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Mission SONlight Chatt Season 4 Ep. 31 Clive Coutet - Lineage Journey · Mission SONlight CHATT

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  Welcome to Mission Sunlight Chat from the Media
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  Missionaries of Network 7. We are at the Exhibit
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  Hall of the General Conference Session in 2025
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  in St. Louis, Missouri, the United States, wherever
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  you are around the world. Welcome in. This is
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  the Exhibit Hall. Many hundreds of exhibitors
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  who are here sharing what Jesus is doing in their
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  corner of the world and an opportunity to network,
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  to encourage and be blessed as we talk with other
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  exhibitors and ministries from around the globe.
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  One of those ministries, is lineage lineage journey
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  if i say it correctly correct and clive you and
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  your colleague adam say it so much better than
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  i when you pronounce lineage how do you say lineage
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  lineage yes i don't know whether it's an accent
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  thing or you just know how to say it better maybe
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  we're lazy but anyway clive coutet from lineage
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  journey thank you so much for joining us no problem
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  thanks for having me I want to know about the
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  ministry, but first I want to learn about you,
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  who you are, and so forth. Before you tell us
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  your story, would you pray with us? Yeah, no
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  problem. Fire in heaven, thank you so much for
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  this opportunity to be with here. Lord, I pray
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  you may give me the wisdom to speak. May bless
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  the audience, whoever's watching, and help us
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  to have a good conversation. In your name I pray.
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  Amen. Amen. Clive, just so you know, I didn't
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  mention this to you ahead of time, a little housekeeping.
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  We have an audience from all over the world,
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  from many different faiths. And so I'm going
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  to do two things for you. If you mention something
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  that sounds very Adventist, and we need to clarify
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  that, we'll clarify that for our audience. But
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  also, you have an extraordinary accent. And sometimes
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  I have a bit of a Southern accent. And so since
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  yours is northern and mine is southern, we might
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  have to interpret some of that language as well.
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  Sounds good. Seriously, every now and then a
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  word isn't clear and we have somebody from Europe
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  or somebody from Africa. What was that about?
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  Anyway, our accents are just what they are, right?
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  Yeah, exactly. So tell me, you haven't always
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  been directing and producing documentaries of
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  church history. Tell us about your early years,
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  your childhood. So my early years, I was raised
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  in the church, Seventh -day Adventist, in London.
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  But, you know, for me, church was just a building.
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  So very early on in my teenage years, I had mentally
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  checked out of Christianity. And I checked into
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  worldly things. I'm living in an inner city.
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  The friends I'm around are not into spiritual
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  things. So it was easy to go down the wrong path.
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  When I was about 17, I... I got very sick and
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  I was told that if I had not gone to the hospital,
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  I would have had 24 hours. If I'd gone to the
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  hospital, sorry, 24 hours later, I would have
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  lost my limbs. If I'd gone to the hospital 48
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  hours later, I wouldn't have made it to the hospital.
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  Basically, I would have died. And I spent a week
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  in hospital recovering and I really began to
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  question my life at that point. And that was
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  kind of my journey back into Christianity and
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  trying to find out what is it that God wants
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  me to do. And for the next two or three years,
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  I began searching. And I was always very interested
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  in media. So my goal actually was to work in
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  Hollywood. That was my long -term plan. I went
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  to university. I studied a film and video degree,
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  film and video production degree, with a long
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  -term aim of going to Hollywood. I didn't quite
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  make it to Hollywood, but I do live in California.
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  So there was a connection there. I ended up in
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  California, and that's where I live right now.
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  But in my very last year of university, I remember
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  thinking to myself, it was kind of paralleling
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  with my spiritual experience. I've come back
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  into church. I've made really good friends. And
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  I remember coming back from church one day and
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  saying to the Lord, Lord, I don't know what space
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  there is for me in Adventism in media, but whatever
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  it is, I want to give it to you. And I heard
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  a very distinct message in my ear saying, I want
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  you to start a media ministry. I want you to
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  start a media ministry. And, you know, just out
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  of university, got no money, spent everything
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  I have on a college degree. And the immediate
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  thing was, but Lord, but I don't have this, but
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  I don't have that. I don't have a team member.
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  That was my immediate reaction. And the Lord
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  just kept saying, I want you to start a media
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  ministry. And at the end of that prayer. i just
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  got up from my knees and i was like okay the
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  very next day a friend of mine his mother which
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  i had not had this conversation with by the way
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  approached me and said hey i just received a
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  huge tax rebate and i was impressed to give it
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  to you to buy a camera and so she gave me this
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  cash so this was on sunday on monday i went to
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  the store and bought my first camera And at that
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  point, I'm like, now what do I do with the camera?
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  I've got this camera. What do I do? Okay, so
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  just as a media professional, it makes me nervous
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  to hear you say you went to the store and bought
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  your first camera because you and I don't buy
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  our cameras today at the store, do we? We do
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  some serious online shopping and looking for
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  pros and cons. So you were very much in the infancy
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  of media ministry if you went to the store. Yeah,
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  so there's an area in London where... It's like
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  a tech high street, and I went to that tech high
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  street, and I walked in there, and I went with
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  a friend of mine, and we looked around at all
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  the cameras. I spoke to some people. Okay, so
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  you did have some professional input there. Yeah,
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  so I physically walked out with a new camera
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  two days after my prayer request. Praise the
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  Lord. And then a friend of mine. Do you still
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  have the camera? I don't. I moved on since then.
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  Oh, you didn't keep the camera? I didn't keep
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  the camera. I actually gave it to my dad because
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  my dad was very influential in my journey into
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  this. What about dad? Does he still have it?
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  I don't know. That's a good question. He's just
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  moved house after 40 years, so I don't know what
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  happened with it. Well, I'd have to ask him.
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  It's a good question. You know, one of my big
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  dreams is to be able to have a small museum that
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  tells the story of lay people doing ministry.
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  It would be great to have that camera. I'll find
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  out. That's a distraction from our conversation.
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  So going on, a friend of mine who came into the
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  church roughly about the same time as me, he
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  came from a Catholic background, and he got asked
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  to preach his first sermon because, funny story,
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  but he came in through an Adventist girlfriend,
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  and the parents thought that he only came into
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  the church because of her. So the parents ended
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  up shipping the girl back to Brazil. They're
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  actually from Brazil, but they were living in
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  London. So they were fearful that this worldly
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  guy would only come into the church to be with
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  their daughter. So they sent her to Brazil to
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  university. Keep her safe. Keep her safe from
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  his hands. And, you know, it ended up being a
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  blessing because he was able to refine and grow
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  without the distraction of relationship, I guess.
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  But he said to me, hey, I want to record my first
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  sermon, put it on YouTube so that I can send
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  it to her so she can watch it. By the way, they
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  ended up getting married. They've got three kids
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  now. And he's pastoring out in California as
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  well. So it was a true conversion. God was in
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  it. Yeah, I have to say that. So he filmed his
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  first sermon. He preached his first sermon. I
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  filmed it. We put it on YouTube. It ended up
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  getting 250 views. Now, to you and me. That's
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  not a lot, right? To the world, 250 views is
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  not a lot. But to a 21 -year -old who has no
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  idea what they're doing in this media ministry
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  journey to put something online and with a week
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  to get 250 views, me and my friend were like,
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  wow, why don't we do this all the time? So we
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  started this ministry where we used to start
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  recording sermons and testimonies and poetry
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  and music videos. one of the very first social
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  media ministries and we put it out online and
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  within a half a year we had 500 000 views and
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  it was just growing and growing and growing and
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  growing and that was my journey into media ministry
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  i since got married and left that ministry and
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  started on started up a few others after that
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  but that was my my journey into what i believe
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  god has called me to do amen um you kind of quickly
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  through your childhood, your parents, were they
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  in support of where you were going with this?
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  Yeah, I've recently had conversations with my
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  mom over the years, and she said, you know, when
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  you went to university to study film and video
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  production degree, she said, I just began praying
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  because I knew what you wanted to do, but I didn't
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  want to stop you from... doing what you believed
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  you were called to do now obviously at that point
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  it wasn't a Christian journey that I was on it
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  was a worldly journey but God had his ideas and
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  God had his plans And my mom kept praying for
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  me. And here I am now doing full -time ministry.
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  And she's on the booth next to me with my dad
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  and helping me at the Lineage Journey booth right
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  now. Yeah, I met your folks just a little while
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  ago. That's really cool to be able to have your
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  family with you. Yeah. Siblings? Yeah, so I'm
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  the youngest of five. Oh, wow. And I have five
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  older sisters. So I was kind of alone. Wait a
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  second, Clive. We've got to stop and pause here.
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  I have two older sisters. Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah,
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  four is a lot. You know, people always ask me,
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  do you wish you had a brother? I'm like, I mean,
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  I think so. I've got some good brother -in -laws,
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  which is a good thing. I have great sisters.
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  They have been especially meaningful to me in
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  some of my personal challenges in recent years
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  and losing my wife. And they have been an incredible
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  blessing. I won't tell you the nicknames I've
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  given them, but we have gotten incredibly closer
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  as we've matured. And I'm sure they have nicknames
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  for you as well. Oh, I bet they do. I might have
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  even heard a few of them. But now, that's as
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  adults. As younger, that's really where my apologies
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  were. Older sisters can be a little tough on
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  you. As young kids, yeah. Even as adults from
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  time to time, but definitely growing up, there
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  was a little rivalry. It's funny because I have
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  four kids now, and I'm done. I've stopped. and
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  my eldest is a girl, and I've got three boys.
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  Oh, the opposite. Almost the opposite, yeah.
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  Okay, what does she think of having three brothers?
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  I mean, she was extremely disappointed when the
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  last one came as a brother. When we looked at
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  the test results and we saw that it was a girl,
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  our immediate reaction was a boy, sorry, for
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  the last one. Our immediate reaction was disappointment,
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  not because we were having another boy, but was
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  for her. But she's since got over it, and she's
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  appreciating that her brothers are going to take
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  care of her when she's... when she's older and
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  watch her back. So, yeah, she's a very good older
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  sister. My late wife and I had three older daughters,
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  and when I met my second wife, she has a boy
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  and a girl, and so we have five together. And
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  the girl was very excited to have the potential
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  of three older sisters to help her against her
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  older brother. But her older brother wasn't so
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  excited about having three more sisters. More
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  sisters, right, exactly. Yeah, so that dynamic
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  is kind of fun. Yeah. So I want to learn more
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  about where you went from the early days of that
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  first camera. We're going to do that when we
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  come back. I want to thank you for being a part
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  We'll be back in a moment with more Mission Sunlight
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  Chat. Being a media missionary can mean many
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  different things. It means the love of a home
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  at the heart of the planet. The intrepid spirit
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  of a village and the vibe of a great metropolis.
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  It means camera one and camera two. It means
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  transforming a school, orphanage, or hospital.
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  It means fire, rain, ice, and snow. It means
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  gifts by the dollar and by the check. It means
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  donations that roll and donations that fly. It's
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  a movement on a trail or down a motorway. It
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  means family. All of us together. And individually.
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  It's who you are or who you are becoming. And
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  to her, it's a simple gesture that means hope.
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  Whatever it means to you, being a media missionary.
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  means more than you might think. Welcome back
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  to Mission Sunlight Chat. We are at the General
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  Conference Session Exhibit Hall, not in our usual
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  digs in our studio, but we are in St. Louis,
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  Missouri in the United States. Listen, wherever
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  you are watching or listening, welcome to the
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  program. We're thankful that you are joining
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  us. I'm Christopher Beeson, your host. Jordan
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  Wagner over on the production side of things
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  as we look at the Exhibit Hall. Hundreds of exhibitors
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  here in St. Louis, and we are grateful for every
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  one of them because that means... They're sharing
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  the story of Jesus as we're attempting to share
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  the story of Jesus, specifically the stories
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  behind mission and ministry. And one of those
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  ministries, Lineage Journey. Lineage Journey.
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  Lineage. Yes, indeed. Clive Coutet, thanks for
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  joining us. No problem. Hey, tell us, since you've
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  set me straight on the proper pronunciation,
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  tell us about Lineage. So Lineage started 2016.
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  It actually started a few years ago in my mind.
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  And I would say, you know, God planted a seed.
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  I was actually reading through The Great Controversy
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  and I was really struggling. And a translation
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  is controversy for anyone who doesn't. He needs
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  to understand what I'm saying. The Great Controversy,
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  as we say in England. I was reading through that
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  book. And what I do is I read, like, say the
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  chapter on a chapter on Martin Luther. Luther's
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  separation from Rome or whatever. And I'd go
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  online and I'd try and find good resources to
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  go along with that. And I was struggling. Everything
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  was either really old or outdated or long. And
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  as a millennial, I didn't find there was shorter
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  content that really related to me or really had
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  some kind of appeal to move me to action. So,
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  wait a second. This search was just a personal
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  search? You weren't looking to share, hey...
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  show somebody else something no this was completely
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  personal okay so it's completely personal and
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  i remember um adam shares this so i know i know
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  he's okay with it i remember the idea came was
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  like why don't i why don't we create some or
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  i create some short videos i mean god has blessed
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  me with the gift of being able to record and
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  media production And it's what I'm trained in.
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  Why don't I shoot some things? So I actually
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  approached someone else who was a friend of mine
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  and said, hey, what do you think about doing
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  this? And, you know, he kind of like sort of
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  fobbed me off and was umming and ahhing. I don't
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  really have the time and this, that and the other.
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  And then it just kind of went to the back of
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  my mind, but it was still there. And around the
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  same time, not around the same time, sorry, a
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  few years later. I was actually outside the British
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  Museum with Adam. He was the youth director of
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  the North Fingon Conference at the time. And
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  we were working together because I was making
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  short devotionals, which would release every
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  single Friday, just something scriptural for
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  the young people. Two, three minutes, a Friday
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  devotional. We put it on YouTube and we were
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  very, very consistent every single Friday. And
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  we were outside there and we knew that 2017 was
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  the Reformation 500 -year anniversary. So I said
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  to Adam, hey, why don't we do Reformation devotionals
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  and why don't you just do it, right? We can just
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  do them at London. There's so many sites in London.
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  And he thought about it and he was like, yeah,
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  this is not a bad idea. I think we should do
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  this. We could release them on the North England
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  Conference YouTube channel. So we ended up thinking
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  about it more. We prayed about it and we kind
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  of left it at that. This happened in like, August,
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  maybe. So, you know, autumn is coming. Winter's
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  coming. Bad months for filming. Winter. Dark
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  nights. Early mornings, which are still dark.
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  As the conversations kept going, he said, well,
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  if we're going to do London, we may as well just
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  do England. You know, it's quite a small place,
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  which is cover England. A week later, he was
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  like, if we're going to do England, we may as
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  well do Wales and Scotland. And before you knew
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  it, he was like, you know, I think Europe's pretty
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  close. It's pretty cheap to travel back and forth
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  on a flight or a drive somewhere. We may as well
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  cover some of the sites in Europe. And that's
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  kind of how the ministry was born. Now, the concept
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  of the ministry was not to create this massive
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  media product. production ministry that's going
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  to reach the masses. It simply was for our young
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  people in the North England Conference. And when
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  we created the first few episodes, we felt that
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  we were onto something. But still, there was
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  no idea that this would go to America and Australia.
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  And, you know, I've got so many stories of where
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  they've ended up. But that wasn't the goal. The
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  goal was to reach our local people. And God just
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  took it and blessed it and multiplied it. And
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  now we've been going for eight years. And both
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  myself and Adam about a year ago went full time
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  to the ministry. It's been kind of on the side
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  for the time being and before then. So that's
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  kind of the journey into how it started. And
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  we've kind of gone full circle now where we've
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  just recorded. We just produced our very own
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  great controversy that has pictures and QR codes
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  to videos. We have a video for each chapter.
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  And it's amazing to see how God took it from
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  the initial idea. And he's just morphed it into
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  something so much more. But I can't take any
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  credit for that. That was all God who just took
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  the ministry where it is right now. Amen. Amen.
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  When Adam was on the program, and I don't know
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  if his episode will air before yours or after
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  yours, but when he was on the program, we were
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  able to show just a clip of the lineage journey.
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  I don't remember which clip he selected. But
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  if it's okay with you, we're going to just randomly
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  select one of those clips and show that for folks
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  now. Yep. We serve a God who has an element of
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  drama about him. In the stories such as the crossing
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  of the Red Sea, we see God deliver his people
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  at the critical moment when it seems all hope
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  is lost. Likewise, at the end of time, God will
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  deliver his people right at the end when the
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  destruction is imminent. At the same time, a
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  rainbow will appear in the sky and seem to encircle
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  each praying group. In the midst of this contrast
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  with the turmoil on earth, the voice is heard
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  in the heavens declaring the words of Revelation
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  16 verse 17. It is done. Revelation 16 says there'll
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  be a mighty earthquake such as never before.
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  Mountain chains will sink, inhabited islands
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  will disappear, and the seaport cities known
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  for their wickedness will be swallowed up. Then
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  verse 21 say that giant hailstones will fall
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  from the sky. the prison cells will be burst
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  open and God's people who have been held captive
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  will be set free. The graves are also opened
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  as mentioned in Daniel 12 verse 2 with a special
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  resurrection for those who pierced Jesus mentioned
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  in Revelation 1 and verse 7. The elements are
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  in turmoil both in the skies and on earth with
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  thunder and lightnings and those who derided
• 19:14
  and denied God, the most fearful in the presence
• 19:17
  of his awesome power. Amidst this, a voice is
• 19:29
  heard in heaven declaring the day and hour of
• 19:31
  Jesus' return. And then a small black cloud appears
• 19:35
  in the east about the size of a man's hand. This
• 19:39
  is the cloud that surrounds Jesus. And slowly
• 19:41
  as it gets closer, it becomes brighter and more
• 19:44
  glorious until it is a great... Here is Jesus
• 19:48
  returning as a crowned king, surrounded by 10
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  ,000 times 10 ,000 and 1 ,000 ,000 angels. The
• 19:56
  righteous cry out, who is able to stand? And
• 19:59
  Jesus responds, my grace is sufficient for you.
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  Clive, thanks for sharing that with us. I want
• 20:08
  to come back in a moment and talk a little bit
• 20:10
  more about what is next in the lineage journey.
• 20:15
  And if we have time, we might show folks a little
• 20:18
  bit more of the lineage journey that has been
• 20:22
  produced because it is not only fascinating,
• 20:25
  it is transformative for someone who isn't aware
• 20:30
  of the literacy, the literalness, if you will,
• 20:35
  of the great controversy that we're all in. We'll
• 20:39
  come back in just a moment. Thank you to our
• 20:41
  listeners and viewers. We are grateful to have
• 20:42
  you along. We're thankful for your prayers. Please
• 20:45
  keep praying for us and know that we are praying
• 20:47
  for you as well. We will be back in a moment
• 20:50
  with more Mission Sunlight Chat. is reconnecting
• 21:09
  ourselves with the Creator. We must learn to
• 21:15
  abide in Jesus now. We move ahead with our mission
• 21:19
  objectives, recognizing that we are serving together
• 21:22
  the Most High God. welcome back to mission sunlight
• 21:37
  chat we are at the general conference session
• 21:39
  in the exhibit hall here in 2025 but in st louis
• 21:45
  missouri you may be watching this in 2025 2026
• 21:48
  or who knows when at any rate we are thankful
• 21:51
  to be here right now with all the exhibitors
• 21:54
  because it's hundreds of exhibitors who are sharing
• 21:57
  what jesus is doing around the world and we get
• 22:01
  to be one of those exhibitors and one of the
• 22:02
  privileges that jordan and i have had and others
• 22:05
  in our ministry have had is traveling around
• 22:08
  the globe about 98 countries 100 countries that
• 22:12
  we've been able to visit i know when we hit that
• 22:14
  hundredth jordan we're planning on having a a
• 22:16
  good celebration to welcome that. But Mission
• 22:19
  Sunlight has been able to tell the story of Jesus
• 22:21
  around the globe, and that's what many of these
• 22:23
  ministries are doing. I also want to mention
• 22:26
  that with Connection is an opportunity for us
• 22:30
  to know who you are and you to ask questions.
• 22:32
  So do that. MissionSunlight .org is one place
• 22:35
  you can go. 1 -423 -855 -4877 is the number if
• 22:41
  you want to text us or call us. And then email
• 22:43
  is easy too, hello at missionsunlight .org. However
• 22:47
  you feel connecting, we are grateful to have
• 22:49
  that. And if you want to give, if you text us
• 22:51
  and say donate, we can send you the link or missionsunlight
• 22:53
  .org. There's a link to click donate right there
• 22:56
  at the bottom of the page. Easy enough for you
• 22:58
  to keep in touch and also to give. So thank you
• 23:00
  for your support of our ministry. Another ministry,
• 23:04
  media ministry, that we are delighted to have
• 23:06
  on the program and also delighted to partner
• 23:09
  with in any way that we can is Lineage Journey.
• 23:12
  I'm just curious, where did you come up with
• 23:14
  the name? You know, it was actually Justin Kim
• 23:16
  who works at the Adventist Review. I'm really
• 23:20
  good friends with Adam. He came up with the name
• 23:21
  and at first I hated it. There was a whole list
• 23:24
  of different options that came. And I just like,
• 23:27
  nah, that's not the one. There was, you know,
• 23:29
  our first videos were all about the Reformation.
• 23:30
  So there was Reformation history. There was like
• 23:33
  stuff to do with the 95 thesis. We ended up settling
• 23:38
  on lineage. It grew on me. And I'm thankful that
• 23:41
  we did because it opens up so much more that
• 23:44
  we can do than if we had limited ourselves just
• 23:46
  to the Reformation. Tell me what lineage means
• 23:48
  to you. So lineage means exploring a spiritual
• 23:51
  history. So understanding your lineage, like
• 23:54
  where you've come from, so you can know where
• 23:56
  you are right now, so you know where you're going.
• 23:58
  So that's kind of our motto that we stand by.
• 24:01
  You need to understand your past, to understand
• 24:02
  your present, to know where you're going in the
• 24:04
  future. Amen. You know, that's kind of the line
• 24:06
  that we follow here with Mission Sunlight. Tell
• 24:08
  us about your past, tell us about what you're
• 24:09
  doing, and then tell us about where you're hoping
• 24:11
  to go. Exactly. With encouraging word at the
• 24:13
  end. So that's a similar... Trajectory. Yes.
• 24:17
  Thank you. So speaking of trajectory, what's
• 24:20
  next for Lenny's Journey? So we actually have
• 24:22
  a series coming out in the next few weeks on
• 24:24
  women in Christian history. We have a book at
• 24:26
  our booth that we've been selling for a few years
• 24:29
  now called Sisters in Arms, and it's all about
• 24:31
  women in the Reformation. And it was one of our
• 24:33
  bestsellers. People were telling us, like, why
• 24:36
  haven't you guys done anything more on the women?
• 24:37
  Because, you know, some of the stories are incredible.
• 24:39
  Martin Luther's wife, for example, Catherine
• 24:41
  of Umbora, she was rescued from a nunnery, and
• 24:44
  she had to hide and f**k. barrels while she was
• 24:46
  carted in a horse with some other nuns to safety
• 24:49
  and then eventually you know down the line ends
• 24:53
  up marrying Martin Luther so there's stories
• 24:55
  like that that people don't know about so we've
• 24:57
  created a whole series I think it's 22 episodes
• 24:59
  we filmed it all of last year we're at the final
• 25:02
  stages of post -production we've also produced
• 25:04
  a accompanying podcast just for the women as
• 25:07
  well exploring some of the themes and topics
• 25:09
  that some of these people went through don't
• 25:11
  worry myself and Adam don't feature in it it's
• 25:13
  actually our wives so it's our wives hosting
• 25:15
  the podcast talking and it's kind of this informal
• 25:17
  chat with four women just talking about how this
• 25:22
  history is relevant to them today and how it
• 25:24
  can help them in some of the problems that are
• 25:26
  arising in the world. We're just currently right
• 25:29
  now releasing a series on the 1888 and that's
• 25:33
  been hugely successful as well. And we've got
• 25:35
  plans coming up for next year. We're looking
• 25:38
  at doing a series on the history of religious
• 25:41
  liberty. You know, religious liberty is really
• 25:44
  important right now with what's happening even
• 25:46
  in the US and around the world and how church
• 25:49
  and state are kind of starting to collide a bit
• 25:51
  more and more and more. So just looking at the
• 25:53
  history behind how that started, the Magna Carta,
• 25:57
  even going back to Egypt and looking at some
• 25:59
  of the religious liberty issues back then with
• 26:01
  Israel and Egypt. So, yeah, that's what's exciting
• 26:05
  for the future. Doesn't sound like you have much
• 26:07
  going on at all. Yeah, we have a good five -year
• 26:09
  plan in operation right now. So, yeah, we're
• 26:12
  excited. Yeah, amen. I want to go to, you mentioned
• 26:16
  women in the Reformation. nudged you in that
• 26:22
  direction? I mean, there's so many angles you
• 26:24
  could take with the Reformation. What nudged
• 26:25
  you in that direction? I know you said people
• 26:27
  were asking about women, but why specifically
• 26:29
  in the Reformation? It was really because of
• 26:31
  the demand of that book. You know, it wasn't
• 26:33
  in our radar to do it, apart from when our colleague,
• 26:37
  basically, Suki is her name. She's part of our
• 26:39
  team. She does our blog posts. She does all our
• 26:41
  writing for our books. And she was actually writing
• 26:45
  some blog posts on Women for Women History Month.
• 26:48
  or Women's Month, sorry. And so she would do
• 26:50
  a weekly blog post, and they're doing really
• 26:53
  well. And she started doing all this research,
• 26:55
  and she started to find out there's not actually
• 26:57
  that much modern information on some of these
• 27:00
  topics. So that began her research and her drive
• 27:04
  into creating new resources. So she created two
• 27:08
  or three books, and we have them at our booth
• 27:10
  over there. And they've done so well that the
• 27:13
  demand has been just like, hey, can you guys
• 27:15
  do a video series that accompany this? So that
• 27:17
  was why we decided to do that. Amen. Your team,
• 27:22
  you mentioned Suki. Suki, yeah. And I know Adam.
• 27:26
  I know you. How many else are on the team? So
• 27:29
  myself and Adam are the only full -time employees
• 27:30
  at the moment. We have been for the last year.
• 27:32
  And then we have a few part -timers. We have
• 27:34
  someone who helps us with filming. He's out in
• 27:36
  the Philippines. We have someone else in Australia,
• 27:38
  which is Suki. She does the majority of our writing
• 27:40
  on our website and our resources and books. Photographer,
• 27:43
  illustrator, and graphic designer. He's out in
• 27:46
  England. Social media manager. He's out in England
• 27:49
  as well. So we're mainly a group of volunteers.
• 27:53
  But in the last year, a few of us have managed
• 27:56
  to transition into full -time employment. Yeah.
• 27:58
  It is an interesting journey to be in faith -based
• 28:01
  ministry. 100%. 100%. Because you depend on others
• 28:05
  to have the call on their heart of God to support.
• 28:09
  And you wholly, wholly depend on God to give
• 28:14
  you the ideas, what's next. Because you don't
• 28:16
  want to be on a journey without him, right? Exactly.
• 28:20
  So, yeah, I empathize with the work that you
• 28:24
  do and I sit in awe. I'm really blessed by lineage
• 28:28
  and the media that you're sharing. Praise the
• 28:31
  Lord. Thank you. Do you have, I'm curious about
• 28:36
  demographics. That's the word I want. Demographics.
• 28:41
  Do you have an idea of the age you started trying
• 28:43
  to reach your late teens, 20 -somethings, right?
• 28:46
  Do you have an idea of the demographics you're
• 28:48
  reaching now? Yeah. We managed to hit that target.
• 28:51
  One thing that we've noticed over the years is...
• 28:54
  the short form content has got even shorter.
• 28:57
  So in a sense where, you know, when we first
• 29:00
  started, you know, five minutes was kind of the
• 29:02
  benchmark and then it kind of transitioned two,
• 29:05
  three minutes. And now, now you've got people
• 29:06
  for 15 seconds, you know, 15 seconds to a minute.
• 29:09
  So we're looking at that to try and reach that
• 29:11
  audience again, to get, to get it low on, on
• 29:13
  your TikTok, TikToks and your Instagrams and,
• 29:15
  and places like that. So, but based on our website
• 29:19
  analytics, we've managed to hit, Pretty much
• 29:24
  what we wanted to, which is probably the 17 to
• 29:27
  35 age category. It's really hard for us to give
• 29:31
  an exact number because churches are playing
• 29:33
  this every week in their churches. We got a message
• 29:36
  a couple of years ago that people are going through
• 29:39
  some of our resources in prisons. We have universities
• 29:43
  and schools who play them in their classrooms.
• 29:45
  That's both college. That's both doctorate. That's
• 29:48
  all the way down to academy, high school, elementary.
• 29:53
  is so broad um so we over the years we've started
• 29:56
  to try and narrow in on some of the resources
• 29:57
  that we're creating for some of those specific
• 29:59
  people um but yeah you know you can always do
• 30:01
  better to reach a younger audience so we're actively
• 30:04
  on a journey to try and do that but we're hitting
• 30:07
  a good amount of people in the 17 to 35 age You've
• 30:10
  touched on something that's meaningful to me,
• 30:11
  and I've looked at the camera and I've looked
• 30:13
  at our audience and I said, you know, when you
• 30:15
  give us feedback, when you text us, when you
• 30:18
  email us, that's meaningful to us. It truly is
• 30:20
  meaningful, isn't it? When you find out somebody's
• 30:24
  listening in prison or using materials in prison
• 30:26
  or in a home or whatever. It doesn't happen that
• 30:31
  often, but a few times a year somebody will text
• 30:33
  me a picture of themselves or a picture of their
• 30:35
  church screen where they're watching Mission
• 30:37
  Sunlight at the church. Man, that feels good
• 30:39
  to know that the resources, it isn't an arrogance
• 30:41
  thing. It just feels good to know it's being
• 30:43
  used. Yeah, exactly. Know that people value it
• 30:45
  and, excuse me, that they find it to be useful.
• 30:49
  Another thing. With Mission Sunlight Chat, we've
• 30:52
  been broadcasting for, I don't know when this
• 30:55
  one will air, but at this particular moment in
• 30:57
  history, as we record it, we've been on for almost
• 30:59
  two full years. August 1st, 2023 was our first
• 31:04
  episode. And when somebody says, hey, I've been
• 31:10
  watching, I've been running. And I've been listening
• 31:13
  or I've been watching while I've been working
• 31:15
  in my kitchen or whatever. And that's happened
• 31:17
  a few times. And it's just, you know, passing
• 31:18
  by when I'm visiting a church, speaking or whatever.
• 31:21
  Those kind of things are important to ministries
• 31:23
  like us. Donations are nice. Prayers are important.
• 31:28
  But to get a personal response, to know. It's
• 31:32
  doing something for someone. And just to echo
• 31:34
  that, it's almost like God always delivers that
• 31:36
  when you need it the most. Because, you know,
• 31:38
  in any line of ministry, sometimes you have discouraging
• 31:41
  days. Sometimes you have really good days. But
• 31:43
  I've often found when I've been at the most discouraged
• 31:45
  over something, something hasn't gone to plan,
• 31:47
  God will pop in that testimony from someone that
• 31:50
  says, hey, I watched all your videos and I was
• 31:52
  a Methodist and then I went into your series
• 31:54
  on Adventist history and then I ended up being
• 31:56
  baptized. So those kind of things, you're just
• 31:59
  like, wow, you know, thank you, Lord. I needed
• 32:01
  that. that right time forgive me for my discouragement
• 32:03
  you know uh not long ago i won't tell you how
• 32:07
  long ago but not long ago i was feeling okay
• 32:09
  is this is this making any difference to anybody
• 32:13
  and almost at that moment someone walked up to
• 32:18
  me and said i just finished watching four or
• 32:21
  five of the Mission Sunlight Chat episodes. And
• 32:23
  I'm like, what? I mean, I enjoyed the programs,
• 32:26
  but I don't know that I'd watch five. That's
• 32:28
  two and a half hours of watching straight through.
• 32:31
  That's somebody who's pretty committed to watching
• 32:33
  the program. And that's a blessing. I went, whoa,
• 32:36
  we need to keep doing this. Yeah, exactly. Praise
• 32:38
  the Lord. Felt better. Yeah. Clive, anything
• 32:41
  else you want to tell us about Lineage? I think
• 32:45
  we've covered a good amount there. How can they
• 32:48
  connect with you if they want to learn more?
• 32:49
  Yeah, if you want to learn more, you can either
• 32:50
  go to our YouTube channel, youtube .com forward
• 32:53
  slash Lineage Journey, at Lineage Journey on
• 32:54
  any of our social media platforms, Facebook,
• 32:56
  Instagram, YouTube. But if you really want to
• 33:00
  get in contact with us directly and explore some
• 33:02
  more of our resources, lineagejourney .com. We
• 33:05
  have a donate page there. We're a fully 501c3
• 33:08
  over in the U .S. now, which we haven't always
• 33:11
  been because we've been in England, but we are
• 33:13
  set up over here now, and we pretty much completely
• 33:16
  run on donations, so that really helps as well.
• 33:19
  But we'd just love to hear from you. How are
• 33:20
  the resources being used? Where are they being
• 33:22
  used? Send us a picture of your church or classroom
• 33:25
  or whoever is watching our resources because
• 33:26
  that always is helpful and encouragement to see
• 33:29
  how many people are actually able to engage with
• 33:30
  our stuff. Lineagejourney .com. We'll put that
• 33:33
  in the bio as well so people can find that, click
• 33:35
  on that, and go and connect with you and perhaps
• 33:38
  give a gift. Yeah. It'd be a blessing, wouldn't
• 33:40
  it? Yeah, blessing. Before we wrap up, would
• 33:41
  you share an encouraging word to our listeners
• 33:42
  and viewers? Yeah. There's a scripture that always
• 33:46
  comes to mind. Those who are faithful in little
• 33:48
  are faithful in much. It's Luke 16, verse 10.
• 33:51
  The reason I love this scripture is because Joseph
• 33:54
  is one of my favorite characters in the Bible.
• 33:56
  And as Joseph is going through his journey from
• 33:59
  being thrown in a pit to being a slave in Egypt
• 34:02
  to then being thrown in prison for something
• 34:04
  he actually didn't do, he was faithful to just
• 34:07
  trust in the word of God and trust in God and
• 34:09
  stay connected to him. And something that I love
• 34:14
  is that... He had to go through all those processes
• 34:17
  in order to be trained for greater usefulness.
• 34:20
  There's a quote by an inspired author that I
• 34:23
  love. And she says that he was being trained
• 34:25
  for greater usefulness. So even though you're
• 34:28
  discouraged and go through difficult times, be
• 34:30
  faithful in the little because Joseph had no
• 34:32
  idea that he was going to be second in command
• 34:34
  in Egypt. But he had to go through all that training
• 34:37
  so that God would allow him to be used for something
• 34:39
  greater. So I encourage everyone who's watching,
• 34:41
  who's going through difficulties, maybe just
• 34:43
  see that difficulty. training, that maybe God
• 34:45
  has something better planned for you and he needs
• 34:48
  you to go through this experience to train you
• 34:50
  to be better prepared for what's coming next.
• 34:53
  Clive, thank you for sharing that thought. It's
• 34:55
  encouraging to me. And thank you for being a
• 34:58
  brother in faith -based media ministry. Amen.
• 35:01
  Thank you. It's good to spend time with you and
• 35:03
  also with Adam and your family. It was nice meeting
• 35:05
  you and your kids. Yeah, my kids just popped
• 35:07
  up in front of here. If anybody's watching any
• 35:09
  of the other episodes from the general conference
• 35:11
  session here in the exhibit hall, we were sitting
• 35:13
  here one day with a guest. I don't remember who
• 35:14
  the guest was, but I'm sitting right here and
• 35:16
  up walks this little boy with a lineage journey
• 35:18
  card. And he says, here, come over and see our
• 35:21
  booth. And I realized it was one of your sons
• 35:24
  walking around to greet me. Kept my eye off him
• 35:26
  for a second. And he's a little evangelist. He's
• 35:28
  a soldier for the kingdom. Amen. Right, right,
• 35:31
  right. Jordan, before we close, would you mind
• 35:33
  wrapping us up in a word of prayer? Gladly. Let's
• 35:35
  have prayer. Heavenly Father, we thank you for
• 35:38
  ministries just like lineage. We thank you for
• 35:40
  lineage and telling the history of the church
• 35:42
  and what you do in. people's lives in the past,
• 35:47
  but it also shows us that you're working in our
• 35:49
  lives now because if you cared about the past,
• 35:51
  you care about us now. And I pray that you'll
• 35:53
  continue to bless them in their ministry and
• 35:55
  help us to see where you're working in our lives.
• 35:59
  Help us to look for those little things that
• 36:00
  you do for us and help us to be listening for
• 36:03
  the big things that you want us to do for you
• 36:05
  and be willing to move off of center so that
• 36:08
  we can achieve something for your kingdom. We
• 36:11
  pray this in your name. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank
• 36:14
  you, Jordan. Again. Thank you, Clive. And thank
• 36:16
  you to our audience who is participating by listening
• 36:19
  and watching. We are grateful to have you along
• 36:21
  with us on this journey, if I can say that. MissionSunlight
• 36:26
  .org is a place where you can learn more about
• 36:28
  us and you can click the donate button there.
• 36:30
  And I want to just invite you to click share
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  the program and encourage them to watch along
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  to this or any of the other programs that we
• 36:39
  have available for you. And finally, keep praying
• 36:42
  and know that we are praying for you. Thank you.
• 36:44
  Thank you. Thank you. That is our program. This
• 36:47
  is Mission Sunlight Chat. This has been a Beeson
• 36:51
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