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Fake Heiress Anna Delvey Claims Ankle Monitor Makes Her a Spectacle · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace does the name Anna Delvi
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Speaker 1: ring a bell the fake Heiress aka Anna Sorkin, who
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Speaker 1: claimed to be a Russian heiress and worth millions of dollars,
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Speaker 1: But what she did is rip off friends and business
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Speaker 1: acquaintances to the ten of tens of thousands of dollars,
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Speaker 1: possibly up to a quarter million dollars. Well, it ain't
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Speaker 1: over yet. In the last days, the fake Heiress Anna
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Speaker 1: Delvi says she doesn't want to be a quote spectacle. Really,
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Speaker 1: since when she doesn't want to be a quote spectacle
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Speaker 1: with her be dazzled ankle monitor, I mean, is he Grace?
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Anna Delvi, who we believe ripped off friends, acquaintances, and
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Speaker 1: business connections up to the tune of around two hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars, convincing all these people she was
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Speaker 1: a fake Russian heiress. Oh, dear Lord in Heaven now
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Speaker 1: claims wearing her ankle monitor is a quote pain and
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Speaker 1: she's lodging constant complaints about her ankle monitor. The choice
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Speaker 1: is going back to jail Anna Delvi aka and Asorkin,
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Speaker 1: but the fake Heiress tells the new York Post. It's
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Speaker 1: not about style. She just doesn't want to be stared at.
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Speaker 1: Really doesn't want to be stared at. That's all she
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Speaker 1: wants is to be stared at. Delvi again, whose real
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Speaker 1: name is Annasorkin, has been forced to wear the GPS
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Speaker 1: tracker since she was released from US Immigration and Customs
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Speaker 1: on a ten thousand dollars bond back in October twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty two. This is while she fights being deported back
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Speaker 1: to Germany. Every month she has to check in with
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Speaker 1: ICE in New York and she's been a quote real
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Speaker 1: pain in the ass end quote constantly complaining the device
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Speaker 1: is quote not fashionable. I can't believe I'm hearing this.
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Speaker 1: Does it never end with this woman? Now? This is
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Speaker 1: according to the US Department of Homeland Security. But Delvy,
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Speaker 1: who was the inspiration for a Netflix special nine episodes,
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Speaker 1: as I recall that I was forced to watch my
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Speaker 1: eyes were bleeding to prepare to cover the case, and
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Speaker 1: since that, she just doesn't want to be a spectacle
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Speaker 1: that comes with wearing an ankle monitor. Let's refresh our recollection.
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Speaker 1: Who is Annadelvi? Why does she claims she's a fake heiress?
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Speaker 1: Her real name is Annasorkin. Why doesn't she acknowledge she
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Speaker 1: actually has real parents back home in Germany? And how
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Speaker 1: did she rip off New York society to the tune
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Speaker 1: of about a quarter million dollars? Now complaining her ankle
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Speaker 1: monitor is quote not fashionable? What happened? Art aside? Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Inside edition.
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Speaker 2: She claims she was a wealthy heiress from Europe worth
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Speaker 2: more than sixty million dollars, but it was a lie.
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Speaker 2: Annasorkin went to prison for two years for defrauding banks, hotels,
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Speaker 2: and even her closest friends out of hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 2: of dollars. Her trial drew international attention.
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Speaker 1: This woman made national headlines posing as a wealthy woman.
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Speaker 2: Now, the woman known as the SOHO Grifter is speaking
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Speaker 2: to ABC's Debra Rubber.
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Speaker 3: This is the first time you've sat down for television interview.
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Speaker 3: Why are you talking with us?
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Speaker 4: Why not?
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Speaker 5: I would like to show the world that I'm not
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Speaker 5: this downgraedy person that they portrayed me to be.
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Speaker 1: You ask her who she really is?
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Speaker 6: Did she tell you annas organ is a very complicated character.
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Speaker 7: You might believe that Annasaurican is a very gifted, clever
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Speaker 7: wanna be businesswoman or a complete con artist. And there
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Speaker 7: are many people in her way who would tell you
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Speaker 7: that she is the classic con artist.
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Speaker 1: Why can't she be both? Why can't she be a
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Speaker 1: great business person and the ultimate scammer? I see her
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Speaker 1: as both. Take a listen hour cut one from the
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Speaker 1: Vanity Fair special Scandalous.
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Speaker 8: By twenty sixteen, Anna Delvey was a regular in the
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Speaker 8: NYC social scene, frequenting many popular downtown restaurants, bars, and clubs.
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Speaker 8: With an extravagant lifestyle and a seemingly endless supply of money.
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Speaker 8: Delvy was an enigma that was made for the age
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Speaker 8: of Instagram, always at the right place, with the right people,
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Speaker 8: living her best life, but with no apparent cause for
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Speaker 8: her fame.
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Speaker 1: With Me, an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now With Me Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags and hosts of Today with Doctor
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Speaker 1: Wendy KCBQ. If you can find her at wendypatrickphd dot com.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Donna Rockwell Special guests joining us clinical psychologists in
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Speaker 1: both Michigan and New York specializing in celebrity mental health
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Speaker 1: on faculty Saybrook University Jim Ellis with a special guest
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Speaker 1: joining US certified fraud examiner, former fed with the FBI.
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Speaker 1: Don't mess with this guy. FBI agent twenty nine years now,
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Speaker 1: private investigator at JKE Texas Private Investigator JKE Texas dot Com.
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Speaker 1: But first, I want to go to a woman I've
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Speaker 1: been dying to talk to, Rebecca Rosenberg with Fox News Digital.
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Speaker 1: She's a crime reporter and author of a fantastic book
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Speaker 1: At any Cost, Rebecca, who is this woman?
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Speaker 9: Who is this woman? Well, her family came from Russia,
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Speaker 9: they moved to Germany, and I believe her father was
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Speaker 9: actually a truck driver. She did not come from a
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Speaker 9: wealthy family, and she just invented this identity when she came.
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Speaker 10: To New York.
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Speaker 1: Now, her coming to New York was quite a story.
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Speaker 1: So Russian born moving to Germany, the child of a
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Speaker 1: truck driver. She ends up getting a job or an
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Speaker 1: internship that takes her to Paris. From there, the position
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Speaker 1: brings her to New York. I believe it was mon talk.
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Speaker 1: And then she very simply overstayed her visa, which thousands
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Speaker 1: of people do every year, but none do it in
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Speaker 1: the style of Anna Sorokan. Take a listen to Our
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Speaker 1: cut six our friends at Inside Edition.
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Speaker 11: Is she in a courtroom or at a red carpet event?
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Speaker 11: Annasorrikin is accused of posing as an heiress to live
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Speaker 11: an extravagant lifestyle, But it's what she's wearing to trial
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Speaker 11: that is making headlines. The twenty seven year old defendant
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Speaker 11: showed up wearing a form fitting black dress with a
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Speaker 11: plunging neckline and choker necklace. It's a look that could
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Speaker 11: backfire Warren stylist John Karen.
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Speaker 1: Black dress definitely a no.
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Speaker 12: No.
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Speaker 1: A hyper sexualize her. It makes her appear to be
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Speaker 1: like a seductress.
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Speaker 7: The choker kind of shows to me that she's trying
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Speaker 7: to be overtly sexy.
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Speaker 1: The more sexy she appears to be, it hurts her.
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Speaker 11: Soorkin is so obsessed with her clothes she refused to
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Speaker 11: enter the courtroom because the outfit she was given to
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Speaker 11: wear was not up to her standards. The angry judge
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Speaker 11: told her this is unacceptable and inappropriate.
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Speaker 1: This is not a fashion show. Wow, well you know,
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Speaker 1: but it didn't work. She continued wearing designer clothes to
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Speaker 1: every single court appears. But this goes way back her
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Speaker 1: desire for a lifestyle she could not afford. Started in
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Speaker 1: her teens. Take a listening our buddy Jesse Palmer at
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Speaker 1: Daily Mail TV.
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Speaker 13: Anna, who interned at a trendy French magazine, reportedly managed
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Speaker 13: to scam extended stays in swanky Manhattan hotels, dinner at
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Speaker 13: high end restaurants, and flights on chartered jets to finance
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Speaker 13: her lavish lifestyle and keep the grift going. She allegedly
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Speaker 13: built banks out of thousands in cash. And that's not all.
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Speaker 13: The fake heiress reportedly fleees her friend out of sixty
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Speaker 13: two thousand dollars for a world class trip to Morocco.
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Speaker 13: But Anna went too far when she attempted to take
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Speaker 13: out a loan for twenty two million dollars to finance
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Speaker 13: a visual arts center she called the Anna Delvi Foundation.
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Speaker 13: In all, Anna reportedly scammed a total of two hundred
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Speaker 13: and seventy five thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just me, but to you Doctor Donna Rockwell
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Speaker 1: joining US clinical psychologist Faculty Saber University. Doctor Rockwell, I
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Speaker 1: don't know very many people except maybe Alois that lives
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Speaker 1: in hotels.
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Speaker 14: No, I guess we don't really know many people who
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Speaker 14: live in hotels. But it's very posh, isn't it to
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Speaker 14: do that? She might be a eloise poser, I guess,
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Speaker 14: but you know that makes her look really unattainable and
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Speaker 14: like she's got lots of money. So I think people
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Speaker 14: in her situation will do anything they can to look
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Speaker 14: like they're billionaires, not even millionaires.
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Speaker 1: And Rebecca Rosenberg joining us in Fox News Digital. Rebecca,
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Speaker 1: she wasn't just staying down at the Motel six. She
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Speaker 1: was staying at very very expensive and luxurious hotels.
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Speaker 9: Yes, she was staying at eleven Howard Street for a
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Speaker 9: very long time.
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Speaker 10: Racked up a.
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Speaker 9: Bill and that tens of thousands of dollars, and that's
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Speaker 9: where she lived here for a big chunk of the time.
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Speaker 1: For the New York You know, it was really interesting
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Speaker 1: that she created this illusion that super rich and super
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Speaker 1: educated people fell for, and I guess you'd call it
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Speaker 1: New York society. Until she went and basically invited herself
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Speaker 1: to be on a yacht in a bisa and then
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Speaker 1: after everyone got off at the end of the vacation,
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Speaker 1: she and her boyfriend turned and get back on and
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Speaker 1: stay for another week or ten days. I mean, Jim
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Speaker 1: Ellis you're the certified fraud examiner, former FBI agent twenty
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Speaker 1: nine years. For beat's sake, When you commandeer a yacht
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Speaker 1: with a captain and a staff and all the food
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Speaker 1: and you're out at sea and the gas, that is
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Speaker 1: a huge bill.
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Speaker 10: A huge bill. And frankly, you know, she probably could
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Speaker 10: have been stopped and exposed at that point if any
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Speaker 10: of these people along the way you lost money, who
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Speaker 10: got you know, enticed by her story and it actually
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Speaker 10: applied you know, reason and common sense at a certain point,
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Speaker 10: things wouldn't have gotten as far as they did.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's really interesting. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags. You can hear her on today
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Speaker 1: with doctor Wendy k c b Q. Doctor Wendy, I
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Speaker 1: find it, Wendy Patrick, I find it really interesting that
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Speaker 1: the owners or the people that had rented the yacht
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Speaker 1: originally didn't go after her. Now the they we are
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Speaker 1: really really wealthy Hampton Nights And I got to tell
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Speaker 1: you something, Wendy, I've been to the Hamptons a couple
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Speaker 1: of times for charity when I would be speaking to
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Speaker 1: a group or raising money somehow or other. That's the
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Speaker 1: SAE Wendy. I couldn't wait till I packed up my
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Speaker 1: little rental car and got I mean, I knew I
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Speaker 1: was a dog upstairs. I did not get in. That
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Speaker 1: was not where I was supposed to be. And these
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Speaker 1: rich people that got ripped off but didn't report it,
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Speaker 1: whether they didn't want to look stupid or what. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know that's right, Nancy.
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Speaker 14: I'm like you.
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Speaker 10: I'm more I'm more familiar with the Hampton in with
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Speaker 10: the free breakfast.
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Speaker 1: I was stealing it. Go ahead.
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Speaker 4: So this is the this is the problem with the
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Speaker 4: super super rich. And it is a problem because financial
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Speaker 4: responsibility should be everyone's responsibility. But they probably either.
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Speaker 14: Didn't know or didn't care.
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Speaker 4: Why do I say that, because we've covered so many
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Speaker 4: stories where you do have the ultra rich that are
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Speaker 4: scammed are defrauded.
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Speaker 14: By somebody like Anna, but don't.
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Speaker 4: Consider it in the balance to be worth their while
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Speaker 4: to pursue it.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace welcome back. She claims she
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Speaker 1: quote doesn't want to be a spectacle. But the fake
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Speaker 1: German heiress Anna Delvey, who once claimed she was worth
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Speaker 1: sixty million dollars, is spotted completely glam to the max,
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Speaker 1: with hair and makeup and designer clothes to take out
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Speaker 1: her trash in her New York City apartment building. The
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Speaker 1: former jailbird spotted in a chic outfit taking out the trash,
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Speaker 1: an all black ensemble, including her be dazzled ankle monitor.
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Speaker 1: She's been promoting her new podcast, The Anna Delvey Show.
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Speaker 1: How Have I missed? That she was spotted emerging from
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Speaker 1: her Eastern Village apartment with a garbage bag. Unlike most
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Speaker 1: New Yorkers, including myself and my family, she opted for
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Speaker 1: a fully glammed look to take out the trash. Her
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Speaker 1: hair was beautifully blown out, healed black sandals, black stockings,
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Speaker 1: black mini dress accented with an oversized black belt, a
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Speaker 1: silver clutch, and several pieces of ornate gold jewelry hmm
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Speaker 1: all to take out the trash. It's been revealed that
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Speaker 1: Delviy was launching a podcast while under house arrest, called
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Speaker 1: The Anna Delviy Show. It will question quote traditional notions
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Speaker 1: of right and wrong, and she will ponder. She says
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Speaker 1: what it means to be a rule breaker translation of
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Speaker 1: Felon who swapped two hundred and fifty thousand dollars from friends.
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Speaker 1: Yes her, so now it's a rule breaker who's questioning
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Speaker 1: traditional views of right and wrong. Now I've heard about
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Speaker 1: the trailer to her new show, and she states, you
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Speaker 1: might recognize my name as a character in a Netflix series,
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Speaker 1: but now you get to meet the real me. I
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Speaker 1: think I met the real Hurr in court as her
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Speaker 1: friends and acquaintances talk about how she stole their money.
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Speaker 1: Delvie claims her new show will quote question traditional notions
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Speaker 1: of what is right and wrong, and it's recorded from
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Speaker 1: her four thousand dollars a month East Village apartment, four
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a month, where she will tell, quote, the
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Speaker 1: craziest thing you've ever done for the sake of art. Okay,
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Speaker 1: can we get back to the ankle monitor that she
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Speaker 1: now says is too much of a spectacle that she'd
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Speaker 1: be dazzled. But let me give you a refresher on
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Speaker 1: Anna Delby what exactly happened. I'm not quite sure Rebecca
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Speaker 1: Rosenberg what her motivation is other than just living the
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Speaker 1: high life. But imagine the impact she could have made
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Speaker 1: being the daughter of a truck driver.
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Speaker 15: I mean, I'm the daughter of a railroad worker and
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Speaker 15: a bank teller, and I know my parents work over
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Speaker 15: time to send me to college, send me to law school,
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Speaker 15: and so much more.
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Speaker 1: She actually has a brilliant mind.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, but I.
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Speaker 9: Don't think that if she had been honest about her origins, anybody,
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Speaker 9: the people that she was trying to hang out with
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Speaker 9: the New York that they would have really paid.
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Speaker 10: Attention to her.
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Speaker 1: We know she was born in Russia, grew up in Germany.
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Speaker 1: Her father worked at a transport company. It went and solvent.
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Speaker 1: At nineteen, she left her parents and brother for Paris
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Speaker 1: to decide to pursue fashion. She has only ever spoken
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Speaker 1: very vaguely of her parents, as she terms conservative. But
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Speaker 1: while she's in pair, she takes on the name Anna
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Speaker 1: Delvy and she shoots photographs for a fashion art magazine
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Speaker 1: named Purple. She only got four hundred euros a month,
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Speaker 1: and she stayed financially dependent on her parents, who would
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Speaker 1: send her money pay for her apartment. Then she had
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Speaker 1: a breakup, headed to New York and she went for
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Speaker 1: a trip to Montalk and then Fashion Week, and that
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Speaker 1: really did it. When she was at Fashion Week, there
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Speaker 1: was no suggestion she would ever turn back. She went
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Speaker 1: from boutique hotel to boutique hotel, always handing out crisp
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Speaker 1: one hundred dollar tips and putting off bills with promises
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Speaker 1: of wire transfers that never happened. So, Rebecca Rosenberg, we've
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Speaker 1: got the one victim, Rachel Deluche Williams. But that's two
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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. What about all of
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Speaker 1: the hotels and all the other people she ripped off?
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Speaker 9: A lot of people didn't come forward, And actually Rachel
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Speaker 9: Delows was really interesting because at the end Rachel actually
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Speaker 9: couldn't get paid restitution because the jury did not find
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Speaker 9: Soroken guilty of ripping her off. That was kind of
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Speaker 9: that was one of the charges they did not convict
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Speaker 9: on take a listen to.
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Speaker 1: Our cut five b our friends at time.
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Speaker 12: Prosecutor Catherine mcau says the defendant has not assent to
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Speaker 12: her name as far as we can determine, also noting
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Speaker 12: that Soroken is Russian born, not in German, though she
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Speaker 12: could be deported to Germany no matter how the trial
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Speaker 12: turns out, as she's reportedly overstayed her visa. Under the
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Speaker 12: name Anna Delvy, she arrived in New York with a
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Speaker 12: high priced wardrobe and was known for handing out one
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Speaker 12: hundred dollars cash tips, reportedly saying at different points that
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Speaker 12: her father was a diplomat and an oil baron or
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Speaker 12: involved in the solar panel business, none of which are
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Speaker 12: the case. People who knew her said she often asked
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Speaker 12: others to use their credit cards to cover cab and
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Speaker 12: plane fares and then failing to repay them.
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg Netflix multi episode creation Inventing Anna. What is it?
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Speaker 9: It's a show based on her life story, so based
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Speaker 9: on it kind of glamorizes her. I'd see her criminal
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Speaker 9: activity in New York which she was convicted, and she
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Speaker 9: sold her life rights to Netflix for them to do
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Speaker 9: the show.
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Speaker 1: So this woman cons she cons big Jim Ellis joining
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Speaker 1: us former fed with the FBI. Have you ever seen
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Speaker 1: anything like it where a person who is so obsessed
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Speaker 1: with a lifestyle or getting money actually has alternate identities
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Speaker 1: and scams and lies to even their closest friends, their lovers.
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, I mean in her heart and Astoric is a
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Speaker 10: con and she basically just cares about herself and she
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Speaker 10: doesn't care what's left in her wake. And I've seen
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Speaker 10: this through my career, both as an FBI agent and
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Speaker 10: as a private investigator. People act the same way. I'm
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Speaker 10: familiar with one con artist who dressed up. He's a
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Speaker 10: Southern Baptist boy from Louisiana, and he dresses stuff like
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Speaker 10: a Hasidic jew complete with clothing and makeup, so he
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Speaker 10: could go vouch to other people in the Jewish community
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Speaker 10: for himself. I mean, the people will go to no
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Speaker 10: ends to satisfy their greed, to satisfy their one for
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Speaker 10: fame and power.
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Speaker 1: How do you untangle a case like this well.
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Speaker 10: I mean, obviously from a law enforcement perspective, you don't
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Speaker 10: even know about it.
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Speaker 1: So somebody who reports it, and I'm thinking about her personality,
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Speaker 1: she goes to trial. She goes to trial. I want
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Speaker 1: you to hear what the attorney said in court. Take
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut seven air PRIs at GMA.
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Speaker 16: She had to fake it until she can make it.
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Speaker 16: Those words from the defendant's own attorney, who claim she
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Speaker 16: never intended to commit a crime, but prosecutors call her
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Speaker 16: a fraud and a liar who would do almost anything
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Speaker 16: to prolong her life of luxury. This morning, the fate
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Speaker 16: of an alleged scam artist is now in the hands
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Speaker 16: of a jury. Both sides wrapping up arguments for a
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Speaker 16: case that's drawn international outrage. The style savvy defendant even
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Speaker 16: turning heads in court wearing an animal print dress. She
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Speaker 16: called herself Anna Delvi, a fashionable globetrotter who prosecutors say
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Speaker 16: was pretending to be a high flying German heiress living
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Speaker 16: a fairytale life of glitz and glnn. I'm among Manhattan's elite.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, take a listen to her and a soroken
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Speaker 1: in her own words our cut nine from the BBC.
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Speaker 1: Did you get a thrill from him?
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Speaker 7: I mean, were you satisfied when you got away with something,
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Speaker 7: when you achieved something, when when you slipped under the
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Speaker 7: radar and didn't have to pay Was it thrilling?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely not, because in my head I never thought that
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Speaker 5: I was cheating or getting away with anything. In my head,
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Speaker 5: like any money that would borrow from them that would
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Speaker 5: be getting back. I felt like they portrayed me as
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Speaker 5: like someone who is very manipulative, which I don't think
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Speaker 5: I am. And I was never really like too nice
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Speaker 5: of a person. I was never like really trying to
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Speaker 5: talk my way into anything. I kind of just told
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Speaker 5: people what I want and like the either gave it
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Speaker 5: to me or not.
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Speaker 1: And I just moved on. She taught them into what
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Speaker 1: she wanted through lines. I mean, donnad rockwell, we really
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Speaker 1: need a shrink. How can she take hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 1: of dollars in luxury hotels, clothing that she got her
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Speaker 1: friends to pay for, or racking up credit cards? She
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Speaker 1: should never pay back hundreds of thousands of dollars in
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Speaker 1: credit cards, all based on lies. I mean, she had
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Speaker 1: to know that was wrong. She wasn't just faking it,
23:13
Speaker 1: fake it till you make it. She was outright lying
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Speaker 1: for goods and services.
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Speaker 14: Yes, she was outright lying. That's how we see it.
23:23
Speaker 14: It's interesting, you know, because a person who has early
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Speaker 14: life narcissistic.
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Speaker 1: Wounds, okay, I see, I don't know what that means.
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Speaker 14: What it means that someone is only really thinking about themselves.
23:35
Speaker 1: You said a narcissistic wound. What's a narcissistic wound? I
23:38
Speaker 1: know who narcissist is, but what's a narcissistic wound?
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Speaker 14: When we're babies, If our mother or primary caretaker doesn't
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Speaker 14: look at us and say, who is a pretty baby?
23:49
Speaker 14: Is a pretty baby? We don't know that we exist.
23:52
Speaker 14: So without early life mirroring, meaning the parent or the
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Speaker 14: caregivers looking at you. You know you're existing, you're smiling back.
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Speaker 14: There becomes a deficit that develops in a person, and
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Speaker 14: that is who becomes a narcissist or a self serving
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Speaker 14: person in adulthood, and we probably know many of them
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Speaker 14: in our own lives. However, in the context of same,
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Speaker 14: there's something called acquired situational narcissism, which means that the
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Speaker 14: situations that we come into after we're a baby, in
24:24
Speaker 14: other words, like Anna when she was in her nineteen
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Speaker 14: and in her twenties, is enough to turn us into
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Speaker 14: that kind of a person, meaning all for me and
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Speaker 14: none for you. And how does she get away with that?
24:37
Speaker 14: She gets away with it because she's in denial, which
24:40
Speaker 14: is a psychological coping mechanism. So the only way that
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Speaker 14: she can do these things is to not have a conscience,
24:48
Speaker 14: to not think about it. So she has a sense
24:51
Speaker 14: of acquired situational narcissism because of her situation, and then
24:56
Speaker 14: wanted more of it and more of it and more
24:58
Speaker 14: of it. And what people don't really understand about same
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Speaker 14: is that it is as addictive as heroine. The second
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Speaker 14: we get a taste of the spotlight, most of us
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Speaker 14: we want more and more and more. And that's what
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Speaker 14: happened with Anna. She was in denial. She was projecting
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Speaker 14: anything that she was thinking about herself on to other people.
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Speaker 14: She asked for what she wanted, as we just heard
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Speaker 14: on the tape, she got it or she didn't get it,
25:24
Speaker 14: and she moved on. She did not have a conscience
25:27
Speaker 14: to think about is this the right thing? Am I
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Speaker 14: hurting anybody? That's not how these people think. And it
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Speaker 14: became more and more and more because it's same is addictive.
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Speaker 1: Now, even though we spotted Anna Delby totally glammed up
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Speaker 1: in sheer black stockings in a black mini dress to
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Speaker 1: take out her trash hair blowing out full hair and makeup,
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Speaker 1: she abandoned her super glam look for a drab dressed down.
25:52
Speaker 1: Why because she was meeting with her parole officer. Yes,
25:57
Speaker 1: she looked very pit the full on her way to
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Speaker 1: meet her parole officer, but quick change, she looks like
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Speaker 1: a runway model to take out the trash and get photographed.
26:13
Speaker 1: My question is why is she out walking free? She
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Speaker 1: hasn't paid her victims back with her bedazzled ankle monitor
26:22
Speaker 1: and you know Wendy Pastick, she may have justified it
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Speaker 1: in her own mind, and certainly not defending her, because
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Speaker 1: this is irrational red. This is not reasoning, it's irrational.
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Speaker 1: She was taking from rich people in the Hamptons. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking to, like thirty million dollar homes with you know,
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Speaker 1: guest houses that are you know, bigger than our homes
26:44
Speaker 1: or apartments. She was taking from someone that could afford it,
26:49
Speaker 1: Like she overstayed on the yacht for a week because
26:52
Speaker 1: somebody else much richer than her was paying for it.
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Speaker 1: So I wonder in her mind, is she justify it
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Speaker 1: that way?
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Speaker 4: Only? How did a very short amount of time with
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Speaker 4: something over all weekend or maybe even a week. But
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Speaker 4: the amount of time, the duration that this went on,
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Speaker 4: there was no conceivable way in her mind that she
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Speaker 4: possibly could have thought she would pay any of it back.
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Speaker 14: You know, she may have faked it until she made
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Speaker 14: it when she first got.
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Speaker 4: To New York, but when stealing money.
27:17
Speaker 14: From others over that period of time, faking it is fraud.
27:20
Speaker 4: Hopefully that was a sound by somebody who's at her trial,
27:23
Speaker 4: because there's no other way circumstantially you can justify that
27:27
Speaker 4: many victims over that.
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Speaker 1: Long period of time, and even now it's still all
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Speaker 1: about her. Take a listen to our friend Emily mate
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Speaker 1: list at the BBC cuts in why do you think
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Speaker 1: so many people believed here?
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Speaker 7: Then?
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Speaker 3: What was it in your personality that could convince people?
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Speaker 14: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: I think maybe believed I was smart and I was
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Speaker 5: working on something.
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Speaker 4: That was.
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Speaker 5: That could have like a great potential and that would
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Speaker 5: be successful.
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: I don't feel like she has much to do with
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Speaker 5: my personality. I guess like I really believed in myself
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Speaker 5: and what I was doing. I don't know, it's hard
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Speaker 5: to explain. I guess like people just see like I'm
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Speaker 5: talented and I was focused, and I work hard and
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Speaker 5: I could make them a lot of money.
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg worked hard and what every time I see
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Speaker 1: AFO or a post of her, she's on a luxury
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Speaker 1: trip or she's shopping at what Well.
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Speaker 14: I think.
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Speaker 9: I think a lot of her victims wanted to believe
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Speaker 9: in her success because it meant their success too. You know,
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Speaker 9: she's saying, Okay, I'm going to build this Annadelvy Foundation
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Speaker 9: in Manhattan for twenty two million, and you know, one
28:38
Speaker 9: of the persons, one of.
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Speaker 14: The people she do with the architect.
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Speaker 9: Well for him, you know, he he wanted to be
28:44
Speaker 9: involved in that big project, so he wanted to sort
28:47
Speaker 9: of believe the lie because it would ultimately help him.
28:50
Speaker 9: So I think a lot of it was people wanting
28:53
Speaker 9: to kind of believe it was true because there was
28:55
Speaker 9: an advantage to them.
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Speaker 1: These are just some of the things, and I want
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Speaker 1: to go to you on, Jim ellis that we have
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Speaker 1: uncovered falsifying financial documents from international banks wait for it,
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Speaker 1: totally approximately sixty million euros securing a loan of one
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Speaker 1: hundred grand after lying to bank reps with CTI, depositing
29:20
Speaker 1: countless bad checks and to other banks. I guess you
29:24
Speaker 1: know how you flow to check. You deposit a check,
29:28
Speaker 1: you would draw the funds, and then you try to
29:31
Speaker 1: short up from another bad account so that won't fall through,
29:35
Speaker 1: and then another You basically play rop a dope on banks.
29:39
Speaker 1: That was totally nearly eighty thousand dollars. That doesn't include
29:44
Speaker 1: the money she conned off our friends, never paying them back,
29:49
Speaker 1: theft of services almost a half a million dollars. I
29:53
Speaker 1: mean that's a lot of money, Jim, Oh, absolutely.
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Speaker 10: It's a lot of money. You mentioned earlier, you weren't
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Speaker 10: sure how she ever worked hard. She worked hard in
30:07
Speaker 10: preparing all these fraudulent documents and passing all those bogus
30:11
Speaker 10: checks and coming up with stories that were plausible but
30:15
Speaker 10: yet not too specific. The life of the con is
30:19
Speaker 10: hard work, and they do it for the for the power,
30:24
Speaker 10: they do it for the money, They do it for
30:25
Speaker 10: the same. I think she solved the banks as her
30:30
Speaker 10: potential savior. You know, you think of of like Elizabeth
30:34
Speaker 10: Holmes with Sarnos. You know, was she a genius or
30:37
Speaker 10: was she a scam artist? You know, if if Sorkin
30:43
Speaker 10: was able to produce all these phony documents and convince
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Speaker 10: a bank to lend her twenty two million dollars.
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Speaker 1: So why explain that to us, mere mortals? What do
30:53
Speaker 1: you mean produce phony documents and convince big banks to
30:55
Speaker 1: learn her a lots of money?
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Speaker 10: Sure it happened. You know, she apparently was really adept
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Speaker 10: in Adobe photoshop. I mean she was taking documents and
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Speaker 10: altering them to convince the bankers that she had Swiss
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Speaker 10: bank accounts, that she had trust documents, and she had
31:15
Speaker 10: lawyers and CPAs or accountants over in Europe, and it
31:20
Speaker 10: was going at least to a certain extent, probably till
31:24
Speaker 10: it hit the underwriting department, the people in the back
31:27
Speaker 10: of the office who make sure everything's all the boxes
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Speaker 10: are checked. It was it was painting a picture of her,
31:35
Speaker 10: of exactly who she was claiming to be. And I
31:39
Speaker 10: think if she she probably she possibly could have felt
31:43
Speaker 10: that if she was able to land that loan, in
31:47
Speaker 10: her mind, she probably was going to pay all those
31:49
Speaker 10: people back that she had scamped her in her mind.
31:52
Speaker 10: It's in her mind, and she may have we don't know.
31:56
Speaker 10: She's kicking the can down the road. She's getting her
31:59
Speaker 10: next victim, and when that, when it comes time to
32:02
Speaker 10: pay them back, she'll worry about that later. It's never ending.
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Speaker 10: I mean, it's what brings down every ponzee scheme in
32:10
Speaker 10: the end. And this wasn't a large scale ponzee scheme.
32:13
Speaker 10: But you know, some of that money she scammed through
32:18
Speaker 10: those phony checks that she deposited with City Bank and
32:21
Speaker 10: the loan she got from City National Bank, she used
32:26
Speaker 10: to pay some of her debts that to the hotels
32:31
Speaker 10: and other businesses so that she could stay afloat and
32:33
Speaker 10: maintain that illusion.
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Speaker 1: Well, Jim Ellis, I guess what you're saying is she
32:38
Speaker 1: would pay back the hotels to the extent that she
32:41
Speaker 1: could get them to allow her to stay there for
32:44
Speaker 1: even longer. I mean, what does it mean to Kyda check?
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Speaker 10: Well, to kaya check? And it's a lot harder nowadays
32:52
Speaker 10: than it used to be because the float, which is
32:54
Speaker 10: the time that the check is deposited in the one
32:56
Speaker 10: bank and actually clears in the originating bank, it's so
33:00
Speaker 10: much shorter. But you you basically taken a check and
33:04
Speaker 10: you present it to a bank that you know is worthless,
33:08
Speaker 10: or it may appear it has funds, but by the
33:11
Speaker 10: time that check is presented for payment to the originating bank,
33:15
Speaker 10: there aren't any.
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Speaker 1: Fund crime stories with Nancy Grace. In addition to whining
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Speaker 1: about her ankle monitor being unfashionable and a quote spectacle,
33:35
Speaker 1: Delvy also has filed a bid to end her quote
33:38
Speaker 1: draconian house arrest, claiming she has suffered quote severe emotional
33:45
Speaker 1: distress and stress in her four thousand, two hundred and
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Speaker 1: fifty dollars a month New York apartment. Who is she
33:54
Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at GMA Good Morning
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Speaker 1: America in New.
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Speaker 16: York City, Jury Finding, Social Life and asaur again a
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Speaker 16: so called SOHO grifter guilty on eight counts, including grand larceny,
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Speaker 16: attempted grand larcity, and theft of services.
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Speaker 13: The jurors obviously believed our point of view and followed
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Speaker 13: our logic and acquitted her for the top charges.
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Speaker 1: I'm sad and that she was convicted of some of
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Speaker 1: the other charges.
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Speaker 16: Sorgan was acquitted of two charges, including the most serious,
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Speaker 16: attempting to steal more than one million dollars from City
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Speaker 16: National Bank.
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Speaker 1: Jay re Mecca Rosenburg joining us from Foxy's Digital explaining
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Speaker 1: the split verdict. What was she convicted on and on
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Speaker 1: what was she acquitted?
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Speaker 9: She was acquitted on trying to score this massive twenty
34:36
Speaker 9: million dollars loan.
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Speaker 1: Which was one of the top charges.
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Speaker 9: That was the attempted grand larceny, and she was acquitted
34:44
Speaker 9: of stealing the number kind of varied, but around seventy
34:49
Speaker 9: thousand from Rachel Deloche. That was the trip that she
34:52
Speaker 9: invited her best friend at the time, Richard Deloshwan to Morocco,
34:55
Speaker 9: where they stayed in the seven thousand a night riodd
34:58
Speaker 9: in outside Americash and at the end of the trip
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Speaker 9: she stuck her with the bill. She persuaded her to
35:05
Speaker 9: put the entire show on her credit card and she
35:06
Speaker 9: would pay her back. So those were the two main
35:09
Speaker 9: counts she was acquitted on and then she was convicted
35:14
Speaker 9: in she was convicted in the chartered plane incident.
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Speaker 1: Right, well, let me let that side. Canra Becca Eisenberg?
35:23
Speaker 1: The chartered plane incident? What was that?
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Speaker 9: So it was called Blade is the company, and she
35:31
Speaker 9: persuaded them to fly her without paying up front to
35:36
Speaker 9: a Berkshire Hathaway conference in Omaha and basically was like,
35:42
Speaker 9: I'll pay you later, and they thought she'd paid them
35:45
Speaker 9: later and she didn't. And that was about thirty five
35:47
Speaker 9: thousand dollars. It was a chartered flight.
35:49
Speaker 1: A chartered flight incident. Okay, so she ends up going
35:56
Speaker 1: to not just jail, but to wrike her. Is anybody
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Speaker 1: on the panel familiar with rikers? Okay?
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Speaker 14: Yeah, just my reputation.
36:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to go there unless you have
36:09
Speaker 1: to take a Listen to Anna Sorokan speaking to our
36:14
Speaker 1: friend Debora Roberts at ABC.
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Speaker 3: Dorekan says she's paid for her mistakes, her time behind bars,
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Speaker 3: including nineteen months in New York's infamous Writers Island, jailed,
36:24
Speaker 3: some of it in solitary confinement, you're being held in
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Speaker 3: Rikers one of the most frightening jails in the country.
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Speaker 1: What was that like for you? Were you terrified in a.
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Speaker 5: Way that was therapeutic?
36:38
Speaker 1: I mean it's a therapeutic I.
36:40
Speaker 5: For example, use the time, like to read a lot
36:42
Speaker 5: and to write.
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Speaker 3: You've heard that, you've said that it's the prison's kind
36:45
Speaker 3: of a waste of time.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, taking a person, straping them off everything, putting them
36:51
Speaker 5: somewhere where they have pretty much very few opportunities to rehabilitate.
36:56
Speaker 5: So how is this supposed to help someone who already
36:59
Speaker 5: had to reach to life of crime?
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Speaker 1: And that tells me right there that Anna Delvy aka
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Speaker 1: Anna Sorokan learned nothing from our time behind bars, Wendy
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Speaker 1: Patrick nothing.
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Speaker 4: It also tells us that she is admitting that she
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Speaker 4: resorted to a life of crime, which contradicts everything she
37:17
Speaker 4: said before the trial and even in some interviews after
37:20
Speaker 4: the trial. She knew because she wasn't working, as you
37:23
Speaker 4: pointed out several times, there was no way she was
37:26
Speaker 4: going to be able to repay these loans. But sitting
37:28
Speaker 4: through the trial, sitting.
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Speaker 14: In Riker's Island prison therapeutic.
37:32
Speaker 4: You have to wonder whether she received special treatment. We
37:35
Speaker 4: don't know one way or the other, but it is
37:37
Speaker 4: very interesting that her attitude apparently hasn't changed.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure she got special treatment because she had managed
37:44
Speaker 1: to convince everyone that she was a celebrity that deserves
37:47
Speaker 1: special treatment, you know, Rebecca Rosenberg. I'm not sure I
37:50
Speaker 1: understand the not guilty on the sixty grand she ripped
37:55
Speaker 1: off from Rachel Delighth Williams. What was the jerry's thinking.
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Speaker 9: Well, I spoke to a couple full of jurors after
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Speaker 9: the verdict and they kind of felt that in the end,
38:04
Speaker 9: Rachel came out ahead, even though it was this like
38:07
Speaker 9: really stressful situation for her where she had put the
38:12
Speaker 9: payment for this trip on her work visa card and
38:17
Speaker 9: just you know, it was a sum of money that
38:19
Speaker 9: was greater than what she earned.
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Speaker 1: As a salary.
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Speaker 10: But eventually, you know, she did.
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Speaker 9: She did end up with I think her book advance
38:30
Speaker 9: was three hundred thousand dollars. I don't know what she
38:32
Speaker 9: got paid from HBO. So I think that they just
38:35
Speaker 9: didn't feel that bad for her.
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Speaker 1: But why because why do they not feel bad for
38:40
Speaker 1: Rachel Williams.
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Speaker 9: Because she was also using Anna Soroken. You could say
38:45
Speaker 9: like she, you know, it's sort of weird, like she's
38:47
Speaker 9: going out with Anna all the time, and Anna it's
38:49
Speaker 9: always paying for absolutely everything. You know, I personally wouldn't
38:55
Speaker 9: feel that comfortable if I was going out with somebody,
38:59
Speaker 9: even if they were much wealthier than me, with them
39:01
Speaker 9: flitting the bill every time. So I think that was
39:04
Speaker 9: kind of their reasoning.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what happens immediately when she walks
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Speaker 1: out from behind bars ar cut fourteen, Inside edition.
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Speaker 3: If you walked out of prison a free woman, high
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Speaker 3: on a it was the first thing you did that.
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Speaker 5: Brought me my phone, So I got on social media.
39:22
Speaker 6: She came out of prison and immediately sat down to
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Speaker 6: do this interview with us, and immediately went on social
39:28
Speaker 6: media and immediately started to resume kind of a glamorous life.
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Speaker 1: So the first thing she does is on social media.
39:37
Speaker 1: What does that tell you, doctor Rockwell, the same thing.
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Speaker 14: And tell of you, doctor Gray, that she didn't feel
39:43
Speaker 14: all bad about one thing through this entire event, that
39:47
Speaker 14: there's a lack of conscience, and that she was loving
39:51
Speaker 14: the spotlight and she couldn't wait to get back into it.
39:54
Speaker 14: As I say, it's an addiction. It makes the hormones
39:58
Speaker 14: flash in your mind, you have do fan. Your brain
40:01
Speaker 14: comes alive with your own image, and you love it,
40:05
Speaker 14: you salivate over it. And that's what happened to Panna Sorkin.
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Speaker 1: Jim Ellis certified Fraught Examiner, are now with his own
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Speaker 1: firm JKE Texas dot Com. Jim shopaholics or people that
40:18
Speaker 1: get a thrill out of buying things. I think Anna
40:22
Speaker 1: Sorokan aka n Anna Delvey got a thrill of some
40:27
Speaker 1: sort of this fake life she was leading. Do you
40:32
Speaker 1: think someone like her can turn over a new leaf
40:37
Speaker 1: or is this just who she is?
40:39
Speaker 10: Well, that's a good question. I mean, I always hope
40:42
Speaker 10: I did.
40:42
Speaker 1: Say what you hope. Jim Ellis, you investigated so many
40:47
Speaker 1: con guys, what do you think they don't stop?
40:51
Speaker 10: I mean, as you pointed out, she immediately got back
40:55
Speaker 10: on social media. And I agree with doctor Rockwell that
40:59
Speaker 10: it was for the endorphin rush of getting that hit,
41:03
Speaker 10: of getting that fame and putting out that projection. But
41:06
Speaker 10: I think it's also a certain aspect that is rebuilding
41:11
Speaker 10: her stature so that she can now see where she
41:16
Speaker 10: can get her next meal ticket from. But who in
41:20
Speaker 10: the right mind would want to work with somebody that
41:24
Speaker 10: just got out of prison for defrauding hundreds of thousands
41:29
Speaker 10: of dollars from the people she was closest to.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, this woman apparently has no shame. Instead of
41:42
Speaker 1: trying to pay back her victims, she's whining about her
41:47
Speaker 1: bedazzled ankle monitor. Well, with this woman, it never ends.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,