Latest / The Epstein Chronicles / Utah Man Files Defamation Lawsuit Over Candace Owens’ Kirk Theories (10/2/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. Now look,
- 0:04Speaker 1: I know this is going to come as a shock
- 0:05Speaker 1: to a lot of people out there, but Candace Owens
- 0:08Speaker 1: says a lot of shit that is just not true.
- 0:12Speaker 1: And now she's being sued by somebody who says that
- 0:16Speaker 1: he was wrongfully accused by Candace Owens of taking part
- 0:21Speaker 1: in what happened. And according to this gentleman, Robert Hilde,
- 0:26Speaker 1: he was pointed out by Candace Owens In a video
- 0:29Speaker 1: from the campus that day, and according to Mr. Hild
- 0:32Speaker 1: and his lawsuit, Candace Owens said that he was connected
- 0:35Speaker 1: to some foreign entity. And according to this lawsuit, well,
- 0:39Speaker 1: Candace Owens wasn't exactly telling the truth. And that seems
- 0:44Speaker 1: to be an ongoing theme, no? Have you seen the
- 0:46Speaker 1: latest with her? You know, about her being outed as
- 0:50Speaker 1: a lesbian, all sorts of things. And look, who gives
- 0:53Speaker 1: a shit about that, right? If you want to be
- 0:55Speaker 1: a lesbian, you want to be gay. I don't give
- 0:58Speaker 1: a shit what you do. Doesn't affect my life one
- 1:00Speaker 1: way or the other. But you can't come out here
- 1:03Speaker 1: and tell all these lies about who you are, the
- 1:06Speaker 1: type of person you are, and then have that kind
- 1:09Speaker 1: of skeleton hanging out in your closet because people are
- 1:13Speaker 1: going to find out eventually. And boy, have people found out.
- 1:16Speaker 1: And now it's turning into a whole ass thing because
- 1:20Speaker 1: if you're lying about that, what else are you lying about?
- 1:23Speaker 1: And that news dropped basically at the same time as
- 1:25Speaker 1: this lawsuit. So Why don't we jump into this article
- 1:30Speaker 1: from ABC4 up in Utah, and let's see exactly where
- 1:34Speaker 1: things stand. Headline, Utah man sues Candace Owens, alleges theories
- 1:40Speaker 1: over Charlie Kirk's assassination falsely implicated him. This article was
- 1:44Speaker 1: authored by Amelia Hobson. A Utah man suing conservative influencer. Conservative?
- 1:51Speaker 1: I wouldn't exactly call Candace Owens conservative, okay? Supports Hamas,
- 1:56Speaker 1: supports terrorism. thinks that every single criminal is innocent. So,
- 2:01Speaker 1: I don't think we have the same definition of what
- 2:05Speaker 1: conservatism is. Candace Owens, after she allegedly claimed he had
- 2:11Speaker 1: contributed to Charlie Kirk's assassination through alleged ties to malicious
- 2:16Speaker 1: foreign actors. Imagine having your brain so rotted that you
- 2:19Speaker 1: actually believe this shit. I mean, look, you all know
- 2:23Speaker 1: that I do not trust the government. But that doesn't
- 2:26Speaker 1: mean that everything they do is malicious and nefarious. It
- 2:30Speaker 1: doesn't mean that everything's a cover-up. You have to use
- 2:33Speaker 1: some discernment, right? You have to be able to see
- 2:35Speaker 1: the forest through the trees. But somebody like Candace Owens,
- 2:40Speaker 1: she doesn't give a shit. You know what she cares about?
- 2:43Speaker 1: The bottom line. How much money she can bring through.
- 2:47Speaker 1: What crazy outlandish shit can I say today? And me, personally,
- 2:51Speaker 1: I just have no time for it. I think it's disgusting.
- 2:55Speaker 1: And I think it's dangerous as fuck. There's a lot
- 2:57Speaker 1: of impressionable people out there. And when you have a podcast,
- 3:01Speaker 1: or any sort of platform, that has the reach that
- 3:04Speaker 1: Candace Owens does, you should be more responsible with what
- 3:07Speaker 1: you say and do. But when we're talking about getting
- 3:10Speaker 1: that bag, people don't give a shit. Everything goes directly
- 3:13Speaker 1: out the window. 23-year-old Tyler Robinson is set to head
- 3:16Speaker 1: to trial for allegedly pulling the trigger, causing Kirk's death.
- 3:20Speaker 1: He's facing the death penalty and remains in custody. However,
- 3:24Speaker 1: despite the ongoing proceedings against Robinson, one Utah man claims
- 3:28Speaker 1: that Candace has regularly pointed to him for his alleged
- 3:31Speaker 1: involvement in the assassination after seeing him in the crowd
- 3:34Speaker 1: of thousands. I wonder if she had a dream about
- 3:37Speaker 1: that too. Or maybe one of her friends over in
- 3:39Speaker 1: Russia told her. Or maybe one of those terrorists that
- 3:42Speaker 1: she loves so much dropped her a nice little email.
- 3:47Speaker 1: And I love when she says, look, I'm just asking questions. No,
- 3:49Speaker 1: you're not. That's not what you're doing. You're trying to
- 3:53Speaker 1: pollute the jury pool. Everybody knows what you're up to.
- 3:56Speaker 1: And it's the same shit you tried to pull with
- 3:58Speaker 1: Brian Koberger before you were chased away. But here you
- 4:01Speaker 1: are again running your fat yap and acting like you
- 4:04Speaker 1: know what's up when you don't have a clue. And
- 4:07Speaker 1: the fact that so many people have just lined up
- 4:10Speaker 1: behind this woman like a bunch of lemmings is bananas.
- 4:14Speaker 1: And look, a lot of that has to do with
- 4:15Speaker 1: the fact that the government is not exactly trustworthy either.
- 4:19Speaker 1: So it puts people in a position, right? A lot
- 4:21Speaker 1: of people want to hear the kind of things that
- 4:24Speaker 1: tickle their bias. And they're going to look for that
- 4:27Speaker 1: echo chamber. And if they have somebody out here like
- 4:30Speaker 1: Candace Owens pumping a bunch of bullshit, reinforcing their own bullshit,
- 4:35Speaker 1: then you end up in a situation like we see here.
- 4:40Speaker 1: Robert J. Hilde Jr. is described as a private citizen
- 4:42Speaker 1: in Utah who has not been in the public spotlight,
- 4:45Speaker 1: according to the lawsuit. It notes that Hilde was in
- 4:48Speaker 1: the audience in Orem that day, and he experienced the
- 4:51Speaker 1: trauma of watching a horrific murder up close. The lawsuit
- 4:55Speaker 1: also states that Candace has posted over 150 episodes, each
- 4:59Speaker 1: at least an hour long, about the assassination, allegedly purporting
- 5:03Speaker 1: conspiracy theories that foreign actors, the U.S. military, the Utah government,
- 5:08Speaker 1: Utah Valley University, Kirk's former head of security, and Charlie
- 5:11Speaker 1: Kirk's wife, Erica Kirk, all helped participate in the assassination.
- 5:17Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine that people actually buy into this? Like,
- 5:21Speaker 1: let's see some evidence, bro. And don't give me any
- 5:24Speaker 1: of the bullshit. Oh, well, you can't disprove this. That's
- 5:27Speaker 1: not how it works. I don't care about your little
- 5:29Speaker 1: fantasy land where all of you are inhabiting. That doesn't
- 5:32Speaker 1: mean anything in the court. I'm talking about evidence that's
- 5:36Speaker 1: admissible that destroys the government's allegations. And unless you have
- 5:40Speaker 1: that kind of evidence, you should probably shut up or say, look,
- 5:44Speaker 1: this is my opinion. Then, different story, right? If you're
- 5:49Speaker 1: just saying it's my opinion... then I have no beef
- 5:51Speaker 1: with you. You're allowed to have whatever opinion you want.
- 5:54Speaker 1: It's when you act as if you're the arbiter of truth,
- 5:57Speaker 1: when you're really just spitting off all kinds of speculation.
- 6:00Speaker 1: That's where I have a problem. The most relevant theory,
- 6:04Speaker 1: according to the lawsuit, is that Owen's claim that Hild
- 6:07Speaker 1: has ties to malicious foreign actors and is connected to
- 6:10Speaker 1: a gothic communist underground and contributed to Kirk's death. A
- 6:14Speaker 1: gothic and communist underground? Might be a bit of projection
- 6:19Speaker 1: coming from Miss Candace Owens, right? I mean, considering what
- 6:23Speaker 1: we've learned about her, maybe she's, you know, defending Tyler
- 6:27Speaker 1: Robinson because maybe Candace Owens is a furry too. Look,
- 6:31Speaker 1: I'm just asking questions, bro. Owens neither cares about the
- 6:36Speaker 1: truth nor the harmful effects her lies have on her targets,
- 6:40Speaker 1: the lawsuit claims. Owens' false statements about Hild have upended
- 6:44Speaker 1: his life. irreparably damaged his reputation and made him a
- 6:47Speaker 1: target for verbal attack and physical threats from Owen's substantial following. Oh,
- 6:52Speaker 1: and they're like a mob, right? Showing up, trying to
- 6:55Speaker 1: destroy people, talking shit, getting them thrown off of Twitter.
- 6:59Speaker 1: Here's the bad news for them. I don't care about
- 7:01Speaker 1: any of that. I don't give a flying fuck about Twitter,
- 7:04Speaker 1: about internet social credit. I don't care about any of it.
- 7:09Speaker 1: I don't even market this podcast. If you want to
- 7:11Speaker 1: find this podcast or you're listening to it, You found
- 7:14Speaker 1: it somehow, and it wasn't me marketing it. So that's
- 7:17Speaker 1: their most powerful weapon, right? Having people in fear of
- 7:22Speaker 1: losing sponsors, and I don't have any sponsors. It's me,
- 7:25Speaker 1: my microphone, and my home studio. So they can all
- 7:29Speaker 1: go get fucked. I'm going to say what I want,
- 7:31Speaker 1: what I want, and I'm going to tell you how
- 7:34Speaker 1: I feel. And if any of these goofies want that smoke,
- 7:37Speaker 1: I'm not hard to find. Hild reportedly asked Owens to
- 7:40Speaker 1: retract her comments about him. However, she reportedly refused, resulting
- 7:44Speaker 1: in the defamation lawsuit. The lawsuit names Candace Owens, also
- 7:48Speaker 1: known as Candace Owens Farmer, an LLC registered to Owens
- 7:53Speaker 1: and George Tom Inc., the owner and operator of CandaceOwens.com.
- 7:58Speaker 1: And that's her husband, right? George Farmer. And he's the
- 8:01Speaker 1: one that's in control of the behind the scenes. Hilton,
- 8:05Speaker 1: his friend identified in the lawsuit, Shanner Broderick, visited Utah
- 8:09Speaker 1: Valley University on September 10th in order to attend the
- 8:12Speaker 1: Turning Point USA American Comeback Tour. They were sat in
- 8:16Speaker 1: the crowd approximately 15 to 20 yards from where Charlie
- 8:19Speaker 1: Kirk was expected to speak. Between approximately 11.52 and 12.23 p.m.,
- 8:26Speaker 1: when Kirk was shot, video footage from multiple private individuals,
- 8:31Speaker 1: media organizations, and Turning Point reportedly showed Hild in the crowd.
- 8:36Speaker 1: After Kirk was shot, Hild and Broderick, as well as
- 8:39Speaker 1: another individual they were with, ran to Broderick's grandmother's house,
- 8:42Speaker 1: which was near UVU campus. It was there that Phil Lehman,
- 8:46Speaker 1: a former member of Utah's House of Representatives and a
- 8:49Speaker 1: relative of Broderick, arrived at the residence. So what's so
- 8:53Speaker 1: conspiratorial about that? Somebody gets dumped on at the campus
- 8:58Speaker 1: and you have family that lives close? Does it not
- 9:01Speaker 1: sound reasonable to go to their house? Let me just
- 9:04Speaker 1: stick around campus and see if somebody else shows up
- 9:06Speaker 1: with a machine gun. What are we talking about here?
- 9:10Speaker 1: They were reportedly there for several hours while law enforcement
- 9:13Speaker 1: searched for the suspect. Additionally, law enforcement collected surveillance system
- 9:17Speaker 1: footage from area residents, including Broderick's family members. The security
- 9:22Speaker 1: footage acquired by TMZ and cited in the lawsuit showed
- 9:26Speaker 1: the presumed suspect walking behind Broderick's grandmother's house after the shooting. Additionally,
- 9:32Speaker 1: the FBI released photos of the suspect from the UVU
- 9:35Speaker 1: security footage. Now look, if you want to be responsible
- 9:39Speaker 1: about that, You say, hey, here's what we have. We're
- 9:42Speaker 1: not exactly sure what's going on, but I want to
- 9:45Speaker 1: make sure that I share this video with everybody so
- 9:47Speaker 1: that we're all on the same page. But these people,
- 9:50Speaker 1: they don't wait for real facts. They don't wait for
- 9:52Speaker 1: real information. They go off half cocked. And it's a
- 9:56Speaker 1: lot of these people that have polluted the Epstein conversation
- 9:59Speaker 1: as well. And they make it a lot harder for
- 10:01Speaker 1: people that are serious and really want to get to
- 10:04Speaker 1: a point where there's justice for everybody to get to
- 10:08Speaker 1: that point. And your boy has had enough. These people
- 10:12Speaker 1: are fucking disgusting. They're corrosive. And all they care about
- 10:15Speaker 1: is their bottom line. Tyler Robinson later turned himself in.
- 10:20Speaker 1: Hilde later returned to the residence with the intent of
- 10:23Speaker 1: walking the path of the suspect. The lawsuit notes, Hilde
- 10:27Speaker 1: and Hilde's roommate, following Broderick's lead, went on a walk
- 10:30Speaker 1: that included some of the locations from the suspected shooter's
- 10:33Speaker 1: route following the shooting, as portrayed in media reports and
- 10:37Speaker 1: surveillance footage available to the public. The lawsuit states that
- 10:41Speaker 1: this was a way for them to process the fact
- 10:43Speaker 1: they witnessed Kirk's death. Additionally, it noted that Broderick posted
- 10:47Speaker 1: selfies of them following the path, and that he regularly
- 10:51Speaker 1: documents his life through photos. So because of this, she
- 10:56Speaker 1: thinks that he's the guy? So dumb. And anybody who
- 11:00Speaker 1: jumps in and believes that shit, what does that say
- 11:02Speaker 1: about you, honestly? Do a better job, okay? Stop consuming
- 11:09Speaker 1: this bullshit, golly. Hilde reportedly did not know that these
- 11:14Speaker 1: photos were posted and would not have consented to it
- 11:17Speaker 1: had he known. Owens found those photos and reached out
- 11:20Speaker 1: to Broderick on Instagram and he replied. However, she reportedly
- 11:24Speaker 1: never responded back to Broderick's messages and used those photos
- 11:28Speaker 1: in a podcast episode titled Episode 244. They're lying about
- 11:32Speaker 1: Tyler Robinson. Well, you're lying about Tyler Robinson, that's for sure. Now,
- 11:38Speaker 1: is the government telling us stories? We'll have to wait
- 11:40Speaker 1: and see. There's not enough out there yet for us
- 11:43Speaker 1: to know one way or the other. And as discovery
- 11:47Speaker 1: continues to roll, we're going to learn a lot more.
- 11:50Speaker 1: But if Candace Owens and all these other idiots out
- 11:53Speaker 1: here who think they know what's up really had the goods,
- 11:57Speaker 1: do you think that the lawyers from Tyler Robinson would
- 12:00Speaker 1: be ignoring them? Because I can assure you, during the
- 12:03Speaker 1: Epstein investigation, the lawyers were not ignoring us, okay? Documented fact.
- 12:09Speaker 1: And that's because we showed up with real evidence, okay?
- 12:13Speaker 1: And if you don't have any real evidence, what you're
- 12:15Speaker 1: doing is engaging in speculation. So just state that. And again,
- 12:20Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. That's how we get to
- 12:21Speaker 1: the point we're trying to get to, right? We ask questions,
- 12:24Speaker 1: then we try and find the evidence that backs it up.
- 12:27Speaker 1: My beef is that there's a lot of insinuation. There's
- 12:31Speaker 1: a lot of what if, but no real evidence. And
- 12:34Speaker 1: then you have these people showing up talking about, well,
- 12:36Speaker 1: Candace said, I don't give a fuck what Candace said.
- 12:39Speaker 1: Show me the evidence. And if you don't have it,
- 12:42Speaker 1: you can tell your whole ass story while you're walking.
- 12:45Speaker 1: Owens claimed that she had been in contact with the
- 12:47Speaker 1: UVU student who she called Nick, acknowledging that that is
- 12:51Speaker 1: not his true name and who she said had information
- 12:54Speaker 1: about the lawsuit. The lawsuit alleges that Nick was actually
- 12:58Speaker 1: a former candidate for Orem City Council. The lawsuit also
- 13:02Speaker 1: alleges that Owens used Broderick's social media posts and his
- 13:05Speaker 1: relation to Phil Lehman to further her theories. She also
- 13:09Speaker 1: pointed to Hild in one of Broderick's photographs and compared
- 13:12Speaker 1: it to the FBI's photo of the suspect. In her podcast,
- 13:16Speaker 1: Owens reportedly said the following. And by the way, I'm
- 13:20Speaker 1: looking at his, his, the friend on the right, and
- 13:23Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. I'd like to know who
- 13:25Speaker 1: that is at the very least. And, uh, I'd like
- 13:28Speaker 1: to know who everybody in the photo is. This is
- 13:30Speaker 1: just interesting. Like you guys are in the staircase and
- 13:33Speaker 1: posting side-by-sides. They put these side-by-side photos of them in
- 13:37Speaker 1: the staircase, and I was just like, I need to
- 13:39Speaker 1: know more about you, and I need to know more
- 13:41Speaker 1: about these two individuals who I couldn't find on his
- 13:44Speaker 1: friends list. And they certainly hadn't liked the photo, or
- 13:47Speaker 1: else I would have messaged them directly to figure out
- 13:49Speaker 1: who they are. And yeah, I found that very strange.
- 13:53Speaker 1: I mean, really? That's it? That's what you got? I
- 13:57Speaker 1: found it very strange. I had a vibe. I had
- 14:01Speaker 1: a tarot reader tell me, as we would say in
- 14:04Speaker 1: the South Bronx, get the fuck out of here. The
- 14:07Speaker 1: lawsuit alleges that after Owens said this, many of her
- 14:10Speaker 1: followers also drew comparisons between Hild and the photo of
- 14:14Speaker 1: the suspect. And that's her goal. Rile up all of
- 14:17Speaker 1: those wine moms and cat ants and have them go crazy.
- 14:22Speaker 1: On September 30th, 2025, Owens posted a photo that used
- 14:25Speaker 1: the photo of Broderick and Hild next to a photo
- 14:28Speaker 1: of Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. She also said the following.
- 14:33Speaker 1: Because I got to identify that guy in the blue hat.
- 14:35Speaker 1: Many of you figured out, by the way, and wrote
- 14:37Speaker 1: to the tips box exactly what we were interested about
- 14:40Speaker 1: in that person with the blue hat. Oh no, he
- 14:43Speaker 1: had a picture with Bibi Netanyahu? Of course it's the Jews, right?
- 14:49Speaker 1: It's always the Jews. And not shockingly, she's now blaming
- 14:54Speaker 1: the Jews for outing her as a lesbian. Talk about hilarious.
- 15:00Speaker 1: You notice the same thing that we noticed. He kind
- 15:02Speaker 1: of resembles, certainly more so than Tyler Robinson does, the
- 15:05Speaker 1: blurred image of the individual that was coming up the stairs,
- 15:08Speaker 1: she claimed. Owens also allegedly found a photograph from a
- 15:12Speaker 1: gothic prom event in Provo and claimed one of the
- 15:15Speaker 1: individuals looked like Hild. This reportedly led Owens to argue
- 15:19Speaker 1: that they were one and the same and that Hild
- 15:21Speaker 1: is part of a communist underground. In the lawsuit, it
- 15:25Speaker 1: notes that Hild has no association with a gothic or
- 15:28Speaker 1: a communist underground. After Owens posted these claims, multiple people
- 15:32Speaker 1: shared online that they knew Hilde personally and that Owens'
- 15:35Speaker 1: comments were false. Additionally, people began placing bets on a
- 15:39Speaker 1: prediction market website claiming Hilde was a real shooter. Bro,
- 15:43Speaker 1: she should be sued into oblivion. She has a responsibility
- 15:47Speaker 1: as a content creator to get it right. And if
- 15:51Speaker 1: you don't get it right, you should apologize. Has she
- 15:55Speaker 1: done that? No, she just doubles down. And you know
- 15:58Speaker 1: how she always talks about, well, discovery. Well, get ready
- 16:01Speaker 1: for some discovery, Candace. And I don't think it's going
- 16:04Speaker 1: to be as much fun as you and your supporters
- 16:06Speaker 1: think it's going to be. Owens reportedly told her audience
- 16:10Speaker 1: that nobody had come forward. The lawsuit states Owens thus
- 16:14Speaker 1: used the false premise that nobody could identify Hilde to
- 16:17Speaker 1: convey to her audience that Hilde is using an alias,
- 16:20Speaker 1: that he's not really from Washington State, or, and that
- 16:24Speaker 1: he did not really attend school in Utah. All to
- 16:26Speaker 1: further her narrative, that he is a malicious foreign agent.
- 16:30Speaker 1: A malicious foreign agent. Yeah, and I'm the backup shortstop
- 16:34Speaker 1: for the New York Yankees. Another political influencer posted on
- 16:38Speaker 1: X about Hill's alleged connection and were reached out to
- 16:41Speaker 1: by people who knew Hill. After they learned that Hill
- 16:44Speaker 1: did not have any connection, the account publicly apologized to
- 16:47Speaker 1: Hill and tagged Owens in the post. Despite this, the
- 16:51Speaker 1: lawsuit alleges, Owens continued falsely linking Hilde to the shooting
- 16:55Speaker 1: and reportedly told Hilde's roommate, who reached out to clear Hilde,
- 16:59Speaker 1: that she would only explain the mix-up and apologize if
- 17:02Speaker 1: she could speak to Hilde directly. Yo, she's cooked. She's
- 17:06Speaker 1: gonna lose this lawsuit. The lawsuit argues that Owens' actions
- 17:10Speaker 1: has drastically impacted Hilde's life. For the first five to
- 17:14Speaker 1: six weeks after Owens identified Hilde by name in association
- 17:17Speaker 1: with Kirk's assassination, Hilde hid out of fear that he
- 17:21Speaker 1: would be recognized and harmed by members of Owens' audience,
- 17:24Speaker 1: the lawsuit states. Hilde even applied for refugee status in
- 17:28Speaker 1: another country. Hilde left the state of Utah for several
- 17:32Speaker 1: months out of fear for his own life and safety.
- 17:35Speaker 1: Sounds like Candace Owens has an audience problem as well.
- 17:38Speaker 1: Maybe people out there that listen to Candace Owens should
- 17:41Speaker 1: check themselves. Oh, let's go threaten somebody because Candace Owens
- 17:45Speaker 1: told us. Bunch of goofballs. Hilde reportedly fears marrying his
- 17:51Speaker 1: current girlfriend over concerns that she'll be stalked, has received
- 17:55Speaker 1: medical treatment due to living in fear and anxiety, and
- 17:58Speaker 1: has had his professional career hindered as a result of
- 18:01Speaker 1: Owens' actions. Based against the allegations of defamation, invasion of privacy,
- 18:06Speaker 1: and emotional distress imposed by Owens, Hilde is asking for
- 18:10Speaker 1: punitive and compensatory damages as determined by a jury trial.
- 18:15Speaker 1: ABC has reached out to Owens via her website. We're
- 18:18Speaker 1: waiting to hear back as of this article's publishing. Well,
- 18:21Speaker 1: you'll have to listen to her podcast, right? Drip, drip, drip. Look, folks,
- 18:26Speaker 1: here's the bottom line, okay? Candace Owens is spinning a
- 18:29Speaker 1: bunch of bullshit. And it was only a matter of
- 18:32Speaker 1: time before she ended up getting sued. And real talk,
- 18:35Speaker 1: I doubt this is the last lawsuit that we see
- 18:38Speaker 1: filed against Candace Owens. So we'll keep an eye on it.
- 18:42Speaker 1: And when we have some more movement one way or
- 18:43Speaker 1: the other, we'll get it added to the catalog. All
- 18:46Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
- 18:49Speaker 1: in the description box.