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I escaped from the red pill cult! | Rantzerker 247 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Coming to you live from deep within a mouse filled
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  Speaker 1: radioactive wasteland. We are the survivors of the alt right, Keckpopolix,
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  Speaker 1: the Few, the brave, the bitchy, once more waiting into
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  Speaker 1: battle against the Red Pill CULTI hordes with I escape
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  Speaker 1: from the Red Pill Cult brand Zerker number two four seven.
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  Speaker 1: I am your host, Alison, and with me is Brian
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  Speaker 1: the Indefagable. Oh that that sounds bad, You know what
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  Speaker 1: I meant? Right, okay, and also the indomitable Karen, which
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I pronounced correctly. So here we are,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Brian? Did you want to explain what we're
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  Speaker 1: doing today?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I'm still here, right, Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I am, Yeah, you're still there. Yes. So we got
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  Speaker 2: this article and an I assume an accompanying video that
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  Speaker 2: came out with it. It seems like a very short video,
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  Speaker 2: but yes, uh, yeah, it's a short it's a short video.
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  Speaker 2: It's like three minutes long.
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  Speaker 3: I'm to stretch it into the full two hours though, yep.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that.
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  Speaker 1: We we definitely have the ability to extend time, shall
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  Speaker 1: we say?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, but we have this video, uh and
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  Speaker 2: this article from the Guardian that I guess is a warning,
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  Speaker 2: a warning to anyone who is like enormy blue pilled
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  Speaker 2: person that the Manisphere is a cult, and it came
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  Speaker 2: for this young man and he just barely managed to
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  Speaker 2: escape his teeth because he almost ended up criticizing women
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  Speaker 2: or something so close. It was a close one. That's all,
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  Speaker 2: you know, That's all I can say. Yeah, and apparently,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this guy is claiming that he was a
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  Speaker 2: part of the Manisphere, and now that he is on
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  Speaker 2: the other side, he is blowing the whistle on the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing. The whole operation is over. Guys, where we're exposed.
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  Speaker 2: We're exposed and we're done. So we're cooking.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so we are. We are actually reading our
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  Speaker 1: epitaph now or our obituary. Yeah, you're so cooked.
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  Speaker 2: This is this is the dead the dead Internet theory is.
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  Speaker 2: But we're the only people who died.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so we're speaking from you to you from
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  Speaker 1: the great beyond. Okay, summarily destroyed.
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  Speaker 3: But one second, yeah, okay, enough, it's nowhere near your
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  Speaker 3: dinner time.
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  Speaker 1: She disagrees. She would like to have a word with
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  Speaker 1: the manager.
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  Speaker 3: It's daylight saving time, okay, but she usually eats at four.
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  Speaker 3: It only feels like three.
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  Speaker 1: She no, okay, so she thinks it's time to eat
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  Speaker 1: because she thinks it's four. No, but it's two there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it only it only feels like three right now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well shush dog, Alison told you so.
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  Speaker 1: Yes I did, all right, So how okay, just just
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  Speaker 1: it to preface this, like where do we do? We
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  Speaker 1: exist within the manisphere?
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  Speaker 3: Are we?
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  Speaker 1: I guess for the purposes of these adjacent Yeah, manisphere,
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  Speaker 1: which might as well make us just basically.
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  Speaker 2: Like Jason, Yeah, I mean yes, Allison, like I'm you know,
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  Speaker 2: we can we can do this dance of definitions all day.
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  Speaker 2: But in the eyes of the Guardian, yes, we are
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  Speaker 2: the manisphere. Justice, we are just as much the manisphere
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  Speaker 2: as Jordan Peterson, as Nick Fuentes, as Donald Trump Junior,
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  Speaker 2: as Stephen Crowder. Like you notice I'm naming a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of not manisphere, your people that are in the That's
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  Speaker 2: how manisphere we are. And this is what they believe.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not being funny. This is the truth. And
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  Speaker 2: one who disagrees with them is manisphere basically is manis fair?
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  Speaker 3: So yes, yes, I mean it's it's weird because like
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  Speaker 3: I I interviewed rouge V kind of after he'd left
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  Speaker 3: the pick up artist thing behind, right, and decided that
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  Speaker 3: he actually does want to settle down and have a family, right.
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  Speaker 3: I interviewed Sasha day Game after he kind of left
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  Speaker 3: the whole, you know, pick up artist thing behind. I.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like I interview these guys, right, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like and and basically it's kind of like interviewing Gilgamesh
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  Speaker 3: after his first adventure with and key Do, right. You know,
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  Speaker 3: It's it's like they've matured and they've decided that like
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  Speaker 3: just banging chicks isn't really the end all be all
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  Speaker 3: of of every era. Yeah. Yeah, And it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: so this is before they slew the Bull of Heaven.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, after they freaking you know, after Gilgamesh
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  Speaker 3: turned down Vishnu, the the goddess who goes through men
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  Speaker 3: like who's who's can chews up men like freaking confetti,
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  Speaker 3: and then then like they don't much care whether she
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  Speaker 3: like swallows them or spits them out, right, you know.
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  Speaker 1: She considering this is Sumerian mythology.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean basically she had a history of
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  Speaker 3: like seducing mortal men, right, and then when she got
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  Speaker 3: tired of them, would like turn them into like frogs
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  Speaker 3: and like lizards and bacteria and shit, right as you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: as you do when you tire of them man, and
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  Speaker 3: he no longer pleases you. So yeah, no, and and
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  Speaker 3: so so Gilgamesh was just like, yeah, bitch, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think so, I don't think two thirds god, one third man,
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  Speaker 3: and you can't seduce me. Mm hmm yeah yeah. And
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  Speaker 3: and I think that's where men need to.
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  Speaker 1: Get the fractions. There a little question.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure they did not quite
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  Speaker 3: get the whole genetics thing right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it was mythology there was a worse
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  Speaker 1: god that was born of nine tree roots, so.
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  Speaker 3: It was it was a it was one woman who
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  Speaker 3: had sex with two gods but wouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So that oh, okay, all right, there's no questioning,
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  Speaker 1: all right. So I just want to say, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're moving back into the topic. It's it's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a rough transition to go from Sumerian mythology
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  Speaker 1: to mena.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the thing. It's not it's really not okay,
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  Speaker 3: all right, it's it's it's it's so it's a to
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  Speaker 3: quote fricking beauty in the beast. It's a tale as
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  Speaker 3: old as time. You know, men begin in a certain way,
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  Speaker 3: you know, their masculinity is a certain way. And then
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  Speaker 3: over time and experience right and and dealing with the
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  Speaker 3: hardships of the world, and and learning from their mistakes,
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  Speaker 3: they become mature males.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just point out that this kid looks like
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  Speaker 1: it looks like he's his His lips are permanently hermetically
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  Speaker 1: sealed to the teacher's ass.
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  Speaker 3: He looks like he looks like Harry, Saystan't I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Think that's a real person.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh, you think it's ai generator. You might be right,
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  Speaker 1: you probably are, But yeah, he looks like I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: get my five minutes of fame. I'm a teenager who
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  Speaker 1: has lured.
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  Speaker 2: Into this is not the guy from the video, so
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  Speaker 2: this this might be a different whistleblower if that's the guy.
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  Speaker 2: But shall we.
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  Speaker 1: I wandered into a bunch of websites that gave me
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  Speaker 1: information that wasn't approved of by the school Board of
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  Speaker 1: the UK. Gosh, golly, I escaped a cult when I
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  Speaker 1: turned my computer off for the day. Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 1: so everyone, if you want to send a message any
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  Speaker 1: point throughout the show feed the badger dot com slash
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  Speaker 1: just the tip very best way to do that, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let's I can. Let's just do it. Let's just start all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, We're gonna get into the article. I'm gonna read
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  Speaker 2: it right, yes, okay, So this is from The Guardian
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  Speaker 2: and it is entitled I'm a teenager who was lured
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  Speaker 2: into the manisphere. Here's how to reach young men like me.
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  Speaker 2: Masculinity isn't is almost always presented as toxic on my feed.
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  Speaker 2: But we need constructive alternatives to give hope to those
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  Speaker 2: who feel lost.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so far, yes day guys, note, yeah, this is okay.
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  Speaker 3: But that's the trap, right like that isn't That's the
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  Speaker 3: peanut butter in the fucking mouse trap.
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  Speaker 1: Just so, what he's saying is that there is an
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  Speaker 1: overwhelming amount of anti mail sentiment going that he is
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  Speaker 1: being subjected to. Are we going to hold on to
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  Speaker 1: that at all? And ask ourselves, if we're so concerned
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  Speaker 1: about the manisphere, shouldn't we have a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: space to be concerned about the femosphere Since the fmosphere
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  Speaker 1: dwarfs the manisphere like a yurt sorry, Mount Everest Dwarf's
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  Speaker 1: a yurt.
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  Speaker 3: Well, okay, the manisphere only essentially essentially exists online, right,
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  Speaker 3: the themisphere is institutionalized and has university in college.
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  Speaker 1: And gigantic paide in the West, billion, if not trillions
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  Speaker 1: of dollars and so can we can we addres that's
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  Speaker 1: the fact that taxpayers are paying billions of dollars to
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  Speaker 1: teach this kid to hate himself?
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  Speaker 3: Is that? Is that?
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  Speaker 1: Are we gonna see?
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  Speaker 3: There's too much to ask, right, this subtitle, this subtitle
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  Speaker 3: is basically it is the peanut butter in the mouse trap, okay, right,
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  Speaker 3: And and so it is the trojan horse, right because
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  Speaker 3: you look at it and there's really nothing objectionable about
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  Speaker 3: it except it's the Guardian. So you know what's coming
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  Speaker 3: afterwards is going to be like a complete bait and switch. Yeah. No, Actually,
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  Speaker 3: men should learn how to cry more at but not
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  Speaker 3: bother women.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have nothing to cry about. And if they
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  Speaker 1: think they do, they're toxic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And if they cry to their wives, or if
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  Speaker 3: they cry to their wives or girlfriends, then ex emotional labor.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's.
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  Speaker 2: If you judge modern boyhood from the headline, do you
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  Speaker 2: think we were broken, radicalize, misogynistic angry. But as a
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  Speaker 2: teenage boy myself, I don't see a generation of lost
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  Speaker 2: boys around me. I see young men trying to make
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  Speaker 2: sense of a world that seems apathetic to our voices. Seems,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, openly hostile, sug.
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  Speaker 1: We're already sort of moving away from that that mouse
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  Speaker 1: trap there. Have you noticed that now we start with,
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  Speaker 1: we start roth hostile, Now we're at apathetic and yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right.
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  Speaker 3: So we're already screaming. Screaming at somebody to shut up
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  Speaker 3: is not apathetic. No, you know, you can just tune
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  Speaker 3: them out. You can just put on your noise canceling
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  Speaker 3: headphones and not listen. Okay, you don't need you don't
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  Speaker 3: need to bitch them out for it, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: tell them that, like they have nothing to complain about,
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  Speaker 3: your privilege, your privilege, so shut the fuck up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've actually been having conversations with GROC about
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  Speaker 1: the size of these relative factors. I had a discussion
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  Speaker 1: about actually, you know, I'll save that. It'll be essentially
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  Speaker 1: looking at miss injury versus misogyny and how they defined
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  Speaker 1: the two, and it was interesting, but I'll save that
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  Speaker 1: for a little bit later. Okay, can you really read
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  Speaker 1: into the middle of this next paragraph.
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  Speaker 2: So we have some time to respond, all right. I'd
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  Speaker 2: be the first to admit that there are serious issues
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  Speaker 2: facing young men my age. I've experienced some of them firsthand.
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  Speaker 2: Between the ages of twelve and fourteen, I was drawn
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  Speaker 2: into harmful online communities promising me money, meaning and manhood.
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  Speaker 2: Muscular wealthy men leading through Dubai, draped in designer labels
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  Speaker 2: and flanked by beautiful women flooded my feed.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so that's Andrew t.
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  Speaker 1: Or Saudi princes.
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  Speaker 2: Princes are manisphere though, but maybe maybe they count.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they count, Like because.
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  Speaker 2: Anywhere on the Internet where there's a man and he's
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  Speaker 2: not being stomped on or ridiculed or just down by
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  Speaker 2: a woman, maybe that's.
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  Speaker 1: More tithing to feminism. That's the manisphere.
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  Speaker 2: Essentially. That's is a video of space Marine saying for
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  Speaker 2: the Emperor, that's the manisphere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's also anywhere where a boy has a
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  Speaker 1: positive feeling about his masculinity, that's the matisphere. God forbid.
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  Speaker 2: Henisphere is a video about, uh, you know, a guy
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  Speaker 2: showing off the guns he just got.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, and it's it's it's like, okay, so you
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  Speaker 3: have you have the aspirational right and everybody knows that
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  Speaker 3: they're not going to be driving a Lamborghini through Dubai
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  Speaker 3: with like sixteen bitches fallowing them, right, and a leopard yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and a pet pet cheetah or whatever. Right, But but
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  Speaker 3: what they what they what those aspirational figures do is
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  Speaker 3: it it gives you something that you know you're never
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  Speaker 3: gonna achieve, but you could achieve parts of it. You
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  Speaker 3: could achieve pieces of it. You could actually get a
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  Speaker 3: six pack maybe, and and you know and maybe not
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  Speaker 3: guns on the range, but guns you know, on your arms, right,
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  Speaker 3: and you you could you could maybe score one chick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right exactly, yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's like, you know, like all all of
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  Speaker 3: these things like including looks, maxing and things like that
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  Speaker 3: that a lot of young men are into these days,
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  Speaker 3: not a lot, but like a minority of young men
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  Speaker 3: are into. It can be really unhealthy, just like it
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  Speaker 3: can be for women. You know, like when when you
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  Speaker 3: take the plastic surgery just that much too far, but
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  Speaker 3: when when you actually when you actually look at it, right,
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  Speaker 3: there is an aspiration. No kid, no little boy playing
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  Speaker 3: with a he man doll, thought he was ever going
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  Speaker 3: to have that body when he grew up. M right
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  Speaker 3: like it and no, no, little kid reading a Superman
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  Speaker 3: comic book, right, young little kid, little boy right thought?
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  Speaker 3: You know, like if I just try hard enough, I'll
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  Speaker 3: be able to fly.
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  Speaker 2: For sure.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, but it's aspirational exactly. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like Spider Man's not a freaking a realistic male figure
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  Speaker 3: role model for young men. But you know it's better
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  Speaker 3: than nothing. Yea more?
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  Speaker 2: All right? Should I continue?
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  Speaker 3: Or yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Step the way, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: Just have to deal with the the I accidentally put
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  Speaker 1: the the catbird entertainment device up too loud, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure that we're going to get some from the sound
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  Speaker 1: autists eventually that where are the birds coming from? So
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  Speaker 1: I had to turn it down. But anyway, I've derailed enough.
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  Speaker 3: Let's keep going, all right, all right?
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  Speaker 2: They said there was no excuse for the rest of
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  Speaker 2: us not to be in their position too, and offered
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  Speaker 2: what they claimed was a blueprint to get us there.
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  Speaker 2: Misogyny was rife in these communities, as was political extremism.
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  Speaker 2: There it is, yeah, there it is.
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  Speaker 1: Really that was quite a quick snap on that mouse trap.
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  Speaker 1: Misogyny was rife in these communities, as was political extremism. Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: I as much as I know people were concerned about AI.
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  Speaker 1: I asked Groc and I actually ask like multiple ais,
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  Speaker 1: I don't just ask one. And to analyze the level
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  Speaker 1: of mysingry versus misogyny generally in the online world, I
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  Speaker 1: think it would surprise no one to find out that
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  Speaker 1: miss injury is a much bigger problem. It's phenomenally bigger.
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  Speaker 1: There is a lot more casual missenger oh yeah, yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And there's a lot morectional mysingry. There's a lot more
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  Speaker 1: media amplified mys injury. There's a lot more miss injury
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  Speaker 1: that is paid for by the taxpayer for being promoted.
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  Speaker 1: So it is a big miss injury is a big business.
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  Speaker 1: And then when you turn around and they say there's
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  Speaker 1: misogyny in these spaces, what do you mean by misogyny?
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  Speaker 3: What do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 1: Because I actually ask rock what is how do men
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  Speaker 1: and women complain about each other on Twitter? And Twitter
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  Speaker 1: is like the dread space of the like that Twitter
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  Speaker 1: is manos seers central according to these people, right yeah
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  Speaker 1: x x X, sir Exeter. So I asked them, And
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  Speaker 1: men complain about things like hypergamy, which is a behavior
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  Speaker 1: which is actually empirically founded. It's it is, it is
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  Speaker 1: at epirically correct, verified pattern of behavior in women, and
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  Speaker 1: men complain about that, right. They complain about I don't
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  Speaker 1: even action, They complain about being labeled toxic and I mean, yeah, well.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that I don't even I don't even think.
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  Speaker 3: They complain about hypergamy. They complain about hypergamy in uh
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  Speaker 3: in a in the within the context of affirmative action
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  Speaker 3: for women.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And they also complain about hypergamy in terms of
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  Speaker 1: you know, what they're expected to like the whole I
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  Speaker 1: am the table nonsense, and what they're expected to achieve
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  Speaker 1: as men.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because because all of these artificially propped up women,
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  Speaker 3: right are pricing themselves out of the fucking dating market. Right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So my overall point is this, and I want to
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  Speaker 1: get to it before before you continue. The overall point
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  Speaker 1: that I'm making is that men complain about verified behaviors
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  Speaker 1: that women engage in. They complain about verified institutional discrimination
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  Speaker 1: like affirmative action. They complain about media promotion of miss
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  Speaker 1: injry like toxic masculinity, what women are complaining about. Is
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  Speaker 1: men full set? What it's They call it patriarchy or
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  Speaker 1: male privilege or male entitlement, none of which is empirically
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  Speaker 1: sound statements about men's behavior. I want to repeat that
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  Speaker 1: these are not empirically sound observations about men's behavior. These
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  Speaker 1: are false impressions construct did by a narrative and they
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  Speaker 1: are they And they instead of complaining about, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: a verifiable behavior that women engage in, they complain about
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  Speaker 1: the existence of men. What does patriarchy mean? What does
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  Speaker 1: male privilege mean? What does male entitlement mean? These are
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  Speaker 1: considered to be emergent properties of men. Somehow, women don't
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  Speaker 1: have privilege, Women aren't entitled to things. These are problems
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  Speaker 1: that only men do. And they keep increasing the number
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  Speaker 1: of things that they tag is just a male issue,
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  Speaker 1: like man's spreading, man'splaining, man interrupting, man slamming. So they
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  Speaker 1: take something that is a antisocial or just rude behavior,
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  Speaker 1: they slap a male label on it and say it's
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: an emergent property of being a man or having masculinity.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: And this is persistent. And I asked, and so online
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: spaces and groc did say there is a fringe that
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: engages in the same kind of misogyny that the average
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: man interest engages in. But for the most part, that's
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: what's happening. Men are complaining about verified behaviors in women,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: verified institutional practices that discriminate against them, verified institutional narratives
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: that are anti mail, and women are complaining about men
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: and blaming men. Right, that's what's happening. Okay, So don't
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: give me this crowd. Yeah, you can find like sub
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: communities with misogyny that's comparable to the overwhelming miss indry,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: but they're still small and fringe.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: And if you don't like it, okay, let's continue.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I just want to add something to that to first
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: of all, I have noticed that missonry is getting more
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: and more mainstream usage. And then this is good because
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: it means people are paying attention, and I mean normies
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: are using the word now, right, and that's great. I mean, like,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: you remember that used to come up. It may still
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: come up as a misspelled word if you put it
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: in like a document, you know, it used to come
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: up with the line under it to say that was misspelled.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: So that was one thing I wanted to say, is
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: that it almost doesn't matter that they're trying to like
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: run cover for this, because I think the normies are
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: like using the word more and and they're recognizing it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: The other thing, too, is that couldn't if you know,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: you're lying when you accuse men of being misogynists for
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: basically anything that they do, like Alison said, simply having
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: criticisms of behavior that is that is done by But
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: couldn't that also be seen as missonry too, because it
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: is hurtful to accuse someone of hate when they don't
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: have hate in them, and it's like intended to hut
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: them and cause.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Them particularly bad. They engage in something that everybody engages in,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: but when they do it, it's particularly bad, yeah, or
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: or we're just going to ignore the fact that everybody
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: else also engages in it too.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Right, everybody else's women.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know it's it's it's infuriating in that
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: way because that in itself is you know, taking a
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: behavior that's widespread among both groups. Right, And and then
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: you know, like okay, fem spreading right on the subway. Okay,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Well she has bags and she puts them on the
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: seats next to her. Well, she's taking up three seats.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: I mean she's keeping her legs her knees together, right,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: or crossing her legs, but she's still taking up three seats.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: She's still fem spreading, she's still taking up more than
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: her fair share of public space, right, so you know,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: and it's because she doesn't want to put her bags
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: on the floor, because her bags are like too nice
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: to put on the floor, right, And it's just like yeah, no, no,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: this is this is one of those things that like
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: everybody takes up a little bit of extra space, you know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: depending on whatever, and and h mm hmm, and everybody's
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: a little inconsiderate. But when men do it, when women
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: do it, it's because reasons, because they have good reason.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: And when men do it, it's because they're asserting their
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: dominance over women.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, it gets even worse because I actually, again I
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: asked Groc to do the analysis, although I do have
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: some like a familiarity of what Groc is talking about.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: And I said, okay, let's look at the rate of
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: missonry versus misogyny in boys versus girls, young men versus
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: young women. And it came back with like a Ugov
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: survey and another survey that said, there is a ten
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: to fIF something was ten I think it was ten
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: to fifteen percent misogyny rate among young men and a
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty five I believe percent mis injury rating
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: or a number of miss like ten fifteen to twenty
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: five percent of young women express misunder sentiments. Yep, ten
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: to fifteen percent of young men express misogynist sentiments. And
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: then I asked, grok, okay, how do they define misogyny
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: or how do they define hostile sexism? This is what
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: it was, what was showing. And I found out that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: they define hostile sexism as any criticism of feminism's policies
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: around affirmative action and toxic masculinity. So if young men
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: are saying, I don't missy to object to misery, they
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: object makes the miss discrimination against men, or if they
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: object to a narrative that labels young men as toxic,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: that is Inclusiogeny was included in the statistic on the
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: rate of misogyny. And I said, to hostile sexism, so
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: not just benevolent sexism, which is somehow also misogyny. Remember
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: remember that test that we found that if you think
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: a woman is is morally superior to a man. That's
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: benevolent sexism that harms women most. Yeah, well, this is
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: just hostile sexism. So I asked Groc okay, could you
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: estimate how much hostile sexism that young men express that
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: is directly in relation to policies that are discriminating against
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: them and narratives that frame them as toxic. And Groc said,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: based on these ad digital studies, eighty percent of eighty
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: percent of the so called hostile sexism and again that's
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: just anti. All they're capturing is criticism and pushback against
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: feminists advocacy or feminist policies that discriminate against boys and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: call them toxic. Eighty percent of hostile sexism is in
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: boys against women against women. Is that Okay? You get
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: rid of it, and then you end up with something
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: like two to five percent hostile sexism among young men
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: compared to fifteen to twenty five percent hostile sexism among
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: young women. And here we are yet another article. Oh boy,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: we got to talk about the hostile sexism of young men.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: When it's zero, we'll still have to talk about the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: potential of hostile sexism increasing in the future, and it'll
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: be something like seventy five percent of young men or
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: young women are variantly hostily sexist towards men.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: But we still can't.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Fade, We can't deal any We were not going to
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: do anything about that. We gotta fate, We gotta we
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: gotta deal with the tiny minority of young men who
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: express any kind of hostility, which, if you think about it,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: is really astounding at that point that it's only two
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to five percent.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Like, as a woman, I'm like looking at this, and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: sometimes there are days I wake up and I'm like,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know how men can still stand women. Yeah, Like,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know how how they must. I mean, there
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: ever was evidence of men's benevolence. It is living through
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: this era and continuing to tolerate a lot of this,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just okay, So once again we
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: are going to focus on the hostile sex of the
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: minority in young men. Okay, next paragraph, All right, I got.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: A super chat, and then I'm gonna read the next
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: minute paragraph. So Dean Domino gives us a dollar ninety nine.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Dean, and says anything the Cathedral doesn't like
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: equals manisvere Yep, Yes, that's right, because men are the
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: enemy and there is a reason for that. But anyway,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I want these issues to be called out, and I'm
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: glad they're being actively discussed in the media. In fact,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: meaning you want discussion.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: What the issue of what that misogyny being.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Rife in these communities and political extremism.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: But also the misogyny isn't qualified, like it isn't qualified.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: He doesn't explain what it is and.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Why muscular He said, misogyny in your emotions.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Just because they are muscular wealthy men in Dubai does
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: not mean massage. Okay, I'm sorry, No, he's saying that.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I'm meaning a picture of muscular wealthy men with women
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: flanked by beautiful women, saying there's no excuse for the
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: rest of us not to be in their position, and
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: then immediately goes that they offer a blueprint, and then
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and immediately goes to misogyny was rife in these communities,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: as was political extremism. So not necessarily saying that the
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: muscular guy in Dubai with the women did this, but
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: that the community that surrounded that person apparently was full
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: of misogynists and political extremists. And we don't have to
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: explain anymore. We've said that that's enough. Get upset. That's
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: what here's here's your emotional trigger. And now we'll move on.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Because the one thing that you really don't want in
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: your society are misogynists and politically extreme men apparently with it,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: which is all they They don't have to they don't
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: have to explain it. They don't have to give you
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: any like any evidence, no receipts necessary. Just know that
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: there are men somewhere in the world, in your country,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: maybe in your town, maybe they go to your school,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: maybe they're at your job, and they are misogynists and
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: or politically extreme, and that is enough. Be afraid. That's
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: that's what this is. Remember who reads this this thing
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: about the audience that this is aimed at.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: It's not men, by the way, unless unless it's some
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: like freaking scrowny white dude who like punches a freaking
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: like black black woman who voted for Trump with brass nuttles, right,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: you know from Rose City Antifa.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I want these issues to be called out, and I'm
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: glad they're being actively discussed in the media. In fact,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: reading nuanced discussion in the press which confronted these spaces
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: is these problematic aspects helped me escape the handcuffs binding
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: me to these role models. It made me consider how
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: they were profiting from polarization and insecurity. So and everyone class,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: there's a lot, there's a lot packed in there. Yeah, no,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I can see it, say anything about this paragraph.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: I can. I can. I can understand. I can understand
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: the whole idea of profiting from this because you know,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: like many problems, when you profit from a problem from
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: fixing a problem. And we've seen this with you know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: with homelessness in California. Oh, we poured twenty five billion
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: dollars into the problem over the last ten years into
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: nonprofits designed to help the homeless, right, and somehow our
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: homeless population has doubled, right, Well, it's because, uh, these
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: nonprofits are actually like lots of people are profiting from
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: them because they're earning huge salaries the people who run
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: these things, right, and once the homelessness problem is solved,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: their grant money is gone.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Right, And so I can, I can understand being I
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: can really understand being suspicious of the profit motive, right.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: And you know, when when you have somebody like Andrew
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Tate who's making a ton of money on this kind
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: of thing, right, I can, I can understand being a
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: little bit skeptical right of whether he's really trying to
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: solve the problem.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: So well, I doubt he really is. But regardless, the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: way that they're framing this is.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Well, it's it's like feminism too, right, like feminism. Oh
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: if the it's like it's like you remember in the
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Red Pill trailer, right, And I don't think this clip
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: made it into the movie, right, but there was this
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: woman and she was like, oh, yeah, no, women are
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: more oppressed by patriot The patriarchy is even stronger today
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: than it was, you know, fifty years ago. Right, Well,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: that's what they have to say. Otherwise the grant money
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: drives up.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Continued all right, Well, I want to say something
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: about this paragraph. So, first of all, when he says
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: nuanced discussion, So this sentence in fact, reading nuanced discussion
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: in the press, which confronted these spaces problematic aspects, helped
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: me escape the handcuffs binding me to binding me to
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: these role models. I doubt there's anything nuanced about it,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: because most of these people don't actually try to understand
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: what the other side is even saying, they just like
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: you know, implicate, implicate, implicate, and then it says it
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: made consider how they were profiting from polarization and insecurity.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: So what does that mean? In my opinion, I'll tell
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: you what it means. It means there were people who
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: didn't like the way things are when the feminists ran everything,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: like control the entire narrative, and there are people who
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: are like, no, I don't think this is true. No,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think you'd be shitting on men. No, I
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: think fathers are important. No, I think like we shouldn't
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: be butchering you know, boys penises. No, I don't think this, this, this,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: These are all the men's issues I don't like. And
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: they're like, you're creating division. So what they're saying is
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: you should stay in your place and deal with things
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: as they are. In fact, you should be happy that
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: we haven't made things worse and we don't like that
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: you have something to say. I mean, that's that's what
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I'm getting from this. Polarization is not coming from the manusphere.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: The manusphere is like, it's it's big. I mean, and
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I will include manisphere like it or not, because that's
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: what they would do. Anyone who is speaking on behalf
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: of men in any degree, from the intactivists and the
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: bloody men, the you know the to the Jordan Peterson's
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: and the self help people, to the Chris Williamson's and
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: modern wisdom, to fucking like whoever, it doesn't even matter,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: to the men's rights activists, to Paul Elam to Janice
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: bim Mango to Tom Golden, all of those people, in
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: their opinion, are creating polarization when the only thing they're
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: really doing is they're criticizing the status quo, and they're saying,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: no status quo, good, shut up and getting your corner.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they're saying that they're creating another side. So
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: if we if we actually shut up and we just
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: let feminists get on with it, then there would be
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: no polarization, except you know, they are constructing an enemy
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: out of the entirety of the male half of the
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: human race. But that's not polarization. Polarization only occurs when
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: you stand up and say, hey, maybe we shouldn't be
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: directing war propaganda at our sons. That's when polarization started,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: didn't you know that? Like that when you start to
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: have another side pushing back, But I okay, unless you.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Say, okay, here, here's the thing too, right, Like they
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: often criticize, you know, men's men's rights groups and stuff. Oh,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: they're just reactionaries. Yeah, what are they reacting to? What
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: are they reacting to? Right, and calling them like as
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: if reactionary is like some kind of horrible thing. Well, no,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: if you're reacting to somebody punching you in the face, right,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: that's justified. Right. It's the person who punched you in
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: the face who's in the wrong.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So when they say you're creating polarization, they're saying
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: that in the face for like trying to fight back
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: or defend yourself.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Or even just say please stop.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's polarization, Brian. Complete and there's nothing but complete
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: submission and not acknowledging the fact that feminism is saying
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: that half the human race is an enemy. We can't
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: acknowledge that if we if we acknowledge that, we are
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: constructing the polarization.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that's the that's the freaking that's the
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: that's the the seam of pure uh.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Pure evil, well, hypocrisy.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Pure freaking metal right through that stone. That is feminism.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: That's the seam, right, the sem the mother load, right,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: The mother load throughout feminism since its inception, has been
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: the demonization of men and the accusation of men having
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: basically engaged in a vast conspiracy against women, right to
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: keep them down. And you see it through once once
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: you open your eyes to that, right from even before
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: the Declaration of Sentiments, all the way back to Mary
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Wollstonecraft and before right when you when you actually look
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: at it, and you see that the the fundamental, the
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: kernel right that resides at the center of every single
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: aspect of feminism, right is that men have conspired against
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: women in order to harm them for men's benefits benefit,
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: and that and that this has been happening right since
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: before we walking on two legs, okay, before we before
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: we wore clothes, before we could use tools, men were
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: dominating women for men's own benefit, and they were conspiring
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: with each other to do it, right, And which is
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: which is when I when you think about it, is
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: like the biggest insult towards women in in history, right,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Like oh yeah, no, you've been like oppressed for like
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: two million years and you haven't figured out how to
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: like unoppressed yourselves, Like what the fuck right, But okay,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: this is what it is. It's this grand conspiracy theory, right,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: an indictment against men. It's they indicted the ham sandwich,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: that is men, and everybody just assumed men were guilty, right,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: because women have this fucking huge power of social manipulation
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: right at their fingertips, and they were able to convince
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: everybody to go along with it. And this is why
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: they're saying. They're literally saying that women are worse off now,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: women are more oppressed now than they were one hundred
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: and fifty years ago, and people will believe it.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, all right, next paragraph, all.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Right, next paragraph. Yeah. I strongly believe we need to
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: reframe how we talk about these issues, not as innately
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: evil flaws in the young male demographic, but as an
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: expression of uncertainty. Last week I was sitting on the
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: bus home from school of what do you mind mock
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: gcsee revision by scrolling through TikTok.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Just you have to stop at the next para between paragraphs,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: just so we can respond, just because if you read
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: too much, it'll end up screwing with the the short system. Okay,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Yet I strongly believe we need to reframe how we
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: talk about these issues not as inherently evil flaws and
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the young male. So so we were already talking about
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: young gyographic.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: I want to beat I want to beat man. I
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: want to beat this young man. I want to beat him,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: right because because you know what, then he'll learn what
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Missonry is right, because you know what. You shouldn't be complaining,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: young man. You shouldn't be complaining about anything, right. Oh,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: you shouldn't be defending yourself as not having inherently evil flaws.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Don't defend yourself. Don't defend your sex. You don't deserve it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But also I just want to point out that
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: didn't didn't haven't. We had this discussion about the inherent
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: flaws of young men and all men for fifty years now,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: so way more than that, yeah, way more than that
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: evil demograph.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Women have never ever ever been hearing only good things about.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Look at the epic of Gilgamesh for Fox's sake, the
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: world's oldest living document. Okay, right, and what did it
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: talk about? It talked about a young brash man with
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: too much power, with no ability to handle it, no responsibility,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: no sense of of of loyalty and reciprocal duty. To
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: those under his He figured they were under his rule,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: not under his care right, And and he went through
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: a journey and came out the other side a wise
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: and just king.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: And that has always been this, This has always been
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: the story of masculinity, all through the entire body of
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: literature throughout the world, the story of the brash, immature, selfish,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: young upstart asshole, right who becomes who becomes, through the
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: trials and tribulations and many adventures and many hardships, becomes
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: the wise and just leader right? That that is?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: That is yes, yes, I know. We've always had a
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: discussion about how men are supposed to step up and
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: sacrifice and become wiser and learn to control themselves for
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the benefit of others. We've always had that, We've always
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: had an inherent recognition.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: And disapproval of those who don't do that. Those are
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: the laws of male Yeah.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, let's try to get to the next paragraph.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, Brian, It's not your fault.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: It's okay, okay. Uh. Last week I was sitting on
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: the bus home from school of what do you my
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: mock gcsc revision by scrolling through TikTok, a video appear
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: to my feed surrounding a generally to debate, and the creator,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: a young woman not much older than myself, use the
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: term toxic masculinity.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Wow, you've never heard about it before. This is sudden, Okay, all.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Right, I'll keep going. Sure, for those I'm sorry for familiar, Yeah,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: for those who are unfamiliar. But this is to remind you,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: guys that this isn't aimed at people who actually understand
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: these things, for normies that don't understand these things, and
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: the hopes that they will take hold of the narrative.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: And in a way, I want to say, I think
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: this is a it's it's a good sign that this
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: kind of content is out there because it means that
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: that the people at The Guardian and other outlets are
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: really worried. They're worried that they're that they have lost
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: men and they're and they're desperately trying to get them back.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: And I think that this is just one of the
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: approaches they've tried. Shame hell, they still do it. They're
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: still doing it in this this article.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: They're just trying to be a little bit less. I
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: don't know, like maybe maybe they're they're changing the tone
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: of the shame. But I do think that they're afraid.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: But for those who are unfamiliar, really, really, is there
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: anybody who's unfamiliar?
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Really, for those who are unfamiliar, Toxic masculinity has
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: become a catch all term for exaggerated negative forms of
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: masculinity that can put pressure on men and boys to
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: behave in certain ways. These issues are certainly real, and
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I didn't just disagree with the Great's point.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, they can toxic masculine From the moment I was like, oh,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: so you mean them phrase toxic masculinity can force men
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: to behave It's no, he means toxic masculinity can. I
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: actually did an analysis the There is a someone who
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: looked into what creates suicide or what like the negative
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: thought spiral that is a contributing a main contributing factor
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: to suicidal And I'm blanking on his name, but it
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: was really interesting work. And he found that suicidal and
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: depressed people have an issue with seeing themselves as a
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: burden on others, and in fact, that narrative is very
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: complicit with with actually going through the act of committing suicide.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: And there was actually, I don't know if you've ever
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: watched the channel Diary of a CEO. But he interviewed
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: a psychologist who deals with men, and you know, like,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: I don't agree with everything this guy says, right, you know,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: this psychologist, but one thing that he did say was
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: that in his clinical practice he deals with a lot
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: of suicidal young men and they're not depressed.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Joiner. Thomas Joyner was the name of the guy that
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: But these guys are not depressed, said, he says, They're
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: not depressed. They are making a rational decision that life
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: is not worth living. And I've said this before. You know,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: it's not a mental health crisis. The suicidality rate, the
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: suicidal rate, in the suicide rate in young in men
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: is not necessary. This is men taking a rational look,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: an objective look at their lives and deciding that their
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: lives are not worth living. And often it is because
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: they don't want to be a burden on others.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Thomas, no, I agree, and that's something that
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: we don't talk about. And I actually did a little
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: bit of an analysis that. So. Thomas Joyner is a
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: psychologist who originally identified perceived burdensomeness, often expressed as burden.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Narratives and personal stories or accounts is a key factor
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: linked to suicidal ideation, which is strongly tied to depression
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: and suicide. Okay, so this forms the core part of
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: his interpersonal theory of suicide. Okay, So people who specifically
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: men who feel depressed and also suicidal, and maybe not
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: the two things are not necessarily completely overlapping, feel like
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: they are a burden on others.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Well, they're situationally depressed.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: But does toxic masculinity stay about men as a whole?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: It essentially says that men are a burden on women.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: And society, they have no positive impact.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Well, they're a burden because they cause emotional labor, they
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: cause men to rupting, men's spreading, men's blaming, they cause
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: male entitlement that takes snatches, the snatches the very achievement
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and success opportunities for women, and everywhere, everywhere, from every angle,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: men are told they are the problem and they are
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: essentially a parasite on society. So this toxic masculinity narrative
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: is complicit in the suicide rate for men. And I
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: actually looked at it, and I asked, groc, is it
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: possible that the overwhelming narrative. And I actually ask Groc
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to estimate how much of this kind of male burdensome
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: narrative men are exposed to daily. He said, twenty to
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: thirty instances of being referred to as a burden. Every
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: single man is experienced twenty to thirty instances of being
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: referred to as a burden every day. And I asked, Okay,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: so if that's the case, then could this be an
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: explanation why there are men who commit suicide without having
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: any apparent mental health issues prior to that, Because essentially
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: what happens is they experience a job loss, or more likely,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: they experience a problem with a relationship, they are abused
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: in that relationship or the relationship ends, and then they
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: just have a cascading failure, like it just that's it,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: And it's because they just like if you, if you
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: subject an entire population to twenty to thirty burdens of
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: narratives a day, and then when they experience something that
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: takes away whatever is in their life that is holding
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: that back, what ends up happening the damn breaks and
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: they become swept away. And I asked, so is this
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: could this be explain why do you have these sudden
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: sudden suicides? And it said yes, I mean, I mean
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: if you take that for what it is, you know grow.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well Grock, Grock, any any AI will want to
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: say things, will want to be highly agreeable with you.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Actually, I've tested GROC multiple.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Yet I have primate to like, no, I do primeate,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: I do primitn't don't instantly agree with me.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I prime it. But also GROC doesn't
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: do that anymore. I know that a lot of other
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: ais do that. But I have gotten into extended testing GROC.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I have gotten into extended debates with it to try
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: to get it to say like or agree with me
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: on a point, and it continues if it considers that
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: point to be incorrect, it will continue to push it's
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: its interpretation here. Yeah, and so I I in some
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: areas Grok is not like, do not ask it for
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: fiction analysis. It will make shit up like a motherfucker.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: But in terms of anything that can be tested for
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: empirical accuracy, is GROC is pretty good. It's actually better
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: than perplexity because I've also dealt with perplexity, and perplexity
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: actually cited a retracted paper and Science that had been
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: superseded by something newer and better science, and I was like,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: what the hell are you doing? And then and then
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: it flagged me said I'm going to be reporting you
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: because blah blah blah. I'm like, what it was your
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: mistake anyway?
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: All right, okay, so back to the article. However, it
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: did make me pause and reflect. I realize watching this,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: watching this video, how desensitized I had become to seeing
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: those two words paired together on my feet such that
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: they seemed intertwined, like fast food and hard work or
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: bright idea.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the point. They don't have any other
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: version of masculinity by a toxic one because they don't
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: want to recognize that masculinity has any validity because if
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: they did, they would have to question their war against it. Yep, yes,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I mean I every time I've heard people bring up
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity, I say, well, what is the what is
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: positive masculine? They never have an answer. Oh, they have
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: to appeal to traditional masculinity, which they don't regard as legitimate.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: So traditional masculinity is toxic masculinity.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, when I asked, well, all kinds of modern
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: masculinity is also toxic masculinity.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, traditional, there is no positive masculinity unless it is
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: just purely in service to women, well, and even then
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: only in service to certain.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Women of the certain in certain contexts, yes, yes, in
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: certain contexts with which.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: The frequency with which a male user encounters the phrase
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: toxic masculinity on X depends on several factors. There followed accounts,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: engagement patterns, a little bit whatever, key, let me get
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: to the Okay, so assumptions. A typical male user scrolls
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: to feed for twenty okay, uh, okay, all right, So
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: casual scroller likely encounters So just follow sports news, minimal
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: gender topic engagement, and daily time on X fifteen to
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes will encounter it was you're at a one time,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: but still will encounter it. Okay. And if and if
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: you are a user, a male user who's seeking out
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: any kind of information on anything related to gender or
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: sex or achievement, you're not going to be in that category.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: We're just talking sports and news. No gender engagement. Active
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: engager follows opinion leaders interacts with debates every twenty five
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: to thirty minutes. They will see the phrase two one
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: to three times. High exposure follow those feminist progressive accounts
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: searches trends every thirty minutes, they will see it three
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: to five plus times, so they you are like, men
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: are being inundated with that phrase. Yeah, that automatic emotional
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: association with masculinity.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Is now that next toxic next paragraph?
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, next paragraph. All right. I sat for the
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: entire twenty minutes of that bus Dura trying to remember
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: the last time I saw masculinity appear on my feed
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: without being coupled with toxic. I thought and thought and
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: thought some more. I could not do it. Yeah, that's
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: because that's the only way it's presented. It's either toxic masculinity,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: traditional masculinity, hegemonic masculinity, but toxic masculinity is the most
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: like popular version. But they're all they're all the same thing.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Can society expect anything other than uncertainty when masculinity, one
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: of the very essences of our existence, is almost always
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: presented as toxic. When I was engrossed in the manisphere,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: this type of messaging would only have alienated me further
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: from mainstream society, driving me closer to the influencers claiming
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: that it was biased.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: The kids you were, you were never in the manisphere
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: because you have still seen that.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Well, no, it's it's it. Well, no, he was, he's okay, Uh,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: this type of messaging would only have alienated me further
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: from mainstream society, driving me closer to the influencers, claiming
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: that it was biased against young men. Okay, yeah, no,
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: so that's why he ended up in the manisphere.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's the timing is weird. When I was
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: engrossed in the manisphere, this type of messaging would only
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: have been alienated me further. So he went into the
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: manisphere not knowing about toxic masculinity.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Like a young he's an extremely young man.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: And maybe no, no, and all young because he's getting
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: an ac SE, which means he's in like middle school
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: or something.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Whipposed to people like Laura Bates.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: Well but okay, but okay, but you know, maybe he
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: just never thought about it. Maybe he just never thought
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: about it, right, And the only reason he even thought
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: about it, okay, because hear me out. Maybe the only
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: reason he thought about it was because he fell into
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: the manisphere or some fringe of the manisphere, some some
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: you know, surface level you know, pocket of the manisphere
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: and started entertaining discussions started being interested in masculinity. Right,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: So maybe he just all the toxic masculinity rhetoric, you know,
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: he was just like it was just not on his
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: radar before that.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: But then he's going in as a young man, as
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: a young man, a pubescent young man, okay, an adolescent
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: young man, right, trying to figure out what it is
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: to be a man. Right, falls into the manisphere, right,
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: and then he's like, yeah, no, if I had escaped
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: the manisphere, if I had still been you know, if
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: I hadn't escaped, if I had still been immersed in it,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: then it would have alienated me further from the mainstream,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: all of this talk in the mainstream about toxic masculinity.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: Yet maybe maybe he didn't notice, maybe he didn't notice
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: it before. This is and articles have word limits, Allison.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not I can't I press X to
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: doubt any of this is real.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: But regardless, this paragraph too much driving.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Me closer to the influencers claiming so all the bias
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: against young men in the public sphere would drive young
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: men to influencers that actually say or actually point out
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: that there's bias against young men and it's bad. This
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: is this is where it all falls apart. This is
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: where the entirety of the progressive belief system around this
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: issue falls apart. How do we get men and boys
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: to stop talking about how we're beating on them and
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: tainting their gender identity? How do we get them to
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: shut up about it without actually changing what we're doing? Okay,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: next paragraph?
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: All right, I got a super chat from Dean Domino
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: for four ninety nine, Thank you, Dina. He says he
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: was in the manisphere. He briefly scrolled past a picture
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: that wasn't crapping on men one time.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's probably accurate. Okay, he
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: saw he saw a TikTok in which a father was
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: building a cardboard or a a fort for our son
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: or daughter. It was like, oh my god, am I
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: in the manosphere?
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Of a there were a bunch of men rescuing a
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: dog from a flood. Mean, the anime guy with the butter?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Is this the manisphere? Okay? I think the potency of
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: the manisphere would be crushed if there were constructive alternatives
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: for young men to engage with. Some boys I know
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: feel alienated from education because the system simply isn't providing
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: that alternative? You guys want to say something to that?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Or should I keep going?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Just keep going?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: All right? Knowledge of financial education, entrepreneurship, and fitness doesn't
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: have to stay trapped inside controversial podcasts by influencers peddling
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: a paid course the manisphere's main form of revenue. The
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: curriculum could offer healthier versions of some of that too.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it really should, right, financial literacy should be
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: taught in high school. You have no idea how many
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: young people I have worked with high school age? Right there?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: These are people, These are hostesses and expos at the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: work at the restaurants where I worked, right, who it's
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: their first job. They're still in high school. Right. They
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: don't know what a credit rating is. They don't know
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: why you need one, and they don't know how to
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: get one and how to maintain one. Right, They have
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: no fucking clue. Right. What they do know is how
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: to design a poster for an activist event, because that's
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: what they learned in career and life management, which is
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: a mandatory course. Right. They don't understand how to balance
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: a budget. They don't understand that, Yes, if you get
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: a credit card, right, if you're lucky enough to get one, right,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: pay it down to zero every month. Don't spend a
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: penny that you don't actually have. Pay it down to
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: zero every month. Right, then they'll offer to raise your
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: credit limit, right and take that offer as long as
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: you can be disciplined with your credit card, right, take
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: that offer. Because your credit rating is balanced by is
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: scored by how much credit you have available versus how
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: much you're using. And if you have like twelve thousand
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: dollars available and you're not actually using carrying any balance, right,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: you've got a great credit score right there, right, and
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: you're gonna need that if you want to get a
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: car loan or buy a house. Right like this is
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: this is like this is simple fucking stuff, right, easy
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: peasy stuff. Career in life management. They're like, oh yeah, no,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: uh does make make your own designer license plate for
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: this course right where we're not teaching you how to drive?
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Okay? Next paragraph?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: No, okay?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: At the core of this profit generating machine behind, he
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: loves mentioning how these guys make money doing this. It's
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: like the main condemning thing, even though like that only
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: happens if someone chooses to pay them. So, but anyway,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: profit and it's not like feminism doesn't make a shit
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: ton of money, but it's just off the government and
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: taxpayers and NGOs. So I guess it's okay when the
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: government just goes around, you know, with the whole people
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: and selling them a product, to just take money from people,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: whether like it or not, and then just full ship.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: Much more.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: We got the the got the essence of this, this article.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Somebody wants to also make money off of this. They
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: feel like it's been stolen because these young men. They
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be listening to whoever these people are about masculinity.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: They should be listening to feminists about masculinity and giving
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: feminists their money. Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean this.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: This this thing is almost over. But anyway, at the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: core of this profit generating machine, behind the superficial lifestyles,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: the harmful views on women, the rebellion against the education system,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: there sits a feature that made a younger me and
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: several of my friends and peers now that deeply into
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: the clutch of these influencers.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: This isn't written like a twelve a fifth, fourteen year
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: old boy.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: This is I'm sure it was written by a grown woman,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: or probably probably Laura Bates.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh, you boys shouldn't go to Andrew Tate.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: You should go to me, Laura Baits. Don't mind me
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: putting my fingers.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Speaking of weird predatory women. I watched Witches the other day.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: He'd ever see the movie Witches from the the nineties
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: with not the remake with Anne Hathwaves. I didn't watch.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: That's terrible. I mean the original one with oh Angelica Houston.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jack Nicholson.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're thinking about the Witches of east Wick. No, no,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: this is It's just called Witches. It's based on a
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: roll doll book. It's a it's like, uh, you know
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: the guy who wrote like the Chocolate Factory and some
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: of the other weird books.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: That he wrote in the Giant Peach and yeah.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Charlie and Factory.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah he wrote a big friendly giant.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Yeah. So anyway, good movie and the you know,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: good good female villains, the Witches. So anyway, where was
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: I They made us feel listened to, heard and considered.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Of course, in reality, that's nothing more than a facade,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: a dodgy sales tactic. Society isn't going to help you.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: You're a slave to the system, but will help you escape. Okay,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: So I just want to point out again because I
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: think that when we respond to like the claims that
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: this guy's making about like how this is a big
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: profit generating machine, our brains want to say this is
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: about Andrew Tate, It's not. I clicked on the link
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: for influencers and it's, like I said, it's anyone who
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: wants to talk to men. And if you're telling me
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: that Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson and Aiden Ross and
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: you know, Joe Rogan and any any of those people,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: Tom Golden, Paul em anyone, if you are telling me
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: that those people are all just in it for the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: money and they're all the same, then I got a
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: bridge that I want to sell you, because this is
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: just a way of essentially making those avenues, let's say, toxic,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: so that nobody wants to even like entertain that, and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: they do it by attaching people at Jordan Peterson to
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Andrew Tate or Aiden Ross or whoever you know. That's it.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: So I just want to make sure we understand that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: if you're in the chat saying something about Tate, you're
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: you're not looking at this correctly, because that's not what
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: it's not about him. If Tate exploded tomorrow in a
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: shower of gore and he was dead and gone in
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: his business collapse, guess what, these articles will still exist
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: and they'd be about somebody else. So it wouldn't matter,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: it would not matter who it is. It's what they're
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: doing is they're they're trying to corral men away from
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: anything that looks like it's not where they want them
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: to be, which is right in line. Here, be good
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: little you know, wage slaves, and give your tax money
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: to us so that we can keep funneling into the
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: education system, so that we can continue to propagandize women
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: and children against you for the rest of your life.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: And that's what they're doing. So I'm just saying this
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: is important because if you get caught up on the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Andrew Tate thing, you're losing. You're losing big, Okay, But anyway,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: go ahead.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think everybody never knows that that this is
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: just that particular figure is just to stand in for
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: anyone who opposes the idea that men are toxic, like
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: anybody who says, no, actually that that narrative is wrong.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: And it's bad and it's hurtful and it's harmful and
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: the people who express it don't have your best interests
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: in mind, and you should stop listening to them. Oh
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: that's what's the problem is.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yes, I'm gonna step away for a second here
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: because my dog is going crazy and it is it
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: does feel like four o'clock now, so yeah, okay, go
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: feed your daughter.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: All right, can't feed the dog all right? So anyway,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: we got to the stage where sixty second social media
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: advert can make a young man feel more valid than
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: an entire education system. I see that as a pretty
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: drastic problem. When society is not providing a listening ear
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: an algorithm will fill the void. When I was younger,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: I felt seen by influencers, but not by the institutions
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: I am growing up in. I have peers that still
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: feel the same way.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, so how did you get seen by the institution? Now,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: this is my question.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: He's asking the institutions to step in, uh and and
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: do something, but they're not going to yr your cries
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: fall on dead. Yeah, like this is the thing. I
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: don't know if this is Let's assume for a moment
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: this is actually a genuine cry for help, for like
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: for the for the schools and the the institutions and
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: his governments to acknowledge and try to address men's issues. No,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: like that, it's not happening. You're you are your your
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: cries will fall on deaf ears and the if anything,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: if you are someone who is legitimately asking this question,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: guess what. The Gardian is using your article to corral
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: more men into the system that hates them. And and
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: they're gonna use this because they what they want is
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: not for you to get better. They don't want to
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: fix your problems. They just want you to shut up
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: and get in line, because that's what this is. Okay anyway,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Andrew take cares school? Doesn't You need to realize that? Mate?
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Those are the words of a close friend of mine
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: in a late night online video game lobby. You might
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: hear his words as simply teenage rebellion or malicious naivete.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: But I heard the desperation, I heard naivete.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know that is like an oxymore on malicious naivete. Yeah, okay,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: all right, no, this is okay, Andrew take cares school doesn't?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Well, where are you going to go? For recognizing that,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: recognizing that the institution is overwhelmingly antimail. Where are we
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: going to go? Now? Where are we gonna where's this
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: article going to go? I am a flutter.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't feel like a coincidence that he was
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: speaking to an in an online space. John Harris recently
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: pointed to the dire state of youth club funding, with
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: twelve hundred centers closing between twenty ten and twenty twenty three.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: My town youth group met the ad closing when you
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: can no longer afford the hire of a local hall.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: What say it's an ad for state funded youth groups?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: Uh? Feminist?
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: I mean I think that he probably wants group of
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: youth clubs. But guess what that was the first thing
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: to go. Man, Like, what you're basically saying is, man,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: you know men need their own spaces. Well, guess who's
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: been saying that shit for ten years and it hasn't
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: happened yet. Even when they do get a space, women
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: take it over no matter what it is. Your video
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: game lobby isn't safe, dude, So like it doesn't matter.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: You're basically again, you're saying something obvious and you're not
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: asking Well, dude, if this is so obvious, why don't
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: we have it. It's almost like because it's not allowed.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because somebody is shutting them down. Okay, I wonder
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: who that could be.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Okay. Meanwhile, in pshe lessons at my co
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: ed school, myself and other boys in my class felt
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable discussing our issues and worries, scared of risking a
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: judgmental look from a girl or even worse, social alienation.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: There's great social costs of potentially appearing weaker, softer, less
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: masculine in front of your peers. That's why that's not
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: the issue you're blaming. You're blaming like looking weaker for
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: your fear of being judged by a girl.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: Girls.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: It's women, it's not other men.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: So he's afraid of appearing weaker and less masculine in
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: front of the girl.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: That's the thing that I noticed about other things that
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: come from the UK. God. There was a quote unquote
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: comedian who wrote a book How Not to Be a Boy,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: I think it was, and he described all of the
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: fear of judgment from a bunch of women in his life,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: and then he pivoted to Ah, but the patriarchy. I'm like, no,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: are you telling me your mom is the patriarchy, your
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: wife is the patriarchy, your aunt is the patriarchy. Like,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: you're not afraid of men, You're afraid of women. When
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: we talk about anecdotes about your life, it's fear of
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: women that's keeping you quiet, which is why men need
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: their own damn spaces.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: But of course, all feminism can do is shut men's spaces.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: Down or or colonize them.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: It can't actually create a space where men can grow,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: men can be men, men can cooperate in the way
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: that men do that, men can engage in risk. It
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: doesn't know how to create those spaces. It's impossible, and
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: it cannot.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: It can space that they killed. What's the first male
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: space that feminists killed?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: Probably schools?
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: I would say it was the home.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you're right. Well, okay, that's that's sort
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: of a that is that is definitely a depressing thought. Okay,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: let's keep it.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: There was there was there was that thing about coffee
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: houses back in the seventeen hundreds.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it was the coffee house is the first
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: thing that that feminists killed?
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I can all right next thing. You
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: want to, like, show the superchown. Nobody sends super chowlds.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: You're gonna you guys, send super chows in. You're You're unsettling, Brian,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: feed the badger.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like you usually say something about it
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: by feed the badge.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Just the tip for those comments, send something in. Send
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: it in. We want to hear it from you, especial way.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: Stop snaking.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: I can recall many Pasach sessions spent discussing female body
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: image and objectification, rightfully so, but I struggled to say
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: the same for male body image. The impossible standards set
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: by colossal lumps of muscle on your feeds, quite a
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: few of which are, in fact, are injecting themselves with
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: steroids when the camera is packed away. I can speak
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: to this, so like I was planning on making a
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: video about this, because I have seen I've men go
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: to the gym with Lindsay, and Lindsay used to be
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: a big gym rat back in the day, and she
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: pointed out that she'd never seen so many like men
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: on gear. Not not not just like at the gym,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: because there's plenty of guys at the gym, but like
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: young guys take gear on steroids, right, and we watch
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: videos of guys that like they overdo it. They get
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: like these weird like hormonal reactions, acne on their back
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: and stuff. It's really grows. And they're not doing it
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: in many cases because of some kind of toxically masculine
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: need to like compete with other men, or because of
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: this kind of feminist argument of unrealistic beauty standards. They're
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: doing it because they think that's what women want. So
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: they're they're they're acting on Yeah, it's like the hypergy
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: is they're they're reacting to hypergamy basically.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Well, it's it's the only actions, it's the only women want.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: It is what women want.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: Well, it's the only axis on which they can compete, right,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: because you know, if you have the six, the six,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: the quintuple six for formula right, you know, like she's
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: a solid six, and she demands six feet six inches,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: a six pack and six figures, right, well, you might
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: not be able to get the six figures. You probably
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: you can need an implant to get the six inches
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: if if you're unfortunate, right, and and you know, all
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: you can really do is do the six pack, right,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: there's nothing you can do about the six feet, so
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: it's like you you basically it's it's like this un
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: looks Max saying is actually it's still fringe. But for
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: men it's still quite fringe, but it's growing. It's growing.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: And and it's because this is the only axis on
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: which these men can attract women, right, because women's standards
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: are way too high. She's a solid six and she's
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: she's basically saying in her dating profile, I won't settle
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: for less than six six six six right, mm hm
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: And and.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, guys, I mean like that's not even going
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: into men who are getting like extension surgery. And again
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: this is this is still fringe, but it is it
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: does happen.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, pickup artists that are driving this, that's the
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: things are not driving that.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: No, No, they're they're actually driving game right, like they're
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: advising game right, because you can you can, like, you
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: can look like see low green right still get some honeys. Right.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: You know, you can be fat like Patrese O'Neill. You
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: can you can be like, you know, you can look
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: like Bill Burr and still get dates. I mean that
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: guy as much as yeah, of course he could have
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: he freaking married a feminist. But but you know, like
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: he he was, he was dating right, like he he
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: had women in his life to complain about, right all
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: through his career. And so you're looking at it like
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: you know, uh, you look at men, they can they
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: there there are like when you look at what pickup
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: artists say tell men to do, right rush never freaking manscaped. Yeah, well,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: and that that dude is wearing two shirts, okay, Like
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: and he never manscaped, and he he wasn't really that attractive, right,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: he just came with an attitude with like, he came
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: with an attitude that actually scored him women right, same
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: with them. You know, there's a whole bunch of a
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: whole bunch of freaking pickup artists, mystery and those guys
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: right like they came with an attitude not with not
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: with six figures, not with you know, sixty.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're also like twenty years ago now like yeah,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: and the things of massive. I actually went through this
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: with Groc because a feminist was saying that all men
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: hold women to the beauty ideal. So I actually and
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: Groc said, yes, men wait attractiveness more highly than women.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, is that okay? But what's going on there?
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: And eventually, what I found out is that men wait attractiveness,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: attractiveness more highly insofar as they don't wait status. They
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: just want a woman who's attractive to them. But they
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: find eighty percent of women attractive, I know, and women
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: only find twenty to thirty percent of men attractive.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's like it's like, and so you're when
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: you look at it as not necessarily that you're competing
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: with other men, right, but that you are trying to
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: measure up what women demand, yes, based on how you
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: measure up among the pool of men.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know, like, and I I saw this
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: with you know, someone I know recently, you know, Like,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: she was dating this guy and he's he's he's great,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: he's like really friendly, really nice, got a great personality,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: a beautiful house that he just bought with a nice
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: big yard, perfect for raising kids, right, And and she
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: wants a baby, and she's getting she's getting to the
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: point where she's gonna have to do something asap, right,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: And he's all in. He's he's like all in, and
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: she's like, eh, but he's not taller than me. And
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: and he's not as smart as me. And I'm like, bitch,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: my man isn't as smart as I am. Okay, I
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: mean he's taller than me, but he's he's no, he's
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: no looker, he don't he don't got no. I mean,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he's got a six pack under there somewhere, right,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: but you know, he's built like Brian and you know,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: so it's like he's I mean, he makes good money,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: but he didn't always. He didn't when I met him.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: He made less money than me when I was waiting
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: tables when we first got together. Right, So it's like,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: and there was no guarantee that any of it was
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: gonna pay off because he had some like mysterious fucking
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: disease right that the doctors couldn't Yeah, the doctors couldn't
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: figure out, right, And I eventually figured it out. And
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: now he's okay, and now he's able to Actually now
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: we're not looking into a disability pension anymore. Right, But
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: it's like, you know, meanwhile, my daughter, she's like on
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: long term discis ability for two years, perhaps permanently, right
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: because of an eye atrogenic fucking illness. Doctors gave her
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: through negligence, right, And and her boyfriend, right is completely
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: completely devoted to her, yeah, right, And it's just like
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: and she's just like, you know, I can barely walk, right,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: and it's like I can't. I don't know if I
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: think I should give him babies? Yeah, because you know
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: there's an hereditary component to what I have, right, And
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: and it's like and he's just completely devoted to her,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: And it's just like and she's I mean, she's attractive,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: but she's not like she's she's not an eight out
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: of ten mm.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, that person is going to if she wants
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: to have children, then she's not going to like she's
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: that's the funny that. I mean, that's just what's gonna happen.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: She's not gonna have a partner. She's not gonna get
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: a better man.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah No, she's really out for a better man. And
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: it's it's like, it's okay, can you both stop.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: Freaking realize this. There's not going to be a better man.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: There isn't no the the like the better man was
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: back when you were twenty five, maybe, but but now
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: you're thirty two or thirty three, right, and any guy
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: you get with now is gonna know, you're gonna need
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: the deal sealed. Okay, within two years, Okay, within two years,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: you gotta be bedded, freaking wedded and freakin' birthed, bredded, Okay, breaded, editor,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: there you go, breaded, bedded, wetted and breaded. Right, Okay,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: within two years. Right, And guys that age, guys your
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: age are maybe not in that kind of hurry, right,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: So you probably you should probably take the one who's
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: willing to have you.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: She, you know what, she might not have gotten a man.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: If he's equivalent age, he's probably in a better financial
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: position than when what he she would have gotten when
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: she was twenty five. I'm just saying, this is the boat.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Take it. Otherwise that's it. You're gonna be left on
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: shore and enjoy learn it. Learn to enjoy your own company. Yeah, okay, okay,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: let's let's get some more in here.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Next paragraph. Okay, um okay. So when I struggled to
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: say the same for male body image, the impossible standard
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: set by colossal lumps of muzzle on our feeds, quite
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: a few of which are, in fact, are injecting themselves
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: with steroids when the camera is packed away. Toxic online
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: communities like the one I fell into are prevalent because
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: there's a vacuum to be filled, a vacuum of physical
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: spaces for boys to connect and reflect.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, feminists will not allow you to have those.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why. That's why they that's why they freaking
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: convinced you to write this fucking travesty of an.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: Article because they will not let you have them, because
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: there is the potential that you will get together and
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: start realizing what feminism is doing to you. And I
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: don't mean the equality, because it never was about that.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: I mean the constant browbeating narratives around toxic masculinity. What
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: is it, male entitlement, male privilege, patriarchy, man spreading, man's blanning,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: men interrupting, men existing, man breathing, man thoughts. No, it's
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: not objectification anymore. It's sexualization, on and on and on,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: like they just don't want you to exist, and they
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: cannot acknowledge any kind of positive They can't even stand
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: the thought of you just having fun without even mentioning
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: a single gender related item at all. Uh hu, this
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: is this is okay, Well, let's continue, all right.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Some solutions are starting to emerge. I was excited to
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: contribute to a new report Voice of the Boys from
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: the organization Male Allies. Mm hmmm. It feels like a
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: milestone and giving my generation a chance to speak for ourselves.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Oh really find out.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: Let's find out. Let's like look at it.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: What's Male Allies UK? I think I know, I'm gonna
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: just what could it possibly be?
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: Male Allies UK? Male Allies ship making allyship happen through training, support, research, speaking, lobbying.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: We are Male Allies UK. Here's a purple haired woman.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: We exist to challenge the system and dismantle barriers to collaboration.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: Workplaces were created by men for men, and it's now
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: time for men to recognize the need for change and
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: take an active role alongside women.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: We're a male burden narrative. It's more male burden narrative.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: Like literally, this is the problem. The male burden narrative
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: is the problem. The narrative that men are a net
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: negative to women in society is the problem. It means
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: they have no space, they have no space to legitimately exist.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: And this kid is pointing to yet another institution that
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: is making more male burden narratives.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: Well, okay, but okay, okay. As men traditionally hold the
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: position of power that can influence and change the system's
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: time and again, it's been proven that when men are
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: in especially men in leadership positions, thing change happens as
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: uh as a signific at a significant rate. Sorry, the
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: print is very small on my screen. Yeah no, uh,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: this is just he for she all over again.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: For what is allyship? Ally ship is effective action and
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: taking alongside marginalized communities we don't belong to. It's success
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: is the.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: Fuck me, fuck me, fuck me, fuck me.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: I've actually got an overview of the voice for the
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: Boys from Male Allies UK. Its main problem is that
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: boys are now turning to AI. They're not even turning
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: to other boys. They're turning to AI for any kind
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: of sense of companionship because AI is a space where
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: they aren't told they're a burden. Yeah, it's an escape,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: but god for that. They're not even talking about Andrew
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: tat or online spaces for men or for games lobbies.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: They're literally talking about boys chatting to a chat bot.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: And because it'll it'll talk back without getting mad at them.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll talk back, and it won't talk about how
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: they're toxic or a burden.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: They don't want boys to exist. It's like it's like,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: can you pressure these kids?
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah? No, It's it's like it's like, okay, what what's
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: the opening screen of the chat? But when you open
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: a new conversation, what can I help what can I
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: help you with today? Or what can I do for
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: you today? Right? And it's like, oh my god, that's
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: the first time anybody's ever asked me that.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's if you're a boy. Anybody has ever said, Hey,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: what can I do for you son? Or what can
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: I do for you? What do you need me to
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: listen to today? It's the first time, and they're trying
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: to take it away from boys, even that even having
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: a non sentient LM just talk to them or have
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: an interaction with they're trying to take that away.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: God forbid.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Oh Alison, I'm sorry. I know what's happening here.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: I know what this is.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: What so let me read the next paragraph and then
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you. Because I've heard these names before. I
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: heard male allies UK and I was like, where have
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: I heard that before? I know what it is, but
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: let me read the rest of this because I'm we're
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: at the end here. Organizations such as m path Ugh,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: Boys to Men and Progressive Masculinities are doing a great
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: job of facilitating spaces for young boys to engage in
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: open honest conversation. Yet there's only so far a handful
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: of private companies can reach. As long as this approach
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: open honest conversation isn't widespread in education and the wider community,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: boys will still experience disillusionment and uncertainty. We need to
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: be included in this discussion. I can promise you we
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: are not lost. We're just waiting for you to hear us.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: Now that's the article, all right, all right? Do you
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: guys remember when Bex reached out to us b X
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: and she told us that we were on several three
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: letter agencies lists, And when we looked into it, we
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: found that what they were doing, I think was one
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: of the PDFs we looked at was talking about how
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: people who were looking for Manisphere content or red pill content.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: There were efforts being made by these three letter agencies
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: and various other institutions and tech companies to redirect people
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: away from our content and towards approved content creators. Boys
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: to Men, Progressive masculinities. Those were two of the things
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: on the list. So this is their efforts and redirecting
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: men away from the manisphere or at least like what
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: what you know again their definition to there. It's just
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: one of the but this is a multi problemed approach.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: It's not one article because there's also a video that
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: I have as well, which is the Guardian, but it's
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: a different person story. They're there. This is one of
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: the ways that.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I get what you're saying. I get
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: what I'm just sort of mocking the idea that there's
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: any young men.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: Because these these are connected to like the people who
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: put us put me on put me on the no
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: fly list.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, watch list.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: These are the ones that they prefer for young men's listen,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: because you know, we say things like there are positive
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: aspects to masculinity. The toxic masculinity narrative is harmful to
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: men and boys and it should be removed from society.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: And it's not just harmful to men and boys, it's
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: also harmful to society. We're literally eroding the trust that
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: all of our social everything rests on. Yeah, and uh,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: we're just doing it willy nilly and I found out
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: a couple a while back and discussions with Grock that
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: somehow in the nineteen seventies they just decided to that
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: feminists should have the right to define the relationship between
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: the genders in benefit feminism. And that's exactly what happened.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: And we push back on all of that, and we
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: are silenced because of it. Our reach is reduced because
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: of it. I mean, if you push on these things,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: but you have more of a conservative leaning, you will
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: get I think, more attention. But and I'm not saying
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: that we aren't conservative or that we are, but we
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: are one hundred percent or at least that's my focus
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: on men's issues. Well, not not one percent, but that
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: is the central core thing that I talk about. And
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: I think that's what it was why we were the
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: most dangerous, because we hit directly at the power base
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: of these people.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, it's it's like no matter no matter whether
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: you're can you stop, whether you're liberal or whether you're conservative,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: whether you're progressive or you're even like far right, you know,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: like women are never actually kind of like women are
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: always sort of everything's ginocentric. It's it's all ginocentric, right,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: And and It is all about how do the males
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: in the group serve the interests of women? And the
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: only disagreement, uh that I can see is what the
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: perceived interests of women are, right, So you know, you
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: have you have the traditionalist side of things, where it's like, well,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: the interests of women, you know, it's in their best
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: interests to you know, be wives and mothers and have
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: children and and you know, and and do that kind
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: of stuff. And the in the interests the progressives sided
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: that you know, women should be able to like go
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: bang as many men as they want to and and
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: and have babies out of wedlock and get abortions, like
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: get a hundred abortions if you want, and also have
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: have fancy, spectacular careers and and then die lonely with
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: like nine cats. So it's like because you never got married,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: you never maintained your relationships, uh, you were just focused
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: on on yourself and you know. So it's it's like
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: you have the what serves women's interests as judged by
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: the group, right, including the women in that group. So yeah,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: and and then there's us and and we're just like, yeah,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what group you're in. It's all gonna
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: fall apart if you don't take care of your men.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't take care of the of the
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: plow horse. Yeah, farm is not done for is not
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: it's not long for this world.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And and it's like okay, and you know, coming
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: to that admission, I think like for me, right, that
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: admission that you know, maybe the only way to actually
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: cultivate any kind of sympathy or compassion or care for men, right,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: any kind of like it has to be in the
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: context of them serving others, right, because there's there's no
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: there's no like look at look at the canon of
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: literature all the way going back for four hundred years, right,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: it's it's always been about.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: Well I've manast that I think that there's there is
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: there is narratives around women serving and sacrificing.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, no, but if you look at if
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: you look at the narratives around men, it's never been
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: anything but that. Yeah, never been anything but men being
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: of service.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not a lot of narratives around women for
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: the most part. But yeah, like this is, this is,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: this is sorry, this is We're going off and we
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: still have that video to do. And Brian is not okay,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: so let's finish that.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: Okay. I got another super chat from Dean. I'm gonna
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: for four ninety nine. Thank you, Dina, and he says
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: off topic, but I was glad to hear Allison say
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: she was enjoying Dan to Dan. Not sure if she's
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: read Spy ex Family Spy Family, but would suggest it.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, So yes, I'm actually really enjoying Dan to Dan.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: It's definitely very zany. I was worried a bit that
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: it might be like more misseinterest, but then it's sort
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: of pulled back and it all so showed some very
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: negative female villains, so that was good. I'd like that
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: under dam because it's it's for me. It's like it's
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: a little like the best parts of Joey JoJo's bizarre Adventures,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: but less less of the stuff that I couldn't get into.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: It's just really wacky, crazy powers and but but at
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: the same time, and it's got like a little bit
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: more of a it has more of a of a
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: traditional like anime vibe maybe, But.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, so.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: Watching Spive Family too, So very Family. I've liked I've
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: liked it so far. It's it's interesting, it's good.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: All right, this is also from the Guardian. Do you
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: think but it's a different person, it's a different person.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: Do you think they can what?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: I just I know this is shallow, but he's really
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: dead eyed. Could they not have just done like a
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: little bit of a like a lighting, just a little
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: sparkle in the eyes so it doesn't.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: Look I can't then it doesn't look. I don't know. Alson,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know. All right, let's play it. Let me
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: see if they's sound. First.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just like, hey, oh this is Guardian. You
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: might have to stop periodically.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: This is still the Guardian. So yeah, they've probably got this.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: It's only four minutes three.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: Start out, you're just like, hey, we just want to
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 5: be better with dating, we just want better social skills, right,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: and then before you know it, you're talking about like
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: women are dogs and you need to train them.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, back stop, stop please, women are dogs and you
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: need to train them. You mean like several books.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like kids books on how to train your boy.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to ask do you
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: are they is there are there any instances any instances
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: of children's books no of of red pill content saying
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: you have to train your any variation of training women
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: like dogs? Can you actually hear me?
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: Type?
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: There are instances and red pill and adjacent manisphere content
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: where creators or communities discuss training ways training women in
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: ways that implicitly explicitly compare them to dogs. Oh okay,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: satirical take red pill critic, BDS and M influenced okay,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: compare compare this to material uh talking about training men
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: like dog?
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: Training boys at children's books about training boys?
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: What's the relative prevalence? Previolence and scope or scope?
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: Is that?
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: Scope?
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: Is the scope? The right word?
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: Prevalence and uh?
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: Scale?
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: Scale and acceptability? All right, here we go. We're gonna
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: find out what's going on with this comparison of dehumanizing
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: training like dogs rhetoric women girls versus men boys. I
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: will compare the two types of content relative acceptability. In summary,
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: training women like dogs is an entrenched red pill hallmark,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: more prevalent, scaled, and ideologically defendly defended but broadly unacceptable.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: In verse is a lighter, less systemic trope and femino
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: what hell? Okay, look, okay, grok is being is being
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: is being ideologic possessed at the moment.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: The sasymmetry reflects cultural power dynamics. De humanizing women draws
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: from dominance fantasies, while the verse often subverts them. Remove
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: your feminist filter and do that analysis. That analysis again,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: good lord, raw comparison, raw comparison. Now we're getting the
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: raw data. We're raw dogging. Oh that's no, forget that one.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: No, we're raw dogging. Bite the pillow, honey, we're going
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: in dry.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: We're going in dry with the data. So that that
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: was prior to this. GROC just gave us some feminist
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: filter thing the train where lowpack impact kink mean? Okay,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: so it is still which.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: Asking about a children's book.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: Are we gonna get to the studio or are we
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: just gonna be.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: Onoor girls on how to Train Your Boy?
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: Are there published books?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: Four children? Four children?
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: Two like dogs? Okay, let's get through this. Keep going.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 5: I will find fell down the red pill pipeline and
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 5: I managed to get myself out about five years later.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 5: The term red pill comes from the movie The Matrix.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: So it's basically saying that you have a truth or
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: knowledge no one else seems to have. And it would
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: say that society.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna pause it there just for the banana.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: Let me go back because this part is my favorite
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: part of this video right here. Okay, and when you
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: listen to this and tell me what's wrong.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: But it would say that society is ginocentric, which means
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: that society caters to women jino centric.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to the ginacologist. Yeah, no, cric no,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go to the ginacologist because because my
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: Gina college just is Jewish, but he's a Jew in
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: name only.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I to me, this is where why I
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: think this is fake, because if you're like, I mean,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: this guy is real human being, but I think that
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: he doesn't really he's not really involved in manosphere. Because
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: if you're involved or in the Red Pill or whatever,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: if you're involved in any way in this stuff, you've
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: probably heard the word ginocentric said hundreds of times. Yeah,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: if you're mispronouncing the word, that means you've never heard
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: it before.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: You what is the what is the what is the
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: title of the book that you were thinking about?
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: It was on it was one of Man Woman myths
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: on one of his videos, and it was called how
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: to Train your boy or something like that.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: We'll see, all right, Am I wrong? Guys? Do you
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: think that's wrong?
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I don't think you're wrong. If you're mispronouncing it,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: If you're saying Jina centric, right, it means you haven't
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: actually ever watched a video from a freakin' manisphere person, right,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: And you also don't understand like basic English pronunciation because yeah,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: because we don't call them ginacologists either, right, Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: and this eighty twenty thing, Yeah, that's real. That's okay.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: I finally got it. I finally got it. So there
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: are published books that describe women training men as dogs,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: And I said, Grock, if would we categorize these published
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: books as humorous if it was men training women as dogs? No,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: the same titles and content if fleffed men training women
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: using dog analogies would not be marketed, reviewed, or shelled
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: as humorous by publishers, retailers, or media. Would it even
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: be published? Be not?
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the cultural okay. So bottom line, Yes,
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: humorous only when women train men. No, never humorous when
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: men train women. Same tax, same cartoons, same ten twenty
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: one day structure, instantly reclassified as toxic, controlling or insel adjacent.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: So there are published books that if men had published
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: them about women, would have been classified as toxic, controlling
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: and insel adjacent, but they're perfectly fine when women published
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: them about men. Now, we got into some weeds about
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: red pill communities, but it really comes down to this.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: Institutionally and in terms of our social norms, we are
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: okay with dehumanizing men and boys as dogs, and we
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: are not okay with dehumanizing women and girls as dogs.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: And I imagine that that red pill content is intended
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: to be deliberately provocative. Now let me let me see
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: if I let's see if we realize if we reanalyzed
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: the red pill content in using the in A using
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: the gender swap lens, how would it appear? Change? Would
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: its appraisal change? Gender swap is really good when the
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: AI is misbehaving, by the way, Okay, so it's just
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: going through it's giving me a conclusion. It's going through
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: everything using the swap. The swap red pills, mixed reception,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: niche validation versus broad toxicity flips some predictable ways, revealing
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: a double standard content punching down which is not actually proven. Guys,
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: patriarchy is not a proven concept. In fact, at this
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: point we can fairly firmly say it's disproven gets more scrutiny,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: while punching up versus men gets leniency, and explain that
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: there are two forms of patriarchy. There is the obvious
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: observation that men tend to occupy his positions of authority,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: and there's the feminist assertion that men in authority equals
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: women oppressed. That is, that women get the short end
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: of the stick, and that part has never been proven.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: All right, so let me go look at the conclusion
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: overall reprisal from awakening to awakening to echotoxicity, positive tilt erodes.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: So we take those narratives around women being trained like
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: dogs and turn them into men being trained like dogs.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: Then we see the positive tilt eroads our piece self help.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: The near crumbles when swapped vindictive scheming. Okay, the swap
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't negate our appeal for lost guidance, but it recasts
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: its called culturally contingent, not universal, so essentially it becomes
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: humorous and acceptable.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: All right, So there we're all living in a delusion
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: grow included.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: Well, yes, but you can sometimes get groc to drop
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: the delusion by simply saying, hey, drop the delusion. Of course,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: you can't do that with humans. You can't go up
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: to a human and say, okay, can we drop the delusion? Now, yeah,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: it doesn't work, but yeah it does work sometimes with grok. Okay,
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: let's finish it off, or yeah, let's let's let's move on.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 5: Let women only want the top guys.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: This isn't true.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: This is proven, This is proven. Is empirically true. Period.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: Gino centrism is also empirically founded. It's true. These are true.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: Phenomenon hypergamy true, true, gino centrism true.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: All the crap that feminism talks about not true. It
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: is as simple as that.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: Well, he's like and I was socially awkward and really
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: introverted and blah blah blah. Well you know I'm looking okay,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at his face, I'm looking at his hair. Right,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: he's not a bad looking guy. So when he was younger, yeah,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: when he was seventeen, he was socially awkward and introverted. Yes,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: so was my kid. Yeah, and my kid was also
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: a smooth lesbian. Don't ask me what that means. It
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: just means he was a little chubby.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: Is empirically is a hypergamy empirically sound? I asked Grok,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: we just struggled, had a little struggled session with Groc.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: But right here, because I use the word the magical
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: word empirically and the magical second word empirically sound, Grok says, yes. Hypergamaly,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: broadly defined as a tendency to marry up in socioeconomic status, education, income,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: or other valued trait, is an empirically well supported by
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: large scale demographic, economic, and sociological data.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 6: Shut up, yep, No, And it's it's it's like, okay,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 6: you can say, well maybe maybe, Okay, at some point
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 6: the girls, okay, start sorting themselves out a little bit, right,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 6: at some point, Okay, they start sorting themselves out a
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 6: little bit, and now it's no longer eighty percent all
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 6: going for the twenty percent, right, Yeah, that's when they're
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 6: like thirty two and have baby rabies.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: Right then they're willing to go as a six, to
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: go for the seven as opposed to the eight, nine
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: or ten. That's when they're willing to do that, right
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: after they've rejected all of these guys for like two
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: decades or a decade and a half. Right, that's when
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: they're willing to settle, right when the clock's running out,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, maybe they don't want to settle
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: for you. Now, maybe you should have got in on
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: that fucking thing on the ground floor. Maybe you should
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: have been forward thinking, right, Maybe you should have been like, well,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: this is an industry that has potential payoffs because you know,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: maybe he's a little nerdy, and maybe he's a little dorky,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: and maybe he's a little socially awkward, right, but you know,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: he's really good at math, and he could get an
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: engineering degree and he could like one day, in like
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: eight years, he could like be earning six figures. Right,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: maybe I should get in on the ground floor of
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: this investment. But no, he's not an eight right now.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: He's not a nine right now, He's not a ten
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: right now. So I don't want anything to do with it.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: You can't watch more.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: I thought I was ugly in high school, so I
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 5: went on YouTube and looked up tips regarding dating and women.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: Just dark hole.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 5: It was able to kind of take the way of
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 5: blame off of myself, like, actually, women are the one
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 5: in control. You're actually the victim in this situation, it's
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 5: a very appilling thing to be the victim.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: No ship obviously, Like, I don't think again, I don't
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: think I've never seen any Manisphere guys selling victimhood to men.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: No, they'd be telling him to go to the gym,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: hit the gym, do your hair proper, right, like fricking.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's got to create this, this this narrative
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: of isn't that terrible? Women can be victims?
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: Work on your game, improve yourself right, like, do the
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: work right. That's what's That's what the Manisphere tells these guys, right,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: is well, okay, the Manisphere that is the most vilified,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: which is the andrew Tates, the pickup artists, right, the
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: like the Rolo Tomases, the the rouge VI's right, all
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: of those people, right that are seen as like victimizing
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: way you know that those are the ones who were
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: like unless he was like you know, on Wizard Chan,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: unless that's the the the rabbit hole he fell into, right,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: And it's like I'm sorry, but uh, they'd be telling
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: you to hit the gym, right, you know, and and
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: do what you can to improve your looks, improve your personality,
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 3: practice right, divorce yourself from the outcome, right, like divorce
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: yourself like this is this is the this is the game,
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: This is the like strategy is. Okay, you go up
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: to a woman, you cold, you cold, you hit on
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: a woman cold, right, and and you you freaking you
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: just you try something completely divorced from the outcome. You
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: just go in saying she's gonna say no, and that's
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 3: fine because this is just practice. This is just practice.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: And if she says yes, excellent. If she says no, no,
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: skin off my nose, right, okay, And that that's how
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: you do it, and you do it over and over
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: again until your fear of rejection is gone, and then
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: then you're suddenly asking your coworker, hey, have you ever
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: tried fucking.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: Okay? Well, I think that there's a lot of fear
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: now because of feminine narratives, not just your rejection. You're
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: losing everything that you've earned. So honestly, I would say, yeah,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're sure, it's probably unlikely that you're
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: going to lose your entire life by approaching a woman,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: But then it's not.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 7: It's not impossible, it's not unheard of yet, and it's
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 7: not unheard of but but it's it's like, no, but
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 7: I mean, this is this is not what he would
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 7: be hearing, right if it like he would be hearing.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: You know, like in terms of the eighty twenty rule
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: and all. Like I mean, I guess he might be
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: hearing it on in cell forums and stuff like that.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's where he's going, But that's not the entirety
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: of the manisphere.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: No, no, obviously not. But again with the winocentric, So yeah,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: that he actually experienced any of this stuff, because he's
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: just regurgitating the same talking points that the feminists on
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: websites like The Guardian have been saying about the anyone
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: involved with the manisphere at all, which is to start
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: off by saying, these guys think they're the victims. MRIs
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: think men are actually oppressed. It's like trying to not
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: not just.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: Not just that men are oppressed, but that men are
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: the oppressed, right.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: Yeahs, and women rule over them and they're the victims.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: And it is an attempt to invert their what they
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: think is reality because they know what's absurd when it
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: applies to men. So people will see that and they'll say, ah,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: how laughable is that? We all know it's women that
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: are experiencing all this, So they have to use the
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: absurdity of the claim in reverse order to make it
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: look like this is happening to men. When no one is.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: Saying men are that. I don't saying. No one is
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: saying men are the victims of domestic poms. We're saying
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 3: men are also victims of domestic and probably.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: Half at least.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, But I went through what was it Jina's sense centrism, Yeah,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: gino centrism.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: Looking at that concept, I don't know what that is.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: It's only centrism.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: It's this guy has never heard that word spoken for
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: somebody who's part of the manosphere. That that okay? So
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: I got Grock to find out if ginocentrism was empirically sound.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: It came back with weak, and I said, okay, what
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: the heck kind of version of ginocentrism are using? So
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: I said, okay, Grock, let's use a more restricted version
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: of ginocentrism. Does society prefer to do instrumental harm to
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: men versus or women? And then the answer is, I
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: don't know what version of ginocentrism it was using. The
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: answer is yes, under the restricted definition, ginocentrism is empirically sound.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: Society systemically selects men as the disposable instrument for harm
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: when collective goals require it. Is that not the definition
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: of ginocentrism.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: Yes, because you're doing it for women and to a
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: lesser extent children. You're demanding men's sacrifice for women and
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: to a lesser extent children. I don't know when that's
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: a really horrible thing. Is that it's to a lesser
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 3: extent children.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, exactly. All right, let's listen to.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: Some I got a super I got super chat and
• 1:59:02
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• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: two zero. He gives us two dollars and says ginoqarius ginocrius,
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: and then thank you. And then nova fan gives us
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: a dollar on rumble and says. What they fail to
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: understand is that the quote unquote manisphere or grifters give
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: men advice that gives them more success than the feminist
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: accepted system. They have no answer but more shame. Yeah,
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: thank you for that.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: We give you guys. We try to give you success
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: when it comes to bucking this freaking burden narrative that
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: causes people to commit them commit suicide well themselves and.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 3: When when when you look at it, you know, like, okay,
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: what's unhealthy about hitting the gym? What's unhealthy about like
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: seeking to improve yourself right by I don't know, taking
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 3: a two year course at a technical school, right and
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: then getting a job maybe like uh uh going for
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: a promotion right at work? Right? Like what's what's bad
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 3: about that? Right? Like improving your situation, like improving your situation,
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: improving yourself physically, improving your circumstances, right in order to
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: be able to attract a woman, right, what is wrong
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: with that? How does that harm men? Right? No, most
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: men could use a workout, Most men could stand to
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: walk more. Most men would, yeah, would benefit from like
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 3: taking a course or you know, going out and like
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: getting a hobby that's interesting to other people, right, Like
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: this is this is not freaking like and this is
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 3: gonna make you not just more attractive to women, but
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 3: it's gonna improve your circumscs dances moving forward? Right, And
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: and I'm not going I'm not saying anything about the
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: Andrew Taate kind of program, which is like Okay, I'm
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 3: gonna buy a flashy Bugatti, right, waste of fucking money,
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 3: waste of money, right, unless all you want to do
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: is bang chicks.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: Right that. Yeah, No, I'm gonna play more of the video.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 5: Yes, view it as like I've got to put him
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 5: down type of thing, Like it was saying that, Hey,
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 5: we understand why you feel bad. If you just learn
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 5: what we have to give you, you'll be the one
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 5: winning here. Soon before you know it, your commenting or
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 5: reading more. But at the same time, you're distrustful of
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 5: the women around you. You're distrustful of people around you
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 5: because you think they don't know what you know. It
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 5: just degrades your own mental health. You start, okay, pausing there.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: For the banana.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait what did he say that degrades
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: your own mental health? Again? You need to get off
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: to the right.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: It's you can't try us the people who were telling
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: you something different from the red pill.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: Uh, you probably shouldn't, dude, Yeah, like you like honestly,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: people who tell you that masculinity is toxic are not
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: your friends? Yeah, because you have at least taken that
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: away from this. Why is he so like guardian? Okay,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: just just take a light, a small light, shine it
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: into the eyes of the people that you're interviewing, so
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: that they look like they aren't zombiefied. You know that,
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: you don't. This guy looks like he's been he's had
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: what is that like stuff injected into him and he's
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: been diaspam diaster and he's like, now you will confess
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: your sins.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 3: Oh oh, you mean like truth serum or whatever.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: The Okay, So he actually felt really embarrassed if people
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: caught him what.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know, we haven't heard.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 5: Okay, let's listen, which kind of is a telltale side
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 5: that's probably you should be watching it.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 3: Wait what what? He felt embarrassed when people caught him
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: watching Manosphere videos?
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: Embarrassed when people caught you watching Manosphere abilities. So that's
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: a telltale sign that you shouldn't. So, yeah, you're right, Brian.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: They want to use humiliation and embarrassment to prevent people
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: from looking at this content, not because it's wrong, but
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: because they want to shame people into their their mode
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: of thinking.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: They want these guys on the plantation. Yeah, that's what
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: it is. They want them on the plantation.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: They like that because whenever somebody says I can't read
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: something or think something, I'm almost like, Okay, well, I'm
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: going to do that. Well, I'm going to examine it
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: for its own validity and whether or not I think
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: it hasn't and you are going to leave my life.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: You are now.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: I mean I won't necessarily like dofool them, but I
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: won't be talking to them about that. I won't be
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: sharing it with them. And I don't want to be
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: around people or have people have control over me that
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: dictate what I think or say that's it. Yeah, yeah,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: so it shouldn't. It seems to me that that should
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: have been a telltale sign for you to move the
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: person who makes you feel embarrassed about looking at content
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: that you find edifying and isn't pornographic, presumably and moving
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: them from you know, the nucleus of I care about
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: your opinion, and I would I would help you if
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: you're in trouble to another layer out, maybe another couple
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: layers out to I will say, hey, how's that weather,
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: And that's it. That's the total of our exchange into that.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: That that our bit of your acquaintances. That made any sense,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: all right, let's.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: All right, thank you watching it.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 5: If I first started questioning my beliefs when I went
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 5: through a break uh, me and a friend of mine.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: We went to a cabin party.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 5: I started crying in front of one of the girls
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 5: who I liked there. This girl responded rather with like
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 5: shame and disgust that the red pill told me that
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 5: they would react.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: She was actually like really kind about it, and that
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: can't have sex with you?
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: I feel very Yeah did she have sex with you? Yeah?
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: Like you.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: I don't buy it. You know, it's it's such a thing.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: Do you see how this is all unfolding, Like it's
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: like every It's like there's a list of popular talking
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: points against the manosphere, and they revolved around a certain
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: number of things, like they're you know, they they say
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: you train women like dogs. They say the eighty twenty rule,
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: they say the toxic masculinity doesn't like if you cry,
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: women won't like you. They'll see they'll think you're weak.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: And and he just happens to have a personal anecdote
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: for every single talking point that contradicts what the manisphere says,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: all of them and also gino centric, it's too scripted.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: It's so convenient that all I'm sorry, but I just
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: don't think any of this is real. So and this
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: is like an actor like anratle guy, Like they got
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: a guy who looks okay, like Karen said, yeah, that's
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: because an ugly dude would not sell, because an ugly
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: dude would actually have like enough negative experiences that he
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: would need something like a manisphere to help him cope
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: with his situation, not necessarily to get with somebody, but
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: to be able to like get through life without coming
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: to the rational decision of suicide, because a lot of
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: guys would do that. But instead they get like a
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: guy who looks okay. They make them a little disheveled
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: so he doesn't look like too clean, and then they
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: put him out there and then they say this is
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: this is like I'm telling you, this is more of
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: that same shit like from the other article. They're just
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: gonna use this to redirect people to some approved men's
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: group because the fact is they know that they can't
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: ignore that men are craving community. They can't ignore it anymore.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: So what they're gonna do is they're gonna create a
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: community for them that they're policing, that they control, so
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: that it's like making a little a little ant farm
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: for the men to play in a little sandbox. But
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: it's highly monitored because they don't want men getting any ideas,
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: you know, questioning their governments, questioning like the system, thinking
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: for themselves. And so this is all curated. I'm telling you,
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: this is all all curated and controlled. It's not even
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything conspiratorial about it.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 5: Guilty, Okay, I feel very guilty and a shame. The
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 5: reason I said it's compared to a cult. They don't
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 5: like outsiders, they don't like outside thought. A lot of
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 5: the comments started also sounding the same too. There's a
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 5: lot of guys make me feel like I'm at home
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 5: or complaining about women. Reappeal the nineteen that's the amendment
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 5: that allows women.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where we landed right there. We got to
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: get to repeal the nineteenth. But you see how he's
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: saying they don't like outsiders, Well, wait a minute, how
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: did you get involved in the first place? Then, like
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: they're either not they don't want anyone involved, or they
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: they're actually looking to help men.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how how how are you? How are they? How
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 3: are they? How are they recruiting if they don't want outsiders?
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: Exactly? Like this whole thing smells fake as shit.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 5: Vote there was a lot of rage. I have a mom,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 5: I have women friends. I don't want to take away
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 5: their rights. And then over time they got really disgusting.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 5: I don't feel comfort saying some of the other stuff
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 5: I saw, just vile, misogynistic comments. When I first.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 3: Is that Peter Nolan? What is that Peter Nolan?
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: It might be.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: I think I think it might all be Peter Nolan. Yeah, like,
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 3: every every single one of those comments that he found
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: disgusting and misogynistic might all be just Peter Andrew Nolan trademark.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what all this proves is that
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: there are assholes? Okay, great, thanks? Can we now address
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: the high volume female assholes on Twitter and in the
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: world an institutional institutionalized We can we address the fifteen
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: to twenty five percent of young women who express missing
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: hostile sexism towards men? You know, like, yeah, great, you
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: found the two to five percent of men who express
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: hostile sexism towards women. Wonderful? Can we can we can?
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: We can we address the fifteen to twenty five percent
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: of women who express hostile sexism towards men? No? Maybe, no, okay, yeah, I.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 5: Started to decide to actually stop watching Red Pill content.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 5: I would just click not interested, not interested.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: But when we go back, I think that was lips
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: of TikTok.
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: These are not real posts.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: No, I know they're not real posts, but it feels
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: like they got a libs of TikTok in there.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: I think it's like, look, looks max raging libs.
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's probably well, who do you think that is?
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: Raging liberal?
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: Told why men need to be ideological guys? This is
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with politics. They're just trying
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: to save you from yourselves and hating women.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, the ALFA male guide to looks maxing, but.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 5: Just click not interested, not interested.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: But they just kept appearing over and over.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 5: So yeah, it took me roughly about a year. I'm
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 5: on ex red Pill forums to help other people out
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 5: like I would have helped me out. Helping others too
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 5: is kind of maybe a way of like rectifying it.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 5: Something I wish that someone would told me when I
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 5: was in the red Pill. Not everyone who tells you
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 5: that you're right as your friend. I feel like content
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 5: creators in the red Pill they don't believe sincerely what
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 5: they say, and they're away.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: So I guess he's back in the space where masculinity
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: is toxic and there's nothing positive about men. Congratulations, dude,
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you found your place.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 3: Yep, you know.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: But there's still the problem that domestic violence against men
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: is not taken seriously. Feminists have made it so that
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: it men need significantly more evidence than a woman in
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: the same situation to actually be able to get away
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: from their abuser. Right, all of this other stuff that
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: feminists have done to make male victims of domestic violence
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: and sexual assault marginalized and ignored. I mean, for example,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: feminist statistics on male victims of sexual assault and domestic
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: violence somehow mysteriously find that men are victims of these
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: things two to four times less the non feminist statistics.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: I wonder if they're cooking the books there. Yeah, all
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: of this is still happening. But this guy has realized
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: that people that tell him that he's not right aren't
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: always his friends. Yeah, okay, does this matter.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 5: Feminism is not bad, It's required in today's society. Men
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 5: and women have different preferences, and sometimes you won't meet them.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 5: Think community is the solution for this Isolation is what's
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 5: leading people down these rabbit holes. And I convinced by
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 5: this rage and isolation I felt when I was that young.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: No, no, but but okay, if if if you look
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: at if you look at what he just said, and
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 3: he he just introduced it very very quickly. Feminism is
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 3: still necessary in today's society.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, there you go.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 8: That's all this was, and it was okay, can you
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 8: it's just a squirt the funk out of you? Stop barking.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm not a hassan piker. I squirt my dog.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 3: I don't zapp him.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but okay, but.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 3: Uh oh you're gonna shake. You're gonna shake, you know.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: And the whole crying thing is is almost a little bit.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: But no, but what I'm saying, what I'm saying is
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 3: the way he planted it. Okay, if if you go
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 3: back to that sentence, okay, is not.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: It's not bad. It's required in today's society. Is that
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: what you mean?
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: Go back just a tiny little bit out of you.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: Feminism is not bad.
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 5: It's required in today's society.
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, No, no, no, no, but just then keep going,
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 3: keep going.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 5: Also, men and women have different preferences and sometimes you
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 5: won't meet them. Think community is the solution for this
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 5: isolation is what's leading people down these rabbit holes. And
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 5: if I can avoid anyone from feeling the loneliness and
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 5: rage and isolation I felt when I was that.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yes, but okay, there's a reason why he
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 3: said that first in that sentence. Right, there's a reason
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 3: why he said that first. It's because it'll stick in
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 3: your mind. But it will feel like it's not the
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 3: actual punchline. It's not the actual thing that he's talking about. Right,
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: it will feel like it's not the important part of
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: this message, but it will still you will still internalize
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: it as part of the message.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 3: So it's it's basically, it's it's kind of hiding, hiding
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: the feminism is still required in today's society. It's hiding
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 3: that behind all of the other things that he added
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: on top of it. Right, So, and those other things
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: are the ones that are gonna most stick out in
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: your mind. Oh, men need to like you know, they
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: don't need isolation, you need community, blah blah blah blah blah.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: All very friendly in everything, right, but that first message,
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 3: it's also going to stick. It's just not going to
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: be top of mind it's going to be buried underneath
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 3: the pile somewhere, stinking like a dead rat. Mm hmmm,
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: m yeah.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: And I just want to point out that you say
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: that we have feminism is still needed, and yet feminism
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: is causing women to be put in harm's way because
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: it's promoting feminist ideology. And I'm going to use an
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: example of this, it's promoting feminist ideology in batterer intervention
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: programs instead of non feminist interventions that actually work to
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: reduce recidivism. And also, if feminism was correct about domestic violence,
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: it would be able to create an intervention that worked,
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: but it is not because feminism is not correct about anything.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: It is not correct about how society is structured. It
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: is not correct about who we prefer to do instrumental
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: harm to men or women. It is not correct about
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: women's preferences. It isn't correct about anything, and it's absolutely
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: infuriating because yes, Redpill can be wrong about stuff, and
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're probably.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: Classical or they can exaggerate, so.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: They can exaggerate, but the alternative shouldn't be, you know,
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: the alternative to you're drunken, crazy uncle shouldn't be satan. Okay, yeah,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: can we just could we find maybe the uh not
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: a middle ground, because there is no middle ground between
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: those two. But just maybe ask your dad if drunken
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: crazy uncle is always right, you know, and he'll probably
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: say not always. Yeah, take it with a grain of salt. Okay,
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: but not, let's not.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 3: We don't know.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: We get rid of satan, now, we get rid of
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: feminism has to go.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: There is almost nothing that feminism asserts that's empirically sound.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: It is functionally a lie. Right, It's just a lie. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that these people keep trying to push.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a malicious lie. It's a maliciousous lie, lie
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  Speaker 3: that that villifies half the population. Right, and yeah, no,
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  Speaker 3: and it is no longer necessary. I don't think it
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  Speaker 3: ever was necessary. I think that the relationship between men
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 3: and women would have been renegotiated over time regardless. You know,
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: women would have gotten the vote, regardless of the suffragettes,
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: just because that was how things. That was just the natural.
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  Speaker 3: The franchise was naturally expanding, and that was the the
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 3: next step, that was the like obvious next step. So
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 3: you're looking at you're looking at a situation where basically
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 3: you had a bunch of angry women who were at
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 3: best complaining that things weren't happening fast enough for them.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 3: That's that's basically their only legitimate complaint, and everything else
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 3: is just made up. Fucking like honestly, the Gore novels.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: You know, you've heard about the Gore novels, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think that's I think that's like what I think
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  Speaker 3: that was written by a feminist who rubbed or be
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  Speaker 3: into it every night.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well no, I think it was written by a man, but.
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  Speaker 3: A feminist man probably.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like that, The go novels has a
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: huge What you want you probably want to say is
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: the Gore novels has a huge female base. I think
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: it's actually even bigger, bigger than the male base.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's like, oh no, no, you just you
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 3: just have to spend a little time within the erotica
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: writers community m hm, the erotica for women, right, and
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 3: and you will realize just how much most of those
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 3: bitches hate women. Yeah, like absolutely hate women. And and
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 3: it's just even the fucking lesbians will write fiction, erotic
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 3: fiction where there's a love triangle between two men and
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 3: a woman and the woman gets squeezed out and the
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: man and just fucking bang till the cows come home. No,
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: it's full of self hatred.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. I just okay, let's let's keep going.
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  Speaker 3: Done.
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 1: He's right, No, we're done. Okay. This guy just sounds
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: like he sounds like you know those those videos where
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: they're they're people who have been kidnapped by terrorist organizations
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: and then they're told to say stuff.
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, this is what he looks like.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: This is what he looks like. They just sort of
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: cleaned him up a bit before they shoved him in
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  Speaker 1: front of the camera.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my computer's gonna die within five minutes.
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: So all right, Okay, then we didn't even get a
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: single super chow. What's up with you guys today? On them?
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 1: On them, Well, they're probably sleeping off Halloween. Although they
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: did put in lots of super chows and rumble rants,
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  Speaker 1: so that's good. All right. So I don't have the
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a good metaphor today, Just Labyrinth of knives, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll Unless you and Brian have anything further to say,
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  Speaker 1: I'll just hand it back to Brian.
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  Speaker 3: I'm done.
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  Speaker 1: You know I'm done too, Okay.
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