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3 Guys Before The Game - WVU Football vs Arizona Game Recap (Episode 746) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: All righty, everybody, it's time. Welcome in. Three guys before
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  Speaker 1: the game ready to go. West Virginia and the Arizona Wildcats.
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  Speaker 1: Our game recap, episode number 746. Thanks so much for
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  Speaker 1: All right, so let's jump on in. I guess you
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  Speaker 1: could title this show the no fun, no fun. That
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  Speaker 1: was no fun. No fun whatsoever. No fun episode. Final score,
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  Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you what it was because
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  Speaker 1: you know, 52-31. Arizona knocks off West Virginia. The Mountaineers
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  Speaker 1: are now 0-3 in the Big 12. They are now
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  Speaker 1: lost three in a row after winning three straight. Yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: it was once again the same story that we have
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  Speaker 1: seen in the previous two weeks in that the Mountaineer
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  Speaker 1: defense just simply could not get stops. It's Really, anyone's
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  Speaker 1: game at the end of the first half, Arizona was
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  Speaker 1: up 24-17, and West Virginia did miss on a couple
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  Speaker 1: of opportunities in the first half, should have had more points.
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  Speaker 1: And then in the second half, Arizona just controlled, scored
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  Speaker 1: two touchdowns in the third, two touchdowns in the fourth,
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  Speaker 1: and the result is 52 points. And West Virginia's offense...
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  Speaker 1: tried to hang in there, tried to battle, tried to answer,
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  Speaker 1: scored a touchdown in the third and the fourth. But
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  Speaker 1: you could just feel and sense the stress that is
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  Speaker 1: on that West Virginia offense, knowing that they have to
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  Speaker 1: answer every single time. And from a statistical standpoint, and
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  Speaker 1: I know that stats are for losers. The only thing
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  Speaker 1: that matters is the score. But from a statistical standpoint, historically,
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  Speaker 1: there were some numbers that were put up in this
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  Speaker 1: game that in one case, two cases, had never been
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  Speaker 1: seen before. Most offensive rushes in a game coached by
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  Speaker 1: Rich Rodriguez. 76 carries, which if you get 76 plays
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  Speaker 1: in a game total, that's a good game. You might
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  Speaker 1: as well wait.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to get into some numbers that are just
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  Speaker 2: jaw-dropping on what went on. Not just the score, which
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  Speaker 2: that in itself was jaw-dropping. that the defense actually gave
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  Speaker 2: up more points than you had in what was just
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  Speaker 2: two bad performances the last two weeks. It actually got worse,
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  Speaker 2: not better. There are some numbers in this one that
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  Speaker 2: just make you shake your head.
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  Speaker 1: And one other one. You know how Hoppy always said, now, Brad,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to get in here, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think you're going to do this one. 110 snaps in
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  Speaker 1: a game is the most in school history. That was 1923.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get into that. Oh, you are going
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  Speaker 1: to get into that.
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  Speaker 2: Because the plays run, the number of plays you ran
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  Speaker 2: is also historic in terms of when the last time
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  Speaker 2: you got that many. So it really was, Tony. It
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  Speaker 2: was incredible to see. And you're right. You look at
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  Speaker 2: that first half and you actually, we do this a
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  Speaker 2: lot in basketball, where you look and you're down by
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  Speaker 2: a couple, but you didn't shoot it well. And they
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  Speaker 2: shot lights out and they made a bunch of threes.
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  Speaker 2: And you say, well, you know what? You're down, but
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  Speaker 2: you really should be down more. You got a chance
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  Speaker 2: in this game. You looked at that first half and
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  Speaker 2: you squandered opportunities. You gave up a scoop and score.
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  Speaker 2: And yet you were still in that game. So you thought,
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  Speaker 2: all right, well, maybe you got a chance in the
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  Speaker 2: second half. And then it was just a complete blown
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  Speaker 2: assignment after blown assignment after blown assignment in the second
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  Speaker 2: half again. And I'll wrap it up with numbers in
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  Speaker 2: a minute. But Tony, you don't need the numbers. You
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  Speaker 2: look at it out there, and it is so jacked
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  Speaker 2: up defensively. There are just guys running underneath, wide open,
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  Speaker 2: big plays with no Mountaineer defender in the area. And
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  Speaker 2: you're really giving yourself... No chance in these games. You
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  Speaker 2: just no chance. The offense is trying, and you got
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  Speaker 2: some good individual performances again from Hawkins and Cook and
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  Speaker 2: Prince Strong. Say hello to him. He had a really
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  Speaker 2: nice game offensively. And Ritz talked about this afterwards, and
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  Speaker 2: I get it. There's so much pressure on this offense.
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  Speaker 2: And you feel it as a fan, right? You feel
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  Speaker 2: it when you're watching the game that there is no
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  Speaker 2: margin for error. You get a couple plays that don't work,
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  Speaker 2: and you feel like, oh, no, there goes the game.
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  Speaker 2: So just another just awful performance on the defensive side. Again,
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  Speaker 2: giving up 52 points. My goodness.
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  Speaker 1: With all of that being said, you are still, believe
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  Speaker 1: it or not, in range to be there. Boy, I'm
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  Speaker 1: coughing a lot. Excuse me. You are still in range
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  Speaker 1: to be there. It's 38-31 Arizona, and you're in the
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  Speaker 1: fourth quarter. You're one score down. And then it unravels.
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  Speaker 1: They go 42 yards on a TD reception. That's 45-31.
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  Speaker 1: They add on another one with 940 to go on
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  Speaker 1: a 30-yard rush that was basically through the shoot and out.
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  Speaker 1: And you lose 52 to 31. And you're going to
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  Speaker 1: get into the numbers, but obviously West Virginia is in
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  Speaker 1: the last three games allowing closer to 50 than they
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  Speaker 1: are 45. It's like 48 points per game in the
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  Speaker 1: last three games.
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  Speaker 2: It's really remarkable. And look, you try and You go
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  Speaker 2: into this game and you have a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: optimism and you try and say, all right, can it
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  Speaker 2: get better in pieces? What pieces can get better? And frankly,
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  Speaker 2: go all the way back to the first play of
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  Speaker 2: the game. And I thought, all right, maybe you have
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  Speaker 2: a little something here. West Virginia absolutely drilled Noah Fafit
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  Speaker 2: on the first play of the game. Now that he
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  Speaker 2: got the handoff away and the play still went for
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  Speaker 2: positive yards. But you thought, all right, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: At least you're getting some pressure. You did see West
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  Speaker 2: Virginia attempt some more pressure, but that didn't work. You
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  Speaker 2: didn't get home. And we talked about it all week.
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  Speaker 2: If Noah Fafit is going to sit back there and
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  Speaker 2: you're not going to affect him and hit him enough,
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  Speaker 2: you've got major problems, and it turned out to be
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  Speaker 2: the case.
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  Speaker 1: They hit him a lot.
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  Speaker 2: There were a few, yeah, unabated to the quarterback big hits.
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  Speaker 1: There was. He's a tough dude because they got some
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  Speaker 1: really big-time shots in on him, and it never flustered
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  Speaker 1: him to the point where he had come out of
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  Speaker 1: the game or impacted, made him throw it quicker. He's
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  Speaker 1: a tough little dude and obviously goes down as the
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  Speaker 1: all-time passing leader in the history of of the school.
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  Speaker 2: Real quick, I thought that was the critical part. You
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  Speaker 2: got three that I can remember really good direct hits
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  Speaker 2: that you got there in a hurry, and you're right.
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  Speaker 2: None of those three affected that actual play, and there
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  Speaker 2: was no cumulative effect either. So you got a couple,
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  Speaker 2: but it certainly wasn't enough to make a difference in him.
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  Speaker 1: If you go back to the Virginia game, they hit
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  Speaker 1: Bo Perbula hard early, and I thought that impacted him
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the way, but it did not do
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  Speaker 1: that to him. All right, just kind of since Hoppy's
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  Speaker 1: not here, And we don't have his obvious observations. Like you,
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  Speaker 1: the fan that watches, I do the same thing that
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  Speaker 1: you do when it's over. It just is nonstop running
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  Speaker 1: through my head. The who, what, where, when, how, why,
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  Speaker 1: how can we fix this? Can this get fixed? I
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  Speaker 1: do the same exact thing. We all do the same
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  Speaker 1: exact thing.
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Because we care, right? And like the only thing that
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  Speaker 1: at this moment that I can come up with is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and this is going to be in Hoppe's
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  Speaker 1: obvious observation category, in that for whatever reason, there is
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  Speaker 1: just this massive disconnect of what's happening on defense. I
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  Speaker 1: think disconnect is the word that is best suited. And
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  Speaker 1: I say that because obviously, These coaches have shown in
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  Speaker 1: past stops that they've had success. In fact, I talked
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  Speaker 1: to an offensive coordinator after yesterday's game who coached against,
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  Speaker 1: an offensive coach who coached against Zach Alley in the past,
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  Speaker 1: ran plays against him, and he said, like, super hard,
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  Speaker 1: super hard to deal with the things that he does.
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  Speaker 1: And so something has gone awry, obviously. And what exactly
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  Speaker 1: that is, the bad part of my little soliloquy here
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  Speaker 1: is I got zero answers. I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, I know this. They don't know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say that there's not answers over
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  Speaker 2: in the facilities building right now, or you would have
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  Speaker 2: had it corrected over the last three weeks.
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  Speaker 1: So, so there's this massive disconnect. You're halfway through your
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  Speaker 1: season and you've got six to go. And at this moment,
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  Speaker 1: The only thing you can do is, from Rich's perspective,
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  Speaker 1: the only thing he can do, and his job is
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  Speaker 1: to do what? His job is to make it as
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  Speaker 1: good as it possibly can be. And again, I don't
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  Speaker 1: have that answer at this moment as to what that is.
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  Speaker 1: And as he said in his post-game press conference, that
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  Speaker 1: it's going to lead to a lot of long conversations
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  Speaker 1: and trying to get to figure this thing out. But
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  Speaker 1: to me, I'm just kind of taken aback because I
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  Speaker 1: can't figure it out as to why it just simply
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  Speaker 1: is as bad as it is. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 1: of epic proportions. I went back and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people talk about the 2012 defense. And there are statistical
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  Speaker 1: similarities between those two groups. Some are better, some are worse,
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  Speaker 1: but they're in the neighborhood. But even that group, even
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  Speaker 1: that group in its last two games held their last
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  Speaker 1: two opponents to 24 and 10. So they actually did
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  Speaker 1: better as the thing went on. So I've got no
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  Speaker 1: golden answer for you. frustrated as you are um stunned
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  Speaker 1: surprised as you are and uh i don't know i
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  Speaker 1: don't know what the remedies will be.
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  Speaker 2: And disappointed and beside yourself as much as sure everybody
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  Speaker 2: is it's it it's now and it was this way
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  Speaker 2: it was that way during oklahoma state but you were
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  Speaker 2: hoping it was a one-off then it happens to an
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  Speaker 2: iowa state team that came into that game and couldn't
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  Speaker 2: move it at all and didn't move it at all
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  Speaker 2: against byu on friday they were they were going in
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  Speaker 2: the fourth quarter there with one of the For Iowa State,
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  Speaker 2: that's a struggling offense that you let run all over you.
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  Speaker 2: Then you get a really talented quarterback in Fafita. But
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  Speaker 2: I think, Tony, you look at this, I'll get into
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  Speaker 2: these numbers too. Without their top three receivers, and if
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  Speaker 2: you didn't know that, you wouldn't have known that by
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  Speaker 2: watching it. It would have had absolutely no effect. And
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  Speaker 2: I think you're right. Clearly nobody has the answers or
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  Speaker 2: they would have fixed something already. It looks like one
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  Speaker 2: of the major issues here, and again, this will fall
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  Speaker 2: under obvious observations. It's all of it. It's all of it.
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  Speaker 2: You're trying to play more coverage than rush. That doesn't work.
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  Speaker 2: You try and rush more than you cover. That didn't work.
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  Speaker 2: The communication clearly between the staff and getting the information
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  Speaker 2: to the players, that must not be working because guys
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  Speaker 2: seem to be in the wrong spot constantly. The ability
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  Speaker 2: to rush the passer and get home is not there.
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  Speaker 2: The ability to stay close to a receiver and cover
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  Speaker 2: and make guys make contested catches, although they did that
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  Speaker 2: some yesterday too, that's not one thing. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: the issue. It's all of the things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Everything you want to identify on defense is not working
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  Speaker 2: right now, and I think that's why the cascading points
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  Speaker 2: in big plays keep coming at you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good way of saying it.
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  Speaker 1: It's everything. And when I say everything, it's literally from
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  Speaker 1: A to Z.
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  Speaker 2: All of it.
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  Speaker 1: And so is it coaching? Yes. Is it teaching? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Is it players' comprehension? Yes. Is it players' execution? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Is it from a recruitment standpoint, are you getting– did
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  Speaker 1: you miss on some kids where you thought you were
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  Speaker 1: going to get a certain level of productivity and you're
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  Speaker 1: not getting that level of productivity? Answer is yes. It's
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  Speaker 1: all of it. And so now the only thing, as
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  Speaker 1: I said, the only thing you could do is to
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  Speaker 1: try to find a massive Band-Aid because guess what? They're
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  Speaker 1: not canceling the last six games. And of the next
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  Speaker 1: six games, the two that are in front of you,
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati and TCU, on paper, are your best chances of winning.
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  Speaker 1: Because if you watched yesterday, you could see you've got
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  Speaker 1: some capable teams that are still coming. And Kansas obviously
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  Speaker 1: has to come here as well. But there's going to
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  Speaker 1: be some significant challenges. So that's kind of my takeaway.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm sharing you with the frustration. On the other
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  Speaker 1: side of it, and we're going to get into this
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  Speaker 1: later on, the offense... And from year one to year
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  Speaker 1: two has shown the improvement that you would have hoped
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  Speaker 1: for it to show. The way that the offense is
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  Speaker 1: playing right now, that's an offense that's probably good enough
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  Speaker 1: to win in the eight-game range. Agree. Right? Agree. So
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  Speaker 1: you won four last year. So offensively, you've elevated it
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  Speaker 1: up to you're probably playing eight-win offense right now. And obviously,
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  Speaker 1: they can still get better. You went from just horrifically
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  Speaker 1: poor rushing of the football. You're number one in the
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  Speaker 1: Big 12 as of going into the game, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure this will only get better. You were third in
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  Speaker 1: the country. You're number two right now in the league
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  Speaker 1: in total offense, and you're number two in scoring offense.
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  Speaker 1: So all you need to do is have a middle-of-the-road
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  Speaker 1: defense out of 16 teams. If you were eighth in
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  Speaker 1: points allowed... you'd be going, we would all be sitting
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  Speaker 1: here going like, okay, things heading in a positive direction.
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  Speaker 2: I think you have two more wins. If you're just eight,
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  Speaker 2: if you're middle of the pack defense, you certainly beat
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  Speaker 2: Iowa State. And I think yesterday, again, given what we said,
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  Speaker 2: you're right in that game too. And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: what's so frustrating. And that's, again, I'll say what I
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  Speaker 2: said last week. I think you're wasting near historic performances,
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  Speaker 2: and they may end up being historic performances from Hawkins
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  Speaker 2: and Cook. And I think the other part of that,
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  Speaker 2: you've added in, DJ Epps has shown the ability to produce.
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  Speaker 2: You saw Prince Strong, as I mentioned earlier, come along.
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  Speaker 2: You've got guys that are showing production on that side.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a perfect offense, and certainly the fumbles hurt
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  Speaker 2: you badly yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Killed you.
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  Speaker 2: But that offense has taken a massive leap forward from
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  Speaker 2: year to one to year two. You just can't get
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  Speaker 2: both sides fixed, and that's been a problem going back
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  Speaker 2: how long? Getting both sides to operate together has been
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  Speaker 2: a challenge for a long time, and I know that
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  Speaker 2: adds to the frustration from all of us when you
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: sit and watch that you– You seem to have one
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  Speaker 2: or the other. You can't get them both rowing in
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  Speaker 2: the same direction at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: how Connelly CPA group is. You can just kind of
• 17:55
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• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Can we run this? And they'll go like, yeah. Just
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: move that guy over there and put this person over here,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: and then you can run it. So check it out,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Connelly CPA group. You know what I always ask you?
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Did you have a number that made you hit your
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: forehead on your desk?
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of them. So I'm sorry in advance.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: This is painful, but let's get through it. Then we'll
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: heal with a little textual healing.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Is this kind of like when the professor and you
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: review the exam that you just took and everyone failed
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: and he said everyone got an F?
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you knew that already. This is
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: another one of those. You don't need me to tell
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: you these numbers to know that it was an F
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: performance yesterday, but we'll Let's get into it, and let's
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: start where we always do. We'll take a look back
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: at what we said on Thursday, which of those things happened,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: which did not. Number one, first thing we asked, Tony,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: can West Virginia's defense show any sign of life? I
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: really did think it would be better. I thought you
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: would see some moments where some of these guys in
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: the defense would stand up, albeit concerned about Fafita coming in.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: The first part we talked about here was that he
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: is a different quarterback under pressure and when he's cleaned.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: 81% of his passes from a clean pocket in terms
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: of completion percentage. Only 48% under pressure was one of
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: the largest drops in conference when you keep him clean
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: versus you hit him. Only seven pressures for the entire game.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: We talked about three of the hits he got. Seven
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: pressures for an entire game. 25 total over the last
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: three games is all you've been able to get. To
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: compare that, you had 18 alone against Virginia. You've had
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: 25 in the last three games. So you're just not
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: doing anything to affect these quarterbacks. Here was one of
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: the jaw-dropping numbers in a bad way. Arizona averaged nine
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: and a half yards per play. And here's what's worse.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: It was 13 yards per play in the second half.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: So again, it was a total, as much as you
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: struggled in the first, the second half, you might as
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: well not even have been out there. 13 yards per
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: play is simply unbelievable. I've used this stat a bunch.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Miami leads the nation at eight yards per play. They
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: got nine and a half for the game and 13
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: in the second half. West Virginia now sits 135th nationally,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: allowing seven yards per play. Just simply can't win doing that.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: This one also was jaw-dropping. Fafita averaged 20 yards per completion.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: 20 yards. So again, you're not just getting nickeled and
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: dimed down the field. There's just wide-open receivers, and teams
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: are just attacking you downfield. There are expected points added,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: and again, this number, expected points added on a play,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: jumps significantly when you have big plays, which they did.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: But per dropback, it was in the 93rd percentile. Just
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: stuff that not even, you can't even say the defense struggled, Tony.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: It's just the defense was as bad as it could
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: be nationally in almost every one of these categories. I
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: mentioned that Arizona was out without their top three receivers.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: It didn't affect them even a little bit. Isaiah Mizell,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: or Mizell, how do you say his name?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Mizell. Mizell.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: 183 on six catches. Tony, he had 119 yards receiving
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: all of last season. He had 176 on the season
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: coming in, and he went for 183 on you. Just again,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: big 12 player of the week type numbers that you're
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: giving up again. And it's not even that you're giving
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: up these jaw-dropping numbers, which is bad enough. It seems
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: like opponents aren't even working that hard to get them, right?
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: It seems really easy. Whatever they want to do, they
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: just do against you. We talked about Arizona's success rate
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: in the passing game coming in. Mentioned that they were
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: 50% passing success rate. And again, that's do you get
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: At least four yards on first down, do you get
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: another three or four on second? Do you convert on
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: third or fourth down? That's success rate, so that's not
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: completion rate. They were 21st out of 138 teams coming
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: into the game at 50%. They increased that against West Virginia.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: They were a 56% success rate with another number. They
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: averaged nearly 14 yards every time they dropped back to pass.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: So those per drop back numbers are just massive. Here's
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: another one. Arizona's final five touchdown drives. Final five. So
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: just the fact you gave up five touchdowns. But the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: final five touchdown drives averaged just 2.8 plays per drive.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: And averaged, consumed an average of only 68 seconds. That's
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: the average of your last five touchdown drives.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at their drives. Four-play drive, a three-play drive,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: a three-play drive, a two-play drive, and a two-play drive.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Averaged a minute and eight seconds for five touchdowns, your
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: final five.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: That's never been done.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: They had the ball for only 10 minutes in the
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: second half and gave up and scored 28 points. Let
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: that sit there for a minute. Had the ball for
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: 10 minutes, gave up 28 points second half. All right,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: second question we asked. Could West Virginia run the ball
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: against an Arizona defense that had simply erased Cincinnati's run game?
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati came into that game two weeks ago running at
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: a clip that was seventh nationally. Could West Virginia run
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: against this Wildcat defense?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: They did.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: They ran for 300 yards again, but got beat by
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: three touchdowns. That's 900 yards rushing in the last three weeks,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: and you're 0-3 in those games. Cook with 141. Hawkins
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: with nearly 100 again. Latimer with his best game as
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: a Mountaineer. He had 55 yards rushing and a touchdown.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Added another 44 on three catches, by the way. So yes,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: you ran the ball successfully. You got to a number
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: that under Rich Rodriguez and, quite frankly, any coach should
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: be enough to win the game, and you just couldn't.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: You put up 31 points and weren't particular. It wasn't
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: the sharpest offensive performance. As I mentioned, you got stopped
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: twice inside the five. You had two turnovers that were
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: both extremely costly. The one is you're marching into score
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: and touchdown. The other led directly to Arizona points with
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: that scoop and score and still got to the numbers
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: you need to get to that normally win you a game.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Hard to look at that. The third thing we talk about,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the betting line. The line stunk, Tony.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: That's what you said, yeah.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Well, the line stunk, but it stunk in the way
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: it should stunk. If you saw that opening line at
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Arizona two and a half, you should have jumped all
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: over it. That wasn't even close. They weren't even remotely
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: close with the line, putting it at two and a half.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: You hoped it went the stinky direction and it would
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: have benefited West Virginia. It did not. It wasn't even close.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: It was a terrible line, but it went the way
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: of Arizona, not in the favor of West Virginia. Talked
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: about the time zone and body clock and the struggles
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: that teams have had coming west to east and starting.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: At nine o'clock.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Absolutely a non-factor in yesterday's game. Didn't affect Arizona in
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the least. Some other numbers. The most important plays of
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the game, again, just statistics that back up what you saw.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: The scoop and score, you lost 19% win probability in
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: that particular play. It's hard to win games when you
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: make that kind of mistake offensively. Again, even though the
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: defense didn't help you, that was a massive mistake offensively
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: to not only lose the football, but then they turn
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: it into points. Afterwards, you also lost another 15% off
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: your potential win probability when you fumbled in the second
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: quarter inside the five-yard line. So massively, massively huge moments
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: with the turnovers.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: That's 14 points right there.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Some other jaw-dropping numbers on it. West Virginia accumulated more
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: total yards, ran twice as many plays, and you still
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: lost the game by three touchdowns. I think that right
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: there is the biggest indictment. Those are usually things that
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: you say. That's how you dominate the game. More yards,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you ran more plays, and you get beat by a
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: lot You referenced those snaps. Well, let's look at it
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: from an offensive play standpoint. You ran 104 offensive plays,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the second most in West Virginia's history. You have to
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: go back to 19 and 23 to match that. 110
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: plays run against Washington and Lee, and go back to
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: 1922 with 101 plays. According to WVU stats, the 104
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: is only the third time in history that you've run
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: more than 100 plays. Ran more than 100 plays, lost.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: When you say these are head-shaking numbers, I literally find
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: myself shaking my head.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: With multiple numbers. I didn't just give you one. I've
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: given you five that you go, what is going on?
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Arizona scored more points than the number of plays they ran.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Ran 51 plays, scored 52 points. They doubled you up
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: on yards per play. I mentioned nine and a half
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: per play to just five for you. Had six plays
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: at 20 yards in the second half. Here's one that
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: you go back. There's a group called Mitten Football. They
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: use the database stat head that fuels that sports reference
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: website that a lot of people use really good. You
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: look at it a lot. Over the course of 4,000
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: games since 1995, teams that rush for 300 or more
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: yards in a game win 89% of the time. You've
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: done it three consecutive weeks and lost all three. That's
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: almost statistically impossible. You've lost all three games in which
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: you've done that. And I would say that's even more
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: true in a Rich Rodriguez offense, right? That's what you're
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: trying to do. That's what that offense is designed to do.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Is run.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: It has, and you've still come away with three losses.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: You mentioned the 2012 defense. Let's look at that a
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: little bit more while we're here. As you mentioned earlier,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: West Virginia's given up nearly 50 points per game over
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: the last three, 138 total points. The last three-game stretch
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: where you gave up this many points... were the final
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: three games of 2018, which was interesting because you remember
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: 2018 is a really good year. Took Oklahoma right to
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the wire. You were almost in the Big 12 championship,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: but you really struggled defensively, giving up 45, 59, and
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: 34 points to finish that season. Go back to 2012.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: You gave up 143 points in three straight games in
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: mid to late October and the first of November. Gave
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: up 49 at Texas Tech, 55 to Kansas State, 39
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: to TCU. for the 143. The 2012 team also had
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: another three-game stretch where it gave up 144. So that
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: was a long season defensively. You're trending in that direction
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: with the first three-game streak as well. You also had
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: one in 2013. So that was a historically bad two-year
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: run defensively. You gave up 73 to Baylor, 37 to
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech, 35 to Kansas State in October of 2013.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: So you're trending in some historically bad territory defensively. A
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: couple positive numbers. We'll try and end with these. Cam
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Cooks now third in the nation in rushing yards, third
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: nationally in missed tackles forced, third nationally in yards after contact.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Michael Hawkins, fifth nationally in rushing yards, number one among quarterbacks,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: leads the nation in rushing touchdowns, sixth nationally in missed
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: tackles forced, number one among quarterbacks, seventh nationally in yards
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: after contact, number one quarterback rushing yards after contact. And
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I'll say again, I think that, of all the frustration,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: that might be near the top of the list. Had
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: we said in August, we thought those two guys were
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: going to be pretty good. You figured Cook would be
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: based on past performance. You had hoped Hawkins would grow
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: into this. I think they have both individually exceeded your expectations.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: If you were 5-1 right now, Michael Hawkins would legitimately
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: be getting Heisman conversation. He would be in the discussion.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: He's putting up national, the best rushing quarterback in the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: country by metrics, not even by view, just metrics. Michael Hawkins,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: the best. If you had told me that in August, Tony,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I would say this team is on its way to
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: a bowl game. And I think that's the part of,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: of all the frustrating things about the defense, not being
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: able to just.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Be, bad.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Don't be historically bad. Just be bad. And I think
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: at least you have another win, right?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: So it's frustrating. Just one last number here. Big 12
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: games from the weekend, there were four teams that ran
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: for 200-plus yards. West Virginia had the most rushing yards
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: of those. Four ran for 200. Three of those won.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: West Virginia was the lone example that didn't. So not
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: a particularly enlightening Spreads on stats, I realize, but guys,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: just some jaw-dropping numbers here that back up what your
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: eyes are seeing.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: A couple of other notes to talk about the historic run,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: no pun intended, that Michael Hawkins is on. He is
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the first WVU quarterback to score a rushing touchdown in
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: six consecutive games since Pat White did it in 07.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: And West Virginia... With 12 touchdowns from Hawkins, the most
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns for the season this is now by a
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: quarterback in the program's history through the first six games
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: of the season. So forget about Rasheed. Forget about Major.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Forget about Pat White. He's got 12 rushing touchdowns, the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: most ever by a WVU quarterback in the first six games.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying. So the defense hasn't just
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: been bad. It's been historically bad. Hawkins is putting up
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: numbers that aren't just really good. They're historically good, and
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: you're still in this free fall of these last three games.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: And to note, again, and you're just kind of putting
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: a few other things out there, but Amari Latimer continues
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: for a young guy to show you that he is
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: going to be a very good player. Didn't get any
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: carries against Iowa State. Comes back, and he gets 13 yesterday,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and he goes for 55 yards against a good Arizona
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: rush defense, or statistically they were coming into the game.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: And he hit for a touchdown. He also caught three
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: balls for 44 yards. So here's a guy that, you know,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: fits into that definition of good ball skills. And, you know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Jack Cassidy stayed perfect on the season in field goals.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: He is now five for five. You mentioned Prince Strawn.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And he averaged 24 yards a catch. Just a whole
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: different looking body type that's out there.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And.
• 31:54
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• 36:00
  Speaker 1: going on Thursday for both the men's team and the
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: women's team, the second year, it's called Ballin' at Woodburn,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: right in the middle of campus, 7 o'clock Monday. thursday
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: night they did the inaugural last year they bring out
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: a basketball court and put it right there in front
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: of woodburn and a bunch of lights and a bunch
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: of fun stuff and we have contests and shooting we
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: introduce the team it's just a bunch of fun so
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: men's women's they'll all be there hope what what is
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: the weather supposed.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: To be supposed to be nice it is yeah it'll
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: be nice.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Oh that's freaking awesome It's a little cooler.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Coming up next Saturday if the forecast holds.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, it does.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: It'll be a good night.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Thursday, 69 for the high during the day. Okay.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Just like it was last year was really good, too.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Rain held off. It was brisk.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: It was fun.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Apparently, too, it's a magical event from this standpoint. Miles
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Sadler was in attendance last year for the ball at
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: a Woodburn event and ended up signing here.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was there last year. First I've
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: heard of that.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Okay. So join us Thursday there. This coming Saturday will
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: be the finale for the season of our food court
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: next to Daniel's Men's Store. We'll do it Friday and Saturday.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: And we're looking for a repeat of Friday's weather. It
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: was unbelievably nice. Great crowd, fun stuff. And we have
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: taken pre-orders almost by accident on the cutter cookies, the oatmeal,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: and the chocolate chip. If anyone wants cookies for the
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: final weekend, just send your number to to textual healing.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: So there you go. Wait a second. Go back to
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: that one picture, Jake. Do you see the one guy
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: that was in that picture? Now that in the middle
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: there between those, among those three, that's the head basketball coach. Yeah.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Ross, Ross Hodge made an appearance.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Ross came in, picked up some Rev Kev barbecue and
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: got one of Cutter's oatmeal pies, then sent word back
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: after about three hours after that was terrific. Very good.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: So Ross was out there. And it was a good,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: fun time. So we appreciate it. I will say this.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Jen saw Jen on Saturday at the food court. She
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: was handing out her cookies. Just couldn't be more appreciative
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: of everybody that orders those and comes by and says
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: hello to her. So she's really enjoyed that. So thanks, everybody,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: that has ordered some Cutter's cookies. Yeah.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: All right, here we go with textual healing. Robin in
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Cumberland had just three words. I'm officially apathetic.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Out.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Mike from Florida writes, this is an in-game text. Simply put,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I am sad. Next texter. I am so done with
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: this team. They can't stop any play. I hate that
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: God made me a WVU fan. I won't be back
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: to Morgantown and waste my hard-earned money. Texter. I'm not
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: convinced our defensive coaching staff can consistently get the most
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: out of the talent West Virginia can realistically afford. They
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: take too many risks with a scheme that demands more
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: than our current personnel are capable of executing. On top
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: of that, this defensive group looks incredibly undisciplined, made even
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: more evident by how much success opponents have had running
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: trick plays against us over the past two games. That
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: was Jason in Charleston, South Carolina. Texter I've always subscribed
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: to the theory that it's not the X's and the O's,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: it's the Jimmy's and the Joe's, particularly in this new
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: age of college football. But defensively, we consistently see players
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: out of position or within execution, and we hear Rich
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: after every game say it's coaching. Is the defensive staff
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: that inept? Is the playbook that complex? After each building
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: poor performance, I'm finding it harder to believe this is
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: a talent issue. What is it? Signed Glenn from Glenn Ferris.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: And I think It's an everything issue. That's what I
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: said earlier. It's an everything.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Again, there's clearly a problem getting guys in the right
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: spot because you're just not. But it's also, this is
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: why it's all of it. There also has to be
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: some players that have the ability to step up and
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: make plays. We just named about four or five on
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: the offensive side that are doing just that. You not
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: only have to be in the right position, I get it,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: and there's some communication breakdowns there clearly, but you also
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: just have to guard your guy. I mean, you can't
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: commit a pass interference play when the ball's not even close.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: You can't do stuff like that. You've got to be
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: somewhere near where your offensive guy is, show some level
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: of ability to cover. And it's all of it is
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: messed up right now, every part of it.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Texter writes, maybe if WVU plays a perfect game, and
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: maybe if the opposing team implodes, WVU might win another game,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: but I seriously doubt those planets will align. Again, Find
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: a win in the remaining schedule. Maybe Kansas, but they
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: look improved. In game, fourth quarter text. Here comes a heater.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: It's time to retire the Coal Rush uniforms. We're about
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: to be 0-3 in uniforms with the Coal Rush. We
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: have to get to the way we were in our best.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Blue helmets, blue jerseys, gold pants. Until we start seriously
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: winning again, let's go where we were, where we came from.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Enough of the coal rush, true blue, even stripe the stadium.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Let's get to who we were at our best before
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: we do any of these promo games. There's a way
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: to honor our coal miners without embarrassing ourselves in a
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: coal rush where the stadium is half empty, Aaron in Pittsburgh.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Everything goes sideways when you lose, doesn't it? Everything. Yeah.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I get it. I understand. What's, what's Kirchhoff always say? Uh,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: what's that thing he says?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Causation correlation.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Yes. Causation correlation. Um, Yeah, everything becomes indicted when it
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't go well. Hey guys, clearly our D had bigger
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: issues than just missing assignments at this point. If that
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: hasn't been fixed, there's a problem with the talent level
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: or the philosophy of coaching. I find it hard to
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: believe that our defensive players are this bad and or
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: have such a low IQ. Having the same glaring problem
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: four out of six games is alarming and there's been
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: no improvement at all. If it all could be fixed,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: it would have been already time to evaluate. The staff.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Texter spreads on stats question. What's the record for the
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: most yards given up by a West Virginia defense in
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: a single season? Are we on pace to set a
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: record for the worst in Mountaineer history? I think you
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: hit several years there, and we'd have to go way back.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: If you want to go way, way back, 60s, 70s,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: and things like that, you'd have to do some seriously
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: deep drilling. But suffice it to say, it's in the
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: neighborhood at this moment. Texter, in my 12 years of
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: being a Mountaineer fan, I can say for certain, this
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: is the most disappointed I've been. This defense is wasting
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: the elite performances of Hawkins and Cook. I'll always be
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: a fan, but change needs to be made quickly. Texter, in-game,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: currently down 52-31. Eager to hear all your thoughts on
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: what went wrong. right for the team today? What can
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: this team consistently hang their head on to work other
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: than inconsistency? Well, again, offense needs to just keep getting better, right?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: And you would attest that, you know, there's situations there,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: those turnovers were just killer yesterday, so they can certainly
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: get better, but just keep getting better. Like anything, you
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: just try to get better as the season goes on. Also,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: is there any remaining game you look at and feel
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: good about getting a W?
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you identified a couple. I mean, let
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: me back up. I don't know that you can say
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: yes at this point, given how you're playing. But I'll
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: do this again, and we'll get into this Thursday as
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: you start to line it up. Didn't love the matchup
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: going against Noah Fafita this week, given what this defense
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: would look like next week. It's a Cincinnati team that
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: has had some success running it, but they're not going
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: to take shots down the field. They're not going to
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: try and pass the ball all over you, unless they
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: look at West Virginia's defense and try and say, well,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: you know what? Everybody's having success. Maybe we should, too.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: which may help you. It's something they don't normally do.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Can you line up and make them one-dimensional and stop
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: the one-dimension? Now, they might run it right through you.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: They've got a couple all-conference offensive linemen. That's been their
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: strength is that offensive front and running behind it. But
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: that's one you look at and say, all right, can
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: you rebound a little bit against a team that wants
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: to run it, run it, and run it some more,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: not necessarily throw.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: It at you. Texter, West Virginia now 2-11 in its
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: last 13 Big 12 games. We've become what Kansas was.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: When the Mountaineers join the league, the worst team in
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: the league, it's sad what WV football has become. Jared
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: in Virginia. Hey guys, I've sat through a ton of
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: WV games in my life already and undoubtedly many more
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: to come. But few, if any, will carry more meaning
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: to me than the Arizona game. I am texting this
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter and I am sitting here watching
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: the game with my grandmother who is in hospice. It
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: is the last time I will be able to see
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: her in person. She doesn't much care about WVU. I'm
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: an alum, but she has enjoyed watching sports on the
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: TV in her final days. The game's outcome is far
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: from ideal, but one day I will forget the turnovers,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: the miscues, and the score. I will never forget the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: time we shared and how much of a blessing it
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: was for me to sit with her for a final time.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Jared in Virginia. Texter. In-game late text, watching this team
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: absolutely feeling frustrated, the C word is needed. But it's
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: not change. The word is continuity. Looking across at Arizona,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: they've got a system in place offensively and defensively where
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: they have players that they don't have to teach the
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: system to every single year. Oklahoma State had a core
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: group that had played together at North Texas. West Virginia...
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: has not had that nucleus. Michael Hawkins coming back in
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: a year or two, being on the same page with
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: the wideouts, building the rapport and the timing, an offensive
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: line that actually has played together for a season, plugging
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: and playing a few players, but not every single position. Defensively,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: leaning on Matt Sig, Cam Torberg, God willing, Darius Wiley,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: leaning on experienced players who have battled in the Big 12.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: This team has shown flashes, expectation, management. This team had
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: 20 new offensive and defensive starters. I think the number... Yesterday,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: just really quick to step off this, West Virginia has
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: now had 29 first-time starters in the lineup this year,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: which is not sustainable. I agree that the players are
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: more athletic and had experience, but they do not have
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: experience playing together. This was going to be a year
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: of growing pains. However, there has been vast improvement. This offense,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: if hitting on all cylinders, dangerous, fun to watch. With that,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: my wife and I will be at the Cincinnati game
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: cheering loud and proudly. Bill in Brewston Mills. Joe in
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Ohio writes, I'm starting to agree with Hoppy. To be
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: a Mountaineer fan is to suffer. Text her. Well, defense
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: did pretty much what we thought coming into today. Changes
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: need to happen. Offense is doing what it should. Defense
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: can't stop a ball rolling up a hill. Anyway, PSA
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: for all Mountaineers coming from southern West Virginia next weekend. Reminder,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: it's bridge day. The New River Gorge Bridge will be
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: shut down very early next week. Plan accordingly so you
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: don't miss the game. Caleb on the edge of the
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: gorge in Fayetteville. Thank you, Caleb.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Nice PSA there.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize bridge day is coming. I know it's
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: in October. When you get into this blur of the season,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I've got a limited basket I can keep thoughts in. Fellas,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: the WV football team has a real, and he writes
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: this out, situation on our hands. But I'll tell you
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: what helps. As long as three guys lets Rev Kev
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: churn out brisket on a biscuit, Brad talks numbers, and
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: homeless Dave keeps pouring the connection 304, the day can't
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: be so bad. Thanks for the hospitality. My buddy and
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I had an excellent time. Now, you got your picture there?
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: How do we get our picture made?
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, these guys were great. We had a great conversation.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: He added, by the way, I sent this picture to
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: my wife. She immediately sent back a photo comparing. This
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: is funny. She sent me back a picture comparing my
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: smile there with Brad, with my smile the day we
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: got engaged. Brad's one. He had a bigger smile when
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: he was next to you than with his wife in
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: the engagement. He said the couch was comfortable last night,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: so he's out. Thank you, fellas.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Great meeting you, and thank you for all the people
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: that stopped by. We were rolling Friday and Saturday. A
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: lot of people stopping by getting brisket on a biscuit
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: and Connection 304s and Cutter's Cookies.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Yep. We'll do it again this weekend. Also, we cut
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: a deal there. Fine looking Phil came out. He basically
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: got some cover zero on him. I heard. You hear
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: about it?
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I heard.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: There were a couple ladies there that demanded that Phil
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: They get mad because their husbands come home with all
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: the exclusive gear. Yeah. And they go, we want some stuff.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: So Phil is going to make a super select small
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: number of items for the females and maybe just like
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: three dozen. of a particular high-quality thing properly tapered. Because sometimes,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: It's a different fit.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you. It's a different fit. And we'll see if
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: they can get that going.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Talk to one of the ladies that was driving that.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: And the two most, the loudest voices in that room
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: on that topic have agreed to take up not only
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: the sales of those, to assist as being the sales force,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: but also to swallow any unused inventory. that comes out
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: of there.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Phil can't lose in that deal.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, so go ahead and give it a try.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Phil can't lose in that deal. All right. That's
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: what we have for you. As I said, this week,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: a reminder, Ballin' at Woodburn comes up on Thursday. Mountaineer
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: basketball on Sunday.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: We'll talk a little hoops on Thursday.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: We'll talk a little hoops, WVU Maryland.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I also had this thought go through my head because,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: as I said, basically my head just spins nonstop. after games, right?
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: And so I thought about basketball. And I thought about
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: the preseason optimism that collectively a lot of people had
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: in football. And I was always holding back, right? I
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: was always saying, let me see him play four games.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Then I'll know what you got. Let me see. I'm
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: going to put the same philosophy toward basketball and just
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: talk about the absolutes at this moment. I'm not going
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: to guess. I'm not going to say, oh, this guy
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: is going to lead the league. I'm going to say this.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: This is the only thing we know about the Mountaineer
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: basketball team. They're taller than they were last year. That's
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: not going to change.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Significantly so.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: They're more athletic than they were last year. Okay. That's
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: about it. They're taller and they're more athletic now. That
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: could lead to some really fun and great things as
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: the season goes on. But I'm also going to tell
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: you that it's like, to use a cooking analogy, Ross
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: has more ingredients in his kitchen than he did a
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: year ago. But all they are right now is ingredients
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: sitting on the kitchen. Putting them together is going to
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: be a process. It's not going to be plug and play,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: and they're not going to go to Maryland next week.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I'd be stunned if they go into Maryland next week,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: and we come out of that thing, and we're just
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: high-stepping and saying, oh, my gosh, they won by 20 points.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: This is going to be a journey, and basketball is
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: a long season. So there are going to be pieces
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: to this thing where certain things aren't good in the beginning,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: and you're just going to have to continue to get
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: better I'll tell you another thing that you can absolutely
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: say right now. The schedule and quantitatively, you could probably
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: even do a stat on this one. How much better
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: and how much more difficult is the schedule going to be?
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: So should you be filled with optimism about basketball, both
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: on the men and the women's side? The answer is yes,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: because you've got my favorite thing, MVP. MVP, more better players.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: You got some talent, both sides.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: More better players. But how the soup ends up tasting...
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: is the TBA, and that's the journey we all go on.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to watch this group. There is significant talent
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: on this team. So you're right from this standpoint. I'll
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: agree with you on they've got to come together. How
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: they battle, how they rebound, how they handle getting punched
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: in the face. Because there'll be some punches in the
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: face coming before you even get to conference play. So
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: I agree with you on that. This is a very,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: very difficult non-conference schedule. I do think that game against Maryland,
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: that might be your first litmus test here. Because if
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: you remember back, Buzz didn't necessarily love coming to the
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Coliseum last year. It was a closed scrimmage and not
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: many people saw it. Honor Huff dropped 10 threes on him.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Trey Eagle Staff dropped six threes on him. That was
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: a first year Buzz Williams team. That's not going to
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: look the same as a second year Buzz Williams program.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: They're going to be tough. They're going to crash the glass.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to find out right away on this West
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  Speaker 2: Virginia team if it's tough enough to handle teams on
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: the board. I think that's a A great test in
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  Speaker 2: game one. Now, whatever comes out of Maryland, good or bad,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: isn't your final product for the whole season. But I
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  Speaker 2: think it's a heck of a test. I'm excited to
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  Speaker 2: watch how this looks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're jumping right into it. You're not
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: going your two D2s, then go play Maryland. You're going like, OK,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: here we go.
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  Speaker 2: A team that's got talent, that is ready to play,
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  Speaker 2: and was embarrassed last year in this game.
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  Speaker 1: And, again, we will have it for you on MSN
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Radio next Sunday. 3 o'clock? 3 o'clock. Is that what
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  Speaker 1: it is?
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  Speaker 2: I believe that's 3 o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's 3, right?
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: It's 3 o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: I'll correct Thursday if I'm wrong, but I think.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: It's 3 o'clock. Next Sunday afternoon. All right. We're back
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  Speaker 1: We'll see you all.