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Who Shot Mr. Burns? Part 1 & 2 (with ICMAP) · Four Finger Discount (Simpsons Podcast)

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  Those wheels are squeaking a bit grips. They could sell him a little oil.
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  You twisted all muster. I've decided to protect myself ever since I was
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  attacked in my office by an unidentified as seilant four Finger Discount dude, Welcome
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  to four Finger Discount. I am Dana not joined by a guy this week.
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  Although as sad as that is, I am very excited because today I
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  am going to be discussing one of my favorite episodes of The Simpsons of all
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  time. It is who shot Mister Burns? Past one and two? And
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  I thought, since guys not here, who better to discuss the most notorious
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  crime in the history of Springfield than those lovely gentlemen from I could Murder a
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  podcast, one of the UK's most popular true crime podcast. Now, firstly,
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  if I sound tired during this episode, it's because when I recorded this
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  it was about five am or six am. I can't quite remember the actual
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  time. All I know is that when I looked at the window, the
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  sun still wasn't up, and someone's barely up by the time we finished.
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  So it was pretty exhausting, but it was a hell of a good time,
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  a lot of fun. Ben and Tom are huge Simpsons fans. Unfortunately,
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  producer Dan didn't join us, since I've heard he didn't really watch the
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  Simpsons as a kid. There's always one. Seriously, though you're kind of
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  really enjoyed this review, we do a deep dive on the episode itself,
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  covering all the clues that were put in there, as well as just the
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  overall hype and build up to finding out just who shot mister Burns and then
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  we found out it was the baby. Don't forget though. If you're a
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  fan of true crime, check out I could Murder a podcast at icmap dot
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  co dot uk or anyway you find your podcast would be Spotify, iTunes,
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  whoever you funny podcasts, you can check them out I could Murder a podcast.
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  Speaking of the Hill, the movie Guys, and so much more. But
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  for now, sit back and enjoy my chat with Ben and Tom from Ark
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  Commeda a podcast as we review who shot mister Burns. He produced. Dan
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  didn't have much of a childhood and doesn't really know much about the Simpsons.
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  Yeah, he didn't watch the Disney A tour as a kid and Simpsons,
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  and yeah, he seemed to be quite outdoors kid, I think. But
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  how are we doing anyway, guys? So you know your podcast seems to
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  be kicking all sorts of goals at the moment. Yeah, no, it's
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  we're doing really well. We're doing really well. We're just in the middle
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  of a series nine at the moment, but we've been kind of all over
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  the world with it in terms of the different cases we've covered. We spent
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  some time in New Zealand. I don't know if that's a good thing or
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  a bad thing. And yeah, no, it's going really well. We
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  can't help as soon as we first started speaking with you. We're so happy
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  to actually finally make this happen because it's being on the agenda for what feels
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  like a couple of years, and we really appreciate you being up at god
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  knows what hour to have this call of us. I mean, six o'clock
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  is much better last week it was gonna end up being five o'clock and then
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  we changed the time to a seven am for me, and then these guys
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  move their clocks back or forwards or something, and then it became six o'clock
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  and I was like, I'm happy with this. It'll work. It'll work.
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  We're doing it now, so I'm more happy. But yeah, so
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  your podcast, what made you guys want to start your podcast? Like,
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  where did your passion for podcasting begin? Well back in the day, big
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  fan of Ricky Gervais and all their podcasts early day stuff, were listening to
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  that all the time. In regards to what started our own one off was
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  basically it was Lockdown. We were we bought VR headsets, thought we'll do
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  a VR headset podcast, which just copying someone else's idea basically, and then
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  we realized we were getting travel sick from playing the games and we work couldn't
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  really handle it. So then I made a pun name, and we thought
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  that's quite a good pun name, and then we kind of forced the podcast
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  that of the name, So the name came first before the podcast really and
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  then yeah, we just kind of did a little hobby with it and then
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  stuck to it, produced it down and came on board and it became a
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  lot more of an official operation. It's happened with us as well, where
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  sometimes we just come up with a podcast now and we go but the name
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  is too good to not do a podcast now, you kind of have to
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  do it. Yes, definitely. I mean with ours, it's weird.
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  We came up with our name, we released our first episode. Then a
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  week later there was a thing called like a Murder a Cocktail and it was
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  a true crime podcast, but it was a week after ours, So I
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  feel like we were just just ahead of that one. Yeah, or you
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  guys are kind of like a Bugs Life to Ants, where Ants thought,
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  oh shit, we're gonna make this great movie, and then they saw Disney
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  doing the same thing and they went, oh no, and Disney at least
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  it a month earlier, and I were like, oh no. I watched
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  Ants the other day. It's I still have a bit of a soft spot
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  for it, but I'm happy to be considered the Bugs Life in that camp.
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  I think I think we're doing quite well. You know, I never
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  saw Ants, and I still to this day i've never seen Ants. I
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  just remember I have this fun memory of going to the movie to watch The
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  Bugs Life of my family and for some reason, whenever used to see the
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  commercials for Ants. I thought that looks boring. It's all brown and dark,
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  and her Bug's life was so colorful. I was. I was commenting
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  on to you guys before we were on the air, like your cameras and
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  your setup just looks so fancy where I'm so jealous. So I'm gonna be
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  stealing your idea and getting your cameras. Love that, love that. No,
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  I like trying to figure out everything that's behind you. I'm really intrigued.
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  This is it? Is it? Yeah? This is just nineties.
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  So do you guys have Tasos? Did you have Tasos and POGs POGs?
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  Yeah, POGs Idepox Tower back in the day, and he's basically he's like
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  a at the Ants version of Captain cave Man, isn't he? And the
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  Bugs Life? Yeah that's true. Yeah, that is very very true.
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  But how important do you think the video side of things has been to your
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  podcast when it comes to marketing and things like that. So we've based on
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  the subject matter of our of our podcast. We've actually found YouTube quite tricky
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  to master. We have a really we're really lucky to have quite a loyal
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  following, but in terms of actually getting content out there and getting pushed in
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  the algorithm, because we literally have murder in our title as well, we
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  tried rebranding to ICMAP. I don't know, Tom, You're more of an
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  expert when it comes to those things, but it's it's difficult to get new
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  eyes on the product, even though we're super happy once the eyes eventually do
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  land. Yeah, we're finding outreach to be pretty problematic sometimes. Yeah,
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  I think with ours, especially if you look at the real trennels that are
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  thriving, it's people that get straight to the point that don't do any of
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  the waffle at the beginning and they and sometimes it's people doing makeup whilst talking
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  about true crime, whereas ours, we do a lot of waffle. Got
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  a lot of tangents, and it seems to be our audience are either you
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  know, we are a very keen audience, but they either I think we're
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  a bit marlmighty in some aspects. I think that's a good thing though,
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  because I found we've been doing this podcast for nine years now and a lot
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  of the time people sort of say at the start, I mean, we
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  aren't going to get to the Firewex factory, you know, too much waffling
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  on, sort of talking about your own lives to get to the Simpsons.
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  But nine years on I found our audience who have stuck with us. Now
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  go. We actually just kind of enjoyed listening to you guys talk now as
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  opposed to just the Simpsons. So I think you just got to establish your
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  brand, establish what you are. You'll get your fans and the fans will
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  love you for it. And I just enjoy this thing to you. Then
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  you can brands off and do other stuff. And that was just enjoy it
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  because you're doing it. Yeah. Absolutely, I accidentally got addicted to Do
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  you remember the TV series Lost? That's another one of those shows where I
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  still don't know how it ends. I hear the ending is terrible, but
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  I see it on Disney Plus and I'm going, I'm gonna have to watch
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  this one day. I never got caught up in the in the hooplwer of
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  it all, but I still I'm gonna watch it one day. Yeah.
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  They yeah, they kind of not to spoil it for you. They drove
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  it off a cliff slightly towards the end. But I was doing some renovations.
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  And I'm not a big podcast like an audio podcast person at all.
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  I really like visual things. But I accidentally got addicted to a podcast entirely
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  based on loss that was literally all in down to the two guys that were
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  present it. Because I had already seen the show. I already knew what
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  was going to happen, but it was was so invested in what they had
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  to say, their opinions, their personalities. And yeah, it was called
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  Getting Lost, and you get lost in the podcast. It's quite literally,
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  so yeah, that side of things is super fun. Well where did your
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  love for the Simpsons begin? We'll start with you. Then. I want
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  to say I was about seven or eight years old, which would take it
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  back to sort of mid nineties. It was it became like a religious thing
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  for me and my dad and my brother Sky one around seven pm UK time,
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  unless we were moving the clocks about. Actually, I think shows stayed
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  the same, didn't they, even if your clock's changed, Which is a
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  bit stupid of me, But it was usually Sandwich somewhere between Xena Warrior Princess
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  and Hercules Legendary Adventures. And sometimes we were lucky enough to get kind of
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  two episodes on the Trot, So it was kind of me, my dad,
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  and my brother's sort of thing. And yeah, it stayed that way
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  for like what ten years, fifteen years, And yeah, having re watched
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  it now as an adult, even the first theme tune, all sorts of
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  emotions came back that I was not expecting to feel, you know, recently.
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  So yeah, still got a real big love for the show. And
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  it's amazing how much of it holds weight still today. Yeah, the same
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  as Ben really. But a little bit before that, I was at school
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  and there's a kid that I wasn't overly fond of, and that he's the
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  kind of kid when you play games, and we used to play pretending to
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  be earth wem Gym and I would be Scuba earthworm Gym, and he was
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  mad scientist earth wem Gym, which means he could just do anything. So
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  really angered me. And one day he was talking to me, and I
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  didn't really listen, or I must have misheard him just the beginning of what
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  he was saying, but I didn't hear the fact he said he watched it
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  on TV. I thought he was talking about his neighbor called the Simpsons,
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  and then he was telling me all these things that I thought he was saying
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  his neighbors had done, and I was just getting really angry because I was
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  like, that's just such a lie. None of this happened. And then
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  eventually I watched the show and I was like, oh, now it will
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  make sense. And then yeah, it's same with Ben, like watching it
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  on Sky Domino's Pizza had given you a fresh slice of family life in thirty
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  minutes. I just remember all the adverts for it as well. And now
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  even when I like watch back and binge it like all, I find myself
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  memorizing lines and know what the lines are, even though I've probably only seen
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  them like a handful of times when I was a lot younger, and repeats,
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  but they really do stick with you, the lines. And I've got
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  a creepy little collection as well in the back or Simpson figures if you can
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  see them clearly. But I've got a little wall collection of going on with
• 10:31
  Simpson's characters. I've got you guys minimized or small so I can't quite make
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  it out, but they're those words of Springfield figures. They're really good ones
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  in like two thousand and Yeah, Yeah, I've got Water of Springfield,
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  and I've got some Treehouse of Horror ones which are special edition ones, and
• 10:45
  then I've got Tom Petty one because I like Tom Petty and he was an
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  anniversary thing. Perfect. Yeah. I remember when of those Words of Springfields
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  came out. Mom was like, I'm not paying twenty five dollars, be
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  tore, you just not getting them. And I look back now and I
• 10:56
  think, man, I wish I had collected those, because they were like
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  fifty dollars each of them in there packets still now, if not more.
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  But they're just so great. I just there's never been Simpsons action figures like
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  them since, and I'm just wish i'd re released them. They're all that
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  re rereleasing stuff now, so I feel like twentieth aniversary, we should do
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  it. Yeah, definitely. I mean, yeah, I mind New habit
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  is getting drunk and then go on a eBay forgetting what I've ordered from it
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  and then just getting a package and then my wife being like, well,
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  why he's just putting them in the box and I'm not going to have them
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  all out. Originally, I was just collecting the weird ones like Larry Burns
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  and Homer's brother herd and I was like, because they're just cool and a
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  bit like and then suddenly I was buying one. So I don't really like
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  that one, but I need it, so I was just going to buy
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  it. Yeah, I'm yeah, yeah, it's very addictive. I've got
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  two stories. So there's one guy in Australia here selling the complete collection that
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  the playsets and all the locations in a giant tub, none of them opened
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  for fifteen hundred US. I saw at Australian dollars, which is about seven
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  hundred and fifty pound, So it's not that much money really when you think
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  it's the entire collection. And my wife was just like, you don't need
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  it, and I was like, eh, you're right, I don't need
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  it. And then now we look back and think if only. But the
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  big one for me is, I've said it on the podcast before. You
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  know the movie display, the big life size Simpsons that you've seen on the
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  couch lot that the cinema display for the movie Simpsons movie you've ever seen those?
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  Yeah, yeah, I've got the bar here. So the barn was
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  about five foot tall. The Homer would have been like eight foot tall.
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  Anyway, this guy in Adelaide, Australia, about a seven hour drive from
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  where I live. He was going to sell it to me for eight hundred
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  Australian dollars, was about four hundred pound and Nicola and my wife was going
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  no where to put it, It's going to be too big. And I'm
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  like, oh yeah, whatever, won't do it. And one sold in
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  Australia for twenty five thousand dollars recently and I never let her forget it.
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  Wow. Wow, So if you see this stuff by it, guys definitely
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  worth it. I was about to brag about Tom. Do you remember the
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  life size cut out of Moses Lack that my brother got me? Yeah?
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  Yeah, that was the first background we probably stopped what we moved away from
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  home, and we probably stopped watching him for three or four years. And
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  then all of a sudden, my twenty first birthday, my brother arrives with
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  the biggest flat package I've ever seen, which, again out of contact,
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  sounds awful, and it was a life sized cutout of Mo's my favorite character,
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  and then very quickly made its way to Tom's house. And now I
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  just have the only piece of Simpson's memorabilia I've got is a little mo put
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  your mug on my mug, which I'm very fond of. Short and simple.
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  It's good though, Yeah, so you need sometimes I've actually, speaking
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  of this episode, I've got the original Simpson's Mystery Sweepstakes competition from seven to
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  eleven in the States, the four cups. I couldn't find them something.
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  I think that I cleaned up the studio recently. I think I packed him
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  in the box. But yeah, I've got the four original cups from seven
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  to eleven back in like nineteen only five or ninety six, whenever this episode
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  was. But yeah, wow, what are your memories of the of this
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  episode, because I remember the hype of this one being huge in the school
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  yard when I was a kid, because I'm well, I'm thirty five.
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  I don't know how you guys are. But when this episode came out,
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  I was right in the peak sort of like age for this show and we're
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  all about it, and there was just there was so much hype for this
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  episode. Was it was a much hype in the UK for it. I
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  can't really remember people chatting about it that much. I mean I remember watching
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  it when it came out and being like gripped by it. Simpsons is odd.
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  I think there has a cool, massive audience over here, but I
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  don't remember much conversations between friends and being like, I think it's just it
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  was a given to everyone watched The Simpsons, and everyone loved the Simpsons,
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  but it wasn't the thing that you end up speaking about overly. But I
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  been watching it back this time around, I was like, it's so good.
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  There's so many good jokes do it as well, which I've forgotten about.
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  You kind of forget about the little jokes and throw away jokes, but
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  it's just so good. They're right in. At this stage of the Simpsons,
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  I think is like top tier. Do you find even though it's available
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  on Disney Plus now, that you even go back and watch the show anymore?
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  Because when I grew up, we watched it three or four times a
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  day. And even though I do a podcast on The Simpsons now, maybe
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  because it feels kind of like work, but I very rarely just put on
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  The Simpsons just to have it on the background anymore. And that used to
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  be my life. The Simpsons were just always on. I'm kind of introducing
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  I've got two some more kids, three and five now, so I'm kind
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  of introducing them to the Simpsons. But I find it really watch the show
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  as much as I should anymore. How about you, guys. So I
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  watched it for the first time in a row, so we're just a few
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  months younger than you, and I watched the show for the first time in
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  maybe twenty years last week in prep for tonight. Years. Yeah, which
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  is scary, but as Tom said, it totally held It totally holds up
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  some of the Mister Burns. I'm sure we'll go into it. Mister Burns
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  makes a comment I couldn't believe it came out of his mouth, which I
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  would have heard twenty years ago, but I didn't know what he was I
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  should have probably known what he was talking about, but I didn't. And
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  I think for us, it's similar to as you mentioned, if I used
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  to just binge true crime series on Netflix YouTube, but now it kind of
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  feels like work, and so if I want something on the background, it's
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  a break from that. I'll put something a bit lighter on. Whereas watching
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  Who Shot Mister Burns one and two, I left it on and had seven
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  or eight episodes afterwards where it was just like, Okay, it's so easy
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  to just it brings back a lot of memories, but also you're watching it
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  from a completely different perspective now, which is fantastic. I've had a big
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  binge on nostalgic stuff, and like Simpsons, I did like when I got
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  the Disney Plus start watching all of that. I find what Simpsons is one
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  of my go to still like. I think Disney Plus was a game changer
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  in terms of having it available, But like Ben true crime stuff, I
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  find it like it does feel worky Ben saying that you said you put quite
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  a few horrifying things on to get to sleep in bed, which I couldn't.
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  That's true. But I also did hold a boy Mets World and Home
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  Improvement. I had a big kind of nostalgia hype recently. Boy Mets World
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  is probably nearly counselorable now after the Nickelodeon documentary though, But apart from that,
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  Yeah, I find this one great. Yeah, I'm glad you want
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  of Home Improvement. It's one of those shows I feel like it never gets
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  enough love. I was a kid loved Home Improvement, but none of my
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  friends liked it, and I was like, I love this show. And
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  when it came on Disney Plus, I I was so happy. Yeah,
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  I love Home Improvement, and I think same with Boy Meants World. I
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  think Boymans World Go is a bit underappreciated, and I do think even though
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  some of the storyline are just like insane, there's still a good core message
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  on most of the episodes. Mister Phoenie still has some good things to say.
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  And your Home Improvement, I thought, I think it's great. I
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  think that's really it's actually really funny, and there's loads of adult jokes in
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  that, which I didn't get until watching it a few more this time around,
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  I feel like I keep the Simpsons in my life more so now through
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  memes and like our social media, the Simpsons just lives on through gifts and
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  just memes, meme pages as opposed actually going and watching it. Now it's
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  just like that's the new life the Simpsons has. Now it's in our lives
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  every day, but we use it in mean form. There's so much of
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  it on our feed mainly well, I think it's because we're connected with each
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  other, but we see so many of yours absolutely blow up on Facebook and
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  X. But then also now because we're engaging with them, there's so many
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  other I think our Facebook is instead of true crime, it's it's mainly the
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  feed is Simpsons memes, which is great, but there's yeah, there's there's
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  so many of We got so many people there they say I liked one of
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  your photos. Now all I see is Simpsons memes. Couldn't be the case.
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  It's crazy how the algorithm works, though, because you could put a
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  post out and it might only reach three four hundred thousand people, and I
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  put out a photo that's not that different and it's like, oh hey,
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  ten million. Okay. Then just today Facebook just decided to boost this post.
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  Okay, Facebook is murder. Facebook is. It's so hard to predict
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  what's going on and where. And I think, yeah, Ben's right in
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  terms of us having the word murder in most of our things, that doesn't
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  help. Yeah, it certainly wouldn't. I wouldn't assume so no, but
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  I'll give you that though. I told my wife, Nicola, who's English,
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  she's from Boston, Lincolnshire, she said that I told her the name
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  of your podcast, and she just packed up laughing. She's like, great
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  title. Love that love that. She's like, I can murder a podcast,
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  me, I can murder a podcast me. She says, Yeah.
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  A super proud moment was when if you put I could murder in the UK.
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  First thing was pint, second thing was curry, and we eventually made
• 18:48
  it to the third thing, which we're super happy about. So we got
• 18:52
  among the beers and the curry, which is yeah, it's a good Yeah,
• 18:56
  it's three staples of life, right podcast, beer curry. But do
• 19:02
  you guys know about all the height that was going into this episode? In
• 19:04
  the States, they called it the one eight hundred Collect Mystery sweep Steaks since
• 19:08
  the Mystery sweep Stakes contest which I mentioned earlier. The cups for that I
• 19:11
  own, but basically it was one hundred Collect we're trying to steal some customers
• 19:15
  from I think it was like at and T anyway, like, so basically
• 19:18
  one eight hundred Collect Call had a competition that if you use their service,
• 19:22
  you would go into a competition and try and guess who the murderer was.
• 19:26
  And if you guessed the right person and they were the first and you were
• 19:27
  the first one to be discovered that guess the right person, you would be
• 19:30
  drawn into The Simpsons. And apparently it was just a complete shammuzzle because for
• 19:36
  some reason we look back now and you think that's an awesome prize. But
• 19:38
  people weren't all that interested in being drawn into the Simpsons in like nineteen ninety
• 19:41
  five. But they went through a thousand entries and they found that nobody guessed
• 19:47
  Maggie. And I think it was David Murkin that one of the producers at
• 19:49
  the time said, look, we've got to keep going until we can find
• 19:52
  that's to guess the correct person. And but no, the rule was for
• 19:56
  a competition in those days that you must find a winner in the first thousand
• 20:00
  entries, and because nobody guessed Maggie, that had to just randomly pick somebody
• 20:04
  and it was some woman who doesn't even watch the Simpsons. So she took
• 20:07
  a non disclosed cash amount as opposed to being drawn into the Simpsons. Wow
• 20:11
  wow, Because when Tom was mentioning that it wasn't really big news over here
• 20:15
  on the school grounds, and I remember him rightly that they made numerous trailers
• 20:19
  about these episodes, particularly the second one, because I'm sure I remember seeing
• 20:22
  the trailers, like teaser trailers around who did it? I remember seeing those
• 20:26
  in the UK, but I could be wrong. There was a lot of
• 20:30
  promo going into it, but I think just because it was the season premiere
• 20:32
  as well, they had a lot of time to sort of boost it and
• 20:33
  promote it as well. Maybe, but I remember being a huge deal here
• 20:37
  in Australia. I do remember. It wasn't spoiled for me, thankfully.
• 20:41
  But I've done research and I've been told by people who are a bit older
• 20:44
  than me that one of the more famous radio DJs at the time spoiled it
• 20:48
  because we were behind in getting things from the States, spoiled on the radio
• 20:52
  and lost his job because it was that big of a deal. Wow,
• 20:56
  that's terrible. So I remember the last time that happened in Australia, a
• 20:59
  radio dj, his job was spoiling. Something was spoiling the ending to well
• 21:03
  spoiling. I won't even say it on the podcast, but the big death
• 21:04
  in Harry Potter, No, the big one, the really important one,
• 21:08
  because they got the book that morning and just told him what happened at the
• 21:11
  end on the radio that day. And yeah, they would ever hurt again,
• 21:14
  but they could be dead. You could be doing a podcast on them
• 21:18
  eventually. Wow, that's crazy. Well, I mean even on the rewatch
• 21:22
  here, I had such a keen eye out for what's Maggie up to?
• 21:26
  What's she doing? And from the from the first episode, it's really she's
• 21:30
  she's acting pretty Maggie. There are clues, though, did you notice the
• 21:33
  clues? I kept my eye. I think I got one of them.
• 21:37
  Possibly, But yeah, what was that? What do you say? It
• 21:41
  was bart Well Bart on the second. It was Bart's chalkboard on the second.
• 21:45
  And then there was also a photo in the background of Maggie in a
• 21:52
  scene where Homer was losing his mind. I believe could be wrong. There
• 21:56
  was a photo that looked like it was bolded up slightly. Well, the
• 22:00
  big one that they put in there that no one was paying attention to.
• 22:02
  It was just a clock, but all the clocks were set to three pm
• 22:06
  at the time at the end of the episode, and the clue was that
• 22:11
  at three pm. Smither says, I never miss Pardon My Zinger, which
• 22:14
  airs at three pm, and he left the town meeting early to go watch
• 22:17
  Pardon My Zinger, so he wasn't there when birds got shot. But of
• 22:19
  course when I was a kid, it was either going to be Smithers or
• 22:22
  it was Homer. That was just because you don't think logically when your kid,
• 22:25
  it's like, it's going to be the obvious one. And I remember
• 22:27
  when my sister I were first watching this, will sit there with a little
• 22:30
  notepad and we had our predictions. My sister guests home and I guess Smithers
• 22:33
  and I was Adam, it was going to Bess Smithers. And I do
• 22:36
  remember when I found out it was Maggie. I was really deflated as a
• 22:40
  kid. Were you guys disappointed with the result when you I'll look back now
• 22:42
  and just laugh because it's just ridiculous, But at the time, I remember
• 22:45
  thinking that was so silly. I guess, yeah, I know what you
• 22:48
  mean. I think the bit that watching it back now with fresh eyes and
• 22:52
  knowing like my lingers like, oh, when earlier in the episode, the
• 22:56
  first episode, mister Burns was still condy from a baby, that bit really
• 23:00
  was like, oh, that's a precursor in terms of what's going on as
• 23:03
  well. But then yeah, I think, I guess the only reason that
• 23:06
  it makes sense for Maggie is they can get away of not punishing her and
• 23:08
  not having her like because if they have any of their other characters doing it,
• 23:11
  it's going to have to have a bit more of a bit more of
• 23:14
  a result that or it could be a freaway character. You don't want one
• 23:15
  of your favorite characters going to prison for murder. You don't want that.
• 23:21
  I was super worried for Moe at one point. Yeah, or Willy didn't
• 23:23
  want Willie in trouble. Yeah, yeah, no. But the show runners
• 23:27
  that they weren't running the show in season six, but they took over in
• 23:30
  seven and eight. Bill Locally and Josh Weinstein. They wanted Barnie, and
• 23:34
  originally they were like pushing for Banne. It's got to be Barnie. He's
• 23:37
  got to be Barnie and James L. Brooks and make Granny one. Now,
• 23:41
  it's gonna be one of the Simpsons. It'll be funnier that way,
• 23:42
  Like how are we gonna work around this? And they come up with the
• 23:45
  idea of Maggie and even they agree they're back now and go it was the
• 23:48
  right option because then we wouldn't have had Barnie. Okay, you know,
• 23:52
  so it was it was the logical choice because you needed a character who you
• 23:56
  can just go, nah, we're not going to arrest her. She's just
• 23:57
  a baby, and that's it. You can just move on. But I
• 24:00
  do like the whole idea of just the cliffhanger, because I've never done it
• 24:04
  since. I think that's just what built it up so much, the fact
• 24:07
  that it was just big, huge cliffhanger and it was a take off of
• 24:10
  I'm sure you guys heard of the Dallas who shot Jr? Story from the
• 24:12
  eighties in America. Yeah, yeah, so it was a take off of
• 24:15
  that, and clearly it worked. Yeah, so it was I think that
• 24:18
  did a really good job. Have you ever seen the actual episode, not
• 24:22
  the episode, but just the scene of who shot Jr? And the big
• 24:25
  reveal and all that kind of stuff. I watched it last night for the
• 24:27
  first time. It's no, I haven't. It is so nineteen eighty and
• 24:30
  corny, but apparently it's like one of the most watched TV shows of all
• 24:33
  time. The other thing I say about the Barney thing you just mentioned,
• 24:37
  I listened to the podcast you did with Brendan and like, you kind of
• 24:40
  put Simpsons in a new light for me about talking about Homer being a terrible
• 24:44
  dad and being an alcoholic and stuff, and like, do you think Barney
• 24:48
  is kind of promoting that kind of life as well? And in terms of
• 24:51
  like so it kind of like makes me look at I've looking at Simpson's characters
• 24:55
  a bit more of a serious adult level now because of you guys talking about
• 24:59
  it. We'll see. The thing is, when I was, you know,
• 25:02
  the Golden Year episodes, Homer was held accountable for his actions, right.
• 25:06
  I think that my grant with the later seasons is that Homer's just a
• 25:08
  dick to everybody, and very rarely is he held a cannibal. It's just,
• 25:11
  oh, silly Homer, that's just Homer's ways, and mar just forgives
• 25:15
  him because the story needs her to. And I think that's the stuff that
• 25:19
  annoys me. In the later episodes just feels like lazy writing, or at
• 25:22
  least back in the older episodes, it feels like when he did something wrong,
• 25:26
  it was never that heinous, and he always by the end of it
• 25:29
  sort of went, oh, you know what I screwed up? You know
• 25:32
  my bad were in the later what to season eighteen, now it's just as
• 25:37
  they call it, jerk ass home and just Homer just being a dick for
• 25:38
  it, almost like he became Peter Griffin to an extent. I think the
• 25:41
  family guy sort of popularity took over the Simpsons a little bit. Yeah,
• 25:45
  okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I don't. I don't mean I
• 25:48
  found it very hard to watch recent Simpsons. I can only binge to a
• 25:51
  certain point, and then I kind of find myself stopping and going back to
• 25:53
  the beginning rather than carrying on. Well, also, drop off for you,
• 25:56
  many say season ten was when a lot of people dropped off. I
• 26:00
  remember dropping off about season fifteen. I remember one episode I can't remember.
• 26:04
  You can't tell you what series it was. I think as the last good
• 26:07
  one I remember was when Seymour's in Okay a bag for balls and he says
• 26:12
  about the Hampstead chewing for his ball sack, and I think that's the last
• 26:15
  one I remember being quite good. What about you, Ben, what was
• 26:18
  your job off? Can you remember it wasn't that we just decided to stop
• 26:22
  watching the show. We just sort of happened organically. Yeah. Yeah,
• 26:26
  so I'm guessing I couldn't give you the series, but I can give you
• 26:29
  the year. Would have been kind of around fifteen sixteen years old, So
• 26:33
  what the early two thousands, I guess. But then, yeah, going
• 26:40
  back to I've not actually seen I've seen a lot of criticism of recent series
• 26:45
  online. I haven't watched it, but I can. I've I can understand
• 26:51
  what they've done with Homer. Whereas the episodes I watched as a kid,
• 26:55
  I learned a lot from home as mistakes, from Bart's mistakes, from the
• 26:57
  things they did wrong, and that was a good way to learn about life.
• 27:00
  I mean, even some of the more when you asked us to sort
• 27:04
  of talk about our marathon, I've gone for ones that actually emotionally kind of
• 27:08
  resonated with me at the time as well, because although old Homer was an
• 27:12
  idiot, he kind of ultimately ended up doing the right thing at the end
• 27:17
  of the day, although he did three or four bad things, really wrong
• 27:21
  things in the build up to that. Ultimately you learn your lesson. But
• 27:25
  yeah, I can't remember the specific cut off point unfortunately, but I'm definitely
• 27:30
  after jumping back in ready to binge again. So we'll see how far I
• 27:33
  go. It's interesting that you brought up how the Simpsons sort of influenced how
• 27:37
  we sort of went about our lives. I feel like now with kids,
• 27:38
  I've got two, like I said, three in a five year old,
• 27:41
  it's bluey for them, and they're only seven minute episodes. But I think
• 27:45
  Australians or it helps they can relate to it in that aspect because they were
• 27:48
  Australian kids. But I watch it now and I go, this is how
• 27:52
  I felt when I watched The Simpsons, and they sort of quotes from the
• 27:56
  show they bring into their real life and it's actually teaching them nice messages.
• 28:00
  And I think this is always It's almost like a modern day Simpsons to an
• 28:03
  extent. Bluey the kids are obsessed with it. They all talk about it,
• 28:06
  they all love their old quoting. I'm like, Bluey has become the
• 28:07
  new Simpsons. It's crazy. But can you watch Bluey and enjoy it?
• 28:11
  Bluey is fantastic, mate, if you it's honestly, I think as a
• 28:15
  parent you appreciate it more. But I watch that show and go, holy
• 28:21
  shit, this is literally my life and this is just And I think that
• 28:23
  was the appeal of the Simpsons was they appeal to just the normal families.
• 28:27
  You watch it and go, this is just us in animated form. And
• 28:30
  that's what Bluey is like. Granted I'm Australian, so a lot of it,
• 28:33
  a lot of it. I watch it, I go, that's that's
• 28:36
  us. That's Aussi's I think that's where it relates to its aspect. But
• 28:38
  there's a lot of it where you know, there's an episode of Blue.
• 28:41
  I won't get too much on Blue, but there is one where it's about
• 28:45
  a kid who is a bit further behind in a blooey. She doesn't walk,
• 28:48
  she shuffles her bum on the floor and it's like, haha, funny.
• 28:51
  But then they show the side of the parent who when she goes to
• 28:52
  mother's group and all her kids are the other kids are walking around in hers
• 28:56
  isn't she feels like she's failing as a mother. So they bring in that
• 28:59
  side of it. Whether adults can watch the show and relate to it as
• 29:02
  well, so it's actually like the people are bluey. It's just to show
• 29:04
  the kids watch but there's actually a great show if you give it a chance.
• 29:07
  Yeah. I ended up about six months ago, so I'm Another character
• 29:14
  that I'm really fond of is Santa's Little Helper. I've got three greyhounds over
• 29:17
  here, and six months ago we got a puppy and red online that Blue
• 29:22
  is a great show to put on for dogs because apparently the colors are the
• 29:26
  color palette is I could be again wrong here, but is a color that
• 29:30
  dogs can actually slightly distinguish, so we put it on and all three of
• 29:33
  them staring at the TV could be the audio as well. But apparently there's
• 29:37
  something to do with the color choices that they have and I'm colorblind, so
• 29:41
  awful kind of a metric for you, But yeah, they were hooked.
• 29:45
  They were all watching the TV and I thought it wasn't a half bad show.
• 29:49
  That's just the same. And the Simpsons they chose yellows that when you're
• 29:52
  flicking through all the stations, you'd stop on yelly because yellows stood out it
• 29:56
  wasn't normal. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, anyway, what were your
• 29:59
  favorite moment from who shot mister Burns before we skimmed through the ad the episode?
• 30:02
  Any stand up moments for you? The Burns comment, It's really stuck
• 30:07
  with me because I was actually shocked that he said it when he makes a
• 30:11
  comment about his his slanted let me, I actually made a note of exactly
• 30:17
  how he said it. So first he has Burn's construction code building a better
• 30:19
  tomorrow for him in block capitals, and then he's still annoying Smithers. Smithers
• 30:27
  when he compares his slant drilling company to a man about to do something when
• 30:33
  he says, this is almost sexual, isn't it? And Smither's just looks
• 30:36
  so uncomfortable, which was really shocked that they came out of Burns's mouth.
• 30:40
  But there's so many jokes at Smither's expensive you wouldn't get away with it now
• 30:44
  on television, but you know, in nineteen ninety five hours hilarious, it
• 30:48
  was so good, so good, and the amount of times that Burns was
• 30:52
  either unwilling or unable to address Homer by his full name or knew who he
• 30:56
  was. And the chocolate sequences amazing, the chocolate gift and so so good.
• 31:03
  I remember that being using the promos a lot when Homer does when he
• 31:06
  he swears, you don't hear it, but when he swears that was the
• 31:07
  big selling point in the trailers for the episode. Yeah, the church bells.
• 31:12
  Yeah, yeah, what about you? Tom? What's what's that for
• 31:17
  you? What were your favorite moments? So any moments where you're watching it
• 31:18
  going oh shit, I completely forgot about that. That's great. Yeah,
• 31:22
  even the school like kind of hitting oil. I always enjoy when a skinner's
• 31:25
  getting getting near full as well, and then even when he's hearing everyone's lousy
• 31:29
  requests for what they want for the for the money, and then when Smithers
• 31:33
  does the Tannoy voice and he guess, we haven't got a tannoy and then
• 31:37
  and then it Burns comes in and yeah, Burns stressed up in that way.
• 31:41
  Yeah, it's it's I don't know, I just had so many easing,
• 31:42
  isn't it in comparison to what I remembered? And I think probably like
• 31:47
  yeah, comparing it to future day ones, is they don't explain the joke.
• 31:51
  The joke's good enough as it is, and it's just there and it's
• 31:52
  done, which which I appreciate. It lets you do a bit of figuring
• 31:56
  out as well, sometimes raft than spelling everything out for you. But name
• 32:00
  yes, Homer, that bands of the chocolate scene I really enjoyed, and
• 32:04
  just the graduate to get more and more angry. But yes, it's it's
• 32:08
  mainly oh yeah, I think the Smithers Smithers bits in the episode that we
• 32:13
  were really funny. I'm glad you brought up when Skinner was getting yelled at
• 32:15
  there by Charmers, because Charmers is one of those characters as a kid,
• 32:17
  I just thought it was just this mean guy. But I find the older
• 32:21
  you get, the people like that has become more relatable because it's almost like
• 32:23
  Charmers represents the as if a real person went into this world of Springfield and
• 32:28
  went, what the hell is going on here? He represents a normal person.
• 32:31
  And I just find there's a lot of episodes of Charmers. And there's
• 32:35
  an episode called I don't know what it's called where missus Kate and Skinner first
• 32:37
  hook up. As a kid, I was like, this is a boring
• 32:40
  episode. But when you you know you've aged and you've been through through relationships
• 32:45
  and whatnot, episodes like that just resonate with you more. It's fine.
• 32:47
  It's amazing how the Simpsons can appeal to you on a whole new level.
• 32:50
  Because you said you haven't watched the show in twenty years, Ben, but
• 32:52
  I feel like if you go back and watch those Golden Ear episodes, now
• 32:54
  you relate to it on a whole different level. For sure. For sure,
• 32:58
  there was an episode where Bart gets yanked out of a photo and he
• 33:02
  does something to what he steals, I believe, and really upsets his Mind's
• 33:06
  been not pre as one of my favorite episodes. Yeah, yeah, it's
• 33:08
  in yes, yeah, yeah, And I remember again at the time,
• 33:12
  even being a kid and watching it. I'm sure I react differently now,
• 33:15
  but I remember that emotionally that really resonated with me when I watched it,
• 33:20
  and I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure watching back and all the different thing
• 33:22
  again to go back to home, are doing the wrong things the fishing,
• 33:25
  the fishing episode, Yeah, I definitely I am ready now to do a
• 33:31
  rebinch missus k when you're older. I think missus Kay has always been the
• 33:35
  Fox of the Simpsons in my opinion, Like as a kid, like she's
• 33:37
  just this old teacher, but then when you know you're thirty five, you're
• 33:39
  like, she's hot. Shit. I think the word to describe is she
• 33:45
  just seems fun. She's up for whatever. Yeah, she's up listening.
• 33:52
  All right, let's skim through the episode. Show. So the original air
• 33:54
  of part one was May twenty first, nineteen ninety five, written by Bill
• 34:00
  Oklin Josh Wainstein. As we're part one and two, little, let's touch
• 34:01
  on it actually, so getting to write this episode, what a gig that
• 34:06
  would have been. I wanted they appreciated it at the time, I'm sure
• 34:08
  they did, because I was huge Simpsons fans before they've enjoined the show.
• 34:12
  But being able to say that, you know, you and your best mate
• 34:14
  wrote who shot mister Burns? That must have been so much fun to have
• 34:16
  that kind of power at the time. Would you would you have said they
• 34:20
  had complete freedom in terms of the or were they given the suspect beforehand?
• 34:23
  Do you know they wanted Barney so that they wanted the other guys that wanted
• 34:27
  Barney And they were told by James Brooks, who you know, genius that
• 34:30
  it has to be a member of the Simpsons, and they were like,
• 34:32
  oh fuck, all right, how are we going to do that? And
• 34:34
  they weren't at Maggie, but I think they I said, they've reflected now
• 34:37
  and gone that's the right option. But I just think having that, having
• 34:40
  the ability and having their I think I'd be almost scared to write this one
• 34:44
  because it's like to be screwed up. It's that's it, You're don't no.
• 34:47
  What I liked about is it's just the layer in of it. And
• 34:51
  like I know, obviously they do it on purpose in terms of getting everyone
• 34:54
  to be a suspect, but they haven't it's all legitimate reasons why people are
• 34:58
  so pissed off. And then you he builds and bills, and you go,
• 35:00
  oh that makes sense. No, it makes sense if that happen,
• 35:02
  if he did it, And there's so well written in that aspect. But
• 35:05
  also with each situation, it's very humorous in terms of how they build out.
• 35:09
  But yeah, it must be. I would be very intimidated having to
• 35:14
  ride at the first two parts, especially for a series end around a series
• 35:16
  opener. That would be terrifying to me. But the episode kicks off with
• 35:22
  Skinner arriving at the school early morning, kind of like it is here,
• 35:24
  I'm looking outside the sun starting maybe to come up. Yeah, but I
• 35:29
  always loved the early morning vibe of The Simpsons, when it's just early morning,
• 35:31
  the sort of the music's playing, it's that the suns rise. He
• 35:35
  always looks cool, but he finds unfortunately Super Dude, who's been crushed by
• 35:37
  his own water bottle, so gets willing to bury him well. Sometime over
• 35:42
  the holiday weekend, the beloved Grade four Gerbil super Dude lost his life.
• 35:46
  I need you to air out the classroom and give super Dude a proper burial.
• 35:51
  Go. Yeah, like you had to getting a decent burial. Me
• 35:57
  on farther get through in the Bug. What's the thoughts on grand skip of
• 36:00
  Willie. I know you guys are Scottish, but in the UK do you
• 36:04
  guys like Willy in the context of The Simpsons. Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely,
• 36:15
  yeah, love with it. He was he was because there's not too
• 36:19
  many. I know there were some guest stars, but there's not There's not
• 36:21
  an outright continual British character. So Willy was Willy was? Yeah, very
• 36:28
  fondly regarded over here, Am I right? Tom? Yeah? I think
• 36:30
  so. No, no one was offended by the voice, Scottish voice or
• 36:35
  anything like that, and even the stereotypes I think. I think if it
• 36:37
  was an I think I'd be more taken offensive. If it was even Irish
• 36:40
  character in all the Irish gags, I think Scottish is fair game. Weirdly,
• 36:45
  that's why we feel so lucky here in Australia that we got a Golden
• 36:49
  era episode of The Simpsons in our country. We yet to go us at
• 36:52
  the way to like season fifteen or something to get in the UK, and
• 36:54
  I watched that one and go this episode just doesn't hit right. But we
• 36:58
  got you know, we got peaks, so we're always very cherished that and
• 37:01
  we'll never offended by the stereotypes. It's ridiculous. There's nothing like I mean,
• 37:05
  there are Australian isms in there, but they're just completely blown out of
• 37:07
  proportion. But we love that for that's that's the whole gag of the show.
• 37:10
  And that's why when I see people get angry about the stereotypes of the
• 37:14
  Simpsons, I just think that's comedy. Though. Yeah, I think the
• 37:16
  thing with it as well is just the fact that, yeah, if it
• 37:20
  was just a two D simple gag and then the character has nothing else to
• 37:22
  say, and then you know they're just a character that made the joke.
• 37:25
  But there's people. It's this characters do have like long storylines and all really
• 37:30
  deep storylines, you know, lessons with them as well. I think that's
• 37:32
  why I think it's a lot more acceptable because it's not just a two D
• 37:36
  cheap laugh. So he ends up striking oil, destroys the school and destroys
• 37:39
  Ralph in the process as well. Then we get mister Burns and he wants
• 37:43
  to send the parcel with the profit projections to Pete Porter in Pasadena overnight we
• 37:46
  get the montage of the male system at the bowl plant. Homer thinks he's
• 37:50
  doing the right thing by returning it to mister Burns, but it's a return
• 37:52
  addressed, of course. And this is where they established the story from mister
• 37:53
  Burns that he doesn't know his name, which I guess when you think of
• 37:58
  continuity, seems a bit ridiculous because we've had so many episodes with Burns and
• 38:01
  Homer up to this point already, but I'm willing to go with it.
• 38:05
  So, you know, Homer tries to tell him his name and he drops
• 38:07
  the So one killer is a thousand grams, isn't it? The thing that
• 38:09
  he drops in his head, which I've got here would shortly still hurt.
• 38:13
  Yeah, and it's pointed as well. I mean, I know it hits
• 38:15
  him with the flag, but there was one in free chance that was going
• 38:17
  to cause some real damage. But Skinner here he sees the destruction. This
• 38:21
  is where Charmers arrives. He's very, very angry, angry, but they
• 38:23
  now the rich to school in the state, so of course he's happy about
• 38:27
  that. They find Superdoo just throws him. Then Burns is now in his
• 38:30
  executive spa and we see the newspaper article which I love the headline awful school
• 38:34
  is awful rich and which is actually a nice sea plant for later in the
• 38:37
  episode when we have Skinner covering the word awful. But he Burns is jealous
• 38:43
  this. You know, how dare they have money? I want their money.
• 38:45
  So it gets Smith's to go another twenty miles on the on the bike
• 38:47
  whilst he plays pinball. You guys, fans of pinball, iast have a
• 38:52
  virtual pinball I had to sell it to pay for my son's surgery. But
• 38:54
  basically, a virtual pin wore machine is every pinball machine ever created, but
• 38:58
  it's done digitally and it's like on a TV. And he build it to
• 39:00
  look like a pinball machine. A lot of fun. I mean, it's
• 39:04
  not a real thing, but you just immerse yourself and yeah, it's pretty
• 39:07
  cool. The cheap, a cheap version of having every pinbor machine in the
• 39:09
  world. No, that's really cool. The only time we can. You
• 39:13
  can still find it over here in some arcades, but and maybe pubs,
• 39:16
  but I can't remember the last time I saw one. No, I haven't
• 39:21
  played pinball in a long time. I think i'd always gravitate towards House of
• 39:24
  Dead too with my coat. Yeah, but yeah, Pinball, Yeah no,
• 39:30
  I never really had to go on it to be fair, And I
• 39:31
  love that Burns. He's got it right next to his gym. It's funny
• 39:35
  you brought up a House of Dead there. That was the machine when I
• 39:37
  went to the arcade as a kid, and you had the curtain, and
• 39:39
  there's always the mystique of what's behind there. I don't forget the ones why
• 39:43
  I can't finally peep behind the curtain and it's just these zombies and shit,
• 39:45
  and I just never again. But it was always like you see, the
• 39:51
  grown up kids would go into this machine and the sanded terrifyings like I have
• 39:54
  to see what was behind the curtain. It was that dressic Park. I
• 39:57
  think dressed Park. I think I stuck with time crisis. Yeah, yeah,
• 40:00
  that's fair. But this is where Burns he gets into the elevator,
• 40:05
  blue liney Colonel Giermo, Hello, Oh, don't take it so hard,
• 40:14
  Homer. He's always scrowing up people's names. Yeah, the picnic. He
• 40:16
  thought my son Rinaldo was my son Rolando. Can you believe that? Then
• 40:21
  Skinner shows the newspaper to charmers, and we get the great payoff here of
• 40:24
  the unrelated article in the better headline. But Chalmer suggests that they should maybe
• 40:29
  should give everyone age a college scholarship. They all laugh about because of course
• 40:32
  that's not going to happen. They want the crystal bucket from a slot,
• 40:36
  water e and a pland new filthy blanket. The cafeteria staff is complaining about
• 40:44
  the mice in the kitchen. I want to hire a new staff. I'd
• 40:49
  like to start a jazz program for the music department. We've got a really
• 40:52
  great instruction line up, Judo, he's ready to give up the drudgery of
• 40:59
  the Profrnando second and settle into a nice teaching job. Man, it will
• 41:04
  be my pleasure. Lisa has told me all your students are as bright and
• 41:07
  dedicated to jazz as she is. Let's go now, mister Prenty. Chocolate
• 41:14
  microscopes, you know these guitars that are like double guitarres, you know more
• 41:20
  rubber stamps. Just you guys were awful, rich right. I'm not saying
• 41:23
  awful. Podcast is awful, rich Just you guys were awful, rich right.
• 41:27
  What would be the first thing you would buy? Do you think would
• 41:30
  you pay off family debt? Or is it now? They can wait?
• 41:32
  I'm going to buy something for myself first, walk you what are you buying?
• 41:36
  Then you've done your big purchases, haven't you really have? I really
• 41:39
  well, Tom's going to buy the World of Springfield figureut. But what about
• 41:44
  you? My heart says, immediately settle family, not settle family debt is
• 41:47
  in. We've incurd it on one another. But yeah, look after the
• 41:51
  family. I feel like i'd need some sort of statement purchase though, to
• 41:54
  announce yourself. Yeah. Yeah, Like I'm thinking straight away a big plot
• 41:59
  of land in or a big elaborate house. But I don't know that is
• 42:02
  that quick enough? You're you're gonna buy something that's not That makes no sense
• 42:06
  though, It's just ridiculous because I can afford to buy it. Like,
• 42:08
  what, what's what's your fun purchase? What's what's the one thing you look
• 42:10
  at and go, I'll never need that, but I'll always want it.
• 42:15
  Do you have one of those things? I don't. I No, I
• 42:19
  don't. I've always kind of wanted to put a giant I've always wanted like
• 42:22
  a giant fish tank. Call, so that would be an elaborate one,
• 42:24
  I guess, or like a room dividing, big ol' male giglow right,
• 42:28
  yes, yeah yeah, and and the old holes in the ceiling for me
• 42:30
  to dangle and crack my back. Yeah, but yeah, okay, we'll
• 42:35
  go with We'll go with giant fish tank and then women would pay you to
• 42:37
  give them pleasure. So great movie. That's such a great It's one of
• 42:44
  those movies that I loved when I was younger. And you I don't think
• 42:46
  I was even released on like physical media here because I loved I still buy
• 42:51
  blue rays and stuff, but I think you may have got a DVDY release.
• 42:52
  But I think they even bother put it on blue red, like no
• 42:54
  one likes this movie. And I was like, I like this movie.
• 42:58
  I remember the DVD cup. Isn't it like him sort of stretching by a
• 43:00
  lamp shade or like hurting himself on a lamp shade, or in Australia it
• 43:05
  was him peeping through a peep hole on the door. Oh nice, Oh
• 43:08
  cool? Yeah, but every country has their own different covers. But I
• 43:13
  think it might be on Disney Plus Action. Now that I say, I'm
• 43:15
  gonna have to go back and rewatch that movie. Now I'll watch you with
• 43:17
  you? And is that a shooting McGavin t shirt as well? Because I
• 43:21
  have heard that in the Happy Happy Gilmore two has in the works. Yeah,
• 43:23
  so yeah, Christopher Cameorry's last name because Christian er Donald is his name.
• 43:28
  The Glap Place shoot of Bagavin. He announced that Adam Sandler sent him
• 43:30
  a specscript potentially of Happy Gilmore two, which I don't It's one of those
• 43:36
  things where a lot of our listeners messages with me. I mentioned happ Gilmore
• 43:38
  all the time in the podcast, one of my favorite movies, and they
• 43:40
  go, are you excited for this? And I went, I will watch
• 43:44
  it, but I don't know whether I need it, because I just fear
• 43:46
  that it will never be able to live up to the nostalgia I have for
• 43:49
  the first one. I love Happy Gilmore. That was my definitely my favorite
• 43:52
  film for years and years and years. Happy Gilmore and Billy Madison was just
• 43:54
  the classic summer two punch on TV here in Australia every summer Billy Madison,
• 43:59
  Happy Gilmore back to back. Yeah, so good. And then we get
• 44:02
  as you mentioned earlier time with the intercom, I don't have an indacom or
• 44:05
  a secretary said to me, and we get mister Burns dressed up as Jimbo.
• 44:09
  Now there is a little clue in the back of the wall here where
• 44:12
  Skinners got a certificate because his name is w Seymour Skinner, so the W
• 44:17
  and the S also applies to Skinner in this episode. Yeah, they made
• 44:21
  sure to mention the W S and the background there, and the other thing
• 44:23
  too with him falling on the dial was he falls with W and S.
• 44:29
  Sure, and it's revealed to be M and S. But it's also three
• 44:30
  PM. That's the other three PM little clue that had in there as well.
• 44:35
  But it's revealed here that mister Burns is the one hundred and four year
• 44:37
  old man. I'm not sure if they mentioned his age before then, but
• 44:38
  one hundred and four years old. And he refuses to give him any money,
• 44:42
  so Burns tries to attack him. I was also thinking at the time
• 44:45
  that his age was announced just in this one episode that maybe that relates to
• 44:49
  him for getting Homer's name just on that occasion for some reason. But yeah,
• 44:54
  Burns, he tries to give him the old flailing arms attack, I'm
• 44:57
  going to get you, and then he calls which is just me fight exactly.
• 45:01
  And then yeah, the smith has kind of peppers in with a few
• 45:05
  staples, but I don't think any of them quite read him. But it's
• 45:07
  the family dinner and he didn't approve Bart's idea to revive the Three Stooges.
• 45:12
  And then we get Homer sad but not knowing his name, and Marge suggests
• 45:15
  the idea for the candy with the photo, which has a fantastic payoff,
• 45:19
  as you were mentioning earlier with home, I thinking he's getting the nice thank
• 45:22
  you letter, but no, his name wasn't mentioned in the car. But
• 45:24
  before we get to that moment, though, this is where we cut to
• 45:27
  Burns and he's using his binoculars to look around and sees his company about to
• 45:30
  drill and still all the oil from the school, and we get the famous
• 45:34
  light taking candy from a baby, which I guess is the big one,
• 45:37
  isn't it the big sort of clue? Which it's just a passing comment,
• 45:40
  but I think, you know, repeat viewings, you go, that's the
• 45:44
  one right there. Then we get the Oil Appreciation Day press conference and Lias
• 45:47
  it's about she turns on the pump, about to make them very very rich,
• 45:51
  and they realize there's no oil soon that myty apparatus will burst forth with
• 45:58
  its precious fluid most sexual listened to me, is all right oil. Skinner
• 46:20
  then says that we can't have anything that that I promised though, because you
• 46:22
  know, the oil doesn't belong to us, it belongs to who Ordia first,
• 46:24
  So unfortunately he's going to have to eliminate music and maintenance. Lisa then
• 46:29
  takes the call from Tito Puente, which were you guys a fan of?
• 46:31
  Like his guest appearance Tito in this I had no idea who he was as
• 46:35
  a kid. I still kind of don't really know who he is now,
• 46:37
  but I always enjoyed his song. I have no idea who he is at
• 46:39
  all, not a clue. Yeah, same same, but his music number
• 46:43
  was fun. A find way to kill like ninety seconds of the episode for
• 46:45
  them, Like, we can't be fucked writing this, just throwing a song
• 46:49
  I had. I had the Simpson CD for Christmas when I was young,
• 46:52
  So there's a lot of the songs that I often don't know what episode they're
• 46:55
  from, and then it will click in and oh, I know every word
• 46:59
  of this song just because the CDs to play as a kid. And I
• 47:01
  remember once from a charity shop buying the Simpsons Blue CD, the Blue CD,
• 47:05
  and that's terrible. See stinks, it's not great. It's got I
• 47:12
  think Do the Bartman might be on this, Do the Bartman on there?
• 47:14
  But that's about it, right, No, it's literally just the ones of
• 47:17
  their redub it old blue stuff and think it's of red cover. And I
• 47:21
  bought it for like a quid. I've got the vinyl here. I've listened
• 47:23
  to it once in a whek man that can just that can just stay there.
• 47:30
  But I think that that that sort of was the epitome of the Simpsons
• 47:35
  is so popular right now, let's just get whatever we can and slap the
• 47:37
  Simpsons face on it. And that just feels like one of those things where
• 47:39
  they went, yeah, we probably just went a little bit too far with
• 47:43
  that one. We thought people were going to appeal to the Simpsons singing the
• 47:45
  blues. But the songs in the Key of Springfield CD though, that was
• 47:47
  huge. That was like the soundtrack to my childhood. That one. I
• 47:51
  had all the songs from the show and things like that. Yeah, that's
• 47:53
  the one. Then how can you work for a man like mister Bangs,
• 47:59
  not a little bit. He did send me this nice thank you code mirch
• 48:01
  bite, Lisa and Maggie. Dad just doesn't have your name on it.
• 48:09
  It would you step out side for a second, Dear lord, that's the
• 48:20
  loudest profanity I have ever heard. Now Mo's is full of fumes, and
• 48:24
  he's dizzy, nauseous, and where's the inflated sense of self estee which is
• 48:28
  about to find Barney And they have to unfortunately close down the bar due to
• 48:31
  the fume. So Moe gets his shotgun, Barney gets his pistol, and
• 48:35
  now that he's got his sense of self esteem, then we get If you
• 48:38
  look on the background of the TV there too, there's an ad for pardonizing
• 48:42
  and it says it'll be on at three pm on the TV in Moe's as
• 48:45
  that scenes going on, not not sort of, it's just in the background,
• 48:47
  but if you if you know, it's there. Now the oil drilling
• 48:52
  causes the ground to collapse and the retirement castle has sins, which means pas
• 48:55
  moving with the Simpsons, Who the devil? You don't what are you talking
• 49:09
  about? Makes sense? Man? I can't. Oh you're a dead man.
• 49:17
  Oh you're dead. You're dead birds. As you said, they did
• 49:22
  a good job of building up everyone's reasoning for wanting to kill both. Even
• 49:24
  though Homer seems a bit ridiculous, you can still believe that Homer as we
• 49:29
  know him would still maybe go to that length because he seems so angry at
• 49:32
  least. Oh definitely this is that. I had this down as the third
• 49:36
  person to make a verbal threat on Burns in this episode already Home is the
• 49:39
  third. I think Willie and Smith, Willie and sorry Lisa. So Lisa
• 49:45
  was on the phone just before the biggest fuck in history and she says,
• 49:50
  yeah, I'd like to settle his hash. And I googled what does what
• 49:53
  does settle his hash mean? What does that? And I could not find.
• 49:58
  She says, settle his hatch, settle his god. Yeah, okay,
• 50:00
  good? Could hear it? Is she threatening him? Or is okay
• 50:09
  hat hatch makes a lot more sense. Yeah, But also I guess that
• 50:15
  means that Tito also made the threat, we just didn't hear him say it.
• 50:17
  Yeah, okay, so Homer is the fourth. I do I do
• 50:21
  think Mo and Balley brandishing weapons is also a kind of a threat. Very
• 50:24
  true. That's very, very true. I think Homer seems the angriest I
• 50:28
  have everyone, though easily he's the one that as well. He's also also
• 50:30
  displayed it in other episodes where he can be off the wall and a bit.
• 50:34
  I'm not sure if the most flame and flaming Homer's episode is before this
• 50:38
  one. Yeah, Moses season three. Yeah, so in that one even
• 50:43
  he loses his mind a little bit and goes a little bit chaotic on that
• 50:45
  one. So he's got it in him to kind of lose it. So
• 50:47
  I think Homer being off the wall on this and again he looks the angriest
• 50:51
  of everyone. I think, Wow, that's my old smith in Westion.
• 50:54
  You're gonna play whether it be careful because it's loaded. Damn. Guns are
• 51:00
  very dangerous and I won't have them in this house. How can you have
• 51:05
  a house without a gun? What about bear can't through the door. I'm
• 51:09
  going to bury it in the yard where little hands can't get to it.
• 51:13
  You should have fired into the air. She would have run off. Grandpa
• 51:16
  Simpson is so good in this episode. Underrated performance. What was the point
• 51:21
  for you when you finally realized that you were in that moment where it's like
• 51:23
  it'll happen to you. You know. I used to be with it,
• 51:25
  but I'm not a change what it was. Have you hit that moment yet?
• 51:29
  I've definitely hit that moment where I don't understand, Like I don't understand
• 51:31
  the music scene anymore. I'm just I'm getting old. Yeah, completely,
• 51:36
  I've think four or five years ago happened to me. I think TikTok is
• 51:38
  definitely one way I can't sit up for the life of me, and I
• 51:42
  can't understand any of the filters or even snapchat to find a little bit out
• 51:45
  of my depth. So, yes, it's happened. I finally had to
• 51:47
  like learn it from my job while being social media and things like that.
• 51:52
  But do you guys use TikTok for your podcast or was it mainly Instagram?
• 51:54
  We've used it sporadically, I think again that's probably a sign of our age.
• 51:59
  We've had a couple that have done okay, but we've not been consistent
• 52:02
  whatsoever, which I think TikTok seems to face the problem. Yeah, yeah,
• 52:07
  consistent every day. If you don't post every day, TikTok algorithms goes
• 52:10
  nah. Yeah, yeah, we are. We are long gone. We
• 52:14
  are long gone on TikTok. Yeah. Yeah, the problem is I sually
• 52:16
  we put all our eggs in one bart. With Facebook, We've got a
• 52:19
  huge following. But like I said, you know, a couple of weeks
• 52:21
  ago, they just took it away from us. Adam know when I thought
• 52:23
  I need to start ticking and talking. That's what they call it, right
• 52:34
  exactly. Snapchat is still a thing. I never used Snapchat ever in my
• 52:37
  life. I work in social media and we work with a lot of creators
• 52:43
  as well, and your Facebook is one we work with a lot. And
• 52:45
  Snapchat is actually really if you get on there, it's actually really good for
• 52:51
  for monetization as well. It's a really big one, especially over here.
• 52:54
  Yeah I think it was an America but yeah it's a mad one. But
• 53:00
  yeah, Facebook is Facebook. We work with a page where we have ten
• 53:02
  posts a day, ten posts a day. Yeah, it's full on me?
• 53:07
  What it look glad? Bible? What? What? What? Who?
• 53:09
  What's ten posts? Ten posts? Don't say who it was? But
• 53:12
  is it news based or is it just useless content? I say, I
• 53:15
  can say it's a podcast called Diary of a CEO. Okay, is your
• 53:20
  dragons? Don Tom he's in dragons Den over here. But yeah, he's
• 53:22
  kind of like a business yed guy. He's one of those. Yeah,
• 53:25
  but yeah it's for it's the client and that, and yeah it's doing really
• 53:29
  well from it, but it's really making me think maybe Facebook other pages need
• 53:34
  a lot more attention. But ten posts a day is mad. It's now
• 53:37
  top of the big town meeting at the end of part one. Mister Burns
• 53:39
  he's planned to block out the sun, and the mayor has his little underling
• 53:43
  to just give him the gist of what's going on here, and he realized
• 53:45
  a number of them a striking guns, so he's going to step aside and
• 53:49
  where everyone runs through why mister Burns has ruined their lives. Mister Burns was
• 53:53
  the closest thing I ever had to him, but he fired me and fun
• 54:00
  around Bay drinking cheap scotch and watching govern in Central Oh dear God, I
• 54:07
  never ass pardon my anger, but course me my clones skipping job at the
• 54:10
  school. And do you superstitiously take the one at got to him. I
• 54:15
  lost my room, my things, and my buddy's collection of old sunbathing magazine
• 54:22
  you based it. I lost my bar Oster's Bar. He robbed the School
• 54:28
  of Music, he robbed the School of Financial Security, he robbed the School
• 54:30
  of Title. He can't remember my name's look what he did? My best
• 54:37
  friend? What do you guys like? Millhouse? Well, as as I
• 54:43
  finished part two of Who Show, Mister Burns Radioactive Man episode was on,
• 54:49
  which is a big, a big Millhouse episode, and I loved the episode
• 54:52
  and actually quite like Millhouse in that as well. But he did start to
• 54:54
  grete on me towards the end, as did Lisa in both of these episodes.
• 55:00
  She'd kind of put herself and that's when I started to suspect Lisa because
• 55:02
  she was kind of providing everyone with an overview on who the main suspects are.
• 55:07
  She was kind of narrating the story as you went, and I was
• 55:08
  just like, Lisa, come on, what has Lisa got to gain here?
• 55:14
  But you know, I'm a fan of Millhouse. Millhouse in the oil
• 55:15
  Bart when Bart sells his soul, I think he's really funny in that one.
• 55:19
  It's also a complete dick though it's totally fair, but it was It's
• 55:28
  nice to see Millhouse finally have the upper hand on Barca. Usually Bart just
• 55:31
  hanging shit on Millhouse. I always remember that moment in Summer of four foot
• 55:35
  two where they go to go on the summer vacation and Bart's trying to impress
• 55:39
  those kids and then they don't vote for for it. It was like,
• 55:43
  who was you think, Dennis and Menace as I did it work? No,
• 55:45
  they must have seen you. But so it's perfect time here for mister
• 55:51
  Burns to arrive with some oil to for his wheels, the dog's wheels,
• 55:53
  so because they're squeaking a bit, and I just love that what a heel
• 55:58
  where he's like, I've got some oil, perhaps I can sell him some
• 56:00
  oil to this dog, And I was like, what a prick. I
• 56:06
  just I just love the way thats have. Mister Burns go full super villain
• 56:08
  in this episode. Yeah, the old waistcoat pocket what's the word for storing
• 56:15
  a gun that's so bad that I don't know? The wholester who thank you,
• 56:19
  I've even got a run down, Yeah, the old waistcoat holster.
• 56:22
  Yeah, and he's got a bit of a spring in his step at this
• 56:23
  point as well as if anything bad, very cocky and pay attention to that
• 56:29
  Holster is also a very big clue yes, yeah, yeah. So then
• 56:31
  we get did you see you haven't seen the sun set at three pm?
• 56:35
  Of course to see Captain has shut up you. And then he gets through
• 56:37
  the sun, wads off into the knife Crossy arrives from Reno. He's been
• 56:39
  away for six weeks? Where is everybody? You? Okay? What did
• 56:53
  you play that with? Response? This Burns has been shot. Just a
• 57:01
  minute. This isn't mister Burns at all. It's a mask. Wait,
• 57:09
  it is Burns. His wrinklee skin looks like a mask. I don't think,
• 57:15
  Well I don't know who did this. Everyone in towns a suspect.
• 57:27
  Well, I couldn't. Possibly it's alve this mystery, can you Yeah,
• 57:32
  I'll give it a shot. I mean, you know, it's my job,
• 57:36
  right And that is the end of part one, and we'll just basically
• 57:38
  talk about episodes. You won't skin through the whole thing. It will take
• 57:40
  forever. But I just love the way in episode two, the way so
• 57:45
  when it starts off with the shower scene, do you know what that's a
• 57:46
  reference to? Where it's just it's a dream? Do you do you know
• 57:50
  what that's a reference to? Because they've become detectives together in the race cab.
• 57:53
  Yeah, so basically what happened was Dallas, the show we mentioned earlier
• 57:58
  with the who shot Jr. Years or six years later or whatever. Ratings
• 58:00
  were dropping after they killed off one of their main characters, and then the
• 58:06
  season finale, a woman wakes up from a sleep, goes into the shower
• 58:09
  and the person who was her husband had died and she'd since remarried and I
• 58:13
  think his name is Bobby or something, and he's just having a shower and
• 58:15
  he's like hello, And that was the end of the season. So for
• 58:17
  the entire summer, everyone's going, how is this possible? Whatever, And
• 58:21
  they just explain in the first episode of the next season, Oh, that
• 58:23
  last season was all a dream. Pretend it never happened. He's back,
• 58:29
  and that's where the whole it was just the dream things comes from. Now
• 58:31
  whenever you see a parody of it was all a dream. Yeah, that's
• 58:35
  what they're taking off here. Basically, it was just widing themselves out of
• 58:37
  a hole because everyone stopped watching because they killed off a character. So they
• 58:40
  just rode him back in and said it was all a dream. And that's
• 58:43
  what this was a take off of. Because it was Dallas and Dallas because
• 58:46
  they were coming back from the season. Yeah, and that's how that season
• 58:51
  started as well. Yeah. One thing as well that really stuck out from
• 58:54
  the first episode is Marge obviously said she would go and bury the gun,
• 58:58
  and it's sort of a yes, did she bury it? Did she not
• 59:00
  bury it? But she buried it in the front garden. Yeah, the
• 59:05
  revolver, the revolver box was dug up and it was just blowing in the
• 59:07
  wind of the front garden, which everybody can see. So whoever's dug that
• 59:12
  revolver up? Yeah, I was like, wow, why not the back
• 59:15
  garden. You've already got like bits of treehouse. You could hide it underneath.
• 59:19
  I guess they did that as an establishing shot, so you can see
• 59:21
  the Simpsons house in the background, so you know where it was. We
• 59:24
  guys, as lost as I was as a kid watching the Twin Peaks reference
• 59:29
  in this episode with the clues, I had fucking no idea what was going
• 59:32
  on when I was a kid. I still I've still never seen Twin Peaks.
• 59:36
  I still I've seen that scene now because I knew what they were referencing,
• 59:38
  But the the Burns is sued. I was like, I have no
• 59:42
  idea, what's happening right now? Yeah, I think I've got the basic
• 59:45
  ings think references, but I didn't get a twin Peaks. Now, was
• 59:46
  it Wigham had some bad cream and then started having a bad dream? Bad
• 59:52
  cream was warm? Or yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. So my girlfriend
• 59:57
  said, that's a Twin Peaks reference. That's a Twin Peak and I I've
• 1:00:00
  never seen it, so I didn't get it, but she got it straight
• 1:00:01
  away. I think that's what the Simpsons were so great at, was referencing
• 1:00:05
  things that sort of made you go and do research and discover other great moments
• 1:00:08
  of pop culture sort of other great well. For example, they're Indiana Jones
• 1:00:14
  parody with Homer rolling down the stairs. If you haven't seen Indiana Jones,
• 1:00:17
  yeah, you just think that's just a funny Simpsons visual gag. But no,
• 1:00:21
  as you get you're like, hey, it's Indiana Jones. You know
• 1:00:23
  so good this and these both these episodes are chopped full of them as well.
• 1:00:27
  Yeah one dred percent, Yeah, but what we lock your key takeaways
• 1:00:30
  from part two? For me, the standout moment was, and it's so
• 1:00:34
  small and insignificant, but Moe's lie detector. Oh that's iconic, isn't it?
• 1:00:37
  So so good? I have a hot date tonight, No I have
• 1:00:42
  I have a date. No, I have a dinner with a friend.
• 1:00:45
  No, I have dinner alone watching TV alone. No, No, I'm
• 1:00:47
  going to sit on old ladies in Victoria's Secret No sears okay, ding so
• 1:00:53
  good? Sound like I don't deserve this chebvy treatment. So good, that's
• 1:01:01
  great. I do also love the basic instinct Willie gag here opening up the
• 1:01:06
  legs of the kilt. So do you think they did a good job of
• 1:01:09
  establishing that Homer was going to be the one? It felt a bit early
• 1:01:13
  in the episode went upon reflection now, but I think it's a game.
• 1:01:15
  When I was first watching it, I went, ah, it's just Homer,
• 1:01:17
  because it all made sense. I think, like because we said about
• 1:01:22
  the other episodes. I mean, even though he was the most angry one,
• 1:01:24
  and you know, you think he probably has it in him because he
• 1:01:28
  usually calms down it's resolved. I never, even though it did got about
• 1:01:32
  to be even though it is one of the main family, I didn't.
• 1:01:37
  I think Home was too big a character In my head. Even then,
• 1:01:38
  I was like, it's not going to be him, but I don't,
• 1:01:43
  you know, I don't even remember as a kid, though, who I
• 1:01:45
  strongly believed it being. I remember thinking he shot himself for a long time
• 1:01:49
  because the whole star and maybe he was trying to pull it out, and
• 1:01:52
  I did, yeah, I for a long time before he'd accidentally discharged the
• 1:01:55
  rifle of the pistol into himself. But would never in a million have gone
• 1:02:00
  to Maggie. I remember when I was watching this as a kid, I
• 1:02:02
  thought it was Smithers, and then when they said it was Homer, I
• 1:02:05
  thought, ah. Then I thought maybe it was Herb. I thought they're
• 1:02:07
  going to bring back Herb the Simpsons, But then it wouldn't make sense because
• 1:02:12
  I hadn't really established a reason for that. But any reason to bring back
• 1:02:15
  Herb, in my opinion, because I thought Dan Davida was Herb is one
• 1:02:16
  of my favorite one or two time characters of all time. But yeah,
• 1:02:21
  I just I remember watching this one and when it was revealed finally at the
• 1:02:23
  end that it is it is Maggie. I remember being disappointed, But you
• 1:02:29
  know, my logical brain now looks back and goes it was probably the right
• 1:02:31
  option because it was the only sort of way out, wasn't it if they
• 1:02:36
  did the evil baby with the one eyebrow. Yeah, but then you have
• 1:02:38
  to ignore the Simpsons DNA as as trou McClure says in one hundred and thirtyeth
• 1:02:44
  episode Spectacular that it would just be down right nuddy had Larry Burns been introduced
• 1:02:49
  by this point or not, and of season six I think he was.
• 1:02:52
  Season seven, I want to say Burns, baby Burns. But holy Molly,
• 1:02:55
  is at a great episode that I never appreciated. Nothing as aid as
• 1:02:58
  a kid so good, so obviously so in the one hundred and thirty eight
• 1:03:01
  episode Spectacular, which may have been the following season or the season after,
• 1:03:06
  it's where they show all the alternate endings that they had the animators just draw
• 1:03:09
  just to throw them off. They were genuinely created because it was a big
• 1:03:13
  deal. Like they said that when they did the table read for this one,
• 1:03:15
  the final five to ten pages of the script were printed out on separate
• 1:03:20
  paper and only a handful of them new and once they'd done it, they
• 1:03:23
  shredded it. You couldn't read it anymore because they wanted to keep it a
• 1:03:27
  secret. And yeah, so basically it was like this huge deal. So
• 1:03:30
  they got them to do the fake endings and that's why they had the ending
• 1:03:34
  in that episode where it was actually revealed to be Smithers, so you would
• 1:03:37
  never really know who actually was. Yeah. Wow, they went all out
• 1:03:39
  then. Yeah, And apparently they tried to leak it. They went to
• 1:03:42
  like news outlets and said, look, I've got footage of this Smithers.
• 1:03:45
  Here's the footage, and no news outlet would run with it. Everyone all
• 1:03:50
  of a sudden, was honest. They wanted to throw out this spoiler that
• 1:03:52
  was a fake spoiler, but no one bought it anyway. But that is
• 1:03:54
  who shot mister Burns part too. Just it would probably be top for me.
• 1:03:59
  It's top five, but I knowbout you guys, but top five most
• 1:04:00
  iconic episodes of the Simpsons. Not necessarily the best, but just iconic.
• 1:04:04
  It's the ones that we were one of the ones that we remember the most.
• 1:04:08
  I think, yeah, I think it's jam packed with loads of singers,
• 1:04:10
  like I said, And yeah, even though in the fact it's spook
• 1:04:13
  because usually the Simpsons tend the spoof maybe one film or whatever. But it
• 1:04:16
  does do a few good spoofs. And if you could nods to other mysteries
• 1:04:19
  as well, and like you say, when you get older, you kind
• 1:04:21
  of realize what that actually, you know. I didn't know what basic instinct
• 1:04:24
  was when I was watching it the first time, but then the joke Riddy
• 1:04:27
  lunds when you know the exact thing that they're doing. So yeah, I
• 1:04:30
  think it definitely holds up. Not yeah, it's not in my top five,
• 1:04:31
  but it's definitely like in one of the ones, like I think back
• 1:04:34
  and Go, that's a very solid episode. Definitely. But speaking of top
• 1:04:38
  five, asked the question for you guys now before we get into your to
• 1:04:41
  your stuff, so I threw it to you. You're in charge of a
• 1:04:44
  Simpsons marathon ninety to ninety eight. I'm not sure what did Aaron BBC?
• 1:04:47
  What was what? Sky? What was it on Channel four and Sky?
• 1:04:53
  Sky one? H Channel four and Sky? Okay, so not only a
• 1:04:55
  Channel four and Sky Friday Night five episodes Simpsons marathon? What episodes that you
• 1:05:00
  guys go on with. I've got some. The thing is, I'm not
• 1:05:02
  going to try and be too cool with this. I'm going to go for
• 1:05:05
  ones that I just think naturally, you know, the standouts, and I
• 1:05:08
  think some of them are fairly obvious. But yeah, march Bus is the
• 1:05:11
  monorail. That's the one that's one of those iconic ones that it's just it's
• 1:05:15
  just so memorable. Yeah, and I didn't really I didn't realize it was
• 1:05:18
  called this one. I searched Simpson's Lord of the Flyers and it was das
• 1:05:20
  Bus. Dast Bus is fantastic. Yeah, or rescue by let's say,
• 1:05:25
  mo King of the Hill. The only reason for that one is because you
• 1:05:32
  know when you have certain food on TV that really makes you like you really
• 1:05:35
  want to eat it. That spaghetti protein bar that he does whenever I see
• 1:05:42
  looks so good. So for that little nod for that. But I found
• 1:05:46
  a recipe online for that, which is I don't know how it was a
• 1:05:48
  recipe on line. When I was searching for it, it showed me someone
• 1:05:50
  made one. I was like, it's not quite the same, but yeah,
• 1:05:55
  I was go a Treehouse of Horror. They're all great, but I
• 1:05:58
  like the I really like the Edgar Poe one, but also the snake snake
• 1:06:01
  Hair one is brilliant. And I really think Carl the Pa Simpson and Delilah,
• 1:06:08
  I really like Carl the Pa. I think his voice is incredible,
• 1:06:11
  so underrated, have you I see it as as Carl is so great.
• 1:06:15
  Yeah, he's brilliant. All right, well's a good it's a good five.
• 1:06:17
  What about you, Ben, We we have none of the same,
• 1:06:21
  which is cool. And these are ones. I picked these five before I
• 1:06:26
  looked online for additional episodes because I could easily have picked fifteen. So we're
• 1:06:30
  starting off with the b Sharps. As a big Beatles fan, I approve
• 1:06:33
  it's just so much fun. Then we're moving on to two dozen and one
• 1:06:38
  Greyhounds, where mister Burns tries to make the greyhound suit mister Plow. Then
• 1:06:44
  we go into the way we was just always remember, all right, all
• 1:06:46
  right, I'll walk in the mud. Yeah, that same way that I'm
• 1:06:49
  gonna hug you in Kisse. You'll never let you go. It's just so
• 1:06:51
  sweet, isn't it? So good? So good? And then we're finishing
• 1:06:56
  on Flaming Mos, which again became just so much fun to have a mo
• 1:07:00
  one in that homer at the top and at the end of finding Mos with
• 1:07:02
  his gown over half over his face. It's just one of the most funniest
• 1:07:05
  visuals ever. You were mentioned that you love the emotional endings, how you're
• 1:07:11
  going the way he was? I thought you might have thrown in and make
• 1:07:13
  you make three. They do it for her. That seems to be the
• 1:07:15
  one everyone talks about now. It would Yeah, if I had gone with
• 1:07:18
  my then googled ones, it would one hundred percent of been on there.
• 1:07:20
  And also, yeah, the is it the Joe? No, Marg Marge
• 1:07:26
  be not proud and a Millhouse Divided always kind of stuck with me as well
• 1:07:30
  because Kurt van Outen is such a funny character as well. The best part
• 1:07:33
  about Millhouse Divided is they were willing to separate these two characters and at the
• 1:07:38
  end they didn't get back together. That's the bit I love you. Yeah,
• 1:07:42
  yeah, yeah, It's like they set up like, oh, you
• 1:07:44
  know, he's singing the song for It's all happy ending against She's gonna leave
• 1:07:46
  this big ladiator go and got back with Kirk. She's like, no,
• 1:07:49
  I don't like you. It's like that's life, you know. They split
• 1:07:53
  up for a reason. Alright, But let's talk about I could murder a
• 1:07:59
  podcast. So yeah, basically you mentioned how you did you still use you
• 1:08:02
  launched it over covid? Is that what you said? Yes, yeah,
• 1:08:05
  kind of at the height of the first lockdown, or when things first started
• 1:08:09
  to ease up slightly that we could be in the same room as one another.
• 1:08:12
  We'd always wanted to do something, and we were both kind of still
• 1:08:15
  working through the pandemic, but we had a bit of spare time. We
• 1:08:18
  both got kind of drunk and tried to rip off another YouTube channel, which
• 1:08:21
  is Hummy's VR comedy, and instead of playing virtual reality games, they use
• 1:08:27
  the games as platforms to do improv comedy and they use the characters and they
• 1:08:31
  film from their headsets and it's so so good. It's very niche, but
• 1:08:34
  so so good. We wanted to do our own version, but we quickly
• 1:08:38
  realized we get terrible motion sickness, so we went with Plan B. Tom
• 1:08:42
  had the name. We were both always into our true crime and yeah,
• 1:08:45
  the rest is kind of history for now. Any particular crime that you invest
• 1:08:51
  yourself in more than others, well, well, I think nowadays what definitely
• 1:08:56
  with the podcast, I enjoy the light moments of it, or being able
• 1:08:59
  to be like in the podcast, which is the bits why I find it
• 1:09:01
  fun. And I think we had the most fun with doing the ones that
• 1:09:04
  are mysteries or ones that happened so long ago, they don't feel real.
• 1:09:10
  Now you feel like, oh, you feel like in a safer zone,
• 1:09:13
  to be a bit walk the line a bit more in terms of having a
• 1:09:16
  few jokes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the word. But a
• 1:09:18
  mystery ones, I think it's always good to speculate and discuss between ourselves what
• 1:09:21
  we think might have actually happened. I think then, yeah, I don't
• 1:09:27
  know, some random ones really like Again or ed Guyn, however you want
• 1:09:30
  to say it. That one was actually very enjoyable because it was so grotesque.
• 1:09:34
  It just felt like a horror film. But yeah, mystery ones are
• 1:09:38
  great. Wasn't that the text has changed on Messaco? Wasn't it based on
• 1:09:42
  him? Yeah? Yeah, definitely played a big part in the family.
• 1:09:45
  Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah. I mean there's so many
• 1:09:48
  cases we've done that do feel that way. I think it's tricky because in
• 1:09:53
  our world it's you're either a super serious facts facts, facts, facts,
• 1:09:57
  dates, dates, date states, this is what happened. Or there are
• 1:10:00
  ones that are really loose and actually take the piss in quite an offensive way
• 1:10:03
  some of them, and we're somewhere in the middle. Floating around. We're
• 1:10:09
  kind of like a mid morning you can have a bath and listen to us.
• 1:10:12
  Nothing bad is going to happen. We try and when it does get
• 1:10:15
  a bit too intense, the light relief is usually at my expense or you
• 1:10:19
  know, any weird niche references. We can go down, but it's we
• 1:10:23
  try and make it light where we can so that it's more digestible, because
• 1:10:27
  some of these cases are really heavy. I think a lot of people have
• 1:10:29
  said that it's like they can't listen to true crime because they find it either
• 1:10:32
  triggering or they find it really hard. And we're kind of a bit like,
• 1:10:35
  because we have the light moments, we kind of break it up a
• 1:10:38
  little bit. I'm sure that's a bit some people find really frustrating because they
• 1:10:41
  want us to just to carry on and get into it. But at the
• 1:10:43
  same time, yeah, I wouldn't do it if it's just been serious the
• 1:10:45
  whole time. But I do think us doing it on YouTube, that's where
• 1:10:49
  you get the comments from people going, oh, it's not always wanting to
• 1:10:53
  get on with it. That's why I think a lot of the more kind
• 1:10:55
  of the more crude ones that take the piss a lot more. They just
• 1:10:59
  don't do visuals, so they still on audio, and you know, then
• 1:11:00
  no one can really comment in a public space and they can get away of
• 1:11:03
  it a lot more. But we put ourselves in the fire and line a
• 1:11:06
  little bit. I was just interested to know that how did you guys go
• 1:11:10
  into it, going how do we differentiate ourself from every other true crime podcast
• 1:11:15
  because there's so many of them. Yeah, that's true, and every every
• 1:11:18
  case is being covered by at least one of them. So for us it
• 1:11:21
  was I mean even in our early time on YouTube, that was when we
• 1:11:25
  were so stoked when you reached out because in our first couple of series on
• 1:11:29
  YouTube, we put up a lot of visual gags and a few of them
• 1:11:31
  were Simpsons ones. So Tom was like, oh, we were He made
• 1:11:35
  a joke and then was like, oh that's good, squishy and a little
• 1:11:40
  a little cup of so niche. No one's watching true crime looking for Simpsons
• 1:11:44
  references, but that was our kind of our thing. Everyone loves those,
• 1:11:47
  but that honestly helps you find a whole new audience. If you can work
• 1:11:50
  in Simpsons references, you're there. Well, we did every series that we
• 1:11:56
  do, we do an audience vote and we just did the one our audience
• 1:11:59
  vote last week and someone even commented who shot mister Burns? Cover that case?
• 1:12:02
  Who shot mister Burns? Cover that case? And so we mentioned we're
• 1:12:04
  coming on with you, which was super pumped about. But I think it's
• 1:12:09
  just we've we try and do it slightly different. We try and interject where
• 1:12:13
  we can a little bit of light relief or make it more digestible, and
• 1:12:16
  that's and it's that's kind of separated us for now from a few other podcasts,
• 1:12:20
  which has been nice. Have you ever considered doing who Shot Mister Burns
• 1:12:25
  as a serious case but having a different killer, just putting your own spin
• 1:12:29
  on it. That would be so much fun. That would be fun.
• 1:12:31
  Definitely would be fun. Yeah, and yeah, we could go kind of
• 1:12:34
  urn with it. I mean, yeah, that could be That could be
• 1:12:38
  cool. I've got three order thousand followers who might be interested in watching in
• 1:12:43
  that case, It's yeah, I think it's in the works. But we
• 1:12:47
  have interesting I think that's probably what Tom's about to say. We've covered cases
• 1:12:50
  that are who Done It? Where there's you know, someone that's sadly being
• 1:12:57
  murdered, and yeah, there are four or five family members, strangers,
• 1:13:01
  work, colleagues, ex lovers and it's still unsolved, or there's someone been
• 1:13:05
  wrongfully imprisoned or rightfully in prison, and those cases are always the most fascinating
• 1:13:10
  ones because everyone has a different opinion and really strong different opinion, which I
• 1:13:15
  think, again was such a cool thing about these Simpsons episodes is that everyone
• 1:13:18
  had a different person in mind. No one had Maggie, No nobody.
• 1:13:24
  Yeah, is there any case off of it to you, any type of
• 1:13:28
  case? Well, yeah, But one of the ones that Ben definitely had
• 1:13:30
  on his list was it was one that we got voted in the public vote,
• 1:13:34
  so it kind of were ham strong and we had to kind of cover
• 1:13:39
  it. I've kind of been open to whatever case really just because I felt
• 1:13:43
  like we've covered so we've covered an absolute breadth of ones from you know,
• 1:13:47
  school shootings to like in Watkins Jimmy staff, all that kind of stuff,
• 1:13:50
  and they feel like we kind of not because I think we've did not desensitize
• 1:13:55
  ourselves. We still get like, you know, mostly affected by the episodes.
• 1:13:57
  But and a lot of times we when filming them, we'll crack jokes
• 1:14:01
  to each other that don't make the episode to kind of loosen the vibe a
• 1:14:04
  little bit and get us through some dark bits, which I think helps us
• 1:14:09
  definitely. But I think, no, I think is the ones we've covered.
• 1:14:12
  I think that we're kind of open to everything. There's ones that are
• 1:14:15
  more interested in rather than a case of being like I wouldn't want to cover
• 1:14:18
  that for whatever reason. I think the only thing that we ever do say
• 1:14:21
  is kind off limits is if someone requests a case that happened a month ago,
• 1:14:26
  a few weeks ago, something that's very prominent in the news, because
• 1:14:29
  we don't have all the facts yet, it's very reactionary. There are a
• 1:14:31
  lot of channels that do do that type of thing and like an overview and
• 1:14:34
  interject their opinions on new you know, recent news. There's been so much
• 1:14:38
  in the news today about terrible things that have happened in Sweden and Austria,
• 1:14:43
  but especially if it's a murder case, we have to wait until we have
• 1:14:46
  all of our facts, until it's not so emotionally fresh that people might view
• 1:14:51
  us as trying to cash in on that kind of situation, which is just
• 1:14:55
  not what we're about at all. So that's the only thing I'd say,
• 1:14:57
  Like, really recent events is kind of things we typically tried to avoid.
• 1:15:00
  I was just better to ask you, do you ever watch the news days
• 1:15:02
  days and just go we can do a show on that. But do you
• 1:15:05
  watch the news now and go three years from now? Yeah? The Titan
• 1:15:11
  submersible. Do you remember that a year ago? Two years ago? How
• 1:15:15
  could you not? Yeah? Well that's well. One of the Simpsons,
• 1:15:18
  one of the classic Simpsons rids Mike Race, went on that it was all
• 1:15:23
  over the news as a result. Wow. Yeah, I mean there was
• 1:15:26
  content made about that the day, well before it had even been discovered what
• 1:15:30
  had happened. There were so many people making content about it. But I
• 1:15:32
  still feel it's very fresh for the families and investigations still going on. But
• 1:15:36
  I would again I find that situation harrowing but fascinating. But there's as you
• 1:15:42
  said, there was news news alerts today, there was a school in Sweden
• 1:15:45
  that something terrible happened in. There'll be people wanting content about that, but
• 1:15:49
  it's just that's kind of not our not our thing. And then mass shootings
• 1:15:54
  or incidents like that, especially when it's kids, it's they always slightly difficult
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  to talk about and research thoroughly and they've been the most challenging ones to deliver,
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  Tom, I think, I mean, they're all challenging, but yeah,
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  I'm fully agree with you. I think it's it's it's because I agree
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  with you as well, but the news stuff. But it's like, we
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  can't we can't monetize it straight away, but we can monetize it in two
• 1:16:16
  years time. It still feels a little bit like that. It's problematic in
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  itself, but yeah, it's more because it's fresh, and you know,
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  we don't want to say anything or if someone's been accused of something and you
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  know early on and it proved not to be the case. But yeah,
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  it's tricky. But I think one thing that one of the best comments we
• 1:16:35
  get from people is just people saying they watch it and they've you know,
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  they've heard this case a million times, but they've learned something new from us,
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  or they enjoy they listen to it and they want to watch it again
• 1:16:45
  as well, and we give them a slightly different experience watching it. I
• 1:16:48
  think that's always the kind of nice comments we get about them. But yeah,
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  I think it has to be a little bit time past before we can
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  jump on it. But it's for two reasons. Like you said, obviously
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  it's a bit too raw being so reasonable. I like the idea of we
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  don't have all the facts yet. You can't do a full, complete deep
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  dive unless you've got no pun intended, all the facts on for example,
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  the subversa and things like that. You know, because there was a lot
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  of people making apologies after the actual reasoning came out. Everyone was like,
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  ah, we'll cracking jokes and things we probably shouldn't have been. Yeah,
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  yeah, it was luckily nothing. We've not had to do any kind of
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  apology yet, but yeah, I can completely understand how that, how how
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  that does happen, And yeah, we want to get our facts right,
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  as Tom said we would. We would hate to get something incorrect or misrepresent
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  a person that is, you know, innocent of something where we're not.
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  We're not. We're not about that at all. Have you ever started a
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  crime particular sort of episode of story and just gone halfway through and went just
• 1:17:44
  not feeling it. I just can't continue with this one or say our first
• 1:17:46
  episode was a real struggle because it was just it was absolutely terrible when it
• 1:17:50
  took about five hours to get get through it. But because we had in
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  their structure whatsoever. But apart from that, I don't I don't know.
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  I think this one is that I'm less ged about. And then usually those
• 1:18:02
  ones, to be fair surprise me when we actually film them and we discuss
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  them. But there's never been one that we've gone like started it or researching
• 1:18:10
  it and gone Now. We have bailed on a couple maybe season finishes and
• 1:18:15
  changed them because we thought maybe they're not a strong, stronger clothes we like
• 1:18:17
  to use to go for a bit of a curveball at the end of the
• 1:18:19
  series. But yeah, I don't know. I think because we have such
• 1:18:25
  a long time as well, where we have usually have two or three months
• 1:18:28
  between the series, we have a good time to kind of vet out the
• 1:18:30
  ones that we think and not quite up to what we want to do.
• 1:18:34
  Was that a deliberate choice going into it, not a weekly thing. We're
• 1:18:38
  doing this season by season so we don't burn ourselves out or Yeah, we
• 1:18:41
  started with six episodes the first series, and then we yead doubled that and
• 1:18:45
  then when we decided we're not going to do visual for a series, I
• 1:18:47
  thought our people will probably be a bit pissed off. Let's do eighteen,
• 1:18:51
  which I think everyone hated me for after doing it because it was like,
• 1:18:54
  yeah, there's a long, a long our stretch, but I think,
• 1:18:57
  yeah, it works nicely and are kind of like twelve on twelve off.
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  But we still do minnesotes every week on our website. So we do and
• 1:19:03
  they're like forty minutes long as well, and we do that. There's over
• 1:19:06
  one hundred and fifty on there now, so like, even though we have
• 1:19:09
  a break, it's still not a break break. And yeah, those ones
• 1:19:14
  are always good, so you tease them with the seasons. But if you
• 1:19:17
  want to get weekly content, you've got to be a subscriber. That's the
• 1:19:20
  key. Yeah, yeah, I love that. My marketing brain is like,
• 1:19:24
  yes, that's how it works. So with let's talk about so the
• 1:19:29
  website. I've noticed, so what do you we use Patreon, which I'm
• 1:19:31
  trying to get away from me and it's not really liking the platform of Patreont
• 1:19:35
  the moment. What do you guys use as a platform for subscribers fourth Wall.
• 1:19:40
  There's a little they did a little video on us the other day which
• 1:19:43
  it might be might be a few for you to watch, but we basically
• 1:19:45
  have some problems with Patreon, and we didn't quite like how they did certain
• 1:19:48
  things, and fourth Wall has been really ideal in terms of how they've been
• 1:19:53
  really responsive to everything, even open to suggestion if you suggest certain things.
• 1:19:58
  And as well for us it was merch because you can basically they deal at
• 1:20:01
  the shipping and stuff like that, so we could make things. They'll deal
• 1:20:04
  with the ship in if you don't need to print loads in one time,
• 1:20:08
  the print individual for individual orders. But they've been great for what we've needed.
• 1:20:13
  And yeah, it's been kind of seamless going from Patreon to there.
• 1:20:17
  Patreon has just found quite buggy with certain elements. Yeah, really glitchy.
• 1:20:21
  Every month there were some just some strange things happening. But we've not had
• 1:20:25
  that issue since going to Fourth Form and we have more control and people get
• 1:20:29
  way more value for their money now, So the feedback has been pretty pretty
• 1:20:33
  good. It's been a pretty seamless What has been about a year and a
• 1:20:35
  half two years now that we ditch Patreon, I think so, Yeah,
• 1:20:39
  did you find it was subscribe as drop off or was a transition Today you're
• 1:20:42
  just jump ship all of them at the same time. When you when you
• 1:20:45
  when you move platforms. We've done the video. We did a video saying
• 1:20:48
  basically, we're moving website and then we still nowadays even get the old person
• 1:20:55
  signent to patroon, but who we guess is watching a really old episode of
• 1:20:58
  US and they're seeing us advertising pay, which is a bit crap, but
• 1:21:00
  we do say still the first video they can see is we've moved over.
• 1:21:04
  So yeah, people stayed. Kind of think people just forget about when they
• 1:21:06
  subscribe to a Patreon. They said they stayed there for ages and it was
• 1:21:10
  twindling down, but the numbers picked up kind of the switcher rouge over to
• 1:21:13
  the other side. It wasn't too long to hit kind of where we're out
• 1:21:15
  on Patreon, but they had the numbers slowly went away. Patron's kind of
• 1:21:19
  just been a little like, I don't know, a little pot of people
• 1:21:23
  that slowly just dwindled. But yeah, it's been been fairly seamless. Is
• 1:21:28
  there anything exciting coming up? Say? Exciting and it's crime, but the
• 1:21:30
  anything big stories coming up in the next season that we should tease here,
• 1:21:34
  Oh we have where when is this likely to go out? When would you
• 1:21:39
  like it to go out? Whenever? Whenever's good for you. So our
• 1:21:45
  our next episode is nine to eleven, which is for us. Oh wow,
• 1:21:49
  it's a bit heavy, big case. I'm assuming you haven't announced that
• 1:21:53
  yet, so I'll wait till you've announced it before we put this. Yeah,
• 1:21:57
  so we're we'll be announcing that. What when we be announcing that time?
• 1:22:01
  Early April? Now, it'll be next Friday. Yeah, so Friday,
• 1:22:06
  Yeah, not too far away. Next. That's just we've frowned as
• 1:22:13
  well, Like we our episodes tend to fall randomly in line with either twenty
• 1:22:15
  five anniversary or whatever when we've been doing them, and we originally were doing
• 1:22:19
  series nine, episode twelve, it's going to be nine to eleven, and
• 1:22:24
  we thought, let's just see season nine, episode eleven as nine to eleven
• 1:22:27
  because that makes a lot of sense. It's just fallen that way. Yeah,
• 1:22:30
  I feel like nine eleven is something you could do an entire season on.
• 1:22:32
  There's just so many stories there. Oh yeah, that's that's a really
• 1:22:35
  tricky thing. When we get a giant case that other podcasts have done,
• 1:22:40
  Yeah, the whole series on. There are cases we've covered that literally podcasts
• 1:22:44
  have been made about that case in particular that have multiple series regarding so yeah,
• 1:22:49
  it's quite daunting when we have to condense certain cases. So nine to
• 1:22:54
  eleven we're going to lean in towards the end a bit more to the conspiracies
• 1:22:58
  and exploring not that necessarily we buy into them, but we feel that that
• 1:23:02
  there'll be some good conversations there. We'll go through the timeline of events in
• 1:23:05
  the background, but there's so much you could add to that in terms of
• 1:23:10
  the aftermath, the impact it had on the world. So that's going to
• 1:23:14
  be really hard to kind of condense what could be several hours into you know,
• 1:23:16
  an hour and a half. I buy into the conspiracies a bit.
• 1:23:19
  I feel like you kind of have to sometimes when you do in a true
• 1:23:21
  crime, right, you have to at least be open minded. Oh yeah,
• 1:23:26
  completely, Yeah, my mind is open on it though. Oh really,
• 1:23:29
  Okay, that sounds like a little brag. Well, producer Dan as
• 1:23:33
  Well is coming into this as a former conspiracy theorist. Warmers he smoked he
• 1:23:42
  smoked weed once once, the one time it really really got him. But
• 1:23:49
  he's yeah, he's gone like on the full journey of Yeah, no,
• 1:23:53
  the structure should not have melted away like that, and it shouldn't happen like
• 1:23:57
  this, The Devil's Faces in the Clouds, Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
• 1:24:01
  so we're going to explore his journey as well. But yeah, we've got
• 1:24:05
  a bunch of big episodes, and yeah, we kind of mix it up
• 1:24:09
  a little bit in terms of disaster. It's all quite gloomy stuff. Disasters,
• 1:24:13
  kidnappings, mysteries. What other kind of out there ones have we done
• 1:24:17
  Tom that are a bit different Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, Yeah, which
• 1:24:21
  that No, he did one on Michael Jackson well yeah, yeah, and
• 1:24:25
  that's actually probably the one that's caused the most controversy because they're still obviously a
• 1:24:30
  great deal of his fans that are very passionate. We tried to be very
• 1:24:32
  impartial down the line with it. This is what people believe on the guilty
• 1:24:38
  party, this is what people believe on the innocent party, and this is
• 1:24:40
  you know, kind of what people believe in the middle, and it still
• 1:24:43
  upset a lot of people that are huge fans of him. Yeah. I
• 1:24:45
  find also when we do when we do anything on an in cell, then
• 1:24:49
  the in cells come for us a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:24:53
  that's always fun. I love making people piercing people are for the right
• 1:24:59
  reasons. Is that as I put it. Yeah, but we just did
• 1:25:00
  our review revisit of Stark Raving Dad, the episode that they took down featuring
• 1:25:04
  Michael Jackson of the Simpsons, and I never realized until I did the research
• 1:25:09
  for the episode. They didn't just take it down because of docco Al Jean.
• 1:25:13
  The show runner took it down because he thought that Michael Jackson was using
• 1:25:16
  the episode to groom children, so he wanted to guest star and thought he
• 1:25:20
  approached them so you can go on this show that kids watch, so that
• 1:25:24
  he can get them to his ranch and showed them the episode and groomed them
• 1:25:27
  with it. I thought, I've never seen it that way before, but
• 1:25:30
  now I can't unsee it. Yeah, yeah, that's I had Lisa,
• 1:25:34
  It's your birthday in my head earlier, but now I feel bad about that.
• 1:25:38
  Yeah that's dirty, right, Yeah yeah, but yeah, it's a
• 1:25:43
  great episode. So you check that out on the feet as well. But
• 1:25:45
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