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#1797 Two Gym Dinosaurs - Tobias Quinn · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: A team. Welcome to another installing the You Project. Craig
• 0:02
  Speaker 1: Anthony Harper just chiming in. I know you thought it
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  Speaker 1: might be someone different today, but it's not fucking me.
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  Speaker 1: So here we are. I hope you're having a good day.
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  Speaker 1: Things are rolling at Bloody Camp, typ Camp, the You
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  Speaker 1: Project lots on. We've started a thing called the seven
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: Day Kickstart. Depending on when you listen to this, of
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  Speaker 1: course a million people have dived in. We're having fun,
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  Speaker 1: we're enjoying the frivolities, and it's great to see people
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  Speaker 1: getting a little bit excited about doing something positive and
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  Speaker 1: constructive and proactive to change something about their life or
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  Speaker 1: their habits, or the thinking or their behavior. Which is
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  Speaker 1: what we're about now today. Is I have a typ
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  Speaker 1: debutante and also a podcast debutante. He's a podcast vergin,
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  Speaker 1: So be really gentle with him. His name's Toby Quinn.
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  Speaker 1: He and I go way back. His official name he's
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  Speaker 1: grown up, big boy, big pants. Name is to buy
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  Speaker 1: but fuck that. I don't other people do. How many
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  Speaker 1: people call you Tobias and how many people you call
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  Speaker 1: people call you Toby?
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  Speaker 2: What's the split? It'd be close to fifty to fifty.
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  Speaker 1: Who calls you Tobias like I feel like people who
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  Speaker 1: are angry at you.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's actually the other way, the Tobias Quinn. You know,
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  Speaker 3: when you walk into a room, ah, Tobias Quinn and
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  Speaker 3: when you sit down and have a chat.
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  Speaker 2: With the friends and buddies.
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  Speaker 1: So it's quite posh, isn't it, Like you don't it's
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  Speaker 1: how many Tobiases have you met? Ah?
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  Speaker 2: Two two? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Other than myself, it's not nearly as fancy as Craig,
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  Speaker 1: is it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Craigo if you had the ol on the end's
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  Speaker 2: pretty exciting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Craigo. See, people can tell, like the people who
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  Speaker 1: yeah jumbo fatty rps. People who call me Craigo have
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  Speaker 1: known me for a long time. So there's about probably
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  Speaker 1: fifty people in the world who call me that, which
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  Speaker 1: is I guess that's a lot, but that's generally family friends,
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  Speaker 1: or people that family and friends, and or people that
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  Speaker 1: I've just known for a really long time. Now let's
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  Speaker 1: give everyone the background. So when give or take, when
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  Speaker 1: did you and I meet? What year do you reckon?
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  Speaker 3: That was nineteen ninety nine, so that's twenty six years ago,
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  Speaker 3: so you must have only been about seven.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was just turning.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was around my eighth birthday.
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  Speaker 1: And so to give everyone perspective, so Toby worked for
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  Speaker 1: me with me at one of my centers. Over the years,
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  Speaker 1: I had four gyms, and Toby worked at my corefield
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  Speaker 1: gym here in the thriving metropolis of Melbourne. So how
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  Speaker 1: old were you really when you started working with me?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm fifty now, so I'll let you do the math.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty four, so twenty six years ago. So give will
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  Speaker 1: take you at twenty four and what how do we
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  Speaker 1: end up? I don't even know. I should know more
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  Speaker 1: than this, but I did like five hundred trainers. How
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  Speaker 1: did we end up working together? How did you end
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  Speaker 1: up coming to Harper's?
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  Speaker 2: I was what was I doing? So I had to
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  Speaker 2: do my SERTs. Wanted to be a PT.
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  Speaker 3: I did a certificate in or a diploma of fitness,
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  Speaker 3: and then did a bit of travel and I came
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  Speaker 3: back and I was like, I think I want to
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  Speaker 3: get into that.
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  Speaker 2: Moved to Melbourne, found.
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  Speaker 3: High energy network, yes with Rusty, Tara, yourself and Jack
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  Speaker 3: and everybody. Yeah, and loved it. Love listening to you.
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  Speaker 3: Learnt a lot that was excited to get into the
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  Speaker 3: PT world and interviewed with you finally in ninety nine,
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  Speaker 3: which didn't go well.
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  Speaker 1: So I interviewed you for your position, did I?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? In that was the one on the highway, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the big one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, an Apan Highway, so brighton. Yeah, how did I
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  Speaker 1: remember this? I may have interviewed a few people. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: throw me under the bus. What did I do?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I was a little bit trendier than Craig Harper is
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  Speaker 3: now and I was wearing.
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  Speaker 2: Like camo shorts and a T shirt.
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  Speaker 3: And you were like this guy turning up to an interview.
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  Speaker 2: Dress like that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think he was very professional, but luckily won
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  Speaker 3: you over and ended up managing Collfield.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it was pretty cool but funny story.
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  Speaker 1: Well you were, well you're still a handsome bugger, but
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  Speaker 1: you you were. I think when back in the day
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  Speaker 1: you were modeling, you were doing quite a lot of that,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like you were trying to figure shit
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  Speaker 1: out back in those days, like because you had a
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  Speaker 1: few balls in the air you were doing or you
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  Speaker 1: had done a fair bit of security, getting punched in
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  Speaker 1: the face and all those things. Not much dollars an hour,
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  Speaker 1: just like your boss for a period of time and
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  Speaker 1: then but some modeling and some PT what was the
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  Speaker 1: how did you end up in the middle of all
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  Speaker 1: of that?
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  Speaker 3: So when I left school, obviously not real bright as
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  Speaker 3: we know, we can say that now, not real bright,
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  Speaker 3: didn't know what I wanted to do, and some security
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  Speaker 3: work came up.
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  Speaker 2: So I was working in the fitness industry.
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  Speaker 3: Was a PT in Canberra back in the day, and
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  Speaker 3: started doing security in the casino industry.
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  Speaker 1: That like, what was that? Like?
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  Speaker 2: It was for me?
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  Speaker 3: It was a really cool experience, very professional, well run
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  Speaker 3: obviously you know they were the casinos Austria, so they
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  Speaker 3: were very well run, a lot of training. But I
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  Speaker 3: was lucky you to get off at a position up
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  Speaker 3: in cans and was security supervisor up there of that
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  Speaker 3: casino when it opened in ninety five.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, and what year were you born?
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  Speaker 2: I was born in seventy four.
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  Speaker 1: So twenty one year head of security for a casine.
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  Speaker 3: Know, I was a supervisor. I wasn't the head of security,
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  Speaker 3: one of the supervisors. And that was a really cool experience.
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  Speaker 3: Big team, well trained, Our management was x sas so
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  Speaker 3: we're the high highest trained casino security team in the
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  Speaker 3: world at that stage, which was really cool, but I
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  Speaker 3: got bored, didn't enjoy what I was doing, needed more.
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  Speaker 3: So a summer camp job came up and I thought
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  Speaker 3: I'm out, so I went and did that.
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  Speaker 1: What before we go into that? What? What do you
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  Speaker 1: when you're doing security in a casino? What I mean?
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  Speaker 1: What do you do?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: What are you looking for? Are you looking for people
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  Speaker 1: who are cheating? Are you or are you just throwing
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  Speaker 1: pissed blokes out? Or people? What are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Like? What?
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  Speaker 1: What are your primary roles?
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  Speaker 2: So all of that, all of the above.
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  Speaker 3: But if you're you could work in the surveillance area
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  Speaker 3: of the casino where you're watching gaming and making sure
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  Speaker 3: people are behaving and not stealing, watching the dodgies, or
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  Speaker 3: you're on the floor on the door. You know, different roles,
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  Speaker 3: different things. Letting intoxicated patrons gamble is a big no no.
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  Speaker 3: So I think I still have the record for the
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  Speaker 3: most removals of people out of cans casino, which, for
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  Speaker 3: those that don't know, Queenslanders seem to be able to
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  Speaker 3: or think they can drink a lot more than anybody
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  Speaker 3: else and don't think they're intoxicated, so it's quite a challenge.
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  Speaker 3: To try and tell them that they are intoxicated and
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  Speaker 3: they are not welcome in the facility.
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  Speaker 2: So that caused a little bit of trouble often.
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  Speaker 1: And how long did it take you to get efficient, competent,
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  Speaker 1: skilled at getting drunk? Potentially I guess every now and
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  Speaker 1: then someone who is a little bit angry or potentially
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  Speaker 1: violent or a little bit unpredictable. How do you do that?
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  Speaker 1: Because obviously you don't want to be rolling around the
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  Speaker 1: floor of the casino, and you need to maintain this
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  Speaker 1: sense of professionalism and quality and excellence while doing what
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  Speaker 1: it can be a pretty shitty job.
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  Speaker 3: So in that environment, it's way different to door work.
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  Speaker 3: So doing door work in a nightclub or a bar
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  Speaker 3: is completely different to the way you treat patrons in
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  Speaker 3: a casino. Everything's recorded, you're filmed the whole time. We
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  Speaker 3: normally try and approach people three at a time with distance.
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  Speaker 2: To start with.
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  Speaker 3: If it heats up, we have little hand gestures or
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  Speaker 3: signals where we'd bring the team in and then we'd
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  Speaker 3: tighten up on them. We'd restrain them before we do
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  Speaker 3: anything if it got violent. But most of the time
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  Speaker 3: it'd be using your words well to try and try
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  Speaker 3: and escort them out and just let them know why,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, as little hassle as possible. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: as I said, the Queenslanders do like to drink a
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  Speaker 3: lot more than most people.
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  Speaker 2: From my experience, where did you grow up, camera boy?
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  Speaker 1: And what was that? Like?
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  Speaker 2: How far back do you want to go?
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  Speaker 1: As far as you? I mean, I mean today is
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  Speaker 1: really just I don't know You've got There's a few
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  Speaker 1: things I want to talk to you about, but I
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  Speaker 1: know you have an interesting backstory, and I just think, like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean this with full respect, because you're doing some
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  Speaker 1: really cool things and you're building an amazing thing, which
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about later. But I like talking to people
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  Speaker 1: who are just kind of on the journey. Not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: the megastar, not necessarily the billionaire or the Olympic athlete
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  Speaker 1: or the person who qued cancer or you know, but
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  Speaker 1: just because you had from as from what I can remember,
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  Speaker 1: you didn't have the best childhood of all time.
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  Speaker 2: No, it was a pretty rough upbringing.
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  Speaker 3: And more so, looking back on it now, I'm actually
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  Speaker 3: amazed that you know how I turned out without blow
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  Speaker 3: my own trumpet, a horn or any of that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But like my dad left when I was three, single
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  Speaker 3: mom who had to work to keep a roof over ahead,
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  Speaker 3: you know, two jobs. Wasn't home a lot. So I
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  Speaker 3: grew up very quickly, which.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't sound so bad.
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  Speaker 3: But then when you're in the school system and teachers
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  Speaker 3: are talking to you like you're, you know, a child,
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  Speaker 3: when you've had to be an adult, that level of disrespect,
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't really handle very well and didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't enjoy it. But you were a child though
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was, so they weren't really disrespect Well, it's that,
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  Speaker 1: but I know what you mean, because you'd been used
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  Speaker 1: to having to do adult things. Yeah, now you go
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  Speaker 1: to school and it's a different energy.
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  Speaker 2: It is completely different energy.
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  Speaker 3: So even like I remember, you know, I used to
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  Speaker 3: get in trouble all the time, but it wasn't I
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  Speaker 3: never did anything really naughty. I just didn't like to
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  Speaker 3: be treated a certain way and thought, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if it was a righteous thing or you know,
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  Speaker 3: how dere you talk to me like that, But I've
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  Speaker 3: spent how old.
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  Speaker 1: Were you when you started pushing back?
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  Speaker 2: Young? Like I'm talking ten eleven, twelve?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I had to work it, you know, twelve
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  Speaker 3: years old I'm watching motorbikes and stuff like that to
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  Speaker 3: give money to my mother. So weak as sur vive, right, So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, not your general childhood. But yeah, I spend
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  Speaker 3: most of my time at school in the corridor, to
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  Speaker 3: the point where I remember drawing the corridor three dimensional
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  Speaker 3: bricks and all.
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  Speaker 2: I was out there that often.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know, as far as education goes, it was
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  Speaker 3: quite tough, you know, and the teachers back then were
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  Speaker 3: a bit different to.
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  Speaker 2: The way they are now.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, like I remember turning up late to class
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  Speaker 3: and that the you know, the smartest kid in the
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  Speaker 3: school was behind me, but I was the one that
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  Speaker 3: got in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, but how come he doesn't get in trouble?
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  Speaker 2: You know, stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: What was the thing that you wanted to do when
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  Speaker 1: you were a kid, or the thing that you were
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  Speaker 1: good at, or maybe the thing that you were fascinated
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  Speaker 1: with doing or being when you thought about what you
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  Speaker 1: might do eventually as a grown up.
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  Speaker 3: It's a super interesting question because I think about this often.
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  Speaker 2: I never had a passion or.
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  Speaker 3: A drive to be or do anything, but knew that
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to be different or had a sense that
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  Speaker 3: I was different. So never been a drink and never
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  Speaker 3: done drugs, never being mixed up in any of that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, my school was pretty rough as well,
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  Speaker 3: so I didn't really mix well with that side of things.
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  Speaker 3: So the journey towards the security was kind of a
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  Speaker 3: natural progression for me. I did martial arts growing up,
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  Speaker 3: played rugby, was in the gym early, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: started training when I was about fourteen, lifting weights, So
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  Speaker 3: that was kind of a natural progression, but I didn't
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  Speaker 3: enjoy it. I enjoyed talking to people. I enjoy people,
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  Speaker 3: but I didn't enjoy being the security of people.
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  Speaker 2: And growing up, you know.
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  Speaker 3: There was a lot of alcoholism around my childhood, you know,
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  Speaker 3: going to Christmas with my parents or my mum and
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  Speaker 3: seeing the violence that came from that. We'd go to
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  Speaker 3: the football, there be a fight at the football, you know,
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  Speaker 3: with all these you know, Mum's so called friends, and
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  Speaker 3: I didn't like it. I didn't want to be around it.
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  Speaker 3: And that's you know, one of the reasons why I
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  Speaker 3: never drank.
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  Speaker 2: I just wasn't didn't want to be a part of
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  Speaker 2: that life.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it funny that sometimes in our life we see
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  Speaker 1: things that we don't want to be or that we
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  Speaker 1: don't want to do, and nobody necessarily points it out
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  Speaker 1: to you. Like I grew up and not that my
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: mum and dad were terrible with booze, but there was
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  Speaker 1: always our cohol in my home. Mum and dad pretty
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  Speaker 1: much from when I can remember, they drank every day.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't say there are colleagues that's about,
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  Speaker 1: but every night there'd be wine, like seven nights of
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  Speaker 1: the week, fifty two weeks of the year, and all
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  Speaker 1: their friends drank, and they drank, and when they'd have
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  Speaker 1: a barbie, I'm like, really, because to me, I used
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  Speaker 1: to just watch adults become fucking morons, right, they would
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: just get dumber and dumber. And I would think to myself,
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  Speaker 1: even when I was ten, why why do they do this?
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  Speaker 1: Like do they not know one how stupid they look
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  Speaker 1: or how stupid they become. And I remember, probably like
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  Speaker 1: you very young, I went, I'm never doing that. That's
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  Speaker 1: not a thing I'm ever doing. I'm never going to
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  Speaker 1: drink booze. And then when I got a bit older
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  Speaker 1: and my mates started drinking, some of them quite quite
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: a few didn't drink, you know, that'd have the odd
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  Speaker 1: but then a few mates that would drink a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, how's that going for you? So, I mean
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  Speaker 1: that'd be earning four hundred bucks a week and spending
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy dollars a week on two nights
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  Speaker 1: in a night club or you know. I'm like, and
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  Speaker 1: they'd be shitfaced by eleven o'clock and falling down and
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  Speaker 1: getting thrown out and getting rejected by women left and right,
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  Speaker 1: and then spewing in the car park. I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: I really feel like I'm missing out well the.
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  Speaker 3: Quality of conversation that comes with that too. I just
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  Speaker 3: used to drive me and say it. I'm like, mate,
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  Speaker 3: that's the third time you've told me you love me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just like, tell me that when you're sober. Why
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  Speaker 3: do you need to be drunk to tell me that?
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  Speaker 3: And that was quite a young age, Like I started
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  Speaker 3: doing security when I was I think around sixteen, for
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  Speaker 3: you know, school parties and that sort of stuff, and
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  Speaker 3: just you're an idiot.
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  Speaker 1: Were you a big? Were you big? Because you're a big,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: solid unit? Now, how big were you when you were sixteen?
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  Speaker 1: Because sixteen's pretty young.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't huge, and but I was handy, handy.
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  Speaker 1: So I've been training, You've been doing a lot of
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  Speaker 1: martial arts and boxing and shit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And just like with the you know, the wrist
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  Speaker 3: locks and being able to remove people and detain people and.
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  Speaker 2: That sort of stuff, I was quite good at. So
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  Speaker 2: it made my job a lot easier. And you know that.
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  Speaker 3: We used to get in We had the bikers that
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  Speaker 3: used to come in all the time. And I remember
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  Speaker 3: once one of the bikers did some inappropriate stuff to
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  Speaker 3: one of our waitresses.
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  Speaker 2: And I was first night on shift.
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  Speaker 3: I'd been overseas in Japan, sorry, in America to we're
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  Speaker 3: going over there to fight in a tournament that got canceled.
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  Speaker 3: And I just got back and this is my first
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  Speaker 3: big gig in you know, the proper nightlife type scenario.
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  Speaker 1: And how old were you?
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  Speaker 3: I just turned eighteen, and I was like, this guy's
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  Speaker 3: not staying. You've got to go. And my manager, I
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  Speaker 3: think his name was Gill at the time, he was
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  Speaker 3: about four foot two, and he was like, oh no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: no no, And I'm like, I'm telling you now, this
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  Speaker 3: guy's out.
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  Speaker 2: And there was obviously the bikey you know.
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  Speaker 3: Mentality of there's more ways, more than one so that
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  Speaker 3: caused a lot of trouble for me, you know, outside
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  Speaker 3: of the nightclub scene as well, which was really interesting.
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  Speaker 3: So it ended up being quite a rough place on
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  Speaker 3: camera that so you.
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  Speaker 1: Put him out and were their consequences after that ongoing
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: for anything?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was an interesting That was a really
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: interesting thing.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: I can't remember the guy's name, but we're at we're
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: at another bar called the Avenue, which was downstairs in
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: the city, and this guy's run down and goes they're here,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, who's here? And he goes the bikers
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, what do you mean? And they're driven
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: up on the sidewalk. There was like six bikes and
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: at this time it was my instructor and I the
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: only you know, two people in there. And I went, oh, well,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: here we go. So I walked upstairs and approached him
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: straight up, walked straight up to the head guy and
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: I said, mate, you're in the role, what's the problem
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: and talked our.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Way out of it.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Luckily, but after that there was full respect that we
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: didn't back down from them, but it didn't turn into
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: any brawls at that stage, which was look at you
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: like a grown up trying to use my words.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well first night I did security, I got
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: head butted and got my nose broken at the Matthew
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Flinders on Morigle Road. Wasn't their fault, Matthew Flinders, not
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: your phone? Yeah, which was And a nightclub there which
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I think was called Armadaeus there.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just sounds sounds hectic.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was hectic. It was hectic. And then after
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: that I proceeded to work there for it or there
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: and other spots for another three years and it was
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: like for me that that whole work and insecurity. I'm
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: not saying I was a tough guy anyone. I wasn't,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it was just a different, like a different
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: world from training and doing a bit of boxing and
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: rolling around with people and grappling and wrestling and fucking
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: around in the gym too, being like in the foyer
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: of a nightclub and some head butts you ferociously and
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, like that really hurts, Like that hurts
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, And I was a big jet because
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: I was big then I was bodybuilding and I was
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: fucking huge. I'm like I was just like a big, friendly,
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: fucking bear and I'm like, why would you. I didn't
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: do anything that I was putting him out right because
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: when fucking up, but like he deserved it.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't in dragon him backwards by the
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: hair or anything, right, Yeah, and yeah, there's just it is.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've never been to a nightclub ever in
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: my life except to work. And my clubs are I
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: don't know what they're like now, they're probably worse. But
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: back in the back in the eighties and early nineties,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: it was hectic, like it was Mayhem. It was may
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: it really was. I used to work at it. I
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: won't say the name at the pub. And this is
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I've never said this on the show. I still work
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: at a pub. Uh. And they had on oh do
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I say this?
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: This is?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: This is I didn't create this. Remember it in the
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: old days when they had wet T shirt competitions?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: No?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like, now, looking back, I go, how
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: on earth was that even a thing? And how did
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: that happen? Anyway, So I worked at a pub. I
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: did security where that happened. And you literally used to
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: stand on the stage and push blokes, kick blokes, not
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: push not kick push boks. I could push blokes back
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: off the stage who were trying to get up on stage.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is just so fucking Neanderthal on base,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: like this ship would never happen now look back, But
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: at the time I remember it wasn't even like weird.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: It was just no, this is what happens in this
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: pub on Fridays and Saturdays. And you go there and
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that's what you do, and piss blokes try to get
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: up and you just pull them down or kick them
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: down or push them down and they laugh and then
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: they have another go. Mate. I can stay down there
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: like ah, and you look and.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Now you got like, oh my god, a funny story
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: with that.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: And back to this biking troupe that kept continuing on
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: for most of my time in camera. But we had
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: this thing called the Summer Nats, which is where all
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: the hot rod cars come and it's an amazing thing
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: that camera puts on with it is wild.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: And there was this with burnouts and quarter miles and
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: all of heaps of girls in not many clothes and
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: cars and all.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Of that thing.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: And there was a group of girls that would take
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: most of their stuff off in a bus and it
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: was driving around the summers, and I was doing security
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: in that bus and it got to the point where.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Hang on, hang on, hang on, stop stop, stop stop.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I was doing security in that bus. You were doing
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: security in a bus where girls were taking their kid off?
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hat hat, And I was young.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Do you know how many blokes one of that gig
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: back then?
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Well, this is where it got interesting. It got to
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: the point where they were pulling them. They'd pulled the
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: window off the back of the bus, you know, the
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: emergency exit window.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Who pulled it off?
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: The bunch of the bikies that were giving me a
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: hassle at the other club got involved in this as well,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: and it was quite funny. So when you talk about
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: pushing them off and pushing them out and trying.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: To keep them out of the bus, and was what was.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: The Was this a sanctioned thing? Girls in a bus
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: driving around? Was this part of the event?
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Yes? So going from location age location, can.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I just tell you that three quarters of my audience
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: are women, And I'm just sell you. I don't know
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: if we're going very well right now.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the eighties.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: The eighties was crazy? Eighties The eighties wasn't crazy? Hey,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: So you ended up in Japan working at was it
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Movie World or Warner Bro?
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: What was it Universal Studios? And what did you do there?
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: I was the sheriff in a Wild West stunt show.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: You were, so, would you call yourself a stuntman or
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: an actor or both?
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Or I would not call myself a stunt man, probably
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: not even an actor. But I landed a gig that
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: required me to do both, and that went from the
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: modeling thing, which I wouldn't really even call myself a model,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: but I was lucky enough to score that gig in Japan,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: and it was a life changing experience for me, that's
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: for sure.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: How long were you in Japan?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: So I did a total of six years?
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And what how did so when you go? I was
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: what did you say, a sheriff in a show? A
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: stage show?
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: How many people would watch that show on average?
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: So we had a capacity of around two and a
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: half thousand per show on a full day.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: And how many shows a day on the average?
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: That vary depending on the season.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: So peak season we do four to seven shows a
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: day per sheriff, per team, hang on four.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: To seven shows? How many How long is a show?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Twenty five to twenty seven?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Minutes I'm doing the maths. That's a lot of time
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: on stage performing back to back to back to back.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that'd be like a Golden Week, which is
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: you know, one of the Japanese holidays that it's at capacity.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: You know, you're getting two and a half thousand people
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: yelling and screaming and having a good old time, and
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: it was up to me to entertain them, believe it
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: or not.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: And were you either? Do I remember you telling me
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: you were like the lead character in that show or
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: one of them?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: I was the lead male lead in that show. So
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: it was myself in a Japanese counterpart that opened the show.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: I was meant to be the American over there, you know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: trying to catch these baddies, show them how it's done,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: clean up the town.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: And where did you live? Like, what what do they
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: have like special quarters for all you foreigners?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: So we all we had a purpose built apartment block
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: which was around ten minutes if you timed it right
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: to work, so very close. One hundred and eighty of
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: us living in this apartment block, all mostly good looking, fit, healthy.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Performers.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: So it was kind of Uni style, you know, a
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: lot of barbecues, a lot of parties, a lot of fun.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Wow, and I imagine no sex going on at all,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: would have just been all very but he's just friendship.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a lot of holding hands, that's all
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I know. It was funny. A couple of the girls
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: and I used to stand up on the tenth floor
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: and it was a U shaped building that had open
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: balconies and we would just watch people run from room
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: to room, you know, just go oh my god, and
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: you'd count up what floor, across what room and you're like,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: oh my god, she's with him and that. So it
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: was quite an entertaining kind of place, that's for sure.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: What was the good and bad to come out of that?
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Like when you're doing six years in Japan and you're
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: in a stage show, I assume you're making good dough.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, money was good and he was good.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the bad the only nothing really bad. To
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: be honest, it was six years, the best six years
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: of my life to date. Good money, a lot of
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: good people, and always something to do. So you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: this was before social media. We'd have a whiteboard down
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: stairs outside the lift. You could ride on that whiteboard.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Dinner tonight, garlic restaurant seven pm, and you could end
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: up with thirty people going to dinner, you.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Know, so very sociable. You know. Summer was great. We'd
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: have a blackpool out the back.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I'd clean that most mornings, fill it up, and then
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: i'd go train, come back and there'd be people in it,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: and barbecue be dragged out, and people would hang around
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: all day, come and go. Some would go off to work,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: some would go travel. You'd I'm going to a movie.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: You'd end up, you know, a few of you'd wander off,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: go to a movie, stuff like that. So it was
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: just what you'd imagine life at university.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: I obviously never went to university, but I'd imagine that
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: social scene being pretty pretty cool.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And what about what about you? I don't
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: know what doors you want to or don't want to open,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: But what about family? You said your dad left at three.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I should know this, but Dad's not live now.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Dad's around, actually is in Brisbane, I think from what
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: I understand, but I haven't spoken to him for a
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: very long time. Mother is in Naruma, New South Wales,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: South Coast, and my sister is in Melbourne.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: So are you close to any of them. Not so close,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: not as close as I would like to be.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: But that's circumstantial, right, So yeah, yeah.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about crunk, which we'll explain
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: what that is in a minute. But so there's been
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: this consistent theme through your work life anyway, which is
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: on and off from a lot of your adult life.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: You've been a trainer among other things. Like you work
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: for me as a trainer for a while, and you've
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: worked in different places and you're still doing that. You're fifty, right,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Well you're still and you work in the fancist like
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: literally the fancist Jim in Australia, what does that called that?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Join again?
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Total Fusion Platinum And that's in Brisbane, Yeah, Brisbane Newstead
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: in Brisbane, so that they call it the bubble, the
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: new Stead Bubble.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It's where all the cool kids hang out.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: How much does that joint cost a year to join?
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Give give or take minimum? Sixty?
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I think the highest you can pay us a lot
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: so you can have sixty sixty dollars a week.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Wow, So the rock bottom is three grand a year.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: What's the burger with the lot?
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: What the burger with a lot is it's like it's
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: up there. So that's medical conciers. So we've got doctors,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: we've got physios, we've got the whole boot kerboodle.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Is it big?
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Yes, huge, over four stories. I think it's the biggest
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: gym in the Southern hemisphere.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: And is there more of them or is it a
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: one off?
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: There's more there's This is the only platinum, but the
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: other gyms are really nice as well, so they've done
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: a very good job.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: And how do you feel about pteing these days? What
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: have you noticed about I don't know, the industry Like
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: you were in at the ground floor with me. You
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: were back in the days when every sect, probably I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: was going to say every second person it was more
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: like nine out of ten people would say, what's a
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: personal trainer? What's personal training? You were a trainer back
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: in those days. Has it evolved for better or worse
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: or a bit of both?
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I think as far as I think PT is interesting now,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: like people they kind of bag it a little bit.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: You know, I can do it.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: They've all got the apps and stuff, But you know,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: the people I'm training some fascinating people at the moment,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: which I really enjoy, but the offering is a lot
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: different to what it was back then as well, Like
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: you know, what we bring to the tables a lot,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: you know, the nutrition side, we're going down the wellness,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: life and longevity type path where you know, it was
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: a thing back in the day, but it wasn't a
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: thingingevity wasn't really a thing.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: We've got cold plunges, we've got infred saunas, we've got
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: all of that, you know, and we look at recovery
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: more than you probably would have back in the day
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: as being a lot more important, you know.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: And then the mental health side of things.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I thinks a lot you know, talked about a lot
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: more now, which is great too.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I think, what about the trainers on the floor, do
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: you think that I'm I'm not like, I still think
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: they're like even when I was in my bloody heyday,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: they were good trainers and bad trainers. I think it's
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the same now, right.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we have krema the crop kind of in our gym.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Like they're very you know, exercise scientists. They've studied a lot,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: they know a lot that you know, that sort of stuff.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: But I think PT in general isn't as good like
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: that it's a lot more online, less, less face to
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: face and I think there's one of the most important
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: things I believe in PT is the face to face
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: communication and connection, right, and when you know you're missing
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: that in class, Like I remember back in the day
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: when you were taking classes and.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Stuff and teaching teaching us.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: I did my Diploma of Fitness, which was I think
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: a six month course back in the day, and now
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: like I would have learned more, you know, being the
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: face to face with you than I did that. And
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: now it's even worse with less face to face stuff,
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: not as much hands on, so you and you're losing
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: that connection, right, which I think is probably eighty percent
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: of personal training is that connection piece.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's it's a really interesting development in
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: education across the board. One of my friends is doing
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: a master's degree in nutrition and doing it entirely online.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: A master's degree, that's one under a PhD, right, that's one. Yeah,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: and in the you know, they already have an undergrad.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: You need an undergrad a bachelor of something to do
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: your postgrad, which is honors or you know, masters or PhD.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: But and it's so it's two years full time and
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: they have to in two years, they have to spend
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: four weeks at UNI out like and then you know,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and that's under sufferance. But and I'm not saying that
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: they're not learning, but I'm with you. I think, you know,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I think definitely online learning has a place, but being
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: in a being an a lecture theater or a classroom
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: with somebody who knows what they're teaching and talking about
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: somebody who's got hands on in real world experience, somebody
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: who's you know, like in the example of a personal trainer.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Like when you guys, when I was teaching you, you
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: were literally being taught by the guy with the most
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: experienced in Australia in personal training, in real time, face
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: to face, you know. And it's so that's not and
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: of course you know, I mean that's sound arrogant, but
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: that's not a bad model where but there are so
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: many people now teaching in various courses that don't actually
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: even do the thing. It is that they're teaching, like
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: people in personal training courses who've never been personal trainers.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's definitely something in that, like we're losing
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: more and more of that face to face connection, which
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll talk about in a little bit, But
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: as far as PT goes, you want to see people move, right, Like,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: that's what you're doing. And you look at exercise science
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: and fears and you're watching people move.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: That's what your job is. And if you're doing that.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Online, very hard to kind of see, you know, the
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: grimace in the face if they're trying to get out
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: of a deep squad or you know whatever that is
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: that you can go, Okay, there's a weakness there, there's
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: you know, And I think that's super important when you
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: are a personal trainer.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Too and have that connection with someone.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Like I know, it's not a great model,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: and being fifty a personal trainer is probably not where
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: I wanted to be in life.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: But the face to face stuff is what it gets
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: me excited.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But I also think, like I still train
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: a few people in the gym, friends, a few projects.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I mean that lovingly. I'm sixty one. I love training them.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I love it. Like for me, it's like I don't
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: want to do fifty hours of it, but to train
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: a few friends and a few people who've got physical
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: challenges and handicaps and people who genuinely need what it
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: is that I can give. I think it's great, you know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: So I think that it's funny how you like growing up,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you think or you have an idea of where you're
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: going to be at a certain time. You know, when
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I'm forty, I'm going to be doing this or doing that,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: or when I'm fifty, are going to be here or there,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and when I'm sick, you know. And it's like, rarely
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: do people actually end up in the space they thought
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: they would be the way they thought they would land there.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yes, but you've been working on something else.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: So you've been developing a thing for a few years,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and I've been watching, I've been watching from behind the curtain,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: and it's starting to get some momentum. So tell us
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: about Crunk.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: So.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Crunk is a social network to get people off social
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: networks and connecting in real life, all based around activities
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: and interest, but big picture, to help fight loneliness through
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: human connection. And we are we're starting to get some momentum.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I think we're a little bit before our time, especially
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: when you look at what's happening in the social media space. Yeah,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: you know, the validation, the likes and comments, I've got
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: so many friends, but are they really your friend?
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: And I just love I love.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: This concept of getting people off off their screens and
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: off swiping and off the validation and actually getting out
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: and connecting and doing something they enjoy doing that they
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: might have thought that they could do or they were
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: interested in doing and kind of went, well, I don't
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: know how to go about it. So we've created a
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: platform that you can use our filters to find people,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: relocate people that share.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: A similar same interest as you.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: For example. So give me a practical example. All right,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I'm doing a gig in Sydney. I'm there for two days,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: and how would I how might I use it?
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: So you could get on crunk filter out where you're
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: going in Sydney. Then that will show people in that
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: area or gyms or activities that are happening in that area,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: and you can join, participate or connect with people to
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: do said activity. So you wanted to go for a
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: run because I know you love running such a runner,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: you'd be able to find other runners or run clubs
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: around you that are providing that service. Find a gym
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: around the corner from the hotel you're at.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: That sort of.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Could I say Hey, I'm in Sydney and it's leg day.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I want someone to train with me because I need
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: a spotter. Anyone could you do that?
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: So how do how do you make money from that?
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: So we've got a few ways, but it will be
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: the big one is going to be specific advertising to
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: people's needs. So what most other platforms do is they
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: spray and hope they get what they're looking for. So,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: for instance, you like Jim, I'm friends with you. They
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: think that I like Jim, so they'll promote to me.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: And we have specific people join. They tell us what
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: they're into, they have the location, we know how often
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: they're you know, out and about, so we can say, okay,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: here's your perfect person to market to what you know,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: whether that's a yoga person.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Or a runner or a hiker or whatever that looks like.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: And what about what about people learning how to like?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: What's the best way for me to get my head
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: around it is to jump on the website and fuck
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: around with it. I haven't even looked at it. I
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: know it's I know that's bad.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: So it is crunk dot Com. Our sloganies meet you people,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: do fun shit.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Download the app, and jump on and start to play
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: around with it, same as you would with any other
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: social platform.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't it doesn't cost anything.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Right, not free to use.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah awesome, and hopefully we can replace the big dogs
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: and become the new platform that connects active, like minded people.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: And am I allowed to say we can take this
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: bit out if you want me to take it out,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: but didn't didn't A reasonably big organization. By that, I
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: mean a really big organization have a look at it, went,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: that's great, we want to partner with you or buy
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you out and turn it into a dating app.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so we were we There was a company
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: called and I think I could say this company without
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: any hesitation. It's over arching company was called Magic Labs,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: and I don't think they're around anymore, so that's why
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: I think I can say it. They had one hundred
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: million dollars to invest in startups that connect people. So
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: being the tenacious, you know, entrepreneur founder of this cool idea,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm going to reach out to them, and
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: I ended up having three hour long conversations with them,
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: which were very interesting. They loved the concept, loved the idea,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: give us a business plan, did that, what's your marketing
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: plan and how much is it going to cost to
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: get to a million users? So we did that, and
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: then they offered a ridiculous sum to.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Partner with us.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: And then the last five minutes of the conversation they said,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: all right, we're going to turn it into a dating app.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, so the number. I don't want
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: the number, but it was it in the millions, lots
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: of millions. Yet they offered you lots of millions, Toby, Yeah, Toby,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: they offered you lots of millions. Yeah, wow.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: And if I probably turn it into a dating app,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I'd be doing all right now. But I think.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: That that is not the purpose behind what we're doing.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: I want, you know, Craig Harper to be on there
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: and it not be a problem. I want, you know,
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: the wife, the husband can use it for, you know,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: to connect with people, to go play tennis, go for
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: a height, go for a run. I wanted to remove
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: the awkwardness of a guy messaging a guy and saying,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: hey mate, do you want to go for a run?
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: You want to go for a ride? I see you
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: into fishing. I'm in town.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Do you mind if you know that sort of thing.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: And when they message him, it actually is a run
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: they want to go for.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not Hey, hi, no stop it, stop it.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: You're going to get both of us central. Well, mate,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: good on you for having that internal sat nab and
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: for paying attention and for you know, being authentic and
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: being true to your values, because I think I'm pretty
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: value driven, but I don't know to solid it when
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: let's make a dating app. Yeah, I think you're a
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: better human than me.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would think I'm an
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: absolute idiot for choosing the ladder, but I believe in
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: the purpose enough for that not to you know, even
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: be a thought.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like I've always felt and less these
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: days but it's still there, you know, like an impostor
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: or a fraud. Like do you ever go, I'm not
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: a fucking business man. What am I doing? I'm going
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: to go work on the door at the fucking you know,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: at some pobor I'm just going to go punch bugs
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: in the face, That's my natural Habitat what am I
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: doing over here?
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Every day? Actually every day across them?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: What am I doing?
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: And the thing that gets me out of that? And
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I say this to myself every day as well, and
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: I write this down in my journal and.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I do that stuff. But I'm exactly where I meant
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: to be all of the time.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: You know, the path of the journey that we're on
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: as there's a reason for it. You know, the reason
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: we knock them back was because that's not where we
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: want to be. You don't want to be that, right?
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: So am I a businessman? No? But I have a
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: passion and a drive for this thing to be something
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: more than me. And we just build the team around that.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: And you know, we're pretty set on our vision, our mission, and.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I'll stay true to that till the day I die.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: So, and so how do you measure like would success
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: be measured in the context of krunk? Would success be measured?
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I guess there'd be a few things. Would the overarching
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: one be just users? Like how many people are using it?
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Would that be the major KPI?
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then obviously we need to turn into a business. Yeah,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: but users is definitely.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: A big one. Yeah.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: So do you start off by going, let well, in
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: a way, let's not worry about the money. I mean,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: you've got to worry about the money, but let's get
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: people using it. Like, once you get enough people on board,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like, this sounds silly, but I guess
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: even with like, I definitely didn't start the U Project
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: to make money because I'd be the world's worst business man,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: because it's fucking Having a podcast is like punching yourself
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: in the face if you want to make lots of dough, right.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: But you know, I think, like I'm able to do
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: a few things in that I can do good. I
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: can share good information and education with people. I can
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: talk to cool people. I can help people that want
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: to listen without charging them anything or without Plus I
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: can build If the platform builds to the point where
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: we have you know, more than Mum and Dad and
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Nannie Marge listening, you know we've got a few listeners,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: we can get some sponsors and you know, So for me,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I definitely didn't start it because I thought I'm going
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: to get rich doing this. So I just thought, this
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: is a way to connect with lots of people. And
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I'd kind of stepped away from radio and I went,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I think that podcasts are not forever. But when I started,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: like I started my first one that didn't work about
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: eight or nine years ago, and then another one, then
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: another one, then about six or seven years ago this one.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like about just building something and then
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: if you do it well enough and you're connecting with
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: enough enough people, it's probably going to end up paying
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: a few bills.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the same for us.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: I believe there's a big business model to be made
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: out of what we're doing. Definitely, but you know, I
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: could have been a sellout with the offer that we
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: had before and taking the money and run. So it's
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: not about the money for me. It's definitely I want
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: it to be a lifestyle thing. But I believe the
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: world that we're in now, the lack of connection that
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: we're having and the validation through likes and comments, the
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: times kind of come where people don't you know that
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: they getting tired of that. They're realizing that real connection
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: is a thing, and we need that more than ever.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: In community based stuff, you know, like we could have
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: We're similar to Instagram in the sense that we could
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: have any business on crunk, any community on crunk, and
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: people join that community.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: But the powerful part is filtering.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: And being able to find people within that community to
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: go and do something different than that community, you know,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: and connect.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Outside of that. And as far as the business model goes,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: no doubt. We'll get sponsors for events.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: And you know, we're doing a Run the World Challenge
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: that kicks off in April, which is for anyone. You know,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: you get a team of six, you try and run
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: as many climbers as you can, get more points if
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: you do runs together. So you know, trying to get
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: people off social media and out and active is our
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: whole key tell.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: So that starts in April. It's Run the World Challenge,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: is that right?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Powered by Crunk.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Get involved.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: That's again, join the join the app, and we'll promote
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: it when when we're ready to start pushing that and
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: get people involved in that.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Do you You and I are a bit similar in
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: that you've never been married. And that was that a
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: conscious I know we're taking a left turn here. Was
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: that a planned and tension? Was that a conscious path
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: or did it just work out like that?
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: It's just worked out like that for me, Like I
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I'm not anti marriage.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I think that's where we differ a little bit.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I love marriage. I could watch it all day.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is it for me?
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: I'd love to find my person definitely, or you know,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: someone that I really connect with, but doing you know,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: doing what I'm doing now.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of ours, a lot of time.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: That sort of stuff, And that's probably not so much
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: an excuse, but I've just never really found someone that
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: I'd want to settle down with for the rest of
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: my life.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: But where do people send their applications?
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: That would be ww.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Toby needs a Wife's funny? Yeah, so and so if
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: people are in Brisbee Brizzy, can they come and see
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: you and do a workout with you? I mean fully
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: paid of course, have you got a spot?
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: There's a few, not a huge amount, so it definitely
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: need to be negotiable, but yeah, happy to happy to
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: get people in and give them a workout.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: And if people want to connect with you, find you,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: follow you social media or email or whatever. Don't give
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: out anything to private. But how can people connect with
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: you if they.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Want to Instagram Tobias Quinn, crunk app or crunk dot
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: com if you wanted to get on the app, I
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: think we're crunk connecting the app store, but Tom's queen
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: or yeah, crunk app on Instagram?
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Well for a podcast, Deputy Hunt Slash virgin. You did
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: very well.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Thank you very much, appreciate that. Good hosting. Yeah, oh
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: you know you've done a few. Yeah, I've done it.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I actually don't rate myself, but someone who's done as
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: much as I have, I should be fucking better. But anyway, okay,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: practicing times and we'll see how we go. And I'm
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: up to Queensland soon. So am I allowed to do
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: a casual at that fancy fucking gym you workout? Or
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: am I too much of a bogan? Am I twenty
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: years too old?
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: You may not be able to wear camo shorts in
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: the gym, but other than that, I think.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: You'll be fine.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I've got some spandex bring that out.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: So and leg warmers. Very good topic up here.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and some rebox. Remember Reeboks made only the pumps.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: They were hot from me with a shit forty fifty
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and sixty year old ladies are like, yeah fuck yeah
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: they were.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, the white rebox remember those, the ladies wearing
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: those in the gym, and before.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Those for the Bogans, the Bogans from La tro Valley
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: added as rome blue stripes. Fuck yeah, come on.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: They were. So this is how bad it is for me.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: PT twenty six ers.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Do you remember that, oh, Katie, Yeah, yeah, that Dunlops. Yeah,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: and they had almost like tire tread, big black, chunky.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: They were like the original KT. Twenty six's were almost
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: like the original running shoe that wasn't but they were
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: shaped like they were different. They were revolutionary because everything
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: back in the day just had almost like a round
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: toe like the bloody Dunlop volley or added as rome
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: or and then they came out with these things that
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: looked like a fucking high performance motorbike almost.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they had the tread. I remember a funny story.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: I got my first pair brand new when I was
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: a young lad and I used to sleep with them
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: in my bed because I was so obsessed with these shoes.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: And they got wet once.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: We had an open fire growing up, and I had
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: them by the open fire because I was drenched.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: And in the morning I'm like, Mom, Mom, I do
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: believe in God, and she's like.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay, that's a bit weird whine, and I said,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: I prayed for my shoes to be dry and they are.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, you didn't have high expectations of God.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Sixers, mate, You look after you.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: We'll talk again.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Thank you, take care,