incorporated scales and
47:12
fabric. That felt like her background as
47:15
a siren Flawless. So it was slightly snake-like,
47:21
but not entirely. We wanted something simple and
47:25
Sleek Joy, Sunday, who plays, Bianca is athletic and strong.
47:30
So I wanted The dress to complement and embrace her
47:34
strength. And I was like, yes it does.
47:37
Yes, it does. Perfect.
47:39
That's a wrap, she did it. I'm sure that she put it on and
47:42
everyone was like, alright next like that's the one.
47:47
Let's go. Also a very similar process
47:51
happen for Wednesday's. Now, iconic Raven look.
47:56
This is probably the most famous costume in the world right now.
48:00
I believe it is. Is and the story of how it got
48:04
in the show is amazing. Colleen told Harper's Bazaar
48:08
that there is a party dress that comes later in the season.
48:12
It's an Alia I found on a mannequin on Bond Street and
48:17
London. Of course it is.
48:20
Of course it is. She goes on to say, I made my
48:24
assistant, put it on in the store.
48:27
It's this fabric that moves and does its job.
48:31
And Such a great way that you usually see on dance costumes.
48:37
It has the sheer layers that have so much life so it doesn't
48:42
just hang there like a chiffon dress.
48:46
It moves really beautifully. I mean, I could talk about this
48:50
dress forever. It's perfect.
48:52
It's flawless. I love the movement of the dress
48:55
because, you know, designing designing dance costumes is a
48:59
whole different process, but this Dress was just so natural.
49:03
It was, it was perfect. It was made for this moment is
49:06
so perfect and it's mostly unaltered.
49:09
She said, they did have to do a little bit with the Ruffles at
49:12
the top because they were just too big for Jenna Ortega.
49:16
They just like, didn't quite suit her frame.
49:18
But other than that, it's just, they're just like, oh yeah, this
49:21
is the dress. She said, she talks of people
49:26
about it because, as she said, she said my assistants really
49:30
tiny. So, I I said, would you mind
49:33
putting on this on so I can see it move in the room.
49:37
I had her put it on and give me a Twirl in the store and I
49:41
thought well I'll never do better than this dress.
49:44
This dress is fabulous. The skirt was perfect.
49:49
She knew when to give up, she was like, oh, this is this, is
49:52
it okay? Like I think we could all go
49:54
home now. This is the one this is fine.
49:58
We're done well. That it's brilliant.
50:03
That was brilliant and it's the best costume to end this.
50:08
This episode on. It doesn't get better than that.
50:12
All right, Elizabeth, are you ready to play one costume to
50:15
rule them all? Oh, am I ever Spencer?
50:19
Daniel hit it. The one costume to rule them
50:25
all. All right, Elizabeth, what is
50:30
your one costume to rule them? All better question.
50:33
Spencer, what is your one costume to rule them all?
50:36
It's the it's Wednesday's Raven dress.
50:39
I mean is there any other option?
50:41
It's so flawless. I had watched the dance scene.
50:45
Probably 100 times before I even actually watched the show, I was
50:48
ready. I knew to choreo as I was
50:50
watching it for the first time, I'm sure this wasn't the piece,
50:55
they thought would be iconic from this show, but this is the
50:58
iconic piece from this. This show, it's so good.
51:01
Everyone around her is wearing like all white.
51:03
It's very bright and cheery, but it's just the lighting so
51:07
perfect with like that blue lighting.
51:09
The like lace is kind of like really transparent, really
51:14
Sparkles. It's just everything about it,
51:16
the Ruffles, the length of it, it's flawless.
51:18
I mean, it couldn't like Colleen said, she knew it was perfect
51:22
and they, that was a wrap. Yeah, so, perfect, so perfect.
51:27
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51:45
for our next episode? Spencer, we are going to go on a
51:50
little Shakespeare Journey over the next two episodes.
51:54
Starting with Hulu's new, original film Rosalyn.
51:59
Are you ready? Spencer, I'm so excited.
52:04
I'm right again, to some Shakespeare, you know, it's a
52:07
little touchy subject around here, but it's going to be
52:11
February. So, what better to do than a
52:12
little romantic Shakespeare month?
52:14
A little quote, unquote romance, a little quote, on quote,
52:18
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52:21
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