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Penny Dreadful · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  Unpopular opinion, but she is definitely one of my top three
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  favorite characters in the show. Of course, of course.
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  Hello and welcome to the Art Costume Podcast.
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  I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass. And I'm Spencer Williams.
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  Elizabeth, Hello. Spencer How's it going?
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  It's going. I'm so excited for this episode.
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  I feel like I've been preparing for it for like 2 weeks now and
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  I'm just like really, it's been buzzing to talk to you.
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  I know, I know. We started talking before and
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  you were like, no, like, we gotta wait and.
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  I am so excited cause and let's just jump into it this week.
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  This week, we just can't even wait.
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  We just have to get into it. I can't.
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  This week we watched Penny Dreadful.
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  Oh, finally. I mean, I hope everyone
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  listening watched Penny Dreadful.
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  We gave them a week. So I get it.
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  It was rough. But well, maybe two weeks if you
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  listened. Watched our Instagram live.
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  Man, the show is so good. I missed it so much.
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  It is so underrated. It's criminal.
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  It really is. And I'm like, I feel like
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  because it was on Showtime, it like did not get.
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  The credit it deserved maybe, because, like, Showtime has
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  like, some really good shows. But, like, I feel like people
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  don't talk about Showtime as much as, like HBO or star like
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  some of the other, like, premium services.
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  Oh yeah, Showtime has. It's like, it's kind of like a
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  treasure trove. I mean, was Dexter on Showtime?
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  I think so. I think it was and George and
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  Tammy that Mitchell Travers designer costumes for that is
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  the absolute gem. So, Penny Drefel is definitely a
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  hidden secret. And it is.
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  I forgot how much of like, a spooky season perfect watch it
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  is. It has it all.
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  It has Vampires, werewolves. Dracula's here and he's not
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  here. We got ghosts, witches, even
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  some Wild West shootouts with rattlesnakes.
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  Everything you want. We have it all.
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  It's it's all in there. It's all in there.
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  And I forgot how good all the actors are and the sets and the
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  costumes and the lighting. Like, it's one of those shows
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  where you're like, wow, everything came together like
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  perfectly, right? And still was very ghosted at
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  the Emmys somehow. Yeah, literally I I looked them
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  up and they got like they did the.
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  Hair makeup and like special effects makeup, they got lots of
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  nominations, which like, yes, like deserved.
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  Deserved their title sequence. Got a nomination?
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  Very good again. Very good.
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  Some of their music. Incredible.
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  Deserved. I'm sorry, where is Eva Green's
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  nomination? Not a single one.
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  Not a single one. And the costumes weren't
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  nominated even once. Like we're already jumping
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  forehead, but not even once. And she was nominated for our
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  Costume Designers Guild award twice, I believe.
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  Which Thank you Costume Designers Guild.
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  This is why we love you. Not a single.
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  I'm mad like it's 2016 all over again.
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  I'm ready to break the table. It's like it's so good and it's
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  so well thought out and they I people were just like, huh?
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  I should have looked to see like what other shows.
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  Were on. I'm like, I'm sure like Game of
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  Thrones was like, yeah, that's what it is.
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  It's. Cleaning up came down during the
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  era of Game of Thrones and The Crown and marvelous Miss Maisel.
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  So at least in terms of like period type shows, you know, if
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  you consider Game of Thrones a period, But yeah, they're
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  cleaning up at this time. So I get it, which is why I said
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  nominee, it should have been that way.
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  It's definitely up for consideration.
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  But all that aside, I'll try not to get too far into it, but lots
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  of thoughts and feelings this week.
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  Haven't been sleeping, just been watching Penny Dreadful every
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  waking second of my life. It's a bit depressing, but I'm
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  happy I did it. That is true.
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  Like, if you are in a mood for something uplifting, don't watch
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  Penny Dreadful. This isn't for you.
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  You might as well just listen to this podcast and we'll just
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  we'll break it down for you. Yeah, yeah, Spencer, let's start
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  breaking it down with a summary. All right, let's get into it.
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  Many people are familiar with the classic literary characters
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  like Doctor Frankenstein, Dorian Gray and Dracula.
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  Tiny Dreadful brings those and other characters into a new
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  light by exploring their origin stories in the psychological
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  thriller that takes place in the dark corners of Victorian
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  London. Sir Malcolm is an explorer who
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  has lost his daughter Nina Harker to the city's creatures,
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  and he will do whatever is needed to get her back and to
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  right past wrongs. His accomplice, the seductive
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  clairvoyant Vanessa Ives, recruits charming American Ethan
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  Chandler to help locate Sir Malcolm's daughter and slay some
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  monsters. And then a season goes by, and
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  it's a lot of slaying monsters. Lot of slaying monsters.
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  A lot of Vanessa trying to not be possessed, not by the devil,
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  try not to be possessed. But she has a certain thing that
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  really turns that switch on, if you know what I mean.
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  Oh yeah, very relatable, this. Is not.
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  This is not a PG program, my friends.
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  Anyway, let's go. Behind the costumes, we have
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  series creator John Logan. And costume designer Gabriella
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  Pescucci, our girl. We've talked about her before
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  and you'll tell us. You'll tell her why.
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  But like this, this looks like her work.
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  Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
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  She is incredible. And you might know her from her
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  work on The Adventures of Farah Muchausen, which is an Oscar
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  nominee. I hadn't heard of it, but I'm
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  like now I need to go see it. If she got nominated for a whole
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  Oscar 1993's The Age of Innocence, for which she won an
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  Oscar. Dangerous Beauty One of our
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  childhood favourites. Van Helsing.
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  Pee Pee pee. Charlie and the Chocolate
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  Factory from 2005 got her another Oscar nomination, The
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  Brothers. Grimm the We have to do the
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  Brothers Grimm still, and that's on the list.
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  We do. She also did Beowulf Agora and
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  the TV show The Borgia, which I've always wanted to watch.
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  I watched the Netflix. Forge a TV show.
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  I really want to watch this one. I mean, you know, if she
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  designed a costumes, it must be good and that's how I see it.
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  You're like, I'm there. That cool.
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  I love Charlie and Chocolate Factory, by the way, and I
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  stupidly always thought it was a Colleen Atwood film because it's
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  Tim Burton. But no, it's Gabriella and she
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  killed it. And she got an Oscar nomination
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  for it, and she deserves it. Yes, and everyone go go look at
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  her IMDb page. Because quite frankly, this is
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  like a small selection of her work.
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  She has done so much and a lot of like notable things.
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  I was like, I just have to like pick like the most notable.
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  Like we only have so much time. Yeah, that too.
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  But yeah, because she's she's done a lot of foreign films,
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  which I'm like, this makes me want to go watch some foreign
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  films, which is not usually like.
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  I'm not a big fan of subtitles, so I'm like, I might need to
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  make an effort for a penny dreadful Gabriella.
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  She had a whole bunch of of inspiration to draw from because
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  this is the era of Victorian London.
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  She used inspiration from French Impressionist artist Pierre
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  Gusto. Renee Claude Monet.
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  And many others. She cited the aesthetic
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  principles of Impressionism, which focus on illustration of
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  movement and contours at compliment, the brooding
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  romanticism that characterized most of Victorian era culture.
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  She also looked very closely at Gustav Dorey's illustrations of
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  19th century London. And I'm like, I get it.
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  I love this era and you could tell it's very thoroughly
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  researched. Victorian London.
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  It's, it's a time. It's a time.
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  It is a time and a place and it's like as soon as you start
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  to mention those like painters, it's like, Oh yeah, I know what
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  you're talking about. And she said to Indie Wire.
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  I took elements and details from all, so there is not something
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  that is totally inspired by a certain picture, which I'm like.
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  I really appreciate that 'cause it is really like a melding of
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  all these different looks and ideas.
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  And the main idea behind Penny Dreadful were the Victorian era
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  Penny Dreadful stories. Wow.
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  Which Gabriella spoke to Variety about, she said.
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  I did look carefully at the Penny Dreadful drawings.
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  They are very iconic and a little over the top.
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  The purpose was to scare and impress the readers, but I have
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  tried to give more a more realistic impression.
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  Oh man, I love that. I would love to get my hands on
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  like some of these drawings too, to see them.
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  I'm sure I could Google them, but.
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  Yeah, we're looking at some examples right now, and they're
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  very spooky, very over the top and ironic, like she mentioned
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  you could definitely. She had a lot to work with going
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  into Penny Dreadful. Yeah, absolutely.
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  And we are going to get into it as we go through the series
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  season by season. Oh yeah, we have a lot to cover
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  and I know the audience is very excited.
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  I put out some moments on social media so our listeners could
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  could let us know their excitement.
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  For example, Cambria 3218 on Instagram said it was such a
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  Gabriella's such a talented designer.
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  I love to design lines and embellishments which I couldn't
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  agree more. Can't wait to get into it.
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  And Trippy D on Instagram said deeply emotional feast for the
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  eyes and ears of gothic horror lovers, which that should have
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  been on the poster. Yes.
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  And then just getting into like what we're talking about in
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  terms of costumes, I asked people what are your favorite
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  costumes before I get into this? And a long time listener, Robert
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  JC Pugh said anything and everything Ava Green wears.
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  Which yeah, I mean that sums up the rest of this podcast,
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  honestly. Yeah, yeah, pretty much, Pretty
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  much. With that being said, let's take
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  a break and contemplate all these costumes that Vanessa Eyes
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  wears. All right, Elizabeth, Are you
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  ready to head to the sunny Victorian London, full of
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  smiling faces and cheerful gatherings?
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  I think you're a little bit confused, but yes, a a.
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  A cloudy London day I am ready for.
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  Oh man, this paints a very bleak picture.
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  Victorian London, which, you know, I'm sure is very accurate,
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  but it's like, man, I feel like I kept thinking about this.
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  I feel like in my past life I must have been like a Victorian
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  London kid named Toby who like, had consumption 'cause I just
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  feel very connected to this era. I love everything about it, but
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  it's also just so sad and tragic.
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  You're like, I understand this, I I like one of those people.
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  Like if I could travel to the past, I absolutely would.
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  But I'm like, would only ever want to be rich, Rich.
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  Right. Because.
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  Even then, Sir Malcolm Rich, where he just sits in that nice
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  house and it's like I'm going to go to Africa tomorrow.
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  Yes, I'm like, I would only want to be that.
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  But then, 'cause, even for those people, it really sucks too,
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  'cause Vanessa Ives is not doing well.
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  No, this Vanessa Ives is not doing well.
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  But she looks well. I can't even say that.
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  I was gonna say she looks consistently good through the
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  whole thing, but that's not even true.
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  She really goes through it at times.
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  Oh yeah, but on a good day, Vanessa Ives is everything.
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  Killing it. I mean, first of all, I should
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  say that Ava Green has always been my #1 celebrity crush, not
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  Christine Baranski. Not like those are fun, you
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  know. But Ava Green has always been my
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  number one and is because of, well actually before Penny
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  Dreadful. Well, she did that Shadows movie
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  which is escaping my head all of a sudden.
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  The one with Johnny Depp, Tim Burton, Hannah Bunham Carter.
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  It's a good one. It'll come to me, I'm sure.
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  Everyone listening right now, it's like, what when she was in
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  300, the 2nd 300 movie, when she's Artemisia the warrior, and
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  then we have Penny Dreadful and she is just Vanessa Ives for
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  life. Absolutely.
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  And Gabriella talked about the inspiration for Vanessa to
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  Variety, saying Vanessa is a young, tormented woman who
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  doesn't like. The Superb.
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  Louis, which women's fashion was full of in the 1890s?
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  At that time, black was a widely used color, and not only for
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  mourning the elegant. Physicality and the pale color
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  of Eva's skin led me to choose dark colors for her, which it
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  works. I mean, she was made for this
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  role. Yes, and I love First off the
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  textures. Like I don't think she puts
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  anything on her body that doesn't have some sort of like
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  texture to. Oh yeah.
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  Like, that's beautiful and it gives so much depth to the
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  costumes. That's.
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  Not always there, but then also like the colors.
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  Like, I feel like that's Gabriella's.
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  Like, that's one of the things she does best is color.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, I love the use of color and the use of texture.
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  I mean, everything she wears feels like art consistently
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  throughout the whole thing. There's she's very attention to
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  detail, which I think Vanessa Ives would say like, oh, I'm not
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  a fancy dress or whatever, but she is.
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  And she pays lots of attention to what she's wearing.
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  And one thing I noticed too, which I didn't notice, you know,
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  back when we watched this together in a college apartment
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  years ago, is something that I've picked up on, was that she
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  rewore a lot of clothing too, which I thought was fascinating
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  because, I mean, it's Victorian London.
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  She's not gonna have, like a walk in closet with just a new
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  outfit every day. Yeah, so she would layer things
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  and put coats on, especially that black dress she wears all
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  the time. She would wear a coat over it
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  and you would see it underneath and it just yeah.
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  This is a master class in costuming, period costuming.
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  Absolutely. And I kind of love when it,
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  like, diverges into like, a little bit of color.
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  Like that gown she wears during the seance.
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  Like Oh my gosh, like it's like just the right red for just the
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  right amount of like drama to compliment an already like over
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  the top dramatic scene. Yeah, and I like it too, because
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  she feels a bit more vulnerable in that scene.
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  And the you're talking about the 1st science.
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  When Madame Collie is there and she's wearing, it's kind of like
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  almost like a purple look. But she feels very vulnerable.
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  She's showing her arms and a little bit of her chest, which
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  is not something she typically wears a lot you don't.
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  See a lot of. Shoulder in this and she's
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  showing all the shoulder. Yeah, she's showing it all.
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  And so, so she's very vulnerable, which leads her to
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  this possession moment. So in ways, I feel like the
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  costumes are kind of telling a story a little bit about where
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  she's at in her mind, which is not good.
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  Not good. Never good.
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  And you can also tell that cause like most of the other things
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  she wears, it's all high collar like I love that like kind of
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  like charcoal grey jacket she has that then has like the big
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  fur collar with like the the braided detail over.
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  It like she's always like, gotta keep it, gotta keep it together.
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  Yeah, she her her costumes are very structured in the sense
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  where you feel like she's, she kind of like building armor
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  around herself. Yes, especially in this because
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  everyone wants to kill her. Yeah, especially you can never
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  tell. You can't.
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  You can't. But I do love that you get to
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  see that she was not always like this, right?
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  And the flashbacks to before all the trauma kicked off, it's
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  there's such like a tonal change for the whole show.
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  It gets very light. And airy and creamy.
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  And she wears like a lot of white and blue.
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  Yeah, in season one it's lots of like really you know, pale
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  pastels, Blues, some pinks. Vanessa Ives was, you know, she
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  was very feminine and she, I mean that's one of the things
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  that drove her was she was just like exploring becoming a woman.
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  And she was very much into pink, girly colors, and then
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  everything changes and it's black and dark purples from that
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  point forward. She just wanted to marry the boy
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  next door and be a wife and have a family and then.
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  But Dracula just has to ruin everything consistently in every
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  story. Yes, I also love we have.
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  Her bestie, Mina, who's been kidnapped by Dracula.
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  Yeah. I.
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  Love her in the scenes like post being.
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  Captured cause like she always looks like.
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  Drenched in water? Like, right, That's interesting.
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  I was thinking that too. Like, where is Dracula keeping
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  her where she's always soaking wet?
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  Yes. And.
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  I'm like also like, it's like a white gown she's wearing this
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  whole time. But the way that, like colors
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  play off it, it makes it so like this, like dingy gold color.
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  And it's like, oh, you are also not doing well.
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  She's kind of ghostly in a way where you can't tell because
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  season one, most of it, just so everyone knows we're talking
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  about season one right now. We'll move forward soon, but in
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  season one, Mina, no one knows if she's alive or dead.
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  Is she a vampire? What's going on?
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  So every time we saw her in these visions, she was always
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  wearing white, looking a little wet and disheveled.
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  And you're like, is she dead or she like, I don't.
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  I don't know. You know?
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  And also what? I couldn't help but wonder if
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  there was a little bit of a nod to the Lucy Westenra character
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  in Bram Stoker's Dracula. Because when she's dead, she's
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  wearing like that white kind of frilly dress.
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  You know, the one I'm talking about.
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  I know what you're talking about.
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  Yeah, not the same character, but I mean, there's obviously a
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  lot of nods to Dracula, so I just, I definitely feel like
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  that must have been in the Pinterest board.
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  I think so. I think so.
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  Also on the Pinterest board. Must have been so many Cowboys.
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  Oh yeah. Because we have Ethan.
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  Chandler, played by Josh Harnett.
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  You had a crushed at you. Yes, I knew it.
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  I was like we have a Ethan Chandler Girly in the chat right
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  now. We.
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  Do. Especially seasons one and two
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  when his hair is long. Oh yeah.
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  I'm like, yes, Especially like 2010's Elizabeth was like, yes,
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  Gabriella talked about Ethan Chandler 2, Variety saying.
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  Josh was dressed in bright colors in the Wild West show,
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  but that was the only situation I chose a bright color for him.
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  The scene was meant to be a bit vulgar, but funny.
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  And it's like I forgot that this was our introduction to even.
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  Chandler It's so ridiculous. The colors are very off putting
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  and like the contrast. She did such a great job with
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  the contrast of it, 'cause like the white and the handkerchief
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  he has, or Ascot the. Red Yeah, it's so bright.
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  It almost looks like, 'cause he also has really bad makeup on
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  purposely, because he did it himself.
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  It looks like a weirdly colored photograph and I love it.
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  Yes. And it's like this faux
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  snakeskin vest and it's like even the jacket, it's like, it's
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  very like Halloween costumey like feel like I could find this
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  at like spirit Halloween. Oh yeah, sort of like it's like
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  a. Detail.
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  It's like a Ken costume from Barbie, but it's like the wrong
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  colors. But then Ethan Chandler becomes
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  like this cowboy figure. Yes, He's still American though,
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  so he's trying to find his place in London.
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  So there has like an American twang to his London costumes.
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  It he's definitely not like full blown like cowboy, but it's like
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  I feel like a lot of like the like English characters.
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  They had a lot of like black and like more like black, blue
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  colors. He stays like very, like brown
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  green. So it's like kind of like,
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  'cause he's from New Mexico, so like, dusty, like Midwest, like
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  colors, which I really appreciated.
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  Yeah, it's very well done. And in season one he gets his
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  his girlfriend Barana Croft, played by Billie Piper.
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  Oh man, also. One of my faves.
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  One of the best Doctor Who companions ever.
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  I did not know she was in Doctor Who, but I bet she's brilliant
• 24:39
  in that because she was brilliant in this she.
• 24:42
  Was that's? Actually, one of the reason
• 24:45
  that's one of the reasons I watched this.
• 24:48
  That's all it takes. Doctor Who connection.
• 24:52
  And Elizabeth is there. Yeah, she was consistently
• 24:57
  incredible in this show from beginning to end, too.
• 24:59
  And I feel like. I mean, Evergreen should have
• 25:02
  not only been nominated, but one Emmy.
• 25:05
  Yes, Billie Piper should have been nominated too, I would say.
• 25:10
  Especially when we get to Season 2, like the transformation.
• 25:14
  Oh yeah, from like from Brana in season one to Lily end of season
• 25:20
  three. It's like that's two different
• 25:21
  characters. Very emotional too.
• 25:26
  Yeah, so good. But I love her costumes though
• 25:30
  too, because she's like a centric woman of the Victorian
• 25:33
  London St. so. She's, you know, she's kind of
• 25:37
  on herself a little bit. And to do so in a very dark,
• 25:42
  dingy Victorian London, how would you stand out?
• 25:44
  And it would be bright, vibrant colors that are kind of patched
• 25:48
  together. And I think you see a lot of
• 25:50
  that in Brona Alert early on, which kind of translates into
• 25:55
  her gills later on in season three when she brings them all
• 25:58
  to the table, so. I also love like, the mixture of
• 26:04
  pattern. Mm hmm.
• 26:06
  With her, it's like very bold in your face, but then like you get
• 26:10
  the little details like her, her jacket and like her hat.
• 26:15
  It's like they are like very detailed.
• 26:17
  And it's like you can tell like she wants like nice things and
• 26:21
  to be like to have those like nicer things.
• 26:24
  But she's just like, well, this is what I can do, so I'm going
• 26:27
  to do it. I feel like she could be related
• 26:30
  to Misses Lovett and Sweeney Todd, like they could definitely
• 26:34
  be sisters. Absolutely.
• 26:39
  Someone who has everything he wants.
• 26:43
  We have Dorian Gray. It's a speechless man.
• 26:54
  I like. I forgot how fun his character
• 26:57
  was. I love Dorian Gray and I've I've
• 27:01
  read Dorian Gray, one of my favorite books and I just
• 27:04
  thought, this is such a fun interesting portrayal of the
• 27:08
  Dorian Gray character. How would they work with, you
• 27:11
  know, all these other wacky characters?
• 27:15
  I think they did it in a very well.
• 27:17
  Man, I can't talk right now. They did it in a great They did
• 27:20
  a great job. Oh yeah, I can't talk.
• 27:24
  He did good. Yeah, they did good.
• 27:27
  They did very good. Gabriella talked about the
• 27:34
  creation of Dorian Gray to Variety, saying.
• 27:40
  I did reread Oscar Wilde, but for Dorian, John Logan and I
• 27:45
  wanted to draw for a more modern inspiration to create a more
• 27:49
  timeless version of the character.
• 27:51
  And you can feel that. You can definitely feel that,
• 27:55
  Yeah, it's interesting. Before we started recording, we
• 27:57
  were looking up one, Reeve Carney, who plays Dorian Graham.
• 28:01
  Like, where have we seen this guy from?
• 28:03
  And interesting enough, he worked on, he like composed
• 28:07
  music for Twilight Breaking Dawns, right?
• 28:11
  Which is so fascinating to me. But talking about making a
• 28:15
  timeless, modern character, I feel like Dorian Gray feels like
• 28:20
  a like a Twilight character. You know, like there's something
• 28:23
  timeless about him where he fits in the period, but he could also
• 28:27
  fit in any period with his costumes.
• 28:29
  It's kind of weird, which is what's so unsettling about the
• 28:33
  character. Yeah, and that's really because,
• 28:36
  like, he uses, like, a little more color.
• 28:38
  He's a little more daring in his wardrobe than like your average
• 28:42
  Victorian gentleman. And, like, it really works and
• 28:47
  you'd. But it's it's subtle enough that
• 28:49
  you don't think about it. Standing out in the world.
• 28:52
  He's just always there, just always looking good and no one
• 28:55
  questions it. No, they fight in the parties
• 29:00
  and they're like, what do you do?
• 29:01
  And he's like, oh, I don't know, I just party a lot.
• 29:04
  We're like. I'm just here.
• 29:05
  Don't worry about it. You're pretty hot.
• 29:08
  So I would love to be invited to a Dorian Gray party.
• 29:12
  Just saying. Yeah, absolutely.
• 29:15
  They looked fun but liked a lot of fun.
• 29:18
  Wink Wink, who I did not have fun with, and I have a beef with
• 29:25
  these two characters. It is Doctor Frankenstein and
• 29:29
  the Frankenstein monster who later on goes on to be John
• 29:32
  Clair. Less beef with John Clair.
• 29:34
  More beef with Frankenstein. But just every time these two
• 29:37
  characters are on screen, I feel like I felt like hitting my head
• 29:41
  on my laptop, just 'cause they're so frustrating.
• 29:44
  Yeah, yeah, we have a young doctor, Victor Frankenstein,
• 29:51
  Gabriella spoke to Variety about him saying.
• 29:55
  In our version, Frankenstein is a young Doctor Who studies the
• 29:59
  human body. But he's not a rich man, so his
• 30:03
  clothes needed to be absolutely ordinary, which also helps to
• 30:09
  conceal the mysterious experiments he's conducting in
• 30:12
  his laboratory. It's like he's just a regular
• 30:15
  guy who just sucks to be around. I'm just like, do you like?
• 30:22
  And I'm just like what? Like exactly?
• 30:23
  What are you trying to make it so no one ever dies?
• 30:26
  Like, I feel like that's the goal.
• 30:28
  Yeah, I just but. I'm like, you're going about it
• 30:30
  in a terrible way. I have beef with him after
• 30:33
  season three. I was not impressed by his
• 30:36
  actions, but we'll get there. We will get there.
• 30:40
  Season one, it was kind of like a pendulum.
• 30:42
  I was like, OK, Frankenstein, I'm on his team.
• 30:45
  And then, you know, John Clair talked about his story and now I
• 30:48
  was on his team and then and then he killed Van Helsing and I
• 30:52
  was like, OK, back on Frankenstein's side.
• 30:54
  Like, it just kept switching. I was like, you two need to be
• 30:56
  put in jail. And cause like John Clair has
• 31:01
  the worst entrance ever 'cause he murders the second one.
• 31:06
  In the worst way possible for absolutely no reason.
• 31:09
  Yeah. I purposely fast forwarded
• 31:11
  through that part because I knew it was coming and I just knew it
• 31:13
  was going to unleash. I knew my trauma was coming
• 31:17
  back, so I was like Fast forward.
• 31:19
  I was just like, Dang, I will say about the costumes.
• 31:23
  It makes a lot of sense on Victor Frankenstein.
• 31:26
  It's he's like an ordinary guy and unfortunately I feel like
• 31:30
  he's most relatable to me in the sense that I feel like I would
• 31:34
  wear this and also have to mention that there's kind of a
• 31:38
  similarity. I don't know if you see it, but
• 31:40
  I just if I were any character, it would be Victor Frankenstein,
• 31:44
  which kind of sucks because I hate him.
• 31:49
  I mean, if you dressed up as him for Halloween, I'd know who you
• 31:52
  were immediately. But yeah, I do.
• 31:59
  I do like him because he just does not stand out.
• 32:02
  In any way, no at all. And neither does John Clair.
• 32:08
  He wears like through this whole season.
• 32:12
  I mean he he has some some different looks, but he's pretty
• 32:15
  much only ever wearing this like very traditional like trench
• 32:19
  coat. Mm hmm.
• 32:21
  Which just like lets him hide and like, sneak around and like,
• 32:25
  get by, 'cause that's all he's trying to do is get by.
• 32:29
  It's very impressive in the way that they were so consistent in
• 32:32
  delivering this trench coat through three seasons.
• 32:35
  And it still never felt tired, though.
• 32:37
  No. So I don't know, I I thought it
• 32:40
  was great. He was always very covered up
• 32:42
  and trying to hide and he needed a big collar to kind of shield
• 32:46
  himself. So I it was a perfect choice.
• 32:49
  And also why would why would the Frankenstein monster be going
• 32:53
  shopping? I mean he can't even he go
• 32:55
  outside. So it it makes sense.
• 32:58
  He probably just steals something every now and then,
• 33:02
  keeps that trench coat close and keeps it washed by the way.
• 33:08
  Yeah. And then this series is just, it
• 33:11
  has so many great characters in it, starting with Sir Malcolm
• 33:17
  Murray. Oh yeah, who I really came to
• 33:21
  love after, just watched through.
• 33:23
  He's just like the ultimate dad. Yeah, he has the crushed parts
• 33:27
  in the moment in the beginning, but so does every single
• 33:30
  character in this show, so. The only thing that made me mad
• 33:35
  was how mad he was at Vanessa for sleeping with Nina's fiance.
• 33:41
  But I'm like. Did you really want that man
• 33:44
  marrying your daughter if he's just gonna like?
• 33:47
  Sleep with her bestie the night before their wedding?
• 33:50
  Yeah, that was a lot of family drama.
• 33:52
  Everyone took it pretty hard. I felt like a little rough on
• 33:56
  Vanessa, but you know, I don't know.
• 33:59
  But what I'll say about his character though too, which I
• 34:03
  loved, is when he in the flashbacks, he was very kind of
• 34:06
  chill and casual. He always had like his his
• 34:09
  collar open, 'cause he just got back from traveling to Africa
• 34:13
  and India like he was a traveler guy.
• 34:15
  But then, as you know, things start to go wrong or he really
• 34:20
  starts to get to this polished kind of dark goth dad a little
• 34:24
  bit, which I honestly goals I want to be Sir Malcolm when I'm
• 34:29
  older. Yeah, very much the Victorian
• 34:32
  gentleman. Very much not.
• 34:35
  The Victorian gentleman, But also kind of we have Mr. Lyle,
• 34:41
  who is just one of the best characters.
• 34:43
  You think so? Yeah, he's like the only one
• 34:47
  who's consistently like, yo, Vanessa, are you OK?
• 34:51
  Are you sure you're OK? We gotta help you like.
• 34:57
  I mean, he does have like a little bit of sketchiness.
• 35:00
  Yeah, he's kind of sketchy in Season 2.
• 35:03
  Like, he knows he did wrong and he does his best to fix it.
• 35:07
  Yeah, I don't know. It's I liked his character.
• 35:10
  He was funny. I just felt like he was also an
• 35:13
  an unnecessary character, I guess.
• 35:15
  But he was like, he was nice to have around.
• 35:18
  I didn't like when they hooked him up with a gun.
• 35:21
  And we're like, we need your help.
• 35:22
  I was like, come on man. Like we don't need Mr. File.
• 35:26
  That was a little random. I was like, OK, but you know,
• 35:31
  he's there for his friends. I I like him more in season
• 35:35
  three, when he becomes like this person that Vanessa confides in,
• 35:39
  that was, yeah. So he grew on me by the end.
• 35:41
  But first I was like, we don't need this character, but I do
• 35:45
  love his costumes, 'cause he's like a world traveler, right?
• 35:48
  He's AI believe he's a Egyptologist, right?
• 35:52
  Is that is that what you call it?
• 35:53
  I'm not an Egyptologist. 'Cause they needed they needed
• 35:56
  him to to translate the hieroglyphics.
• 35:59
  Yeah, Egyptologist. So he has like a little bit of
• 36:02
  like a cultured, worldly look to all of his costumes, which I
• 36:06
  appreciate. Yes.
• 36:08
  And also, at his party, where Vanessa gets possessed, we get
• 36:15
  our first glimpse at Madame Collie.
• 36:19
  Oh yeah. Who is just doing the most in
• 36:22
  this scene? Costume wise unpopular opinion,
• 36:26
  but she is definitely one of my top three favorite characters in
• 36:29
  the show. I think Madame Collie, who
• 36:32
  becomes, of course. Whenever.
• 36:45
  You're like unpopular opinion. I'm like Spencer likes this one.
• 36:53
  Helen McCrory is incredible. This is incredible.
• 36:59
  Incredible acting also should have been nominated for like a
• 37:02
  guest actress nomination. She is incredible in this
• 37:07
  series. Season 2 is where she really
• 37:10
  shines. She's kind of like in season one
• 37:12
  for a little bit. I think she just ate so hard in
• 37:15
  season one that we're they were like we have to write in a role
• 37:18
  for season 2 for Ellen because she's so good at it and I miss
• 37:23
  her. She, well, you know, she passed
• 37:25
  away a few years ago and I just felt like she just had so many
• 37:28
  more great performances coming her way, 'cause she was a
• 37:31
  one-of-a-kind talent and it shows in this show.
• 37:34
  She was so incredible. Also another incredible
• 37:39
  character that I feel like did not get enough screen time at
• 37:44
  all. We did not get to know enough
• 37:46
  about him was semi. Yeah, I was kind of just
• 37:51
  rewatched when he, you know, we haven't got the Season 2
• 37:54
  officially, but when he kicked the bucket, I was kind of like,
• 37:57
  that's it. Like we didn't get a back story
• 38:00
  episode or anything, but whatever.
• 38:04
  Through the first two seasons, he like, drops little pieces of
• 38:06
  like information about himself and you're like.
• 38:10
  One season in the future, he's gonna get a whole flashback
• 38:13
  episode. Like, he's one of those
• 38:15
  characters where you're like one day they'll have a flashback
• 38:17
  episode and then they'll be like super, like even more intricle
• 38:23
  to the story and then he just. Die, I know.
• 38:27
  And in a pretty horrible way, too, by the way.
• 38:29
  I don't know how everyone just kind of moved on from that
• 38:31
  little fact, right? But I love his costumes because,
• 38:37
  you know, he works with Sir Malcolm and you could kind of
• 38:41
  see a little bit of Sir Malcolm in the way that he presents
• 38:43
  himself, I thought, in terms of costumes.
• 38:46
  Absolutely. It's definitely like he's got
• 38:50
  like that Victorian, very much like uniform and but I do love
• 38:57
  how he pairs it with that boulder hat and the trench coat.
• 39:02
  Well, Elizabeth, that was only just season one.
• 39:05
  So we're going to take a quick little break, get our heads
• 39:08
  together and then we're going to take a glance at seasons two and
• 39:13
  three and talk about all the the costumes just keep on coming
• 39:17
  with the show. Gabriella Fescucci never took a
• 39:20
  day off, so we have a lot more to talk about.
• 39:23
  We do. We'll be right back.
• 39:42
  What's up, costume nerds? This is Spencer Cohost and
• 39:45
  producer of the Art of Costume blog Casts.
• 39:47
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• 39:50
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• 39:53
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• 40:16
  Thank you for all your support. You're ready to continue the
• 40:40
  journey into Penny Dreadful? I'm very ready.
• 40:43
  I I still have a lot of thoughts and feelings, so I'm going to
• 40:46
  try to keep it, keep it close. But there's so much to talk
• 40:50
  about with this show. There is 'cause every season it
• 40:54
  just gets Wilder because starting off we have a new ish
• 41:00
  character. Lily, formerly Brona, yeah.
• 41:06
  She's been brought back to life by Doctor Frankenstein, right?
• 41:10
  Which big eye roll to Doctor Frankenstein?
• 41:14
  But yeah, she Lily really developed such a strong sense of
• 41:19
  style very quickly, I would say. And she instantly becomes like,
• 41:25
  I don't know, just her costumes are so good.
• 41:27
  She's right up there. Vanessa Ives.
• 41:29
  I mean, Vanessa Ives is always up here, but Lily's coming up
• 41:32
  close. Absolutely.
• 41:33
  And I love how she starts out, 'cause she very much starts out
• 41:36
  as, like, Frankenstein's ideal. Like woman.
• 41:41
  Pretty much. Like, yeah, gross.
• 41:43
  She's soft, sweet, like very, like wifey, Victorian wifey
• 41:49
  material, yeah. And like she's got creams and
• 41:54
  whites and like these really like lovely, like dark Reds and
• 42:00
  purples, but starts out very light and we also.
• 42:06
  Because of this, we do get one of my favorite scenes in the
• 42:09
  series, which is when Vanessa takes Doctor Frankenstein
• 42:13
  shopping for Lily, which is one of the funniest things.
• 42:19
  It's so painfully awkward, but so good.
• 42:23
  Vanessa's just, like, loving it. She loves how awkward he is and
• 42:27
  she's like, I got you, bestie. Don't worry, I love when Vanessa
• 42:31
  just has moments of happiness. It makes it so it's so much
• 42:34
  stronger. When Vanessa's happy, you know
• 42:36
  when she cracks a smile, it just pierces through the screen.
• 42:40
  It's so much more tragic. Has this Lily's story this whole
• 42:44
  time because. She does like start to get like
• 42:48
  more and more and more remember who she was and the feelings she
• 42:51
  once had, but she doesn't really get there till the end.
• 42:56
  Who's really coming strong? Right out of the gate, though,
• 43:00
  we have Madame Collie. Yes, we get to understand who
• 43:04
  this woman is a little bit. She's Evelyn Poole's her real
• 43:08
  name, and I am obsessed with her costumes.
• 43:13
  It's very dark goth lady, but she's a witch and she's like the
• 43:19
  supreme witch and you could just kind of see it.
• 43:22
  She's not like wearing pentagrams and a big old T-shirt
• 43:25
  that says I'm a witch, but just the way she carries herself.
• 43:30
  It would raise my eyebrow a little bit and you see it in the
• 43:33
  costumes. Absolutely.
• 43:35
  And I really like Gabriella. She does something very subtle
• 43:40
  because like. All of her colors are kind of in
• 43:42
  like this, like green range, from like dark like forestry,
• 43:47
  like when she runs in to Sir Malcolm at the gun store to like
• 43:52
  these more like mossy greens. And the texture, it's very much
• 43:57
  giving, like, oh, she's like a snake, like, she's not up to any
• 44:01
  good. Oh, that's such a good way to do
• 44:04
  it. Slither in her way through their
• 44:06
  lives, right? It's very questionable.
• 44:09
  And yeah, it's just also green. I think of like the forest, you
• 44:13
  know, the woods, witches, witchcraft, kind of like
• 44:16
  Winnifred Sanderson, you know, like it's just like there's
• 44:21
  subtle notes that is like screaming witch, but Gabriella
• 44:25
  does it in such a masterful way that, yeah, such a great
• 44:29
  character. Especially with her and her
• 44:32
  daughters, the collaboration between hair, makeup and
• 44:36
  costume. It is so on point.
• 44:40
  Like. It's so good.
• 44:43
  And she told Variety for the daughters that I was inspired by
• 44:52
  the store, Liberty and Company and the Pre Raphaelite painters
• 44:58
  and it's like, yes. Yes, you were.
• 45:02
  Yes, I love the daughter. I don't know if they're actually
• 45:05
  her daughters or if she just calls them that, especially
• 45:07
  since they love to, like, kiss on their lips pretty often.
• 45:10
  But I guess, you know, hashtag wish witch things.
• 45:13
  But. Yeah, I think Hecate.
• 45:17
  I think she she is her daughter. You think so?
• 45:20
  I think so. I love Hecate.
• 45:23
  She is a cool character. She is.
• 45:26
  And they also her their costumes, which is why it's so
• 45:30
  confusing. They do dress in the image of
• 45:32
  Evelyn Poole a little bit too, like they do feel like a
• 45:35
  collective unit. All these witches together.
• 45:38
  Yeah, I do also like them, 'cause they have a little bit of
• 45:41
  like a Renaissance quality to them, which it's like that's
• 45:45
  definitely something like Pre Raphaelite painters, like went
• 45:49
  into a little bit. So I see like where that
• 45:52
  inspiration comes from, especially in Hecate's.
• 45:56
  Like red number with like how it's belted and how the sleeves
• 46:01
  come down. I'm like I feel like we could
• 46:03
  put you in like a renaissance like show and you would fit
• 46:08
  right in. I feel it she this is a actress
• 46:11
  could that could have worked in House of the Dragons.
• 46:14
  I don't know. Like I I see it.
• 46:16
  Yeah. Still time.
• 46:21
  We also have some other new amazing characters in Dorian
• 46:26
  Gray's world. We have Angelique, who they are
• 46:32
  incredible and that this is like another character.
• 46:35
  I I was so excited to see where they were gonna go.
• 46:38
  And then, yeah, so I was telling Elizabeth during the break, but
• 46:43
  I didn't see much of what happened in the middle.
• 46:45
  I saw Angelique's entrance and I saw Angelique's exit, and I will
• 46:50
  just say, not a fan of how that played out with good old Dorian
• 46:54
  Gray. But is Dorian Gray ever up to
• 46:56
  anything good? Perhaps?
• 46:57
  No. And he makes some really, like,
• 47:00
  bold decisions very quickly, right?
• 47:03
  He was like, OK, Angelique saw my really cool portrait.
• 47:08
  Time to get back. Angelique was such a great
• 47:12
  character, though I was. I love the costumes.
• 47:17
  Angelique portrayed like this character that was very proper
• 47:22
  and just like kind of like vulnerable, but also had like
• 47:25
  bright eyes for the world. I would say a little bit more
• 47:28
  brighter, cheerful. Much more like vibrant and full
• 47:31
  of life than like any other character.
• 47:35
  Seriously. That's why I think.
• 47:37
  I think that's why Angelique stood out so much to Dorian at
• 47:40
  first. He just fell in love with this.
• 47:42
  Like vibrancy in this soul. Also kind of still very sultry.
• 47:46
  Lots of Reds and pinks. So gone too soon.
• 47:51
  I was kind of hoping for more. Thanks.
• 47:54
  About Dorian we. Should we should have known what
• 47:56
  was going to happen with season three when they were like
• 47:58
  Angelique gone? I mean, like Dorian Grace saw
• 48:02
  one Lily Frankenstein and the world shifted.
• 48:07
  I know, I was like. You could just tell she wasn't
• 48:10
  immortal from like over there like, OK Sir, but we have more
• 48:19
  to explore with our Vanessa Ives.
• 48:24
  We get some flashbacks and she takes a step away from Victorian
• 48:28
  society. And who knew?
• 48:31
  Vanessa Ives has an incredible knit game.
• 48:37
  Like talk about fall inspiration.
• 48:39
  Vanessa Ives, Season 2 at the Witch's Hut.
• 48:43
  Yes, sweater season is very much in with Vanessa Ives and she
• 48:48
  loves a scarf and a nice, very lovely sweater.
• 48:53
  She is loving it. And I mean, this is, is this the
• 48:56
  origination of cottage core? She's just looks incredible and
• 49:01
  cheerful, especially when you're staying with Auntie Patti
• 49:05
  Lupone's house. I mean, how did they cast Patti
• 49:09
  Lupone in this role? It's it's so weird to me and I
• 49:12
  love it. I don't know It works.
• 49:15
  It so works. And I also love, I love because
• 49:21
  you get some of those, like especially with the lighting and
• 49:24
  how the lighting plays with the costume.
• 49:27
  At the Cottage, especially when it's just like her and Ethan
• 49:30
  there, you get these like bright tones we haven't seen since the
• 49:34
  flashbacks in season one. And it's like, oh, this is a
• 49:38
  place she was like truly content.
• 49:41
  But it's like she can never just keep that.
• 49:43
  Yeah. I mean, I feel like Vanessa
• 49:45
  feels in control when she's at the cottage because when she's
• 49:48
  at the Sir Malcolm's house, like she's safe to an extent, except
• 49:53
  it gets infiltrated by vampires almost consistently in ghosts
• 49:57
  and goblins and all of the above.
• 50:01
  So at this cottage that where she met her witch mentor, I
• 50:06
  would say she feels at home here and she puts on a blue outfit
• 50:10
  for once and takes a little stroll with Ethan, which good
• 50:13
  for you, good for her. Yeah, I always forgot that.
• 50:18
  Like her and Ethan. Never.
• 50:20
  Like, never completely got there with their relationship.
• 50:23
  And I'm like, Oh my gosh, so close.
• 50:25
  I mean, I'll, I'll talk about that a little bit when we get to
• 50:28
  the finale. Finale.
• 50:29
  But yeah, so close. So close.
• 50:34
  Damn it. But we have more extraordinary
• 50:40
  looks at so I I was watching 'cause I have the Blu-ray
• 50:44
  complete series, OK, dreadful. So I was watching.
• 50:50
  I was watching the behind the scenes and Dorian's coming out
• 50:56
  ball for Angelique was known as the Blood Ball while they were
• 51:02
  filming. I wonder why?
• 51:05
  The iconic scene there at the end, but everyone like
• 51:09
  everyone's ball. Where game is on point in this
• 51:14
  scene. Yeah.
• 51:15
  I mean you know how we feel about a ball and this this was
• 51:20
  we haven't had a ball in a minute on this podcast actually.
• 51:23
  So this gave me everything and I love it because it's Vanessa's
• 51:28
  like vision, right? Is this so typically you would
• 51:33
  think for a a ball like this. That's me covered in blood.
• 51:37
  Say take Wednesday for example. Most people be wearing white
• 51:41
  because you want the blood to stand out.
• 51:44
  But no, it's Vanessa's vision, so everyone's wearing dark
• 51:47
  colors, which makes the blood feel much more creepy because
• 51:50
  everyone just gets really dark and wet with blood.
• 51:54
  And I love it. Yeah.
• 51:55
  And it's like they don't notice it.
• 51:58
  So it's just like it just continues to drench and drench
• 52:01
  and drench and it's just like. Oh my gosh, how many duffels did
• 52:05
  they need? I was really hoping they did not
• 52:08
  have Gabriella talk about this scene.
• 52:10
  I was hoping they would, and they didn't.
• 52:12
  And I was like, oh man, Gabriella Pescucci probably has
• 52:15
  us blocked for this very scene. She knows that we have questions
• 52:19
  and she probably does not want to relive that trauma.
• 52:22
  I'm sure she doesn't. I'm sure she would tell us,
• 52:26
  though, about Vanessa's red gown.
• 52:28
  Oh yeah. It's been a minute since we had
• 52:31
  a red dress. That's impressive on the pod.
• 52:35
  I'm right there with you, Elizabeth.
• 52:37
  She looks incredible and I love the silhouette of it.
• 52:41
  I love how it has a little bit of, like, a shoulder moment.
• 52:45
  Yeah. I mean, Vanessa Ives just looks
• 52:47
  incredible. The sheer black applique that
• 52:51
  just like Crimson red, oh. So good.
• 52:55
  Again, Vanessa's kind of being a little bit more vulnerable in
• 52:58
  her look where she's showing, showing her arms, which is not a
• 53:01
  big Vanessa Ives move, and what happens that everything falls
• 53:06
  apart. So I think what Vanessa learned
• 53:08
  from this ball is always wearing long sleeves.
• 53:13
  Is is what you need to do? I wish someone had told Lily
• 53:18
  that 'cause she's in this adorable pale pink number and.
• 53:24
  She gets snatched up by Dorian Gray.
• 53:26
  Yeah, I mean, he can't help himself at his angelique's
• 53:30
  coming out ball. I know Dorian Gray just can't
• 53:33
  help himself, but I mean, Lily looks and.
• 53:35
  Angelique is stunning in this scene, like the.
• 53:38
  Purple So. Like, so good.
• 53:42
  And he's just like, yeah, yeah, whatever.
• 53:47
  We also get this. An incredible moment when Sir
• 53:52
  Malcolm is unintentionally breaking a spell with the
• 53:56
  assistance of his ghost family. And I love how they did this
• 54:03
  scene because the room is like an is bright like he's like, you
• 54:09
  know, Sir Malcolm is his like normal self.
• 54:14
  But then, like all his loved ones, they're in these, like.
• 54:18
  Like almost like pale beige and like taupe tones.
• 54:22
  And like hair and makeup have kind of like not quite but like
• 54:26
  a little bit like it looks like like really heavy, like white
• 54:29
  powder on their hair and face to just give that like ghostly but
• 54:33
  like warm. It wasn't scary.
• 54:36
  It was very warm. They did this weird kind of like
• 54:39
  reverse grayscale thing where they made all the people almost.
• 54:43
  They reminded me of what Kate Hawley did in Crimson Peak when
• 54:47
  Tom Hiddleston's character. I guess I shouldn't say what
• 54:50
  happens to him, but there's a moment there where Tom
• 54:56
  Hiddleston's character looks a little bit different at the end
• 54:59
  of the movie, and it's kind of like the same kind of like a
• 55:02
  ghost, but not really. There's still life in them, but
• 55:05
  it's like in a way. It's not stark white.
• 55:07
  There's a little bit of Like Life and Cream Colors to them
• 55:11
  and it was done really, really well.
• 55:14
  So well, but not as well. This is one of my favorite
• 55:20
  scenes in the whole show. Oh, of course.
• 55:25
  Not as well as Vanessa's vision of what life could be like with
• 55:30
  Ethan, yeah? It's so adorable and it's such a
• 55:35
  direct call back to this flashback scene when they're
• 55:40
  children and Sir Malcolm comes back from one of his
• 55:44
  expeditions, the Whites the beiges like.
• 55:49
  A little girl with the blue like accents, like it's just directly
• 55:54
  she's like, I want to relive my childhood.
• 55:58
  That's I She just wants that back.
• 56:01
  It explains everything that Vanessa, like, wants, which is
• 56:04
  why she goes into full possession mode anytime she has
• 56:07
  any sort of intimacy, because she feels like she's like that
• 56:10
  close to being in that relationship that takes her all
• 56:13
  the way. And it it doesn't, but it
• 56:16
  doesn't. That vision scene is, first of
• 56:19
  all, it's so nice seeing Vanessa hives and white because it's
• 56:22
  almost like the same silhouette, but it's just like it's more
• 56:25
  feminine and girlier and just she just feels light and happy
• 56:29
  and you don't see that very often in a show at all.
• 56:33
  Yeah and I love like I love the callbacks and the kids clothes
• 56:37
  cause the little girl is wearing almost exactly what little No
• 56:45
  Mina. What little Mina is wearing?
• 56:49
  Like very similar pattern, very similar cut, and then the boy is
• 56:54
  wearing something very similar to Mina's brother.
• 56:58
  Like, that's interesting. I didn't catch that.
• 57:00
  Yeah, 'cause it's like, she kind of like she wants this life with
• 57:03
  this man, but she also like, kind of wants her friends back.
• 57:08
  And that innocence they had. And I was like.
• 57:12
  Gabriella Pascucci was thinking. She had it all together.
• 57:16
  It's it's so good. It's so sweet and it just makes
• 57:19
  me sad watching it too. Yeah, and it only gets worse as
• 57:26
  we head into season three. Yeah, season three's a major
• 57:30
  bummer. Do you remember season three?
• 57:34
  Like, I just rewatched it for probably the first time.
• 57:37
  Because for everyone, if you watched us live back in the day,
• 57:42
  the finale was kind of a surprise.
• 57:44
  Like, I think, I think they always planned for it to end
• 57:48
  after season three. But what they didn't do is tell
• 57:51
  the audience that because we all watched a finale and we're our
• 57:57
  wigs were fully removed, we could not believe that it ended
• 58:01
  it the way it did. So now that I've like, come back
• 58:04
  with a sober mind, I've liked season three.
• 58:07
  But back then it was traumatic. It was traumatic and.
• 58:11
  Like we were talking about this earlier and you were like, I was
• 58:14
  more prepared for it this time. And I was like, I do agree with
• 58:18
  that. I'm like, OK, I see much, I see
• 58:22
  the like story set up better now, but I'm still like, like
• 58:26
  they introduced so many good characters.
• 58:29
  I'm like, I feel like they still could have gotten to this end
• 58:34
  with like one or two more seasons and just like.
• 58:38
  Elaborate just a little bit more.
• 58:39
  I don't know. That's just me.
• 58:41
  I feel like there could have been one more season and I
• 58:44
  would've been fine with like Season 4 and that's it, 'cause
• 58:47
  they were getting close to. The end But they're I do think
• 58:51
  that season three was great and I think the ending was still
• 58:53
  good. But season four, 'cause they
• 58:56
  introduced like that one character who I liked, who was
• 58:59
  like the Fencer, who is Vanessa's friend.
• 59:01
  At the end, like they introduced Vanessa's friend Katarina
• 59:06
  Hartigan, who was so interesting to me and I just felt like there
• 59:09
  was more there. She really was kind.
• 59:11
  I felt like they're staying up almost like a Buffy to vampire
• 59:15
  type storyline there, you know, which I kind of read about her a
• 59:19
  little bit. She was based off of like
• 59:21
  loosely based off of a book, but it was original character.
• 59:24
  But they were, they were introducing some fun stuff, like
• 59:27
  Doctor Jekyll, some fun stuff that I would have liked just a
• 59:30
  little, like, please, just one more season.
• 59:33
  Little I know I would have. Can we have some more?
• 59:38
  I feel like they could have done this season almost exactly the
• 59:41
  same, but like at the end they didn't like rescue Vanessa and
• 59:46
  it was like. The last season was them like
• 59:49
  trying to save Vanessa and ultimately failing, 'cause she
• 59:53
  was never getting out of this alive.
• 59:55
  No, no. And if I think if you ask
• 59:57
  Vanessa, I didn't think she wanted to get out of this alive
• 1:00:00
  by the end. I don't think she did either.
• 1:00:03
  And in season three, her, her wardrobe takes a little bit of a
• 1:00:10
  turn. In the Season 3 extras, Eva
• 1:00:16
  Green was talking about her wardrobe.
• 1:00:18
  And she was like, you know, by that time I was a little sick
• 1:00:21
  of, like all the dark colors. And she wanted something a
• 1:00:24
  little bit lighter for Vanessa, 'cause she's like, Vanessa's a
• 1:00:27
  fighter and she wants a better life for herself, which from,
• 1:00:32
  you know, that vision she had, clearly, like, she associates
• 1:00:36
  these bright colors with having what she wants in her life.
• 1:00:40
  So you we do get to see that a little bit, some more red, some
• 1:00:44
  more cream than she had before. And Gabriella Pascucci pointed
• 1:00:50
  out in those extras that dress she wears to go see Dracula,
• 1:00:58
  like right before she chooses, where she finally says yes to
• 1:01:02
  him. This, like black and like red
• 1:01:09
  pairing is supposed to mimic the inside of a casket.
• 1:01:13
  Oh, that's so dark, 'cause she's like, going to her death.
• 1:01:20
  I'm going to DM Gabriella after this.
• 1:01:22
  I need to have some words. Excuse me, ma'am?
• 1:01:27
  That was too dark. On a serious note, I really
• 1:01:31
  loved Ava Green's portrayal of Vanessa Ives throughout.
• 1:01:37
  All of it, but especially in season.
• 1:01:40
  Three. Yeah.
• 1:01:42
  Mostly season three, just because, I mean, it's been a
• 1:01:45
  tough year for all of us and I personally have been going
• 1:01:47
  through a lot of like depressive episodes this year and the way
• 1:01:52
  that Eva Green really just it's like a real honest conversation.
• 1:01:55
  I feel like about depression and you know, just like dark times
• 1:02:00
  in this specific season. And they do it in a way that's
• 1:02:03
  very smart and talk about it organically and what it's like
• 1:02:06
  to just. Like have those moments where
• 1:02:08
  you don't want to get out of bed and you don't want to do things
• 1:02:11
  you don't feel motivation. But then through like her
• 1:02:14
  friendships, she finds, you know, the power to get up and
• 1:02:18
  just do things that make her smile.
• 1:02:19
  Like that one scene where she's in the asylum with Mr. Claire,
• 1:02:24
  which is a great, great episode. She They're just like reading
• 1:02:28
  poetry, just like those little moments that just, like, bring.
• 1:02:33
  Be back to life a little bit. I just thought it was a really
• 1:02:35
  great, honest portrayal. And I just again should have
• 1:02:38
  been an Army Emmy nomination 'cause it was really powerful,
• 1:02:41
  at least for me. I was tearing up throughout the
• 1:02:43
  entire season. I agree.
• 1:02:46
  I agree. Yeah, you, you really feel like
• 1:02:49
  you're with her and it's like, yeah, I like, I get what you're
• 1:02:52
  saying, like, oh, like you don't feel like like so much is going
• 1:02:57
  on. You're like, yeah, I don't.
• 1:02:59
  A demon's trying to get me. My friends are gone.
• 1:03:02
  Like, no, I don't. I don't wanna do anything.
• 1:03:07
  And I really liked the introduction of what's her
• 1:03:11
  therapist's name. I don't.
• 1:03:13
  I always just call her Patti Labone, Patti Labone's second
• 1:03:18
  character in the show. Is it her last?
• 1:03:22
  Name's Seward, right? Seward, Doctor Seward, 'cause
• 1:03:27
  it's like, you know, even though you're going through a hard
• 1:03:30
  time, like go go get some help, go like go be with someone who's
• 1:03:35
  going to help you through these hard times.
• 1:03:38
  Yeah, the doctor says she challenges her.
• 1:03:42
  She says I want you to she they have a really dramatic session.
• 1:03:46
  And she says, I want you to get up right now and just go do one
• 1:03:49
  thing that makes you happy. Whatever that is, just get up
• 1:03:52
  and do it. She even was like, I think in
• 1:03:55
  the back of her head she's thinking even if it was that
• 1:03:57
  sexy looking zoologist who might be Dracula, if you need to go on
• 1:04:01
  a date with him, go and do it. Just go be you and do it.
• 1:04:06
  I'm like, I feel like I need that scene, like like saved on
• 1:04:09
  my phone just every now and then be look at him be like, yeah, I
• 1:04:12
  I should just go do something that makes me happy.
• 1:04:14
  Yeah, it's it's very good. Sexy Dracula zoologist, Which,
• 1:04:21
  like, I do love, 'cause, like, even when we were watching this
• 1:04:24
  the first time, it's like, oh, like, yeah, of course he's the
• 1:04:29
  bad guy, like right off the bat. But like, he's like, he's such
• 1:04:35
  like a nerdy character that you're like, but I kind of like
• 1:04:39
  Dracula. I know.
• 1:04:40
  I mean, that's what Dracula is, right?
• 1:04:42
  I mean it's very much like. He's attractive.
• 1:04:46
  He's charming. You want to spend time with him,
• 1:04:49
  kind of hot, like all of that. And he's screaming Dracula from
• 1:04:53
  the very first moment we see him.
• 1:04:55
  And somehow you don't want to believe it, but yeah, no, he's
• 1:04:58
  Dracula. I also I love, like the little,
• 1:05:01
  like, red hints in his wardrobe, how I like his silhouettes and
• 1:05:07
  like just the overall presentation is much more like
• 1:05:10
  cleaner and modern than some of the other characters, which kind
• 1:05:15
  of gives it that timeless look, but almost in the opposite way
• 1:05:19
  of what she did with Dorian. It's like, it's so streamlined
• 1:05:24
  that you're like, Oh yeah, this person has been around for who
• 1:05:26
  knows how long. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:29
  I'm so glad he didn't show up like as Gary Oldman with like,
• 1:05:32
  the curly wig and a top hat, with all respect, too.
• 1:05:37
  But you know, it would have. Because he's presenting himself
• 1:05:40
  an image that's alluring to Vanessa.
• 1:05:43
  Because Dracula is that bitch. And he's always looking up to
• 1:05:47
  mess up our heads. So he knows how to do it up for
• 1:05:50
  Vanessa. And he did.
• 1:05:52
  He does. You know who also knows how to
• 1:05:54
  do it up, Spencer. Lily and Dorian, who really go
• 1:06:01
  through quite the storyline in the season, they go through like
• 1:06:05
  a whole vigilante phase. A little bit.
• 1:06:07
  It's a little Bonnie and Clyde there for a little bit.
• 1:06:10
  Lily. I mean, her costume's in season
• 1:06:14
  three. I mean, Season 2 is good
• 1:06:18
  spending Dorian's money. Yeah, season three.
• 1:06:20
  She got the pocketbook because she looks so good.
• 1:06:25
  No wonder Dorian's really in his fields the entire season because
• 1:06:29
  she's flipping away and he's pissed.
• 1:06:32
  Yeah. And I'm like, yes, this is what
• 1:06:36
  Verona wanted to dress like, yes.
• 1:06:38
  Yeah, it's it's so good. It's very structured.
• 1:06:41
  Her sleeves are always very big and powerful, always a little
• 1:06:44
  bit of sense. Like she's very sensual at
• 1:06:47
  times, but also dark because she's going through it in kind
• 1:06:53
  of like a good and bad way, you know?
• 1:06:56
  Yeah. And she's kind of like she's
• 1:06:58
  finally regaining all her memory.
• 1:06:59
  So she's kind of like mourning her daughter again, which I feel
• 1:07:03
  like is why there's a lot of the black and she's like, 'cause one
• 1:07:09
  of the big themes in Penny Dreadful is just how horrific
• 1:07:14
  Victorian society was to women. It's.
• 1:07:17
  Horrible. And how much they were devalued.
• 1:07:21
  And she's very much fighting against that.
• 1:07:24
  Rightfully so. If not, maybe in the best way.
• 1:07:27
  I know. It's like in ways you're ching
• 1:07:29
  her on throughout the whole thing.
• 1:07:32
  I don't know. I still felt a little bad for
• 1:07:34
  Dorian. Just like a little bit.
• 1:07:36
  It's not wrong the tiniest bit, but I'm like also dude like.
• 1:07:42
  But what were you expecting? Well, yeah, what were you
• 1:07:45
  expecting? And like, maybe just go have a
• 1:07:47
  conversation with Lily, like when she's alone and be like,
• 1:07:51
  hey babe, like, I know you're trying to do the Lords work for.
• 1:07:56
  Yeah, not for the women of this city, but can we have a dance
• 1:08:01
  every now and then? Right.
• 1:08:03
  It was so sweet. Actually.
• 1:08:04
  I was like, oh, that's, you know, not thrilled about the way
• 1:08:07
  he broke up with her, which was. Throwing a bag over her head and
• 1:08:10
  tossing her in a carriage. Feel like good luck,
• 1:08:14
  Frankenstein. Hope you change her attitude.
• 1:08:16
  That's. So rude, but yes. 2 great
• 1:08:21
  characters. I and I loved Dorian Gray's
• 1:08:24
  ending, which is I'm going to be in this place for all eternity
• 1:08:28
  right here. Doing what I do, which is
• 1:08:30
  staring at the wall, my portraits, and dancing.
• 1:08:33
  I thought that was pretty cool, yeah.
• 1:08:36
  I also didn't realize till that moment.
• 1:08:38
  Like, I think all those portraits are supposed to be
• 1:08:40
  people he's like, loved over the years.
• 1:08:43
  Yeah, people he's loved or people he's collected.
• 1:08:46
  I can't really tell. But either way, it's dark.
• 1:08:49
  A mixture of the two, definitely.
• 1:08:52
  I also love the little the band of women they get together.
• 1:08:58
  Yeah, they're really kind of like what we were saying about
• 1:09:01
  season one. I feel like they are like almost
• 1:09:03
  like echoes of who Lily was in season one, 'cause they're very
• 1:09:07
  vibrant and kind of patched together.
• 1:09:09
  There's a little bit more of, like a price point to them now.
• 1:09:13
  It's a little bit more advanced, but it's still very much like
• 1:09:16
  the women of the street. Her kind of blending into
• 1:09:18
  Dorian's place, yes, especially as Lily upgrades their wardrobe,
• 1:09:24
  which I'm also like. How much money does Dorian have
• 1:09:26
  like? The limit does not exist, no.
• 1:09:30
  We also get a look at a very different world when Ethan is
• 1:09:35
  extradited back to the US. Man, that was crazy.
• 1:09:40
  And again, I was just kind of shocked again that Gabriella
• 1:09:43
  wasn't nominated for this season because now she's designing 2
• 1:09:46
  locations. I mean, this is like Westworld
• 1:09:51
  level costumes. Oh yeah.
• 1:09:54
  So very good. It was fun seeing Ethan back in
• 1:09:57
  his home environment. What I was not prepared for was
• 1:10:01
  Logan Roy pointing a gun at Ethan Chandler.
• 1:10:05
  I was not ready for that. I'm like Sir, I forgot you were
• 1:10:08
  in this. It's like session daddy's back
• 1:10:11
  and he's passed. I also forgot the heckity was in
• 1:10:16
  this season and when she popped up again, I was like, girl wait,
• 1:10:21
  what? Another unpopular opinion.
• 1:10:24
  I kind of shipped them together. Of course you did, but.
• 1:10:28
  They they were kind of good together, you know.
• 1:10:31
  There were like 2 evil forces doing it till she tried to turn
• 1:10:35
  him evil. Yeah, that part.
• 1:10:37
  Like if she if she had tried to, like be like been like, yeah, I
• 1:10:42
  see. Like how being evil just got my
• 1:10:44
  mother murdered. Let me, let me try to, like, be
• 1:10:49
  good and help you. And then I probably would have
• 1:10:52
  shipped it. I also was kind of bummed when
• 1:10:54
  she just assassinated those nut couple in the farmhouse.
• 1:10:58
  But you know, unnecessary girl. But she was hot anyways.
• 1:11:10
  Doctor Jekyll is a great character I that's typically
• 1:11:13
  like a literary character I have zero interest in.
• 1:11:17
  But I could get behind this Doctor Jekyll Slash becomes Lord
• 1:11:20
  Hyde at the end, Yeah, like. And again, like another like
• 1:11:27
  missed opportunity with a character.
• 1:11:30
  Yeah. And I love his costuming cause
• 1:11:34
  again it's like a little more streamlined.
• 1:11:36
  Like he's not from England. So he also has like some of
• 1:11:39
  those like Indian influences, like especially and like not so
• 1:11:44
  much like the overall look, but like in the trim you can see it
• 1:11:49
  a little bit. So she did a good like blending
• 1:11:53
  of that. But also he's just like, I am a
• 1:11:54
  man of science. Like I don't need anything too.
• 1:11:57
  Yeah, I'm going to be a Lord, but I don't need anything too
• 1:12:00
  crazy. Yeah, he's very polished and put
• 1:12:02
  together. And then other guest characters
• 1:12:06
  that we loved. I love, like we mentioned Kat,
• 1:12:09
  Katarina Hartigan, because I do feel like she kind of has.
• 1:12:13
  They didn't really flesh out this character fully, which is
• 1:12:16
  why I'm suspicious about a season 4.
• 1:12:19
  But she gives like Van Helsing Vampire Slayer Buffy the Vampire
• 1:12:25
  Slayer feelings to her, and she also reminded me of I'm sure
• 1:12:29
  you've seen it. Remember the movie A League of
• 1:12:32
  Extraordinary Gentlemen? It has been forever since I've
• 1:12:36
  seen that movie. Oh my gosh, I forgot it existed.
• 1:12:39
  It's a good one. And this character reminds me of
• 1:12:42
  that character who's actually Mina Harker.
• 1:12:45
  So I was like, Oh my gosh, right.
• 1:12:48
  This character is supposed to be a Vampire Slayer and that's
• 1:12:51
  where they were going with this character.
• 1:12:52
  If there was a season four and you know what she you know what
• 1:12:57
  this is. I get like 90s goth.
• 1:13:00
  Yeah, it's Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
• 1:13:03
  That's where this character's supposed to be.
• 1:13:04
  It's killing me. It's so good, it's so good.
• 1:13:10
  And at the end of this all, we have the costume.
• 1:13:17
  Oh man, that kind of defines Vanessa Ives.
• 1:13:23
  And Gabriella talked about it in the behind the scenes for Season
• 1:13:28
  3. We're talking about the finale
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  gown that's been haunting your dreams for multiple years now.
• 1:13:35
  Too long, Gabriella said. The costumes for the finale have
• 1:13:41
  been the most difficult. In the end I was a bit bit
• 1:13:45
  frustrated and made both a white and black dress.
• 1:13:50
  I handed them over and said, you decide both were used.
• 1:13:54
  And therefore I did well to make both, which I really like that,
• 1:14:01
  Like, 'cause I I, I couldn't find an image of the black
• 1:14:05
  version of this gown. But it's very much like, that's
• 1:14:09
  like, OK, she's given herself over to Dracula.
• 1:14:15
  You know, she's kind of like, OK, this is the love I've been
• 1:14:17
  looking for. But she's still wearing those
• 1:14:20
  dark colors. She's still, you know, not
• 1:14:22
  happy. And then when Ethan finds her,
• 1:14:25
  she's in that, like, creamy color that always comes back
• 1:14:30
  when she thinks, like when she thinks of happier times or how
• 1:14:33
  she could be happier. And she is like, at her most
• 1:14:37
  miserable. She is like at the end.
• 1:14:39
  She's like, I can't, this is it. It's really a very sad, tragic
• 1:14:45
  scene because it's Vanessa Ives. She's like you said, in this
• 1:14:49
  vulnerable state. And it was, it was nice
• 1:14:52
  rewatching it after all these years because you expect like
• 1:14:55
  this epic fight scene. I knew that Vanessa was gonna
• 1:14:58
  die. But I didn't remember how it
• 1:15:00
  happened. I just remember it was tragic
• 1:15:02
  and I knew that Ethan Chandler had something to do with it, but
• 1:15:06
  I thought they were in, you know, like a Darth Vader, Luke
• 1:15:09
  Skywalker fight scene. But no, he walks in and
• 1:15:12
  Vanessa's like, bruh, the gig is up.
• 1:15:16
  That Dracula guy in the other room is not cool.
• 1:15:19
  And I am not moving on to season four.
• 1:15:22
  Like, it's very, very sad. And I just feel like, yeah, that
• 1:15:26
  white gown was Vanessa's way of almost Just kind of.
• 1:15:29
  Just showing Ethan like she's not fully gone at this moment
• 1:15:35
  and she just has. She still hasn't understand
• 1:15:37
  what's going on because if she's wearing all black, she would
• 1:15:40
  have been like the mother of evil.
• 1:15:43
  I think Ethan Chandler would have took a very quick step
• 1:15:45
  back, but the white is more inviting.
• 1:15:49
  Yeah, and she is like this and she kind of like tells her
• 1:15:53
  without telling him. She's like, I've like, made a
• 1:15:56
  decision I can't go back from. But with you, I am the happiest
• 1:16:01
  I'll ever be. So please, just like, give me
• 1:16:03
  this last moment and let me go out.
• 1:16:06
  With my heartbreak all over again.
• 1:16:08
  Honestly, it's so it's so depressing, man.
• 1:16:14
  I'm laughing because I'm nervous.
• 1:16:18
  Yeah, it's it's great. And, you know, after all these
• 1:16:21
  years? You and I used to always
• 1:16:23
  complain about the third season, but now with a more Clearview, I
• 1:16:28
  thought it was a very perfect finale.
• 1:16:30
  I do. I appreciate it more.
• 1:16:33
  I'm like, I I wish it wasn't the end of it, but I get it.
• 1:16:38
  And like this final moment of hers is a perfect moment.
• 1:16:43
  Like if you could just submit individual scenes to the Emmys
• 1:16:47
  and be like, oh, best scene drama.
• 1:16:50
  I'm like, this would have won. That and anytime Eva Green was
• 1:16:56
  in a possession or like in the asylum scenes those are.
• 1:17:00
  I mean think of the emotional took the emotional toll it took
• 1:17:04
  to be in those scenes when she had you know like the mouthpiece
• 1:17:07
  on the headpiece on and scratching the walls and
• 1:17:10
  speaking in tongues. It was it's so impressive.
• 1:17:14
  And Elizabeth, I am so glad that we got to.
• 1:17:19
  Watch Penny Dreadful because it has been an absolute treat, such
• 1:17:24
  a treat, and I really liked what Gabriella said about the project
• 1:17:31
  as a whole, she said. I really enjoy the richness that
• 1:17:37
  exists in each episode. That is the marvelous thing
• 1:17:41
  about this job. And it's like, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:45
  Yeah. I get it.
• 1:17:46
  I mean, it's very detail oriented.
• 1:17:48
  It was. I'm glad if they were gonna
• 1:17:51
  write a season four and it was gonna be garbage.
• 1:17:53
  I'm glad they ended it where it did because it ended on such a
• 1:17:56
  high note. Yeah, it was a perfect season,
• 1:18:01
  perfect series. I'm so glad you and I got to
• 1:18:03
  talk about it. Also, I have in my notes one
• 1:18:05
  more jab at Frankenstein. His character was absolute trash
• 1:18:09
  in season three and he could go fuck himself.
• 1:18:11
  It's horrible. I did not like him at all.
• 1:18:16
  I just could not believe the season long tantrum he was
• 1:18:20
  having with Lily. It was so tacky.
• 1:18:23
  I hated it. No all love to the actor but as
• 1:18:26
  a character. Victor Frankenstein.
• 1:18:28
  Tomato, tomato. Yeah, no, it's so bad when he's
• 1:18:33
  like, 'cause it. It was that whole like, oh,
• 1:18:36
  you're not behaving the way I want to.
• 1:18:38
  So therefore there's something wrong with you.
• 1:18:40
  Victorian mentality and the way she had to like, shove it in his
• 1:18:45
  face to be like there is nothing wrong with me, It was ridiculous
• 1:18:49
  there. Was like 4 different episodes
• 1:18:51
  where she straight up said to his face like you're our love
• 1:18:55
  together is not real, it's imaginary, It's in your head.
• 1:18:58
  I don't love you like that. Like, please leave my property
• 1:19:02
  before I have you executed. And he was like, all right, I'll
• 1:19:05
  try again tomorrow. It's like, no stop.
• 1:19:10
  It's like Sir, it is over, please.
• 1:19:13
  Even Mr. Claire moved on and went on about his life.
• 1:19:19
  Mr. Claire got the message when she was like, absolutely no.
• 1:19:23
  And he was like, I'm not happy, but OK.
• 1:19:26
  Yeah, I'm gonna get on. I'm just gonna go leave.
• 1:19:30
  Oh man. And that brings us to the end of
• 1:19:33
  Penny Dreadful. It's been a little bit of a
• 1:19:36
  longer episode, but we just had a lot of thoughts and feelings.
• 1:19:39
  We had three seasons to get through.
• 1:19:41
  Yeah, come on, give us a break. We've been watching for three
• 1:19:45
  weeks, so you will listen to this hour long episode.
• 1:19:51
  Absolutely. But before you go, Spencer,
• 1:19:55
  should we play our favorite game?
• 1:19:57
  We shall, Daniel, you know what to do.
• 1:20:01
  The one costume to rule them all.
• 1:20:08
  Spencer What was your one costume to rule them all?
• 1:20:11
  Maya was actually very easy. I picked it almost immediately
• 1:20:16
  and I picked it in season one. And after seasons two and three,
• 1:20:20
  I still stuck with it. It is Vanessa Ives.
• 1:20:24
  Season one dress that she wears pretty much throughout the
• 1:20:27
  entire season, but she layers on top of it.
• 1:20:30
  It's that black, just perfect dress with that really
• 1:20:33
  interesting type of like lace on top of it with the black neck.
• 1:20:39
  It is just so interesting. And to me that's just, that's
• 1:20:43
  Vanessa Ives. If you were to detail this
• 1:20:45
  character, it's. I've seen pictures of this dress
• 1:20:48
  100 times and it just says everything about this character
• 1:20:52
  and I love it, absolutely. I also think that's one of the
• 1:20:55
  first costumes you think of when you think of her character.
• 1:21:01
  I think of the show and all together I think of that, yeah.
• 1:21:05
  Yeah, absolutely. And I have to say, this one was
• 1:21:09
  like a very hard one for me. Yeah, you haven't submitted your
• 1:21:14
  your answer yet. It's been a week and I've I keep
• 1:21:17
  checking our notes to see what Elizabeth's is.
• 1:21:21
  That's because I just decided cause quite frankly, it was
• 1:21:25
  between this, the finale dress and I have chosen the finale.
• 1:21:33
  I mean, it's a good one. It's this dress is burned into
• 1:21:37
  my memory. Exactly.
• 1:21:41
  I'm like, it's it's like her final form.
• 1:21:43
  It is. It says everything about her
• 1:21:46
  character and it's just like also, just like the shapes it
• 1:21:52
  makes. Yeah, incredible.
• 1:21:55
  It's it's like a mother of evil silhouette.
• 1:21:58
  But Vanessa Ives is still in there trying to just have one
• 1:22:01
  more moment. Mr. Chandler, yes.
• 1:22:05
  Oh so good, so good. If you would like to let us know
• 1:22:15
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• 1:22:20
  Penny Dreadful, you can leave us a voicemail at 626-515-1826 or
• 1:22:29
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• 1:22:35
  Spencer What are we watching next week?
• 1:22:39
  I'm very excited about next week's episode and I have not
• 1:22:42
  watched it yet and everyone's gonna, which blows my mind.
• 1:22:46
  I cannot believe this. I have never seen this movie.
• 1:22:51
  It was designed by 1 Colleen Atwood so already I should have
• 1:22:56
  seen it. It is Sleepy Hollow, another
• 1:23:02
  spooky season classic and for some reason I've never seen it.
• 1:23:06
  I feel like I've seen. Clips of it at like the
• 1:23:09
  laundromat, but I've just never sat down and done it, so I'm
• 1:23:13
  really excited. It's Colleen Atwood.
• 1:23:15
  It's Tim Burton. It like.
• 1:23:18
  It's all the ingredients to a Spencer meal.
• 1:23:21
  But yeah, I'm like, well you said that I was like Spencer,
• 1:23:27
  even I have seen this. I don't know.
• 1:23:29
  It's just I haven't done it. But I'm excited.
• 1:23:32
  And once I kind of We planned Sleepy Hollow.
• 1:23:35
  Honestly, like last year. So I just the for the past year
• 1:23:39
  just I'm gonna watch it for the podcast I've been waiting.
• 1:23:41
  So I'm excited. I'm gonna do it and I can't
• 1:23:44
  wait. And I'm sure there's with a
• 1:23:46
  Colleen Atwood film, I'm sure there's all a whole bunch of
• 1:23:49
  great costumes to talk about. Oh, yes.
• 1:23:51
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• 1:23:55
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• 1:23:58
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• 1:24:25
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• 1:24:28
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• 1:24:31
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• 1:24:33
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• 1:24:38
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• 1:24:48
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• 1:24:50
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• 1:24:52
  Yeah. And Elizabeth, I am so excited
• 1:24:55
  to watch Sleepy Hollow. I honestly might go do it right
• 1:24:57
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• 1:25:00
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• 1:25:04
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• 1:25:08
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• 1:25:11
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  the best in costume. Recording on zoom OK and 321
• 1:26:21
  snap. It's getting harder and harder
• 1:26:25
  to snap. I think I'm getting.
• 1:26:26
  Oh my snap was really bad. Yeah.
• 1:26:29
  Is it the changing weather or? I don't know.
• 1:26:33
  I mean, my hands are like very dry right now.
• 1:26:35
  Maybe like that's part of it. You have like those Dumbledore
• 1:26:41
  hands, you know, when he's throwing all the Horcruxes,
• 1:26:44
  they're all black and rotted. Yeah, it got like trench hand.
• 1:26:50
  Oh my gosh. I wouldn't be surprised.