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Golden Retriever Energy · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: What's up friends?
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  Speaker 3: Well, today we have a very special episode of the
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  Speaker 3: Almost Famous podcast. We're gonna be breaking down episode three
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  Speaker 3: of gen season. Obviously, as we mentioned last week, Ashley
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  Speaker 3: is not with us because well she's becoming a mom
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  Speaker 3: of two, and so we have a very special guest host,
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  Speaker 3: Rachel will be joining us. But before we bring Rachel in,
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  Speaker 3: I just wanted to take a second, you know, almost
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  Speaker 3: famous to almost famous, to talk about this wild thing
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  Speaker 3: that the Bachelor did. Prepping for tonight's episode. They posted
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  Speaker 3: this on the Bachelorette Abc Instagram. Now it's just a
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  Speaker 3: black screen with these words on it, and I'll read
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  Speaker 3: them to.
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  Speaker 2: You, says.
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  Speaker 3: Tonight's episode of The Bachelorette contains images of a graphic nature,
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  Speaker 3: including scantily clad men thrusting and gy rating. If you
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  Speaker 3: have a weak heart or raging libido, viewer discretion is advised. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I sometimes a'm all. Oftentimes I'm very confused that what
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  Speaker 3: the show is doing and why they're doing what they're doing.
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  Speaker 3: This is one of those moments for me. I'm reading
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  Speaker 3: the comments below this Instagram post, and one of the
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  Speaker 3: comments says, this is gross. It's not cool when you
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  Speaker 3: objectify the women, but it's also not cool to do
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  Speaker 3: it to the men. Maybe the talent show can be
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  Speaker 3: like cooking or fixing a toilet or finding things at
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  Speaker 3: the grocery store. Somebody else says, I'm choosing to believe
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  Speaker 3: this was posted solely for Yoseph if you remember the
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  Speaker 3: Josef reference, because he said he wouldn't do some things
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  Speaker 3: because his daughter's watching. And finally, another comment says, sorry,
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  Speaker 3: but nothing about these.
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  Speaker 2: Men is steamy.
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  Speaker 3: I wish they had picked better options for Jen. Well,
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  Speaker 3: no matter who they picked for Jen, ABC is telling
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  Speaker 3: us that tonight's episode is going to be a little weird,
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  Speaker 3: a little awkward. Post makes it more awkward. They could
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  Speaker 3: have just said viewer discretion advised. I think that was
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  Speaker 3: actually very fair. This is this, this whole date feels
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  Speaker 3: like it should have a viewer discretion advisory to it.
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  Speaker 3: But the way they did it on their Instagram and
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  Speaker 3: saying if you, you know, have a raging libido or
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  Speaker 3: you have a weak heart, come on, that just just
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  Speaker 3: makes things weird. Well, hey, anyways, let's jump into the
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  Speaker 3: episode breakdown. We'll talk more about this day. Trust me,
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  Speaker 3: there's really no viewer discretion advisory on this podcast because
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  Speaker 3: it's just our voices, no pictures included. So Rachel, as promised,
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  Speaker 3: is joining us the Bachelor out of all Bachelor, It's Rachel,
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 5: Ben so excited to be here and so excited for Ashley.
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  Speaker 5: I cannot wait for Dawson to get a little brother.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be It's like a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: I just texted her and said, I'm thinking about you
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  Speaker 3: today and I have been because here's what's crazy to me,
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  Speaker 3: and I'll i'll say it to her face when she's back,
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  Speaker 3: and I meant to say it to her last week
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  Speaker 3: when she you know, the first time she was pregnant,
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  Speaker 3: she was stressed out. There's a lot of anxiety. She's
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  Speaker 3: feeling terrible. She's really nervous. I'm telling you, like, for
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  Speaker 3: this second pregnancy, you would never have known she was
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  Speaker 3: pregnant unless you were around her. She was so chill,
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  Speaker 3: so like felt pretty good. Kind of just rolled into
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  Speaker 3: today like yeah, I'm gonna have a baby today. We're
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  Speaker 3: gonna figure out.
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  Speaker 2: It makes it.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: It gives me some confidence for my future hopefully when
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  Speaker 3: kids come into play that you know, the first is
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  Speaker 3: like the craziest thing ever.
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  Speaker 2: In the second you're like, I can do this. This
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  Speaker 2: is easy, not mean.
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  Speaker 4: Now I forgot that.
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  Speaker 5: She was like do all of a sudden, they were like, Rachel,
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  Speaker 5: can you feel And I'm like, oh my gosh, she's
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  Speaker 5: having a baby.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 5: It feels like it just happened crazy. It's so exciting.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm really pumped that you're here with us. It
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  Speaker 3: is a gift to always talk to you, to catch
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  Speaker 3: up with you. For anybody listening wondering what has been
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  Speaker 3: going on in your world. Any updates that you would
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  Speaker 3: want to share with our listening audience.
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  Speaker 5: Not too many updates, but I have had a lot
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  Speaker 5: of time to catch up on reality TV. I've been
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  Speaker 5: sick for the past two months. We're recovering, so hopefully
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  Speaker 5: getting over that soon. But super super excited to get
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  Speaker 5: into this. I took some notes. I'm actually really excited
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  Speaker 5: for us to talk about this together. Yeah, we've both
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  Speaker 5: been on both sides, so I'm excited to see This
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  Speaker 5: season has been really interesting to me. I really like
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  Speaker 5: jenn as a lead, but the guys have.
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  Speaker 6: Been really interesting as well, So I'm excited to see
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  Speaker 6: your take.
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  Speaker 3: Let's dive in, but let's start here then. I'm hoping
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  Speaker 3: you're with us for a few episodes. I mean, Ashley,
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  Speaker 3: I always love having her here, but there's a few
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  Speaker 3: episodes that I just am really excited to have you
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  Speaker 3: with the almost famous good almost good advice is what
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  Speaker 3: we call it. That would be a segment I'd be
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  Speaker 3: really excited to hear your advice on obviously breaking down
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  Speaker 3: the Bachelorette, some the headlines that are going to be
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  Speaker 3: coming out here in the next week. So you will
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  Speaker 3: be with us for as long as Ashley is out,
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  Speaker 3: and we just don't know how long that's gonna be yet.
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  Speaker 3: But to get us started with it comes to this
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  Speaker 3: week's episode. Leading up to this is episode three. What
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  Speaker 3: has been your overall opinions so far, So let's start
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  Speaker 3: with Jin. What are your opinions on Jin as the
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  Speaker 3: bachelorette up to this point.
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  Speaker 5: I was really really excited when she got announced.
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  Speaker 6: I was there. I think she is.
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  Speaker 4: Such a fun lead.
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  Speaker 5: I think she doesn't take things too seriously, but you
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  Speaker 5: could tell she's really there and really wanting to make
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  Speaker 5: a connection. But watching her, It's just been really really interesting.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like she's different than a lot of leads
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  Speaker 5: we've had.
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  Speaker 6: Recently, and what way, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: She just feels like she brings this like youthfulness, this
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  Speaker 5: like fun. It's like when you're watching her, it's not
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  Speaker 5: like taken super super seriously, but in a good way.
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  Speaker 6: Do you feel the same.
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 3: She's like a mix between Jojo, who also tried to
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  Speaker 3: have as much fun with it as possible.
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  Speaker 2: I remember an interview.
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  Speaker 3: Where she said this was so much fun, and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, you're crazy. This was never fun to me,
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  Speaker 3: and she's like it was fun. You just got to
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  Speaker 3: allowed to be fun.
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  Speaker 4: I can't really.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, I did not enjoy this.
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  Speaker 3: She's a mix between Jojo, I think, and a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of like a Caitlin, where I think actually she
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  Speaker 3: has a little bit more of like a.
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  Speaker 2: A wild side than what maybe we're able to see.
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  Speaker 3: Like she create is down for adventure, she's down to
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  Speaker 3: make these guys maybe a little uncomfortable, which Caitlyn was
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  Speaker 3: always down for, yeah, push.
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  Speaker 2: The limits a little bit. And so I do think
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  Speaker 2: she's a mix of those two in my at least
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  Speaker 2: from my perspective.
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  Speaker 5: I do see Caitlyn now that you said that, and
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  Speaker 5: then tonight like she was really spicy tonight, Like I
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  Speaker 5: guess this is the first episode I watched her like
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  Speaker 5: have that switch, like flip and she freaks out and
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  Speaker 5: just a little bit like she should. But I was like,
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know she had that side of hers. So
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  Speaker 5: I was like, I liked it when I saw it
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  Speaker 5: tonight she kind of put them in their place.
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  Speaker 6: We'll get into that.
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  Speaker 3: She definitely Okay, now we'll turn to this point the season.
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  Speaker 3: Your thoughts on the guys so.
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  Speaker 6: Being so, I'm gonna be honest, you should be.
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  Speaker 5: The first two episodes, I was like, I don't have
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  Speaker 5: a single guy here that I like. I was like
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  Speaker 5: on the fence a little bit with a couple, but
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  Speaker 5: I was like, these guys are so lackluster to me.
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  Speaker 5: Third episode, I'm seeing it a little more and I like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm on board now and I see some guys that
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  Speaker 5: I really really like now and then still some guys
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  Speaker 5: that I hate but not I hate, dislike.
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  Speaker 2: Wouldn't be into.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So if you were the Bachelor at this point,
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  Speaker 3: if you're a gin, are you saying you like them?
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  Speaker 3: In terms of, hey, they're better than the rest or
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  Speaker 3: if I was the Bachelor, this would these would be
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  Speaker 3: guys I would actually be into, like interested in.
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  Speaker 5: I think by episode three there are guys that I'm
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  Speaker 5: seeing that I really liked the qualities and I could
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  Speaker 5: definitely see myself dating, Whereas like two episodes ago, I
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  Speaker 5: was like, where did they find these guys? Like this
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  Speaker 5: is like going so bad, this is like who's she
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  Speaker 5: going to pick? But we're getting to know them a
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  Speaker 5: little more. I'm getting a little more comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: I still would not claim that this cast of guys
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  Speaker 3: blows my mind. I think Jin has been fantastic. I
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  Speaker 3: think she is great. I think a lot of these
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  Speaker 3: guys to me, are a little hard to watch at times.
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  Speaker 3: I think, little cringe, a little cringe. They're kind of
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  Speaker 3: just like a little awkward, which can be, you know,
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  Speaker 3: endearing at some level, but at the same time, it
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  Speaker 3: can also be kind of a turn off. And and
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  Speaker 3: so we'll have to see how that kind of plays
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  Speaker 3: out and if these guys ever get comfortable in their
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  Speaker 3: own skin. But there are a few that I still
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  Speaker 3: don't know enough about. I'm thinking Jonathan, I'm thinking Marcus,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's Dylan is his name?
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  Speaker 6: Those are my favorite so far.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think those three still have potential to be like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: you got your three out of the thirty and that's
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  Speaker 3: about what happens every season, and that's all you needed.
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  Speaker 3: It just happened to be that the other supporting cast
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  Speaker 3: was so off that these three never really shine because
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  Speaker 3: they all kind of get mixed together. So those three
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  Speaker 3: are standing out to me right now.
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  Speaker 6: I think Grant could be up there too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He I'm having a hard time with Grant because he
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  Speaker 3: and sam M were so similar on Night one, with
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  Speaker 3: like the words they were saying and the way they
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  Speaker 3: were talking to her and kind of her connection to
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  Speaker 3: them that I think I'm still kind of grouping them
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  Speaker 3: together as like the same, you know, type of personality.
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  Speaker 3: I want to see Grant like take his guard down
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  Speaker 3: a little bit and just like be an actual human
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  Speaker 3: and like not try to say the right lines at
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  Speaker 3: the right time and the right way, and then I
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  Speaker 3: think he could jump there. He hasn't anything wrong yet.
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  Speaker 3: I just haven't seen him actually like converse more than
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  Speaker 3: I haven't seen Samm converse. He just says all these
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  Speaker 3: like really like sexual things and she's into it right now,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's I don't know how to feel, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Sam and Sam m is the first impression Rose.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, he reminds me so much of Johnny from our season,
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  Speaker 5: the way he acts and the way he talks. I
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  Speaker 5: literally told Johnny and like, he's your evil twins. So
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  Speaker 5: every time I see him on screen, I just can't
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  Speaker 5: think about anything else.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good mix. Astley calls him sham Booth
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  Speaker 3: look alike.
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  Speaker 6: He looks like Sean too.
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  Speaker 2: He might look like everybody.
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  Speaker 5: He's like in the AI generated one Bachelor contestant.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the men are in Melbourne with Jim Ben Melton.
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  Speaker 3: How are they say in it Melbyn Melboyn? Is that
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  Speaker 3: the proper to say? Is that why this has been
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  Speaker 3: such an emphasis.
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  Speaker 6: I think that's how the Australians with the accent.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Melbourne, Melboyn, Milbourne. They're in Melbourne, Australia. Here in
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  Speaker 3: Indiana and Denver we call it Melbourne. Also, the group
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  Speaker 3: is going to be here for a little bit longer
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  Speaker 3: than expected. They're going to be there for a few weeks.
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  Speaker 3: They're excited about this. I mean, they're not in a mansion.
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  Speaker 3: They're in a brand new place, a brand new country,
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  Speaker 3: doing incredible things. We kick this episode off kind of
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  Speaker 3: reliving the drama that existed lap last episode. We're kind
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  Speaker 3: of now moving it into this episode as well. Rachel,
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  Speaker 3: take it away from here. I want to hear your thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: You do have your notes, and your opinions are going
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  Speaker 3: to be so warranted and listened to by me, because
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  Speaker 3: I know you have strong opinions on this.
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  Speaker 5: I do so my first little note I just wrote,
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  Speaker 5: Thomas and Devon are giving me the ck hmmm. I
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  Speaker 5: last episode was not a fan of either of them,
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  Speaker 5: but I think there's something about Devon that really throws
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  Speaker 5: up red flag to me because he reminds me a
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  Speaker 5: lot of Tino and this like winner mindset and this
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  Speaker 5: that's my wife, Like this is week two you're telling
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  Speaker 5: other guys like it just is giving the same sort
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  Speaker 5: of vibe for me. So I think that's where I
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  Speaker 5: was coming from, And just this sense of confidence that
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  Speaker 5: he's throwing around. I feel like that's what's really getting
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  Speaker 5: under the guy's skin. But I think at this point
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  Speaker 5: I'm over both Thomas and Devin a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Well, how are you feeling.
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  Speaker 2: The Devin thing's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I am actually I think Devin took a step forward
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  Speaker 3: for me this week more than last week. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think he's the right one for Jin. I also don't
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  Speaker 3: think he is the easiest dude to get along with
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  Speaker 3: because of how vocal he is, because of how much
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  Speaker 3: confidence he kind of wants to portray and kind of communicate.
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  Speaker 3: But last week he was more annoying to me, Like
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  Speaker 3: there was moments where I was like devn back down,
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  Speaker 3: like what are you doing? This is crazy, Like you're
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  Speaker 3: going way too hard, way too fast.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Thomas last week kind of stepped in out of nowhere
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  Speaker 3: into the controversy. He stepped into the drama and it
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  Speaker 3: kind of came out of nowhere really at the end.
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  Speaker 3: If you remember when Jen is kind of at the
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  Speaker 3: cocktail party and all of a sudden, Thomas comes up
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  Speaker 3: and starts talking to Devin, and then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: we see Thomas as this character who is going to
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  Speaker 3: confront But it wasn't like a confrontation that was necessary
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  Speaker 3: or I felt like appropriate at that time. Here's why
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  Speaker 3: I think things are getting crazy from me. Usually on
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  Speaker 3: The Bachelor and Bachelorette, when there's controversy like this, I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to look at the one off scenario because
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  Speaker 3: we don't always see what's going on behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 3: I want to look at the entirety of the storyline.
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  Speaker 3: And so right now, I will say, if I had
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  Speaker 3: to pick a side, I'm on Devin's side, because Thomas
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  Speaker 3: continues to be this character to other people as well,
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  Speaker 3: Like he's not just doing this with Devon, as you
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  Speaker 3: see in the preview for the rest next couple episodes,
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  Speaker 3: as you kind of see through a little bit of this,
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  Speaker 3: he is continuing to get himself into the drama, and
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  Speaker 3: so I have to think that maybe Devin isn't the
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  Speaker 3: one at fault here, or he isn't the problem.
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  Speaker 4: I completely agree.
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  Speaker 6: I think Thomas is a bit of a bully.
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  Speaker 5: I think the way he was treating Sam this episode,
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  Speaker 5: I really, like you said, Devin did actually step up
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  Speaker 5: a little bit this episode when he was standing up
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  Speaker 5: for Sam.
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  Speaker 6: Was it Sam?
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  Speaker 2: Sam?
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  Speaker 6: And Sam ed yeah, and I was like, he really
• 14:47
  Speaker 6: stood up for him, and he was like, You're allowed
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  Speaker 6: to have those feelings.
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  Speaker 4: So that was really nice for me.
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  Speaker 5: But I also just feel like with Devin, I guess
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  Speaker 5: going in from last row ceremony. You can kind of
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  Speaker 5: tell the other guys don't really like him. So that's
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  Speaker 5: where it gives me pause. Whereas, Yeah, I feel like
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  Speaker 5: Thomas is definitely the issue, and he was the issue
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  Speaker 5: in that argument. I look around to the guys and
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  Speaker 5: why do they all kind of not like Devin? That
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  Speaker 5: says something to me. I want the guy I end
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  Speaker 5: up with to like get along with people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that feels like something that would be important.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder, Rachel, if Devin and Thomas are both gonna
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  Speaker 3: be those characters that play such a huge storyline these
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  Speaker 3: first like five weeks, and then we just forget about them,
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  Speaker 3: Like we never hear from him again, we never think
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  Speaker 3: about him. They don't play any part of the story
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  Speaker 3: long term, and they're here right now because one Thomas.
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  Speaker 2: Is just seems like easily irritated.
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  Speaker 3: And Devin is so confident that he's rubbing everybody the
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  Speaker 3: wrong way.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to fire up the group.
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  Speaker 3: And then they're both gonna be gone probably the same week,
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  Speaker 3: and it's kind of like we moved on never thinking
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 6: That's true.
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  Speaker 5: I could see them both kind of leaving mid season. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I don't solid before hometowns.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like they're gone and they make some uproar at
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  Speaker 3: the tell All Live show and we.
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  Speaker 4: Talked about their place on the beach.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, because it's coming.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't wait.
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  Speaker 3: So then we get into one on one Gin and Spencer, Spencer, Spencer,
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  Speaker 3: Spencer's Spencer's a tough one. I think Spencer is a
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  Speaker 3: super nice guy too.
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  Speaker 5: I wrote down Clark Kent. He's just so sweet. He
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: has the little glasses. I think Jen Cupp referring to
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: him like golden Retriever energy.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Is that what you want in a husband? Though?
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Does Golden retrie If if you're a girl explaining a
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: guy as a Golden Retriever, are you like actually into him?
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Are you just saying he's a fine?
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: Hang?
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: This is where I had some thought because then everyone
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: in this season they keep bringing up ferocious love.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: I want ferocious love.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: But when she's describing Spencer, it's giving safety.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: It's giving like safe choice.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: Even though he's great and it seems like they're having
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: a great time, I don't see that same spark that
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: I do when she's talking to let's say, like Sam
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: m or Devin, where you can like see it.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: What did you think, well, I think Spencer is probably
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: that golden retriever. I'm guessing he is a very nice guy.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: He seems like a very nice guy. He was so
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: excited to go on this day, so excited. It was
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: very very cute just how excited he got. I do
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: feel like he is is more nerdy than probably we
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: even see right now, Like he has some of those
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: like reaction actions to his excitement, and even when they're
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: in like the the helicopter, it doesn't necessarily exude to
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: me like sexiness.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: But he's cute.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: But he's cute.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: So here's my point. I'm not saying any of that
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: saying it's a bad thing. I'm saying some people are
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: really into that, Like I love you know, they love
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: the nerd, They love the nice guy, the guy that
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: they know is always just going to be so excited
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: when your husband and wife and the and the wife
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: comes home and says I want to go on a
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: date with you to night, and he.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Goes, yay, Yes, that's awesome. Like some people like that.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: Now, some people very much not attracted to it, or
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: they don't get attracted to it until later on in
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: life when they realize those are the guys that you
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: want to marry, and so I don't know about him yet.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: With her, I didn't. I didn't leave this date feeling
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: like the two of them or like an automatic lock long.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Term, but I don't.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I didn't also leave the date being like that guy
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: has so like so many problems, like he is not
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: going to be here very long, Like I could see
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: him being here for a while, I just don't think
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: he's the one.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: I think she kind of just sees him as like
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: the safe bet, like, oh, he could be, you know,
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: someone I bring home to meet my parents if I
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: don't really have a connection with anyone else. It kind
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: of feels like she'll keep him around until she starts
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: developing stronger connections, like if he didn't get a rose
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: on this one. And I honestly wouldn't have been that shocked,
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: because I mean I didn't see her connecting with him.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: I know he told the story about his ex fiance
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: and the cheating, so obviously it wouldn't have been the
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: right time probably for her to be like, oh, and
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: by the way, I don't see anything with us, Like
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: you said, I didn't really see it.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's nice, though.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: He's a nice guy. I'm with you.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I think that might be the best way to summarize
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: this one on one is I don't see it yet.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: It didn't convince me of anything. It kind of honestly
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: reminded me.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Of a Zach date was it with you that season
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: when you guys he kind of has the same energy,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: same kind of vibe.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I remember what the.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Two of you went and watched, like at a movie theater,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: You're the story playback of life, and it was very cute,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: it was very nice. It was like, this is a
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: good moment, But it wasn't the moment that solidified in
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: my mind that yes, this is going to be the
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: guy with her at the end.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: And I feel like jenn is just going to be
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: looking for someone that like matches that level that she's on. Yeah,
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: and I don't think it's going to be Spencer, No.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: I think she's going to pick someone exciting and like
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: the ferocious love or she keeps talking about that and
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: the Golden Retriever energy.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: I don't know if that is good.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Like you said, well, I'm going to compare it in
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: a bit.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: We're going to come back to this conversation then, because
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: what I want to do now with what you just
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: said is I want to compare the Golden Retriever energy
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: to her scene with sam m on a couch where
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: he she says, you even asked me to be your
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: girlfriend yet, and I want to hear We're not going
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: to talk about it yet, but I want to hear
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: what you think of that moment and what was actually
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: going on there.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I need a girl's perspective. This would be a moment
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: where I.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Ask my wife or I ask one of my girlfriends, like,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: what exactly was happening there, because in my mind I'm
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: kind of grossed out and I'm like, I don't know
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: why this is happening. I want to hear from a
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: girl's perspective what you think was happening. But before we
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: do that, we do have a flashback back to the
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: house at this moment where we still have Thomas and
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: we still have samm and we still have them upset.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: They don't like Devin. That's now very clear to all
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: of us. They don't like each other, yet they cannot
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: settle this. Like they're very honest with each other. I
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: got to give them all that they're telling each other,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: I don't like you, and as this person goes back
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: says I don't like you, and they say, great, We're
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: not gonna be friends right there. You think it would
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: end there, like as most groups of men function. If
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I was in a room where two dudes are like,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I don't like you, and the other guy goes, I
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: don't like you either, and I don't want to really
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: fight you, because that doesn't really do us any good.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I just want you to know I don't like you.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I would be sitting on that and being Okay, well
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: this is good enough and it's over. Actually, this is
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: a big step. They seem to can't get it. They
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: cannot get over it. They continue to want to go
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: back to the fact that they don't like each other.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: And I don't understand why.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: I feel like Devin just has this like he has
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: to have the last word and he has.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: To like get under their skin.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: And it just feels like Thomas and sam em just
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: have like a short views and it's like every little
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: thing that he says is like setting them off. But yeah,
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: like you said, I mean, I don't know because on
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: our season, mean, Gabby, the guys did not fight one time.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: You could not force these guys to have any sort
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: of disagreement, and it's like on this season it's constant,
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: and when is.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: That like bomb going to explode?
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: It feels like it already did last episode, but like
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: you said, it just continues and it's still going.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: It's constant, but yet it's still with a very small
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: select group of people every time, and it seems to
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: be happening when the whole group is in the room.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: As a contestant on the show, at one point in
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: your life, what do you think it's like or do
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: you remember a scenario where it was like this where
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: there's something like an argument is going on, something super
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: awkward taking place right in front of you, and you're
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: a bystander, like you're just standing there watching this whole
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: thing go down. Over time, it's I'm assuming it's got
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: to get exhausting.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean on our season head Cheney, Yeah, and
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: that was and that would just happen in front of
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: the group, and I remember I would just sit there
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: and I would literally just go like this, and I
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: would just try to fold.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: So far away to not get involved.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: But I knew in my mind, like having seen the show,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, well she's going home soon. Yeah, and
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: this is just happening for like the TV, right, Like,
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: she can't really be like that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: And I remember just thinking that in my mind.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: But it seems like these guys genuinely have an issue
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: with each other, and it's not like they're doing it
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: just to do it for TV.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think they're doing it.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I think they think they're in the right here, or
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: they've somehow have been convinced that this is a pedestal
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: they need they need to stand on. I remember during
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: the time when Caitlyn was the Bachelor. I've said this
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: on the podcast before, but there was a moment where
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: with Caitlin's season, because I think she liked to push
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: everybody so much and because she had a little wild
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: streak to her, there was a lot of drama happening.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: A lot of the drama wasn't even ever shown, or
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: wasn't shown to the extent that it was actually happening.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: It was something was happening every day, and Jared and
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: I were sitting on the couch one evening.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I remember I was had.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: A cocktail and he had a cocktail, and for whatever reason,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: we're like in our relaxing clothes kind of just chilling
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: talking to each other about sports, and all of a sudden,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: like a fight breaks out right in front of us
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: in the main living room of the mansion. And I
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: remember Jared and I looked at you her like, isn't
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: this the craziest thing? Like nobody is going to believe
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: that this is real, really happening, Like they gonna they're
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: all gonna think it's scripted when they watch us. We
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: get a front row seat at this madness, and so
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: we started to like watch it as entertainment. It started
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: to become almost enjoyable to.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Us to be like, who's gonna yell at each other tonight?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Why are they going to be upset?
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: But I'm thinking a lot of these guys are kind
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: of taking that perspective. It's just like standing back being like,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: this is so stupid. I can't wait to you know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: these dufass leave. Yeah, the problem is I don't think
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: some of them will be leaving for a while.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely not. And thank God for us so we
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: can continue to watch it.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: That's right. Well, speaking of wanting to continue to watch the.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Group date, the first group date of this episode is well,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: it's still in Australia and it's being held and led
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: by some male professional strippers. The whole date is kind
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: of talking about this career and then teaching some of
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: these guys their moves, and then the guys guys are
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: then told that they are going to perform in front
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: of a live audience including the bachelorettes from Australia and
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: their bachelorette gin. These guys are going to perform, and
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: the date kicks off, and that's really I mean, this
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: is a big group date, a lot of guys there,
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: and there's a lot of let's call it art to
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: be performed. I'll start here and say this. During when
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: I was the Bachelor, we were in Vegas and there
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: was a date that was planned where the women were
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: going to do something similar like this was like a
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: very similar setup, and I said no, like I won't
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I won't go.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: They can go and do it and have fun.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: With it and have a I will not be doing this,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: like I will not be sitting there and one asking
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: them to do this. Also, I won't be I don't
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: want to be a part of that publicly. I don't
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: want everybody in the world to watch that. So your
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: opinion on this date, now, you can disagree with me,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: that's great. I would love for it. I just know
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I couldn't do it, Like for me, it didn't feel
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: right for me.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, as like a woman, I probably wouldn't have
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: done it wouldn't have been comfortable. But on my season,
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: we actually had something exactly the same. Basically, we had
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: like a talent show on a rainy day at the
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: mansion and they all like were wearing speedos so and
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: then they had to do a talent in their speedo
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: so basically the same thing.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: I like the day. I thought a lot of them
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: got into it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: You could tell they were really uncomfortable, but some of
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: them just like really stood out and they really tried
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: their best. Like I loved Jonathan's he had like Jen's
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: name on his like, but I thought it was cute.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: And there was Australian Rachel and Gabby there.
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah you're right, Yes, I loved it, and I loved
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: the part I wrote down well.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: I wrote Gabby because I called the girl Gabby with
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: the brown hair. She was given Jen advice about sam
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: m which I thought was interesting going into what happens
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: later in the Rose ceremony with that whole couch situation
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: where Jen was like, there's just so much sexual tension
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: and she was like, be careful because I picked mine and.
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: It didn't end up well.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's nice.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, is there foreshadowing here, like what's going on? I
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: thought that was really interesting.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: The date itself. I will say, the guys on this day,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: they showed up for it, and I have to respect
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: him for that. I appreciate it and I respect him
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: because they gave it their all and they didn't make
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: it awkward.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I think if you're.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Going to be in this situation, you just got to
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: leave it on the dance floor, like go for it
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: and see and let it happen. I think the guys
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: did the one though. Obviously the storyline of this episode
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: is Sam in what we referred to him as the
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: love Virgin, because that's what he said he was. He's
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: very nervous, and you know what, I don't want to
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: shame him for that. I don't want to shame him
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: for not wanting to do you know this, If you
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: don't want to, I think you have every right to
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: just say, hey, not my thing. If you want my
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: personality to shine, well, this is one way that you're
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: going to see it doesn't in this environment. I think
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: he could have said that and maybe pulled her aside
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: and just been like, hey, I'm uncomfortable doing this on
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: national television in front of my grandma and my parents
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: and my sisters and everybody else.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: And it was a lead.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I think you and I both could agree typically if
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: that would happen to be like I get it, like,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: don't do it then absolutely totally cool, like I not
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: my like I'm not going to force you to do this.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I think that was that would have been the good route.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I think the route he took was super awkward, super awkward,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: and I think he even felt awkward about it afterwards.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know how or who told him that was
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: a good idea.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: I wrote this same thing down, I wrote who told
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: him to throw that hail Mary? Because, like you said,
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: it's not about actually getting out there and stripping. Jen
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: just wants to see like their personality and see him
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: have fun. I think he could have taken it so
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: many different ways, or even just said hey, like he
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: ran out there and pulled her backstage for a minute
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: and they had like a little something set up backstage,
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Like there's so many things that you could.
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: Do, and it just felt very forced.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: Even if that is how he feels, and of course
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: I respect that if it is the way he did it,
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: I just think made everyone really uncomfortable and therefore it
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: wasn't the right way to go about it.
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I don't think Jen was sitting there being like, Wow,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: look how sweet this is. More this is you know,
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: kind of the unspoken rule I think is those moments,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: especially when you first tell your girlfriend that you're falling
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: in love with her, probably should be done one on one,
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: like you should probably not do it in a public
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: setting where you're one hundred feet from them over a microphone.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: You could probably just say, hey, I'm having these feelings
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: towards you. Also, I do think there are some options
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: for sam In to participate and maybe not take off
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: a single piece of clothing. He could have made that
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: really funny. He could have made, you know, a little
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: dance while he keeps on his whole astronaut suit and
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: nobody knows what's underneath and it's hilarious.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: He could have done a couple of different things. I
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: think his route did uh.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: It did highlight I think that he has maybe a
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: little bit of that golden retriever energy as well.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Just a little bit unexperienced.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: He's just not experienced obviously when it comes to dating. Well,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: some of the guys, you know, take a fence to it.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know how you take a fence to Sam.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: And it feels like at this point, like if somebody
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: does that in front of everybody, you're like, hey, this
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: this poor guy, like just like let him kind of
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: like blow this thing up on his own. He's not
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: he's not going to crush it here, and that's totally
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: cool with me. But some guys do get.
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: Upset going into the nighttime portion though.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: M hm.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: We see Thomas and Sam m literally bullying him. Yeah,
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: just so openly right by the bar where everyone's like
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: going up to get drinks.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: I do not understand this, Like what is their issue?
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Like first it's Devin.
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: Now they're having an issue with Sam, And.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: You're kind of picking on on the weakest person right now,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Like it's very obvious that that dude did not think
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: what he did was awesome. It's not like he's exuded
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: confidence from any moment of stepping within this show, so
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: why pick on him? Like it does feel like bully
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: like behavior where you say weakest length, I'll go after him.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, And that's where I wrote, Devin actually
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: really did come across from me way better in this
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: situation because he really was standing up for him, and like,
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: I love that. I thought that was so and I
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: thought Jen handled it really well when she did talk
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: to him. But this whole Thomas and sam n situation, it's.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: It's weird, it's weird, it's weird. But Devin did step up.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: I do think Devon did something courageous there. Now, I
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: don't think he's handling this whole situation well. I think
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: he's definitely not not at fault for the chaos and
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: the frustrations that others have towards him. But I do
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: like that he stepped up for sam In when sam
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: In really maybe wasn't aware, or wasn't in the place,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: or wasn't he was lacking the confidence at the time
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: to step up for himself. It's not fun on this
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: show to see somebody just kind of get beat down
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: by the bros. And it felt like a moment where
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: he was going to get beat down by the bros.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: And I don't like that ever. On the show, it's
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: not fun to watch it's and it's not a good look,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: you know, for the two of them. Well, that's when
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: we find out that well, Sam m and Thomas definitely
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: don't like Devin. That's fine, that clears that up. I
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: hope we don't have to watch this three of them
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: bicker for the next two weeks. I hope some of
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: them start going home here very soon.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, please, God, we.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Do have somebody going home kind of shockingly on his own,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: and that's Aaron. Aaron is Noah's brother. Aaron was gonna
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: be He was a big storyline going into the show
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: because he is Noah's brother, and Noah made such a
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: name for himself during this show and obviously is in
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: a relationship. From the show, Aaron gets a phone call
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: and I get it. I think we saw the same
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: thing with Joan, who's now our Golden Bachelorette last season.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: When life calls and you have a dream in place,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I think you have to take it, especially at this
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: point in the experience. I don't know anybody anybody can
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: get that upset with him for doing what he did.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Greed completely, Like I'm a pilot, I would have a
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: thousand percent done the same thing. I agree The only
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: thing I really just didn't like a little bit was well,
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: I guess we could talk about it after like their
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: group date, but he was kind of like, well, if
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: she doesn't give me this rose, then.
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: I'm leaving, But if she gives me this rose, then
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: I'm staying.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: And it just kind of felt like a little weird
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: that he was basing his decision on this rose.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think he actually was. It's a very early
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: rose to be giving so much up for agreed, I
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: think any good advisement, and I do believe the producers
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: would probably actually have given him good advice here, because
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: for as much as they love to see the drama
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: play out, they also are like, hey, yeah, but like
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, and I'm still a normal human.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: You should go home, like go go fly a plane
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: and learn this and finish this dream of years and
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: then who knows, maybe you can come back again on
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: the beach. You're in a different season. Jin was also
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: supportive of it the group date with him, and you
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: just had mentioned it. There isn't a lot for me.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you have many notes
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: from that other than they you know, they raced.
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: Jeremy did that cute stop the car and kiss her thing?
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: I think Austin wins and then that's it. That's really
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: all I had. Yeah, it was tiny, small, short, So.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Aaron goes home.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: He did leave Jin in a weird place here, and
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: we're getting closer and closer to the end of this
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: episode and it feels like it feels almost unhealthy. Unhelpful,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: is what I should say for how he left it. Hey,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: there's some great guys here, but there's also some really
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: bad guys here, So just be careful. You don't need
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: to say that. She knows all of that already. Don't
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: get in her head about this. And he wasn't willing.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: If you're gonna say that, I always think on this
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: show you have to also be willing to give the details.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: You can't just say, hey, by the way, like, do
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: some investigation. Good luck with that. You have twenty dudes
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: here to try to figure out. But some of them
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: aren't here really and they're not really great guys, So
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: best of luck.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Gen see you later. Felt frustrating.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: I think it frustrated Gin, and I do like that
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Jin did step up for in this moment and not
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: try to maybe even figure out who he was talking about,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: but just tell the whole group this is what I heard,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: this is what I know, and if any of you
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: are not here for the right reasons, you can go home.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Like that's really cool. I like, I enjoyed this moment
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: from Gin. I think it definitely solidified her as the
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: lead of this group.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: I agree.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: I loved seeing that side because we've seen fun Gen,
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: sweet Gen, but this is the first time she was
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: like kind of feisty and serious and really letting the
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: guys know that, like, yeah, we're having fun and this
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: is like a great time and we're all here, but
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: I'm here, this is my real life, and you guys
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: need to be serious.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: And then I loved how she was like Marcus, can
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: we go talk?
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: And I was like, WHOA, but no, I loved I
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: loved that moment from Jen.
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: I think we needed to see that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: She needed it.
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: Get those guys in line.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: They're not gonna they're not gonna mess with Jen. She's
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: they know that she has a force behind her and
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: she can't put her foot down. Well, we are closing
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: up this episode. We do have to summarize everything here.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: When it comes to the final row ceremony, but before
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: we do that, kind of last thing I want to
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: talk to you about is any notes that you had
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: that you're really passionate about that we didn't you know,
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: talk about. And in the same breath, I do want
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: to hear from your perspective about the couch scene with
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Sam m and what your overall thoughts were on that
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: whole interaction.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: That was kind of just the last note I had.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: I was actually like covering my eyes watching that scene.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: It felt like something you're not supposed to watch coming
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: from me.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: I used to do this.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: I feel like I was the same way on the show,
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: so I have no legs to stand on with this.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: But he was like full on straddling her. He was
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: straddling her and then she's like, are we dating? It
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: felt like, what's happening in this situation? I think maybe
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: from my perspective, she was just being like flirty and
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: they're all technically your boyfriends, right, so she's probably like,
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: are you going to ask me to be your girlfriend?
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Just being flirty?
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: But I'm not seeing any substance out of this man
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: at all. It feels like he'll say words until he
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: doesn't have anything else to say, and then he's just
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: making out with her, Yeah, which is rich coming from me,
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: but I don't know it is.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: It does seem to be a strategy on the show.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: You can get away with that for a long time, right,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: you can have that physical connection, you can make out,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: you can say all the right things in those ten
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: minutes that you have and and it works for a
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: long time. I do think most seasons there is that
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: moment though, where you go, hey, maybe this isn't my
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: long term partner. It felt like very much to me
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: like a middle school make session.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Middle school.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like where you're.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Like, I gotta like, I can't keep my hands off
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: of you, and we're fully clothed and we're gonna lay
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: on top of each other on a couch like.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: It felt like that to me.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: It did not feel at all like to adults functioning
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: in a like in a in this environment, it did.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: It felt like something you would see from like teenagers.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: I can't say anything because I feel like sometimes you
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: just forget those cameras are there. That's fair again, you know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: worse things have happened, not worse, just other things have happened.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: I think the.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: Straddling was a little strange. Her asking about are we dating? Yeah, again,
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: just maybe being flirty.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I think it's flirty. I think it's flirty.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: I also think they're very into each other, and so
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I think they wanted to say a lot of things
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: that were not like they weren't going to say because
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: they did. Remember, hey, we're miked when we have cameras around.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: I think they just need to get to the fantasy
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: suite and that like, see where it goes from there.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: I actually think they just need to have a real
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: conversation and see where that happens.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Because at this point I have seen it, it looks
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: like they.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: Get a one on one next week.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: It's good.
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: Good.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: I think we're gonna learn a lot and I hope
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: we do well. We do have a few people going
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: home this week, just a few, just two. So the
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: two people going home, if you have him up in
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: front of you, please just say names.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: Hakem and Thomas A who I had to look up
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: his name because I don't think he's spoken this season.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: You see the one with the abs like that was
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: the only thing I remember, frown.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Hair, it was kind of longer.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he walked out and I think one of the
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: Australian bachelorettes go said, oh, look at his abs, and
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: that was like the only thing we've ever heard in
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: reference till we.
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: Know about him.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: I did like Hakeem though, his whole Spider Australian.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: It was so I wish he was around longer.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: And his eyes are so expressive, like he's a fun watch.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: And I do think I am surprised he went home
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: this early, because I do think he was a had
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: a main character kind of vibe about him in confidence.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: But Keem goes home, Thomas In goes home, and we
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: move on. Now I think I'll start to know all
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: these guys' names. It takes me a couple weeks.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I never know their name.
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, me too, Hakeem.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: We'll see you on the beach.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: To close up this episode, Rachel, we always do it,
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: but we haven't done with you yet.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Your top Let's do top.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Four in order from number four to number one, Okay.
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: I'll do. Can I go number one down because I
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: forget their names?
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Number one Jonathan, Okay, I really like him. Number two Marcus,
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: and then I like Dylan, yeah, and then I really
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: like Spencer.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: So we're going to go there that.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Those four I actually if I disagree with any of those,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I think Dylan.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: For me is like this, like he's been so quiet,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: but yet he has such a strong presence that it's
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: like that guy kind of feels like one that's going
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: to be there a while because they're kind of not
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: hiding him more than just not showing him. So I
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: do like Dylan. I really like Jonathan. I think Marcus
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: would be my number three and number four. I probably
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: put Spencer in there as well. Yeah that makes sense
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: right now. I can't think of anybody I'm missing. But
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: it's interesting that Grant didn't make either our of our
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: top list or samm two people who definitely at last
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: week had a very high kind of presence on the show.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Sam is not going to make my list. I
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: don't think Okay, I don't think he's it.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: You don't think he's it?
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Well that is the word for this week. Rachel doesn't
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: think sam m is it, and I'll agree with her.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think so either.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: This has been another episode of the Almost Famous podcast.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: We were breaking down the third week of this season
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: of the Bachelorette. We'll be back next week, breaking down
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: another episode of the Bachelorette. Stay tuned because we have
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: a lot of content coming your way. Rachel will be
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: here as our co host along the way, doing some
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: really fun stuff with us. I cannot wait to continue
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: to talk to her, continue to hear her thoughts on
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: this season and all the things happening in Bachelor Nations.
• 44:28
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• 44:30
  Speaker 6: And I'm Rachel.
• 44:31
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• 44:33
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