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North East Footy News 25 JAN 2024 · THE RED RADIO

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  Music.
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  Morning Daz, morning Steve, morning Teddy boy Good morning sunshine How are
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  we all on this fine Thursday morning?
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  Doing really well I'm annoyed Oh no,
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  Because Daz cut us off in our prime We were talking off air about all things
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  historical, geographical, about Sunderland And you were enjoying it,
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  you were drinking in the information from my fountain of knowledge,
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  and I rudely interrupted you. It's the only time we get to catch up.
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  We've got a short to do. A short to do. Fancy that.
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  Apparently, that's why we're here. Well, I'm just learning, for those just tuning
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  in, I'm just learning that Sunderland is obviously been owned by someone named
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  Hilton, and they've gone around and just named everything Hilton something.
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  So I'm now calling him Hilton Ted from now on because you've got Hilton Red
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  House, Hilton Castle Estate, Hilton Lane Estate. State.
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  It's now Hilton Ted. So we were just doing it.
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  You'll realise why in a bit later. But what's going on, everybody?
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  Good morning. Happy Thursday.
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  Welcome to the North East Football Brekkie Show, where we talk everything but
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  football sometimes, especially when Middlesbrough have a bad loss.
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  But we've got to talk about today for your Thursday morning.
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  Yeah, I said that real late, Aussie. Good night today.
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  Liverpool v Chelsea is now the confirmed Carabao Cup final.
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  Is that expected? Well done, Carabao Cup. You got the final that you wanted. Confirmed by the EFL.
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  We've got the season for next season in the EFL confirmed.
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  The dates, how many games are played and want to talk to the lads about that.
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  Real Madrid as well have overtaken Manchester City to become the highest revenue
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  generating football club in the world.
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  So we're going to talk to the lads about money generated by these clubs.
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  If there's going to be anyone else.
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  UK billionaire Joe Lewis, whose family trust owns Tottenham Hotspur,
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  has has pleaded guilty to insider trading in a U.S. court as well.
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  We'll get some blowdown on that and what that might mean for Tottenham.
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  VAR, baby, VAR. Four minutes past seven, VAR.
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  Nottingham Forest have been informed by the referees' organisation that the
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  video assistant referee...
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  Did not have the power to rule out Brentford, a.k.a. Ivan Toney's disputed equaliser on Saturday.
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  What a system, hey? We'll talk to the lads more about that.
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  PSV have just lost their first game in their domestic competition after exactly one year.
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  They went 40 games unbeaten. Want to talk to the lads about what an exciting league that must be.
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  And then lastly as well, lads, the majority of the Nottingham Forest squad do
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  not have pay cut clauses in their contracts in the event of relegation. Uh-oh.
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  With that and a lot more coming up on the North East Brekkie Show for your Thursday morning.
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  But as always, we start off with some club headlines to go around to each of
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  the three clubs and find out what's making headlines for their club.
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  Mind you, the Sunderland one will probably be long and a little bit boring.
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  Smoggies and proud. Borough News.
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  Music.
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  Good morning, Borough fans. How are we, you beautiful humans of the North East?
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  I hope you're fantastic safe and well and we're completely and utterly
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  forgetting about the carabao car michael carrick continues
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  to reiterate that middlesbrough won't make any panic signings at
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  the end of the january transfer window i have already so far added luke ailing
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  and finnaz to their squad and are braced for another aston villa push to sign
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  morgan rogers before the window closes it's unknown at this stage whether rogers
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  departure would prompt borough to look for a replacement with the zaz's arrival
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  already leaving them well stocked in that forward slash higher midfield department.
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  However, since signing Ayling's second week of the month, Borough's recruitment
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  team have now been focused on trying to find a centre forward with Emmanuel,
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  Latelath and Josh Coburn both having issues throughout the season with injuries.
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  In what isn't a very active market in general, however, Borough have so far
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  been frustrated in their search trying to find a striker, aren't we all?
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  And Borough will also now have a couple of weeks to recover,
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  just remembering that Birmingham tie this weekend has been postponed due to
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  their advancement in the FA Cup.
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  They will be back on the 4th of February against a certain team near Monk Wearmouth,
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  south of Whitburn, near Hilton Redhouse.
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  And just a reminder, we beat them 4-0 and it's in our own backyard.
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  That's your morning headlines. Good morning.
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  Magpies and Proud. Mag News. Morning, Newcastle fans.
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  With the clock ticking in the transfer window, the gap in valuation between
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  Newcastle and Bayern Munich over Kieran Trippier looks to be too wide after
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  comments from the Bundesliga side's sporting director on Wednesday night to
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  the effect that their interest in him is over.
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  Yesterday brought a bid of £30m, which was rejected by Newcastle,
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  and Bayern then announced that that was that.
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  Meanwhile, Miguel Miron is understood to have told the club that he doesn't
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  want to leave St James' Park this month.
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  The midfielder has been linked with a move to Al-Shabaab with a total of £30m
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  as the fee for the Paraguay skipper.
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  But he is less than a year into a newly penned contract and loves life on Tyneside.
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  It is believed that Almiron and his family are not open to a move this month.
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  On the injury front, Newcastle striker Callum Wilson is likely to miss the Fulham
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  match in the FA Cup but he will be ready for the trip to Aston Villa at the end of the month.
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  While Joe Willock has been stepping up his recovery behind
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  the scenes The Chronicle are reporting that he won't feature until
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  at least February while Harvey Barnes is back
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  on the grass and trying to overcome his recurring foot issue and on Tuesday
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  Gambia played their third and final game of their African Cup of Nations group
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  stage campaign and they lost 3-2 to Cameroon in the Ivory Coast Tuesday saw
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  Gambia play their third and final game of the African Cup of Nations stage stage,
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  and after a defeat to Senegal 3-0 and Guinea 1-0, the Scorpions needed victory
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  to have any chance of securing third place in Group C and the possibility of
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  qualifying for the knockout stage.
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  With Newcastle's Yancouba Mente retaining his place in the side,
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  things looked good for Gambier when they came from behind to lead 2-1 with five
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  minutes left, with then Cameroon Levels going 3-2 ahead during time added on,
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  a VAR decision then denying Gambier a goal after they thought they'd made it 3-3.
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  Mente will now return to fire note to continue his lone spell,
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  That's in your castle headlines on Thursday morning.
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  Mackhams and Proud. Black Cats News.
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  Morning, Sunderland fans. You may start breathing a sigh of relief as one of
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  Jack Clark's most prominent interested parties have made alternative plans.
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  Transfer insider Fabrizio Romano has stated that negotiations are advancing
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  fast for West Ham to bring Nordic's land winger Ibrahim Osman to London for
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  a fee of around £15.3 million.
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  He also adds that fresh round of talks are scheduled today and tomorrow in order
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  for all parties to get the deal done. Hopefully that means Clarke is staying.
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  Sunderland women's news now. An Aston Villa could face punishment for fielding
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  an ineligible player in their Continental League Cup game against Sunderland last night.
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  Noelle Moritz, who joined Villa from Arsenal in January, came off the bench
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  in their 7-0 victory over Sunderland, which ensured Villa's progression to the
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  quarter-finals as Group A winners. but Moritz had already played three times
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  for Arsenal earlier in the competition.
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  The FA are thought to be investigating however the FA rules say any club found
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  to have played an ineligible player in a cup match or cup matches shall be in
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  breach of these rules and the matter shall be referred to an independent tribunal for determination.
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  And finally Manchester United's stance on Ahmad Diallo remains clear despite
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  the breakdown of other United players loan moves during the January transfer window.
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  Ahmad of course enjoyed a fruitful loan spell at Sunderland last season in the
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  championship and helped propel the team to the playoffs.
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  The Black Cats were keen for the player to return last summer but a knee injury complicated matters.
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  The Black Cats were credited with an interest in the attack of this January
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  after Ahmad's return to fitness however United plan to keep Ahmad this month
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  after paying Italian side Atalanta a reported fee of 19 million pounds rising
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  to 37 million pounds for the player in 2020.
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  There are your short Sunderland headlines.
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  From Wickham to Whitley Bay, Stoneygate to Shields, Doggie to Darlow Back Lane.
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  Music.
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  Sorry about that. I had a Hilton nap during those Sunderland headlines.
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  I tell you, I just drifted off there. Hang on a second. Hang on a second. Right.
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  Okay. In the week that we got thrashed, I think it's fair to say,
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  at the Borough against Chelsea. Yes.
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  Did Ted sneak out that Sunderland got beat 7-0 there in the same week? Ooh.
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  Sunderland women's team were beaten 7-0 unfairly because our last football hit.
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  Ah. So it was unfair. So that was okay. Ah. Ah. Broke the rules. Right, right.
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  Break the rules. Break the rules. Hilton, by the way, lads, it was the Hilton
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  family ride, just to educate you a little bit. Oh, really?
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  There's a nice castle in Sunderland, Hilton Castle, which is a nice heritage
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  site, and I've just had a thought.
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  I've never been there for obvious reasons, never really looked around Sunderland,
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  but I'll take it when I'm over.
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  You'll have to, yeah, but it looks really nice. It's the kind of place I would go to.
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  And the Hilton family had it until the mid-1700s when the last air,
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  Well, Baron Hilton died without a male heir.
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  So in 1746, the castle was passed on.
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  So it's had a variety of owners since then. But yeah, the Hilton family were
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  a very rich family back in the day.
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  So that's probably why there's a lot of streets and things named after them
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  and a lot of areas named after them. So there you go.
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  But you can Google it to your heart's content today, right?
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  Well, I didn't even realize that. That's interesting.
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  I aren't part of something. If you think that's cool, wait till you hear about
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  Penshaw Monument. If you ever come to the northeast, we're going to have such
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  a trip out, mate. Honestly, it'd be brilliant. Yeah, I can't wait.
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  I can't wait. I want to go to Rye Hope and just be like, hello, my citizens.
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  Is it Rye Hope? That's what I'm calling it.
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  Hello, I am the mayor of Rye Hope now. I own all of you. So is it Rye Hope?
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  Anyone tuning in from Rye Hope?
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  Rye Hope Engines Museum is where I produced all my engines.
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  That's another one. This is geography on a Thursday morning,
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  would you believe it? Just if you weren't having a sleep in,
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  now you can, because we're talking geography.
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  But I hope you're all fantastic, safe and well. It's good to have you boys with
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  us, a full entourage today.
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  No radio, Dad. He's having a sleep in, but we do prefer you sometime, Daz.
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  It's all right. He was on fine form yesterday. He was on fine form yesterday.
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  Well, our friend Daniil has been in touch this morning. Oh, Daniil.
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  Pleased to get an early win with what the fact yesterday. Let the games begin today, he said.
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  Yes. Well, I've got a certain game coming up in the next hour,
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  but unfortunately it's going to be more on the pressuring, the pressure cooker,
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  if you will, if of the two lads to my left and right, Steve and Ted,
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  Daz will be refereeing this one.
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  So stay tuned for that one. That's coming through in the next hour.
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  But, lads, we've got a lot to talk about, so let's get into it.
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  We've got to talk about last night's Liverpool v Chelsea Carabao Cup final now confirmed.
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  Liverpool coming through against Fulham in a one-all draw, one of the most boring
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  games I've seen in a long time.
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  It was a pretty dire game. I'm not going to lie, but it has lined up,
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  obviously, Chelsea-Liverpool final, which you would argue is probably the best
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  outcome for Carabao Cup because now they get the most fans into the ground.
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  The game will take take place on the 25th of February, so about a month from
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  today, on a Sunday, it does seem, unless it could be changed.
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  I'll start with you, Teddy boy, Liverpool-Chelsea, probably the most obvious
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  outcome out of all of the teams in the Carabao Cup, maybe obviously a Man City
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  or something like that, potentially, but I think it's good for tickets, right?
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  Well, it's not. I mean, I watched the first half last night,
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  and as soon as Liverpool scored, I thought, well, that's pretty Pretty much it.
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  It was proved to be the case. I mean, there was a late rally from Fulham,
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  but it wasn't enough ultimately.
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  So scrolling through X, formerly known as Twitter, and our friend of the show,
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  James Copley, Jimmy Coppers, as you like to call him. Jimmy?
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  James actually nailed it and said basically that like, this top flight football
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  now is just becoming a little bit boring and predictable, especially the cup games.
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  Had Fulham getting through, I probably would have watched the final because
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  you want to see, you know, you want to see how the underdog gets on, don't you?
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  Same reason why I watched the Middlesbrough game as well.
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  Well, it is, yeah. It's just become very predictable. It's like it's the same
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  winners just about, I think it's had maybe four winners in the last decade.
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  It's kind of like, yeah, it's just become a little bit stale.
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  Maybe we need to have a look at these cup competitions and see if we can breathe new life into them.
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  I don't know, you know, maybe play the Premier League teams from the first round
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  and let the lower league teams join in at the third round and that,
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  you know, mix it up a little bit, make it a bit more interesting,
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  and make it a bigger chance for the smaller clubs to actually get through and
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  earn some money out of it, first of all.
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  And then, you know, obviously, hopefully they get a bit of a shock result as well.
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  Well, it's funny you should mention that, Teddy Boy, because actually from next
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  season, they have confirmed that there will be no second leg in the semifinal for the Carabao Cup.
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  So from next season, it'll just be the one game with whoever pulls their hat
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  out of the ball out correctly.
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  We'll get the home game and that's it. So it would just be a one-off game.
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  So if we were here next season, we'd be in the final, Daz, because we won the game.
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  We won the first game. That's a good point. So technically, we are in the Carabao Cup final. Yeah.
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  Those doors are moving a bit closer. Technically, we are Carabao Cup finalists.
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  That's what I'm hanging on to.
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  Stevie Boy, Carabao Cup, Liverpool v. Chelsea.
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  Obviously, Middlesbrough, you know, in theory, next year would have been in
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  it. But is it something you're going to tune into? Something you can skip and have a sleep in?
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  I mean, look, it'll be an interesting game. Chelsea have certainly upped their game.
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  You know, they've suddenly started to find form. It's took them,
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  you know, best part of two years and three managers to finally get,
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  you know, a team playing as a team.
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  And, you know, it started with that win against Newcastle, a penalty shootout.
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  That could have ended the season.
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  They could have been a downward slump after that, but they won the penalty shootout,
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  and then they've gone on, regained some decent form in the league.
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  They're climbing up the table and, you know, now they're in a cup final.
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  It just shows you, you know, the fine margins, you know, at that level.
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  Liverpool, yeah, I mean, this is the third time that Jurgen Klopp's taken them
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  to the League Cup final. He's won behind Bob Paisley now, who got them there four times.
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  It's a competition which, I guess, was on the verge of, you know,
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  almost being irrelevant, but when Carabao have come on board,
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  They seem to have caused a little resurgence in it. It's become exciting again. Crowds are up.
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  Cheaper tickets for these cup games have attracted the crowds again,
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  which some of the big clubs in the Premier League now are all season ticket grounds.
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  It's difficult for people to get in. So cheap deals for kids and families,
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  £10 for adults, £5 for kids at Newcastle for a lot of these games.
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  It's brought people back to the competition. So it's regained its interest, I think.
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  But I get where you're coming from with the fact that it's a Liverpool-Chelsea
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  final. You know, last year was Newcastle against Manchester United.
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  You know, Newcastle was a new team there. I mean, you know, the last time we'd
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  been to the League Cup final was 76.
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  So, you know, there is hope, I guess, in that competition that you can get,
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  you know, you can get a team to the final that, you know, hasn't won anything.
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  I mean, over the years, it's embarrassing the amount of what I would call,
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  you know, lesser teams than, say, Newcastle, Sunderland or Middlesbrough have
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  gone on to win the trophy.
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  And, you know, we're all still scratching around, you know, not having won anything for years.
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  So, you know, it is one that can create a shock, but clearly not this year.
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  Liverpool, Chelsea is, you know, is the final.
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  We've just got to accept it and hope we can change that next season.
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  I'm a fan of the two legs in the semi
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  I think that is the way that essentially it gives
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  you a chance of having somebody else in a
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  final I think it changes the direction of the game I think if
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  you've just got a one-off semi-final I think that it too turns up on the day
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  but the beauty of it is that you have that hope Middlesbrough had hope yesterday
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  going into the game two days ago when they went into that game it was half-time
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  they were winning 1-0 obviously we know now Now, you know, Chelsea turned up,
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  Middlesbrough didn't and, you know, the rest is history.
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  But they, you know, I think the two legs creates that excitement.
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  Things can change, things can be turned around and, you know,
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  you've got to play it a different way.
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  And I'll be upset to see that change. I would like to see a bit more clarity
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  in the Cups though. We're talking about the FA Cup now.
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  And we'll be talking about that tomorrow, I guess, with Newcastle playing Fulham.
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  But they're constantly changing the rules.
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  And so there's a replay in the fourth round.
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  So should Newcastle get a draw at Fulham on Saturday, it's back to St.
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  James' Park, I think, on the 6th of February for a replay.
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  But then in the fifth round, the replays are stopping.
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  And then next year, there's no replays. The replays are being taken out of the
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  game. and now we're returning back to extra time and penalties. And I hate penalties.
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  I don't think penalties is the right way to decide anything.
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  You know, I just think it's wrong that you play an entire, you know,
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  you play through an entire cup run and it's decided, you know,
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  you get to a semi-final, it's decided on penalties.
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  I think that's horrendous. I'd rather have the golden goal, but I know some
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  people prefer penalties. I prefer the golden goal.
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  I just, I'm not a fan of it. But yeah, it's the expected final, sadly.
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  You know West Ham you know West Ham give it a good go Borough give it a good
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  go but you know Liverpool Chelsea it is and yeah I'll watch it I will watch
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  it I think it'll be a decent game I do enjoy although I don't like Klopp's histrionics
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  I do enjoy watching Liverpool play and if Chelsea keep up this run of form that
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  they're on it could be a cracking final,
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  Yeah I won't be watching it so move on.
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  What was that what was that that Gary Neville said it was at Manchester City
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  versus Liverpool and he was asked what he thought about the game and he said it's like trying to.
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  Pick someone to punch your wife or something like that. You know,
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  it was a bizarre statement.
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  Trying to get banned from TV, is he? Yeah, no, no, it was a long time ago.
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  You've been up and down with Joey Bott. Yeah.
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  But his point was that I'm not interested in making that decision about who's
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  going to win this game or even watch this game because, yeah, I've lost interest.
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  If there'd have been, I think it was Ted who said it, if there'd have been an
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  underdog in there, if Fulham had got through, I'd have been backing Fulham all
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  the way. But yeah, I don't think I'm going to watch a Chelsea-Liverpool final now.
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  It's crazy that we can consider Fulham an underdog as well, isn't it?
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  That just shows you how the top four, top six, you know, that are always in
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  there, at Fulham, you know, who are in the Premier League, are still considered
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  an underdog because it's not Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City.
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  Do you know what I mean? And that's the thing. And a few comments that came
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  out from the Carabao Cup, the performers for Middlesbrough that I've seen,
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  obviously, that I got tagged in and sent, you know, a million DMs.
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  Thanks for all those, by the way, as if I wasn't hurting enough.
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  Was that just the gap between the Premier League and Championship and the void
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  is as big as it's ever been is what people are saying now.
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  And they reckon that it's, you know, the gap between there.
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  But I would argue as well the gap between that top six, maybe that top four
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  even, is starting to open up as well.
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  I mean, we're seeing it with the top three teams of the Championship coming
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  up. I mean, that's obviously evident how big the gap is to jump up.
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  It's two halves now, Ray.
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  It's two halves now. I think I've said it this season.
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  Once upon a time, there was a top, a middle and a bottom. There's no middle now.
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  And that's the thing. In the Premier League, you've got, you know,
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  you did have the big six. Almost like a big eight.
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  It is, yeah. I mean, you know, anything down to anything. I am going to include
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  Newcastle because of the season they had last season.
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  And let's see where they are in May. Fair enough. You know, anyone down to 10th,
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  which is where Newcastle find themselves at the moment, has got a chance of Europe at the moment.
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  I mean, you could probably take it to 11th where Worlds are.
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  I think Bournemouth will have a struggle to get to Europe this season.
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  But Wolves could put a run together. They're doing really well with Gary O'Neill.
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  And then I think anyone from Bournemouth down over to Sheffield United could go down.
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  It's probably looking like that bottom three, though. Sheffield United, Burnley, Luton.
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  I think the only thing that'll change that is if Everton lose points with another,
• 21:25
  you know, another points deduction for FFP. Or Forest.
• 21:28
  Or Forest, of course, yeah. They're involved.
• 21:30
  But, you know, you string a run together of wins and, you know,
• 21:34
  Bournemouth are right in it.
• 21:35
  So you're just doing, oh, and Fulham. We'll call them a big club But they're
• 21:38
  sitting in 13th place On 24 points So yeah There's no middle anymore There's
• 21:42
  no middle There's no middle table,
• 21:46
  Did you know, lads, I've got a fact for you. You know you like me, fact.
• 21:51
  I do? The Carabao Cup. The Carabao is actually a Philippine English term for
• 21:55
  the water buffalo, which is quite apt because we do speak a whole load of bull.
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  Very good. Well done. Well done. Carry on.
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  We're about six minutes away from the sports headlines, and it's a perfect time
• 22:10
  to get this in and out of the way because this is one of the stories that sadly
• 22:14
  we keep talking about out and one that we have to bring up,
• 22:16
  but it's just one that the lads and I, I think we're all in agreement and we've
• 22:22
  spoken about it a lot, but it's racism in football.
• 22:24
  We've seen it, unfortunately, again, over the weekend where we saw incidents
• 22:28
  at Udinese and Sheffield Wednesday again with one closer to our home with Sheffield
• 22:33
  Wednesday fans once again, proving that they need to pull their heads in.
• 22:38
  But the question that needs to be asked, guys, is FIFA president Giannano Infantino.
• 22:43
  What a pronunciation there by Rye. Well done. Thank you.
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  He's saying that there should be an automatic forfeit of games for teams whose
• 22:52
  fans commit racist abuse.
• 22:54
  Teddy boy, if Sheffield Wednesday or any team in the championship,
• 22:58
  you see a fan committing racial abuse, how do you feel about that team being
• 23:03
  automatically forfeited and you win the game and game over?
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  I think the way It's weird that you mention this, because I actually watched
• 23:11
  an article about this, watched a short video about this.
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  I believe, and correct me if I'm
• 23:16
  wrong, anyone out there, that initially a complaint goes to the referee.
• 23:22
  The referee will then speak to some sort of official, and then there should
• 23:26
  be some form of announcement goes out.
• 23:28
  Now, once that announcement goes out, hopefully your fans have the common sense
• 23:34
  to police themselves and get rid of anybody who's creating what is just absolute scumbag behaviour.
• 23:41
  It's nothing but trouble. That's what they're trying to cause.
• 23:44
  So hopefully at that point it sorts itself
• 23:47
  out i believe the game then can
• 23:50
  be sort of uh suspended for a
• 23:53
  short amount of time until stewards etc
• 23:56
  go and investigate try and remove individuals and then
• 23:59
  the third pause for it apparently the referee
• 24:02
  has the power to postpone the game and basically call the
• 24:05
  game off so on that
• 24:08
  basis if the clubs are policing this right
• 24:11
  yes you're always was going to get idiots but to
• 24:14
  to highlight this i think maybe that's
• 24:17
  one of the only ways we can do it is actually suspend teams from
• 24:20
  competitions or or if it's a league game dock them the three points it's a very
• 24:25
  very severe way and it's it's it's not fair on the vast majority of fans who
• 24:30
  go there for the game for the love of the game and want to see their team do
• 24:33
  well they want to see their team play against local rivals all that kind of
• 24:36
  thing without causing any aggravation so it's It's very,
• 24:40
  very harsh on the 99.9% of fans who are there for the right reason.
• 24:45
  But it does, if you do start and suspend these games and invoke these penalties,
• 24:50
  I guess, then yeah, the fans are going to police themselves and they're going
• 24:54
  to ensure that their club is free of this kind of reputation.
• 24:59
  What do you reckon, Steve? I mean, obviously the FIFA president wants it,
• 25:03
  but could you see, we've always wanted harsher penalties, but could you see
• 25:08
  a team having to forfeit their match because their fan base has performed a racist gesture?
• 25:13
  Is that fair on the team and the players that are on the pitch?
• 25:16
  Yeah, I mean, look, it's, you know, something which has unfortunately been part
• 25:19
  of football for many, many years.
• 25:21
  I mean, I go back to the 80s when we used to walk into the Gallagher and there
• 25:24
  was, you know, skinheads with boots on selling the National Front magazine.
• 25:28
  And, you know, I remember the days where, you know, players would be running on to warm up at St.
• 25:33
  James's Park and they were getting, you know, monkey chants at them and bananas thrown at them.
• 25:37
  It's, you know, it's something which was part of 80s football and,
• 25:40
  you know, was rightly stamped out in the 90s. And now with cameras,
• 25:46
  with, you know, they've got signs up in the ground.
• 25:49
  They've got hotlines that you can text on the dates in James's Park to report any type of behaviour.
• 25:55
  You know, there's no excuse for not, you know, not being able to weed out individuals
• 25:59
  who think that it's a good idea to do that at a match.
• 26:02
  Do I think a club should be punished?
• 26:04
  Not if they do things properly. I think taking points off teams and punishing
• 26:09
  the team for the action of a minority at a football ground is wrong.
• 26:14
  I think as long as the club are taking out the correct...
• 26:17
  The correct precautions to stop these people getting into the ground.
• 26:20
  And if something happens at the ground, those people are treated in the correct way, i.e.
• 26:25
  Given a ban from the ground and that problem stamped out. I think that's punishment enough.
• 26:32
  You should be targeting the individuals, but I also think you should be educating
• 26:36
  the individuals as well.
• 26:37
  I don't think you can ever have too much education when you're dealing with this kind of issue.
• 26:43
  And the clubs are good at that. I certainly know my club is good at that, Newcastle United,
• 26:48
  they are, you know, they are very good at, you know, leading that kind of,
• 26:51
  you know, leading that kind of campaign and reminding people that,
• 26:55
  you know, that no way, shape or form is racism welcome at the ground.
• 26:59
  And yeah, I've seen, you know, I've seen various reports over the years of,
• 27:03
  you know, of people being ejected and moved.
• 27:05
  And we've seen it in recent times with, you know, other acts of,
• 27:08
  you know, you know, stupidity at grounds where people have used photographs
• 27:12
  of, you know, the late Bradley Lowry, you know, to mock Sunderland fans.
• 27:16
  And those people have been, you know, you know, highlighted straight away because
• 27:20
  of the CCTV within the ground and, you know, and prosecuted.
• 27:24
  So, yeah, long may that continue.
• 27:26
  Anyone who, you know, decides to act like that in a football ground should be
• 27:30
  punished. But should the clubs be punished? Should the team be punished?
• 27:33
  No, not if you're taking the correct precautions.
• 27:36
  It's disgusting. Get it out of our game, I tell you. And it's sad that it's
• 27:39
  Sheffield Wednesday again.
• 27:41
  But let's move on. Sports headlines time. We'll be back after this with more
• 27:45
  on the North East Brekkie show coming right up.
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  Music.
• 27:48
  Together across the North East. The turn back hand and the red.
• 27:55
  Welcome back to the North East Brekkie Show. You're tuning in with Rye,
• 27:58
  the Borough fan, Ted, the Mackham, Steve, the Geordie, and Daz,
• 28:02
  the button pusher, but also a Borough fan.
• 28:04
  We are not talking Carabao Cup anymore, so if you are going to WhatsApp in the
• 28:08
  show, we'll give you the number, but if it's about Borough and the Carabao Cup,
• 28:11
  you will be banned. Daz, what's that number?
• 28:15
  It's 033-043-2002. We'd love to hear from you this morning. That's our WhatsApp number.
• 28:21
  You can drop us a message. You can drop us a voice note. click on the little
• 28:24
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• 28:27
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• 28:32
  to contact the three leg ends this morning Steve, Ted and Ray on the North East Footy Brekkie,
• 28:39
  And please stop, if you are one of the fan people of calling up for Ted,
• 28:43
  he will not return your calls, all right? He said no more fan mail, all right?
• 28:46
  So please stop sending it to station. We're inundated.
• 28:49
  All right. Now I'm going to talk about… You speak for all of my 27 followers.
• 28:55
  We're going to talk about the EFL, lads, because this is kind of driving me a little bit insane.
• 29:00
  Obviously, it affects Barra and Sunderland, potentially hoping that we won't
• 29:04
  be, but we are going to be affected by this next season. and you would think
• 29:07
  in the 24-25 season has been announced the details of when it will kick off,
• 29:11
  how long it will go for, yada, yada, yada.
• 29:13
  The confirmed season date will be kicking off on the 10th to the 11th of August
• 29:17
  2024 and the regular campaign will end on May the 3rd, 2025.
• 29:22
  There will be 46 rounds of league matches taking place across 33 weekends,
• 29:27
  nine midweeks and four bank holidays in the championship.
• 29:31
  Teddy boy, why does the championship play so... So why do we play so many games?
• 29:39
  I mean, 46 games over the space of 33 weekends, obviously including the nine
• 29:43
  midweek games and four bank holidays.
• 29:46
  Is there a sense that it is too much football?
• 29:49
  I mean, we're seeing the championship like just on the weekend,
• 29:52
  and I'm going to bring it up because it's not an excuse, but Chelsea have just come off a 10-day rest.
• 29:58
  Middlesbrough had three. We had the Carabao Cup semifinal, one of the biggest games of our careers.
• 30:06
  And Middlesbrough come off a three-day rest, nigh two-day rest.
• 30:09
  Chelsea with 10 because of the fixture hugeness. And I know that's not a correct
• 30:15
  word, but I'm going to use it. The hugeness. Enormity. Because I'm disgusted.
• 30:19
  Thank you. Thank you. Of 46 games in a regular season. Is it too much? It's too much.
• 30:25
  Wash your mouth out. Wash your mouth out, young man.
• 30:29
  There is no such thing as too much football. How dare you? How dare you from
• 30:36
  your sunny island start spouting such vile language like that?
• 30:42
  We want more football. I mean, bear in mind, it's 46 games over 33 weeks if
• 30:47
  you don't go on a really, really lucky run in the cup where you get no big teams
• 30:51
  until you get to the semifinals.
• 30:52
  You know? Hey, hey, hey. All games were that. What? What? What?
• 30:56
  Cut him off. Didn't mention anyone. Didn't mention anyone. Sue me.
• 31:00
  See you all in court. 7-0. 7-0. It was the women's team. Oh, don't do that.
• 31:08
  Don't do, oh, it was the women's team.
• 31:12
  Well, they're just newly formed, you know. We're still finding our feet.
• 31:16
  Give the lasses a chance, you know. But, well, Aston Villa didn't because they
• 31:20
  failed at illegal players. But there you go.
• 31:22
  Yeah. Yeah, for me, mate, I know it's tough on the players.
• 31:26
  And, you know, you look at the injuries that all three of the big North East
• 31:30
  teams have had this season.
• 31:31
  Fixture congestion is a bit of an issue. Of course it is.
• 31:35
  But at the same time, it's why we love it.
• 31:38
  It's not the injuries, obviously, but we love having those midweek games.
• 31:42
  We love having back-to-back matches over that festive period and things like that.
• 31:48
  It's why I love football. ball it's it's kind of like there's always
• 31:51
  you know another game in four days time or there's another game
• 31:54
  next weekend to put things right or you
• 31:57
  know to see if the run continues for me yes that we i think that the clubs need
• 32:03
  to be better in terms of the conditioning of players i think they are honed
• 32:08
  so well as athletes now that their bodies do break or under less stress than what players used to do.
• 32:16
  However, that's down to the clubs to get that right. You know,
• 32:19
  a couple of more pies down these lads wouldn't hurt, I think,
• 32:22
  you know, be able to take a bit of a knock.
• 32:24
  But yeah, I love it. I don't want to see the season become longer or less games or anything like that.
• 32:33
  It's great the way it is. It's exciting.
• 32:36
  It's championship football for me. And obviously, you know, we're having to
• 32:39
  get used to it these days.
• 32:41
  It's more exciting than Premier League football. just for the pure fact that
• 32:45
  there is more games there's such a mixture of them as well long may it continue in my opinion mate,
• 32:53
  Stevie boy, I feel like we're saying, we just spoke about just before the sports
• 32:57
  headlines about the gap, the void, if you will, between the championship and
• 33:01
  the EFL, sorry, EPL getting a little bit larger.
• 33:04
  Is it to do anything with the amount of games that the championship has to play
• 33:09
  compared to the Premier League?
• 33:10
  Premier League currently on a winter break where the championship is just roll on.
• 33:15
  Possibly. I mean, there is too many games for me in the championship.
• 33:18
  It's, I think when we were relegated last time, it's the one thing I dread because
• 33:22
  it it makes the division so hard to get out of. I mean, I guess there's two trains of thought.
• 33:26
  Too many games can equal too many injuries and can equal a team which should
• 33:33
  be up there and bouncing straight back, separates the men from the boys.
• 33:38
  But I think the flip side of it is, as a supporter, you get value for money.
• 33:43
  Your season ticket is getting you access to more games. And,
• 33:48
  you know, if you're winning games, which, of course, you know,
• 33:53
  the last couple of relegations, Newcastle have been very lucky,
• 33:56
  we bounced straight back.
• 33:58
  So it's almost like a holiday, if that makes sense for you as a fan.
• 34:03
  You've been in the Premier League, you've had a horrible stinking season where,
• 34:06
  you know, you've never won a game, you've dropped out of the league.
• 34:09
  But then you're in the championship You're suddenly going to these grounds That
• 34:14
  you haven't been to for years,
• 34:15
  You're reacquainting yourself with some of these places And it's a party atmosphere
• 34:21
  You're winning games every week So
• 34:23
  it becomes a novelty Should there be a reduction in games? I'm not so sure.
• 34:29
  Dazzy boy, what do you reckon, mate? 46 games in the EFL. Middlesbrough obviously
• 34:33
  currently enduring that with the injury list we've had.
• 34:37
  We have a Carabao Cup semi-final run where we saw the break Chelsea had compared to the break we had.
• 34:43
  Is there a sense that there is too much football for a championship team to
• 34:47
  then want to try and compete in these cups at the same time?
• 34:50
  Yeah, I think there is. I think there's a bit of that. I think there's a bit
• 34:54
  of an unfairness in comparison to the Premier League. But I also think,
• 34:58
  you know, from a Borough point of view, we don't have to worry about this for next season.
• 35:03
  It's only really Sunderland that will need to worry about it, isn't it, really?
• 35:06
  Because we will be in the Premier League. You are absolutely living in dreamland.
• 35:08
  You are living in dreamland.
• 35:12
  You know, so many times we've heard that the Premier League is the best league
• 35:18
  in the world, et cetera, yada, yada, yada.
• 35:20
  The most competitive league in the world, I think, is probably this Championship.
• 35:24
  You know, it is so wide open.
• 35:27
  But, you know, it's a lot of games. And I don't know, you know, I don't know.
• 35:34
  Is it a money thing? Is it, you know, why do we have so much cramped?
• 35:40
  You know, surely if the powers that be are looking into this,
• 35:45
  if the Premier League, you know, they're going for Europe, they're going for other cups, et cetera.
• 35:50
  So, yeah, let's give them a little bit of a break. Why have we not got a break in the championship?
• 35:54
  Because you're right teams in the championship are alright we got through the
• 36:02
  semi-finals of the Carabao Cup but there's the FA Cup as well that are going on,
• 36:10
  what's wrong with looking at a break for the
• 36:12
  other leagues as well below the Premier League to maybe
• 36:15
  help out a little bit with easing some
• 36:18
  of those injury concerns that Steve's talking
• 36:21
  about out to you know to to just
• 36:24
  try and make the the playing field a little bit you know
• 36:27
  leveler if you like it's never going to be level is it you know
• 36:30
  no league championship we know that but that's
• 36:33
  certainly something that the powers could be could look at the the efl
• 36:36
  you know whether they will or not you know whether they're just sitting and
• 36:40
  counting the coffers of the the tv money that's coming in or the you know i
• 36:46
  don't know but i certainly think a winter break in the championship next season
• 36:50
  when you look at that that schedule i don't think it would be a bad idea.
• 36:56
  Yeah, no, look, I'm not saying reduce games.
• 37:01
  Do you know what I mean? I'm probably away from that, right? But I'm all for a break.
• 37:06
  I mean, if the Premier League teams are getting a break, do you know what I mean?
• 37:09
  Especially when there's AFCON and Asian Cup like we have right now where we've
• 37:12
  got Riley McGree and Sammy Silveira away. Do you know what I mean?
• 37:17
  We would have had Senny Deng if he wasn't injured away as well.
• 37:20
  Do you know what I mean? You've got teams in the AFL getting better and better,
• 37:24
  are stronger and stronger, more financially secure.
• 37:26
  Now, if the Premier League are acknowledging that, yes, there is more international
• 37:30
  football than ever, that there is a need for a winter break,
• 37:33
  why hasn't the EFL thought of the same thing?
• 37:35
  Why can't the Championship, right, who are the league beneath the Premier League,
• 37:40
  agree that they probably need the same amount of respite, if or not a break as well?
• 37:45
  So I agree, 46 games, right? You can do that. I guess there's more teams in
• 37:49
  the, there's a lot more teams in the Championship.
• 37:51
  You know, there's a lot more travel, all that sort of stuff.
• 37:53
  I get it. And it's probably, you know, 46 rounds, you know, do it.
• 37:57
  I'm all for it. I love watching the bar weekend week out and watch them,
• 38:00
  you know, every day of the week if I had to.
• 38:02
  But I'm just saying that there needs to be consideration that we are seeing
• 38:06
  a gap between the Premier League and the championship getting even bigger.
• 38:10
  And maybe there is a sense that there should be a bit more rest between the
• 38:14
  championship teams just to keep it more even.
• 38:17
  Because you see exactly that in the Carabao Cup that, you know,
• 38:21
  The days rest between it.
• 38:22
  Do you know what I mean? If Sunderland had been up there playing the day after
• 38:25
  against Man City or something like that in a semifinal, you would have wanted
• 38:29
  more days off between that game.
• 38:30
  Do you know what I mean? You just would have. So it's just, and it just seems
• 38:33
  to be a bit of a, I don't know, a bit of an overrun, a bit of a side thought
• 38:37
  that the Prem Championship can just keep going on like that.
• 38:39
  And maybe we need to move it into the future, but I reckon the Premier League have got it wrong.
• 38:45
  And I've said this before on the show, I reckon the Premier League have got it wrong.
• 38:49
  Obviously, the Premier League's where the money's at and the rubber's going
• 38:52
  to get looked after better than what the EFL does.
• 38:55
  That's just par for the course, really.
• 38:57
  I've said it time and time again, you shouldn't take international breaks.
• 39:02
  And that's Premier League, EFL, doesn't matter which league it is,
• 39:05
  you shouldn't take breaks for international, whether it's tournaments,
• 39:09
  whether it's friendlies, anything like that.
• 39:11
  Crack on and use what you've got in your academy. That's what you've got an
• 39:15
  academy for. to produce more players.
• 39:17
  So blood them. Use them. Okay.
• 39:21
  For me, there's nothing more infuriating in football. That's a lie,
• 39:26
  because I'm a Sunderland fan. Everything infuriates me.
• 39:29
  I mean, I can get angry at a waterfall these days. You know,
• 39:32
  it's just half of the course being a Sunderland fan.
• 39:34
  But getting back to the point, one of the biggest infuriating things is the international breaks.
• 39:42
  And it's a bugger for us as well, because we're having out to talk about on this show.
• 39:47
  It is that much more difficult. But it's naff, isn't it?
• 39:50
  The international breaks, you're kind of sitting on a Saturday going,
• 39:53
  I've got absolutely zero time and patience to watch England play Lichtenstein
• 40:00
  in some sort of friendly that Gareth Southgate is going to bore the absolute
• 40:05
  corduroy trousers off us.
• 40:07
  It's just, yeah, it's naff. It's absolutely naff, so crack on.
• 40:11
  We've all got academies. We've all got youth systems. We've all got under-23s.
• 40:16
  We've got reserve games and all that kind of thing. Promote from within.
• 40:20
  Play the players that we've got there. It means their standard gets better.
• 40:24
  You're starting to give these people, the likes of Chrissie Rigg and our team,
• 40:28
  and I know Middlesbrough and Newcastle have got people as well who can step
• 40:31
  into that and make the step up. Let's give them an opportunity to do it.
• 40:35
  It'll never happen, of course, because you pay the money to see the top, top players.
• 40:40
  That's what sponsorship is
• 40:41
  all about. but in an ideal world just stop international breaks altogether,
• 40:47
  I mean we've been forced into using younger players because of the injury crisis
• 40:51
  so I would agree I mean look at the opportunity the injury list has given Lewis
• 40:57
  Miley he's had the opportunity I would agree I think when we don't stop,
• 41:03
  the Premier League for AFCON the African Cup of Nations takes a lot of players
• 41:08
  away from the Premier League Liverpool are having to play at the moment without Mo Salah.
• 41:12
  So don't stop the Premier League for the internationals
• 41:15
  I would agree I think that would make complete sense it
• 41:18
  would certainly be interesting to see how many players suddenly wanted to not
• 41:23
  play for England I think that's the worry that would be the concern but if the
• 41:29
  FA said if you're selected for England you've got to play unless you're injured
• 41:32
  then that would take that away from it it would change people's philosophy I
• 41:37
  think on things but yeah it's interesting,
• 41:39
  But anyway, we'll talk more, obviously, as the season goes on.
• 41:43
  Obviously, we're going to see a lot more sort of void talk, I guess you will,
• 41:46
  in terms of how big it is between the Premier League and the Championship and
• 41:50
  also, obviously, trying for those Championship teams to get through into these cup areas.
• 41:54
  It's just something for me that I think that needs to be taken into consideration
• 41:57
  as the Championship tries to close that gap. Maybe the League needs to step
• 42:01
  in and help it a little bit.
• 42:02
  Lads, richness, money, greed is the next topic I need to talk to you guys about.
• 42:08
  Something that Ted's well aware of.
• 42:10
  For those that don't know, Ted is a multimillionaire. You can call him if you
• 42:13
  need a donation or anything. Ted is your man.
• 42:17
  I'm hoping somebody does steal my identity.
• 42:22
  The richest clubs have been revealed by analysis by Deloitte.
• 42:27
  They do it every year. They generate and come up with the highest revenue generating
• 42:31
  football clubs in the whole entire world.
• 42:34
  Now, it's no shock to hear who the top five will. And I'm going to talk to the
• 42:38
  lads a little bit about if there'll be any other team, aka Newcastle, potentially in here.
• 42:42
  Getting around the FFP certainly will help.
• 42:45
  But we need to talk about Real Madrid, who have overtaken Man City to become
• 42:49
  the highest revenue generating football club this year.
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  Real generated a record revenue of 831 million euros or 710 million pounds.
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  831 million euros, 710 million pounds to top the Money League study from the 2023-23 season.
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  So that is in the space of that season alone.
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  831 million euros or 710 million pounds.
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  My goodness me, that is a lot of money. Man City now fall into second as the
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  second highest revenue generating club. you,
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  Which, you know, financial fair play, hello. So, I mean, Teddy Boy,
• 43:36
  does it come as a shock that Real Madrid have ever taken Man City,
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  considering everything going on?
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  There's an old business expression, mate. Turn over for vanity, profit for sanity.
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  Now, you can turn over 800 million pounds. Yeah, absolutely spectacular,
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  that. Brilliant, well done.
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  How much of that is actually profit? it because you
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  obviously there's no getting away from this
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  real madrid are like probably the biggest name in
• 44:04
  football there's no getting away from that as far
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  as teams are concerned historically probably the most
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  successful that there's ever been in europe an absolute
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  juggernaut of a club but the playing
• 44:16
  catch up and the spanish league in in
• 44:20
  my opinion is behind where the premier league league is
• 44:22
  i would say it's maybe even behind the the
• 44:25
  bundesliga as well now there's only
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  a couple of clubs in that division that are any worth whatsoever
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  so it's no real surprise that you know spain's a big country people are going
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  to go out and buy the shirts and all that sort of thing but given the size of
• 44:40
  the club given the size of their their fan base 800 million is not a massive
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  surprise i just i just wonder how much of that is profit you know we'll talk
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  about financial financial fair play,
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  and things like that, and Man City up there with that kind of turnover,
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  ultimately it means nothing without the bottom line.
• 44:57
  And I'm sorry to go all business talk. I don't know. It is boring and all that kind of thing.
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  But whatever they're producing as turnover figures means nothing if they're
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  not making a profit, mate.
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  Yeah, I completely agree. Stevie Boy, just listen to some of these stats, mate.
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  2024 Money League clubs together together reported record revenues of 10.5 billion,
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  which is an increase of 14% compared to the last season or the year before that's
• 45:25
  revenue of combined 9.2 billion, right?
• 45:29
  Real Madrid obviously returned to the first time since the 2017, 2018, right?
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  With the record, that's their record ever of 831 million euros or 710 million pounds in one season.
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  The average Average revenues generated by 15 of the highest revenue generating
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  clubs stood at $4.3 million as well. Sorry, that's for women's clubs as well.
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  So it's gone up. Women's clubs have gone up 61% in revenue.
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  So this is women's football clubs in Europe have gone up 61% in revenue.
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  So, I mean, you're seeing men's football increasing.
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  Obviously, they're only going up by a billion. I say only by a billion like
• 46:09
  it's just pocket change, but it is for Ted. But women's football,
• 46:13
  61%, you know what I mean, is huge.
• 46:17
  Are we just crazily seeing how much football is worth to people now?
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  Is it why we've got US investors coming in, seeing how much it's worth?
• 46:26
  Is it crazy to see Real Madrid taking over from Man City for you?
• 46:31
  You know, honestly, the football finance is something which leaves,
• 46:35
  I think, most of us, including us on this show, just scratching our heads because
• 46:39
  it just doesn't make sense how teams can run millions and in some cases billions
• 46:46
  worth of loss through the clubs,
• 46:49
  yet can still go out and pay ludicrous wages for people, you know,
• 46:54
  like Mbappe and Benzema.
• 46:56
  They pay a ludicrous fee and then they're paying a ludicrous wage, you know, each week.
• 47:01
  And I thought 20 years ago the bubble would burst.
• 47:05
  I thought Sky would, you know, Sky would, you know, eventually see,
• 47:09
  you know, the end of football as we know it. But, you know, we're still going on.
• 47:15
  We're still seeing huge television deals, huge advertising deals,
• 47:19
  and we're seeing ridiculous wages.
• 47:22
  Year after year, we're seeing the transfer record being broken.
• 47:25
  I mean, you know, I remember us all going, £15 million for Alan Shearer for
• 47:31
  a footballer. That's ridiculous.
• 47:33
  He looks like a bargain now, doesn't he, compared to some of the deals that
• 47:38
  have been done. £100 million plus for Harry Kane.
• 47:41
  Unbelievable. Yeah. Yes, the kid scores goals. Yes, he's very good at what he
• 47:45
  does. But is he worth £100 million? I mean...
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  You know, it's crazy. And to see that league this morning and to see who's in
• 47:55
  that league is no surprise.
• 47:58
  You know, Real Madrid, you know, jockeying for position with,
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  you know, the usual suspects, Barcelona, Manchester United.
• 48:04
  Those two have got debts coming out their ears. Barcelona are,
• 48:07
  you know, in one breath, we're seeing reports that Barcelona are skint.
• 48:13
  And then yet there they are as the, you know, the highest earners and the money
• 48:18
  going through the bank. So try and make sense of it, you know,
• 48:21
  try and dissect football finance.
• 48:24
  I know there are some people who do that. Kieran Maguire, I've mentioned him on here before.
• 48:28
  He's somebody who, you know, I've watched, you know, who tries to make sense
• 48:33
  of it and gives you it in layman terms so that, you know, we can understand
• 48:37
  a little bit more about it.
• 48:39
  But, you know, you've just got to point to the fact that Manchester City,
• 48:42
  you know, have got 115 allegations of FFP breaches and yet, you know,
• 48:48
  there's still nothing being done about it.
• 48:50
  So, you know, I just don't know what it all means.
• 48:52
  I don't understand it. I wouldn't pretend to understand it. And,
• 48:55
  you know, I just, you know, I still think at some point everything will have
• 49:01
  to be, everything will have to be accounted for.
• 49:04
  Everything will have to be laid out in, you know, and, you know,
• 49:08
  heads will roll, people will be accountable in some way, shape or form.
• 49:13
  But at the moment, I just don't understand it. I just don't understand how teams
• 49:17
  can say they're in debt and they're losing money and you know they can't do
• 49:21
  this and can't do that yet a league table like that comes out with some of the
• 49:24
  major you know the major clubs on there who are crying poverty I just I just
• 49:29
  don't understand it lads.
• 49:31
  What intrigues me, though, at this point is like, sorry, Rye, I couldn't in there.
• 49:35
  No, you're fine. You keep talking about Real Madrid here, and we're talking
• 49:39
  about a side where they've probably got the least recognized players that they've
• 49:44
  had maybe over the last 30 years.
• 49:47
  Apart from the left, you know, Bellingham and maybe one or two others,
• 49:51
  they're kind of, they're not that well-known in terms of like,
• 49:54
  you know, not like the days of the Galacticos where you could go 1-11,
• 49:57
  you could absolutely name that team that's going to turn out every single time they play.
• 50:01
  And it's just weird that like marketability of these players is kind of the
• 50:16
  lowest they've ever been.
• 50:19
  It's just a bit of an odd one that they're now turning over more money than
• 50:22
  they ever have done with arguably the least known squad.
• 50:27
  I mean, it's crazy, isn't it? It's crazy. I mean, this is the revenue, right?
• 50:31
  So if you want to check out the full list, you can just head to Deloitte.
• 50:33
  That's D-E-L-O-I-T-T-E.
• 50:36
  And they have the full list here. But just for the Premier League sake,
• 50:39
  right? We've got Newcastle, Steve's own.
• 50:41
  They were 20th last year. They're up to 17th with a generated revenue of 250 million pounds, right?
• 50:49
  So if you go on the financial fair pay, their revenue is 250.
• 50:53
  Now I know that comes into play, right? West Ham have slid from 15th in the
• 50:57
  season before that down to 18th with their generated income of £239 million.
• 51:03
  You know, you got Arsenal in 10th. They haven't moved. £463 million.
• 51:07
  Tottenham Hotspur are up to 8th with £549 million of revenue.
• 51:12
  This is just incredible amounts of money. And you can just see here how,
• 51:16
  I mean, we talk about the gap, lads.
• 51:18
  The revenue here is incredible. I mean, it's wild to see some of these numbers.
• 51:24
  Like Steve said, the money these guys are generating through revenue,
• 51:29
  yet crying poor. I mean, it's incredible.
• 51:32
  You've got, for instance, Napoli. Napoli literally, for a couple of seasons
• 51:36
  ago, were almost bankrupt.
• 51:38
  They're now 19th, 232 million pounds in terms of revenue generated.
• 51:44
  It's incredible to see. and just a shocking sort of thing for me, again, with the money.
• 51:49
  I know I've always spoken about money and my frustrations with financial fair
• 51:52
  play and people trying to get around the system and selling stadiums and all that sort of stuff.
• 51:57
  But the revenue at the moment is only going up.
• 52:00
  Fans and football is only on the up. If you talk about it as a marketable,
• 52:05
  look to see how I got that first time.
• 52:07
  If you talk about it as a selling business, business, then it is generating
• 52:12
  more and more income for those that invest each year.
• 52:16
  And we're talking billions of dollars. So no wonder these US markets,
• 52:20
  these Tom Brady's, these NFL players, all these people are starting to get involved
• 52:25
  with English football teams because it is generating so much wealth.
• 52:29
  Ryan Reynolds and obviously the Wrexham saga, we're seeing that Wrexham's probably
• 52:33
  gone up, even in League Two, they've probably generated a little bit more there as well.
• 52:38
  You know what I mean? because of, and we talk about how they come across and
• 52:42
  they're fans of football and all that sort of stuff.
• 52:45
  Are they really? I mean, is it, are they really? I mean, surely Tom Brady,
• 52:49
  you know, I remember, you know, Tom Brady, obviously NFL superstar growing up
• 52:53
  with the Birmingham flag on his door. You know what I mean? Not.
• 52:56
  Like it's, you know what I mean? It's a money generating business now to be investing in football.
• 53:03
  And it's a money, it's a thing to either do your tax write-offs,
• 53:07
  it's a thing to do, you know, you move your money around, whatever it may be,
• 53:11
  and they're doing it through the football clubs.
• 53:12
  And it's incredible to see some of this revenue that they're generating with
• 53:15
  fans more than ever invested.
• 53:17
  Now they're obviously moving into the online market now with ticket sales,
• 53:20
  watching it on their own fan club. We spoke about that with TV rights and stuff like that.
• 53:25
  It is the most wealthiest thing in the world at the moment is football.
• 53:29
  And it's incredible to see. Robbed the spot from the working class, mate.
• 53:31
  Yeah, they haven't robbed the spot from the working class.
• 53:35
  It's incredible just to see the money. Anyway, it is 8 a.m. Enough money talk.
• 53:38
  It's time for your news headlines.
• 53:40
  We'll be back after this to talk a little bit of fun and games.
• 53:43
  We've also got a certain quiz coming up where I'm going to put Steve and Ted
• 53:46
  in the hot seat with a little bit of geography.
• 53:49
  That's right, I said geography. Right after your news headlines.
• 53:56
  From Yarm to Yibbe, Harrington to Horsley Hill, Swalwell to Silverlink,
• 54:02
  the North East footy breakfast with Roy, Steve and Ted.
• 54:02
  Music.
• 54:07
  Right across the North East The Red, the Toon and the Cat It is the North East
• 54:18
  Footy Brekkie and you can get involved.
• 54:20
  You can drop us a WhatsApp on 03300432002. You can WhatsApp the show at any time.
• 54:26
  You'll have your say on anything to do with North East Football matters or anything
• 54:31
  that the chaps are discussing.
• 54:33
  Music.
• 54:52
  No one is to blame. On the North East Footy Breakfast, six minutes past eight.
• 54:56
  Good morning. A couple of messages that we've had in via the WhatsApp.
• 54:59
  Our friend Barry's been in touch. He said, Steve, all these stories about the
• 55:04
  cells leaving, is it on a free or is there a fee mentioned?
• 55:07
  He also says, mint at show, guys.
• 55:11
  And Daniil has been in touch as well. Daniil!
• 55:14
  The revenue in football may have increased, but we still have losses.
• 55:18
  Says my opinion is that one of the main motives for football investments is
• 55:23
  to maximise the tax benefits i.e. corporation tax by claiming losses via group relief.
• 55:29
  I'm sure there are many clubs that are part of a group That should do with the
• 55:32
  show with Daniil. He's intelligent.
• 55:36
  Thanks Barry by the way yes and I think there is a fee for Lascelles if he goes
• 55:40
  now but he'd be free in the summer so that's why there was talk of him going
• 55:44
  but at the moment it doesn't look like there's any exits from the club unless
• 55:47
  there's There's a shotgun deadline, Dave.
• 55:49
  I still think Bayern Munich will try again for Trippier. I think there's a bit
• 55:52
  of poker going on there, Barry, but we will wait and see.
• 55:56
  No worries. And he's acting the barra as well.
• 55:58
  Yes. For a par more.
• 56:04
  And you can get in touch with the North East 40 Brekkie at any time via our WhatsApp, 033 043 2002.
• 56:11
  We'd all love to hear from you this morning. We certainly would,
• 56:15
  because it saves us having to talk to Ted all the time. Do you know what I mean?
• 56:17
  So, Dexter, make sure you get into touch.
• 56:20
  I'm sorry, Ted. I know. I'm sorry.
• 56:23
  No, no, look. It's because I love you. You know what I mean?
• 56:26
  Okay. Okay. Is it one of those where you pull people's pigtails in the playground? Exactly. Exactly.
• 56:32
  It's my type of flirting. Okay. So, that's how it works. This is now uncomfortable.
• 56:40
  Let's get to some club headlines. Then we're coming back straight after that
• 56:43
  with one of the quizzes that I've come up with to stump these two lads with
• 56:47
  their geography skills.
• 56:49
  Mackhams and Proud. Black Cat's News.
• 56:54
  Good morning, Sunderland fans. You can start breathing a sigh of relief,
• 56:59
  hopefully, as one of Jack Clark's most prominent interested parties have made alternative plans.
• 57:04
  Transfer insider Fabrizio Romano has stated that negotiations are advancing
• 57:09
  fast for West Ham to bring Nordic's land winger Ibrahim Osman to London for
• 57:14
  a fee of around £15.3 million.
• 57:16
  He also adds that a fresh round of talks is scheduled today and tomorrow in
• 57:20
  order for all parties to get a deal done.
• 57:23
  Sunderland women's news now and Aston Villa could face punishment for fielding
• 57:27
  an illegible player in their Continental League Cup game against Sunderland last night.
• 57:31
  Noelle Maritz, who joined Villa from Arsenal in January, came off the bench
• 57:35
  in a 7-0 victory over Sunderland, which
• 57:37
  ensured Villa's progression to the quarter-finals as Group A winners.
• 57:40
  But Maritz had already played three times for Arsenal earlier in the competition.
• 57:44
  The FA are investigating however the FA rules say any club found to have played
• 57:49
  an ineligible player for a cup match or cup matches shall be in breach of these
• 57:53
  rules and the matter shall be referred to an independent tribunal for determination.
• 57:59
  And finally, Manchester United's transfer stance on Ahmad Diallo remains clear,
• 58:03
  despite the breakdown of other United players' loan moves during the January transfer window.
• 58:08
  Ahmad, of course, enjoyed a fruitful loan spell at Sunderland last season,
• 58:12
  helping the team get to the playoffs.
• 58:14
  Black Cats were keen for the player to return last summer, but a knee injury complicated matters.
• 58:19
  We will credit the game with an interest in the attack this January,
• 58:22
  after Ahmad's return to fitness.
• 58:23
  However, United plan to keep the player this month after paying Italian side
• 58:27
  Atalanta under a reported fee of £19 million, rising to £37 million for the player in 2020.
• 58:34
  There are your Sunderland headlines.
• 58:36
  Magpies and Proud, Mag News. With the clock ticking in the transfer window,
• 58:42
  the gap in valuation between Newcastle and Bayern Munich over Kieran Trippier looks to be too wide.
• 58:46
  After comments from the Bundesliga side's sporting director on Wednesday night
• 58:50
  to the effect that their interest in him is over.
• 58:53
  Yesterday brought a bid of £13 million, pounds which was rejected by Newcastle
• 58:57
  United and Bayern then announced that their interest was over.
• 59:00
  Meanwhile, Miggy Almiron is understood to have told the club he doesn't want
• 59:03
  to leave St James's Park this month.
• 59:05
  The midfielder has been linked with a move to Al-Shabaab with the talk of a
• 59:09
  £30 million bid for the Paraguay skipper but the 29-year-old is less than a
• 59:13
  year into a newly penned contract and he loves life on Tyneside.
• 59:16
  It is believed that Almiron and his family are not open to a move this month.
• 59:21
  On the injury front, Newcastle striker Callum Wilson is likely the Miss Fulham
• 59:25
  trip in the FA Cup, but should be ready for the trip to Aston Villa at the end of January.
• 59:31
  While Joe Willock has been stepping up his recovery behind the scenes,
• 59:34
  the Chronicle are reporting that he won't feature until at least February,
• 59:38
  while Harvey Barnes is back on the grass and trying to overcome his recurring foot issue.
• 59:43
  Tuesday saw Yankuba Mendes Gambia play the third and final game of their Africa
• 59:47
  Cup of Nations group stage campaign, and they lost 3-2 to Cameroon in the Ivory
• 59:52
  Coast, meaning that they are heading home From Mintdale, now he turned to Firenode
• 59:56
  to continue his loan spell,
• 59:58
  and then return to St James' Park in the summer. That's in your castle headlines on Thursday morning.
• 1:00:04
  Smoggies and Proud, Borough News. Good morning, Borough fans.
• 1:00:05
  Music.
• 1:00:11
  How are you, beautiful humans? Hope you're all fantastic, safe and well.
• 1:00:15
  Michael Carrick continues to reiterate that Middlesbrough will not be making
• 1:00:18
  any panic signings at the end of this January transfer window.
• 1:00:22
  Borough have so far added Luke Ayling and Finisaz to their squad,
• 1:00:25
  but are braced for another Aston Villa push to sign Morgan Rodgers before the
• 1:00:28
  window closes next Thursday.
• 1:00:31
  It's unknown at this stage whether Rodgers' departure would prompt Borough to
• 1:00:33
  look for a replacement, but Azaz's arrival is already leaving us very well-stocked
• 1:00:38
  in that forward-slash-high-playing midfielder department.
• 1:00:41
  Since signing Ayling as well in the second week of this month,
• 1:00:45
  Borough's recruitment team has already focused on trying to find a centre-forward,
• 1:00:49
  with Emmanuel Latelath and Josh Coburn both having issues throughout the season with injuries.
• 1:00:53
  In what, though, has been described as not a very active market,
• 1:00:57
  Borough have been frustrated in their search for a striker.
• 1:01:00
  The stance from the club has been clear from the off, though,
• 1:01:03
  however. However, the more revivals this month would only be dependent if the
• 1:01:06
  right terms of play can be agreed upon.
• 1:01:09
  He must fit into this squad and he must not be replacing someone that might
• 1:01:13
  be coming back from injury.
• 1:01:14
  Tarek insists it would be absolutely someone if they fit.
• 1:01:19
  And Middlesbrough are also now going to welcome a welcome rest as their game
• 1:01:23
  with this weekend against Birmingham has been postponed. pwned.
• 1:01:26
  Birmingham's progression to the further into the FA Cup means that Middlesbrough
• 1:01:30
  will now return to action on the 4th of Feb against a team near Mug Wearmouth,
• 1:01:34
  south of Whitburn, near Hilton Redhouse,
• 1:01:37
  and close to their copy of the Riverside in Riverside Bowling,
• 1:01:40
  and also just to the west of Cox Green.
• 1:01:43
  We beat them at their ground, 4-0, for Welcome to the Riverside.
• 1:01:48
  4th of February, that's Shibara Headlines.
• 1:01:54
  From Wickham to Whitley Bay, Stoneygate to Shields, Doggie to Darlow Back Lane.
• 1:02:01
  Music.
• 1:02:15
  Welcome back to the North East Brekkie Show. What headlines they were.
• 1:02:18
  Two geographical references I got there, Des.
• 1:02:20
  I'm very, very impressed, actually, mate. Thank you. I'm very impressed.
• 1:02:23
  Thank you. Thank you. Look at me doing my research.
• 1:02:25
  My friend Jack, not yours, Ted. My friend Jack said, morning,
• 1:02:29
  lads. A great show, as always.
• 1:02:32
  But I think there's something up with Ted's mic. It sounded like he just said that they lost 7-0. Oh!
• 1:02:41
  Oh! A little bit of poking in there. At least we have the dignity to do it in
• 1:02:45
  private and not from the conference.
• 1:02:48
  Okay. Okay. All right. Well, now I'm going to quiz them, lads,
• 1:02:51
  because don't you worry, I'm going to put them in the hot seat.
• 1:02:53
  It's time for Ry's made-up quiz, and it's all to do with geography.
• 1:02:57
  This morning I'm going to put Stevie Boy and Teddy Boy in the hot seat.
• 1:03:01
  I'm going to list off ten players here, right, ten players, and the lads are
• 1:03:06
  going to have to tell me what country they are from.
• 1:03:10
  Okay? I've already submitted my answers.
• 1:03:13
  All right. Steve has already given up. Okay. Ten players.
• 1:03:17
  And they're not to be yelled out. What I'll do is I'll say the player and then
• 1:03:20
  you lads write them down and then you need to send your answers into Daz,
• 1:03:23
  much like we did the other week. Daz has got the answers in front of him.
• 1:03:26
  And then later on, Daz will reveal who got the best ten.
• 1:03:31
  So I'll give you a second just to get a pen and paper or your WhatsApp open.
• 1:03:34
  You will need to send your answers into Daz. You can play along at home as well.
• 1:03:38
  You all right? You can play along at home as well. and if you want to,
• 1:03:41
  the WhatsApp number, Daz, for them to get in touch so they can play along?
• 1:03:44
  It's 03300432002.
• 1:03:47
  Yeah, just drop us a WhatsApp with your answers as well.
• 1:03:50
  There you go. So I'm going to give you 10 footballers, right,
• 1:03:53
  from around the world you need to name and tell me what country they are from.
• 1:03:57
  Now, not only does this help me learn where they're from, but it also helps
• 1:04:01
  me with pronunciation of certain names.
• 1:04:03
  That's why I'm doing it, okay, because it helps me to help you.
• 1:04:05
  Help me to help you, okay? Okay, right.
• 1:04:07
  Are you ready, Steve, in the red corner? Yeah.
• 1:04:12
  Are you ready, Ted, in the blue corner? I don't want to be in the blue corner.
• 1:04:17
  I want to be in the red corner.
• 1:04:18
  No. It's going to be like that. Okay, swap ends.
• 1:04:22
  Are you ready in the black and
• 1:04:23
  white corner, Steve? Yeah, I've already submitted my answers, but yeah.
• 1:04:27
  Ted, are you ready in the cockscreen corner? Yes, I am. Okay.
• 1:04:33
  Are you ready? I'm ready. Here we go. Okay. Here we go. We've got you some music
• 1:04:38
  as well. Here we go. Here we go.
• 1:04:39
  Music.
• 1:04:44
  Listen to it. It's Rise Geography. No, that's not going to work.
• 1:04:48
  Right, the first player.
• 1:04:51
  James Rodriguez.
• 1:04:54
  James Rodriguez. You need to tell me what country is James Rodriguez from.
• 1:05:02
  Okay. Number two, lads. Robbie Keane.
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  Music.
• 1:05:17
  Didier Drogba. Didier Drogba is number three.
• 1:05:27
  Number four.
• 1:05:30
  Sadio Mane. Mane. Mane. Mane. I got it right. See, this is helping me. Sadio Mane.
• 1:05:36
  What country is Sadio Mane from? Number four.
• 1:05:43
  Number five. Gillette, a.k.a. George Best. The best the man can get.
• 1:05:48
  George Best in number five. What country is George Best from?
• 1:05:54
  Number six.
• 1:05:57
  Arturo Vidal. Arturo Vidal.
• 1:06:03
  What country is Vidal from? Number six. Number seven.
• 1:06:10
  Samuel Eto'o. One of the greatest strikers I've seen. Samuel Eto'o. What country is he from?
• 1:06:19
  Number eight. Number eight. Georgios Karagounis.
• 1:06:28
  Georgios Karagounis. Oh, right. I am so proud of you this morning. Number eight.
• 1:06:34
  Is it? Is it? Yeah. Karagounis, mate.
• 1:06:37
  Number nine. Kenny Dalglish. Number nine. Kenny Dalglish. I feel like I'm a bingo. 29.
• 1:06:47
  And number 10, Havel Nedved.
• 1:06:53
  Havel Nedved. Right. You need to have told me, if you've just tuned in,
• 1:06:59
  what country those 10 players represent.
• 1:07:02
  Where are they from? All right. In that order as well, one through to 10.
• 1:07:07
  I'm not going to go through them again because I honestly did struggle on a couple.
• 1:07:10
  Okay. But they are your top 10. I reckon Stevie's actually was a bit worried,
• 1:07:15
  but I reckon he's nailed it.
• 1:07:17
  I reckon Stevie's that sneaky. I don't want to play, but then he gets A grade.
• 1:07:20
  Do you know what I mean? Like, you know, he's like, I don't want to run the
• 1:07:23
  100 metres, and then he gets first place and beats, you know, all the other runners.
• 1:07:27
  All right. So that is your quiz for this morning. It's a geography quiz,
• 1:07:30
  all right, because we were learning Sunderland places, and that is your number
• 1:07:35
  1 through 10. Players, name the country.
• 1:07:38
  Text them in on the WhatsApp number, Steve and Ted, but also playing at home,
• 1:07:42
  if you want to, you can text in, to the show on 033 0 4 3 2002 if you've got
• 1:07:48
  your answers we'd love to hear from you 033 0 4 3,
• 1:07:52
  2002 so i've got both sets of answers now just give me just give me a sec i'll
• 1:07:56
  mark them yeah you could you couldn't please mark them please mark them see
• 1:08:00
  how i think you'll find mine's easy to mark did you struggle on any of them
• 1:08:06
  ted no no to be honest i was actually going to show off on one because I was going to give the,
• 1:08:11
  official French name to one of the countries but I thought no just in case I
• 1:08:16
  messed up What about you Steve? You struggle on them?
• 1:08:22
  No I did really well,
• 1:08:25
  See, he told you. I don't want to play. And then he just nails it. This is this guy.
• 1:08:29
  Right. That's Wildaz is telling all the numbers to see who's the winner.
• 1:08:32
  I hope Steve just hides his enthusiasm.
• 1:08:35
  Constantly.
• 1:08:38
  Let's talk about UK billionaire. A bit of a crazy one, this story breaking in overnight.
• 1:08:42
  UK billionaire Joe Lewis, whose family trust owns Tottenham Hotspur,
• 1:08:46
  has pleaded guilty to insider trading in a U.S. court.
• 1:08:50
  Lewis, who is 86 years old, was accused of passing on information about his
• 1:08:54
  companies to his private pilots, friends, personal assistants, and romantic partners.
• 1:09:01
  Teddy boy, as a billionaire that's probably passed on a little bit too much,
• 1:09:07
  how do you feel about Joe Lewis here?
• 1:09:09
  Joe Lewis, obviously, he's obviously the family trust, owns Tottenham Hotspur
• 1:09:14
  Football Club, pleading guilty in the US as well to insider trading.
• 1:09:18
  I don't think it affects Tottenham too much, mate, But still, not the greatest look.
• 1:09:24
  No, I think he's finished in boxing now, to be honest.
• 1:09:32
  Well, I've Googled the wrong one.
• 1:09:40
  That's literally all you had to say on that one, but never mind.
• 1:09:44
  Look, insider trading is one
• 1:09:46
  of those big, big, it's probably one of the ultimate crimes in business.
• 1:09:51
  I mean, at 86 years old, you're kind of thinking, well, what are they going
• 1:09:55
  to do? They can't stick him.
• 1:09:56
  They can't exactly give him life in prison. I mean, they could give him a six-week
• 1:09:59
  sentence, and that could be life in prison at that age, couldn't it?
• 1:10:03
  It's silly, very, very silly. You would think somebody who's got to that age,
• 1:10:07
  amassing those sort of millions, obviously clearly a very, very smart businessman over the years.
• 1:10:13
  It's just daft, really. I don't think Tottenham have got anything to worry about.
• 1:10:17
  I don't think it affects them in any way whatsoever, like, really.
• 1:10:20
  But, yeah, just very surprising to see someone of that age, of that experience
• 1:10:26
  as a businessman doing something that's well-documented.
• 1:10:30
  It has been very easy to trace for the right authorities and just something
• 1:10:35
  so daft, really. But, yeah, it's a bit of an odd one, mate.
• 1:10:39
  Well, yes. Just giving you more information to the story.
• 1:10:43
  The more information to the story, US authorities have said that the fraud has
• 1:10:47
  netted millions of dollars of profit over a massive amount of time.
• 1:10:52
  Lewis founded, obviously, the investment firm Tavistock, which has ownership
• 1:10:56
  stakes in large array of property, sports, finance, energy, and life sciences,
• 1:11:00
  all which are linked. So that would include Tottenham, you would think.
• 1:11:04
  He was ranked 39th in the 2023 Sunday Times Rich List with an estimated worth
• 1:11:08
  worth of more than 5 billion pounds.
• 1:11:11
  He was arrested, obviously, July 2023, and he's just proven,
• 1:11:15
  he's just pleaded guilty overnight. Steve.
• 1:11:17
  Yeah. Another money-related question that seems to be dominating our show today,
• 1:11:22
  but Joe Lewis, not the boxer, the family trust owns Tottenham Hotspur.
• 1:11:27
  Pleading guilty years and years of insider trading, apparently. Yeah, I mean-
• 1:11:33
  Yeah, I mean, it doesn't shock us because, you know, like I said,
• 1:11:37
  with all of these Premier League clubs and, you know, I'm sure if you divulged,
• 1:11:43
  you know, what's going on behind the scenes,
• 1:11:46
  who does what, you know, and who finances this.
• 1:11:49
  And, you know, I think there'd be a few skeletons in most clubs' cupboards.
• 1:11:52
  But I think what probably shocks me is the bit of honesty.
• 1:11:55
  Clearly, the evidence is being laid out and there's no way out.
• 1:11:59
  And, you know, he's pleading guilty because, you know, if he doesn't,
• 1:12:03
  then maybe the punishment for the crime is going to be more severe.
• 1:12:06
  So one would imagine Mr.
• 1:12:08
  Louis is simply protecting, you know, what he has, his assets.
• 1:12:13
  And, you know, potentially, you know, hopefully, from his perspective,
• 1:12:18
  of reducing any particular sentence that's going to be given to them.
• 1:12:21
  I think that's it, really.
• 1:12:22
  I mean, these people don't hold their hands up and say, yeah,
• 1:12:25
  it was me, unless they've got to, do they?
• 1:12:27
  That's my reading of it. I think it's a strange scenario.
• 1:12:32
  Yeah, it is. Certainly for somebody who's got that reputation to suddenly,
• 1:12:38
  you know, essentially ruin your
• 1:12:41
  reputation, you know, by numerous acts of stupidity is a little strange.
• 1:12:47
  But yeah, I mean, we'll see what punishment he gets now.
• 1:12:51
  You know, will it be a case of, you know, a slap on the wrist or will it be more? Who knows?
• 1:12:55
  But yeah, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that, you know,
• 1:12:59
  that this person has come forward and said this.
• 1:13:01
  And yeah, it's a strange one, but it won't affect Spurs.
• 1:13:05
  I think the early feelings when we heard this story break was,
• 1:13:09
  ooh, you know, could they be in trouble? Could there be points deduction?
• 1:13:13
  Could it be an issue that affects the football club? but no it's not going to
• 1:13:18
  by the looks of it it's not going to affect Tottenham it's a personal thing
• 1:13:21
  and maybe the club have said you know maybe the club have maybe you know maybe
• 1:13:25
  that's the situation where they've come out and said look you need to take this
• 1:13:28
  on the chin you need to hold your hands up and you need to say this just in case.
• 1:13:33
  You know, the Premier League as we know they are, you know, the forensically
• 1:13:37
  going through everything now because they want to be squeaky clean.
• 1:13:40
  Maybe there has been a force of hand from the club and Daniel Levy and said,
• 1:13:45
  look, you can't put any of this on our toes.
• 1:13:50
  You know, this is your responsibility. Make sure that everybody knows this is you and you alone.
• 1:13:54
  But it'll be interesting to see how it develops. I'll be interested to see what
• 1:13:57
  punishment he gets first and foremost.
• 1:13:59
  Yeah, not wrong, especially at the age of 80. See, Stassi, boy.
• 1:14:03
  Do you think part of the insider trading was like him saying that he doesn't
• 1:14:07
  think Spurs are going to win the league this season?
• 1:14:11
  Well, let me give you one instance, and I'll get Daz's thoughts on it because Daz is a rich man.
• 1:14:17
  Daz, following one of the instances that has been proven in court,
• 1:14:21
  this is obviously alleged at the moment as well, but he has pleaded guilty,
• 1:14:25
  is that Lewis allegedly wired his private pilots, Patrick O'Connor and Brian
• 1:14:28
  Moore, not Dave Roberts, surprisingly, in there, $500,000 each to buy stock
• 1:14:32
  in a company after tipping them off with confidential information.
• 1:14:36
  That was one of the pilots that came forward and said that he was given $500,000.
• 1:14:41
  And these people that he has done this with have made millions and millions
• 1:14:46
  of dollars on his insider trading, on telling him and obviously getting loans to put the money on.
• 1:14:53
  Yeah. I mean, I'm sure this sort of thing happens every single day in the business
• 1:14:58
  world, this sort of insider stuff.
• 1:15:00
  And, you know, I mean, for me, the fact that he's pleaded guilty to this almost
• 1:15:07
  makes me suggest that there's maybe a deal on the table.
• 1:15:11
  You know, you plead guilty and we'll make sure that this happens or that,
• 1:15:15
  you know, there won't be a custodial sentence or whatever. That's just what it feels like to me.
• 1:15:21
  I would be highly surprised if it does affect Tottenham on the larger scale.
• 1:15:29
  You would hope that it wouldn't in terms of that.
• 1:15:33
  But it's these sordid stories, isn't it, that we can do without around our clubs.
• 1:15:39
  And I'm saying our clubs in terms of the UK's Premier League.
• 1:15:44
  So, yeah, stories like this just leave a bit of taste and just remind us that,
• 1:15:50
  you know, that money is, and Steve says all the time, money is ruining this game.
• 1:15:56
  It is. Yeah. No. Yeah, it is. What's up, lads, and the group that we can't talk about?
• 1:16:01
  Oh, no. What's happened? Was it me and the whole not listening Dave Roberts?
• 1:16:06
  It's careful I'm listening.
• 1:16:08
  Oh, no. I'll give you some insider trading. The lineup can change.
• 1:16:15
  Oh, no. Well, it's been a great show.
• 1:16:19
  Thank you for tuning in and what was my first show you've had a great run right
• 1:16:21
  to be fair thank you lads for having me I appreciate each and every one of you
• 1:16:26
  I will be back on a different station no I'm kidding of course Dave loves me
• 1:16:30
  bam there's a replacement just before your sports headlines,
• 1:16:39
  Jazzy Boy have you got the results of a certain quiz I have I have got the results
• 1:16:44
  here is there a winner there is a winner There is a winner.
• 1:16:50
  Yes, absolutely. And it was a very, very close thing.
• 1:16:56
  So, in Rye's geography-type footballing quiz,
• 1:17:03
  we have, in second place...
• 1:17:07
  With nine points, it's Steve.
• 1:17:12
  So that means in first place with ten points, it's Ted.
• 1:17:17
  Get in! Come on! Hold on a minute, Daz. Oh, hang on. Hold on a minute,
• 1:17:22
  Daz. Stewart's Inquiry.
• 1:17:24
  Yeah, I'm just going to screenshot what I sent you, Daz. I'm going to screenshot.
• 1:17:28
  Unless you're going to be honest and read it out what I sent you. All right, okay then.
• 1:17:34
  Steve VAR Steve sent me VAR Okay yeah We've got VR here Let me just It's in
• 1:17:40
  the group lads Oh it's in the group There it is Yeah.
• 1:17:46
  So for number one Steve Sorry Passed Sorry Ted For number two He passed Number
• 1:17:51
  three He passed Number four He passed Number five He passed I must have misread them,
• 1:17:57
  Yeah But the winner is Ted Yeah well done Ted Teddy boy Boy,
• 1:18:01
  but on Ted, but on Teddy, boy.
• 1:18:04
  How many did Ted actually get right, though, just out of interest? All 10.
• 1:18:07
  Yeah, definitely. Oh, well done, lads. And he was, I mean, sometimes the word
• 1:18:11
  hadn't finished coming out of Rye's mouth, and Ted takes the answer.
• 1:18:15
  Really? So, yeah. Oh, yeah. He was red hot. Geography.
• 1:18:19
  I was going to go for Cote d'Ivoire for Diddy Get Drunk, but because that's
• 1:18:23
  the… I was proving I'm a man of my word because when Ted did the geography quiz,
• 1:18:28
  is I said if there's any more geography quizzes on this show, I won't do them right.
• 1:18:34
  Now, the fact that you're a part-timer on this probably means that you didn't hear me say that.
• 1:18:40
  I am not doing it. I am not doing geography.
• 1:18:44
  Yeah, well, maybe the new replacement for me, you'll have to bring it up with him.
• 1:18:51
  It's time for your sports and news headlines here at 8.30 a.m.
• 1:18:55
  On the Northeast Breakers Show. We'll be back right after this. Together.
• 1:18:59
  Music.
• 1:19:04
  It is the North East Footy Brekkie on DAB online and on your smart speakers
• 1:19:08
  right across the North East on the Cat, the Toon and the Red.
• 1:19:11
  Davy Ladd has been listening in to us, you know, this morning.
• 1:19:14
  He's supposed to be having a sleep in, but he's been secretly listening in.
• 1:19:19
  And he said, having heard this morning's quiz, due to his love of astronomy
• 1:19:23
  and aviation, Radio Dad will be revealing the out-of-the-world quiz very soon.
• 1:19:31
  Geography, Dave, I won't be doing it.
• 1:19:35
  Yeah, learn your lesson, Dave.
• 1:19:38
  Even if it's on this planet or off another planet, he won't be doing it,
• 1:19:42
  okay? Exactly. It's out of this world. I'm not doing it.
• 1:19:45
  I noticed on Sky Sports News this morning, I was just looking through the headlines
• 1:19:49
  there, and it's saying Arsenal transfer news.
• 1:19:51
  Marseille are keen on Tavares' loan.
• 1:19:55
  Apparently Marseille had a chat with him and said, you to me are everything.
• 1:19:59
  The sweetest song that I could sing, oh baby. Airbeam. Well,
• 1:20:03
  that looks like that one will go through.
• 1:20:05
  Well done. I'm here all week. Well done. Actually, I'm not. Well done.
• 1:20:09
  Can we just have a clap? I thought they were interested in, were they not interested
• 1:20:14
  in saying that Colombian? Because heaven was missing an angle, wasn't it?
• 1:20:17
  Oh, my God. Oh, what have I started? No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:20:22
  In real news, North East football fans, especially those concerned with Middlesbrough,
• 1:20:27
  Ryan Giles is back in the championship, can you believe it?
• 1:20:30
  Looking to sign a loan deal for the rest of the season. at Hull City.
• 1:20:33
  So Ryan Giles, I think it was a record-breaking move to Luton at the time.
• 1:20:38
  Luton was obviously breaking their record transfers for him.
• 1:20:41
  Hasn't worked out. He's now back in the championship on loan to Hull City for
• 1:20:45
  the rest of the season with a view to sign permanently as well.
• 1:20:47
  So interesting one there, Borough fans, just breaking through as well to see
• 1:20:51
  if we might come up against Ryan Giles later this season. He was great for us last season.
• 1:20:56
  Without a doubt, he had some great assists. He was.
• 1:21:00
  I'd take Angel now, though. So, my goodness. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:04
  And I think this is a real coup for Hull, who were obviously...
• 1:21:08
  We talked about it the other day, didn't we?
• 1:21:10
  I think somebody mentioned that if, you know, if Borough don't sign a striker,
• 1:21:14
  does that show their lack of ambition?
• 1:21:16
  Yeah, that's what they are. I think Hull are showing their ambition and,
• 1:21:20
  you know, they're going to make a big push for this playoff,
• 1:21:23
  I think, with the signings that they're making.
• 1:21:25
  Yeah, getting over Sandlin as well, which was, you know, an easy feat,
• 1:21:29
  I guess you could say, these days. Let's move on. VAR.
• 1:21:34
  VAR is back.
• 1:21:38
  VAR, it's time. I've left it to the last half hour of the show to bring up that
• 1:21:42
  one and famous three-letter word, VAR.
• 1:21:45
  It's back, lads. It's weird. It's ugly head.
• 1:21:48
  Nottingham Forest have been informed by the referees' organisation that the
• 1:21:52
  video assistant referee did
• 1:21:54
  not have the power to rule out Brentford's disputed equaliser on Saturday.
• 1:21:59
  So if you don't know what I'm talking about, on the weekend,
• 1:22:02
  Ivan Toney's return, which we discussed yesterday on the show,
• 1:22:04
  and we were all in agreement, so it was a bit weird to see Ivan Toney returning
• 1:22:08
  from a ban to get the captain's armband.
• 1:22:10
  And not only that, but during the game, he has equalized for Brentford by moving the ball to the right.
• 1:22:16
  And I'm not talking a minuscule amount.
• 1:22:19
  He's literally picked the ball up. He's also grabbed the Gillette shaving cream,
• 1:22:22
  scraped that on the ground as if it's going going to look like a new line and
• 1:22:25
  move the ball a good positional shift to the right. He then scored the free kick.
• 1:22:32
  Nottingham Forest were then sent to investigate. They asked the question and
• 1:22:36
  the answer was that VAR couldn't have intervened because it doesn't have the power to do that.
• 1:22:41
  Steve, why doesn't VAR have the power to overrule decisions on the pitch when
• 1:22:46
  it certainly overrules a lot more on the pitch?
• 1:22:49
  It's just the way that the rules have have been set up and and
• 1:22:52
  you know again it's a it's another
• 1:22:54
  head scratcher with VAR we're all left thinking you know
• 1:22:58
  that we you were going to be improving the game
• 1:23:01
  with this technology but it's just another ludicrous rule
• 1:23:04
  that that has been implemented from the
• 1:23:07
  very start and you know certain situations it's
• 1:23:10
  not all situations that it affects but it's a situation like
• 1:23:13
  that that affects and ultimately the referee is the man
• 1:23:16
  who still has the power you know to make decisions on on
• 1:23:18
  the pitch and if he doesn't flag that up as a as an issue
• 1:23:21
  if he doesn't if he doesn't see it and you
• 1:23:25
  know and clamp down on it then VAR can't
• 1:23:28
  say to the referee hold on a minute he's just
• 1:23:31
  moved the ball so you know it's as simple as that really it's
• 1:23:34
  it's it's you know it's the right
• 1:23:36
  thing because the referee should have control but then the referee
• 1:23:39
  you know the referee doesn't have ultimate control because if
• 1:23:42
  he misses something in play then you
• 1:23:47
  know they you know they can then pull it back and say hold on
• 1:23:50
  he was offside hold on that was a handball so yeah i
• 1:23:53
  mean really you know the referee should have picked up on it he should have
• 1:23:56
  you know he should have been you know he should have been on the ball shouldn't
• 1:24:00
  he should have he should have gone back once the ones once he's happy that the
• 1:24:03
  wall's gone the correct distance and once he's happy that you know he's ready
• 1:24:06
  to restart play he should have gone back to see where he had you know essentially
• 1:24:11
  potentially awarded the free kick.
• 1:24:13
  He would have noticed because, like we mentioned, it looked like party string
• 1:24:17
  that he picked up. It looked like he was using something along those lines.
• 1:24:21
  And as he picked it up, if you watch it back, it almost disintegrates.
• 1:24:27
  He manages to pick part of it and move it, but it was quite clearly the original
• 1:24:33
  line was still where the free kick was awarded.
• 1:24:35
  So had the referee gone back and looked at the positioning, he would have seen
• 1:24:39
  that the ball had been moved, so then he could have corrected it.
• 1:24:42
  And all he would have said was, you know, he wouldn't have, I don't think he
• 1:24:45
  would have booked Tony at all.
• 1:24:46
  I mean, you know, he would have just said, look, you know, we'll have the ball
• 1:24:49
  back where it was, please.
• 1:24:51
  But that's that, you know, and in real time, was that really going to be picked
• 1:24:56
  up whenever, whenever somebody, you know, whenever, whenever VAR,
• 1:25:00
  you know, the VAR officials you would imagine would be sitting watching that.
• 1:25:03
  And, you know, it's just natural for a striker to pick a ball up and get placement and do what he wants.
• 1:25:08
  But, you know, with further examination, you know, with hindsight,
• 1:25:12
  you watch it and he quite clearly gives himself an advantage.
• 1:25:15
  And, you know, you've got to blame the defenders as well.
• 1:25:19
  I mean, you know, one of the defenders saw exactly what was going on,
• 1:25:22
  you know, told the goalkeeper to change, you know, to change his wall or,
• 1:25:27
  you know, to watch his position. and he telegraphed what was going to happen and they didn't stop it.
• 1:25:33
  So it is what it is. It's not the most controversial thing I've seen this season
• 1:25:37
  as far as VAR or non-VAR is concerned, but it's done now and you've just got to move on.
• 1:25:43
  But I dare say when there's a free kick on the edge of the box,
• 1:25:46
  referees and linesmen will be looking a little bit more at Mr.
• 1:25:50
  Tony, making sure that he doesn't move the ball and I think the next attempt
• 1:25:53
  he will be clamped down on.
• 1:25:55
  Teddy boy, I think it's a bit silly that you've got a video assistant referee.
• 1:25:59
  The referee is actually in the name and he can't intervene.
• 1:26:02
  If he's picked something up that the referee hasn't seen that he can't get in
• 1:26:06
  the ear and say, look, mate, Ivan Turner's just moved the ball a bit.
• 1:26:09
  You might want to bring that back.
• 1:26:11
  Yeah, I mean, first of all, I have to take you to task, right?
• 1:26:14
  You described VR as a three-letter word. It's actually an acronym,
• 1:26:18
  but there you go. Oh, yeah, well, it's true. Grammar lesson aside.
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  Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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  Nice, well played, well played. No worries, no worries.
• 1:26:28
  Just friendly. Yeah, so VR, obviously, no authority to intervene on restarts.
• 1:26:33
  So, yeah, it's down to the referee on the pitch.
• 1:26:36
  I get what you're saying. video referee is there
• 1:26:39
  for a reason to pick up on things like that and
• 1:26:42
  there maybe could have been a word in the air but we've
• 1:26:45
  got to bear in mind that var is still very much in its infancy it's
• 1:26:49
  it's still developing all the time as far as we're finding out its limitations
• 1:26:53
  on an almost daily basis really so yeah not much you can do i mean look it's
• 1:26:59
  not like ivan tony's like moved at you know 10 foot closer to the goal and kind
• 1:27:05
  of given an absolute absolute daylight advantage,
• 1:27:07
  he's stole a yard. It happens all the time.
• 1:27:11
  How many times do we see free kicks taken anywhere around the park?
• 1:27:16
  Almost never in the exact spot that the incident has taken place.
• 1:27:20
  It's just part of the game. Players steal a yard. Whether it's given them so
• 1:27:25
  much of an advantage where it's given them an advantage in terms of scoring,
• 1:27:29
  he might have scored the free kick if he took it from exactly where it was supposed to be taken from.
• 1:27:34
  We don't know that all he's done is move the ball a little bit like Steve says,
• 1:27:38
  it's not worth a booking it's not even worth maybe it's a little bit of a word
• 1:27:43
  of knock it back a couple of inches mate that's where I've drawn the line,
• 1:27:48
  it's down to the referee for me to ensure the ball is in place and all is good
• 1:27:53
  and keep an eye out for things like that we know it happens,
• 1:27:56
  if we're going to be that stringent about the rule,
• 1:27:58
  then watch the player as the free kick's being taken take one last check before
• 1:28:03
  the free kick's even taken, whatever,
• 1:28:05
  but I don't think enough of an advantage was gained where that's resulted in
• 1:28:11
  the goal, because he could have quite easily stuck it away from where the free
• 1:28:15
  kick was originally spotted.
• 1:28:16
  So do you think, I guess, in another instance, if Ivan Toni had moved the ball
• 1:28:22
  forward, for instance, to bring it closer to the goal, then the VAR could have stepped in?
• 1:28:29
  I mean, is that technically... It's like how long's a piece of string, though, isn't it?
• 1:28:32
  Because if you're moving it forward two, three inches, then is that an advantage? Probably not.
• 1:28:39
  It's maybe just avoiding maybe a little divot in the turf.
• 1:28:44
  So moving it forward something like that, not really an advantage,
• 1:28:48
  isn't it, in the grand scheme of things?
• 1:28:49
  You're talking about a pitch that's like, you know, what, 110 metres long, whatever it is.
• 1:28:53
  In the grand scheme of things, it's not an advantage.
• 1:28:57
  But obviously if you're trying to steal you know a metre, two metres,
• 1:29:01
  something like that then yes, obviously it should be,
• 1:29:05
  intervened, you're never going to get it exactly on the blade of grass that
• 1:29:08
  it's pointed out in the first place are you
• 1:29:10
  and I would hate to think we get to that stage that we're being that petty about
• 1:29:14
  it, that we're having to stop
• 1:29:16
  you know, like in snooker to have a ball re-spotted and
• 1:29:20
  sort of look at the camera angles and then take even more time
• 1:29:23
  out of the action of the game to have have a free kick spotted exactly where
• 1:29:26
  it should be taken from because that that that just that
• 1:29:29
  just ruins the game even more does i mean
• 1:29:32
  obviously on this we see the shaving cream for instance being
• 1:29:35
  put where the ball needs to be kicked from and then obviously they space out
• 1:29:40
  and put it for the wall is there any point putting it where the ball needs to
• 1:29:44
  be kicked from if we can just move it around a little bit yeah it's it's all
• 1:29:48
  a bit of a farce for me and i think the fact that they've have come out and
• 1:29:52
  said, look, we can't do anything about this.
• 1:29:55
  Is highlighting it again when it didn't really need highlighting again?
• 1:29:59
  You know, the bloke has just come back from a ban for cheating,
• 1:30:04
  for doing something that he shouldn't have done.
• 1:30:05
  He goes straight back onto the pitch. They give him a glorious welcome back.
• 1:30:10
  They make him club captain.
• 1:30:11
  And one of the first things he does is...
• 1:30:15
  He cheats again and, you know, moves the ball, moves the shaving foam,
• 1:30:19
  scores a goal, runs away like he's a hero.
• 1:30:22
  I'm just, it just, again, a sour taste in your mouth.
• 1:30:26
  And, you know, I'm thinking of kids watching this thinking, oh,
• 1:30:31
  well, that's all right. He's got away with this, hasn't he? So that's all right then.
• 1:30:33
  We can all do this. Yep, we can all do this, everyone.
• 1:30:36
  You know, one of the things that talking to a dad who, I mean,
• 1:30:41
  my lads are now 19, coming up 20.
• 1:30:45
  And I went through the whole kids football with them playing for a local team
• 1:30:50
  and all that sort of stuff and one of the dads,
• 1:30:52
  I was chatting to a guy and he was saying that his kids are going through all
• 1:30:55
  that now they're 9 or 10 or what have you and going through that and one of
• 1:30:59
  the things that the kids are doing now is as they're coming off the pitch,
• 1:31:03
  at half time or what have you when they're talking to each other they're covering
• 1:31:07
  their mouths with their hands as they're talking to each other,
• 1:31:11
  like you see the footballers do on the telly I mean it's hilarious you know these kids are thinking,
• 1:31:19
  I'm watching them do this on the telly so this is what we need to do just in
• 1:31:24
  case anybody is asking you know have you got a baby bell at half time?
• 1:31:28
  No no I've got a fruit shoot, do you know what I mean?
• 1:31:31
  It's like, so kids are watching what these professional footballers are doing on the TV exactly.
• 1:31:39
  And you know I don't think we should be highlighting this anymore,
• 1:31:42
  I don't know why this is a story in that, by the way, we can't...
• 1:31:45
  It's Rice's fault. He did the headline. No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:31:48
  No, but why have they come out and said, we can't do anything about this?
• 1:31:51
  Why didn't they just leave it then? You know? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:56
  It's not news, is it? I mean, I...
• 1:31:58
  I do want to be like the players. We can't do anything. So I'm going to start
• 1:32:01
  talking to the radio through my head now. Can you guys still hear me?
• 1:32:04
  I'm talking through my head.
• 1:32:05
  Okay, so now nobody that potentially is tuning in, you know,
• 1:32:09
  maybe Radio Dad who wants to, you know, change the lineup.
• 1:32:12
  Now he can't see what I'm saying. See, and now we're safe. Okay, so now well done.
• 1:32:16
  How clever am I? But you're absolutely right, Daz. And it's the message it sends
• 1:32:20
  to the younger audience.
• 1:32:22
  They copy everything that the players want to do. They're heroes.
• 1:32:25
  What they do on and off the pitch, you know, It is exactly how these people
• 1:32:28
  want to live their lives. If
• 1:32:29
  they go and buy this new TV, then these guys want that TV sort of thing.
• 1:32:33
  So it is an interesting thing that it has even been brought up.
• 1:32:36
  Now, still on Nottingham Forest, lads, it's just been revealed as well last night.
• 1:32:40
  Something that's interesting to me is that the majority,
• 1:32:44
  now they haven't revealed how many of them, but obviously we know that Nottingham
• 1:32:48
  Forest are now struggling with FFP, so much struggling that they've been fined
• 1:32:51
  and they will have to face the truth serum very soon about what's going to happen there.
• 1:32:55
  But the majority of the Nottingham Forest squad has been revealed that they
• 1:33:00
  do not have any pay cut clauses in their contracts in the event of relegation.
• 1:33:05
  Therefore, if Nottingham Forest come through and have to be relegated due to
• 1:33:10
  the financial fair play,
• 1:33:11
  even if they've got points taken off them, whatever it may be,
• 1:33:14
  if they find themselves in the championship next season, then their 20,
• 1:33:19
  30-odd signings that they made for multi-million dollars are all going to be
• 1:33:24
  on the current wages they're on.
• 1:33:26
  Teddy boy, surely something has to be done where something like that happens
• 1:33:30
  when they drop to the championship?
• 1:33:32
  Yeah, I can't get my head around this because every club should have that written
• 1:33:38
  in every single contract.
• 1:33:40
  Because, I mean, at best, it's arrogant to presume that you're not going to get relegated.
• 1:33:45
  And if you do, I mean, that absolutely ruins the club.
• 1:33:49
  Without fail, that absolutely ruins the club.
• 1:33:54
  To take a wage bill down in the championship like that, all right,
• 1:33:58
  you're fine for one year maybe. You might, might get away with it.
• 1:34:02
  Let's face it, Forrest haven't got absolute world-beating superstars like some
• 1:34:06
  of the other Premier League teams have. So you might just squeak away with it,
• 1:34:11
  but that's assuming you are going to bounce straight back up.
• 1:34:15
  There is no guarantee of that in the championship.
• 1:34:18
  We've seen it over the years. Leicester, different beast this year,
• 1:34:22
  and Leicester looked very, very strong.
• 1:34:24
  They looked, of all intents and purposes, like they're going to go back up.
• 1:34:27
  But how many of those sides do we see in the championship, even in League 1,
• 1:34:33
  some even in League 2, who are former Premier League clubs, who can't get back
• 1:34:39
  out of that division, back into the Premier League?
• 1:34:41
  Taking that wage bill down into Year 2 in the championship, that is dangerous.
• 1:34:47
  And given the sanctions and everything that's, you know, the charges that Forrest
• 1:34:51
  are facing, the owners, they're almost, they're just sleepwalking the club into oblivion.
• 1:34:58
  It's absolutely astounding. I mean, I know I was upset at the time when we got
• 1:35:03
  relegated and Jermaine Defoe had a release clause in his contract.
• 1:35:08
  Now that's a different thing.
• 1:35:10
  So basically it was, if Sunderland got relegated, Jermaine Defoe was free to
• 1:35:14
  join another club. This is when we got relegated out of the Premier League.
• 1:35:17
  And fans were absolutely raging about that because that never should have existed.
• 1:35:22
  Our best chance of firing ourselves back up into the Premier League would have
• 1:35:27
  been holding on to somebody like Jermaine Defoe to fire the goals in to take us back.
• 1:35:31
  That wasn't allowed to happen. But what we always have done is put those relegation clauses in.
• 1:35:37
  I think it's anywhere between 15% and 25% maybe that they lose,
• 1:35:41
  possibly even more now, probably about a 40% cut. But that's got to be there.
• 1:35:46
  I mean, if those players don't keep you in the Premier League,
• 1:35:50
  they don't deserve to be paid Premier League wages, do they?
• 1:35:54
  It's just common sense. It's incredible, isn't it?
• 1:35:56
  That's incredible. I mean, Steve, their annual payroll, right?
• 1:36:00
  Their annual, this is annual, not their weekly, but their annual payroll is $74,652.
• 1:36:09
  74 million, sorry, yes, 74,652,000 is their annual payroll for a 1,435,615 weekly.
• 1:36:22
  That is their current payroll.
• 1:36:23
  Their average player is on 37,779 pounds per week for a yearly average player
• 1:36:32
  of around 2 million pounds.
• 1:36:34
  That dropping down to the championship, ludicrous, right?
• 1:36:39
  Yeah, it is. Not having those kind of fees.
• 1:36:42
  I'd like to know how many players would be, like if they do go down with their
• 1:36:46
  season, how many would be out of contract?
• 1:36:47
  But I mean, they've got so many players, haven't they? I mean,
• 1:36:49
  I haven't kept a close eye on Forrest's squad, but I mean, they did almost sign
• 1:36:55
  an entirely new team when they first got to the Premier League.
• 1:36:58
  I mean, it's paid dividends for them. They've stayed up and,
• 1:37:01
  you know, they've managed to retain their Premier League position.
• 1:37:05
  I mean, you know, unless they have, you know, points deducted,
• 1:37:09
  I'd still say the bottom three are the three that go, but I think Forrest could do it again this season.
• 1:37:14
  But yeah, it's Dyson with financial danger really doing something like that.
• 1:37:20
  And, you know, you'd have to have a huge fire sale.
• 1:37:22
  Players would want to go at the end of the season.
• 1:37:25
  And, you know, there's some players there that would be handy for Premier League
• 1:37:29
  teams and Championship teams.
• 1:37:31
  So they just have to have a big sale. But yeah, it does leave you scratching your head a little bit.
• 1:37:36
  I mean, those figures that you just mentioned, £37,000 is what their average player is on wage-wise.
• 1:37:43
  It's not particularly high wage for the Premier League. I can imagine that's
• 1:37:47
  a high wage for Nottingham Forest,
• 1:37:48
  having spent a lot of time in the Championship over recent seasons.
• 1:37:51
  But in the grand scheme of things, £37,000 a week for a player.
• 1:37:56
  That's a lower-end wage, you would have said.
• 1:37:58
  I mean, I think Newcastle's probably double that, that, you know,
• 1:38:02
  probably 60, 70 grand for most of the players that are established.
• 1:38:06
  But yeah, it's football suicide, isn't it?
• 1:38:10
  It's a daft thing to do, not have those kind of clauses in.
• 1:38:13
  And, you know, you would question who's writing the contract for us,
• 1:38:18
  certainly over, you know, over somebody who would, you know,
• 1:38:22
  make sure that they're looking after the club's best interests.
• 1:38:24
  It sounds almost like they're looking after the players' best interests there.
• 1:38:29
  Maybe that's what they've got to do to get people there. Yeah.
• 1:38:32
  It was 300 million on 43 players in three transfer windows.
• 1:38:37
  And Financial Fair plays like, ah, maybe.
• 1:38:42
  You talk about- No one got the Forrest the average. Yeah.
• 1:38:46
  Might give them a ring tomorrow morning. How's that sound? After me, morning coffee.
• 1:38:50
  This is the top five earning players at Forrest currently, and they're gross per week.
• 1:38:55
  So you've got Divock Origi, who is the top paid player per week.
• 1:38:58
  This is in pound. He's on 120,000 per week.
• 1:39:02
  Chris Wood is in second on 80,000. He is tied with Gibbs White,
• 1:39:06
  who's also on 80,000. Felipe is also on 80,000.
• 1:39:10
  Callum Hudson-Odoi, also on 80,000. And then Sangari and Aurea are both on 75,000 pounds per week.
• 1:39:19
  This is reported through Capology, which obviously reports every team's financial breakdown.
• 1:39:25
  So there you go. If some of those players drop down to the championship,
• 1:39:28
  you could be coming up against against a Divock Origi on 120,000 pounds per
• 1:39:32
  week, against Emmanuel Latelath and the likes, or, you know...
• 1:39:37
  You know, Mason Burstow, for instance, it's incredible.
• 1:39:42
  And Forrest, you know, are going to have to face the music very,
• 1:39:45
  very soon for their financial fair play breaches, which they were proven alongside Everton.
• 1:39:49
  But it could be a lot more to play out this season with financial fair play
• 1:39:52
  as well. I feel like I've been talking about money all this day, but I apologize.
• 1:39:57
  It was just, you know, I'll just do the headlines as they're revealed.
• 1:40:00
  That is your morning Northeast show done. We are going to pass it over to Daz.
• 1:40:04
  We're going to even give him time for music. Music.
• 1:40:06
  Daz, what is on your beautiful, beautiful morning show this morning?
• 1:40:09
  Well, we've got a chat degree this morning that's coming up.
• 1:40:12
  We're going to have a look and see what's on the newspaper front pages,
• 1:40:15
  get you up to date with the showbiz news, see what's on the telly tonight.
• 1:40:19
  And, of course, we have got the quiz that is sweeping the nation.
• 1:40:23
  It is named that thing. Yeah, it's like my geography one. Yeah.
• 1:40:25
  So, Daz, are you going to bring that one that you couldn't, that wasn't sold
• 1:40:29
  to you next week instead of this stupid geography thing? Yeah,
• 1:40:32
  we'll do that Tuesday. Tuesday.
• 1:40:33
  I'm back on Tuesday, so we'll do that on Tuesday.
• 1:40:36
  Great stuff, mate. On Tuesday I'm not here. I'm off. Are you here Thursday?
• 1:40:42
  Yes, I am. I'll keep it till Thursday. Keep it till Thursday, yeah?
• 1:40:46
  Is everyone else Taz time off? I'm having time off. Fair enough.
• 1:40:53
  Have a lovely, lovely Thursday, guys. Always a pleasure.
• 1:40:58
  Thank you, Taz, for sitting in the hot seat. Thank you for tuning in to the
• 1:41:01
  North East We'll be back tomorrow to look at the FA Cup.
• 1:41:11
  Music.