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Adrianna Joins the Show! · Day Drinking With Dog

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to day Drinking with Dog. After another week off.
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  Speaker 1: It is fourth of July weekend. I got one more
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  Speaker 1: half day and then it's party time all weekend long.
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  Speaker 1: So today's episode, I bring on Adriana. How are you,
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  Speaker 1: Adriana Conine? He's called your farmer for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for coming and thanks for bringing up this topic
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  Speaker 1: that I never introduced really in my life over.
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  Speaker 2: The last couple of years. I just don't know why
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: It's based out of Massachusetts, where I'm from. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of cool with cops and and and corruption and death.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just crazy. So if you don't
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  Speaker 1: understand what I'm talking about, you read the shirt. It's
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  Speaker 1: the Karen Reid trial. And before we get into what
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  Speaker 1: happened a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Ago, two weeks ago, tonight we go today.
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  Speaker 1: This is fascinating and there's a few documentaries out there
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  Speaker 1: on it. You directed me to the one on Max, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: which was a Body in the Snow. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was well right, Yeah, So I kind of raced to
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  Speaker 1: catch up the last couple of nights and one of
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  Speaker 1: those things, like most documentaries, just sucked.
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  Speaker 3: Me in any way, yeah, I love a doctor.
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  Speaker 1: But this one really sucked me, and especially I knew
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  Speaker 1: I was going to be talking about it on my show.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to kind of give you the floor
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  Speaker 1: on like when you first really got into the story
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  Speaker 1: as it was moving along in the news and the
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  Speaker 1: local news of mass and it kind of trickled to
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  Speaker 1: a national news again, because I really I saw it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know for whatever reason it didn't. It didn't
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  Speaker 1: I didn't dive into it. So what what what attracted
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  Speaker 1: you to the whole story.
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  Speaker 3: So my best friend Nikki was from Massachusetts and she
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  Speaker 3: kind of heard about it way early on, and I
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  Speaker 3: think it was through Turtle Boy because Turtle Boy would
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  Speaker 3: do like a lot of Massachusetts type news, right, And
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  Speaker 3: she's like, you gotta follow this Karen Reid thing. They're
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  Speaker 3: going to be starting trial and this was for trial one.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I'll look
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  Speaker 3: into it. I'll look into it.
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  Speaker 4: And I was just busy and I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: So the trial had started and her and her husband
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  Speaker 3: just are bombarding me. They're like you need to just
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  Speaker 3: turn it on, and I was like okay. So I
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  Speaker 3: was watching recaps and then I was like oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: like I just I just dove in headfirst. I watched
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  Speaker 3: every single day of the first trial. I was on
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  Speaker 3: a lag because I started a few days behind. But
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  Speaker 3: when I knew that there was somebody like good who's
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  Speaker 3: going to be on the stand, I'd watched that day
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  Speaker 3: and it's entire to go back and ketch up on
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  Speaker 3: the other days. But I watched every single day of trial.
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  Speaker 1: How long your last one?
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  Speaker 3: That one lasted? I please seven or eight weeks. It
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  Speaker 3: was about the same as the second trial. So it
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  Speaker 3: was very, very involved in that, watching it every single day.
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  Speaker 3: When they came back with a hung jury, I was
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  Speaker 3: not surprised because in Massachusetts, or in this case in particular,
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  Speaker 3: there was no option for not guilty. There wasn't an
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  Speaker 3: option for it. It's like checkboxes for guilty, but it
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  Speaker 3: would be an absence of a check mark that would
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  Speaker 3: mean that you're not guilty. But the defense kind of
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  Speaker 3: switched up their strategy for the second trial, and they
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  Speaker 3: were the ones who wanted to add a charge. Wanted
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  Speaker 3: to add in OUI, which here would be like DUI.
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  Speaker 2: Operating on the ad yes.
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  Speaker 3: Because before it was incorporated in one of the charges,
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  Speaker 3: and they were getting hung up on the fact where
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  Speaker 3: it's like, well, we know she was under the influence,
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  Speaker 3: but did she kill him this? And that's what they
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  Speaker 3: were like, if we just let them say she's guilty
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  Speaker 3: of OUI and it's her first defense. Let her be
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  Speaker 3: guilty of that, but she's not guilty of the rest,
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  Speaker 3: which was smart. They still went back and forth about
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  Speaker 3: the verdict slip and how hard it was to read,
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  Speaker 3: and the jury of course had questions about it. The
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  Speaker 3: judge is horrendous, horrendous, corrupt as well. Connection to the
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  Speaker 3: family of the people who owned the house.
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  Speaker 1: They let that happen? I just and how do they
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  Speaker 1: not understand?
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  Speaker 3: Did you know about the connection the judge?
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't think I got that far, but I
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  Speaker 1: knew about the connection of pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Much everyone that was I'm not even sure if they
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  Speaker 3: bring it up in the documentary.
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  Speaker 1: What was the name of the cop that was the
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  Speaker 1: lead investigator?
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  Speaker 4: Proctor?
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  Speaker 1: Proctor my phone so he's the punch of Proctor.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you're really got.
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  Speaker 1: The thicker on the phone.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so obsessed.
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  Speaker 1: Did you buy that from like a vendor there?
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  Speaker 3: No, this is from micro so on YouTube. Micro Dots
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  Speaker 3: makes awesome videos using I mean police records, transcripts, even
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  Speaker 3: so far as like the real estate listing for the
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  Speaker 3: house to get like layout of the house, stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: So I bought it from their their website.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet you have a lot of ship No
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  Speaker 2: for read.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff, read stuff, I mean stuff that I make. I
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  Speaker 3: mean there's like little signs all over my house like
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  Speaker 3: free Karen.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so let's walk through the quickly. I don't
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to make a you know, four hour
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  Speaker 1: documentary into the talking points of the show. But basically
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  Speaker 1: the gist of it is they got they were all
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  Speaker 1: out together.
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  Speaker 2: They got drunk at a bar for a couple of bars,
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  Speaker 2: bar hopping. Did you see drinks?
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  Speaker 1: They watching it and I'm sitting there next to Nicole
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, this is like me
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  Speaker 1: and camp going out, like yeah, drinks nine and ten,
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  Speaker 1: drinks eleven and twelve. I'm like, Jesus chir I go, babe,
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  Speaker 1: you would have been passed out at drink six. So
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  Speaker 1: they bop around and they it's like one something in
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  Speaker 1: the morning.
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  Speaker 3: And so they went from one bar and Phil and
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  Speaker 3: I when we went up to Massachusetts, we did the
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  Speaker 3: whole tour. We went to thirty four Fairview where the
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  Speaker 3: incident occurred. We went to the two bars. See if
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  Speaker 3: McCarthy's was first waterfall. The waterfall is literally across the street,
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  Speaker 3: like on a diagonres. It's right there, very close. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: then they met up with some friends, they were friends
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  Speaker 3: at the time, and things kind of took a weird
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  Speaker 3: turn there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So it's it's a blizzard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why they're drinking so much. We don't have
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  Speaker 3: to work in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of those snow that seven season all the time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: of course, storm, blizzard storm.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, storm parties. Of course they're driving though.
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  Speaker 1: So they go to this house Fairview, and who owns
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  Speaker 1: the Fairview House the couple.
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  Speaker 3: That's Ryan and Nicole Albert.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so he's a cop.
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  Speaker 3: He's a retired Boston, retired Camp police officer.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna tell you he looks corrupt as fuck.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he just.
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  Speaker 3: Like that old Boston to say, don't judge a book
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  Speaker 3: by his cover.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I know it's fine once you hear him talk,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: So her side of the story is they pull in
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  Speaker 1: the driveway, he gets out of the car, they don't
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  Speaker 1: know who's there, and he goes up to the door
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  Speaker 1: and gets let in and then but never comes back
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  Speaker 1: for her, and she starts calling him.
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  Speaker 3: And now she gets pissed.
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  Speaker 1: They've been fighting all day too, like the text messages,
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  Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, they end up going out anyway,
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  Speaker 1: and now they're twelve thirteen drinks deep and anything could happen,
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  Speaker 1: and she's kind of a hot head and I think
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  Speaker 1: he is too, and they just clash. They probably shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: as long as they did. So she finally gives up
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  Speaker 1: after like ten minutes and goes back to his house.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, where his niece.
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  Speaker 1: Another sad story, right, he took care of his niece
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  Speaker 1: and nephew because their parents died like what six months
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  Speaker 1: apart or something. The Yeah, so his sister died and
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  Speaker 1: the husband died of a heart attack like six months later.
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  Speaker 3: So now, which was crazy because in this second trial,
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  Speaker 3: or maybe it would happen in the first trial too,
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  Speaker 3: they brought out through Procter's text messages that the father
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  Speaker 3: actually killed himself at the mother's grave site, Like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: that's not what they really overdose on drugs, gave himself
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  Speaker 3: a heart attack.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, got you got you. Wow.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So so anyway, so she gets there and she
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  Speaker 1: keeps calling him and then she's leaving like crazy messages
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  Speaker 1: and she just kind of passes out and wakes up
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  Speaker 1: at five, yeah, five in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: He's still not home. So now she's.
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  Speaker 1: Calling everyone relevant, everyone that was out that night, right.
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  Speaker 1: She ends up driving back to the house with the
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  Speaker 1: girl Susan. I think she.
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  Speaker 3: Drove over to McCay Jenn McCabe's house, met up with
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  Speaker 3: Carrie Roberts. They all decided to go back to John's
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  Speaker 3: house for whatever reason, which is one meadows.
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  Speaker 4: They go there to.
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  Speaker 3: See if maybe he did come home. Maybe he did
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  Speaker 3: come home and you didn't see he stumbled in somewhere,
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  Speaker 3: so they checked the house again. He's obviously not there.
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  Speaker 3: So then they go to thirty four fair View and.
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  Speaker 1: That's when so she claims she saw the body. No
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  Speaker 1: one else did. Yeah, well, I should say she claims
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  Speaker 1: she saw the body. They all claim I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how she knewere the body was there because it was
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  Speaker 1: dark and which you know, I guess makes sense, but whatever,
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  Speaker 1: And then she runs to him and claims that she
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  Speaker 1: was trying to get him CPR and she could hear
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  Speaker 1: gurgling in his you know, chest and stuff, and if
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  Speaker 1: that's true, he was probably aphyxiating and he died and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And now this is where the dashboard cam stuff really
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  Speaker 1: comes in because they called nine to one one the
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  Speaker 1: ambulances show up. And this is what's the first part
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  Speaker 1: of the trial that really kind of was like, wait,
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  Speaker 1: what the fuck? Because everyone claimed she was saying I
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  Speaker 1: hit him, I hit him, I hit him right to
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  Speaker 1: the police or the or the first responders. But the
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  Speaker 1: video is completely different.
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  Speaker 4: Right, she never says it in the video, and not
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  Speaker 4: only that, but.
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  Speaker 1: She's like he's dead, he's dead, he's dead.
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  Speaker 4: Or is he dead?
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  Speaker 1: Is he dead?
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  Speaker 3: But nothing about did I hit him? Could I hit him?
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  Speaker 3: Nothing about hitting him? Right? And if she did say
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  Speaker 3: that she hit him, you think someone would have put
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  Speaker 3: in a report, right, it's not in any report. No,
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't she have been taken in right away if that
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  Speaker 3: were the case. It just didn't happen. Shouldn't say it.
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  Speaker 1: And if you don't know about this story, here's where
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  Speaker 1: it gets really fucked up as far as crime scene
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  Speaker 1: collection of data, crime scene just in general. They literally
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  Speaker 1: bring like a leaf blower to the snow in the area,
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  Speaker 1: they collect the blood stains in snow, put them in
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  Speaker 1: solo cups, red solo cups, and put the red solo
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  Speaker 1: cups in a stop and shot bag. Yeah, I went.
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  Speaker 1: I took criminal justice in the University of Haven and
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  Speaker 1: that was I don't think any protocol ever. And they
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  Speaker 1: tried to claim, well, I mean, we had to do
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  Speaker 1: what we could do.
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  Speaker 2: It was a blizzard.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, all that shit's in your fucking car. Crime
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  Speaker 1: scene investigators have this shit in their car.
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  Speaker 3: Right and not only that, so they had to leave
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  Speaker 3: the scene to go get a leaf blower. If you
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  Speaker 3: look at Google Maps, the Camp police department is about
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  Speaker 3: a three minute from the house. So you drove to
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  Speaker 3: go get a leaf blower, but you didn't go drive
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  Speaker 3: to get proper stuff to collect the evidence you.
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  Speaker 1: Have, like the you know, the bags, the ziplocks, whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I can't get over when they had I think it
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  Speaker 3: was the sname Lieutenant Gallagher. I believe he was the
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  Speaker 3: one who did the leaf blower thing. So they're talking
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  Speaker 3: about the solo cups, like what did and he's all
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  Speaker 3: he could say is, you know they hold liquid terrifically.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, are you kidding, like I mean, do they do?
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  Speaker 1: But it's a great vessel for lick. Yeah. So now
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  Speaker 1: so again let's kind of speed through this a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: But now some of the other ship that was going
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  Speaker 1: on is if there was a timeline where now in
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  Speaker 1: court they they're reading that they found pieces of the
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  Speaker 1: cracked tail light that is the supposed when she hit
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  Speaker 1: him that killed him, gave him brain trauma, dog bites
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  Speaker 1: on his arm.
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  Speaker 3: All sorts of great why did they find that tail light?
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  Speaker 1: Right? So the tail light was when Proctor became the
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  Speaker 1: lead investigator, and Proctor as friends with the owner of
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  Speaker 1: the house.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, And all of a sudden they did like what
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  Speaker 2: they say, like.
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  Speaker 1: The convoy of people and they're all kind of and
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  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, oh found something.
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  Speaker 3: And then after they had gained custody of the suv
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  Speaker 3: before that they had gone through the yard, right, and
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  Speaker 3: they found nothing except for clear pieces.
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  Speaker 1: Now they dragged the suv to to the police station
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  Speaker 1: the barracks, and there's video.
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  Speaker 3: I love how they did this, but they inverted the video.
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  Speaker 2: So they inverted the video.
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  Speaker 1: I'm surprised they didn't notice it, Like I didn't notice it,
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  Speaker 1: but I wasn't really looking for it. But like you
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  Speaker 1: can clearly see the police spelled wrong on the car
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  Speaker 1: next to it, or backwards, I should say. And they
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  Speaker 1: the defence did a marvelous job of inverting the video
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  Speaker 1: that make it look like you're looking at the correct
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  Speaker 1: side of the car that should have.
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  Speaker 2: Hit them, and there's you know whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But then they flip it and you see a guy
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  Speaker 1: walking around to the I guess it's the passenger side, right,
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  Speaker 1: and he's just kind of standing at the tail light.
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  Speaker 1: You don't know what he's doing for a while for
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  Speaker 1: a while, so he's ripping off pieces or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever happened.
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  Speaker 1: And how does the police station not have like dual
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  Speaker 1: cameras in the garage? Just like one surveillance camera.
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  Speaker 3: They do, right, they show the other one right, was
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  Speaker 3: not working. There's also a forty five minute piece of
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  Speaker 3: tape that's mysteriously missing, as well as surveillance video from
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  Speaker 3: like the library, this and that all just missing, like
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  Speaker 3: two minute clips of when she would have been driving by.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And then you got, oh god, this mountain of
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  Speaker 1: defense evidence is getting kind of crazy. Now now you
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  Speaker 1: have the search engine in McCabe's phone at two twenty am.
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  Speaker 1: She searches on Google how long do you live in
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  Speaker 1: the cold?
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  Speaker 3: Or some has long to die in cold?
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  Speaker 2: Host long?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she meant to say how long to die
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  Speaker 1: in the cold, but hos and they took a while
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  Speaker 1: to bring it out, like they in the in the
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  Speaker 1: in the show, they actually ended the first episode. It
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  Speaker 1: is kind of a cliffhanger, they say, oh, this is
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  Speaker 1: what's in her Google shirts. Yeah, and then it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: until like the fourth episode when they bring it out
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  Speaker 1: in court. So she denies it, said she did it
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  Speaker 1: at six something am, which she did, and then they
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  Speaker 1: brought it a First of all, I learned a lot
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  Speaker 1: about holy shit, whatever you put in your phone, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter what you delete it. If you fuck up,
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  Speaker 1: the gray're gonna find it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So they actually found the fact that she not only
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  Speaker 1: typed it in at two twenty six am, but then
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  Speaker 1: she deleted it and then retyped it again at six
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  Speaker 1: twenty am. So why she type in at two twenty
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  Speaker 1: am when you know, obviously she knows that.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody knows where John's so.
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  Speaker 1: They already beat the fuck at him or the dog
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  Speaker 1: bit and whatever happened inside that house. But then they
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  Speaker 1: bring like dueling. This is nothing I hate about court
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  Speaker 1: is they pay these people for their opinions, right, just
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  Speaker 1: like with the animal people like one with the DNA
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  Speaker 1: and you know, so that's a little skeptical. But one
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  Speaker 1: guy was saying that, oh, sometimes if you if you
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  Speaker 1: safari something and you close it when you reopen it,
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  Speaker 1: that's going to pay the time. So I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like in the second trial they kind of
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  Speaker 3: went more into that. And I do believe that she
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  Speaker 3: searched for it in the morning. I do. I don't
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  Speaker 3: believe that it was done at two twenty seven. What
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  Speaker 3: happened was a window was open at that time. She
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  Speaker 3: used that same window to do the first search, so
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  Speaker 3: it was the last search in that timeframe, and then
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  Speaker 3: the next search.
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  Speaker 1: Was it because she.
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  Speaker 2: Was searching like a basketball tournament or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually I think she did it in the morning. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think she.
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  Speaker 1: Was thirty in the morning. No, Oh, interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I still think that she knew what was going on.
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  Speaker 3: And there's other things that point to the fact that
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  Speaker 3: she knew, like her nine to one one call, right,
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  Speaker 3: if you really listen to that, the nine to one
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  Speaker 3: one call that was picked up on John O'Keefe's voicemail
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  Speaker 3: because they found the phone out there, right, and you
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: can hear her making the nine one one call and
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: then calling somebody else and we know the other person
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: who she called, and it was her sister, the sister
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: who's in that bedroom who they said they couldn't hear
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: any commotion down there if you have a police officer
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: up there and he's not coming out of his house,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: dead man on your phone lawn saying oh you didn't.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: You didn't hear.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: You were heavy sleepers. You can hear. You can hear
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: from there. Well.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: In the first one, they also interviewed the husband and
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: he was like, wait, you're a retired cop. You have
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: all this activity at six in the morning, yep, and
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: you don't bother to go outside. And he was like, oh,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I was sleeping. Well when you woke up, did you
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: see what was going on? And he's like yeah, and
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: you still didn't walk bother to walk outside. And it's
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: your town where you were coping, right, or he might
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: have been a Boston He was a Boston, ye, and
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: he's he knows everyone that's out there.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Doesn't matter your first responder, what are you doing, he.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Said, oh, and then he's like, oh, it's too late.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: They've already gone.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: So I brought this up to you before. But Karen,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: the defense team, they hired a private investigatory.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: The people who own this house, which was owned in.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: That family for generations, like I think his father, like
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: his father's father maybe built it. Something like that, been
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: in the family for generations. They sell the house right
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: after this, sell it in a market that's booming, right,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: one hundred thousand dollars under asking They also will.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: We'll get to the dog.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they home their dog of seven years.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: So right after they right after the trial when they
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: were showing the bite marks what appeared to be bart
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: mark scratch marks on John o Key's arm, Like, there's
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: no way a fucking car did that on a quick bump,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: even if the tailight did crack on his arm.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: You just got to see the pictures.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: There's no way, right, like their claimants from a tail late,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: but you have no other care.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so like, can we take salva samples from your dog?
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And oh, I don't have the dog anymore? Oh why not?
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I re homed him.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Right, It's like do you yeah, do you have paperwork.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: No, but we know where she went. She's in New Hampshire.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Her name's Coorra. Now, no vet records, nothing.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean these guys are classic cover up artists
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: and this unlike you ever seen the mayor of Kingston
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: or Kingstown whatever it's with Jeremy Renner. Maybe he's not
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: a cop, but he works with the cops in like
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Minnesota or something. Really good show, highly recommend it. But
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: it's a show about like just fucking cops, just like
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: covering everything up. Yeah, and you could just again don't
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: judge a book by its cover, but like, look, you
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: got to see this guy. It's like, man, this guy's
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: been doing this ship. This is old hat for him.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: So when Canton specifically, how did you google anything else
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: about the case anything like that. No, So there's a
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: lot of corruption in Canton. Yeah, so when like like.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Recorded corruption like oh yeah, yeah documented.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: So there's i mean in Canton alone, there was another
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: dead guy found on the lawn just two years prior
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: to this, a laon on the same street that John
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: O'Keefe lives on. Okay that they they didn't find the
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: body for Okay, there's that. There's the Sandra Birchmore case.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: She was h She was a young woman when she
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: was killed. But she started off in the one of
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: those Plase Explore programs where you do like the ride
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: alongs and the police cars. She was groomed by the
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: police department, got pregnant, and then they staged her stage
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: it to look like a suicide, but the medical examiner
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: determined that she had been strangled. Oh my god, same
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: police department, same characters, and the same person who did
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: the cell phone extract and extraction in the Karen Reid
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: case was the same person who couldn't find seventy eight
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: thousand text messages between Sandra Birchmore and the police officer involved.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Hmm yeah, oh my camera just went whack. To do
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: hold that one second, son, Why it does that? Why
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: would you do that? So what just dawned on me is.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: So who was the guy she was texting?
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Brian Higgins.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Brian Higgins. So he was an ATF agent, correct, So.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Buddies, Brian Albert had to in the camp police department.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: So one of the craziest things I've ever seen in
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: this trial is they made him read the text messages
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: between the two of them off the like the television
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: screen or whatever. The screen. Yeah, and it was crazy,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: and I would admit I think she initiated everything he
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: tried to. I think he tried to push back a
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: little bit, but he wasn't completely innocent in the.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: In the back and forth.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: But what if you know, John O'Keeffe maybe caught wind
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: of this, went in. There was Higgins there that night
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: at the house. He was right, Sorry again, I just
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: just watched it. So he's there, John O'Keefe walks in.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Higgins knows she's in the car because John probably says it.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe they get in the little war words they all know,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: shit against each other because because they're sore up the department.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: So maybe John says something like, oh well, I'll fucking
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: nail you to the wall against whatever whatever case. Maybe
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the case you're talking a.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Do you see the video footage of them leaving the waterfall,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: the last bar they were at, probably so there's video
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: footage of Higgins motioning to John like he's gonna buck
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: you up, and him being held back by I believe
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Kevin Albert Albert Bright.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I didn't see that yet.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: And then they're telling him not just go, just go,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: And then Higgins text, John says, you coming here.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: It's like, was this on the second trial the first trial?
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Don't I only had one episode left.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: The footage hasn't changed. I believe they showed it in both.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: They definitely showed it in the second.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't see that.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Like I said, the documentary barely scratch the surface also
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: didn't get into John's Apple health data that show that
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: he took eighty seven steps, did flights of stairs? Like,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: you're not doing that in a car, you walked into
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: the house, you know, like there's all of this stuff.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: They don't bring up any of that. And then in
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: the second trial they tried to say, oh no, the
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: flights of stairs were actually driving up hills. Yeah, like
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Phil and I did that drive Yeah, flat, completely flat.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: But it's still gonna GEO locate you too, like steps
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: that are like this or gradual on a road where
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: you're driving a long way, right, you know, I don't know,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not a forensic whatever with the phone.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: But all right, so when you first sat down here,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I said, you know, I think she's innocent, but you're
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: you're you're giving me even more evidence than like the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: al I know it's such a cover up, all right.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: So I kind of finished the documentary. I didn't really
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: see the last episode, but I think it was more
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: about the verdict, which was a hung jury, right, yeah, but.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: But not really, which is funny because the judge, who
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: was openly biased.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Right biased bev the caller, So.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: They never pulled the jury. Generally, if you have a
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: hung jury, they pulled the jury, right, what were you
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: hung on? Right? So they unanimously found her not guilty
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: of murder, not guilty of manslaughter, But they were hung
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: up on the what they had combined as like another.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Manslaughter under the.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Influence of alcohol, because it was combined, right, And they
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: were hung up on that because of the dui aspect,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: And then they didn't know that they could just be
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: if I don't know what they what they thought. There
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: wasn't a whole lot of direction. The judge refused to
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: give direction. So they were hung but they weren't really
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: hung on the top two charges that mattered.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: They could have given her a dui or whatever.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: I mean so much so that a juror from that
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: first trial who was a lawyer and joined her defense team.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Really a juror, Yes, that's crazy. Yeah, but like, uh,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: just look at the ditty trial, right, and we'll talk
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: about that in a couple of minutes. But like there
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: was they were what I think they were. They agreed
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: on like three things and the fucking judge went in there.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: It's like, yo, I don't care how long it takes
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: figure this shit out. Gave direction.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Trials are expensive, right, yeah, yeah, but these fucking I
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: guess Diddy's got all the money in the world, are
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: used to But like, you're right, like, why why would
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: the judge not.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why you can't be Why do you
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: have to be? Is that in Massachusetts you have to
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: be unanimous in all counts? Or can you be you know,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: not guilty of murder, not guilty of manslaughter, or not
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: give you vehicular homicide. But we're going to give you
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: a duy.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Like if you're given the option, right, they weren't give.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: So they were saying, you have to she has to
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: be innocent on everything, or it's a hung jury.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: That's weird.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Well that's what they were under the impression of. But
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: it was because there was no box right to check
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: guilty not guilty.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: It was Oh so it was one or the other
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: on everything straight down the line. Correct, No, yes, no
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to that, yes to that?
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Gotcha?
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: All right, so floors your again, yours again? So now
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: we're a trial to trial. You're all in. You probably
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: took all every day off from work. You No, I did.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Tell Lauren work. I was like, I don't know how
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I'm holding down a job right now. I'm exhausted, Like
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I'm working and then I'm watching this trial.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: All day my phone on my computer.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like just constantly, I tell the kids,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm in court right now, I'm in court.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Talking before we go on. If you don't really know
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: this case and you haven't seen any antv, it was
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: like a rock concert every night outside the courthouse. I
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Mean there was just fucking hundreds and hundreds of people
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: not probably say ninety percent for her, campercent against her,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: you know, because again, at the end of the day,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: there's there's a dead guy here, you know, and he
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: seems to be forgotten in this whole story, especially if
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: he was murdered in that house and dragged outside of.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: The Supporters were all about justice for John O'Keefe, right right,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: But in order to get justice for John hur R, right,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: you're going after the wrong person. So last or it
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: was two weeks ago on Tuesday. It was during jury
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: deliberations and that's when they came back to the judge
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: with like four questions and I knew that by Wednesday.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: I was like, they have their the answers to these questions.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I know that Wednesday we're going to get a verdict
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: and I have I'm off. So I said to mysel,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I was like, it's like, what are your plans tomorrow?
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: And I was really just asking him to be like, hey,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: can you man the kids. I'll go by myself. I'll
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: go up there right And he's like, what do you mean,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Like you've dragged us all into this, like get the hotel,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: we're going about it.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Phil, I don't know anything.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, we literally dragged everybody into this. I'm He's like,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: we're going. So we drove up there that night Wednesday morning,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: we were there in person with the kids with our signs.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: We didn't know so I knew that there was a
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: buffer zone, but I didn't know the rules of the
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: buffer zone where you couldn't have like I have.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Her on my shirt.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I can't do that right outside, right, we had.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: A free Karen Reid. We couldn't have that, but we
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: could have our sign that said SUVs don't bite.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: We could have that.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: It just couldn't say her name or anything.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, picture, but we were there.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: That's kind of weird too, because the jurors aren't out there.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: They're not walking in through the fucking streets, not through
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the front. Oh, they're coming around back right.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: It was mostly supposed to be for like respect for
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: the John o Keyes family.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, fair enough, so you guys are up there,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: so we're up there. Fucking It was a nice day,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: wasn't it.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: It was like it rained a little bit, but then
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: it cleared up the rest of the day. But yeah,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: I knew that the verdict was going to come in,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: and sure enough it did. They I mean, first it
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: was weird because we got noticed that they had a verdict,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: and then it was like, no, they changed their mind,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: they don't have a verdict. Were like, is this going
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: to be hung? Like what is going on anyway?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: But then it was like fifteen minutes later and they
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: were like no, they had a verdict, and everybody erupted,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: like it was, and when she came out, she made
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: nobody there could hear what she said.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: It's like you have to hear it on the TV after,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: but she.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Said, nobody's fought harder for justice for John O'Keefe than
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: I have and my team has. And when I heard that,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I was like, people are going to take this the
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: wrong way, but it's true, like her team are the
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: only people who've really done an investigation because the police department.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Can play lawyers were from the documentary they were yes.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: And then oh my god, season two that's what I
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: call trial too. They had Bob Alessie. Bob Alessie is
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: a rock star. He is just an incredible, amazing attorney
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: and he was the person who was in charge of
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: dealing with all the experts, so he became like an
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: expert in every one of their fields too, and just
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: schooled all of them and it was beautiful to watch.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: So was this trial a lot quicker than the first one?
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: Same amount of time but no so different direction.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: So in the first trial they were arguing third party culprit,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: implicating that it could have been Brian Higgins, it could
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: have been Brian Albert, could have been Colin Albert, who
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: was the nephew of Brian Albert, who everybody denied being
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: at the house. Coincidentally, in trial to they weren't even
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: allowed to bring up Colin Albert's name, like the judge
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: ruled on that you're not even allowed to bring up
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: his name. Also, coincidentally, Colin Albert's father back in the
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: nineties killed a man drunk driving, only had to serve
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: six months and his attorney was Judge Cononi's brother, the
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: judge on this trial. Another fun fact, I know, just
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: like crazy crazy corruption. So for this trial, instead of
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: doing third party culprit they were just All they argued
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: was that they did what's called a Boden defense, which
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: means that basically the investigation was so horrible and poorly
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: executed that there's no way to determine who really did this,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: what really happened. And they mostly argued that a collision
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: did not happen, and if a collision did not happened,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: then you don't have any of these charges.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: And that's exactly what they did.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: They had their experts up there, I mean, even the
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: medical examiner, it's not a homicide, and they actually got
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: out of her although it was objected to, but she
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: said there was.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not a vehicular homicide, right, They had her
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: murder I'm saying.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: But he still could have been murdered, just not by.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Her, correct right, but nothing with not not with a vehicle.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: He was not hip.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: They never went in the house, they never walked around back.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, they searched that front area where his body was.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: They didn't really question anybody because they all knew each other.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: They had Jen McCabe saying she said she hit him
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: right right.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: They all said that.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: They all said that, yeah, every girl, every every person.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: On that panel. And then they brought that was it
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: a niece or a like, brought her out last minute.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: There was a girl I don't know if she was
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: at the house, and no one knew, and then all
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: of a sudden she said, oh, I was there and
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: I saw I thought I saw a body or something
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: that was.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I believe it was Julie Nagel, which if you want
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: to get into like conspiracies of the case, there's a
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: whole other aspect there because she asked her brother, who
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: actually her brother and his girlfriend were a huge part
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: of both trials because they both said they saw Karen
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: there waiting outside the house. Her dome lay on in
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: the car so you can see in the car. John
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: was not in the car. John was not on the lawn.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: John had to be in the house, right. But they
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: were called there to pick up Julie Nagel, the little sister.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, And for whatever reason, she didn't
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: go with them, right, So then people are saying, was
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: he actually not.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: Picking her up?
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Was he actually dropping stuff off?
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: There's been rumors of drug activity kind of stuff like that.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Who knows who I am in a house and a
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: blizzard whatever, I don't judge, And you're.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: Not going with your brother who's going to bring you home?
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: So when we were talking before the show, I was
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: expressing how I felt its kind of weird that they
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: do this whole documentary as a case is ongoing, like
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: really digging into the behind the scenes of what the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: lawyers are talking about in the war room and interviewing
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: her endlessly. Obviously it can't affect that trial, but do
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you think that, I mean, come on, we all live
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: in the day and age and it's a small town.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: Like it did affect the second trial.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean yeah, Like, I mean, prosecution.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Used selective clips from that documentary out of context, right,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: and presented it to the jury, right. And there was
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: a meme going around that was like, imagine, you know,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: using these clips in the trial and then having the
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: jury come back and even ask if they are it
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: can be considered as evident. It's like, that's exactly what
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: they did. They didn't even know if that could be
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: considered evidence, right.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: But I just I just don't, I just I don't.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I just don't agree with it.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Like so, I didn't know anything.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I knew where you stood.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: So when I watched it, I was like, this could
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: like I know, it couldn't affect that trial. I'm like,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: this could really. I I'm sorry. I never saw her
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: grieve in any of it. Besides maybe that first initial
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: in the snow is you know, is he dead? Is
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: he dead? Like that kind of thing, Oh my god.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Other than that, she I felt she was just playing
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: through the cameras in these things. She was you know,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: there's countless time she's doing her hair and do I
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: look pretty today? And the curls and all that stuff,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, I already know, I already
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: knew there was a second trial, so I was like whatever,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: but like, man, like this could really hurt her.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: If this gets out and there's a second trial, Like.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, I agreed that the documentary wasn't a
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: great look. It wasn't a great look. And I think
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: that she was desperate. I mean, she sold her house.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: She she's like a way to pay for like get
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: recoup something, right, and then she has this whole second trial.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: She does have like she had to go fundme and
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: stuff like that. Her lawyers were working for free for
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: the second trial.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: It's pressed for them well, and they.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Also believed in her innocence.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: And I mean when you hear about like the actual
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: facts that there's you have a man who's supposedly hit
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: by a car and there's no impact point of impact,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: there's no broken bones, there's no bruises, they're like all
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: you have are animal attack wounds on the arm. And coincidentally,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: the homeowners rehome their dollars.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: And there's also video of her in the or the
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: door dash camera whatever, of her backing into his car
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: very slightly. She had a crack in it probably and
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: that's when they took that crack and ripped it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did, right, And then you have this gash
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: in the back of his head and you're saying that
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: you got that from falling on grass frozen grass.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: How dog and dog Dog Dog attacked and they told
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: to get them because they needed leverage, and then they
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: fucking clocked them over the head and they just threw
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: them out out to die.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many theories.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: And his buddy that looks like Louis c k you know,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: which went on talking about from the first Yes, yes,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like like I feel like that's the
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: only guy they could find outside of like they didn't
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: really interview any of the defense I mean.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: On the ex girlfriend.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like, this guy is like like he
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: he ended the last I think it was the fourth
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: episode before the Verdict one, and he ended by like, well,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: you know what warms my heart is that what I
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: think happened is that when he was left in the snow,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: he died of asphyxia and you get really cold, but
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: then you start to warm up and you fade away
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: or whatever it was hypothermia.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but he didn't happen Like that's your take,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: So it comes out more so in trial too, like,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: there wasn't hypothermia. Do you need another Yeah, he didn't
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: have hypothermia. His body was cold. It should have been
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: colder if it had been out there all night.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: It was cold. But that also happens.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: As a body dies and then being out there, even
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: if it's for an hour or two, you know it'll
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: become hypothermic. But he didn't have the typical signs like
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: wiznooski spots they call it on or again. Oh yeah,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: like he did not. He did not have hypothermia. He
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: didn't have frostbite. You're out there all night in a blizzard,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: you don't have frostbite.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: He was he was moved there.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: And then you have the plow driver who knows the house,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: knows the people that lives there, gave him a courtesy
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: because first time there doesn't seep anything on the lawn,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: there's no car. Second time he does see a car
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: parked right by the flagpole where the body was found.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: It's like, obviously he was moved there.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you see the overhead shot of it,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, wait a second, she pulled into.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: The driveway, she pulled up to the side of you.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Said, you pulled in, and she backed out.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, and then she was on the side of okay,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: and the yard is not big.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: We drove to the house.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks bigger than it's not.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: I'll show you a picture of it.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: It's so.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: It's I mean, they got it one hundred thousand dollars
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: under asking.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Care this annoying me?
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Mm so like it's a short. I mean we were
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: driving by and I got so nervous, like that's the house.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, alright, sorry my camera. I don't what the
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: fuck's going on with anything. I think if I waved
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: my hand and goes.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Whooh, I love they have Tony g there.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well he was on a couple of Yeah yeah,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: up for re election this year against uh Rich Smith.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Whatever, what else do I have on this one? All right?
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: So she's innocent, innocent?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, she's she was quitted whatever, blah blah blah. Where
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: do you think she goes from here? She's gonna be
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: like one of these fucking reality show celebs.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: She did just sign a movie that was coming right
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: at twelve years Twelve.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Days later, she signed a movie deal.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Her and Jackson Yanetti and Lessie so Liza little is
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: like with Jackson, so maybe she's part of like the
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: movie deal, book deal.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: And then Yanetti and.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Alessi, I believe, are starting their own podcast and they've
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: been doing interviews on other podcasts that have been fascinating.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Are they going to go after any of these people?
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Their job is done as the defense, right.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm talking about got involved.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: The FBI was involved, yeah, prior to trial one.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Even I think at this point the only way you
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: could really go after him because there's no evidence left really,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I mean against those guys, is there.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, they moved out of the house.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: The dog isn't fucking probably dead by now, probably buried somewhere.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Interviews that I was watching with Yanetti and LSSI, they
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: were bringing up Some asked them like what was the
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: most frustrating part of the trial for you, and they
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: were like not being able to present evidence that proved
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: that John O'Keefe was inside thirty four fair of you, right,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: And so everybody's like, well, what is that evidence? And
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: we're trying to put together, well, what wasn't presented, what
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: could it be presented?
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: What was objected to?
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: And all that I can come up with is that
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: his socks were not presented as evidence, but they are
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: in the photos of everything. They were not presented, They
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: were not tested, or they could have been tested, but
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: it wasn't presented as evidence. So was their dog hare on.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: There were their carpet fibers. And speaking of carpet fibers,
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: they also ripped up the basement floor to that carpet.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: The defense team, their private investigator has that carpet.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: So I don't know, I.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Think it's gonna be here. They're going to just need
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: another smoking gun. They're gonna need some one of these
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: people that was at the house, just I.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Don't know when that nobody's fought harder for John O'Keeffe
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: than she has and our team has. I think that's
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: what she was alluding to. And I hope that the
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: FBI does get involved. And it was like, you guys
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: drop the ball severely, and.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Even though even.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: If you can connect him into being in the house, Okay,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: then who did it?
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: Was it Brian? Was it Brian Albert?
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Brian Higgins was a Colin Albert? Who was it?
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: I but people have been saying that it was.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Colin Colin who.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Bowles?
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Okay, so he used to live next door to John O'Keeffe,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: and they had a nickname for John O'Keeffe, which was
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: never Cracker, like the grumpy old man, like the grumpy neighbor.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: And he would, you know, change words with him, throw
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: beer cans on his lawn and stuff. And I think
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: that Colin was involved in some shady activity that would
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: bring sketchy characters to where John O'Keeffe lived, and so
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: he never got along with him. I don't know if
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: that meant that Colin just joined in like extra motivation
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: or whatever, but there was a connection there.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: So there's a few guys in that house that hated you.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Did you see the pictures of Colin Albert's knuckles after
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: this day, they're all bloody and he said, oh, he
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: fell on the ice slippery. I don't know.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I was the butt dial party.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: How you fall just on your knuckles?
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I without the butt dial thing.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: We didn't mention that.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Dials back and forth all night, all night long.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: They just kept it in this in each it was
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: like twenty seconds or twenty two seconds or whatever it was.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: And they're just like, oh, yeah, I butt dialed, I
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: butt dialed, I butt dialed.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, butt dialed two.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: And then she's like, oh, I butt dialed too, butt
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: dial Yeah, we were having sex.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I butt dialed had your phone, the.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Phone and the iPhone. Her butt dialed with an iPhone
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I have.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: But like, it's what, it's not really even a butt dial.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: It's just no, no, it's more like I just put
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: my phone in my pocket after it was on, you know,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: and I like, I don't.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Know, but weren't over And then they're answered. It shows that.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: They're answering, and they're answering.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: No, it's ridiculous, it's.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: And it's crazy how like they all like no one's
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure people saw through it. We saw
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: through it, but like none of the jurors. Well I
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: guess someone did. But like just I would have laughed.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: As a juror, i'd feel like, you're kidding me. This
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: is your defense. But dialing, I could say, one, Okay, yeah,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I accidentally called him. I was banging my wife, all right,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well he did call me and I accidentally
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: called him back, and then I accidentally called him back about.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: So having watched.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: That'll be my defense.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I butt dialed trial too.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: One. They didn't call the lead investigator. They did not
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: call Proctor. Two, they didn't call the homeowner. Three, they
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: did not call Brian Higgins. Right, so these people were
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: never seen by this jury. And having seen and heard
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: from Brian Higgins in trial one, he basically didn't I
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: think he said it was a butt dial too, or
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: like he doesn't know how the phone picked up or
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: was answered. But then in trial too we see video
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: footage that they didn't have before at the Kenton Police
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: Department of him on the phone, right, So it's like
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: you were lying. Then we're not hearing from you this trial.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and you're not allowed to really like are
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: you allowed to bring in information from the first trial
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: or has to all be fresh information?
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: They weren't even allowed to mention that there was a
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: previous trial.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: How the fuck did the jurors not know that.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: They couldn't know anything about the case.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: So then how was that then?
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: How was that info allowed from the documentary? What do
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: you mean you said that they took some information?
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Right, so you have to find people who have not
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: seen this documentary.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: No, I know that, but like that's I know it's
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: not part of the trial, but like it's her talking
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: about the trial. Well, I didn't see what they what
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: they introduced from that, those clips but all.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Introduced into evidence for this trial, where clips of her
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: saying how much he drank? Clips of her questioning could
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: I have hit him?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Didn't like, you know what? You know what? You know what?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I don't. The one thing I don't believe about her
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: is she said she never blacks out.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Ever, absolutely blackout.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Shut up. I say, literally they could like so Nicole
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: looks to me, She's like, how do they know how
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: many drinks she had? I said, babe, we can follow
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: one person around a stone bridge and the five different
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: bars and see how much they drink.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: It's not hard.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: And then she was talking.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: About the double she had, the double and then the shots,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: like it just didn't.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: Taste like any alcohol. I'm like, that's like red flag
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: number one. Right as a bartender, it's like, oh, you
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: say it's weak, like red flag number one.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Like I'm like, oh, man, I go, this girl is
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: like one of us.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Though, I'm like, so then people are alne are like
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: it seems like everybody in this town is drunk. So
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: then even like so the police chief, I think hit
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: a guy with her car. The another person in proctor,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: I think left their gun in the car, were drinking
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: on the job, like just stuff like that all all
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: the time. And then of course that was just their
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: everyday activity. They're just getting bombed and whatever. And people
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: online are like, is that just a Massachusetts thing? And
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking it was a snowstorm coming.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: I'm like, is it just a Northeast thing?
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Like you can't Maybe I don't know, but I'm like,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: to me, I was looking, I wasn't shocked by any
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: I was like, pretty typical was.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Going on one night? You know, yeah, she would would
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: drink me though I would have been that. There's no
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: way I would be driving to someone's house at one
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: thirty in the morning at this stage of my life. No,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I'm going vome at ten o'clock. But hey, cheers to
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Karen Reid and her uh free, she's free. She's probably
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: gonna be a millionaire now.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: She datable.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Because a lot came out about her, her temper, her
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: drinking habits. Actually, did anything say if she didn't drink
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: at all during the trial or no, she drank during
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: the trial, she did, Okay, I didn't know. I don't know.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe she just like gave it up because this is
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: because her head was so foggy about what happened.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Maybe people blew up over this picture of her and
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: her attorney Jackson at Whole Foods, and I guess in
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Massachusetts they sell like yeah, and there's two bottles of
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: grey Goose like and there's stuff. I'm like yeah. And
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: then they when Jackson was practicing, like his closing arguments,
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: sort's like a full bar set up.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: I'm like, good for that, you know.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's stick in trial number two and
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: then we'll go to trial number three. Trial number two,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: we're talking about no, no, no, different subject with don't cared.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: So I you know, I started following the beginning. I
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: just knew it would be so fucking long and it
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: would just be just I don't know, just no interest.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: And I knew he'd get off. I just knew it.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: He's got too much money, he's got too much knowledge
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: on people, too much dirt on people. Just some of
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: the names involved, Like just even if there's side names
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: like Lebron James and fucking all these people, there's no
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: way he's going to because if he does, he's just
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: gonna fucking.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: Start, and I don't even think that.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I don't think it had to do with
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: that either. I couple that with the fact that I
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: think the prosecution had a fucking awful case against them.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: They were going for like Rico and ship and you
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: know they were showing like him beating up his girlfriend. Well,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: what does that have to do with racketeering and ship?
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, like, yeah, it puts him in a bad light,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: But where's the I read like week two, I was
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: reading that right, yeah, yeah, that's not on there, and
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: some people were I was reading on New York posts.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: They were like, listen, if this is the direction they're going,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: they're not going to win this case, they're going they're
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: they're they're going for the wrong charges. Yeah, you know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: you want to try to expose a sex trafficking ring,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: you know, with with underage kids, All right, well fucking
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: wait a year, dig up, get more evidence, frecking.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: But they didn't have that either. Could they have gotten it,
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah maybe, But I.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Didn't watch enough of the case to see if they
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: did a good job or not.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I just didn't watch it.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: But yesterday watch it.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: It wasn't telling the I mean like people and.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: It was just like a lot of it.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: It came out last night that like there they were,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: they three of the five they ruled on.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: I don't want to choot my own horn, but I
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: called it. I was like I people to ask me,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: do you think he's guilty not guilty? I would say,
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: I think there he's going to be found not guilty,
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: but guilty of lesser charge. Yes, that's exactly what happened.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: He's not he's going to be there. The defenses are
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: saying any set him free, because what's he going to
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: get for prostitution?
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: You know what? It's two charges for transportation. Apparently the
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: max charge is ten years.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's he's not.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Going to get the max. He's already served what two, Yeah,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: something like that, so ten minus in five and then
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: you can get two and then time served and fucking
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: he ain't doing nothing. He's not doing nothing, but whatever,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: all right? Trial three is local.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: So the trial started with the crazy story is I
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: was actually, I haven't had jury duty in like twenty
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: five years.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: I'm so jealous how you got called and so jealous.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: The reason why is I knew everyone in the courthouse
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: and I kind of slipped through the cracks, thank you
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: very much. They're all retired now, so I can't get
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: anyone in trouble. But I uh so I was selected,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, fuck it, I'll.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: Just go so we I don't know ahead of time,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: like anything, right, No, I don't.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: So mine was not a Tuesday day. Monday. I was
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: just watching like Channel eight news and they said, oh,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: the jury selection has started in the trial of Raoul Valley. Yeah,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: and the murder of the high school kid. What's his name.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't want to like James McGrath.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: James McGrath. So I'm like, oh shit, and they're like, yeah,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: they selected four jury's or six jurors already. So looking
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: at I'm like, this has got to be it. Tomorrow.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Sure enough, I get there at eight in the morning
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and we're all sitting there. There's a good amount of
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: people in there, and the lady comes in and right
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: off the rip, she's like, just so you know, uh,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: this is a big case. It's a murder case. And
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, yep.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: I'm texting her like yep, this is it.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: So whatever. After a few hours, a couple hours, they
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: bring us into the courthouse and it's the courtroom and
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: it's you know, the kids sitting there, the kid that
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: murdered Jimmy, his lawyer, and then the two prosecutors and
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: then the mom sitting behind him.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: How many potential jurors were there?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: So probably twenty Okay, yes, really well, this was day
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: two of it, though. They were just gonna fucking have
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: all these jurors come in until they filled it. So
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: they'd selected four to sixth the day before, so I
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: think it was like twelve and two or three alternates
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: or whatever it would have been. So that the prosecutor
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: reads off, they're like, if you know any of these names,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: don't say anything, but just remember you know the name.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: And there was one.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: A kid I knew, I don't say names on her,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: a kid I knew, a cop I went to college with,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: another cop I went to college with, and there was
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: like another random name. And then when they started naming
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: all the kids that were going to take the stand,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't know them, but I knew like four last names.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's got to be their kid, their kid,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: their kids. So they ask everybody you know, if you can't.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: It's going to be at least a two week trial.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: If you can't take time off of work, raise your hand.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: If you know any of those names, raise your hand.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: But by so I did, and I knew you know
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: who I knew, and they were just like peace out right,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: which is I was like, good, I'm done for the day.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I've been off jury due for a while. But then
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I was like driving home, like what kind of cool
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: to be?
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: You know, I could be like all those movies I watched, and.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: I'm on like on the court circuit. I mean, I've
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: always kind of been on the court circuit, though I did.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: I went to school for criminal justice, just like you.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: I've always been really into court cases, like going back,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: I guess my first one that really got me, uh
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: into Connecticut cases was the Cheshire home invasion. Oh or
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: at the point where I drove to that stop and
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: shop where he found them, I drove to the house
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: where it happened.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Believed the dad and that that dude I remember.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I remember your father in law once told me he
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: saw him at a fundraiser and he seemed like the
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: happiest guy in married life. And I mean the circumstances.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: You believe there's no way these guys broke when they
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: break out of prison.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: No, they were like a halfway house.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah okay, so yeah, and.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Like are you implying like did he I feel like
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: they would have implicated this.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: How did they kill everybody and like burn the daughters
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: and then he survived?
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: Well, they had him in the basement.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: How do you leave a fucking survivor?
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Though I know, I know, I heavily questioned that when
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: I did. And I was in the courthouse when they
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: picked the last juror for the.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Commercer Jevski trial for that case.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: So I've been just like into court cases. Of course,
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: when they did the Casey Anthony thing all that, oh
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: yeah yeah. But more recently it's been Lori Valo Dabo,
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: the one who she was just like a wacky lady
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: and she defended herself. Very fun one to watch.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: If you're into it.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: But then Karen Rey Diddy Coburger did he Coburger guilt?
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Idaho? Yeah, parents were happy with that. They want him
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: to die and they replete right yep.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: But he admitted that he did it. Yeah, but he
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: admitted he was guilty.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But he's also the parents.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Should be part of that. The parents should be allowed.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: You know, we don't want to accept it.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: Well, he's gonna spun the rest of his life.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: He fucking cares. He should be dead.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: It's going to be.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: Worse to be alive, not having your freedom.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe he shaw shanks it and fucking digs his way
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: out and stop. No, he won't, and he's on some
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: beach in Mexico.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: You know that it's also cheaper for us to keep
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: them alive than it is to kill them.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: I guess depends how long they live. I would assume just.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: Overall, because the trials are so expensive, all well.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: The trial can't be part of the price. It is like,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: once he hits jail, he hits jail.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Keep him alive in jails not that expensive.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: They make it seem like it's more expensive than it is.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: It's got to be at least fucking sixty grand a
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: year minimum. I don't think so minimum.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know when I was in I mean, how
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: long ago now, But we learned.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah old year old, yeah, yeah, back when I was
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: at criminal justice. No, uh, well, let's get back to
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: this case real quick. So he took so the kid
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: that killed Jimmy took the stand the last couple of days,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: and I just saw this quick tidbit of uh. They
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: were interviewing him about did he you know, go.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: With it, come with it? Did he have a knife?
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: And you know, he did the whether you want him
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: call him crocodile tears or not, but he was crying
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: on the stand that he was afraid and all that,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: and and then the prosecutor asked him, uh, did you
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: stab Jimmy? And he goes, I didn't stab him. And
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: he goes like, wait a second, wait, you you had
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: You were the only one with a knife, right, And
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: he goes, yes, I was the only one on the knife.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: But you didn't stab Jimmy. He goes, no, I didn't
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: stab him.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: It's like, wait a second, what's the lawyer doing on
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: the others, what's it the fence lay' doing? Like, dude,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: you gotta either go full self defense. Yeah, and so, yeah,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I fucking stabbed them. But I was afraid for my
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: life right, like there's people jumping me. I was swinging
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: my arms around. I hit him in the heart. I'm sorry,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: and like.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: It's not it's not self defense if you're the only
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: one with a weapon, and you ask for that weapon.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: Going there, you're going there with an intent to either
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: seriously harm somebody or kill them, right, that is it.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: You're guilty.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they were at a party before, yes, and
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: then they yeah, what do you They were following these kids.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: All over there, like what are you doing?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: And then they claimed that he got upset because they
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: damaged the car that he was in. Not even his car,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: mind you, but I get it's your buddy's car.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: And they tried to fleet to Cuba. Remember that part
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: of the story. I thought it was just a Florida, Yeah,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Florida to get to Cuba, to get to Cube. They
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: got to Florida and they were trying to get to Cuba.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: I think something like that. But so that case is
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: going on a mill for a lot of murder, a
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: lot of murder mysteries going on. Oh man, this one's
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: local as local gets I love it all right, you
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: want to talk a little Trump. Yeah, So Trump's just winning.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: He's just winning, and the left is going crazy again.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: People get mad.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean even you know, he's upset some people
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: on the right. But you knew that was going to happen.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: So the bill passed, the Senate goes back to the House,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: it should pass'll probably some you know outliers in Congress.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: But uh wait, before you get into that, I will
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: tell you something. So I get my news from my
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: oldest son, Mylina, and he loves Trump loves them. So
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: when the Iran thing happened, he was like, Mom, I
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: heard that Trump's trying to put a golf course there. Sorry,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: got three holes?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: You started the first three holes? Yes, man, I read
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: that somewhere too.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: But uh yeah, so the big bill, uh well, they
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: want to change the name of it, Schumer. Uh two,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know too much about I'm not gonna lie.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: It's fucking a thousand. You know what's funny is the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: demos will come out and be like, oh, this fucking
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: will make you read all nine hundred and eighty pages
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: in Congress, I'm like, first of all, you guys do
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: the yeah, and you guys do the same ship Like
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: all the pills you guys introduced are just as long.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: So don't pretend like you're fucking like, oh, there's so
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: much to read it. Don't pretend or try to tell
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: me that none of the Republicans read it, and you
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: guys did fuck yourselves. Some key takeaways like that, Like so,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: I've researched the no tax on tips and the uh
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: no overtime. Unfortunately it's it's kind of short term and
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: and like a shit, there's like a cap on it,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: at least the tips. I think it's like the first
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: fifty thousand or something.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: For the next two week years, but starting in twenty six,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know then.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: What happens after the two years, I don't know.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, it could get extended. I don't know. Maybe
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: it could be like a trial run and see how
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: it goes. Even when he talked about it and Kamala
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: talked about it too, I just I just know, shit
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: like this takes fucking forever and it's never no one's
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: ever gonna come to agreement on anything.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: But the one thing that got me was the Medicaid thing.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: So the Dems, you're gonna you know, millions of people
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: are gonna be without Medicare and healthcare, and fuck just
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: to save a few bucks. Well, the bill is basically
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: wants anyone between the ages of eighteen and sixty four
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: that's able bodied and can work to work at least
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: twenty hours a week and they won't take it away, right,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Like is that too much to ask?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Like that's the direction we want our country to go in.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Actually, with all the remote work that's out there, now,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: what is your excuse?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Right? Fucking envelopes at home?
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Right, even if you do a remote job, they'll pay
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: for a computer for you to do the job that
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: they're asking you to do.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: What is your excuse?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: I don't get it, And you know it doesn't matter.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: All they're going to see is you know, cutting in
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: health insurance to people, and they're just not even to
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: read it or oh they'll probably read it and just
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: not even interpret it to what it is. And again
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know too much about it. Just it is
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: fucking big, and I just I too impatient.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: To go through it.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: I get very frustrated with people who are just lazy,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: who milk the system.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: And I feel like this is kind of, you know,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: trimming the fat.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I said, I got basically three jobs. You know I
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: got Stonebridge. I say, of course, you know, I get this.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: People say this is a job, Well, you know what,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: I make money off of this, so sure, why not?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: I don't have to do this? You don't have to
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: give away. Shit. I do a lot of contest, not
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: as much anymore, but I fucking donate to fucking everything.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not mad about it, but I do, you know, No,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: I love how you do that, you know. And I'm
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: always fucking, you know, putting golf turn that's putting my
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: signs up for a hundred bucks here, one hundred bucks there. Shit,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: AD's up. But whatever, I can't take it with you.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I fucking I'd love doing it. But I just hate
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: when people just, you know, try to try to tell
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: you differently.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: I know, you know, no dulls hater us all the time.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: So do you see the sinkhole in the United Kingdom today?
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: So this giant sinkhole in York, the City of York
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: opened up in the street and it's like this old
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: town and it fucking went way down on the ground
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: to whether there's like a cathedral that was like fifty
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: feet high underneath the fucking ground and they excavated it
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: all they say.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: It was like, wait, so when did this happened today?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I read it today. It happened today or yesterday? Yeah.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: So this goes back to one of my wacky conspiracy theories.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Literally so I'm I'm in my backyard, I'm building. Well
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: it's almost done, but I built a patio. So we
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: had a caboda and we were just digging up the
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: area where the things going to go. We had to
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: go down about sixteen inches or so, and we dug up. No, lie,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: one hundred bottles, old bottles from like the twenties and thirties.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: Did you save them?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: They're all saved, the ones that weren't broken. We saved
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: them all.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: Excuse me, because I told you we, Phil and I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: have all those bottles that were under Capital Theater.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was just kind of cool, you know.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: But I've always thought, like a lot of things I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: see is it's just over time, Like really, what's underneath this?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: And how the fuck? Like what kind of massive landslide
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: or of or biblical event do you need that? A
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: thirty to forty foot cathedral. It's like it's like perfect shape.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: It's like a Renaissance style just happens to be underneath
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: a local city in street.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: And it's never been written about.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: And they're saying this from the thirteenth cent tree. Okay, well,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: you know, not for nothing. That ain't that long ago
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: in the scheme of the fucking Earth, right, it's not
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: that long ago. So what happened, what happened? What was
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: buried there?
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: What was what?
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Whether were they hiding?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: They stopped talking about what was under the pyramids?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: You remember that.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because they were onto something and somebody got
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: shut up.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. It's crazy to think about what
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: do you think it is?
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Like I think that I think that civilizations are wiped out?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: Do you think faster? Do you think that it was purposeful?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: Do you like? What do you think?
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's United Kingdom.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: What the fuck's there?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: It's not They're not like in a mountain region with volcanoes,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: they are surrounded by water. Maybe they got flooded out.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: But then in other areas would happened to you.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: So in the United Kingdom and Scotland have history dating
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: back that far, you know, like the fourteen hundreds was
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: like fucking Braveheart or whatever, you know, right right mel Gibson,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: you know he was eight hundred years old back then.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just it's crazy, like how that.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, there could be a great explanation, but you know,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: I was watching Jurassic Park the other night, and I'm like,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: I don't Oh, these guys fucking ruled the world it
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: long ago, or is this just fucking.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: They all had feathers. They just they all had feathers.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just kind of fucking with us, you know.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: I've also, yeah, I've heard that that dinosaurs.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: Are actually not real.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think they are.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know enough to say yes, Okay.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Think about it. Right, Let's say in the sixties and
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: the fifties, archaeologists were finding bones, right.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: And.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Now we're in twenty twenty five, they have like fucking
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: how many species at dinosaurs? They know what the just
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: by digging up bones, they know what they ate, they
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: know how they hunted. Like if you watch the first
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: Drassic Park when he describes how the veloci raptors hunt
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: in like packs, in like threes, and they're gonna stare
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: at you in the middle of the two from the sides.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Like, how the fuck would you know that by digging
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: up their bones and they have a claw, Like, come on,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: it's storytelling, It's all it is.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: It is. You don't know anything.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: There's this guy in the Miami Hees names Tyler Hero,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: and he's facing a lot of backlash because he went
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: on a podcast and they asked him, you know what
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: is some conspiracy theories and he says he doesn't believe
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: in any history beyond that four nineteen fifty, and I
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: think everyone kind of took it the wrong way. So
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: people were like, oh, well, your grandparents didn't exist like that, Like, no,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: I think I took it the right way. What he
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: means is the fifties and the forties and all that
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: time was when like the school started indoctrinating you into
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: their way of telling you what to think. Right, So
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: I think what he was trying to explain, and maybe
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty might be a little too, maybe nineteen hundred
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: might be a little more feasible, right, But he's just
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: trying to say, like, I don't believe in anything you've
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: told me before nineteen fifty because because no one could
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: see it with her own eyes, it's all in books
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: and shit, you know.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: And it's like, now, what do you believe? Because AI
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: is crazy.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: I'll watch a video and I'll have to play it
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: back like wait a second, right, And then I got
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: to read the comments and for people to tell me
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: it's AI sometimes, you know, it's like it's fucking that's
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: where we're gonna be at.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: We're gonna be that in five years.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: I know that's coming.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Our next year for that matter.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: Right, it's kind of scared to think about.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: But some of the shit's finny. Like the big fat chick.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Do you see that off the diving board in the pool,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: like AI? Yeah, like like a really fucking fat lady
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: and she does like a fucking triple fucking flip into
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: the water and the whole water fucking explodes and the
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: roof comes clashing down like like that's pretty funny, you know.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: But like, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Were they Ai and Biden for a while just to
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: try to get by?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: I've heard that. I've heard that, and I kind of
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: believe thought, where is Biden right now?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think he was fucking alive during the last
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: two years anyway. I don't Yeah, I don't know. I
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, he signed like a movie deal
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: and a book deal, but I mean, what is he
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: gonna do? It was auto penning, Well that's what I'm saying.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: Did he No, he didn't, And aren't they saying that all?
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Like the pardons that he signed or auto signed or whatever.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: Aren't they not legitimate because now.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: They're trying to like say, hey, if he didn't really
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: sign them.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: The people.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, you see Trump with his fucking big pens
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: and everything.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one of those pens.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: One of those pens. Oh god, all right, let's let's
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: finish on my douche of the week. This is like
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: two weeks in a row. It's just it's getting out
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: of control. It's the w n B A again. I
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: probably could have been a little more religio original and
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: dug in some other stuff, but it's popped up last night.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark is the I believe the leading vote get
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: her in the w NBA for the All Star Game.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: She maybe Brittany, that's a man, but she does play.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: In the NBA.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a man.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: So they did that. They did a player vote and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: she finished ninth among guards amongst the players. So the
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: players hate her and the players bully her on the court.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: They try to fucking beat her up, basically, they really do.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: They shove her, they fucking pull her hair, they pull
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: her on the ground, and they just WNBA like, yeah,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: they'll call fouls and stuff, but they are not protecting
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: her like they would protect the Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: Lebron James, whatever. And this was just like a it's
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: just so petty at this point, because like, this girl
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: is their fucking golden tea. Like they have chartered flights
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: because of her, Their salaries have increased, not much, but
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: have a creased because of her. They're all getting endorsements,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: is where they're making the bulk of their money because
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: of her.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: She's selling out stadiums.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: She is, you know, getting season tickets for people when
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: she plays the Mohegan Sun.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: Forget it.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: It's like fucking three hundred dollars a ticket just to
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: get in. Like it's women, no offense to women, but
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: it's women's basketball. You never saw this anywhere. She gets
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: my eyes glued to a teen. I used to joke
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: about what was basketball all the time, but I'd watch
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: it for her. And no, not because she's white. It's
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: because she hits three pointers from the half court lines,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: because she could pass the ball and dribble and score
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: in the middle. And no, she's never won a championship yet,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: but it's her second year in the league, and they
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: I just think women are too caddy and bitchy to
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: fucking accept her and realize if you just shut your
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: mouth for two years and let her generate money for
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: your league. I always compared to Tiger Woods when it
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: came into the PGA. You know, there were probably white,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: racist guys that didn't want him in their little club.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: But when he started winning tournaments and realizing the crowds
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: that would show up and the attention, the league gout
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: and their purses went from five hundred thousand dollars to
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: five million dollars. Oh shit, now they're all all the
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: guys now are fucking multi millionaires. Minute they hit the
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: fucking PGA.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: And your duice of the week, then which one of them?
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: All of them?
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's kind of the league again.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: The league.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, well the league, yes, but more so this time
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: the every player but her, you know, the the girls,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: the angel Reeses of the world, the Britney grinders of
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: Get her out of there, are they? Was she kicked off?
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: No, well she was fucking in Russia, but we traded
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: her back for the fucking and.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: Then people are saying, yeah, and was she in a
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: men's prison lam.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: I mean there's so many videos of her, like she
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: never wears.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: A shirt, then she does breast one.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: No, no, it's insane. I mean they've been saying that,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: you know, for a long time.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: I mean there's there's so like I saw one the
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: other night that uh uh j Lo is a man
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: And there's some video she just put out and she's
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: like dancing for the video and she's flipping the video
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: off and there's like one scene where they slow down
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: and she's doing her legs and you just see this
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: a little white.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: Hey, I shut up, I know.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: See, I don't trust AI on that stuff. I don't
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: think is allowed to do penises and women.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: You don't put a bulge.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Michelle Obama Michael Michael.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: No, I love a conspiracy. I don't know if I see.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: No, I never saw that one.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: I mean that was that was something I saw the
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: other night.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: But yeah, what do you.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: One of your conspiracies.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, my favorite, my favorite conspiracy theory out there is
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: mattress firm.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: Oh that's money laundering.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: I thought there was something else with them too.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: It's like, how many people are out there buying new
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: mattresses and why are they all over the fucking place.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: It's money laundering, amounts of money. Yeah, how often are
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: you buying a new mattress? And mattress firms are everywhere?
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: Tell me about like it's money laundering?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: What about sleep the number they're everywhere.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: I don't see as many of those as I do.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: Mattress firms everywhere, not.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Like Jordan's furnitures everywhere. No, no, they're not everywhere in
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: New England.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: I'm down with it.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: I like it.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: I like that one because it got me thinking.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: I like pizza Gate.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, Pizzagate's a good one.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. People are so like people that don't want to
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: believe it, or like just like you're you're an idiot.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, would you guys just like read a little bit,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: just read.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: A little bit.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: There's just too much out there that would be too
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: coincidental to just ignore.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: All right, right right, I'm going back to you know, and.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: Then the Epstein Island stuff. I can't even get started
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: on that because I have some controversial views.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: What do you think about the Earth is a round
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: or flat?
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: I love the pause. I love the pause.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: I would say that I don't know.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: I will tell you that I I've been told all
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: my life that it is round, and I've been shown
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: things on a globe my whole life. But I've flown
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: on a plane and I'm pretty high up and I
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: don't see a curve. No, And that's the highest that
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: I've gone. So I can't tell you beyond that. So
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: I've done a lot of research on it. Unfortunately, it's
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: a it's a topic I don't have too many allies on,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: so I don't talk about it too much.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: We work with a bunch of people who are flatter earthers.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh So I don't get too much
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: into it because it is kind of a I think
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: it's a great example of how we can be taught
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: something at age one to the point where it's it's
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: it's been taught our whole life. So when you hear
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: something that's basically the opposite of that, you.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Just you just brush it off.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: Why do you think we've been taught up?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: I mean that the normal theory is that, you know,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: we are surrounded by Antarctica, that's the ice wall.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: Water is always level, So how can water.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Be on a globe? Science can't even science, Scientists can't
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: even like make their own sphere in a vacuum and
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: have water stick to it. I mean the common theory
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: is that, you know, there's there's stuff beyond that wall
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: which would give civilization like freedom. That's why governments all
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: block you know, there's that there's the Antarctica Treaty, and
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: it's the only treaty that like involves Russia, China, United States,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: you know, amongst all the other and they have warships
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: down there and they defend it. I mean, it's it's
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: it's crazy in theory, but so they think beyond the
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: ice wall is free land and and basically freedom, like no.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: One in this basically being like into this little area.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: And there's and I think there's a lot of technology
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: over there that we might get. Uh it's probably where
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: aliens come from. If there are aliens, they probably come
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: from beyond the ice wall.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a there's just there's a lot of theories.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: I don't really know what to believe, but I lean
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: towards flat earth is not a radical idea anymore.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's really.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: Not, because I mean when you ask me that, it's like, well,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: what is my proof? You know, I'd have to rely
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: on other people's sources and where those sources funded where,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: and then what does it really show you?
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's nuts, you know.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: It's one of those late night I'm on my phone
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: and my AirPods are in. I'm like, I have to
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: to it.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: And that's why I'll always say it is the Earth round.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, is the moon really you know, two hundred
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: and ninety thousand miles away, whatever it.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: Is, have we ever been to it?
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Right? Well, that's that's definitely no.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: And the sun is you know, ninety six million miles
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: away yet you know sometimes you can look up and
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: see clouds behind it. Kind of weird. Yeah, you know,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Like I know, you know, they all think it's you
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: know a lot of the flat earthers say it's made.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: They call a local sun.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: No, it's it's here, it's it's I mean, because I
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: always say, if we're ninety six million miles away, right,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: and I want to have a big thing that.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: I've been thinking about heavy You remember the lantern flies?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, where are they?
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, I killed a good deal, but I don't
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: think I could be the one to remember how they
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: told us to kill I know people would look at
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: me in horn.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: I was the news told me to kill them.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: They told me to kill them.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: They're gonna what was the reason behind it?
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: They were because it was an invasive species.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: It probably came from behind the ice wall, and they
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: were surveying us. They were from China, China, China with
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: even bugs.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I was killing all because it's
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: from China.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why do you call it the China IRUs because
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: it's from China.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: But oh man, I don't know. I love, I love
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: just I don't know. I'm fifty one. I like thinking
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: outside the box, and a lot of it like really
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: does make sense. But then I'll see stuff and I'm like,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: you know, how much could the CGI be? I mean,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: like there was I think like Universal Studios, right, they
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: have the globe. They actually had the globe as their
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: what do you call it, their like their logo, their
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: logo before there was actually a real picture of the
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: globe really, yeah, which is kind of weird, you know,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: stuff like that.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: When did we discover the Earth was round? That?
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I think maps before nineteen hundred, A lot
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: of people put it On what's his name, the oil
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: guy Rockefeller. Yeah, so before nineteen hundred or whatever around
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: that time, all the maps were basically flat earth maps.
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  Speaker 1: And then Rockefeller was the one that kind of created
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  Speaker 1: the whole school system things and the textbooks and all that.
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  Speaker 4: And because you don't look any further than this is
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  Speaker 4: all you have, right, so.
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  Speaker 1: The Rockefeller probably knew he was one of the I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if there's Rockefeller still is one of the top five
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: richest families in the world, right, you know, you just
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: don't hear about it. Yeah, I mean they say there's
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  Speaker 1: like five families that kind of control everything, right, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Elon's not one of them, by the way. Uh, you know,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: because it's just it's just wealth beyond your imagination.
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  Speaker 3: Feel has about his breakup with Trump, I just think
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  Speaker 3: it's I mean, I think it's theatrical.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he threw he threw him a salve today planned. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I think I think Trump felt bad that his fucking
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Tesla deal. It's just for getting burnt down, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and he already won the presidency. He's like, listen, go
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  Speaker 1: get your ship back, man. I don't care what you
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  Speaker 1: say about me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what does it matter?
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: Trump's seventy nine. You know, he's got three and a
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: half years left.
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  Speaker 4: You know, do you think will go for president one day?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a change.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well they say if he creates the third Party,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: he might be able to the American Party.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever he said talking about a third party hard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh I saw him. Yeah, I wanted to call him.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: I felt chill, chill, But all right, well, let's wrap
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: it up. I wasn't go an hour twenty four minutes. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: Karen Reid. Let's see where she, you know, ends up
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  Speaker 1: in the future. I'm sure she's going to be very.
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  Speaker 3: Successful, and I can't wait to read her book.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: I don't want to dat movie. I just you know,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: I know she's innocent, but I still want to dater.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was very toxic.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, Adman, and thank you so
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: much for coming on the show. And you literally have
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: a wealth of knowledge about that case that.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: I couldn't even absorb in the.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: There's too many later episodes.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: I watched the last two nights. No, so uh, maybe
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: we'll have a little chat about the local case soon
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: if ever that Yeah, I love it.
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  Speaker 4: I think deliberations are next week.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, her coming up. I mean I think he's
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: he's going away. Yeah, you're the only kid with a
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: knife in a fight, you can that.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: I know right, he's coming.
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  Speaker 4: He's coming.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone have a great Fourth of July.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: You have a great father. You having a party, you
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: have people over your house. Yeah, we're actually going to
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: Eric and Emily's this year, on the other side of
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: the town. So we get uber and stay out of
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: arm's way, you know that stuff. So everyone be safe,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: have fun, don't drink and drive like Karen Reid did.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Not a good thing. We'll talk to you guys next week.