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Ecosistema de los ferrocarriles en la Argentina - Invitado: Jorge Medrano · Ecosistemas

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Hello from ecosystems. We send a fraternal greeting to all radio environment staff,
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the National Federation of Health Workers and its Secretary, Carlos Adamo, for allowing
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us to be part of this great family that is radio ecosystem environment under the
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prism of polyhedron. How today' s world works, increasingly complex, more
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uncertain, changing, seemingly chaotic, a world of all against all or all
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for all. Not one thing or the other. The world operates in a
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delicate balance of interacting ecosystems. I propose that you think together about how these
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ecosystems work. A small pocket manual, perhaps just a bunch of thoughts and
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reflections that allow us to accommodate, order, orient, understand how we work
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in these hyper- informed and communicated societies, where it is hard for us
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to discover their senses and motives every day. I invite you to listen and
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discover together these ecosystems in which we are often inserted without wanting to be part
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of them and which, however, are part of our daily struggles and disappointments
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and under the prism of polyhedron, because every ecosystem is composed of different faces
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or sides, with its vertices and particularities. Unity in diversity, where the
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whole is superior to the parties, the agreement superior to the conflict, reality
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is imposed on the idea and time space. This will allow us to build
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a world by sustaining an environment full of humanity, in harmony with the unique
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protective nature of our existence and the generations to come welcome. There are ecosystems
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under the prism of polyhedron. The first gift I remember, the first toy
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I remember from my childhood was a little train. It couldn' t be
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any other way. I' d had some nana out there and I'
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d spend it there watching as the locomotive. With their wagons they turned round
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in a circular way in that little train in the house of the grandparents,
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my railway grandfather and fireman, because at that time he threw coal on those
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steam locomotives. That' s why he retired more or less young and then
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he took me for a walk and we got on those Fiat locomotives that had
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arrived in the sixties and we walked from Las Flores to General Belgrano. I
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lived in the city of Flores province of Buenos Aires and when we slept at
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night, the house was near the station. We woke up in the morning
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with the whistle at the dawn of the train that we called him the Zapalero,
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because he went there until Euken and that same train brought the newspapers and
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then, when I was bigger, I took the train to come to study
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here to the University of Buenos Aires and eye that if the chancho comes because
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we would climb without ticket, well maybe one has such a loving memory.
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However, for those who have to take the railroad every day, even one,
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two three railways trains to get to work and deal with the cuts,
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with the mobilizations, with the stops, with the accidents like the other day,
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because the cables were stolen. It makes us think of a reality so
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different from that bucula than one thinks of one’ s own childhood. It
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' s a really complex issue. It' s an ecosystem and I wanted
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to dedicate it in tribute to my family and to what can happen again,
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because we already burn with milk and again privatization is coming. I didn'
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t want to ignore without making this ecosystem of trains in Argentina and I say
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who I' m talking to about trains, who I' m talking to.
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And there appeared to me a person there, in the networks and in
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the groups, a militant who has a civil organization that is called standing railways
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that mentus yasma, for his ability to love and defend and fight for this
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national heritage and is here with us, Jorge Medrano, welcome, good ecosystems,
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welcome and thank you for inviting me, because the truth is an honor
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to be here and an honor, that is, to represent all my colleagues
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who are really more than concerned. Thirty years of railroad, more than thirty
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- four wow you saw and didn' t give a shit about the government,
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so today you do what you do. The comrades are on the list.
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Unfortunately, there is no one to defend you because I was a union
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leader of two guilds and, apart from being a company official, it did
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not reach, it did not reach seniority, it did not reach capacity,
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it did not reach anything. It would seem that governments only do numbers.
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They never make the reality that people live, because beyond the number or one,
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to be out of work is to be left with nothing, because you
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can collect whatever it is in that mons moment, but you know that the
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worker does not really have the capacity to save and the ability to invest as
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has any other who actually live from it the worker. They function in the
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family way, on which they spend according to what they are clear and when
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they were left without that. It' s a subject. I mean,
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that' s why there' s a lot. You' ve been denized.
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You' re fine, no, no, no, and besides that
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complex that is in the field of railways, because I also remember the question
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of outsourcing. Well, Ferreira' s case, for example, at the
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time. No, if I start with you, let' s start from
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behind by saying yes, let' s start from the sixties Notice that in
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the sixties you make an interesting comparison in your magazine. No yes, that
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you spoke in the time of Frondizi, the time of Mene, in the
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time of macri' s ore and the time of ma and now the time
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of the other. I mean, because they are important agendas that have to
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be taken into account, that people really forget what happened today, because this
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comes because if you ask me with so many years of service and with so
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much teaching, because I was part of the training of the railways or I
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was started as a pawn and I finished as a manager. Imagine that there
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is a race involved in all of that and he didn' t give it
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to anyone who clarified and the other, that is, for that I on
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the railroad, I studied in different ways and trained myself in different ways to
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achieve the goal, but he didn' t reach it. And well,
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in the 1960s the Anarqui plan came out where it eliminated a number of kilometers
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of road and made 70, 000 railways. Yeah, from there it'
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s the beginning, because it' s not over. There he continued menen
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with this plan to privatize the state. No, yes, I' m
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always going to refer to the railway, because that' s what I know,
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the railroad in the' 70s, well, in the' 60s or
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as I told you, a number of kilometers of track were reduced. All
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the steam machines that you know your dad has driven, they' ve eliminated
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them, the cars, all that. All that stuff was removed and then
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it comes back to the trust and the general motor. In the nineties,
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the bike filled came from the United States. Yeah, so, yeah,
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he went loading the whole towed stuff, which is the locomotive car, all
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the freight wagons, all that kind of stuff. And there are things that
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were done here in the Argentine industry. I mean, that' s what
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military factories were in, too, and I remember in Tucumán, too.
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Not sure, the workshop is still the workshop have carved these old in Tahibi
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old coffee, but it was not the only one. You dress up the
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lineer shop is standing. If you are going to remedy climbing, there is
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the workshop that also came out the machine from the first screw to the last.
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It was done there because there was a foundation and so in other areas,
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because you look at the Pérez workshop, which is in Santa Fe.
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Also the northwestern workshop of Bahía Blanca that closed it in the nineties. Things
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were done, too. There are many things there and at present, that
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is, that the whole railway system was anchored in the possibility of construction and
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the development of value added on the issue was not only that the train of
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the zero moment that Perón is statizing the railways that he buys was circulating.
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He buys England and France. Part of France had part of the railways.
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At that time, what the General Perón does is to buy the railways with
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debts they had with Argentina, so that practically it paid us nothing clear and
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the construction was to branch out the entire railway branch. But economic interests are
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stronger than ours. That is, what we generate is work and giving work
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and being workers. We, always the workers, are the verses of the
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nineties who want to live in the state and in reality it is not.
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We work for the State and the State has to pay for the labor we
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do as any worker does not live for the State. That, that'
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s working, whether it' s in a state enterprise or a private company,
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and in fact, here in Argentina, no one gives the guarantee of
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anything, not even to state enterprises or state labor, when it has to
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be the State that has to give the guarantee that doesn' t give it,
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that is because you look at the first worlds. What state are the
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railways in and at what level are we? Far from all that and it
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is administered by the states and the ministers have spent not only the states,
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but with the collaboration of the private ones. One to imagine railroads. Think
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of Italy, for example, which has an extraordinary rail system. I thought
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of Spain. Spain, Spain, Italy, France, Germany, Germany.
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You understand me. I mean, there' s a lot of them and
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you notice they have the bullet train. We are from France, we are
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from Spain, which are great branches than the one that crosses England, the
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one that crosses in England. Of course exactly then people are not really aware
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of what the real railway system is here. Actually. Every time it'
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s probable because we ended Macri' s government and went out in defense of
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the railroad, because if you asked me, I' m in defense of
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the ferrocal that I started on the railroad. I entered the railway at twenty
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years old and before the sixties there is something that the railway has, that
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has nothing, that is the question of Community, of being a part,
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of being a family. That' s why there are clubs, no.
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That' s why there are so many references to railways, railways. We
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are with Jorge Medrano and of course welcome to the train. Pick up your
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things and get out of here in the name of Christ, don' t
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want to go on if no one accepts me. Okay now, Mairé I
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' m waiting, or my dre arrives. If you' re looking badly
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finished, you know if I don' t laugh at you. Well,
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Madame, cut your venereal hair down. If you don' t come with
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me, can you say goodbye to me can how many you want to be
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treated? Well, they can as many as they want what golden foundation road,
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papitos generis. So is Charlie one thousand nine hundred and seventy- three,
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the first version of welcome to the train with Jorge Medrano in this ecosystem
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of trains in Argentina. If you see how the branches are in Argentina,
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you find a kind of Spider web where everything goes to the port of Buenos
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Aires. This is where it was thought and developed. Moreover, this has
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to do with a question of Cologne, if you will, and of extractivist
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countries, which you want to return to now just trying to take all the
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wealth out. No, and the railroad was also armed with that idea.
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The railway is so extensive that notice that you had railways to him via railways
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operating machinery, signposts, personal management and besides ferropertuaries, that it has to
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do with what you just said that many do not take it into account.
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But there is the ferroportuary that before was much more important than today, because
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they handled all the cargo of the ports. You stayed in the' 60s.
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No. I thought from there, even the bride and groom had a
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long run that bid between the roads and the railroad, between the truckload and
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the bus and the train. It really existed. That' s how it
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always existed. The point is that from the sixties to the nineties it wasn
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' t a competition to the truck, it was a competition to the passenger.
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Or moving a lot of people. You notice that the railway not only
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goes through the provinces, but crosses the border, because the train arrives to
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Uruguay, the train arrives to Brazil, the train arrives to Bolivia, to
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Chile and well, the trans- Andean arrived to Venezuela. Then and then,
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I mean, people, that' s all they don' t remember,
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because that' s all stopped. The largest railway on the railway line
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was the Urquisa. The Urquisa today is dead at all i e, the
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train goes to air missions to the inn then. So, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, and it' s just freight
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train. The passengers died most and not only that. Medium short and long
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distance passenger trains. I don' t mean, there' s the cut
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- off. Now I was in Uruguay and I was surprised that the same
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problem we had in Argentina in the 1990s would also be in Uruguay. And
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this question of railways. It seems as if it was a non- national
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issue, whether transnational or continent- wide. But it is different because Uruguay
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is a province our Vo Mira, but they also took the one in the
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railroad, not clear they lost it because, that is, if it is
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not given importance here, much less it will be given there, because it
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was the subject of two. And this, as I say, with Paraguay
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the same thing and with the others and with Bolivia, Bolivia, in Chile
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you look, that is, with Chile it was impressive what could have been
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done and it was not done and wanted to reach Venezuela. You' ve
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seen everything that happens, everything that' s happened in all of that,
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and that is to say, that' s done together on an international level,
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because we, railways, are the biggest thing on a rail level.
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It was, as you said, a spider web. It was that that
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went through a different province, going south. That' s why we got
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the train to land the fire and it doesn' t come anymore. You
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came to Río Negro Bariloche and you' re missing two thousand and a bill
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of kilatros. Then all the other branches remained like tourist trains. There are
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many railway museums, there are many tourist trains, but they run it privately,
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because it has the jumping train, that the world cloud train, the
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nine o' clock train, that is in Rio Negro. All of that
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is either so or notice that we, in our newsletter, are always putting
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that out because people seem not to be there and there are many trains like
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that touristic, but it is a matter, but it does not matter to
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the industrial process, of economic roll. That' s tourist, it'
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s commercial. That is to say, here the railway development really so that
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industrialization, as there is no industrial policy, you saw because the I mean,
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you notice that when the Forrosur was privatized in the 1990s, it grabbed
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black loma all because of mining. But that is, and you notice that
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I worked in ferro air. They gave priority to the freight train and not
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to the passenger train the pass. That' s for you to see the
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level that we were, not me and where the boss was really, of
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course, because this is a question of boss and peasant. We were the
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peasants and they were the bosses and not only that when the railroads of the
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nineties were granted, for me they were going to put in the nineties.
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Railways were always State property. And this is the difference in the primeta section
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you' d like to make today. Or so, if I gave up
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the use entirely, that' s what happened. It' s simigliano when
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it was the accident at eleven, of course exactly TMR, also when the
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other one had it. Okay. Now I don' t remember the name.
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I try not to remember those names because there were livers, of course,
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because there were people who only did trade. You know what I mean,
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they kicked out the railroads and then they had to take them three months
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because they work with the railroads. The railway being we call it zero railway
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trades does not pass. You have to live at age seven, eight or
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ten years recently to be a railway. This is where it is and the
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administrative is railway administrative, but it is not the operative and then it marks
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you for life. Of course, because you see, I have no family,
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that is the first railway, I was family. Then I was integrating
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family and well, some stayed and some didn' t. But before there
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was the collective labor agreements of the four guilds, it was that you retired
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and entered your son or some relative of yours that ceased to exist. Then
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that' s where the railway being is lost. The big blow comes in
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the' 90s you make a difference that there were ninety thousand employees. Well
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and also well was the idea to give the one to branch that earth.
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No And that if from there, in the ninety zero there were nine thousand
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left, notice that today we are ten percent that two, well, and
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in the sixties they cast seventy thousand. In the Macri government, four thousand
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more than four thousand five hundred people were thrown out. They want to throw
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in two stages that they haven' t done yet because they don' t
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have the money for the compensation, but they have already done it. How
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many ferrocarriary employees there are today twenty- three, twenty- four thousand persus
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twenty- four or less. Yeah, but over there. You have to
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incorporate the whole amba, not because everything, because you notice what I said
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you have eight have are or themes. I' m gonna have the presidents
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in every province. You have ferrocativa and Argentine premieres. You have as a
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railway company of state society, which is one and Argentine trains. There'
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s the dif there' s the SOFTs. You understand me. There are
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different, different parts that are managed by infrastructure, by operation, by training,
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by other issues, and there are provincial, not provincial, trains.
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There' s the one from Rio Negro, nothing more, the only one
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left, the one going to Mar del Plata, the one from that nation
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to that was us. I belonged to that, which was Ferrobaire, Ferrobair,
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delivered everything, did not stay with the province Buenos Aires, manages us
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mountren ah Mira Vos. That' s closed. That closed it. Maria
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Eugenia Vidal, where she throws directly more than two zero people. You understand
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me and accumulating with what was the only branch or there was someone else.
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No, yes, there' s the one from Bahía Blanca, the one
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from Junía, the one from Retiro Junín, the one from Eleven, fucked
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up and shitted. Well, he was going to the pampa, the pampa
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you saw is Santa Rosa. Yes, then, well, but already you
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notice that I was going to a tandil there were no others, the one
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of short twenty- five of May and also loving that all that was when
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it started with air lining, there was all the process to get to Bariloche,
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because it is of the rock, the ferrocanel rock belongs to Bariloche.
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Then that' s where you say it. You have to have knowledge to
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say these things. And he didn' t write it to me. Nobody.
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I lived it because I was a part of it. I also worked
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on a railway project. Now, when you think here, this system is
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more economical is healthier for the environment totally has greater capacity for loading arrival.
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Each here, every freight train carries fifteen trucks. An environmental detail is much
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healthier than any plane and than the collective and that the truck and above is
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less dangerous, totally accidentally safe then and the transfer is safe. And besides,
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here, the failures when there is an accident are management failures. And
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when I speak of management, it is not of the worker, it is
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of the administrators, that never here the engineer is identified and the signer is
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identified and the rest none was ever given a name. This happened the eleven
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too and you agreed in the eighties, when the derailer was there or in
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quilme. If you remember, at that time, when the brown cars were
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there, you remember, well, there was a big three car that was
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dead and also giant. And no one, that is, there was never
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a high- ranking management staff in sight, not even the problem of the
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Minister of Transport, nor the Secretary of Transport, nor anything like that.
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However, those are the consequences, these accidents, are the management consequence.
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Management because you see if you' ve already been warned, although the cables
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were stolen, cancel the thin trains, you can' t work like this,
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but keep going, keep going? Well, but is it? But
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isn' t it? Keep going. It' s my kid' s
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time. Never explain, because there was never a Teufonic train already exploded and
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very few we gave fon do, the world has no water. More like
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parming in so nothing dead ways and a stranger in the past, confused by
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how the loose flower matter flows from the sea the atmosphere without sob exploded and
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very few we were able to zap. The world has no water. Tomorrow
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come find my so good nothing and slender that I express myself that it remained
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in the pass. Take me back and see me coming in, sir,
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I' m about a quarter of chrome, one thousand nine hundred and eighty
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- four, the Spinetta Flank. I want to see a train. I
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want to see because, in addition to everything we tell, there is a
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romantic, loving question. If you want, you write to the train,
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you think of the station waiting or firing someone. It' s not something
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that' s coming hits you somewhere else, no, not the same as
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an omnibus terminal. There' s a song Jairus made and he' s
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coming. That was the one who romantically identified the railroad. He' s
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the son of a railroad, he' s already coming into this postmodern world.
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There are three elements that are its substantial substantial. One is language,
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artificial intelligence, the way we have to communicate, the whole big data,
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the whole story. This one is the energy. Not how I' m
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gonna be able to run every computer car, house, cold heat, whatever.
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No. The third is transport. It' s how we move from
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one place to another and there' s the railroad. Let' s just
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say, he doesn' t have anything to give him. I don'
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t understand, let' s say today I don' t know if it
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' s Grandma' s jewel that' s being privatized. It' s
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Grandma' s jewel. Unfortunately, you notice that if you don' t
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add artificial intelligence to the railway, as it is said now, it would
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be much more drinkable because that' s why where I go abroad, or
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notice that trains are in the air in Japan, because of the magnetism it
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has is not electric, it is electric up, but below magnetic magnetism,
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because if not, the train would derail every time because of the speed it
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carries here. You can' t do that because first of all, income.
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They have done a great job in railway works, great because everything that
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is in railway line is on the level of the river of the Sea,
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where it crosses. You see, you can flood everything but the tracks while
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you' re saying. Okay, okay. This is very typical in the
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province of Buenos Aires, the work that was done in all places to be
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able to know where you wanted to build, where you diciete, where the
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ciclises did. At each station a church was formed, there was commissary,
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there were hospitals, there was school. It has to do with that all
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the peoples here just the question geological study totally implicable because they went up to
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do at that time, that is, the time that began the railway issue.
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That was great, and General Perón took advantage of it when he nationalized
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him. What they didn' t know to take advantage of was the officials
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and they spoke in all governments, governments and officials that that' s what
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derailed everything. Because I remember when I entered the railroad in the eighties,
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because I was doing school with the colimba and the railroad entered. So,
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getting on the railroad was like being a cop, it was like being a
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doctor. There were a lot of things that hierarchized you that nowadays being railway
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seems to be at the same level as other trades, much lower at the
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level of work, be despised, etcetera. Of course because on top of
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that is how they build you, how ah you are a engineer, you
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are, you are a barrier guard that today you did not make because it
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is alone the barriers take us. Then there are a lot of things that
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don' t see the hierarchy that the railroad has. That' s why
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I say, when I started already formed and when they put me in charge
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of a sector, the first thing I did was try to put together a
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training system, because the comrades knew, but they didn' t realize that
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those who knew, because one thing the practical and another the theoretical, and
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without the two things they have to do. They knew the practical, but
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they didn' t throw it away and how they alarmed you in a better
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way than coming from a school or college. Now, Jorge, why don
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' t you generate affection for the railroad then on the part of the people.
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Why don' t you defend it, why don' t you take
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care of it, because people are believed to have been instilled in people that
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if the railroad doesn' t walk, it' s for the railroads first
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and they put it as an enemy. If you for the train, make
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a stop on demand of x things, the problem is with the railways or
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not with the officials, because you notice that the railway is always attacked.
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If we, by measure of force, cut the road, the problem of
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the railway, not of the official, now, why don' t we
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face why it happens in these people, that is to say, that it
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puts like scapegoat the union question totally of the worker, not even union,
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because the union I told you out of microphone. It' s another matter.
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In addition, there are four guilds, they are different, each one
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more prizes. Now they have become more guilds, now they will be recognized.
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It does not have the fraternity and the railway union, but now there
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is the fraternity of union ferrovias to PDFA that is the personnel of direction and
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signposts that signposter is getting small you see eating it the system, because all
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the last accident were those that had in the picota. Sure good and you
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look, that' s a guy in such a robbery or wires type in
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the cabin. You can see from far away from a cabin you don'
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t see so we don' t have half. There are cameras that tell
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you how they have on the outside. They' ve got the cameras up
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the train and they' ve got the camera in the run of the track.
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There' s no such possibility here. So, if you look at
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the main stations, Plaza Constitución or you retire what I know there are booths.
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You saw with all the televisions. Who does that serve who serves and
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I ask why they don' t sell me smoke in that sense. You
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saw and I didn' t complain about the worker. I' m always
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going to defend the worker. Now, Jorge, why is this so good?
34:52
Now comes the railway increases. Why we never have an intermediate rate that
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isn' t even a gift as a gift has happened a long time and
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that' s against subsidized and then it seems that anyone can and how to
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climb. And then these things happen that demand the fare to the clouds.
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You couldn' t think of anything intermediate that could be worth benefiting everyone.
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If the issue is that it always has to do with the economic plan.
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If the economic plan does not have the sustainability for a railway plan, there
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is no railway. Speaking of passages, whatever, because you look at the
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passages. It is established by the State, because it belongs to the State.
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If before a fee was dirty, if before it was suspicious or it
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was okay because they could all travel. It' s not the same today,
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because it' s not sucidal. And there' s an issue there,
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because you notice that when he privatized menen he granted, the concession took
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place. Today how you sell the railroad if it doesn' t happen,
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if there' s no subsidy, because not who' s going to catch
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something that' s losing, because the railroad is losing on all issues around
36:05
the world. But at every loss he knows what the long- distance passenger
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train is, but you know that the freight train makes a profit, and
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that sustains what the passenger is what they don' t do, because in
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the nineties, what Nausta was selling you and what Grondona was selling you was
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that the problem was the railways and the number of railways and that it was
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a loss, but they never did it economically, because you notice. When
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they talk to you about ferrovian reactivation, they only talk to you about the
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freight train, never the passenger and they' ll never talk about a workshop,
36:38
so to speak, that we' re going to reactivate a workshop,
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we' re going to reactivate own machines, the wagons themselves. Not because
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they want to bring everything from the outside, because you look at it.
36:45
It' s okay. We bought all the trains from the Chinese. But
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the Chinese give you a guarantee. When this happened in the government of Alfonsín,
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when the identification was made in the rock, you remember that it opened
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it six months before the Chinese said. We lost the guarantee by inaugurating it
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six months before ferrocarriy for an election issue at that time. Well, I
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' m clearing it up for you. Then you lose the warranty and the
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other one. When they bring the electric trains, they came with technicians from
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China who had to give the training to our workers you think they gave it.
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Some do and some don' t. Then you miss that, as
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you end up fixing the train with wire. Why the comrades are treated,
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why the railway is practical, because you already know what the trap is,
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but the technical doesn' t know. And that the contracts that are made
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are jave in hand and comes with everything already him, but you don'
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t know. People don' t have it in public. That' s
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not in public because you look at it. They give you a decree and
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point out certain things to you, but they don' t tell you what
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the contracts really are because today we have two or three companies no more,
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that are in privatization and that are still succied because Terden didn' t succumb
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to it. Yeah, but that' s the way it is on the
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amba, not on the flash. Yeah, yeah, we' re talking
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here some subways and the other one' s two. I don' t
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remember. Now, but I say and this you look at. But yes,
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they reduced everything that the national foreign budget completely reduced it. Then nothing
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' s gonna work. Yeah, because the railroad needs that. If you
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cut off the railway work that was being done, you already cut everything because
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you looked at stations there were intermediate stations between Espeleta station and Quilme there was
38:36
a station in the middle between Droguey and Boursaco. There' s another intermediate
38:42
station. That' s all stopped and I' m talking about two I
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always see, but there' s more. Then I' m going to
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say and how you take the train to the villages, because our fight and
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if you read in the magazine, our fight is the return of the train
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to the villages totally because there are towns that are growing, because there is
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no railroad, because there is no connection with the big cities or with the
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other towns. Then you understand that great problem, that we have the connection
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that you spoke of a principle, that is, it is made through the
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railroad. It was always made and not made by the collective. The collective
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has a terminal and died there. And it' s not the same as
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on a train arrival, because the station everyone lived, that is, street
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vendors, people who made food, people who sold their crafts. It was
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like an arrival and when the festivities of the villages were held, it reached
39:36
the people of the outside through the train. Then it' s those things
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that were traditionally lost. Listen to me the stationmaster of every railway station in
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the villages was like the mayor. Yes, because he also handled the telegraph,
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he handled everything, because he had the whole connection, because you look
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at it, everything was handled through the train. So to say, there
40:00
was a giant connection that was lost. That Jorge Medrano is with us like
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this with that fervor, like the clear railway Kairo. The wonder, an
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avantipuestro wonder many dreams of the thief of carryings that is in the photograph claim
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alive dead by all the police iran They do not have portraits much I do
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not get favored and beard. Thank you buy modid Don' t cstan mi
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bayo queer del mar megaros I' m not a lega guy or my grandfather,
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my father and I. While the three of us were railways, but
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they stopped nostrares because they were poor songs of saw gualgasto all desert. The
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mitre remainserio and the middle grade. Dead is what fermo mario cipone itches him
42:02
from the first manure or after pieces he was very much at night to steal
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the locomotive. I' m either the truth or I' m tearing you
42:40
apart from the Roman or the rock house, the carida excited or ten days
42:52
I' m touched by the oria. I' m not in your maria.
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S biencias de transtentenernos, God, God or solicula The rabid faith pro
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ferroario. Word of Jorge Medrano, railway, railway word, says Jairo.
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Spectacular that theme of truth that always filled us with pride, because it takes
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us and deepens us in all the feeling that we have. The railroad for
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us is life. We used to say in the village when we watched a
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movie from the Metrobolden Mayer, Esa del León I already saw it. And
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now we have to say the same thing. I' ve seen that one
44:10
from the Lion. We said this movie we saw, of course, we
44:14
saw it and you already suffered it in your own flesh. It was my
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turn to be a union leader in the nineties. Imagine that, on the
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one hand, I stopped the fraternity of sixty days or so he did,
44:30
and I was from the Railway Union, I could not accompany that because my
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national leaders were not in favour of that. It was another fight. But
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what I didn' t do, without giving more details, was point out
44:50
who had to make that clear ever. And I objected because I always said
44:55
at that time that I was much younger than now. If I have to
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beat anyone it' s gonna be on the court, but not that way.
45:06
That' s not necessary. You say in your magazine that one of
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the most deficit companies is railways after Narsa, not to say Narza is the
45:15
big deficit in the country. The second, with three hundred and sixty million,
45:22
is the railways. It' s okay, it' s deficit or
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I want to sell because I don' t want to keep paying and holding
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this, but for who' s business and the ferrore someone will want to
45:34
buy them first, and this gets for sale is because there' s some
45:37
buyer since first I don' t say it. If the indec doesn'
45:37
t say that, that fact has officially taken you out of the index,
45:44
because I' m not going to play with those issues because if we'
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re not giving bad information, it has to be official entirely. Now.
45:51
If you believe the Indian or don' t believe him, it' s
45:52
another thing. But we officially took it out. Every piece of information we
45:55
give, we get it official, because if we don' t have to
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give our opinion, equally one thing that I speak as opinion and another thing
46:04
that we give as information. In this case, what you ask me about,
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I mean, this always points to the big companies that aren' t
46:14
here, they' re out there, yeah, and the truth is this
46:22
is always going to put an X entrepreneur, but it' s actually run
46:24
by others. And this goes into the stock market, gets into everything now
46:30
the railroads. Anyone who buys them is going to have to invest, they
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' re going to have to put a lot of money in order to make
46:37
it fit. But there' s the issue in general, where I was
46:39
talking to you about what to say and without subsidy how they' re going
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to do it. It' s impossible for them to grab it, because
46:45
the railroad from lost laja, but it' s a loss for what I
46:51
told you, that is, and here what they' re going to do
46:54
is a social communication function. Yeah, yeah, but it' s a
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human right. But if you see today the President is not talking about a
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present state, no, then forget what he is talking about. So it
47:05
' s the railroad isn' t going to be for that, it'
47:07
s going to be just for what it serves for them. So what does
47:10
that mean that you' re going to check out a lot more, because
47:14
you notice it comes from Achica and Chique and we can never get it back.
47:16
When it' s recovering, it falls again it changes the government and
47:21
every change of government it' s like it states that what was done before
47:23
it doesn' t have to be followed and we' re wrong. There,
47:27
there is the big problem, because you notice that there are countries that,
47:30
with differences and ideological criteria, also continue certain projects. They do not
47:39
put their dynamism, their mysticism, but it continues here, not here,
47:45
it is cut for the healthy, because it is not possible to cut everything
47:50
so easy the railroad. If you don' t invest it and you don
47:53
' t give it maintenance. It' s going to fall clear You see
47:59
that nowadays in Avellano you look at what the provincial train was. People put
48:02
houses up the track and nobody did anything. In other districts they have directly
48:09
blocked the way to make park that line was lost. And we have the
48:15
Museum in Llaneda bird, sorry. If we have the Avellaneda Museum, which
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is in front of a hypermarket and we have it as a museum because it
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has no way out. And that was the first of the railways that had
48:30
the Rocca then and as in other areas, because I see and investigate and
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I inform myself so that happens in other areas. I went in the river,
48:43
too. We held a congress of railway mercour with people from the agricultural
48:51
sector, businessmen and people from Uruguay who were interested in the railway train and
48:54
fell all that with the project, the project that the government has today.
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And this is where I was about to go if it' s not the
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railway project, it' s not within the economic, there' s no
49:10
project and there' s no good money from now on, from now on,
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because it' s going through the financial and the economic. Here,
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I' m talking about a place that I don' t know much about
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economics and financials. But I realize certain things, because I know the operating
49:24
system the railway, and the operating system is not handled like that because yes
49:30
and this is not a matter of you having to have a computer, because
49:32
the railway is going on, because it takes it to a driver and,
49:37
apart from the driver, all the people who go up the train working,
49:43
because before the train guard was the head of the train. Today he disappeared
49:49
as the head of three. He' s not the boss of the train
49:51
anymore. If you watch when you get on a train today or even a
49:54
ticket, they ask you clearly don' t keep well, it' s
49:59
lost. Then say what' s happening to all of this. I mean,
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it' s not just the government here. No, there are other
50:07
actors who also have to do with this issue. They change the ecosystem,
50:09
they change, yes, but it works. But in that change you have
50:14
to prepare certain things too, because I am already talking about the sectors that
50:17
also have to do with this. You saw that I don' t leave
50:22
anyone outside even making tea that you tell me the blind people don' t
50:27
talk about transport or talk according to their guild. Today, the union leaders,
50:31
i e, if they do a bully, they first go for their
50:35
guild. Their flags are first. And it' s not like that.
50:37
It wasn' t like that before. I was listening to a thinker last
50:42
Monday who said a certain truth, not that rights, in order to be
50:50
rights, have to be universal. When they' re one' s rights,
50:53
they' re privileges. Of course you notice how many rights we lost.
50:57
But I' m not just not talking about this government, I'
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m talking about the previous ones, I' m talking about those who are
51:04
supposed to be from the stick for saying something that they aren' t,
51:09
because when they were in front of us they ignored us and there' s
51:14
all why for a matter of agreement with people who don' t agree with
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us, because we' re ex- railway and we' re already charging
51:17
in initiation and that' s it. It' s like we don'
51:19
t have the right to work, it' s like there can' t
51:22
be a second b and this is what we don' t agree with,
51:27
because in the nineties the comrades who were also in the fight in the nineties
51:30
to get their job back. It didn' t happen, but they did
51:32
with friends and people very close to it. So that' s not known
51:38
We Yes we' re going to say it and we' re going to
51:42
say it all because he' s happening to the current comrades who were looking
51:45
at us sideways in due course and I' m looking at us head-
51:47
on now. I see, for example, the people of the mobilized mail,
51:52
the people of Argentine airlines mobilized, the people of radio and television of
51:57
the mobilized state, I do not see railroad. Udo there I' m
52:04
going to aim you' re not going to see it, because the guilds
52:07
make that not happen, even though they think they own every situation. They
52:12
do it if they decide, you understand me and the other when you'
52:19
re active it' s like you say your boss isn' t the railroad,
52:22
it' s the guild and that' s the other problem that'
52:24
s and all the guilds are going through. It' s okay. Ah
52:27
if you do something that does not agree with the guild, because you notice
52:30
that within the guilds there is also opposition, but of that opposition is minimal.
52:35
They don' t have the necessary strength. So I was a union
52:38
official and I know how it worked. But as an official I defended until
52:43
the opponent Jorge in the final minutes as we left from the maze. And
52:49
this for me, if there is no leadership and I speak in the political
52:52
and in the trade union, this does not come out and together you cannot
52:57
be divided, because today I am talking about the guilds, the frank of
53:00
the Union forlority. They' re divided, they' re in different lines
53:02
and that' s not good. That causes decay and I say even to
53:07
myself that they agree that that will happen so they don' t have a
53:14
defense, because to us it was clear a guild defended us and others did
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not. And it doesn' t matter what affiliation here. Zo is the
53:22
railway and the railway. You have to defend both things, because if you
53:25
first talk about the technical railway system now, you have to talk about it,
53:30
but now you can' t talk about it and, strategically, think
53:32
that we need a strong railway because of the size of the country, because
53:37
of the amount of wealth we have, even if they want to take it
53:42
outside, we need to move it. Let' s say in any case,
53:46
it is an indispensable tool to have a solid, firm, competent railway
53:54
system and you notice. We' re done. The Macri Maccrividal government has
53:58
not and recently fired 150 comrades from the Central Railway Administration of Argentine Trains.
54:07
The Union forrriari Defendes all those comrades. All those comrades entered Macri' s
54:09
time with us. They didn' t. I' m not against those
54:13
comrades, well, I applaud them, but they didn' t do the
54:16
same to us. There are internal problems there that they must. First,
54:21
it is a problem more than economic internals. Yes, or because you notice
54:25
that from the famous save one of the guilds makes stops and the other speaks
54:30
of railway system or plans. It' s like following the business. If
54:35
you don' t forget that in the time of Mene Mene gave him the
54:38
Grano Pedraza railway that was from the Railway Union and where it is. That
54:44
' s out of the blue. You understand me it' s always the
54:49
business and Stanpotens is above it. It appears from the workers, the workers
54:52
of one thing and this you tell me, in order to defend system it
54:53
has to defend the worker. Also Jorge, I think this is the starting
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point for other talks that we' re going to have later. Thank you
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very much for this time with us in ecosystems has been very interesting. In
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addition, I greatly appreciate the railway' s work, the railway' s
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hands, that story that represents my grandparents, my uncles, my family.
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I thank you so much. Thank you and good for all those who want
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to know the official website. Ours is that of Facebook, which is Ferroviario
55:27
de Pie. With that they just enter our page and see everything that we
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really did, we do and we want to do. Thank you very much,
55:37
Jorge Medrano Ferroviarios de Pie Civil Association in struggle for our national heritage.
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My name is Luis del Giovanino. There' s that yellow quiel in the
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technical operation, there' s Melina Reboa in the production. This is ecosystem.
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If you had a good time, pass the Holy and Sign and we
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will meet again in this medium when you will. Chao has infish Achocha,
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the ju the s chekonron more than o