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The Late Debate | 24 July · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late Debates.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: I'm fran Leitch, joined by Holly Hughes and Joe hildurand
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Speaker 3: filling in for Caleb Bond and James McPherson. Here's what's
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Speaker 3: coming up tonight on The Late Debate. A family holiday
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Speaker 3: erupts after a grandmother asks to have dinner with her
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Speaker 3: adult children without their spouses or children. It is dividing
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Speaker 3: the Internet. We'll have our say in the papers, and
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Speaker 3: Aboriginal Land Council lashes the ABC and comedian Sasha Baron
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Speaker 3: Cohen is redefining midlife crisis. Stay tuned for that, but first,
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Speaker 3: A five hundred page advisory opinion by the International Court
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Speaker 3: of Justice has found that a clean environment is now
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Speaker 3: a human right. Countries now have an obligation under international
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Speaker 3: law to prevent climate change, and if they don't, oh well,
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Speaker 3: they'll have to pay reparations. The ICJ also said that
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Speaker 3: using or mining fossil fuels like coal could constitute an
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Speaker 3: international wrongful act. I mean, first, cheap abundant energy makes
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Speaker 3: countries richer, and richer countries.
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Speaker 2: Are better for the environment.
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Speaker 3: Second, if sea levels a rising in Pacific islands like Vanawatu,
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Speaker 3: who led this case in the ICJ because of emissions, Well,
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Speaker 3: how do you actually determine who's responsible Every country that
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Speaker 3: burns fossil fuels or farms or has people who breathe,
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Speaker 3: are they all going to be liable? This is insane
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Speaker 3: And thirdly, good luck trying to convince India, China or
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Speaker 3: Russia to pay compensation. Paris is already dead and net
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Speaker 3: zero twenty fifty is on life support. I mean, Holly,
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Speaker 3: we have seen the UN ruin their credibility for the
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Speaker 3: last two years, but it's been going on longer than that.
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Speaker 3: This surely is the nail in the coffee.
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Speaker 4: I mean, look that got international door means nothing and
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Speaker 4: that no one is actually going to have to abide
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Speaker 4: by this because we're all sovereign nations. But Vanahata was
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Speaker 4: really interesting case. About a year and a half ago,
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Speaker 4: I went to a dinner with the Climate Change envoy
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Speaker 4: as the speaker from Vanauato, and he was probably one
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Speaker 4: of the.
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Speaker 5: Most abominable speakers I've ever heard.
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Speaker 4: People were actively leaving the dinner because he was berating
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Speaker 4: Australia so much, not only for what we were doing
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Speaker 4: within our country but also our export of coal industry,
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Speaker 4: and the host of the dinner I won't name the organization.
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Speaker 4: I was sitting next to their head of government relations,
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Speaker 4: hence why I couldn't walk up, But she's given me
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Speaker 4: a nudge and said, can you ask a question? I
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Speaker 4: know you'll be there, And I stood up and said, look,
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Speaker 4: you've given us a bit of a spanking. I said,
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Speaker 4: but you know GI very close to China as well.
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Speaker 4: Do you stand up and give the same speech to them?
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Speaker 4: Considering the volume of extra coal five power stations they're
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Speaker 4: implementing every week, and if we shut down our industry
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Speaker 4: like coal export, we won't be.
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Speaker 5: Able to give you the aid money we currently do.
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Speaker 4: And it was actually quite funny because the labor member
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Speaker 4: sitting next to me represents a very coal heavy electorate
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Speaker 4: and she was very pleased with the question. But then
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Speaker 4: the Climate Change Commissioner got up and said, well, I
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Speaker 4: never thought i'd say this, but I'm going to ask
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Speaker 4: the same question and make.
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Speaker 5: The same point and said and accusday.
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Speaker 4: So I don't think the Climate Change Commission and I've
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Speaker 4: ever been on the same page ever before. But van
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Speaker 4: Awatu seemed to be the ones pushing this barrow very
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Speaker 4: very hard. And I would suggest they're being funded by
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Speaker 4: China to push a lot of this forward through international
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Speaker 4: bodies so that they can continue to denigrate their neighbors
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Speaker 4: in the Pacific and other Western nations, because again, as
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Speaker 4: I said and asked him the question, they don't dare
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Speaker 4: say this to China.
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Speaker 6: But it's such a ridiculous thing to say, like this
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Speaker 6: is the thing. So you say, all right, you know,
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Speaker 6: a clean environment as a human right, Thanks International Court
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Speaker 6: of Justice, Thanks for that. You know, you can say
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Speaker 6: the same thing. You know, freedom from hunger, you know,
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Speaker 6: being able to you know, freedom from starvation, being able
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Speaker 6: to have enough food is a universal human right. Well great,
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Speaker 6: but unless you've actually got the farms producing the food,
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Speaker 6: that means nothing. If you've got a famine you know
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Speaker 6: in the eighties in Ethiopia, or if you've gotwander and
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Speaker 6: Burundi slaughtering each other and so there's no arable farmland,
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Speaker 6: or you know, like it doesn't like, what is the
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Speaker 6: point of making these things rights unless you've actually got
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Speaker 6: a mechanism to actually deliver a result. And this is
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Speaker 6: the whole thing, And this is what I don't understand
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Speaker 6: all this argument about what the target should be, or
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Speaker 6: you know, should we have a harder target on twenty
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Speaker 6: thirty or should we get rid of targets altogether.
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Speaker 1: Well, we're already building as much. I'm all for it.
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Speaker 6: I know the farmers are going through a lot and
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Speaker 6: there's a lot of opposition, but I think it is
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Speaker 6: something we need to do. But you know, we're already
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Speaker 6: building as much as we can. And frankly, you know
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Speaker 6: there's some stuff that we're not building because we can't
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Speaker 6: because investors are pulling out, or.
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Speaker 4: Green hyghen building on power station. So the point low
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Speaker 4: emissions full five bringing back sure.
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Speaker 6: But again this is the thing, like all this argument
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Speaker 6: over these abstract concepts just a complete.
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Speaker 3: And utter waste of ste Yeah, and the reality is
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Speaker 3: as well, is that cheap energy lifts people out of poverty.
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Speaker 3: And if you're not burning coal, you're burning wood and
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Speaker 3: that is way world Well, counter that is way worse
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Speaker 3: for the environment. How many thousands or even millions of
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Speaker 3: people die in developing countries from inhaling kerosene gases would
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Speaker 3: fire pollution because they don't have cheap and abundant energy.
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Speaker 3: Energy is what creates prosperity. So what lifts people out
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Speaker 3: of poverty. It can find the land reclamation for these
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Speaker 3: Pacific islands that are sinking into the sea. But they
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Speaker 3: need to be developed and prosperous first. And for that,
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry you need fossil fuels.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean the.
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Speaker 4: Reason with some of these nations as well is they
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Speaker 4: actually operate on a traditional system, which is a barta system,
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Speaker 4: so they don't actually have a taxation method within their
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Speaker 4: own countries.
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Speaker 5: So that is certainly the case in Batiwatu.
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Speaker 4: So it's they're actually struggling themselves as a government to
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Speaker 4: fund any sort of program that would assist them because
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Speaker 4: most of their economy is driven by a traditional bart at.
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Speaker 6: Although purely we could have a much fairer system whereby
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Speaker 6: Indian peasants who are still forced to burn wood could
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Speaker 6: pay reparations to millionaire villa owners in Vanuatu and the book,
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Speaker 6: I mean, that just makes sense, doesn't that That's just fairness?
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Speaker 6: All right, let's get onto something speaking of socialism, The
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Speaker 6: Greens leader Larissa Waters has admitted on national television that
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Speaker 6: she hasn't actually read the Reasons Why. The Greens co
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Speaker 6: founder Drew Hutton and again this is not satire. I'm
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Speaker 6: not making this up. Was expelled by her own party
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Speaker 6: despite having already previously said that she supports said decision.
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Speaker 6: And again I am not making this up. We even
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Speaker 6: have the proof this is her on the seven thirty.
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Speaker 7: You can have a robust debate and there's lots of
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Speaker 7: differences of opinion when party members are actually debating and
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Speaker 7: formulating our policies, but you can't do that in a
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Speaker 7: respectful manner. And that's what our code of conduct is.
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Speaker 3: That your issue with him, that he the manner in
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Speaker 3: which he did it, all the views that he was expressing.
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Speaker 5: Why how has he been expelled?
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Speaker 7: Well, look, I wasn't part of that process, and Sarah,
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Speaker 7: that was a process that the party ran. You must
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Speaker 7: know the reasons that were well, I underpinded. I haven't
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Speaker 7: read the documentation.
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Speaker 6: So I don't know why the founder of my party
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Speaker 6: was expelled because it wasn't me that did it.
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Speaker 1: It was a mysterious kabar. Was this Queensland The Queensland Greens.
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Speaker 5: State she's a Queensland senator.
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Speaker 6: And she is a Senator for Queensland, but apparently not
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Speaker 6: on the state council. I don't think we actually know
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Speaker 6: who's on the State Council because the Greens are so
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Speaker 6: incredibly stalinistically secretive about their internal workings. But it's good
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Speaker 6: to know that you can have a respectful debate about
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Speaker 6: these issues in the Greens Party, except if you're on
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Speaker 6: the wrong side of that debate, you will be automatically expelled,
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Speaker 6: whether you founded the party or not.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's what's so silly. She implies that this is
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Speaker 3: somehow about respect. But in the Greens Code of Conduct,
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Speaker 3: if you question trans ideology, if you even point out
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Speaker 3: that there are two sexes, male and female, that is
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Speaker 3: grounds for automatic expulsion. So I think even the reporter
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Speaker 3: here from the ABC didn't do a great job at
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Speaker 3: actually targeting that aspect.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the key there.
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Speaker 3: In the code of conduct, there is no freedom of speech.
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Speaker 6: No, that's exactly right, and so this is something that
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Speaker 6: very very few people can get their head around again,
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Speaker 6: because the Greens are so secretive and shameless. Plug but
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Speaker 6: Jeremy Buckingham have basically got the same treatment. A former
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Speaker 6: New South Wales Upper House MP who was basically about
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Speaker 6: to be expelled for freedom of thought and decided to
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Speaker 6: jump and said screw you, guys, I'm going huh. He
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Speaker 6: is now the founder of the Legalized Cannabis Party, which
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Speaker 6: is much more fun, but he was. He's on my
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Speaker 6: podcast this week, The Real Story with Joe coild Brand
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Speaker 6: and get it now wherever you getting pat and he
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Speaker 6: and he basically breaks down what goes on. And so
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Speaker 6: there's there are people in the Greens. There's a thing
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Speaker 6: called but it's not correct thinking. You're not thinking correctly.
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Speaker 6: So this is a mindset.
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Speaker 5: God that is.
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Speaker 6: It's George orwell it's wrong thing. So you're victor a
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Speaker 6: wrong thing. No, it's not at the base you are
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Speaker 6: thinking the wrong way. Therefore you cannot be a part
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Speaker 6: of this. And again all of this happens behind closed doors.
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Speaker 6: There is no accountability whatsoever. Even the leader doesn't seem
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Speaker 6: to know what is going on in her own party.
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Speaker 6: And of course if she doesn't toe the line this
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Speaker 6: is and this is the really embarrassing thing. If she
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Speaker 6: says anything but what she just did on the seven
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Speaker 6: thirty report, maybe she'd be gone as well.
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Speaker 1: They's prefer because the actual hard line do you.
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Speaker 5: Use the term turf.
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Speaker 6: Radical feminists, But the Greens have basically been hollowed out
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Speaker 6: by former members of the Communist Party of Australia after
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Speaker 6: it basically collapsed with the Berlin Wars.
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Speaker 4: So do they have and I used to refer to
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Speaker 4: this in the Senate like almost an inverted triangle of.
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Speaker 5: If what they had were values?
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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think they actually have many values,
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Speaker 4: the Unicorn farmers, but they sort of had this pyramid
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Speaker 4: of values and it's sort of very very top used
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Speaker 4: to be climate change and action on climate change, and
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Speaker 4: then you had the gender ideology issues and then you know,
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Speaker 4: as you sort of went down the list, environments almost
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Speaker 4: right down the bottom. But you then have things like
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Speaker 4: indigenous issues. So when you look at things like the
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Speaker 4: wind turbines that are actually being opposed by indigenous groups
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Speaker 4: because they're going to impact indigenous heritage areas.
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Speaker 5: Do the Greens know which way they go on these issues?
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Speaker 4: Because are they pro indigenous land right? Are they pro winnings?
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Speaker 6: Because they've never had to compromise, They've never had to
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Speaker 6: find pragmatic solution that pleases different groups, and so they
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Speaker 6: just have an extremely strict set of orthodoxy of which
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Speaker 6: you either adhere to all of it or you're taking
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Speaker 6: out the back of shot. And that's what happened to
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Speaker 6: Drew Hartney taken out the back of shots anti War Party.
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Speaker 3: As you are, exactly and for all they're talking about intersectionality.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 3: When there actually are intersectional values, they have no idea
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Speaker 3: how to respond, and they sort of just break down
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Speaker 3: and combust.
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Speaker 5: They just don't know.
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Speaker 4: They don't because you know, when you don't stand for anything,
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Speaker 4: you know, you just can't have a coherent argument or
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Speaker 4: a debate on any issue. And they just stand there
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Speaker 4: and hysterically scream on their Bailey Wick issues of the day.
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Speaker 4: And the problem is is these issues will change, you know,
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Speaker 4: they will change and transform as we go through And
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Speaker 4: you know what are all the lesbians doing in the
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Speaker 4: greens at the moment who want women only space?
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Speaker 6: But this is the thing, it will always just be
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Speaker 6: the latest sort of cool hip ideology. I was actually
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Speaker 6: just listening to a podcast about the Marquis Dessard, you know,
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Speaker 6: the guy who is in too Say it Is and
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Speaker 6: horrendous sexual practices and was a very senior figure in
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Speaker 6: revolutionary France.
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Speaker 1: But again, they had this.
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Speaker 6: Idea that you had to keep looking for the next oppression,
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Speaker 6: keep looking for the next oppression, and then that becomes
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Speaker 6: a new vanguard, and so you know, now it's trans rites.
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Speaker 6: You know, on Palestine. In a decade from now, it
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Speaker 6: will be something completely different, and every single person who
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Speaker 6: doesn't immediately sign up to it again taking out the back.
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Speaker 4: And so moving on though, and in the same vein
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Speaker 4: you know, not all car rides are created equal, whether
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Speaker 4: it's the awkward small talk or the questionable music choices.
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Speaker 4: But in a bid to make its platform more safe,
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Speaker 4: offer more options and choices, Uber is about to trial
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Speaker 4: in San Francisco, LA and Detroit women being able to
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Speaker 4: select women drivers. So well, you know, when you read
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Speaker 4: into this it does actually include non binary people. So
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Speaker 4: you can imagine now how that's going to work. People
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Speaker 4: will identify as a woman for a woman driver for
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Speaker 4: the duration of the right. But this is something that's
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Speaker 4: been trialed to keep the safety of the platform. And
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Speaker 4: this comes off the back of them trialing something similar
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Speaker 4: in Saudi Arabia because God forbid, women over there were
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Speaker 4: allowed to drive, so all of a sudden they had
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Speaker 4: to have a separate platform in Uber so that women
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Speaker 4: drivers could only pick up female passengers. And I mean,
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Speaker 4: this is just a continuation of the extraordinary.
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Speaker 5: I think it's terrible that.
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Speaker 4: We're getting to a stage where women are saying I
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Speaker 4: don't want to be in a car with a man.
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Speaker 4: Ten years ago, Uber had twenty percent of its drivers
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Speaker 4: were female. They haven't sort of released any update that
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Speaker 4: I've seen since then. But how much longer you're going
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Speaker 4: to have to wait to pay for the privilege to have.
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Speaker 5: A female Uber driver?
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Speaker 4: But you know, when I was younger, being the old
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Speaker 4: one on the panel, I'll take one thing.
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Speaker 5: You know, when I was growing up in the internet
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Speaker 5: sort of started to blow up.
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Speaker 4: It was, you know, don't talk strangers online and never
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Speaker 4: get in a car with a stranger.
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Speaker 5: And now our lives can.
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Speaker 4: Entirely which perhaps things move on. Our lives now revolve
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Speaker 4: around talking to strangers online and then getting in cars
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Speaker 4: with them.
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Speaker 5: So the world is on its head. But now Uber
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Speaker 5: is moving towards a female only platform.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that is just such a great point.
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Speaker 3: But the key problem is here, how are they going
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Speaker 3: to define a woman? So apparently when you join the
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Speaker 3: platform you have to sign some sort of gender declaration
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Speaker 3: form to say you're a woman.
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Speaker 2: But how are they going to police it? How are
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Speaker 2: they going to know.
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Speaker 3: I bet you the woke left wing San Francisco Silicon
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Speaker 3: Valley execs and Uber have not thought this gone through
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Speaker 3: because someone needs to get up there at a press
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Speaker 3: conference or something and ask, so, what is a woman?
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Speaker 3: And I would say, if you're already including non binary
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Speaker 3: people in your list of people who can take the
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Speaker 3: woman's ride, you don't have a very good definition there.
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Speaker 6: I just can't wait for all the court cases on
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Speaker 6: this file. And I've already just been talking about you
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Speaker 6: people saying well, they are a woman, so they should
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Speaker 6: be in women's chats groups and anyone who tries to
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Speaker 6: exclude them out is transphobic. And we'll see you that
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Speaker 6: court case lands. When do you reckon it's going to
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Speaker 6: you know, what's what is going to happen When someone
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Speaker 6: says I want want to my only driver, you know,
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Speaker 6: you get someone who's biologically male or they don't feel
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Speaker 6: safe or whatever, and then they say, oh no, I'm
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Speaker 6: not getting into Is then that an active discrimination on
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Speaker 6: the part of the customer.
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Speaker 4: But they get to put on a pink tax because
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Speaker 4: we know with women, you know, and they've talked about
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Speaker 4: whether it's deoda and or it's shavers or anything. As
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Speaker 4: soon as it's for women, it's more expensive. So is
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Speaker 4: getting a woman only driver going to cost you more?
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Speaker 4: And they'll have a pink tax on top of it.
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Speaker 6: I think you would, wouldn't you? Obviously I'm all for
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Speaker 6: it because it means it becomes quicker. It just drives
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Speaker 6: past all the Do.
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Speaker 5: You think the cars will be cleaner or they smell again?
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Speaker 6: I don't think they've thought it through because it's all
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Speaker 6: very well to say, you know, you know I want
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Speaker 6: a female driver, But what happens if they need a
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Speaker 6: reverse park?
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Speaker 3: Well, one's going to be my other question? Can you
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Speaker 3: request a male because I don't know. Some people have
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Speaker 3: some biases about which is the better sex at driving. Statistically,
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Speaker 3: I will say this, women are better drivers. Men get
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Speaker 3: into more fatal car accidents.
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Speaker 1: Safe for drivers, more risk taking.
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Speaker 2: It's safer, does not equal better?
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Speaker 6: Nah, God no, who wants I like to live on
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Speaker 6: the edge. You know you never know if you're going.
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Speaker 3: To make it or not, and we won't talk about
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Speaker 3: your license. Joe well hearing news joy public transport. You
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Speaker 3: will enjoy public transport, and so will the rest of
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Speaker 3: New South Wales will enjoy public transport and waiting a
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Speaker 3: long time for our trains to arrive. New data shows
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Speaker 3: that since Chris Mins became premier here in New South Wales,
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Speaker 3: trains running on time have gone through the floor. Under
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Speaker 3: the previous Liberal government, around ninety percent of trains ran
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Speaker 3: on time. Now it's around eighty percent. That is a
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Speaker 3: shocking collapse. And this comes after two years of industrial
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Speaker 3: action by the unions, which has culminated in a twelve
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Speaker 3: percent pay rise, extra allowances for things like removing dead
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Speaker 3: animals off the tracks, and backdated pay back to May
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four at that higher rate. I mean, seriously, Joe,
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Speaker 3: I know you love Chris miss I know you do,
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Speaker 3: but this would seem to be the only job where
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Speaker 3: you can be objectively bad, worse than before, less trains
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Speaker 3: running on time, less reliable services, and still get a
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Speaker 3: pay rise.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I suppose the reason why all the trains were like,
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Speaker 6: the services were disrupted is the reason why they got
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Speaker 6: the pay rise, not because they were great at their job,
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Speaker 6: because they were holding the state.
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Speaker 2: Marian is the problem with unions.
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Speaker 4: It's not they're all capitulating to The unions would have
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Speaker 4: an outcome, right.
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Speaker 1: There's no question about that. But I mean, I'm pretty
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Speaker 1: sure I assume the huge drop.
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Speaker 6: In the on time running performance is because of all
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Speaker 6: that industrial actions where they went on not just strikes,
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Speaker 6: but actual ghost slows where they would only sort of
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Speaker 6: work the bare minimum of services, wouldn't do any overtime
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Speaker 6: stuff like that, and that's obviously going to have a
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Speaker 6: knock on effect of performance.
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Speaker 4: Oski job, you haven't done the John Grahame and gone
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Speaker 4: it's all the Liberals fault, all the liberals we made
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Speaker 4: the government for three years.
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Speaker 6: Ex message from Christmith. It's all the Liberals fault, right.
18:09
Speaker 5: Thanks Chris.
18:09
Speaker 6: But no, I'm sure, I'm sure I meant to be
18:11
Speaker 6: the first to admit that and say that hopefully that
18:14
Speaker 6: that is all now that dust relaction only ended a
18:16
Speaker 6: few months ago, and hopefully that is now all behind us.
18:18
Speaker 6: And again the unions might have been sort of too
18:22
Speaker 6: smart by half or played too hard ball because they've
18:25
Speaker 6: sort of dealt themselves out of a job because now
18:27
Speaker 6: as we know, the new metro trains that are going
18:29
Speaker 6: to be all the future of the Sydney.
18:32
Speaker 1: Rail network, they're all going to be driverless. And they did.
18:34
Speaker 6: Man, guys got people who sort of stand around for
18:39
Speaker 6: sort of customer safety and reassurance and security.
18:43
Speaker 1: But that won't last.
18:45
Speaker 4: Seriously, my fourteen year old is the king of the Metros.
18:48
Speaker 4: He is extraordinary the way he gets himself around Sydney
18:50
Speaker 4: and those metros.
18:51
Speaker 5: I could maybe get him a job.
18:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, most people just standing there for calm and safety
18:56
Speaker 4: because he knows them better than anyone.
18:57
Speaker 2: No, you're really good. But this is the problem, and
18:59
Speaker 2: this is the risk of unions.
19:00
Speaker 3: Right once you start giving them one thing, well, the
19:03
Speaker 3: other unions are all going to look at that and go, hey,
19:05
Speaker 3: you managed to get an extra buck out of the
19:07
Speaker 3: government by making everyone's laves miserable.
19:09
Speaker 2: We should try that too.
19:11
Speaker 3: And you know what they say, don't negotiate with terrorists
19:13
Speaker 3: when you're being held hostage by unions, don't negotiate.
19:17
Speaker 1: That is absolutely right.
19:17
Speaker 6: And again that's why there was so much disruption because
19:19
Speaker 6: the government was holding out as much as it possibly could.
19:23
Speaker 6: But there's another category of people you should never negotiate
19:26
Speaker 6: with because you're simply held to ransom.
19:28
Speaker 1: Not just unions, not just terrorists, but the French.
19:32
Speaker 6: Yes, the French are added again, these cheese eating surrender monkeys.
19:35
Speaker 6: They brought you Napoleon, they brought you the Emperor Maximilian
19:38
Speaker 6: of Mexico, they brought you the Vietnam War, and now
19:41
Speaker 6: they are bringing you fifty percent higher prices if you
19:45
Speaker 6: are a visitor to Paris.
19:48
Speaker 1: We've actually got proof.
19:49
Speaker 6: Someone has gone undercover from the Daily Mail, a great
19:52
Speaker 6: newspaper of record, and they've found that foreign tourists in
19:56
Speaker 6: Paris are being charged as much as fifty percent more
20:00
Speaker 6: than French customers the city's leading newspaper, La Parisian. So
20:05
Speaker 6: they're not just French, they're not just overcharging people, but
20:09
Speaker 6: they're also traitors because La Parisian is betraying its own
20:14
Speaker 6: ripoff merchants in the city of Paris found that several
20:17
Speaker 6: tourists from outside of France I've been posting complaints online
20:20
Speaker 6: about being overcharged. They sent out a Parisian to the
20:23
Speaker 6: champ de Mars, and they dressed up one of their
20:27
Speaker 6: reporters as an American tourist and directed them at the
20:30
Speaker 6: same cafe. And then one of them was just dressed
20:32
Speaker 6: as your usual sort of you know, hairy, mustachioed kind
20:36
Speaker 6: of French lady, and they found that, yes, indeed, so
20:42
Speaker 6: in one cafe they went to the exact same cafe.
20:45
Speaker 6: Water was free for a French customer, but they were
20:48
Speaker 6: charging six euros for water to an American tourists Coca cola,
20:54
Speaker 6: or as they call it in France, Coca cola six
20:58
Speaker 6: dollars fifty euro six euro fifty, whereas in the American
21:03
Speaker 6: tourist was charged.
21:04
Speaker 1: Nine fifty euros.
21:06
Speaker 6: Just absolutely so the title was six fifty versus fifteen fifty,
21:10
Speaker 6: more than double for the poor old Americans. I mean
21:13
Speaker 6: they're already suffering enough. I mean they try, you know,
21:16
Speaker 6: they try to escape Donald Trump. Then they get whacked
21:18
Speaker 6: with Maybe it serves them right for not being isolationists.
21:21
Speaker 6: Maybe they should be back home.
21:22
Speaker 2: Well, it's so funny.
21:23
Speaker 3: I grew up in Canada for like five years, and
21:26
Speaker 3: it was hilarious because when Canadians travel, a lot of
21:30
Speaker 3: them wear a little Canadian flag pin. So people don't
21:34
Speaker 3: think they're American, because no one internationally wants you to
21:38
Speaker 3: think you're American because they know you're going to be
21:42
Speaker 3: charged more, you're not going to get great service. But
21:44
Speaker 3: I will say this is daylight robbery. There was another
21:48
Speaker 3: example where the waiter when someone was paying that you
21:52
Speaker 3: have to tip in France, they wanted to tip ten
21:54
Speaker 3: percent the way to turn around the little card machine
21:58
Speaker 3: and put fifteen percent in and.
21:59
Speaker 2: They gave it back to them.
22:00
Speaker 3: I mean, at what point is it genuinely robbery?
22:03
Speaker 4: Well, and Macron has just made tips tax free over there,
22:07
Speaker 4: so there's an added incentive for the French waiters and
22:09
Speaker 4: hospitality staff to get those tips coming in because any
22:12
Speaker 4: income they earn is tax free over there. But I've
22:15
Speaker 4: noticed even in Australia the cheeky tips. You know, we
22:18
Speaker 4: don't have a tipping system per se. And I'm very
22:21
Speaker 4: happy to tip if I get extraordinary service and someone
22:24
Speaker 4: is amazing, but when you either a don't get service
22:28
Speaker 4: or you don't get very much service at all, and
22:31
Speaker 4: then they sort of put it out there and stand
22:33
Speaker 4: watching you with the tips screen them up and you're like,
22:37
Speaker 4: but then I realize I'm a big girl, and I
22:39
Speaker 4: go zero or no tip, and they can scale at
22:43
Speaker 4: me all my life because normally I'm not planning to
22:45
Speaker 4: go back, do you know?
22:46
Speaker 6: Though, it's not just I'm sorry to have to say this,
22:49
Speaker 6: it's not, by the way, this is America who bailed
22:51
Speaker 6: them out of Vietnam after the entire little.
22:53
Speaker 4: Well we should also do well one, and we really exactly.
22:57
Speaker 6: Right not to mention save them from us French God,
23:02
Speaker 6: but not just the French, who do it? Do you
23:05
Speaker 6: know what Napoleon did? I'll tell you another thing. Do
23:07
Speaker 6: you know what Napoleon did? He tried to reintroduce slavery
23:11
Speaker 6: in Haiti, after the slaves themselves became the only the
23:14
Speaker 6: only place in history where the slaves have actually risen
23:17
Speaker 6: up of their own court and overthrowing their masters was Haiti.
23:20
Speaker 6: They overthrew the French because the French were worse.
23:22
Speaker 1: Than anybody else.
23:23
Speaker 6: And Napoleon, that great, you know, son of Enlightenment, son
23:27
Speaker 6: of the Revolution.
23:28
Speaker 1: The first thing he did was try to make all
23:30
Speaker 1: the slaves go back.
23:32
Speaker 5: Well, I'm not going to go.
23:33
Speaker 4: I've met many Francophiles in my time, but I think
23:36
Speaker 4: you are the anti file that has been well and
23:40
Speaker 4: truly going downhill.
23:41
Speaker 1: And Charlemagne, no.
23:43
Speaker 4: Doubt anyone's mind, France is not on your bucket, least
23:46
Speaker 4: for a night.
23:47
Speaker 6: But did you know that in Fiji as well, there
23:49
Speaker 6: are local and tourist prices. So if you go to
23:52
Speaker 6: one of the big mega mega mega mega mega resorts,
23:57
Speaker 6: there like a six famous fantastic star resorts, which.
24:00
Speaker 1: Because my sisters were. If basically, if you book.
24:04
Speaker 6: It, call up and book it from Fiji, as someone
24:06
Speaker 6: who lives in Fiji, it's about half the price of
24:09
Speaker 6: when you book it.
24:10
Speaker 3: See, I just think that's wrong. I think that is
24:12
Speaker 3: so wrong.
24:12
Speaker 1: And I think half the price I was really happy.
24:15
Speaker 3: Oh it's great if you're a local benefiting from it.
24:18
Speaker 3: But eventually people will realize the reputation of somewhere like
24:22
Speaker 3: France will be so bad, particularly Paris, but people won't
24:25
Speaker 3: want to go there.
24:27
Speaker 4: Look, and I be part of the attraction is Paris,
24:29
Speaker 4: to go for the road French.
24:31
Speaker 5: I just think that's I'm glad you appreciate it.
24:34
Speaker 4: You know, Paris is one of the most beautiful cities
24:36
Speaker 4: in the world. And if you've got to deal with
24:37
Speaker 4: the odd broad later, I think it's fine, and it's
24:41
Speaker 4: part of the experience. And if you're eating on the
24:43
Speaker 4: shops and we say you probably deserve it because it's
24:45
Speaker 4: tourist central, and then you know, get down to the.
24:47
Speaker 1: South front, say you can shop my right.
24:51
Speaker 4: Well, look we all know, Joe, and you would be
24:54
Speaker 4: well and truly aware of this. No one is happy
24:57
Speaker 4: if mummy is not happy, but he's this grandma gone
25:01
Speaker 4: a little bit too far. She has sent out the
25:05
Speaker 4: eat it to her family, who are all going away
25:07
Speaker 4: on family vacation, that she wants to host a dinner
25:10
Speaker 4: for her grown up children.
25:12
Speaker 5: Only. Now, I can understand not wanting.
25:15
Speaker 4: The grandkids to necessarily attend if it's a grown up
25:18
Speaker 4: dinner and the children's behavior may not be up to
25:21
Speaker 4: the standard of the venue that they're attending. But this
25:24
Speaker 4: grandma has also banned the spouses her children.
25:29
Speaker 5: And what's really great.
25:31
Speaker 4: These aren't new spouses. These aren't boyfriends that have been
25:34
Speaker 4: around for a couple of weeks or girlfriends that have
25:36
Speaker 4: been on and off for six months. Or this is
25:39
Speaker 4: a spouse who's been married for twenty years and she's
25:44
Speaker 4: been told by her mother that her husband cannot attend
25:47
Speaker 4: the dinner. And it has divided the Internet on whether
25:52
Speaker 4: or not she is within her rights to do this. Now,
25:55
Speaker 4: you know, for those of us that have had in laws,
25:57
Speaker 4: some great, some not so great, you can understand why
25:59
Speaker 4: as the in law or the spouse of the child,
26:02
Speaker 4: you may want to vacate.
26:04
Speaker 5: Yourself from that dinner.
26:06
Speaker 4: But to not have the option to go and I
26:08
Speaker 4: think when it is a twenty young relationship that clearly
26:12
Speaker 4: has also produced some grandchildren for this woman to not
26:15
Speaker 4: invite the spouses, and this has been an ongoing thing.
26:18
Speaker 4: This isn't a one off, This isn't a special I
26:20
Speaker 4: just want to have a bit of a night with
26:22
Speaker 4: my own nuclear kids family. This has been going on
26:26
Speaker 4: for years and has really quite been hurtful and isolating
26:29
Speaker 4: to some.
26:31
Speaker 6: I am with Grandma what I just want to have
26:34
Speaker 6: with my kids. You know, I didn't have you. You
26:37
Speaker 6: didn't come out of my who I think.
26:40
Speaker 1: I want to be with my kids.
26:41
Speaker 6: It's great that you're have it's great that you're happy
26:43
Speaker 6: with your husband, and that you know you've got beautiful grandkids.
26:47
Speaker 1: And I like them too, but you know I didn't
26:49
Speaker 1: marry them. I want to see my children.
26:50
Speaker 3: But I feel like there's a more diplomatic way you
26:53
Speaker 3: can go about that, where you can said you can.
26:57
Speaker 4: Say hey, diplomatic is not a word used to.
26:59
Speaker 3: Describe diplomatic, no, but you could say, hey, I want
27:03
Speaker 3: to let's grab a let's grab brunch, Let's do something casual.
27:07
Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be great if we just caught up the
27:09
Speaker 3: four of us or the three of us. I think
27:12
Speaker 3: saying this is a family dinner, and even though you've
27:15
Speaker 3: been married for twenty years and you have my grandchildren,
27:18
Speaker 3: you are not in the family enough to attend this dinner.
27:21
Speaker 3: I mean, that is brutal. I get it for boyfriends
27:24
Speaker 3: and girlfriends who've been around for two minutes.
27:26
Speaker 5: When there's been a bit of a revolving door, you.
27:28
Speaker 3: Know, and a bit of drama, and everyone in the
27:30
Speaker 3: family knows the drama, and everyone's sitting there the entire event, going,
27:34
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, okay, I have to deal with you
27:36
Speaker 3: for three more weeks, so you guys break up again.
27:38
Speaker 2: I mean, that's annoying.
27:39
Speaker 3: And when they can't get out of family photos, that's annoying.
27:42
Speaker 3: And you have to take extra photos, one with the girlfriend,
27:45
Speaker 3: one without in case they break up.
27:46
Speaker 1: But in this war it has been going on in
27:49
Speaker 1: your law.
27:51
Speaker 2: You can ask my brother.
27:52
Speaker 4: I need the stories about the wedding photos. Someone bought
27:56
Speaker 4: the current girlfriend or boyfriend to the wedding and they
27:59
Speaker 4: read all the photo.
28:00
Speaker 5: And then you know, two.
28:02
Speaker 4: Years later, no one can remember the name that happened.
28:11
Speaker 2: She's answered something.
28:12
Speaker 4: The fact that this has been ongoing, it's pausing a
28:14
Speaker 4: rift in the family, and I think, you know, maybe
28:16
Speaker 4: Grandma has overstepped the mark.
28:18
Speaker 1: Just a little bitty guns, Grandma stick toy guns.
28:21
Speaker 3: But look it does. Holly actually brought this up before
28:24
Speaker 3: the show. I haven't seen this movie, but it is
28:26
Speaker 3: a classic. I'm told so I have some weekend homework.
28:30
Speaker 3: It's from a movie called Mama.
28:36
Speaker 5: This is what happens when we let the young ones on.
28:38
Speaker 1: That's right.
28:39
Speaker 6: You don't say say we've obtained exclusive footage of the
28:42
Speaker 6: dinner in question.
28:43
Speaker 2: This is exclusive footage.
28:50
Speaker 8: Who's this?
28:54
Speaker 1: This is cousin Patty.
28:56
Speaker 5: He's going to be staying with us for a while.
28:58
Speaker 8: Isn't that nice?
29:00
Speaker 5: You don't have can you?
29:04
Speaker 1: You lied to me? That's quality comedy. That's nothing. You
29:11
Speaker 1: young people wouldn't know anything about it. That's sophisticated writing.
29:14
Speaker 3: I have my homework for this weekend. But on the
29:16
Speaker 3: theme of families and drama, A left wing writer, Sarah
29:21
Speaker 3: Jones wrote an article for The Intelligencer in the US
29:25
Speaker 3: where she said, it is okay to go no contact
29:30
Speaker 3: with your maga relatives. So if any of your relatives
29:34
Speaker 3: voted for Trump, goodbye to them, because, according to this lefty,
29:38
Speaker 3: you never need to speak to them again.
29:41
Speaker 2: Not only do you not need to.
29:43
Speaker 3: Speak to them, I reckon she would go as far
29:45
Speaker 3: to say as you shouldn't because she says relationships aren't neutral.
29:50
Speaker 3: Just by maintaining a relationship, you're implicitly endorsing their views.
29:55
Speaker 3: And you know, the migrants being rounded up by ice,
29:59
Speaker 3: they don't have the lux sure to just ignore these issues.
30:01
Speaker 3: So you shouldn't either go no contact with your relatives
30:06
Speaker 3: that disagree with you politically. Now I'm not too sure
30:09
Speaker 3: about this one, Holly. Personally, I love bringing up politics
30:14
Speaker 3: at family events, especially if I know someone there disagrees
30:19
Speaker 3: with me, because it's a hell of a lot more
30:21
Speaker 3: fun arguing about politics than just making boring small toples.
30:25
Speaker 5: Did you have to delete the religion and politics? You know,
30:28
Speaker 5: that's three topics you were never.
30:30
Speaker 4: Supposed to bring up, sex, religion, and politics. And you know,
30:33
Speaker 4: shout out to my husband hopefully what she got home,
30:35
Speaker 4: but to all of his family.
30:37
Speaker 5: We lost one of his brothers last.
30:38
Speaker 4: Year and he was the only other conservative along with
30:41
Speaker 4: me and my husband, and so we lost out one
30:43
Speaker 4: of our partners in solidarity, and to the other five of.
30:46
Speaker 5: My in laws and my wonderful.
30:48
Speaker 4: In laws of my husband's siblings who I adore, that
30:51
Speaker 4: are all shocking lefties.
30:54
Speaker 5: It's extraordinary the conversation.
30:55
Speaker 4: But as I did point out to them recently, and
30:57
Speaker 4: we've said, well, you guys should be really happy, you've
30:59
Speaker 4: got a state labor government, you've got a federal labor government.
31:03
Speaker 5: The world should be all rainbow.
31:05
Speaker 4: And unicorns now, and that you should have no problems whatsoever.
31:08
Speaker 5: And funny they still find things to complain about.
31:11
Speaker 2: It's a lefty way.
31:12
Speaker 6: But this is the weird thing, is like, But I mean,
31:14
Speaker 6: talk to whoever you want, if you want. And I think,
31:16
Speaker 6: if anything, I'm not sure if this lady's Trump voting
31:20
Speaker 6: relatives are going to be too displeased with the fact
31:22
Speaker 6: is they're no longer stuck sitting next to her and
31:25
Speaker 6: didn't family dinner party. But this is how Trump got
31:27
Speaker 6: elected in the first place. A whole bunch of left
31:30
Speaker 6: is talking to each other, agreeing with each other, thinking
31:32
Speaker 6: that they were the only people who madded and who It.
31:36
Speaker 4: Doesn't matter you're left or right once you're sitting in
31:38
Speaker 4: an echo chambers.
31:41
Speaker 6: Okay, keep doing that, and and you know Trump's going
31:45
Speaker 6: to get elected the next time.
31:47
Speaker 1: Oh No, he won't. Sorry, that was meant to be
31:48
Speaker 1: a secret.
31:51
Speaker 4: Letag that's what we're doing.
31:55
Speaker 6: It is just it just does my head in that
31:57
Speaker 6: there's this kind of confusion between what I between what
32:02
Speaker 6: I think and being able to tolerate other people thinking
32:07
Speaker 6: something different, and there's a really and again it's like
32:10
Speaker 6: in the Greens Party, it's not They simply cannot comprehend
32:13
Speaker 6: that you could have a debate or a disagreement about
32:15
Speaker 6: something and then that's okay.
32:19
Speaker 4: And I'd go to dinner parties and there'd be people
32:21
Speaker 4: there who would be rabbit lefties, Greens voters or labor voters,
32:24
Speaker 4: and they try to go me and they.
32:26
Speaker 5: Might have a go.
32:27
Speaker 4: And I remember turning around and we were only took
32:29
Speaker 4: about this last night with some friends. I used to
32:31
Speaker 4: sk at them and go, you know what, outrageously, you're
32:33
Speaker 4: not going to change my opinion and I'm probably not
32:35
Speaker 4: going to change yours. So if we're just going to
32:38
Speaker 4: sit here and bark at each other about this, why
32:40
Speaker 4: don't we just talk about the wine, because we're not
32:42
Speaker 4: going to change each other's opinion. And it's when what
32:45
Speaker 4: you go to car park telling my pearls would get
32:49
Speaker 4: in the way. I don't know, you know no, but
32:52
Speaker 4: you're right, and you now nudged my lippy crack and nail.
32:55
Speaker 3: And you're not going to change their mind. They're not
32:56
Speaker 3: going to change yours. So you might not argue with stupid.
33:00
Speaker 3: You might as well preserve the relationship and try to
33:02
Speaker 3: build something constructed.
33:03
Speaker 6: That's right, someone else is trying to build something constructive.
33:06
Speaker 6: So nice is a representative of att Clark. She's a
33:09
Speaker 6: Democrat congresswoman from New York, and she is trying to
33:14
Speaker 6: engage with people also of a similar political persuasion. She
33:19
Speaker 6: has been accused of trying to get more migrants into
33:25
Speaker 6: her congressional district so that she can shore up her base.
33:29
Speaker 1: Yes, all the conspiracy theories are true. It's the great replacement.
33:32
Speaker 6: Listen to what she had to say just out of
33:34
Speaker 6: the last twenty four hours and.
33:36
Speaker 8: From Brooklyn, New York. We have a diaspora that can
33:40
Speaker 8: absorb a significant number of these migrants, and that you know,
33:45
Speaker 8: when I hear conleygues talk about, you know, the doors
33:50
Speaker 8: of the n being closed, no room in the end,
33:54
Speaker 8: I'm saying, you know, I need more people in my district,
33:57
Speaker 8: but just for redistricting, purposes and members could clearly fit here.
34:03
Speaker 6: So she was going so well, She's going so well, Hey,
34:07
Speaker 6: we're the USA, We're a great big melting pot of
34:11
Speaker 6: there's no rumor that's un Christian. We want to welcome
34:14
Speaker 6: people into the warm bosom of our society. And also
34:18
Speaker 6: I need the numbers for redistricting purmases.
34:20
Speaker 1: You say that out loud, it.
34:22
Speaker 4: Feels very Tony Burke and citizenship there last election shoring
34:27
Speaker 4: up southweek Sydney say tweets.
34:29
Speaker 3: Room, it happened to you, But it's true, and this
34:32
Speaker 3: is an intentional strategy being used by the Democrats.
34:36
Speaker 2: This is why there are so many concerns around.
34:38
Speaker 3: No voter ideas in the US, because you don't know
34:41
Speaker 3: who was coming in to vote.
34:42
Speaker 2: And we've seen people getting arrested who.
34:45
Speaker 3: Did illegally vote as illegal.
34:47
Speaker 2: Migrants in the last election.
34:48
Speaker 3: And even though it's probably a small number of people,
34:52
Speaker 3: it does undermine trust in the system. And that is
34:55
Speaker 3: why social Americans trust political institutions, because you have people
34:59
Speaker 3: like it Is saying they're going to use the migration
35:03
Speaker 3: system to gerrymanda their own electurate.
35:06
Speaker 4: But what is it about Democrats that they always say
35:08
Speaker 4: the quiet part.
35:09
Speaker 5: Out loud, the extraordinary, the own goal.
35:13
Speaker 1: You're going to rig it.
35:15
Speaker 5: Don't announce that you're rigging the election.
35:17
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean maybe she can't spell the world gerrymander,
35:21
Speaker 4: but you know, you really just don't announce that you're
35:23
Speaker 4: only bringing people into your district so you can get
35:25
Speaker 4: the redistribution right and make sure that they're voting Democrats.
35:28
Speaker 6: But it's also like again just being too smart by Hart.
35:32
Speaker 6: And this is why the Democrats are just sober. Like
35:34
Speaker 6: if I was in the UK, I'd be voting for
35:36
Speaker 6: the Democrats, right, I really have to hold my nose.
35:39
Speaker 1: This is why they are so absolutely cactus. Because even
35:43
Speaker 1: if you.
35:43
Speaker 6: Are actually doing this and you think, oh, this is
35:44
Speaker 6: how we're all going to get re elected, we'll just
35:46
Speaker 6: have a look at the Congress. Look around the room
35:49
Speaker 6: next time you're in Washington. It's not working very well.
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Speaker 6: So maybe try to think of something else, like actually
35:54
Speaker 6: winning the policy debates.
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Speaker 5: No, there know another party take that advice on it.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: I think the Democrats just need to open up the
36:03
Speaker 3: border and let illegal migrants vote and then they'll be
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Speaker 3: re elected in no time. But coming up in the papers,
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Speaker 3: we'll tell you about the Aboriginal Land Council that's demanding
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Speaker 3: an apology from the ABC over what they claim is
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Speaker 3: misleading reporting.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show.
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Speaker 3: Let's get into the papers now, starting with The Australian
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Speaker 3: and the headline here is we want our hydrogen funding
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Speaker 3: back Twigger. Labor has made it clear to Andrew Forrest
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Speaker 3: ford Escue that it expects to get the taxpayer funds
36:37
Speaker 3: directed to his failed hydrogen project after the billionaire formally
36:42
Speaker 3: killed off the much hyped proposals in Queensland.
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Speaker 2: Ford Escu's decision on.
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Speaker 3: Thursday to can the projects was described by analysts as
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Speaker 3: the nail in the coffin for the industry, although the
36:56
Speaker 3: Albanezer government made it clear it believed there was still
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Speaker 3: a future of the clean and source that had been
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Speaker 3: touted as the solution to the energy transition. I mean,
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Speaker 3: as they should. It is good to see Labor finally
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Speaker 3: having a little bit of common sense. But how this
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Speaker 3: all started with them trying to subsidize their way to
37:15
Speaker 3: this green hydrogen fantasy was never going to work. I
37:19
Speaker 3: think we could all see that from the beginning. So
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Speaker 3: it's too little, too.
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Speaker 4: Late, and absolutely tweet you should be made to pay
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Speaker 4: that money back, it's you know, the taxpayer funded that.
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Speaker 4: It's you know when they took about the labor government
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Speaker 4: gave him this money, not the Australian taxpayer gave him
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Speaker 4: that money.
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Speaker 5: And this whole green hydrogen fantasy.
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Speaker 4: If the government doesn't stop throwing good money after bad,
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Speaker 4: it's just getting to the point of the ridiculous we're
37:41
Speaker 4: seeing all these offshore wind farms, those projects are being
37:44
Speaker 4: not back again after heavy subsidized by the taxpayer. If
37:48
Speaker 4: people aren't starting to wake up to this ridiculous renewable
37:51
Speaker 4: transition and the cost that it is incurring to everyday
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Speaker 4: mums and dads, and what it is going to cost
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Speaker 4: our kids into the future through these enormous taxpayers cities
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Speaker 4: into projects.
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Speaker 5: That are never coming to fruition.
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Speaker 4: It's just an absolute disgrace and I think if anyone
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Speaker 4: was really prepared to look at it, there would have
38:08
Speaker 4: to be some form of Royal commission or national inquiry
38:10
Speaker 4: into it, but of course it will never happen.
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Speaker 1: I think the problem.
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Speaker 6: The problem is that you've got the government and people
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Speaker 6: like Twiggy at slightly different purposes. They both want green
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Speaker 6: hydrogen to work, but for Twiggy it's something that has
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Speaker 6: to be able to make money and become profitable sooner
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Speaker 6: rather than later, because his business is writing on it.
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Speaker 6: And that's fair enough. And for the government it's like, no,
38:31
Speaker 6: we need to create an industry until that will then
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Speaker 6: generate the R and D and generate the technological advances
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Speaker 6: that will then get us to the next step that
38:40
Speaker 6: will then get us to that cost effective price. And
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Speaker 6: so I think the problem is, yes, the cost is prohibitive,
38:46
Speaker 6: like it works, but the cost is still prohibitive and
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Speaker 6: you're not going to drive that cost down if there's
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Speaker 6: no industry to deliver that innovation and kind of fact.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that is all a very elaborate way
38:59
Speaker 3: of saying it's a fantasy because you can't. When have
39:02
Speaker 3: governments ever been successful at inventing industries, inventing technologies When
39:08
Speaker 3: we have perfectly good coal gas, we could have nuclear,
39:12
Speaker 3: we've got the uranium for it, but no, none of that.
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Speaker 3: Let's pursue this crazy idea that hasn't worked anywhere else
39:19
Speaker 3: in the world. But also in the Australian Tomorrow ABC's
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Speaker 3: Land Council allegations baseless an Aboriginal land Council that enraged
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Speaker 3: opponents of the one point three billion dollar Blaney gold
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Speaker 3: mine has demanded an apology from the ABC for a
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Speaker 3: story that quote materially misleads the audience and misrepresents a
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Speaker 3: police report against its chairman. The Orange Local Aboriginal Land
39:44
Speaker 3: Council has accused the ABC of breaching its own guidelines
39:48
Speaker 3: in a June eighteen report about a tense meeting of
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Speaker 3: the council's members. In that story, the ABC said the
39:53
Speaker 3: land Council's chairman, Jamie Newman, was the subject of multiple
39:57
Speaker 3: complaints to police for his behavior at that met, without
40:01
Speaker 3: also reporting what police had told them that there was
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Speaker 3: nothing to investigate. Don't you just love when the national
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Speaker 3: broadcaster in midst details that pay people in a really
40:14
Speaker 3: bad life.
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Speaker 5: That's appearance to the charter. This is so good at it.
40:18
Speaker 6: I can complain to the police, so hey, police, frail
40:21
Speaker 6: Leach is a homicidal serial killer. And then the AOS
40:25
Speaker 6: would just say frail Leach there were complaints to police
40:29
Speaker 6: that frail Leach is a homicidal serial killer, without the
40:31
Speaker 6: bit where the police say, what are you talking about?
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Speaker 1: You absolute lunatic?
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Speaker 3: Correct? What is the whole point of journalism if you
40:37
Speaker 3: leave out the police response.
40:39
Speaker 4: Well, I think we know what. The ABC journalism is
40:41
Speaker 4: dead and it is absolutely their own bias and their agenda,
40:46
Speaker 4: whatever they do and whatever they say.
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Speaker 5: I am so not surprised.
40:51
Speaker 4: By this reporting by the ABC, and I have no doubt,
40:55
Speaker 4: not that David Anderson's there anymore. But some of the
40:57
Speaker 4: OBC executives right pleased.
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Speaker 5: I'm no longer going to.
40:59
Speaker 1: Be see more than They're just so confused.
41:01
Speaker 6: We're meant to be on after, We're meant to be
41:03
Speaker 6: anti minds and pro indigenous. But what happens when the
41:08
Speaker 6: indigenous group is pro the mind and I think it
41:10
Speaker 6: just fries their circuits.
41:11
Speaker 4: A blue bee and that create the blue the blue
41:14
Speaker 4: banded beekyli blue.
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Speaker 1: It's just blue banded.
41:20
Speaker 4: God help us all the other big story today and
41:23
Speaker 4: it's getting some coverage in the Courier. Male t boned
41:27
Speaker 4: by albow. I do love that. That's what mind with
41:31
Speaker 4: headlines they.
41:32
Speaker 5: Come up with.
41:32
Speaker 4: But Queensland multi billion dollar beef industries up in arms
41:36
Speaker 4: over the Albanezy government's decision to dump a long standing
41:39
Speaker 4: ban on the United States imports. Fears Australia's borders could
41:43
Speaker 4: be breached by major diseases, including mad cow, has prompted
41:47
Speaker 4: the nationals and farming peak bodies, including Cattle Australia and
41:50
Speaker 4: AGG Force, to call for an independent review into the decision.
41:55
Speaker 4: The ban was one of US President Donald Trump's core
41:58
Speaker 4: grievances with Australia, but Queensland grazier Will Wilson said yesterday
42:03
Speaker 4: that jeopardizing Australia's disease free status for a trade deal.
42:07
Speaker 5: Wasn't worth the risks.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 4: I think Barnaby was kind of on the money here
42:11
Speaker 4: when he said he'd like to hear from the Chief
42:12
Speaker 4: veterinarian when it comes to this. But I think we
42:15
Speaker 4: do need to understand as well though that we haven't
42:18
Speaker 4: had a ban on US imports. What we've had a
42:21
Speaker 4: ban on or restrictions around is actually better understanding the
42:24
Speaker 4: supply chain to make sure that the cattle had been born,
42:27
Speaker 4: raised and sorted in the US, not coming in from
42:30
Speaker 4: Mexico or Canada to then come through as US b
42:33
Speaker 4: But the reality is the US quality beef I don't
42:36
Speaker 4: think is as good.
42:37
Speaker 5: As Aussie beef.
42:37
Speaker 4: Why would you not have an Ossie steak? And if
42:40
Speaker 4: they want to bring in some some US hamburger meat,
42:44
Speaker 4: so be it.
42:45
Speaker 5: But it's the Aussie steaks.
42:46
Speaker 4: And I think from an export we are it's eighty
42:48
Speaker 4: billion dollars or something of export that we send to
42:50
Speaker 4: the US, and no wonder we do because our steaks
42:53
Speaker 4: are the best.
42:53
Speaker 6: We've literally got to throw the US a bone, literally
42:57
Speaker 6: in this case, but because otherwise, this is the only
43:00
Speaker 6: way we get them to lift tariffs.
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Speaker 4: On the st But do we do it now or
43:03
Speaker 4: do we wait until we actually have conversations with them.
43:06
Speaker 6: I think there'll be more that come out of those conversations.
43:08
Speaker 6: I think this would be just an indication that we're
43:11
Speaker 6: willing to Hi.
43:12
Speaker 5: We're not just China's play thing. We're actually That's.
43:18
Speaker 1: Now, forget all of that.
43:20
Speaker 6: There is only one story in town, and the town
43:22
Speaker 6: in question is Townsville, and that is the story.
43:25
Speaker 1: Of is he former mayor? Is he current mayor?
43:30
Speaker 6: I'm just I'm so excited, suspended may Troy Thompson.
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Speaker 1: This is something.
43:35
Speaker 6: Every time Troy Thompson is on the front page of
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Speaker 6: the Townsville Bulletin, we must cover it because this is
43:41
Speaker 6: the most intriguing political story I have ever seen in
43:43
Speaker 6: my entire life. Now, Troy Thompson has been suspended as
43:48
Speaker 6: Townsville mayor for I think it must be it must
43:51
Speaker 6: be six months now, God knows how long it is.
43:52
Speaker 1: It might be more.
43:55
Speaker 6: But he just sort of won't go and his big
44:00
Speaker 6: is big sort of repost to being suspended, and good
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Speaker 6: on im, Troy, I back you all the way on this,
44:06
Speaker 6: mister mayor, is to say I'm suspended. Oh no, you're suspended.
44:10
Speaker 6: I'm suspending the whole council. And so this has been
44:13
Speaker 6: his sort of boss countermove, his power move. Tragically, as
44:17
Speaker 6: reported on the front page of the Townsville Bulletin tomorrow,
44:21
Speaker 6: petition failed our local government minister and lay says suspended
44:26
Speaker 6: Mayor Troy Thompson's bid to have the whole of Townsville
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Speaker 6: City Council dismissed does not beat the requirements set out
44:34
Speaker 6: in the legislation.
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Speaker 1: That has got to be the most understood.
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Speaker 4: Like you might have a slightly unhealthy obsession, but you know,
44:42
Speaker 4: I just love.
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Speaker 3: The audacity of this guy going, yeah, I'm suspended, but
44:46
Speaker 3: you're all going to be suspended.
44:48
Speaker 6: That's right, A bit like say what I'm leaving child? No, No,
44:56
Speaker 6: I'm I'm sacking you Channel ten.
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Speaker 1: You're ladies, there will be no serio turn mine anyway.
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Speaker 6: Missus Thompson had petitioned the government to remove every sitting
45:06
Speaker 6: counselor in Townsville. Having a letter responding to the petition,
45:11
Speaker 6: Miss Lay said she had not been persuaded.
45:14
Speaker 5: Shotten Wow, only in Queensland.
45:17
Speaker 2: Only in Queensland. Well, just quickly.
45:19
Speaker 3: There has been a surge in older drivers. This is
45:22
Speaker 3: in the Harold Sun tomorrow. A seventy five percent surgeon
45:26
Speaker 3: older driver numbers in a decade has resulted in nearly
45:29
Speaker 3: seventy thousand Victorians over the age of eighty five holding
45:32
Speaker 3: onto their driver's licenses. That is truly remarkable. My husband's
45:37
Speaker 3: grandfather is ninety five years old and he will not.
45:40
Speaker 2: Give up his driver's license. If you're in.
45:42
Speaker 3: Perth, watch out well after the break, Sasha bark Owen
45:47
Speaker 3: is truly redefining midlife crisis. Where can I show you
45:50
Speaker 3: some shocking pictures of what.
45:52
Speaker 2: He looks like? Now stay tuned, welcome back.
45:57
Speaker 3: Well, we've been hinting at this Sasha Baron Cohen moment,
46:01
Speaker 3: this entire show. Now it is a finally time to
46:04
Speaker 3: reveal I think the most epic transformation of all time.
46:09
Speaker 3: You might remember Sasha Baron Cohen from the Borat movie.
46:13
Speaker 3: He sported a glamorous neon men keeny. Not a lot
46:19
Speaker 3: of muscle definition there, just like a Really I guess
46:26
Speaker 3: he's a confident man.
46:27
Speaker 2: He's a very confident man.
46:28
Speaker 3: Well, he has since unfortunately divorced his wife, Isla Fisher,
46:33
Speaker 3: and in his sort of postvarce midlife glow up, he's
46:37
Speaker 3: hired Chris Hemsworth's old trainer and has undergone truly a
46:43
Speaker 3: remarkable transformation. This was a shot he did for Men's
46:47
Speaker 3: Fitness UK. Now we were having a debate about how
46:51
Speaker 3: much of this is natural. I initially thought this looked
46:54
Speaker 3: like AI, but apparently it's not. He posted on Instagram
46:58
Speaker 3: saying this is not AI. I really am egotistical enough
47:01
Speaker 3: to do this. Good on him.
47:04
Speaker 4: Look, do you think for a midlife crisis post of
47:07
Speaker 4: Wars this is outstanding.
47:08
Speaker 5: He's actually doing something, probably hopefully for his health and fitness.
47:12
Speaker 4: But it's much better than the sports car, the young
47:14
Speaker 4: girlfriend and the hairpluck.
47:17
Speaker 5: Well done, sad.
47:18
Speaker 1: Well, No, he's actually in train.
47:19
Speaker 6: The reason why he's got Chris Hemsworth's personal trainer is
47:22
Speaker 6: he's training to be the super villain the Fisto in
47:25
Speaker 6: the upcoming Marvel movie.
47:27
Speaker 1: So that's why he looks so totally shredded.
47:29
Speaker 6: So usually, you know, you would have to do it
47:32
Speaker 6: by getting what I believe caught Joe Rogan calls jacked,
47:36
Speaker 6: but he would just he'd be on one of those
47:39
Speaker 6: unbearable like you know, no alcohol, which I'm out, I'm out,
47:44
Speaker 6: but you know, like eating nothing but you know, skinless
47:47
Speaker 6: chicken and rice and raw eggs and stuff like that. Anyway,
47:51
Speaker 6: onto something much more fun. Yes, it's a monster truck.
47:55
Speaker 6: A fans video has captured the moment a monster truck's
47:58
Speaker 6: massive tire off during a performance in Washington State. The
48:04
Speaker 6: incident occurred at the Malicious Monster Truck.
48:07
Speaker 5: To it.
48:07
Speaker 6: You wouldn't think with a name like that that anything
48:10
Speaker 6: could go wrong, but apparently it did have a look
48:19
Speaker 6: oh my oh norm, oh my god, nor.
48:29
Speaker 1: There you go.
48:29
Speaker 6: So fortunately no one was injured, but the tire took
48:34
Speaker 6: out I think three multiple part cars. I think it
48:37
Speaker 6: was the three cars were damaged because those tires are
48:39
Speaker 6: just so huge. So no one was hurt, thank god,
48:42
Speaker 6: But the organizers did say that's the last time they
48:45
Speaker 6: let Freya's grandfather in law drive a monster truck.
48:48
Speaker 4: I looked just on a serious note to finish tonight,
48:51
Speaker 4: though we just don't acknowledge that the passing of Henry's ms.
48:55
Speaker 4: For those of you more in my generation and a
48:58
Speaker 4: little bit older, you would remember mother and son. Henry
49:01
Speaker 4: Zepps played Robert beat the favorite son, the Dentist. He's
49:05
Speaker 4: passed away today at eighty one after ten years on
49:08
Speaker 4: that show, which we all know was an Ossie classic,
49:12
Speaker 4: and he was a great contributor to Ozzie stage and screen.
49:15
Speaker 5: So his thoughts are with his family and friends.
49:18
Speaker 3: And truly a remarkable story born to Polish Holocaust survivors
49:21
Speaker 3: and built an incredible career here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well that's it from the Late Debate.
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Speaker 3: Up next is Marina Panahy Show.