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Pitching Ninja: Shohei/Roki breakdown, DS pitchers, Reliever fatigue · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Hey, we've got the great Pitching Ninja with us Rob
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  Speaker 1: Friedman back on Foul Territory. Check out everything Pitching Ninja
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  Speaker 2: Rob.
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  Speaker 1: Great to have you on. I do want to start
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  Speaker 1: with history sho he Otani is going to pitch for
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  Speaker 1: the first time in the postseason, and I just want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that we don't miss the moment and
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  Speaker 1: how cool it is that somebody's going to pitch in
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  Speaker 1: October baseball and still obviously be one of their most
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  Speaker 1: valuable bats. So your expectations for Otani here, and do
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  Speaker 1: you think that they lined him up correctly by putting
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  Speaker 1: him in a spot where he can get the day
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  Speaker 1: off after the first one?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I love it. Anytime you can get
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  Speaker 3: Showha on the bump, it's like Christmas for me, Like
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  Speaker 3: that is fantastic. He's he's been filthy, like I hope
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  Speaker 3: everybody's been paying attention, like arguably as nasty as anybody
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  Speaker 3: on the planet. So yeah, I expect big things out
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  Speaker 3: of them.
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  Speaker 1: And then also I wanted to ask you about Roki
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  Speaker 1: Sasaki and how much you've followed his story throughout the year.
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  Speaker 1: He was one of maybe three that dominated the offseason
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  Speaker 1: headlines for US rob and then it was pretty much
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  Speaker 1: a nothing burger for the entire year due to end
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  Speaker 1: effectiveness and injury. Did you see this coming? And what
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  Speaker 1: are you seeing right now? Isn't this the Rokie that
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  Speaker 1: we expected? Forget it?
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  Speaker 2: Can he do that over five six innings? Whatever?
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  Speaker 1: But right now we were all excited about the fastball
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  Speaker 1: splitter combination, and here it.
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  Speaker 3: Is literally the guy that we expected. There were a
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  Speaker 3: ton of comments. I posted his highlights from his last appearance,
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  Speaker 3: and a bunch of Japanese fans were like, this is
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  Speaker 3: the Roki Sasaki of the two consecutive no hitter type guy,
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  Speaker 3: Like this was what everybody expected.
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  Speaker 4: I noticed a little change in his mechanics.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if any of you all noticed, but
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  Speaker 3: he's got more bend in his back leg now, and
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  Speaker 3: I think he is more glute dominant than quad dominant,
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  Speaker 3: which helped him with his velo. And I'm sure the
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  Speaker 3: Dodgers worked on that while he was struggling and fixed
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  Speaker 3: him in the minor leagues. But he looked fantastic, like
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  Speaker 3: this was the Rokie all of six we all expected.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously see him in a closing role as something new,
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  Speaker 5: but it's not the easiest thing, and kind of piggybacking
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  Speaker 5: on the whole show Hey thing. Are both of these
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  Speaker 5: guys set up to one because the Dodgers want to
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  Speaker 5: make a deep run? Are they set up to recover
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  Speaker 5: and be able to give the team all that the
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  Speaker 5: team's gonna need? Roki in the bullpen? Can he bounce
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  Speaker 5: back from a intense max effort ninth inning and pitch
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  Speaker 5: again in the ninth inning again? Can show Hey bounce
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  Speaker 5: back for Game five? Because that's what you want from
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  Speaker 5: your game one starter.
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  Speaker 3: I have little doubt about show Hey bouncing back. Show
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  Speaker 3: He's been there, you know, he started for forever. He
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  Speaker 3: knows what he's doing and is incredibly talented. Rokie, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a little a little more skeptical of, or a little
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  Speaker 3: more worried, because being a closer in the postseason is
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  Speaker 3: a whole different ballgame. And you know, I know his
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  Speaker 3: mechanics have been fit. I know his stuff looks really good.
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  Speaker 3: But when you got a hostile crowd yelling at you,
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  Speaker 3: all things go to hell. Like I you know, we'll see,
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  Speaker 3: but he looks really good. He looks like he's pitching
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  Speaker 3: well within himself, so I'm optimistic that he'll be good.
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  Speaker 3: His stuff is definitely good enough to play at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the game. But whether he can bounce back
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  Speaker 3: and deal with hostile crowds and stuff like that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we'll see will be Will he turn up his game
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  Speaker 3: like Cam Schlitzler did last night?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that was absolutely ridiculous. There's some names out there
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  Speaker 6: that are just getting well known and for a while
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  Speaker 6: now a guy throwing in the eighth inning first time
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  Speaker 6: ever in the postseason twelve k's dabble a little bit
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  Speaker 6: about him and his performance of you know, what you
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  Speaker 6: thought and what you saw from him, Like, is there
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  Speaker 6: anything you see when he throws that's like above average
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  Speaker 6: or something that you know crosses your mind when you're
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  Speaker 6: watching a guy like Cam Schlitzler throw.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The big thing that I saw was he dominated with
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  Speaker 3: three different variations of his fastball, so you couldn't sit
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  Speaker 3: on one. I mean, at its four seam fastball, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: throw a two seamer off that, and then hitters are
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  Speaker 3: you know, getting a little more confused. And then with
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  Speaker 3: his cutter he was able to tunnel them as well
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  Speaker 3: as sequence them really well. And ale an hour. One
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  Speaker 3: hundred miles an hour gets on you real quick anyway,
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  Speaker 3: But when you have to determine whether it's one of
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  Speaker 3: three different variations, that's tough. Because I got asked that
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  Speaker 3: question why can't hitters hit him? And that's a big reason. Also,
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  Speaker 3: he throws so effortlessly and gets one hundred miles an hour,
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  Speaker 3: Like you look at it and the ball just jumps
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  Speaker 3: out of his hand, and I think as a hitter
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  Speaker 3: that probably is somewhat deceptive.
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  Speaker 5: As a pitcher, throwing one hundred miles an hour, you
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  Speaker 5: are going for strikeouts, are we right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, definitely.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody loves the strikeouts.
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  Speaker 4: Everything he's about to.
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  Speaker 5: Face, he's about to face a team that does not
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  Speaker 5: strike out. Does he have the repertoire to be able
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  Speaker 5: to get that weak contact? I know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 5: You know his cutter and I wouldn't even called a sinker.
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  Speaker 5: It was more of a runner. It's running off. So
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  Speaker 5: he's playing all that top plane and the Blue Jays
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  Speaker 5: hit balls at the top plane, high velocity better than
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  Speaker 5: any team. That's why they strike out the least. Does
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  Speaker 5: he have enough to go off that top rail and
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  Speaker 5: go downstairs to get early quick outs with low exit velocity.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's gonna be the cat and mouse game.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna be really interesting how he makes that adjustment,
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  Speaker 3: because you're right, like that team does not strike out
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  Speaker 3: a lot. CAM showed that he had with stuff, but
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  Speaker 3: it's a different animal going against the Blue Jays. I
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  Speaker 3: did notice he did throw some true sinkers and then
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  Speaker 3: some runners.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 3: Is he gonna throw more of that? Is he gonna
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  Speaker 3: rely on his cutter to get some weak contact? You know,
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  Speaker 3: jam some folks maybe like I'll be interested to see
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  Speaker 3: how they game plan because it's gonna be really interesting.
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  Speaker 6: I want to talk a little bit about because we
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  Speaker 6: were talking about this when you came on here, the
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  Speaker 6: ABS system. What are your thoughts on it? And you know,
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  Speaker 6: people always find you we saw the final strikeout and
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  Speaker 6: well not the final the out to Bogart's yesterday, the
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  Speaker 6: pitch that was really down low. I would love to
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  Speaker 6: hear your thoughts and what you think about it moving forward?
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  Speaker 6: Is there more we could do? Do you like the
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  Speaker 6: two pitch calls?
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  Speaker 2: Like you do?
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  Speaker 6: You think this is the way to go?
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  Speaker 3: I thought your feedback was really good because I could
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  Speaker 3: see it going to three. But I don't want a
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  Speaker 3: full automated strike zone. I think it just takes it
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  Speaker 3: makes the game too mechanical. No one wants to see
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  Speaker 3: it played by robots. I love the what it does
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  Speaker 3: to catcher skills, like in the in the preseason you
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  Speaker 3: had cal Rawley making I think he called he got
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  Speaker 3: eight consecutive challenges right, So it creates another skill that
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  Speaker 3: a catcher can show off, another skill maybe a hitter
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  Speaker 3: can show off or a pitcher show off. So if
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  Speaker 3: you look at it like that, we're introducing maybe a
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  Speaker 3: different human aspect to the game that I think we
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  Speaker 3: could showcase, Like these guys are really good at challenging
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  Speaker 3: versus making it all mechanical and then taking all the
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  Speaker 3: all the fun stuff, like imperfections are sometimes part of
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  Speaker 3: the perfections of baseball.
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  Speaker 4: So having some of it's good.
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  Speaker 3: But I thought you're I mean, maybe adding a challenge
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  Speaker 3: is not a bad idea, but I wouldn't take it
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  Speaker 3: further than that. I like what they've done because it
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  Speaker 3: makes betting interesting in game, like betting a beer on
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  Speaker 3: whether you're going to get the challenge right or not,
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  Speaker 3: Like you know, that's what I would.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, the fan interaction will be off the charts. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to be awesome. It's a guarantee.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to make sure everyone sees the instant
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  Speaker 1: replay of what I personally got two seconds ago, two
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  Speaker 1: feet away from Todd.
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  Speaker 2: Father. What did you do when you heard him agree
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  Speaker 2: with you? Gimme?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, like this, maybe said, let's go. I pun in
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  Speaker 6: my first that somebody finally agrees with me on something.
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  Speaker 6: So that means a lot. Man, you'll be get a
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  Speaker 6: Christmas card this year. Don't you worry about that? Thank you?
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  Speaker 4: Awesome. I can't wait.
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  Speaker 5: I'm looking ahead, looking ahead. What's the one pitching maybe
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  Speaker 5: not Yeah, the pitching matchup that you're most intrigued about
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  Speaker 5: in this next series?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean number one.
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  Speaker 3: I really want to see show Hey on the mount
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  Speaker 3: of the postseason, because if he takes his game up
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  Speaker 3: another notch, it's going to be just so much fun
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  Speaker 3: to watch. I also want to see the Mariners pitching
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  Speaker 3: staff go, because you know, I think they're putting it together.
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  Speaker 3: Watching them take on anybody is a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 3: They throw so many different looks at you. That'll be
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  Speaker 3: that'll be exciting for me, so I mean, I think
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  Speaker 3: those are two of the big things. How the Brewers
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  Speaker 3: use Miz is going to be fun to watch. And
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  Speaker 3: I heard you all talking about Freddy Pearolta. I love
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  Speaker 3: him in the postseason. I think, you know, he's just
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  Speaker 3: electric and you know, having to beat him twice as tough.
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  Speaker 5: And Quinn Priester never loses, so that's that's a tough
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  Speaker 5: that's tough to go through. We had Quinn on just
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  Speaker 5: the other day. But I want to also talk about
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  Speaker 5: the relievers moving forward. You you post and show all
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  Speaker 5: these incredible, you know, appearances and things that these guys do,
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  Speaker 5: but they have pitched so much. There's guys that have
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  Speaker 5: thrown three days in a row for the first time
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  Speaker 5: in their career, let alone first time this season. How
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  Speaker 5: do you feel like that affects the pitching going forward.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it definitely impacts it.
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  Speaker 3: But they do have something like, you know, this is
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  Speaker 3: the postseason, pour it all out, let's see what you
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  Speaker 3: got and we'll see who can come back and who can't.
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  Speaker 3: I do like seeing you know, Matt Brash we haven't
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  Speaker 3: seen yet. That's gonna be fun to watch. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: whether guys can or not this is where your reputations
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  Speaker 3: are made. Like watching Mason Miller. Granted he didn't win,
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  Speaker 3: but he did pretty well pitching, you know, back to
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  Speaker 3: back right, Like, so guys can either step up or not.
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  Speaker 3: And this is part of beauty of baseball.
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  Speaker 5: All right, what about Mason? What about Mason Miller's pitch?
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure who who tweeted it was that, but
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  Speaker 5: that's a perfect pitch.
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  Speaker 4: It was as good as pitch as I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 3: Like, that's the fastest pitch of his career, the fastest
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  Speaker 3: pitch ever in the postseason, and it was as dotted
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  Speaker 3: as you can dot something.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, for all the guys. So you know how
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  Speaker 4: much drama we hear out there, Like pitchers today are.
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  Speaker 3: Just throwers, Bob, you can't throw a pitch better than that, Like,
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  Speaker 3: so let's stop with that and let's admire what this
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  Speaker 3: guy's doing at that high level. Like that was as
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  Speaker 3: good a pitch as I have ever seen anybody throw.
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  Speaker 5: Canna be taught, Rob.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: Like I you know, we can control command, can be
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  Speaker 3: taught a little bit, so you can know how to
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  Speaker 3: control your misses and all that, But to dial something
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  Speaker 3: in that well, that's a very hard thing to teach.
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  Speaker 4: And I talked to Maddox about that.
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  Speaker 3: He said, he said, yeah, I can teach people to
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  Speaker 3: command a little better, but I can't really teach him
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  Speaker 3: to command the ball like I did, because it's like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you either can do it or you can't,
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  Speaker 3: but you can get better at it.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Rob, I think one of the themes this year
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  Speaker 1: as teams always look for an edge, was it felt
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  Speaker 1: like there's more technology to be able to take down
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  Speaker 1: on tips right, for teams to find the slightest thing
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  Speaker 1: that alerts them that a certain pitch is coming. Just
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  Speaker 1: like super basic casual fan question here, who's not you know,
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  Speaker 1: nearly as knowledgeable on the pitching part of things as
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  Speaker 1: you like.
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  Speaker 2: If we're seeing more and.
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  Speaker 1: More pitchers I think have more variety, does that help
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  Speaker 1: to combat that a little bit? Because I feel like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and it's early in the playoffs, but we're
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  Speaker 1: seeing certain guys pop up and it's like, this guy's
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  Speaker 1: got five pitches, he's throwing ten percent or more, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I feel like we're getting a little
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  Speaker 1: more of that again these days versus a two or
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  Speaker 1: three pitch guy. I mean, how many signs can you
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  Speaker 1: give away to somebody and be able to pick off?
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  Speaker 1: How many pitches you're you're able to see from a
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  Speaker 1: small tip.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly my theory on it too. I've talked about
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  Speaker 3: that before, where a guy like you know, Paul Skein's adding,
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  Speaker 3: now what he has seven pitches. If you're tipping one
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  Speaker 3: or two, it's very hard to tip seven or to
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  Speaker 3: remember the seven tips that you have to go through.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, if you're relying on fastball change up, you
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  Speaker 3: can probably figure those out. But if you're throwing twelve
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  Speaker 3: different pitch types, it makes it a little bit tougher.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it does combat tipping. I love
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  Speaker 3: you know, this is a real cat and mouse game.
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  Speaker 3: Like we have cameras all over the ballpark, we have
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  Speaker 3: AI that can determine if a pitcher does anything different
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  Speaker 3: on a fastball versus a slider. But then now pitchers
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  Speaker 3: can combat that by number one, fixing the tip because
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  Speaker 3: you know their teammates and their front office will help,
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  Speaker 3: but also throwing more different pitches that it makes it
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  Speaker 3: impossible to actually pick up a tip in real time.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I totally agree with you on that.
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  Speaker 5: Ten teams in the postseason get by without guys that
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  Speaker 5: are striking out. The biggest thing we talk about is
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  Speaker 5: hitters have to hit homers, and teams have to strike
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  Speaker 5: guys out. Can the teams that are left get by
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  Speaker 5: without punching tickets?
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  Speaker 4: It's gonna be really hard to do that.
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  Speaker 3: Like that is what the game's about, at least, having
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  Speaker 3: dominant stuff, Like you got to throw hard enough to
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  Speaker 3: keep hitters off balance. I don't know if you necessarily
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  Speaker 3: need strikeouts, but you definitely need to get hitters on
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  Speaker 3: a defensive and that's going to be mostly done from
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  Speaker 3: you know, hard throwing guys. You do have a crafty
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  Speaker 3: guys too that can, you know, make their mark, but
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  Speaker 3: generally at this stuff that I spoke to Chipper about,
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  Speaker 3: Chipper said, you know the reason why John Smoltz was
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  Speaker 3: so good in the postseason. Yeah, dominant stuff, And that's
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  Speaker 3: what plays in the postseason because you know, whether you
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  Speaker 3: play the infield, you have to play the infield in
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  Speaker 3: with a guy that pitches a contact, but with a
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  Speaker 3: guy that's going to case somebody, maybe it's a little
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  Speaker 3: easier to get out of those situations. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: like my guys with swing swinging mess.
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  Speaker 1: And just to finish here, Kratz, I know your question
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  Speaker 1: plays into teams having contact versus power, right, So but
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  Speaker 1: I will counter you here and we'll get Rob's thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: You have teams like the Blue Jays and the Brewers
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  Speaker 1: who are upper echelon power teams, right, And the Brewers
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  Speaker 1: have won and scored in a variety of ways, like
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  Speaker 1: almost as unique as we've seen it these days because
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  Speaker 1: they're playing an older school brand of baseball.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that plays.
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  Speaker 1: Or this power elite strikeout stuff overcome all of that, Like,
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  Speaker 1: do you think these teams are the two serious threats
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  Speaker 1: or do we look at teams that have more pop,
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  Speaker 1: like the Yankees and the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a great question because I think
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  Speaker 3: sometimes good pitch, if you're swinging just for the fences
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  Speaker 3: all the time, you're also more app to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: be taken advantage of by some guys with swinging miss stuffing.
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  Speaker 4: The putting a ball in.
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  Speaker 3: Play in the postseason is important, and that's why you know,
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  Speaker 3: getting somebody to not let them put the ball in
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  Speaker 3: play is important on the other side, but if you're
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  Speaker 3: playing small ball, that could make the difference like you're
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  Speaker 3: testing a team's fundamentals. You see some fundamentals break down
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  Speaker 3: sometimes on defense, and I do think it's a different
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  Speaker 3: game in the postseason. Every pitch matters a lot, and hitters,
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  Speaker 3: you know, have to do a job instead of swinging
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  Speaker 3: for the fences a lot of times.
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  Speaker 1: Rob, good stuff. Always appreciate you coming on dropping Insight.
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  Speaker 1: You got Todd father as fired up as anyon one right,
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  Speaker 1: and he's he's pretty tired.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's on low sleep. You just gave him a
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  Speaker 2: jolt of energy for the last hour of the show. Here.
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  Speaker 2: He just came back from Tiger's Guardian. So thanks for
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: joining us.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
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  Speaker 2: Always good to see it. Enjoy the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: I'm ready for the holiday cards from from top.
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  Speaker 6: It's coming, baby.
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  Speaker 5: We'll get your Halloween cards.
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  Speaker 4: Halloween cards are Hey, that's fine too.
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  Speaker 2: You go all out for Halloween with his family.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't see that actually, drive by. Okay, she did
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  Speaker 6: everything when I was going, I'm my god.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate it.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: But you might got a Halloween card now too, at
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: least digitally, Rob.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: But good to see it.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: Awesome, Good to see y'all.