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Points of No Return: The Exterior Surfaces You Can't Unpaint · Repcolite Home Improvement Show

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  Speaker 1: Well, there are things in your life that you can't
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  Speaker 1: undo right points of no return. Do you have any
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  Speaker 1: experiences in your life where you realized you were crossing
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  Speaker 1: one of those thresholds?
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Home in Progress by Repcolite Paints, sponsored
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  Speaker 1: by Benjamin Moore, and I've got a boatload of those,
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  Speaker 1: a boatload of those moments, a lot of well, we
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  Speaker 1: can't do that all over again. You know, that's out
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  Speaker 1: of the box now, can't put that back in. Got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of those things in my life. One that's
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  Speaker 1: on the funnier side. Just one that's on the funnier side.
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  Speaker 1: I've only got time for one of these. But one
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  Speaker 1: that's on the funnier side. Goes back a long time,
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  Speaker 1: a long time. But I was a full fledged adult
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  Speaker 1: at this point, so you know, don't let that change
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  Speaker 1: your opinion here anyway.
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  Speaker 2: It goes back a long time.
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  Speaker 1: I was working on the house, right, I had little
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  Speaker 1: kids at that point and working on the house, and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to wreck the shorts that I had, right,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want to snag them on a nail or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Because guys, and maybe everybody, but guys, especially my dad
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  Speaker 1: was in trouble all the time. Whenever he had good anything,
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  Speaker 1: he would wear that to work around the house and
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  Speaker 1: then he'd get in big trouble because he'd always wreck it.
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  Speaker 1: So that's just drilled into my head. Don't wreck this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: This is good stuff, don't wreck it. So I only
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  Speaker 1: had a couple of good pairs of shorts. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to wreck them. And I was going up and
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  Speaker 1: down a ladder, I was working on a window. It
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  Speaker 1: was summer, it was crazy hot, and you know, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to do the work in jeans. I needed
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  Speaker 1: to be in shorts. But I don't want to wreck
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  Speaker 1: my good shorts and get in big trouble. What am
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  Speaker 1: I gonna do? And then inspiration struck. You know, angels,
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  Speaker 1: the clouds part a beam of sunlight, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: comes down on me, and the angels sing, and I
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  Speaker 1: realize what I.
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  Speaker 2: Need to do. You know what I can do.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a pair of jeans in the house with
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  Speaker 1: torn up knees, you know, absolutely blown out knees. They
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  Speaker 1: really weren't much use at all anymore. But I realized
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  Speaker 1: I could cut them down into shorts. And if I
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  Speaker 1: wrecked these shorts, you know, while I was working around
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  Speaker 1: the house. Who cares, you know, they were just bad
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  Speaker 1: jeans anyway, So you know there is no flaw in
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  Speaker 1: this plan.
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  Speaker 2: I was absolutely sure of it.
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  Speaker 1: So I go into the house, I grab them out
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  Speaker 1: of my drawer, lay them out on the counter, and
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  Speaker 1: I get out my scissors and I eyeballed them. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I've got a pretty good eye for this kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: I eyeballed them to figure out where I should cut
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  Speaker 1: them off, and then I set to cutting. Now, to
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  Speaker 1: be completely, you know, open and honest about this, there
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  Speaker 1: was a part of my mind that said I should
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  Speaker 1: put them on and you know, make a mark and
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  Speaker 1: measure before cutting. You know that cutting was a point
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  Speaker 1: of no return. You know, all of that was in
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  Speaker 1: my head. You know, it was reminding me, I've only
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  Speaker 1: got one pair of jeans that I can cut into shorts.
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  Speaker 1: This is my only shot at this, you know, so
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  Speaker 1: get it right. You know that part of my mind
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  Speaker 1: was telling me all of that stuff. That part of
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  Speaker 1: my mind is such a nag. Really, it just really
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  Speaker 1: gets on my nerves after a while.
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  Speaker 2: So I wholeheartedly.
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  Speaker 1: Ignored you know that part of me, the nervous nelly
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  Speaker 1: part of me, and I just started cutting because really
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  Speaker 1: it's an old pair of jeans. I just need a
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  Speaker 1: pair of shorts for working around the house. What possibly
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  Speaker 1: could go wrong? Well, when the legs fell off, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the leg pieces fell off, and I held up the
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  Speaker 1: shorts that I've made, or if you prefer the jorts,
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  Speaker 1: remember that word, the jorts that I made, jeans and shorts.
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  Speaker 2: Put them together. You got jorts. That's what I did here. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: When I held them up, you know, my jorts, my
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  Speaker 1: new jorts. The first thing that sounded a warning in
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  Speaker 1: my head was that I could see, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: bottoms and a fair amount of the pockets. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the pocket material hanging lower than the jeans fabric anymore.
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  Speaker 1: You know, So if you can picture that where I
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  Speaker 1: cut them, the pocket hung like an inch or two
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  Speaker 1: below that, the back pocket and the front, so both
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  Speaker 1: of them. And I thought that that doesn't look exactly
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  Speaker 1: like what I pictured, But you know, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it'll be okay. So I told myself that when
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  Speaker 1: I when I put them on right, I'm gonna fill
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  Speaker 1: them out and that's gonna go away. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: not gonna not gonna be what it looks like they're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna be too short, you know, Oh it'll be fine.
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  Speaker 2: Well no, no, they weren't. And it didn't go away.
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  Speaker 1: It actually, when I put them on, got worse, got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fear amount quite a bit worse. And
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  Speaker 1: as I stood, I can still this picture has burned
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  Speaker 1: into my mind. Thankfully, nobody else in the house saw it.
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  Speaker 1: But as I stood in front of a mirror.
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  Speaker 2: I realized that the nervous part of my brain wasn't
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  Speaker 2: entirely you know, entirely an idiot. Uh. These were short.
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  Speaker 2: They were short shorts, short shorts.
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  Speaker 1: And this was two thousand and five or so. This
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  Speaker 1: wasn't the days of magnum pi. So this wasn't okay.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't okay at all. But I figured, you know,
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  Speaker 1: who's gonna see me anyway. I'm just working in my backyard,
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  Speaker 1: no big deal. So I sneak out of the house
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  Speaker 1: so my family doesn't see what I'm doing and what
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  Speaker 1: I'm wearing. And I get up on my ladder and
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  Speaker 1: I start my work, you know, in my daisy dukes,
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  Speaker 1: because that's what they really were, you know, that's what
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  Speaker 1: I was wearing, literally exactly daisy dukes. I kind of
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  Speaker 1: felt like I should tie my shirt up in a
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  Speaker 1: knot right right above my belly button to kind of
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  Speaker 1: complete the look.
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  Speaker 2: But I didn't do that.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't do that, you know, because I do have
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  Speaker 1: some dignity. Believe it or not, I still have some
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  Speaker 1: dignity left. Anyway, I worked and worked, and it was
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  Speaker 1: really uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 2: You know, these shorts.
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  Speaker 1: They went places, they rode up, they did things, and
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  Speaker 1: I was.
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  Speaker 2: Always trying to tug them a little bit lower because.
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  Speaker 1: There was so much exposed thigh, so much exposed thigh,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, oh my goodness, I could only imagine what
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  Speaker 1: the back of the shorts look like. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: knew what the front looked like. I didn't even want
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  Speaker 1: to look in the mirror and see what the back
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  Speaker 1: look like.
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  Speaker 2: But at least I was alone in the backyard working
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  Speaker 2: on my ladder, right, no big deal.
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  Speaker 1: And right as I'm thinking all of that and thinking
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  Speaker 1: that I'm probably gonna be fine, I'll get done with
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  Speaker 1: this and go in the house and just it'll be
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  Speaker 1: a thing of the past. At that moment, somebody behind
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  Speaker 1: me clears their throat and I turn around and there's
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  Speaker 1: my neighbor guy, and he's just standing there smirking at me,
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  Speaker 1: you know, almost laughing, and he says something.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember exactly how it went, but he said.
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  Speaker 1: Something along the lines of looks like you made yourself
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  Speaker 1: a new pair of shorts, huh, And I just stared
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  Speaker 1: at him from the ladder, trying to figure out. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not really good at social interactions, so I'm staring at him.
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  Speaker 1: Most people would know from his tone and what he
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  Speaker 1: said what he was getting at, but I didn't. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just staring at him, trying to figure out, are you making.
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  Speaker 2: Fun of me? Or do you really like these?
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  Speaker 1: And then he followed it up with something like should
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  Speaker 1: have measured right, should have measured first, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: then he did the whole measure twice, cut once thing,
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  Speaker 1: which we all know about. So that's when I knew
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  Speaker 1: he was making fun. He's making fun of my daisy
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  Speaker 1: dukes anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Points of no return.
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  Speaker 1: For me, that was a point of no return once
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  Speaker 1: I cut those legs where I cut them, those were
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  Speaker 1: the shorts.
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  Speaker 2: That I had to live with and work with, at
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  Speaker 2: least for that day.
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  Speaker 1: Thankfully, you know, it was a minor one, you know,
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  Speaker 1: no lasting damage, no emotional scarring.
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  Speaker 2: No photos.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's like it never happened, but I did
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  Speaker 1: tell you about it. But it's because it's funny anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I say all of that because in that whole just
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  Speaker 1: convoluted story, there's a paint point that I want to
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  Speaker 1: dig into on the show today, points of no return
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to painting, specifically painting parts of the
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  Speaker 1: exterior of your home. All right, here's what I'm getting at.
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  Speaker 1: We all know because we talk about it all the
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  Speaker 1: time on the show, and He's just you don't need
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  Speaker 1: to be a genius to know this. Painting your house
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  Speaker 1: can be one of the biggest upgrades, right that you
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  Speaker 1: can make to your curb appeal. Go to paint on
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  Speaker 1: the siding, or on the trim, or even just on
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  Speaker 1: the front door. All of those things can take years
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  Speaker 1: off a place. It can really change how you feel
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  Speaker 1: when you pull into the driveway. It changes how you
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  Speaker 1: feel about your home. And that's a really, really good thing.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing, and this is something that we
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  Speaker 1: don't always talk about. You know, I don't always talk
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  Speaker 1: about it, and I'm sure people in my industry don't
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  Speaker 1: always talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: But some of the.
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  Speaker 1: Surfaces on your home are points of no return if
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  Speaker 1: they haven't been painted before and you do decide to
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  Speaker 1: paint them, well, at that point you've made a decision
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  Speaker 1: that you're gonna live with for as long as you
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  Speaker 1: own that house. For the most part, every now and
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  Speaker 1: then you can walk these back with varying levels of success,
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  Speaker 1: but for the most part, once you put paint on
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  Speaker 1: the surfaces, we're going to talk about that's how it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be. You know, it's a point of no return.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean it's a bad decision to do. It's
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  Speaker 1: just kind of like putting the scissors to the jeans.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when I made my jorts. Once I made
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  Speaker 1: that first cut, I couldn't go back and undo it.
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  Speaker 1: So these surfaces, because they're like that, they need some
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  Speaker 1: extra thought and some consideration before you jump in. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what we're going to talk about throughout the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the show. We'll cover brick foundations, natural stone decks,
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  Speaker 1: and vinyl siding, and I'll let you know all the
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  Speaker 1: considerations that you should consider so that when you jump
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  Speaker 1: into a project, you're going in with the full knowledge
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  Speaker 1: of what to expect. You know what you're going to
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  Speaker 1: get most likely and you can go in knowing all
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  Speaker 1: of that. That's way better than going in and finding
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  Speaker 1: out later that you didn't understand that surface entirely.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what we're gonna do. That's my big lead
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  Speaker 2: into it.
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  Speaker 1: And we're gonna get started with brick houses and we'll
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  Speaker 1: do that right after this. Home and Progress is brought
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  Speaker 1: to you by repco Like Paints and Benjamin Mohr. You know,
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  Speaker 1: people often think of paint as just another line item
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  Speaker 1: on the project's supply list.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Everything you do, every hour of prep, every stroke of
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  Speaker 1: the brush, all comes down to the quality of the paint.
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  Speaker 2: With the paint is the project.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure it's the best well before you paint the
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  Speaker 1: outside of your house or anything on the outside of
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  Speaker 1: the house. Sometimes you shouldn't just be asking what color
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  Speaker 1: do we want to go with? Sometimes the better question
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  Speaker 1: is should I even be painting this at all? You're
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  Speaker 1: listening to Home in Progress by Repcolite Paint sponsored by
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  Speaker 1: Benjamin Moore, And as I mentioned in the last segment,
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  Speaker 1: there are just, you know, some exterior surfaces that are
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  Speaker 1: what I call point of no return surfaces. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they're not unpaintable. Absolutely not. You can paint these, but
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  Speaker 1: once you do, you kind of change the relationship you've
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  Speaker 1: got with that material. So if you're going to cross
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  Speaker 1: that line, you want to do it on purpose. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I want to start with one of these surfaces that
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  Speaker 1: raises questions all the time. We get this question all
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  Speaker 1: the time, brick. You know, if you've got a brick home,
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  Speaker 1: or a fair amount of brick on your house, there's
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  Speaker 1: a really good chance you've wondered about painting it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you've driven past other brick homes that have been painted,
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  Speaker 1: or you see them on social media or whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: it starts your wheels turning. It kind of seems like
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  Speaker 1: a really good way to update a home that really
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  Speaker 1: can sometimes feel locked into a particular decade, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties whatever, And you start wondering what's
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  Speaker 1: involved with painting the brick?
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  Speaker 2: Can I do it?
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  Speaker 1: And the good news is that, yeah, it can be
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  Speaker 1: done with the right products and info. But it's a
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  Speaker 1: point of no return project. So before you get all
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  Speaker 1: pumped and get started, first off, you've got to come
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  Speaker 1: to terms with the fact that painted brick is for
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  Speaker 1: all practical purposes permanent.
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  Speaker 2: You know, maybe you can strip it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, with enough money you can do anything, but
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  Speaker 1: stripping paint off brick is brutal. It's expensive work and
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  Speaker 1: half the time you damage the face of the brick
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  Speaker 1: doing it. So when you paint brick, you're not just
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  Speaker 1: choosing a color. You're kind of choosing a kind of
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  Speaker 1: house that you're going to be living with and dealing with.
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  Speaker 1: You're becoming a painted brick house. That's what's happening probably forever.
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  Speaker 1: So keep that front and center in your mind before
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  Speaker 1: you jump in. That's one thing to keep in mind. Secondly,
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  Speaker 1: and completely tied to that, is you've got to think
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  Speaker 1: about the maintenance that that's going to bring. You know,
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  Speaker 1: right now, the brick doesn't really need a whole lot.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've got a brick house and there's nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I do to it. You don't wash it.
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  Speaker 1: Most people don't even seal it. It's just there, and
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  Speaker 1: generally it looks pretty good just being there. You know,
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  Speaker 1: every now and then maybe you've got to clean a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of you know, algae or mildew off or
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  Speaker 1: something like that, but for the most part you leave
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  Speaker 1: it alone. But the day you paint it all of
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  Speaker 1: that changes. Now you've got a coating that's going to
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  Speaker 1: want refreshing, you know, every five to ten years or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: for as long as you're there. You know, you didn't
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  Speaker 1: just change the color. You created a chore. Now that's
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  Speaker 1: not the end of the world, and it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: necessarily that it's an odious chore, but it's a reality
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  Speaker 1: that you need to keep in mind.
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  Speaker 2: So keep that in mind. That maintenance is going to
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  Speaker 2: be there.
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  Speaker 1: Third, it's not as straightforward as just painting it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the project isn't just oh, just just paint the brick
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  Speaker 1: and you're good to go.
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  Speaker 2: Brick needs to breathe.
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  Speaker 1: Brick and the mortar around it they move moisture, They
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  Speaker 1: pull it in, they let it back out. That's just
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  Speaker 1: what masonry does. If you cover it with the wrong
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  Speaker 1: type of paint and you trap that moisture inside, eventually
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  Speaker 1: it's got.
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  Speaker 2: To go somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: So you get peeling, you get blistering, and in colder
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  Speaker 1: climates like what we've got, you know, in our winners,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Michigan winners, you can get spawling. That's when
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  Speaker 1: moisture inside the brick freezes and then expands over repeated
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  Speaker 1: freeze thaw cycles, and when that happens, it can cause
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  Speaker 1: the face of the brick to flake or to pop off.
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  Speaker 2: You've seen it on brick all over the place. Just
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  Speaker 2: look at brick.
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  Speaker 1: Buildings when you're walking by, and when the brick is
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  Speaker 1: crumbling away, that's spawling. And the reason it's spawling, or
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  Speaker 1: most likely the reason it's spalling, is this moisture thing
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  Speaker 1: that's going on the free saw cycles, moisture moving through
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  Speaker 1: all of that. So the wrong paint doesn't just look bad,
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  Speaker 1: it can actually shorten the life of the brick.
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  Speaker 2: It can make that problem worse.
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  Speaker 1: So well, you know, the show that I'm doing today,
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  Speaker 1: it's not really about how to paint these surfaces. My
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  Speaker 1: goal today was just to you know, talk about these
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  Speaker 1: different pointum no return surfaces.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I mainly want to do.
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  Speaker 1: But with that said, with this particular one, I do
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  Speaker 1: want to give you some options. If you do want
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  Speaker 1: to freshen up exterior brick and pull your home out
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  Speaker 1: of the eighties.
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  Speaker 2: Or the nineties, you know, you got to use the
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  Speaker 2: right product.
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned that we've got a couple of them from
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  Speaker 1: Roma Bio that are perfect for this One is called
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  Speaker 1: limewash and the other is a mineral paint, and both
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  Speaker 1: are designed specifically for masonry surfaces.
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  Speaker 2: Just like this.
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  Speaker 1: They're highly breathable, They bond with the brick rather than
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  Speaker 1: trapping moisture behind, you know, a heavy film or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that, and they create a beautiful, i mean, really
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  Speaker 1: really cool old world look that tends to weather naturally
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  Speaker 1: over time rather than peeling. Now, you still can't really
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  Speaker 1: strip them off or get back to that eighties brick look.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's still a point of no return in
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  Speaker 1: that regard, but you can pretty much avoid peeling and
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  Speaker 1: those kinds of maintenance issues. So those are an option
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  Speaker 1: if you're interested, or that peaks you know your interest,
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  Speaker 1: stop out at any Repcolite and ask about Romabio products
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: for brick. All right, let's move down the wall and
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: talk about the foundation, you know, the exposed concrete block
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: or poured.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Concrete at the bottom the base of your house.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: And a lot of what I just said about brick
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: applies here too, So I'll keep this a little bit brief,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: but this is another one of those one way doors.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: I'll point him no return project. You know, once you
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: paint that foundation you've kind of committed to maintaining a
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: painted foundation, and it's just the way it's going to be.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Bear concrete doesn't need repainting. Painted concrete eventually is going
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: to Now I completely understand why people want to paint foundations.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: You know, concrete block, it's not exactly you know, a
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: design feature. It gets stained, it gets patched. It can
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: make an otherwise nice looking house kind of feel unfinished.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: You know, a fresh coat of paint can make a
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: huge difference. I get that. My first house was exactly
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: this way. Everything looked great, it looked as good as
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: it was going to look. It looked good, but the
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: foundation was just concrete blocks. Now, it wasn't the end
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: of the world, but it was one of those things
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: that once I saw it and I kind of saw
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: it as.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: Unfinished, you know.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Once I got that thought in my head, I couldn't
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: unsee it, and so I jumped in and I painted them,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: and instantly the house looked better, way better. But then
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: maintenance did become part of the deal for me. You know,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: concrete and concrete block, they're porous. They naturally absorb moisture
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: from rain, you know, from the ground, even from humid air,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: and that moisture is always trying to work its way
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: back out. If it pushes against a paint film enough
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: over time, you can end up with blistering or peeling.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: That doesn't happen overnight, and it doesn't happen to every
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: single foundation, but it's one of the reasons that painted
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: foundations eventually need touchups or another coat now also, and
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: this is true with brick as well. I maybe should
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: have said it there. But if you're seeing damp areas
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: on your concrete block efflorescence, If you're seeing that, it's
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: just like white fuzzy stuff is what it's going to
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: look like.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: It's just salt deposits.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: But if you're seeing that, or if you're seeing paint,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's previously been painted and you're seeing
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: paint that keeps peeling, or if you actually see water
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: coming through the wall, if you see any of those things,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: painting over those isn't going to solve the problem. You know,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: it may hide the evidence for a little bit of time,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: but the water is still there and.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: It's still going to come through. It's going to be
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: a problem down the road.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: You've got to figure out where that moisture's coming from
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: and put a stop to that before you put a
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: fresh coat of paint over the symptoms. Now, one other
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: thing to keep in mind with foundations is be cautious
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: about just painting over you know, cracks in the foundation.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Cracks in your foundation are worth paying attention to. You know,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: sometimes they're just normal, you know, normal shrinkage cracks. Sometimes
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: they're a sign that the foundation needs attention. The point is,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: don't just fill them and paint over them without understanding
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: what caused them. And if you have any questions about
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: that at your home, go ahead and just reach out
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: to a company who specializes in that work and you know,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: have them walk you through what you're dealing with. A
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: ors basement systems. They've been on the show a ton
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: of times in the past. That's just one place to start.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: But you know, have an expert come and look at it.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: If you've got questions about cracks in the foundation. Most
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: of the time that's going to be a free service.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: You know, give them a call make sure that it is.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: But it's definitely worth going that route if you're you know,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: unsure of what you're dealing with. The bigger point, if
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: you decide to paint that foundation. It's fine, it's going to.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Work well, and it's really going to add to the
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: look and the appeal of the home. You just want
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: to go into it knowing that you're not making a
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: one time improvement thing here, you're adding another painted surface
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: to your home's maintenance list.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Another point of no return surface is natural stone. And yeah,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: people do paint this. Not everybody is a huge fan
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: of the look. But when you paint it, there are
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: some things that you need to keep in mind. We're
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: going to get to them right after. This Home in
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Progress is brought to you by Repcolite Paints and Benjamin Moore.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Think about it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: You spend hours prepping, sandy, taping, and then finally painting.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Don't throw all that work away with an inferior product.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: The paint isn't just another supply. The paint is the project.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Make sure it's the.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Best and we're back.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: You're listening to Home in Progress by Repcolite Paint, sponsored
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: by Benjamin Moore, and right now we're working our way
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: through a short list, a list of five exterior surfaces.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: We're painting them is a point of no return. All right,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: let's move on to another point of no return, surface
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: natural stone. I've talked about brick, and I've talked about
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the foundation of your home.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Now let's talk about natural stone.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And maybe what we're talking about is, you know, a
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: fieldstone chimney with all the rounded stones and shades of gray, tan, rust, cream, whatever.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's a limestone front, you know, wrapped in soft
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: bops and warm grays, you.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Know, whatever it is.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Whatever it is, you know what I'm talking about. You
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: know the look and part of what makes that look,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: you know, natural stone. Part of what makes that beautiful
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: is that no two pieces are exactly alike, right. Every
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: stone has its own color, its own texture, its own
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: little imperfections, and when the sun hits it, those highs
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: and lows, they catch the light differently.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: It's got depth, it's got character.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: It's one of the few materials on a house that
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: actually gets more interesting the longer you look at it.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: So that's natural stone. Now imagine just rolling one solid
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: color over all of it. That's the decision that you're making.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: When you paint natural stone. You're not just changing the color.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: You're really covering up all of that natural variation that
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: made it look like stone in the first place. The
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: texture is still there, Yeah, but the richness, the subtle
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: shifts in color from one stone to the next, all
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: of that's gone.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: And if you've seen this done, sometimes it really really works.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it ends up looking almost a little fake, like
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: it's a fake fake material on the house.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: It's that natural stone. Those natural color variations really do
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of work in the overall look. Just keep
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: that in mind. You know, that's one of those things
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: that before you even open a can of paint, you
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: want to give some consideration to that fact. You know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of that overall look is due to variation
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: in tones, and once that's hidden and covered over, the
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: overall look's going to be dramatically different. Now that's not
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: necessarily bad. I completely get that. I've seen plenty of
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: houses with natural stones straight out of the seventies, and
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how natural that is and how much
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: variation there is in the color, it's still, you know,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: a really dated look. You know, there's one house that
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: we drive past and my daughter points it out all
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the time. It's a great house, but that that is
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: so off putting that you know, for her mind, she
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: can't even get over it. You know, it's just one
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: of those conversations. She could never have that house because
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: you know, people are just lining up to give her
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that house. She could never take it because of that look.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: She'd have to get that completely changed. So I get
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that it is, or can be, a dated color scheme
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: and look and a solid color over that is a
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: reasonable way to update the home in an economical manner.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: So I get why you would want to do it,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: But you do want to think about it, you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: think about what you're changing and what you're moving towards.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Because all the things that we talked about earlier, too,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: maintenance and all of that. Once you put pain on something,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: maintenance is now.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Part of a deal, part of the deal.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: But one other thing I want you to think about
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: here with this, you know, even if you like that
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: idea of painting it, there's one more thing that I'd
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: think about here, especially with this kind of material, maybe
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: even more so than with brick.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I think about what your plans are for the home.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: You know, are you staying in the home or are
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: you leaving sooner you're going to put it on the market,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you know, in the near future. You know, a lot
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: of this is going to depend on the type of
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: stone that we're talking about. I get that, but I
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: can guarantee you that when I said earlier field stone chimneys,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: there's a chunk of the audience who's going what, Who
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: in their right mind would ever paint over something that
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: looks like that?
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: That's that cool?
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: If you're going to list your house in the near future,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: this might be one of those point of no returns
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: that turns off a good chunk of potential buyers. And
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: if you're stingying for as long as you can foresee,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: do what it takes, you know, to really love the
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: look of your home. And if you hate that field
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: stone chimney or whatever, you know, and you can buy
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: into the maintenance and all of.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: That, I get it, go for it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: But if you're going to be listing the house personally
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: with this one, i'd maybe shy away, you know, from
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: from this project. You know it really I think could
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: have a negative impact on people if they see what
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you had and they know you covered it over. You know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: take that for what it's worth. But like we've been saying,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: once that paint is on a surface like that, there's
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: no easy way of getting it back.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Off again.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: You know, that's going to apply to you, and that's
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: going to also be the case for a new buyer.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: All right, another point of no return surface. And I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: see people do this all the time, or at least
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: they think they want to painting their deck. You know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: maybe what they're really after when they come in is
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: a solid color, you know, maybe they want it to
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: match the siding, and they just don't realize there's a
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: better option than paint.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: But whatever they're reasoning, we get the question all the time.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Or actually, you know, not that I think about it,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: it's it's more often not a question. The people who
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: want to do this really don't even think about it
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: not being a good choice, you know. So I guess
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it is that they just don't know there's a better
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: option out there. They just come in and they order paint.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And when we figure out, you know, as we're working
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: through the project with them, when we figure out what
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: they're doing, we shift the conversation. Because here's the thing.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: A deck is just about the toughest environment on your
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: entire property. You know, your driveway is really tough, your
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: garage floor those are tough, but your deck is right
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: up there, you know, top one, two or three.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: You know it's right up there.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Rain sits on it, snow sits on it, the summer
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: sun bakes it. Then everybody walks across it. You know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: we're usually dragon patio furniture in grills, and who knows
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: what else across it. It's a brutal life for any
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: film forming coating, like a paint. Now, good deck staying,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: on the other hand, is generally gonna be better. It's
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: gonna wear out by fading. You know, over time, it's
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: gonna lose color, you're gonna clean the deck, you're gonna
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: put on another coat, and you're generally speaking back in business.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: If you've got a paint film or any heavy film
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: building coating, it's different.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: It's way different.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: When it eventually begins to fail, it's gonna chip, it's
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: gonna crack, it's gonna appeel and refreshing it usually means
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: scraping and sanding and all of that before you can
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: put on another coat. It's a much different maintenance cycle.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Now if you've.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Got an older deck, because you know that sometimes is
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: the case. The deck is just in really bad shape.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: You know, it's rough around the edges, maybe it's mismatched
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: from you had to put in some new boards. They
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: don't match the old boards. The old boards are just
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: so weathered or whatever. You know, it's just in bad shape.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: It's tired looking, and you need to get it updated,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you know, without redoing all of the wood. You know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I get it a deck stain that you can see through,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: you know, a translucent coating of any kind, semi transparent
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: deck stain, those things aren't going to mask those differences.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: And sometimes people.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Just have this kind of situation, the decks in that
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: bad of a shape that they want to go to
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: a solid color.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: You know, it makes sense. I can understand that situation.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: But if that's the case that you're in.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I'd still usually be looking at steering you towards a
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: quality solid color deck stain like Woodlucks or Repcolites Wood
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Master before I reach for paint. Both are going to
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: give you that opaque, you know, uniform look that you
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: want that solid color look.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: But they're going to get there differently. Paint builds a
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: thicker film on top of the wood.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: A solid color.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Stain is going to form a thinner, more breathable coating
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: that's generally more forgiving as the wood expands, contracts and
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: weathers over time.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Now, neither one of those is going to last forever.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: You know, when you put solid color on a deck,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, you're going to see foot traffic. You're
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: going to just see all of these things over time.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And a solid color stain will peel over time.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: You know. That is something that you'll deal with.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: You'll have to do a little bit of repair work,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: you know, and touch ups to get that looking good.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: But it's still going to be better when it comes
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to maintenance, generally speaking, to go with a stain than
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: it is to go with a paint. And really I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: should clarify one other thing, you know, because I'm talking
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: about point of no return things, and I do want
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: to raise the question because maybe there's a few people
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: out there who are thinking ahead a little bit and
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: they're wondering, is painting a deck technically.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: A point of no return project?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: You know, if you paint it, is it really permanent
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Like some of these other things, there's just no way
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: to get it off, no reasonable way to get it off. No,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: you can paint a deck and then you can get
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the paint back off of the deck, you know, it's
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: easier than getting the paint peck off of the brick
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: or the stone or whatever. But it's the exact opposite
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: of fun. Still absolutely no fun. You know, it can
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: be sanded off, it can be stripped off. There are
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: water based removers out there that will probably get it
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: off eventually, but it's expensive. You know, people generally damage
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the surface. They'll bring power washers out and really try
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: to hit it with that and that damages the wood,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you know, and go in. The water based paint remover
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: route incredibly expensive, you know, to do a whole deck,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: you know, it's crazy expensive. Sanding it's probably your best
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: option if you do have a situation like that. We
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: do rent out an on floor machine that will.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Take it off.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: It's probably the best solution all around to getting paint
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: off a deck. But even then, with all of that said,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: it's not fun. You know, we've had customers do it,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: but it does not go quickly. It's not a fun project.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: So while technically it's not a point of no return,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: it's really really close to a.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Point of no return.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: All right, I've got one more surface that we're going
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: to hit, one one more point of no return situation.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Vinyl siding. Now we've talked about painting vinyl sighting over
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and over and over again on the show. How in
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the world can I make the claim that it's a point.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Of no return project.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I'll explain what I'm getting at right after this, you're
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: listening to Home in Progress, where the projects are real,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the mistakes, they're educational, sometimes painful, mostly educational. And the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: only thing more stubborn than that old wallpaper on your
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: bathroom wall is your determination to get it fixed.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Probably sponsored by Repco Lite Paints and Benjamin.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Moore Paint with a purpose, people who care, and everything
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you need to get the job done right.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: And we're back.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: You're listening to Home in Progress by Repcoal Lite Paints,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: sponsored by Benjamin Moore and all show long, we've been
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: doing something a little bit strange, a little bit strange.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: We've been talking about certain exterior surfaces and we've been
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: discussing whether or not painting them is actually know the
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: best way for you to go. Normally, I'm telling you
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: to throw paint on anything and everything you know, the
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: more the better, But in reality, we really do want
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: you first and.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Foremost to love the results of your work.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: We don't want you to paint something and then discover
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that there's way more maintenance than you expected. Nobody wins
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: when that happens. We don't win. You don't win. Nobody's happy.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: We don't want you to get done and find out
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: that it doesn't look the way you were thinking. You know,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: we can't always help with all of that, but in
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: some of these situations, I think we can, and that's
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: what we've been doing is talking them through so you
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: get a good visual, a good understanding of what you're
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: buying into when you put paint on these surfaces. And
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: we've talked about things like brick, natural stone, the foundation
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: of your home, and with those three, you know, if
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: you rode through the whole conversation, I'm not saying don't
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: paint them. Paint on those surfaces can really make a
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: huge difference. You know, the right paint. You got to
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: use the right paint, but it can make a huge difference.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, be a little bit cautious because these
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: are point of no return idea. You know, once you
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: put paint on them, there's no going back. The last
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: one that we just talked about was decks, and there's
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: really not a great reason to put paint on a
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: deck unless there's already a bunch of paint on the deck.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: If the deck's already painted, well, I guess what are
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: you going to do at that point?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: But if it's not painted, there are other.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Options to get you, you know, closer to that look
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: with slightly less and sometimes significantly less maintenance. All right,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: So we talked about all of those. The last one
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  Speaker 1: that I want to highlight is vinyl siding. And this
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: one should have you scratching your head at least a
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: little bit. You know, if you've listened to the show
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: for any length of time, I've talked incessantly it's how
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I do things. But I've talked about painting vinyl siding
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: over and over and over. It's a good project. It's doable,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: do the right prep, and you're good. And that's true.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: You know, everything that I've previously said is true. So
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: with that said, how is this a point of no
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: return project? Well, it's a point of no return in
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: terms of your color. And I'm stretching a little bit.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Here, but I needed one more and I think this
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: is a really good point to make since we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about all of this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So here's something that a lot of homeowners don't realize,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of you do, a lot of you don't.
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  Speaker 1: You can't just pick any color that you want for
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: vinyl siding that's on your house, not if you're painting it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you can when you're buying it, pick any
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: color that they've got available, But once it's on your
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: house and you want to repaint it or paint it,
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  Speaker 1: you can't just pick any color. The darker the color
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: that you pick, the more heat it absorbs from the sun,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and that extra heat can cause the vinyl to expand.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: And if your new color, that new color you picked
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: is significantly darker than that original vinyl siding color, it
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: can absorb that heat and cause the vinyl siding to
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: expand beyond what it's designed for.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: And that causes the panels.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: To warp, to buckle, or to sag. And when it happens,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: it's permanent, and it can happen relatively quickly, you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: depending on the color you pick, the bosure, the quality,
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  Speaker 1: the thickness of your vinyl siding, the climate, depending on
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: those things, it could already be visible in just a
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, you know, two months now. Worst case scenario,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: let's say you do that. You pick the wrong color.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: You didn't know, you put a dark color on white siding,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: and it starts.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: To do that. You catch it. You can repaint the
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: siding a lighter color. At that point, you know, you.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Can paint your house a second time to reflect more
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: heat and halt or slow the process down. You know,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: it's not maybe not one hundred percent perfect because that
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: darker color is still underneath there, but it's gonna help
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a lot. You can do that, you know, if you
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: want to buy into all that work. But it's not
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: gonna undo, of course, you know what's already happened. And
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm calling it a point of no return.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And if you're thinking that this is something that rarely happens,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: it's just me fear mongering, you know, just like well,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if the explosive diarrhea thing is fear
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: mongering or not.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: We're gonna find.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Out, hopefully hopefully not on air, but that you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: that's yet to be determined. But I'm not fear mongering,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: you know. If you think I might be, just start
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: looking at houses. I'm so sorry I brought up Oh,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the explosive diarrhea.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I can't even shake that from my brain that I
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: said that. I guess I could delete it out, but
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: it's I don't know, gonna kind of roll with it.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna leave it anyway. If you think
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I'm blowing it up, oh good grief.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: If you think I'm exaggerating about the vinyl siding, let's
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: just get serious here. If you think I'm exaggerating about
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the vinyl siding, just start looking at houses.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: In your neighborhood. You know, on walks and on your drives.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: It's not all over the place. You know, it's not everywhere, but.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: There are, you know a lot of these examples, and
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: you're gonna see them, and they're all in varying different,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: you know, different conditions. But there are a couple of
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: houses that I pass every single week that has houses
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: that have vinyl siding that's developed waves and ripples.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: And all of it.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: So it happens, you know, it happens more often than
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you would like, because once it's there, it's a real
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: pain to deal with. Now, the good news is that
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: paint technology has come a long way. Benjamin Moore, They've
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: got a collection of about seventy five colors for vinyl
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: that are specifically formulated for use on vinyl siding. They're
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: vinyl safe colors, and what makes them vinyl safe is
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: that they're made differently. The pigments in those colors are
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: chosen to reflect more of the sun's infrared heat, so
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: a darker looking color doesn't necessarily get as hot as
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: a traditional paint formula of the same color. So there
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: are vinyl safe colors. Again, Benjamin Moore has a curated
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: collection of about seventy five. That's a huge step forward.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: But and this is a really really important butt. It
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: isn't a free pass. Not all vinyl siding, for example,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: is created equal.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: You know, the color.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I guess what I'm trying to say is the color
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: isn't the soul determiner of how things go. You know,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: the quality of your vinyl siding is going to play
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: in to the sun that the siding is going to get,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: you know, the exposure that it gets, All of that
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: plays in, you know. And like I started to say,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: not all vinyl siding is created equal. Some products are
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: thicker and more stable than others. Again, back to the
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: exposure thing in north facing wall lives a really different
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: life than the west side of a house that bakes
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: in the afternoon sun. A home that's shaded by huge
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: trees isn't exposed to the same heat load as one
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: sitting in the middle of an open subdivision. And even
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Benjamin Moore's Vinyl Safe colors, they're intended to be used
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: in specific premium products like Regal, Select Aura element Guard,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: where those heat reflective formulations are available. So here's my advice,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: you know, bottom line, here's my advice on vinyl siding.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Could you safely go darker than your existing vinyl?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Maybe?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Probably, you know, I think we could probably say that
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you could safely do that.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: You've got to.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Follow the recommendations of your vinyl manufacturer, you know, look
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: into that.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: You've got to use one of Benjamin Vinyl Safe colors.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: You've got to use Regal or element Guard, And if
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: you do all of those things, you've set yourself.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Up for the best possible success. So it's most likely
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: going to be all right. You know, I wouldn't still
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: go crazy dark if you can help it. You know,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: a shade or two darker, you're probably gonna be fine.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: The darker you go, you know, the further you get
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: away from the original color of the vinyl siding, it
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: gets a little more dicey because there's so many variables.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: So keep all of that in mind. The big thing
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: is whatever you've.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Got going, you know, whatever project, especially a vinyl siding project,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: or if you're going to paint your brick, or if
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: you're going to paint the foundation of your home, any
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: of these surfaces that we talked about, you know, the
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: big bottom line here is to just stop out at
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: any repco light and talk through your project. You know,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: tell us what you're doing, what you're trying to get to,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Bring pictures, bring examples, bring samples if you've got them.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: You know, whatever you've got, bring it with you. We'll
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: work through it with you and will help you come
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: up with the best plan, the best color, the best
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: proce so that when you do the project, you get
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the results that you were looking for. We don't want
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: you to jump into a point of no return project
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to put paint or whatever on a point of no
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: return surface without being aware of exactly the steps you
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: need to take and the results and the maintenance and
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: all of that that you're likely to encounter. All Right,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: that's all the time I've got, But before I wrap
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: it up, I do want to let you know that today,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: July eighteen, we've got a car show going on at
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: the lake Wuid Repcolite.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Repcolite is hosting this.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: We're gonna have classic cars, We're gonna have corvettes, We're
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: gonna have all kinds of other classic cars and trucks,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: some motorcycles, and on top of all of that, on
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: top of all of that good stuff, we're gonna have
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: ice cream. So if you're lactose intolerant, bring your lactai
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: pills or whatever you don't want to be without them,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: because we've got Hudsonville ice cream and we'll be scooping
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: it out and all kinds of toppings. I'll be there,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: at least one of my kids is coming, and we're
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: going to be scooping and serving ice cream, and I'd
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: love to see you there. All of it is going on,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the car show, the ice cream, all of it's going
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: on today, July eighteen, from eleven.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: To two at the Lakewood repcol Light.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Now, there is some construction out there in front of
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: the store, and that kind of stinks, but you can
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: get past it.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: And into the store.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: So stop out and see us eleven to two at
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: the Lakewood Repco Light today July eighteen, and it's all free,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: no charge for any of it.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Stop out and see us. All right, that's it.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: If you want to catch this episode again, you can
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: find it online at repco light dot com.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Whatever you do today makes your paints a part of it.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Stop out at the car show at the lake Wuid
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Repco Light and I'll see you back here next week
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: for Home in Progress.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hanson. Thanks for listening.