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Hillary Clinton And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Talk With Congress (Part 16) (9/18/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to finish off
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Speaker 1: the Hillary Clinton transcript from her trip to Congress. Nancy Mace,
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Speaker 1: this is my third and final round. That's for me, okay?
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Speaker 1: That should make you happy. You stated earlier it was
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Speaker 1: false that Secret Service was dropped from some flights with
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Speaker 1: Clinton and Epstein, correct? Lawyer, no, she didn't say that.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Mace, who said that was false? Lawyer, let the
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Speaker 1: record reflect. Nancy Mace, okay. Lawyer, just for clarification, her
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Speaker 1: husband has never signed off of Secret Service. That means
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Speaker 1: anytime he's traveling, or anytime he has gone anywhere, he's
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Speaker 1: not signed off from Secret Service coverage, which means the
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Speaker 1: Secret Service move with him. Mace, okay, did you know
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Speaker 1: that Secret Service was FOIA'd by FoxNews.com in 2016, asking
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Speaker 1: for this information, and the Secret Service refused to provide it?
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Speaker 1: I have a document here, which we can provide to you.
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Speaker 1: question is the question that because they refuse to provide
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Speaker 1: it answer information to the press about flight logs because
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Speaker 1: on a five-leg trip to asia in 2016 it says
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Speaker 1: from may 22nd to may 25th not a single secret
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Speaker 1: service agent is listed on the flight logs and every
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Speaker 1: other flight that he was on they're listed on the
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Speaker 1: logs lawyer is your question for the secret service or
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Speaker 1: is your question for the secretary mace well i believe
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Speaker 1: it was stated earlier that it was false I'm clarifying
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Speaker 1: that the public was forced. Gets cut off by the lawyer.
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Speaker 1: What was stated is false. Can we just make? Can
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Speaker 1: you read back for the record? So that you were
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Speaker 1: actually stating the actual facts? Nancy Mace, okay. I stated
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Speaker 1: earlier this afternoon, while we're burning time, I suppose, with
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Speaker 1: the last final 10 minutes of this, it was about
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Speaker 1: the Secret Service not traveling with Clinton. I asked a
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Speaker 1: question about whether or not they travel with President Clinton
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Speaker 1: at all times. And when I stated that they did not,
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Speaker 1: I heard false. We can get the transcript tomorrow, but
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Speaker 1: this is a Fox News report that all you now
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Speaker 1: have where it states that the Secret Service did not
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Speaker 1: fly with Clinton on all the flight legs with him,
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Speaker 1: so I wanted to clarify the record. Lawyer, to clarify,
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Speaker 1: you're saying that because Fox News reported that, that the
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Speaker 1: Secret Service are lying? Answer, they weren't on the flight
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Speaker 1: logs on five legs to the trip to Asia. Lawyer,
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Speaker 1: just clarify the question then. Comer, I believe what's being
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Speaker 1: asked of Madam Secretary, not for your testimony, misredacted, Lawyer,
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Speaker 1: I'm not seeking to testify. I'm seeking to clarify that
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Speaker 1: she's representing what the secretary said and that she's not
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Speaker 1: representing it accurately. Nancy Mace, okay, we can quibble over
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Speaker 1: something else then. Earlier, I don't know if this got,
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Speaker 1: did this get printed off earlier? This eight page interview
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Speaker 1: with victim 3501144. Lawyer jumps in, this article will be
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Speaker 1: majority 18. Nancy Mace, okay, so I have an exhibit
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Speaker 1: for majority 19. I have it here, the article now. Mace,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this got printed off. This will
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Speaker 1: be a document that I would like to enter as
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Speaker 1: an exhibit for a majority, I guess. What number are
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Speaker 1: we on? 1-9. Mace, it's with victim 3501.144, and the
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Speaker 1: document would be 032. I asked for it to print
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Speaker 1: off earlier, but I know that we've had issues with printing.
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Speaker 1: So they go off record. They come back on. All right,
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Speaker 1: all right. So this will be majority exhibit number 19.
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Speaker 1: And have you reviewed this document? Have you seen the
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Speaker 1: document before? Clinton, I have never seen this document before. Mace,
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Speaker 1: this is the first time that you've ever seen this document.
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Speaker 1: Earlier in my second round, I was asking questions, and
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Speaker 1: I made mention about Bill Clinton, President Clinton's visit to
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Speaker 1: Epstein's Island, and that a possible cover-up of those visits.
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Speaker 1: And I was called a liar, I believe, by somebody
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Speaker 1: on the other side of this table. Clinton, I don't
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Speaker 1: think I did, do you? Mace, and I would provide
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Speaker 1: this document to go over it with you. This is
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Speaker 1: an interview by the FBI of an Epstein victim. It's 3501.144-032.
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Speaker 1: And on page 8, which I'll give it to you,
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Speaker 1: or I can read it to you, I'll give this back.
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Speaker 1: If you can read the last sentence, would you please
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Speaker 1: read it? Clinton, I'm not interested in reading something. I
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Speaker 1: have no idea what it is. If you want to
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Speaker 1: read it, go right ahead. Nancy makes, okay, I'll read it.
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Speaker 1: I was called a liar over this, so this particular
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Speaker 1: victim stated, on the record, in an interview with the FBI...
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Speaker 1: Epstein wanted blank the name of victim one to say
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Speaker 1: that blank victim number two was a liar and that
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Speaker 1: President Clinton was never on Epstein's Island. So I stated
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Speaker 1: earlier for the record that Epstein directed victims to lie
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Speaker 1: about your husband's visit to Epstein's Island. I was called
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Speaker 1: a liar and this document, lawyer jumps in, if you recall,
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Speaker 1: that is not accurate. The records will reflect that the
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Speaker 1: court reporter can read it back with respect to whether
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Speaker 1: or not President Clinton has ever been on Epstein's Island.
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Speaker 1: If somebody had represented that, That would not be accurate.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Mace, Jeffrey Epstein directed his victim to state a
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Speaker 1: lie about Bill Clinton never being on the island. Now
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Speaker 1: on page 7 for the record, which I know you've
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Speaker 1: never seen, there's a fully redacted paragraph. And that fully
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Speaker 1: redacted paragraph is the unredacted files of the DOJ revealed
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Speaker 1: that President Clinton, it redacts his name, and also discusses
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Speaker 1: notepads that the victims wrote down in phone calls with
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. Because she was told to lie about another victim,
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Speaker 1: and lie about Bill Clinton's visit to Epstein's Island. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why this information is redacted, and also the
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Speaker 1: attachment in this file, by the way, there were notes.
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Speaker 1: You can't see those at the DOJ. They're still redacted,
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Speaker 1: which is the reason we're here today. We want to
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Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this and get the truth. Lawyer,
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Speaker 1: excuse me, was there a question? Mace, I'm making a statement.
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Speaker 1: I want to know if she's ever seen this document before.
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Speaker 1: She was aware. I was called a liar earlier. This
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Speaker 1: victim was told by Jeffrey Epstein to lie to Bill Clinton. Lawyer,
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Speaker 1: she answered that question. Mace, okay, I was just answering
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Speaker 1: the question for the attorney. I have majority exhibit number
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Speaker 1: 20 that I would like to enter into the record.
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Speaker 1: And this is page 88 on a federal case between
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Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts and Ghislaine Maxwell. Speaker, can you hold on
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Speaker 1: a second? Uh-huh. Speaker, oh, that's different. Thank you very much. Speaker,
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Speaker 1: it's going to be 20. Congressman Perry, yes, sir. Speaker,
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Speaker 1: could you hold for one second, please? Clinton, no, this
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Speaker 1: is something else coming here. So they're going through it,
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Speaker 1: trying to get to the right page. They finally get
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Speaker 1: the printout. We should be looking at Exhibit 8 right now.
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Speaker 1: Is that right? Answer, correct. Lawyer, and not anything related
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Speaker 1: to the other document? Chairman, for the record, it's labeled
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Speaker 1: Exhibit 20, but the actual document states Exhibit 8 on
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Speaker 1: the front. That is correct. Question, that was just a
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Speaker 1: cover page. I had printed off because these documents are
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Speaker 1: hundreds of pages. I'm not an attorney. Someone jumps in.
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Speaker 1: I don't know who it is. Speaker 30. Just to
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Speaker 1: be clear, it's a single page of some exhibits in
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Speaker 1: a court filing. Mace, that's hundreds of pages long. Comer,
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Speaker 1: there are two pages. Speaker, can you please represent for
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Speaker 1: the record what we're filing this is and what the
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Speaker 1: title of the document is? Mace, this would be Virginia
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Speaker 1: versus Maxwell federal lawsuit filed on the 1st of January 2024.
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Speaker 1: And it's page 88 of that documentation. What's the filing
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Speaker 1: of the lawsuit, asked the lawyer. Mace, it's in the filing.
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Speaker 1: So they're just going through all the bullshit, okay? Now
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Speaker 1: they're going back to the questioning, and Nancy Mace, it's
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Speaker 1: a first shared paragraph. I'm going to ask about it. Speaker,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask that these chairmen ask me a
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Speaker 1: question he asked me about in Audible. So they're just
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Speaker 1: fighting now, like usual. Comer, for the record, counselor and counselor,
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Speaker 1: the document in the case is U.S. District Court for
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Speaker 1: Southern District of New York in Virginia v. Maxwell, and
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Speaker 1: I believe the congresswoman... has already stated the case number
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Speaker 1: that is listed at the top of the document. This
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Speaker 1: would be the defendant's submission regarding search items and terms
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Speaker 1: and notice of compliance with court order concerning forensic examination
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Speaker 1: of devices. So now she's finally ready after all this bullshit. Again,
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Speaker 1: another speaker jumps in. Who filed the document? Mace, Ghislaine Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: Speaker 26, Maxwell filed the document. All right, we're cutting
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Speaker 1: out all the bullshit and we're getting right back to it.
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Speaker 1: So they go off the record. Now they come back
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Speaker 1: on Nancy Mace. May I ask you a question? Okay,
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Speaker 1: so court filings in this particular court filing, it lists
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Speaker 1: you among 13 specific witnesses for whom Virginia Roberts was
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Speaker 1: seeking all communications. There are no allegations against you, but
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Speaker 1: why do you believe that you're included on a list
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Speaker 1: with people like Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, Emmy Taylor, the Dubins,
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Speaker 1: Jean-Luc Brunel, Bill Clinton, and yourself? Lawyer jumps in objection.
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Speaker 1: This calls for speculation. It's a partial document. The witness
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Speaker 1: may answer if she can, but it's a list of
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Speaker 1: names in a search term description. Clinton, I have no idea. Mace,
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Speaker 1: did you know at any point that your communications were
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Speaker 1: sought after in this lawsuit? Answer, so I know nothing
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Speaker 1: about that. Mace, so you were never made aware that
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Speaker 1: your name was mentioned in this lawsuit? Answer, this is
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Speaker 1: the first time that I'm seeing it. Question, no one's
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Speaker 1: ever spoken to you about your name in a lawsuit. Answer,
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Speaker 1: not that I can recall. Question, do you think if someone,
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Speaker 1: lawyer jumps in again in this lawsuit, excuse me. Mace, yes. Lawyer,
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Speaker 1: a lawsuit or this lawsuit? Mace, this lawsuit. Lawyer, okay, sorry. Question,
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Speaker 1: this lawsuit. Do you think that your staff would tell
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Speaker 1: you if you were named in a lawsuit? Would they
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Speaker 1: brief you on it if you're being named in a
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Speaker 1: public filing or a lawsuit? Answer, I don't know what
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Speaker 1: this means. I have no idea. Mace, your communications were
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Speaker 1: sought by Virginia Roberts in her suit against Ghislaine Maxwell. Clinton,
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Speaker 1: no lawyers that I'm aware of ever contacted me. Mace,
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Speaker 1: no one ever told you? Clinton, no. Question, you were
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Speaker 1: never made aware of that? Answer, not that I recall. Question,
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Speaker 1: did you ever vet the wedding guests of your daughter's wedding?
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Speaker 1: Did you know Glenn Maxwell was coming? Answer, she came
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Speaker 1: as Ted Wade's guest. Question, but you're the former first lady,
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Speaker 1: former senator, former secretary of state. You didn't vet individuals
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Speaker 1: at the event for your daughter? Clinton, this was filed when?
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Speaker 1: Nancy Mace, so it would have been 2024? Clinton, well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: the wedding was in 2010. Nancy Mace, I moved on
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Speaker 1: to another question about the wedding, but I know that
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Speaker 1: the chairman wants to ask some questions, so? Comer, he's
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Speaker 1: got a few more. Then I'll ask the last question. Question.
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Speaker 1: Secretary Clinton, thank you again for being here today. I
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Speaker 1: have one final question for you, and then I'll turn
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Speaker 1: it over to the chairman. Would you say that being
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Speaker 1: associated with powerful or influential individuals would give you someone credibility?
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Speaker 1: And in this case, Mr. Epstein used that credibility around
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Speaker 1: the world. Clinton, I have no idea what he did
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Speaker 1: or didn't do. Question. Understood. Sure. Comer, Madam Secretary, if
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Speaker 1: you're following this, and I'm sure you are, in Britain,
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Speaker 1: with the arrest of Prince Andrew and former ambassador to
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Speaker 1: the British ambassador of the United States, they were arrested.
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Speaker 1: It's my understanding, not for sex crimes, but for potential
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Speaker 1: treason or potential violation of national security protocol. One of
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Speaker 1: the things that a lot of people, and you may
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Speaker 1: call it a conspiracy theory or whatever, but I believe,
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Speaker 1: I've seen it on CNN, I've seen it on Fox,
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Speaker 1: I've seen it in the Washington Post and New York Times.
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of speculation that he may have been
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Speaker 1: an asset. And I know several questions may have been
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Speaker 1: asked today. And you've given a lot of advice for
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Speaker 1: the committee on how we can move forward. And our
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Speaker 1: objective is to get the transparency to the American people
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Speaker 1: and get the truth to the American people. And by
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Speaker 1: the documents being released, the estate documents that we subpoenaed,
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Speaker 1: as well as the DOJ documents, we're already seeing many
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Speaker 1: powerful people, men and women held accountable. So I feel
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Speaker 1: like this investigation is moving in the right direction. But
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Speaker 1: one of the things that we're stumped is, How do
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Speaker 1: we determine whether or not Epstein was a spy? Whether
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Speaker 1: or not Epstein was trading secrets because he had people
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Speaker 1: on the inside, especially in the Obama administration. We're not
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Speaker 1: saying you, but Obama's former counsel that then went on
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Speaker 1: to Goldman Sachs. Where do we go in this investigation
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Speaker 1: to try to determine whether or not he was an asset? Mr. Chairman,
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Speaker 1: I really appreciate that question, says Clinton. And I can't
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Speaker 1: say that about many of the questions, but I really
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Speaker 1: do appreciate that question. And I think it's an absolutely
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Speaker 1: essential question for you to try to examine and find
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Speaker 1: answers for. And I think you said that you had
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Speaker 1: either document requests or maybe even a subpoena to the CIA.
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Speaker 1: I would also include the DNI. I would include any
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Speaker 1: counterintelligence or appropriate unit within the Justice Department. I think
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Speaker 1: you have cast a wide net. And now that, as
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Speaker 1: you described, the government of the UK investigating both Andrew
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Speaker 1: and Mandelson, maybe they would cooperate with your investigation. And
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Speaker 1: maybe you could reach out to the intelligence agencies of
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Speaker 1: other countries that you're looking at. Israel has been mentioned.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps that's one to go to. I don't think Iran
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Speaker 1: is going to cooperate or Russia, but I think you
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Speaker 1: could certainly go to the UK and go to Israel
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Speaker 1: and see if they would be helpful at all. Question.
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Speaker 1: In your experience as Secretary of State, and I know
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Speaker 1: you were First Lady, but you were more active, in
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Speaker 1: my opinion, than most First Ladies in the President Clinton administration.
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Speaker 1: Does he exhibit characteristics? Is there a pattern? that would
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Speaker 1: lead you and your expertise to believe that he was
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Speaker 1: an asset? Answer, well, there certainly is in the files,
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Speaker 1: and I do commend you for getting as much released
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Speaker 1: as you can. I hope that you get it all released.
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Speaker 1: Hints of a relationship with powerful foreign leaders, pictures, emails, meetings.
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Speaker 1: He was clearly somebody who traded off information. Comer, exactly. Clinton,
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Speaker 1: he liked to collect it, and he liked to use it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know any more details than that. So certainly,
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Speaker 1: as I said earlier, the intelligence connection, the money connection,
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Speaker 1: the crimes, Those seem to me to be the three
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Speaker 1: major elements of your investigation. Comer, and obviously as the
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Speaker 1: last question before my questions, he wanted to make the
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Speaker 1: appearance at least that he had friends in high places.
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Speaker 1: And you've seen the emails that have been released, and
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Speaker 1: I know you testified today that you've never met Epstein,
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Speaker 1: but he's implied to people that he was very close
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Speaker 1: to the Clintons. He's implied that he was very close
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Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. He's implied that he was close with
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Speaker 1: a lot of people. Even Wexner denied that he was
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Speaker 1: very close. I don't know how many of us believe that,
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Speaker 1: but it's what he said under oath. And it's just
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Speaker 1: amazing to me. And I think most Americans who are
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Speaker 1: following this, how this guy could have Prince Andrew, a
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Speaker 1: frequent visitor, have people from the Saudi royal family, people
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Speaker 1: at the highest levels in several administrations. And that's why
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Speaker 1: we brought you in. We're just trying to get answers.
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Speaker 1: And again, I think that one of the big questions,
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Speaker 1: and it looks like that's the direction Britain's going is,
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Speaker 1: was he a spy? He was committing treason in any country.
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Speaker 1: So that's why we would welcome any advice if you
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Speaker 1: have any thoughts after this or anything else. Clinton, Chairman,
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Speaker 1: I want to get to the bottom of this to
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Speaker 1: the best of your ability, and I'm more than happy
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Speaker 1: to offer whatever insight I might have, as you say,
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Speaker 1: about the framework of this and also about any further
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Speaker 1: action to take or trafficking to strengthen our response. Comer,
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Speaker 1: and that's one more question. I think we've got a
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Speaker 1: minute or two left. So you obviously stated in your
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Speaker 1: opening statement that you were involved with human trafficking and
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Speaker 1: trying to prevent that. with what you've seen in the files,
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Speaker 1: what Epstein was doing with those girls, recruiting other girls
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Speaker 1: to come in, does that meet the legal definition of
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Speaker 1: human trafficking, or is it more of prostitution? Because one
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Speaker 1: of the things that we want to do at the
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Speaker 1: end of the investigation, and I think Ms. Mace will
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Speaker 1: play a big role in that, and Ms. Luna, and Ms. Simon,
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Speaker 1: and all the members in both parties, hopefully is trying
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Speaker 1: to strengthen the human trafficking laws. And some people have suggested,
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Speaker 1: based on what they've seen, Maybe some of that wouldn't have.
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Speaker 1: The government couldn't have prosecuted him on human trafficking because
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Speaker 1: it didn't meet the definition. Do you have anything to add, Clinton? Well, again,
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Speaker 1: I don't know all the specifics that you have at
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Speaker 1: your disposal, but I've also read in some of the
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Speaker 1: press that he was importing women from other countries. So
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Speaker 1: I think there's a distinction, a distinction probably, between what
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Speaker 1: happened in the U.S. but also what he was doing
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Speaker 1: in other countries. But really, Mr. Chairman, you have to
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Speaker 1: study this and analyze it. and advise other colleagues in
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Speaker 1: the Congress, your colleagues, in the administration about laws that
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Speaker 1: need to be changed, and strengthened, and resources that should
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Speaker 1: be directed, because at the end of the day, girls
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Speaker 1: and women were abused. Whether they were abused through solicitation,
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Speaker 1: or prostitution, and the lies, and the promises that were
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Speaker 1: made to these young women, that in itself is just despicable.
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Speaker 1: But then a system that got close to customs agents,
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Speaker 1: got close to local prosecutors, this man was a master manipulator,
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Speaker 1: a con artist of the ninth degree. And so anything
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Speaker 1: you can do to try to understand how he operated
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Speaker 1: and how he really misled and duped so many people
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Speaker 1: into thinking he was intelligent and was interesting in everything
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Speaker 1: they say about him in the emails that have come out.
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Speaker 1: So that would be great public service to try to
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Speaker 1: really understand this and break it down into different categories
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Speaker 1: that you're looking at. Comer, hopefully we can do that
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Speaker 1: in a manner that I believe. Okay, they go off
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Speaker 1: the record. Now they come back on. Speaker 34, we
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Speaker 1: can go back on the record. Ma'am, I have just
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Speaker 1: one clarification. It was an email chain that I don't
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Speaker 1: think was actually introduced as an exhibit, so I can
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Speaker 1: point you to it, but it's related to Howard Lutnick
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Speaker 1: and some kind of event at Kenner Fitzgerald. I just
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Speaker 1: wanted to ask our understanding of that email chain is
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Speaker 1: that you were not on it. It was Lutnick to
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Speaker 1: Groff to Epstein, and we don't believe that you were
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Speaker 1: part of the email. Is that the best you're understanding? Answer,
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Speaker 1: that's the best my understanding. Speaker, okay, is there anything
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Speaker 1: else you'd like to clarify or add before your testimony
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Speaker 1: here today? Clinton? Clinton? Well, I want to underscore how
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Speaker 1: important it is to try to get answers to all
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Speaker 1: the questions that everybody has about what happened and what
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Speaker 1: did what and try to have some measure of both
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Speaker 1: public awareness and accountability. So I've answered the questions to
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Speaker 1: the best of my ability and I offer to the
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Speaker 1: committee that if I can be helpful in any way,
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Speaker 1: I would certainly be helpful because I think that these
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Speaker 1: issues are important ones that need to be addressed. Question
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Speaker 1: and your answers here today were the best of your recollection.
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Speaker 1: Is that right? Answer that is correct. All right. I
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Speaker 1: think with that, Unless you have something else you'd like
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Speaker 1: to add? Clinton, let's ask my lawyers. Anything that you
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Speaker 1: think we should clarify? Question, when do you think we'll
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Speaker 1: have the transcript? Then they go off the record. Yo,
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Speaker 1: of all this stuff that we've went through, that was
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Speaker 1: one of the most painful transcripts we've ever read. The
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Speaker 1: amount of stupidity from both sides of the aisle is staggering.
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Speaker 1: And you already know that your boy is going to
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Speaker 1: have a monologue talking about it. But that's for a
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Speaker 1: different time. As far as this goes, that's going to
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