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- Don: Good. We lost. JRD: Was it good? MAS: Yay. Don: Alright, let's get right into it. It's a lot a lot of talk's been going on in the sports world, mainly the WNBA dealing with transgender athletes. So my question for you guys is, should transgender women, meaning born a man, be able to join the WMBA? And then how should the league like police start? MAS: Can I I just l I wanna go first. I got JRD: Okay. MAS: two I feel like if I can I have two answers. The first answer is no. Because I just think it sets a slippery slope and then as soon as one sport wants to do it, another one's gonna wanna do it and it's just not gonna have like a good outcome in all the sports. I think there's some sports that can have like not a good outcome but a fair outcome. but I'll Don: But we're mainly talking about just the W. MAS: Yeah. Then I guess I think that I guess I don't see the problem with it. My gut says I don't see a problem with it. I just think but that comes from a point of like that's the equality to some extent that that sport like encourages. So they're for diversity in that you know, standpoint. So wherever they want to draw that line is up to them. So I think yeah. You know, it's it's JRD: Okay. I'm gonna be honest, you First I'm gonna say is you know, like be who you want to be, you know, do what you want to do 100 % But we have to understand there's a difference between like someone's sex and someone's like gender gender I agree dinner's a social construct. It's changes all the time, you know in some cultures like Native American culture They didn't even have a separation of them male and female. get that. But when you're talking about a contact sport, things that are physical, you have to talk about biology. And like anyone knows, men are physically stronger than women just based off our hormones, you know? And I feel like it will be dangerous to allow like men to play in the WNBA. Don: We're not allowing men. We're allowing we're allowing transgender women. JRD: My apologies. think Allowing biological man, I'm talking from a sexual point of view not gender. So if you born with testes Yeah, MAS: Yeah. Yeah. Just hypothetical. Yeah. JRD: come on testes You're a man if you have MAS: I'll allow it. JRD: Yeah, every half a loping to your woman. I'm talking from that standpoint not gender. I mean, I'm not gender. There's a social contract That's why it's called transgender and that trans sex Don: Mm-hmm. Okay. JRD: So because of that, from a biological standpoint, it puts them at an unfair advantage. And I feel eventually, if you're at an unfair advantage, the people that are at an unfair advantage will start dominating that sport. Now, like, know, like, of course, there's gonna be some biological women that will still be able to compete at the level as a biological man, but I feel in the long run, Like Miguel said, it's slippery slope and I feel eventually it will, I feel we know who's going to take over the sport. That's just MAS: Yeah. JRD: the way I feel. Don: Can I actually this? Can I ask you this? There's I feel like there's not that many transgender people that can play at a professional level, especially in the WNBA level. So like when we say it's gonna be a slippery slope, but JRD: Yeah, but yeah, that's my point. Like, who's to say like, you're transgender or you're not transgender, that starts creating problems that, you can't tell, as I said previously, you can't tell someone. MAS: And it's cancer. JRD: Yeah, from from a gender standpoint, you can't tell someone what's their gender. You can't do that. As a social construct, if they feel they're this, then they are that. Whereas it comes from a sexual standpoint. That's biology. You can argue that. You can say, you know, that's why it's called sex change reassignment and you have to do surgeries to change it. Whereas if you feel you're in the wrong gender, just can say like, you know, I want you my pronouns are he, him, my pronouns are Zed, my pronouns are they, And I feel in society, we do have to respect that. But at the same time, we can't ignore science. Like, you know, Don: Okay. JRD: there's testosterone, there's estrogen. One gives you more muscles, one gives you less, one gives you better skin, one doesn't. Like you know, it is what it is. Don: It is what it is. MAS: No. Don: I think fuck it, why not? 'Cause like I said earlier, I don't think allowing transgenders to play WBA is gonna be an influx of transgender professional athletes. I don't think that's gonna JRD: No. Don: increase the number of professional athletes. I think those seven of in the world that wanna play in WNBA will probably try out, probably make it. He's definitely joking. And his canner is definitely joking. And his freedom. JRD: You think Ernest Kanner was joking? You think Ernest Kanner was joking? What if he does? What are they allowed? There's Lupo. There's a... Don: But he's not a transgender. So just saying I identify as a woman is not enough. There's gonna have to be MAS: Yeah. Don: some type of repercussion or some type of threshold. But they can. It's their league. If they're allowing it, Josh, listen, listen, listen. If they are allowing it, if the league. JRD: You see and that's the point you can't do you can't do that. That's what I'm saying. Like that. No, no, you have to be logical. I hear what you're saying. I have to be logical from MAS: Does it become discrimination at that point? JRD: a legal standpoint. You cannot do that. It will be an outrage. I'm telling you, I agree with you, but you Don: Josh, Josh, Josh. JRD: have to look at it legally. They can't just do that. But that largely they can say, no. Yeah, you can't do Don: It Yes they can. It's their league. MAS: Like you're saying you're trying to say you're trying to draw like qualifications on what it means to be transgender that you can't go. JRD: that. Don: If they can say JRD: Okay. Don: if they say we're gonna allow this to happen, but we're gonna have some type of blockage where it to a level where you need to be, like if you're if you're legit a transgender and you're c fully transitioning into a woman. And they allow that to happen, then yes, you can do it. You can't join the league if you're just saying, and it's freedom. He's I I identify as a woman. That's not enough. That's not enough. If you are in the process, if you're in a process, you've gotten surgery, you've taken multiple surgeries, you take the appropriate medicine, and you're showing that you're making the effort to transition fully into the next gender, then I me personally, regardless of legal standpoint, are obviously it's not gonna happen. This is just for argument's sake. Obviously, it's not gonna happen. JRD: That's just... That's just... Okay. Okay. Okay. Don: But me personally, I think they should allow to do it because I think that would just skyrocket the viewership. Because one, this season's probably the most popular season the WNBA has ever had. Because we got what we got Aiden scandals, we got black versus white with Caitlin Clark and Sophie Cunningham against DJ Carrington and all that shit. JRD: Magic and Bird. Don: She's talking about white privilege and shit. We got that going JRD: and Don: on. We got the Sophie Cunningham pointing meme. Like, this is the most popular season they ever had. And I I I'm a fan of the W. So I watch that shit occasionally. But you're JRD: chords. Don: not gonna tell me. And we got Joanna Man lacing up, playing against Asia Wilson. We're not about to fill up. They're already filling out stadiums right now. They're breaking records But you're JRD: Mm-hmm. Don: not gonna tell me, people ain't gonna be tuning into that. The first transgender doing tip-off. Come on, man. JRD: Mm-hmm They will 100 % they will but we Don: Come on, man. JRD: have to Here's an item room This is a different sport, but I'm just saying like, you know, they're kind of connected I was watching something about like UFC and they were talking about like early fighters and there was this fighter called Chuck Liddell the Iceman You know as Joe Rogan and they were talking about, yeah, we have to take control of these fighters because it gets to a point where we have to protect them and tell them no. Like you're finding Pastor Prime, he still want to get a fight and you're fighting for Flogory. That's just going to hurt yourself in the long run. And I'm comparing that to allowing transgenders into the WNBA. We have to as a society, protect people, protect their athletes and the. Don: This is not a combat sport, bro. JRD: I know it's not a common sport. Again, that's MAS: Yeah, he yeah, he just means JRD: where I was man and man. I'm talking about physical capability. Don: Yeah. MAS: He just speaking for the women like in the high schools that are like getting beat by the transgender men or women who just make it not fair. And see Yeah. I I agree JRD: Yes. Yes. Yes. what happened? It's having with Texas that girl that wrestle. Yeah. Remember. MAS: with that. But then I think people also counter argue it's like, well, no one's saying we're gonna bring the top transgender women into the sport. Like you can find a man who wants to be a woman who's not the best athlete but still wants to play at a professional JRD: But no, that's no MAS: level. JRD: That's the point that guy that won like I think two state champions I'm sorry that what that transgender woman that won like two state championships when before she transitioned She was ass She couldn't compete she Don: If watch a transition. JRD: was she would yes. She was buns before she transitioned she transitions she becomes Don: So what? She transitioned and then she got better. JRD: no she Don: So what? Do you wanna get better at the sport transition? You do it. Y your point is that a small percentage JRD: That's my point! That's my point! Like, like- Don: of people will actually transition to be better at a sport, let do it. Fuck it. That's their choice. That's not gonna happen though. People aren't gonna do it when W like I said JRD: No, no like It did like it literally did like it literally did every like MAS: Yeah. JRD: literally did like there's so many stories soon as like they had a little bit of like in the high Collegiate Don: Lese. JRD: level in the high school of it literally happened like for the point people were protesting MAS: Yeah, the stories are out there, bruh. Don: I fly it's not worth it. JRD: Yeah, that's so much. There's out there. It's like I think you're being naive and you're saying people won't take advantage of it There's a whole MAS: No, it's we're we're just Don: Let them I'm saying MAS: he we're just up to the chance, bruh. Don: that's such a drastic that's such a drastic thing to take advantage of. If they're gonna go that far, that that extent to be good at that sport, let do it. That's not I still think they'll be the best MAS: See. And I I also JRD: I'm not bullet. MAS: I also agree with the argument of just like letting it happen just so that that statement that that debate can finally be put to an end in the sense that Don: Like this is just out of control. JRD: and MAS: you're just at a point that it's clear that there is that gap in physical abilities and all that. but like you said, and I'm also down to gain viewers for them, like and get the money up. Like, you know, no one say they can Don: shit. MAS: do it and then I guess how would they feel about that if they are do it and then try and take it out later. That does that ruin and something you can't go back on? Don: I think if if they do it and it showcases what you guys are arguing, like this is like not fair, they're dominating the sport or whatever, then it's clear they have to take it out 'cause obviously that's a b like it's JRD: brother, me once you MAS: As a business JRD: start doing that it's like hold on now hold on now Is Don: Josh, it's literally a private MAS: That's gonna bring down the viewers, bruh. JRD: the no no, not there's like hold on now. like then this approach now was discrimination once you open the gates No, once you open the gates Exactly. That's the point. MAS: That's that's what I'm saying. Don: No, it's not. Because it's are they already not allowed to do it. So th you letting them do it in the first place. JRD: That's the point. That's why it's not discrimination right now. It's There's no long there's no line drama descent is what it is But as soon as you start saying all like well this can happen The floodgates are open and then that's how they're gonna start saying it's discrimination at that point and you let someone happen and take it away because they're being too good at it That's a definition of discrimination You just said Don: So JRD: if they get too good, we're gonna discriminate against them so they can't play anymore Don: You know what you guys think about it like this. What you guys are arguing is kinda like what they were arguing before they let Negroes play in a MLB or the the normal league. Right before they canceled the Negro League. This is what they were saying. If we let them black JRD: They didn't think were better athletic. They didn't think- Don: dudes take it and they run faster than all of us. Same thing. Same thing. JRD: No, no, no, that's just it afterwards see like it's no historically they were saying they thought black people were inferior they were like Black people are inferior. They're not gonna be as good as whites like, you know, they're subhuman They're silver than us and then you're strong Okay, okay. Okay Don: I'm I'm just trolling, bro. I'm just trolling, bro. Yeah. God damn. Find a troll. Like I said, I MAS: Yeah. I think you can keep going. No, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I just Don: think I did this shit allowed. I just wanna see I wanna see what happens. I'm interested. JRD: No, I get that. I have the same testament for the use of steroids low-key. Like, you know, making legal Don: no, that's different. I don't know if I can do that. JRD: anyone can take it. I want to see people get them bumped. The only reason I have their argument because they did the steroid games with average athletes and they didn't get that much better. They didn't get that much better. They didn't break it, work it and stuff like that. I feel you already got to be good. They are. They are. Don: Say the same thing about the transgenders. They might not be that much better. Like if the tr no, in basketball? In basketball? MAS: He said they are JRD: If that's politically incorrect, I'm sorry. They're gonna be better. From what I've seen, most of them are better. Every sport I've heard... Don: Have you seen the transgender hoop? JRD: Yeah. Not hoop, but any other sport. I was always out there, wrestling. MAS: Yeah, like you said, the stories are out there, bruh. Like Don: I'm talking about WMBA. I'm not talking I'm not talking about any other sports. Like I seen the volleyball girl from San Jose State. She was dominating. She was good. I'm talking about basketball only, WNBA. I haven't seen any dominant transgender JRD: and re- it hasn't happened yet. Don: hooper. JRD: But you can- you can infer from other stuff, you know? You- you know that. We're all intelligent here. You can infer from other examples of other sports. Don: Different sport. It's a different sport. Different sport. I think because there's a lot of you gotta think about it. I know there's a lot of adult leagues out there that are co-ed. Women can play with the men. JRD: I get- in tennis they had that, battle of the sexes. I think it Billie Jean King or somebody else. I get that. I'm saying Don: Okay, and I translators will play tennis too. Sports that can play JRD: there was a whole thing called Billie Jean King against some other guy. She got dominated by the way. But that doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. So it's happened before. I agree. I'm talking about a physical sport. Don: I feel like you guys are looking at basketball the same way you would look at a combat sport. JRD: I- I- No, I'm MAS: Yeah. JRD: saying a physical sport like a basket- Basketball, baseball. There's a reason why they changed to softball. I don't know. But golf? I think golf's fine. 100 % Golf can be same gin and why not? Don: See, slippery slope. Where do you draw the line? Where do you draw the line? I'd rather them play in the JRD: I'm saying if, MAS: No glow cause that Don: basketball league over volleyball. JRD: That's a crazy take. MAS: Basketball over volleyball. Na I feel like they're damn near even. It's just jumping and then like just JRD: Exactly. Yeah, I would say basketball is worse. What if Yannis... What if someone as Don: Is it? It takes a little bit more skill. Like volleyball relies more on physical physical proudness more than basketball does. MAS: Height and height matters. JRD: big as Yannis was a transgender and they want a fast break? Don: That little one percent of that transgender that wants to be a woman that's the honest size, well. JRD: Understand the 1 % MAS: But every but that percentage is gonna grow, bruh. It's gonna JRD: But no, Don: It's not JRD: but you understand we're talking Don: gonna grow. JRD: about professional athletes is always the 1 % the women that Don: Bro. JRD: make the WNBA are the 1 % so that means the 1 % of athletic transgenders are gonna make the WNBA Don: So like Michael Magic Johnson's son, he transitions over to a woman, he gets JRD: Yeah. Don: MVP and a WNBA. MAS: I mean D Wade's time JRD: and MAS: make a super team. Don: No, it's not happening. 'Cause they still gotta be good at the sport, bro. And I think just because JRD: Yeah. Don: you are a man doesn't make you automatically better than a woman. JRD: I didn't say that. Don: You could be you could be physically more stronger. That's why the guards are usually more skilled than the big guys, because JRD: It puts them at a I didn't say anything but I said it puts them at a disadvantage You can be at a disadvantage and still win That's why there's so Don: If the players don't mind it. JRD: many underdog stories. You can be at a disadvantage and still win But I don't think they Don: Players aren't complaining about it. JRD: should be on a magnificent vanish to start off with that's the only that's my only caveat Don: Bro, Giannis being six, ten or whatever. He's already had a physical advantage than everybody else in the world. There's physical disadvantages everywhere, bro. Sorry. Every sport has them. JRD: That's not a disadvantage. That's different. No, that's different. That's different. different. That's completely, you know it's different. Come on, JD. You know what I'm trying to say. Don't do that. You know it's different. Don: Physical dis disadvantage. JRD: What was that? Don: Physical disadvantage, same thing. JRD: No, no, I'm talking about biology. Extrogen testosterone, that's what we're talking about. puts you at a, it puts people that have higher estrogen levels at a disadvantage. Don: So basically what it comes down to, would you watch that shit if it were to happen? JRD: 100 % Don: 'Cause you don't watch it now. So yes. MAS: Yeah, we're we're all tuning in, the whole world's tuning in. Don: Yeah, exactly. So yes, we should do it. The hack box the hack box JRD: gonna have a party Don: supports transgenders in the WNBA. MAS: Long story short, yep. JRD: I guess so. I'm Don: Basically, bruh, 'cause we here for it. We're here for the drama. MAS: We're here for it. Exactly. JRD: not gonna protest against it, that's for sure. Don: All right,