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Joe Rogan Experience _2238 - John McPhee(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you, brother.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, how are you, man?
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  Speaker 1: Great, great. It was nice to meet you at F1,
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  Speaker 1: and I really loved your episode of Sean Ryan. I
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  Speaker 1: fucking love that dude. Thanks, man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Sean is.
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  Speaker 1: He's the man. He's awesome. I love Sean. I'm so
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  Speaker 1: glad there's guys like him doing this, that there's more
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  Speaker 1: people like him that are like... Finding new ways to like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, media is so wide open now. And it's
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  Speaker 1: not you don't have to get hired by a television
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  Speaker 1: station anymore. You can just start your own shit. And
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  Speaker 1: Sean's show is fucking great. Yeah, he's great.
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  Speaker 3: Sean's I love him as a person.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love him, too. He's great. He's an awesome dude.
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  Speaker 1: And I loved you on that show. But God damn, man,
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  Speaker 1: that show was crazy. Like, your childhood was so nuts, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Hearing about you living in a brothel when you were
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  Speaker 1: 12 years old. Yeah, me and my brother. Fuck, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Your whole story was so nuts, man. I was listening
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  Speaker 1: to it in the sauna this morning, and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my God. So I'm there cooking, and 195 degrees, listening
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  Speaker 1: to you struggle. I was in there for half an hour,
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  Speaker 1: which I usually do 20 minutes, but I kept going.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, his life was so fucked up. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I shouldn't bail right now. I should keep listening.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, but I'm not the only one. You
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean? I feel like where I was
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  Speaker 3: in the Army is full of guys just like that.
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  Speaker 1: 100%. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. And I think in some, well,
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  Speaker 1: fighters as well. You know, a lot of fighters I know,
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  Speaker 1: like Sean Strickland, a lot of guys I know had
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  Speaker 1: fucked up childhoods. I think it gives you an extra gear.
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  Speaker 1: I think when you can get through a childhood like that,
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  Speaker 1: you got an extra place that you can go to. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That other dudes can't go to. And in your line
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  Speaker 1: of work, that comes in very handy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it works like this. I never heard
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  Speaker 3: it as an extra gear, but here's the way I
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  Speaker 3: always equated it. You know you're going to get a beating.
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  Speaker 3: And it's coming at five o'clock, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 3: after dinner, they're going to be hammered. And this is
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  Speaker 3: another argument and fight and it's a pattern. Right. And
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  Speaker 3: you know, this as a kid. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And what happens is you got.
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  Speaker 3: To take that beating and then like, put your church
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  Speaker 3: clothes on.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to church. You know what I mean? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And the truth is, is like a mom. Uh, I
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  Speaker 3: think my, my brother more than me, but, uh, I
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  Speaker 3: think my mom actually had him convinced that we were
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  Speaker 3: super bad kids and like, You know, we were, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, a couple years ago, I was like, you know, like,
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  Speaker 3: you ever met an actual bad, like, four or six
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  Speaker 3: or eight-year-old?
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  Speaker 1: No. It's how they're raised.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: It's all in how they're raised.
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  Speaker 3: And then it was kind of like, I think it
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  Speaker 3: was an eye-opener for him, but, like, it was always
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  Speaker 3: our fault.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. You can convince kids of almost anything.
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  Speaker 1: You can convince them that it's their fault. You can
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  Speaker 1: convince them that they're bad kids, and then they feel
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  Speaker 1: bad for the rest of their fucking life. They feel
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  Speaker 1: like a piece of shit. There's a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: out there that didn't do anything wrong. They're just raised
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  Speaker 1: by shitheads. And for their whole life, they feel like garbage.
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  Speaker 1: And they don't know why. It's so hard to snap
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  Speaker 1: out of that too. And it takes something for you
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  Speaker 1: to do that makes you feel valuable and worthwhile. You
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  Speaker 1: have to kind of like relearn who you are as
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  Speaker 1: a person. And some people never do. And then they,
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  Speaker 1: you know, find meth or heroin or something that takes
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  Speaker 1: the edge away. They can just exist.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'll tell you that was the Army for me.
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  Speaker 3: Like the first time I ever felt like I fit
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  Speaker 3: in or I was with people like me was when
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  Speaker 3: I was in Ranger Battalion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think fighting is the same way. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of those guys, the only time they ever feel normal
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  Speaker 1: is when they're in a gym with a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: other savages. It's like guys who want to do that
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  Speaker 1: for a living, generally something fucking terribly wrong happened when
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  Speaker 1: you were young. That put this anger, this monster inside
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  Speaker 1: of you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I tell you, I tell people all the time,
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  Speaker 3: jujitsu is my sanity.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Jujitsu is meditation, man. Because if you are doing jujitsu,
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  Speaker 1: you can't be thinking about anything else. Right. So it
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  Speaker 1: cleans your mind up. You know, we were talking about
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  Speaker 1: bow hunting. Yeah. I think that's the same thing. I
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  Speaker 1: think in a different way. It's just when you're doing that,
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  Speaker 1: it's so difficult. You can't think about anything else. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I love when I'm. I don't even care if I
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  Speaker 3: get or see an elk today, the places I go
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  Speaker 3: to get these elk, I could just sit there all
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  Speaker 3: day anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? The fact that like one
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  Speaker 3: of these majestic beasts is going to walk 20 yards
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  Speaker 3: from me, fucking bonus. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like I just, you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: Like, and I feel the same about jujitsu, you know, like, uh, I,
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  Speaker 3: I always like in jujitsu when someone does like what
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  Speaker 3: you call high level jujitsu to me as it's happening, like, couldn't,
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  Speaker 3: I don't care if you're smashing my fucking face. That
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  Speaker 3: was amazing. Are you kidding me? Like, let's take a
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  Speaker 3: moment here.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing that someone can do that. Yeah. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I remember when I was first starting jujitsu, I was
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  Speaker 1: like 30 years old and I thought I was a badass.
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  Speaker 1: I had kickboxed. I'd won a bunch of Taekwondo tournaments.
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  Speaker 1: I thought I knew how to fight. And I remember
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  Speaker 1: one day when I was a white belt, this purple
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  Speaker 1: belt just Raped me. I mean he was my size.
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  Speaker 1: This was what drove me crazy He wasn't bigger than
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  Speaker 1: me and he just destroyed me just destroyed just did
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  Speaker 1: whatever he wanted triangled me armbarred We choked me and
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  Speaker 1: I remember walking out of there going. I can't first
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  Speaker 1: of all what a like Shift of like who you
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  Speaker 1: are in the world knowing that someone can just do
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  Speaker 1: that to you not a bigger guy like someone your
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  Speaker 1: size can just you're helpless and And then I remember thinking,
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  Speaker 1: I got to get good at this. Like that, having
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  Speaker 1: that as a skill, that's like one of the greatest
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  Speaker 1: things you could ever have. Because that's what martial arts
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to be when we were kids, like that
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  Speaker 1: the smaller person could beat the larger person just with technique. Correct.
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  Speaker 1: Until Horace Gracie came along, you never really saw that.
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  Speaker 1: The bigger guys always won. And then Hoist Gracie all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden is killing people from his back. And
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  Speaker 1: we're like, what is going on? Yeah. This is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: He's losing.
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  Speaker 3: He's not losing.
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  Speaker 1: All of a sudden he's like, he's strangling some guy
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  Speaker 1: with his legs. We're like, what the fuck is this? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I agree. I agree.
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  Speaker 3: I tell you, I met Hoist like we, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the early days we'd bring Hoist and Horian was
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  Speaker 3: actually the first Gracie I met before Hoist.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But we'd bring Hoist in and like watching these guys, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we'd get like 60 guys up on the
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  Speaker 3: mat and this is hard to do. And this is
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  Speaker 3: a lot of guys because it's hoist, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: he would run.
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  Speaker 1: Through every dude. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Every dude. And it was like, not like, not like
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  Speaker 3: it was a close match. It was like, whatever dude
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  Speaker 3: from the defo stepped in front of him was the
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  Speaker 3: 12 year old child against the fucking an adult. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Like he just fucking handled everybody. And I remember one
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  Speaker 3: of those times, He just fucking, I did something and
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  Speaker 3: he cinched down on me like a spider and I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't fucking move. And he goes, yes, I did not
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  Speaker 3: think of this. This is a good move. And I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I don't even know what the fuck I'm doing.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't even a white belt yet. He was just
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  Speaker 3: fucking me up, you know? But I knew, like, right
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  Speaker 3: then and there, I was fucking helpless.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird feeling.
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  Speaker 3: And, like, yo, unacceptable. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Unacceptable. Yeah, right? Unacceptable. That's the right word, yeah. Like,
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  Speaker 1: you got to learn this. You got to know some
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  Speaker 1: of it. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: And even back then, like, we would all tell Hoyce,
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  Speaker 3: You know, because we were more Muay Thai. We would
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  Speaker 3: train a lot of Muay Thai, boxing, right, wrestling, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of wrestling, you know, before the Jits. And, like,
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  Speaker 3: we would tell Hoist back then, as soon as you
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  Speaker 3: learn to punch, you are super dangerous, which is, I think,
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  Speaker 3: where it is now.
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  Speaker 1: new customers only. Yeah. Well, I think wrestling is kind
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  Speaker 1: of there's like so many elite wrestlers now that have
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  Speaker 1: learned submissions and that extra skill of being able to
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  Speaker 1: throw bodies around is another level. I agree. Because wrestlers
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  Speaker 1: can learn jiu-jitsu pretty easy. An elite wrestler, you take
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  Speaker 1: a guy like a Bo Nickel or a Daniel Cormier,
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  Speaker 1: teach him jiu-jitsu. Hamza Chemaev is the best example of that.
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  Speaker 1: You teach a guy like that submissions, he already knows
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  Speaker 1: how to ragdoll people. So he has this ability to
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  Speaker 1: take everybody down. And then on top of that, he's
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  Speaker 1: going to break your neck. Like it's like that extra,
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  Speaker 1: I think wrestling is like the foundation. That's the one thing.
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  Speaker 1: Cause then you can dictate whether the fight goes to
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  Speaker 1: the ground or stays up, you know? And then once
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  Speaker 1: you learn submissions, which is pretty easy for a wrestler
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  Speaker 1: to learn, it's pretty similar.
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  Speaker 3: It's the same sport. I used to wrestle and it's like,
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  Speaker 3: The cradle for the pin versus an arm bar, right?
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  Speaker 1: Sure. In my opinion. D'Arce jokes. All these different things
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  Speaker 1: come from similar positions. But then stand-up. You have to
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  Speaker 1: have stand-up today because I think– I've been talking about
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  Speaker 1: this a lot. I don't think– I think when you
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  Speaker 1: have a fight and it's five rounds, say you have
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  Speaker 1: a fight, if a guy is mounted on top of
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  Speaker 1: a guy at the end of the first round, I
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  Speaker 1: think the second round should start with that guy mounted
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  Speaker 1: on top of you. I don't think they should start
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  Speaker 1: standing up because it doesn't make any sense. Like you
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  Speaker 1: didn't earn that stand up. That guy took you down.
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  Speaker 1: He got on top of you. He's mounted on you.
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  Speaker 1: You're about to get fucked up. And then all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden you have a reprieve from the governor because
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  Speaker 1: the round is over. And now you're standing up again.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're a striker, that's your world. But you
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  Speaker 1: didn't earn that position. It's one fight. It's not five fights.
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  Speaker 1: It's one fight. So why should you have a beginning
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  Speaker 1: of every round where you're standing up? Yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that. If I could change the rules,
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  Speaker 1: that's the first rule that I would change. I would
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  Speaker 1: say whatever position you were in at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the round, that's where you start.
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  Speaker 3: I completely agree with that. And I always feel like
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  Speaker 3: that it just fucks shit up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? And then, you know, this
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  Speaker 3: doing jujitsu is like seconds matter. And this fight could
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  Speaker 3: turn around in seconds. but those seconds can happen if
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  Speaker 3: we stop this early.
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  Speaker 1: A hundred percent. Yeah, I agree with that. Well, the
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  Speaker 1: early days were wild, right? Because there was no time limit.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I watched.
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  Speaker 1: The early days is my heyday. Like I could not
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  Speaker 1: get enough.
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  Speaker 3: I was, you know, a fight dummy, uh, for hoist for, uh,
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  Speaker 3: soccer Rob, uh, uh, who else?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, always. So, okay.
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you a quick story about hoist. He, uh,
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  Speaker 3: he comes out, we're doing jets with him. And, uh,
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  Speaker 3: I'm a new guy, so I'm like, hey, you.
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  Speaker 1: Could share my wall locker, right?
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  Speaker 3: And you got a wall locker and you got like
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  Speaker 3: your towel because the shower's down the hallway. You know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean? Like I have my clothes, right? And
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  Speaker 3: then so Hoist put his family pictures and I didn't
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  Speaker 3: notice this, but they slowly did this. Him and my
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  Speaker 3: team re-tagged everything with like my last name and team
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  Speaker 3: numbers with Hoist. right? So they re-tagged all my gear
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  Speaker 3: as Hoist, right? They, uh, the Hoist put his kids'
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  Speaker 3: pictures up over mine, right? And one day I'm in the,
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  Speaker 3: I'm in my locker, like, is this my locker? Like,
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  Speaker 3: what the fuck? What the fuck is going on? And
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, whose kids are these? Like, and then, uh,
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  Speaker 3: Hoist is like, you know, yes, you like my kids?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, those are your kids? Like, no,
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  Speaker 3: that's cool, right? Like years later, I'm in Iraq and
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I got to go for like one of
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  Speaker 3: these surges in the Fallujah with another squadron. And like
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  Speaker 3: their ops are major calling me by name. And it's like,
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  Speaker 3: I've been in Iraq like 30 seconds. These guys are
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  Speaker 3: calling me by name. Like, what the fuck, you know?
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  Speaker 3: And then he was like, we're getting your stuff. It's
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  Speaker 3: on a, it's on a helicopter. You need to get
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  Speaker 3: on this little bird. We're leaving like 20 minutes. And
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  Speaker 3: literally I got on a little bird. They bring my
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  Speaker 3: kid over. I get my shit on, right? And they're like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: whose shit is it?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Royce? Is there a Royce? Royce? You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean?
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  Speaker 3: And then, like, my bag is fucking still tagged with
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  Speaker 3: Royce's name.
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  Speaker 1: That's hilarious. That's hilarious. So you started training martial arts
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  Speaker 1: when you were in the military?
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  Speaker 3: In the unit, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In the unit. So did they have, like, was it, like,
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  Speaker 1: technical training? Did they teach you? Did they have, like,
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  Speaker 1: real instructors? Yeah. How does it work? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, uh, in training, when you kind of make it
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  Speaker 3: to the unit, there's a hand to hand program. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of the hand to hand program is like traditionally,
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  Speaker 3: like you got to cuff people, you know what I mean? Like,
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  Speaker 3: which is all Japanese wrist locks, which is.
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  Speaker 1: A foundation for a lot of shit.
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  Speaker 3: Right. But, uh, you know, you learn that stuff, like how,
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  Speaker 3: if you have a weapon, how to like approach somebody,
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  Speaker 3: if they grab your weapon, what to do. So it
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  Speaker 3: was all like a weapon focused, like more like self-defense, uh,
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  Speaker 3: But I think back then in my day, right, in
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  Speaker 3: the 90s, it was still, bro, come at me like this.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And you're like, why the
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  Speaker 1: fuck would I stand like this ever? Like, what the
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  Speaker 1: fuck was I doing that got me here? You know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Like, so it was always some back then there was
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  Speaker 3: a lot of hocus pocus. So we kind of had
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: our own training program. And then as my years, the
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: training program got better because we started getting hoist. We
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: started ground fighting, you know. I think the premise for
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: everything they taught in my day when I was a
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: student was like, you know, weapons retention, Japanese wrist lock
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: to get someone cuffed, you know, two-man cuffing procedures, searching,
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: and then like how to defend yourself if someone grabbed
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: your weapon or if you went to the ground, right?
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Right, which is all stuff you have to know.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: But there wasn't a lot of like just one-on-one. No, no.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you're in the gym.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: They roll out the wrestling mat. And it's like, okay,
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: come at the guy like with your rifle. You know,
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: a bunch of fucking white belts basically like out there
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: fucking around basically.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Was it like– was there a system, like a training system? Yeah, yeah.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: There was a system back then. And the system was
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: really I think kind of four things without– uh, really
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: knowing what they did back then. I went through the training,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: but I don't really know what the hand, the hand
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: was back then until later when I was like in
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: the hand-to-hand program or fighting with guys, you know what
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: I mean? But, um, I would say this back then,
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: I'd say it was wrestling. It was, uh, Muay Thai, right?
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: It was, uh, a little bit of Japanese wrist locks.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: and some Filipino martial arts.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, like Kali? Kali, yeah.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: We had guys that would do the sticks. I know
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: a little bit of the sticks. You know, like, first
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: time I got smacked 37 fucking times around the head
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: was another guy with his sticks. It was like, what
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: the fuck was that? Like, how do these sticks move
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: so fucking fast?
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Dudes are good with that. They're very impressive. Yeah, super impressive.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: So I think that was really the foundation. And, you know,
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: maybe like some, I don't know, like, Dirty boxing, I
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: would kind of imagine.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Clinching.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, clinching, punching, stuff like that.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: How did the Filipinos develop that stick fighting? Like, where
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: did that come from? Oh, man. Weird that, like, one
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: culture is known for their stick fighting. Yeah. Kind of odd, right?
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: But I love all that, the stick fighting. What do
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: they call it? Pontukin or whatever. The dirty boxing they do. Like,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: all very... make your opponent off balance at the same
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: time you can strike. Or if they are trying to
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: strike you, knock them off balance.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Stuff like that. I'm just... I've always been so fascinated
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: how different cultures have a completely different approach to fighting.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Like the ties... figured out the best way to fight stand-up.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Kick the shit out of the legs.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Fucking kick his leg.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Elbow the fuck out of people in the clinch. Plung, knees,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: knees to the body, knees to the face. They figured
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: out striking in a way that nobody else had. It's
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: weird that they did it.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: And I think it's.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Just because of the competition all the time and the betting.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Because they were fighting so often and they had so
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: much money on the line for fighting that That they
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: developed a very pragmatic way of fighting. Because they were
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: fighting all the time. Yeah. As opposed to like karate
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: or any of these other things. I don't think they
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: were really fighting as much. Well, I mean, think about America.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Like prior to Mike Tyson, boxing was kind of like Americans.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: If they would have seen like Hicks and Gracie, you know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: if Hicks and Gracie would have been popular in like
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: the 70s or 60s, people would have been like.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Well, that's not civilized fighting. You know what I mean? Right, right. Like,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: get your dukes up.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: This has got to be fair.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Americans have a very fair sense of what fighting should be. Like,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Americans hate, like, dirty fighting. But, you know, all the
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Muay Thai and Kali and all that, that was all seen.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: You know, those guys would come from Asia, fight around
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: the states here, fucking kick everyone's ass. And people still
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: weren't attracted to it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see, there's one fight that's like one
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: of the most important fights in kickboxing where Rick Rufus,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: who is like the king of American style kickboxing, like
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: above the waist kickboxing, fought this Thai guy. I forget how,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I can't pronounce the guy's name correctly, so I don't
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: want to butcher it. But this, and Rick Rufus was
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: fucking him up in the beginning. He dropped him. He
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: had him in real trouble. Rick Rufus was really good.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: But this dude just kept chopping at the legs, chopping
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: at the legs. And by the end of the fight,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Rick's in a heap on the ground. And his own brother,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Duke Rufus, who became a world Muay Thai champion himself
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: later and became one of the best trainers in MMA.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: So this is the fight. What happened? I'll show you
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: the name. Oh, that's his name? Good luck saying that one.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: But, oh, this is not. This is a different. This
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: is like a compilation of a bunch of different people fighting.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: That's not. This is it, the fight that changed kickboxing.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: So this fight, well, this isn't it. This is a
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: bunch of other shit. Good. Go into the fight itself.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: That's fucking Chuck Norris. I've seen Chuck in there.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Chuck was legit. Chuck was very legit. So this is
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: the fight. So in the beginning, Rick Rufus, who's like
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: this above the weight kicks, he drops him with the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: left hand. Rick was really fucking good, man. He was
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: really good, but they just didn't know anything about the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: leg kicks. And after the fight, like his brother Duke
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: was like, well, I don't think there's any skill involved
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: in kicking the legs and And he was saying that, look,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: he drops him again. So he dropped him two times.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Looked like Rick is fucking him up. But this Thai guy,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: he's probably had 200 fights. And he just keeps kicking
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: at the legs. And after a while, Rick's legs are
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: just dead. I mean, the Thai guy is getting lit up.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: But Rick became an unbelievable leg kicker himself after this.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: But no one knew. They just didn't know. So as
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the fight goes on, and this is like a huge
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: challenge match. You see he drops him with this leg kick.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: After a while, Rick just can't move anymore. And this dude.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: He ain't even running away well.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: No, his legs are dead right now. And he's just getting,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: every time this tie is kicking him, he can barely walk.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And at the end of the fight, he winds up
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: in a heap. Because he just doesn't know. You know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: he doesn't know yet. And he's getting dumped, too. Like,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: look at these fucking low kicks. Devastating low kicks. And
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: at the end of the fight, he's just in a
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: heap on the ground.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, his kick had no power there.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, like, Rick was really fucking good
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: back in the day. So when you, that didn't show
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the end of the fight. But at the end of
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the fight, he just, he brutalized him with just low kicks.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: The Thais had figured something out that nobody had figured out.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of shocking. That this one area of
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the world, like this one small island, that they figured
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: it out.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Kind of crazy. Love it. Yeah. I love it too.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: It's just, and then Brazilian jiu-jitsu, right? Yeah.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Until, you know, Maeda comes to Brazil in like the
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: 1930s or some shit. Whenever that was. Whenever that was.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: And then they go, the Brazilians are like, huh, I
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: think we can fix this.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: And they start like, you know, because Elio was a
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: small guy and Helio is like going, well, what about
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: if we just did it this way? Fought with leverage
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: and just instead of using strength, we use technique and
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: changed everything. Yeah. Changed martial arts forever. Yeah.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I love all of it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I'll tell you that leg kick is my go-to
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: in Iraq and Afghanistan. You know what I mean? Like
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I get about this far from you.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: This is good distance for me.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: You can't grab my weapons, but what I would do
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: is I'd throw the Thai leg kick, but I wouldn't
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: aim for the middle of the thigh. I don't care
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: about your pain. I'd hit your knee and either it's
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: going to break your knee or it's going to knock
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: you out of your little fucking slippers. And then I'd
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: just stand on your neck.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's one of the most effective things you could do.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: You take away someone's base. Yeah. And, you know, that's
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the crazy thing about MMA is now we're learning that
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: kicking in the calf is actually even more effective than
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: kicking in the thigh. Yeah. Because there's no meat there. Yeah.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: It fucking hurts. And you slam a shin into that
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden your foot goes floppy. It
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't work anymore. Your leg's useless. It's crazy. And we've
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: figured that out over the last five or six years,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: which is really nuts. Like Michael Bisping, who was a
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: world champion, told me he went his whole career without
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: ever getting kicked in the calf.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: And that was like four or five years ago he
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: was a world champion and went his entire career without
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: getting kicked in the calf. Nuts. It's nuts. It's like
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: it's constantly changing and evolving. People find something that works
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, what about this? I love that
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it's always evolving too. Well, martial arts have evolved more
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: in the last 30 years than they have in the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: last 30,000 years.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: That's a fact.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: That's a fact. And that's kind of shocking. You think
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: about how long people have been fighting. I don't know.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: You know, I see this, you know, I shoot every day.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I teach people to shoot all over the country all
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: the time. Right. And it's kind of interesting to me that, um,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think it works like that.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Like you would, you would think people would have been
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: doing this right the whole time, but there's like a
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: lot of myth involved and, and it gets watered down
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: over time.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of times, even in shooting. Yeah.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Like what are the myths in shooting?
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, so fucking many, man. Do we got the time?
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I'll fucking shred this shit. The NRA, I go to,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I speak at the NRA shows. Like, The NRA hires me.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: I speak at the NRA show this year. I actually
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: got roofied in fucking Dallas at the NRA show.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: No shit.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Do you know who did it?
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: So is fucking this is crazy. Right.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: But OK, I have an assistant. Right.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know. She's like 30 blonde girl, pretty girl.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Her and her husband are.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Or with me.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: And I'm with like.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: The surefire representative. Like, yo, sorry we got you roofied,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: by the way.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: And then like some other guys, right? And we get
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: done with the show. And we just go have a
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: drink or two. And we're going into like the hotel
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: restaurant to eat a nice steak dinner. You know what
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I mean? So we get around to drinks. And it
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: was like well old fashions is what it was.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Well old fashions.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: And my assistant's like, I sit next to her. She's like,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: I just can't drink anymore. You know what I mean? Like,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: these are horrible old fashions. I just can't drink these anymore.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: And it was like, hey, we'll be at dinner in
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: a minute. They got good booze at the good restaurant.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: We'll get anything you want. Right. So she's like, OK.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: So I was like, here, I'll take it. So I
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: held my cup up and then I kind of held
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: my cup up. The surefire guy, her husband, and she
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: kind of fills us all up equally.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: So somebody was trying to roofie her. Her, right?
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, this is in Dallas, right?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: So, okay.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: So we go to dinner.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: I get this Wagyu burger. It's fucking delicious. I'm kind
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: of buzzed. I'm drinking good whiskey. You know what I mean?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: We're having a good time, right? I love good food, right?
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: So I'm having a great time. Her husband's at the
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: end of the table. And all of a sudden, and
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: this is like within 45 minutes of that drink, which
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I also didn't.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Know, right?
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: So his head hits the table.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Boom.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: And I look at him and I'm like, like, like,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: is he okay and then like uh hey you know
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: how like uh you know them blow up pools where
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: you pull down the side and the water just kind
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: of yeah glides over the top you know his mouth
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: opens and it was just like whoa across the table
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: you know what i mean and i was like i
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: pushed away from the table like so it didn't leak
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: on me and i was like we gotta go you
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: know what i mean it's time to leave you know
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: what i mean i'll.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Get the check by the front door or something you
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: know what i mean but it's We definitely, it's time.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: And you weren't feeling it yet? No, I wasn't. I didn't,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't feel anything yet. Right. So, okay.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: So it was like, I never seen this happen to
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: this guy ever.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: So he didn't, this isn't him. Like, so it's kind
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: of weird. Right. So my assistant's like, Hey, I'll take
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: him up to the room. I was like, okay, well,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: we're going to go have a few more drinks at
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the bar.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: So me and the other guy go to the bar.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: She goes up to her room.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know any of this is happening, but as
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: soon as they get to the room, the head of
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: security's knocking on the door. So my assistant answers.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: And then I guess the guy was like, is, is
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: there a guy that threw up in the restaurant here?
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: And she's like, he's in the bathtub naked right now. Like,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: and then the head of security, like, Hey, we watched
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: the tapes, ton of info comes out. Right.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: So I don't know who did it. I think so.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: But like, uh, and then did it tell you? No, no, no.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: They, they talked to my assistant and then her husband.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Like, so, uh, I go down to the bar, right?
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: I put my credit card on the bar and like,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I fucking party till all hours of the night.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Yo, what did I learn?
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: If you roofie me, like you're going to wait six
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: hours to get that booty. Cause once you give me drugs,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: I want to party, baby.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Like, so I'm out. Like, I don't know what the
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: fuck the surefire guy fucking Peters out on me. And
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I'm probably just in the lobby alone. Like it's fucked up.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you know what was in it?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Fuck no. It was just something. It wasn't necessarily roofing all.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: It was probably something.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know what it was. So the next day
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: we check out, right? Show's over.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: We check out.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: So my assistant's knocking on my door, right? And I'm
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: a get up early guy. I do my cardio, you know.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: So I'm normally up early and she's knocking on my door, right?
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: So I answer my door and I'm like thinking, the
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: fuck is she doing here so early, right? Both of
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: her and her husband. And she's like, you know, I'm
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: glad you're okay. And I'm like, uh, what?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: And she's like, what, what? And she looks, she's looking
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: at me. She's like, not you too. And I'm like,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: me too.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: What?
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I'm kind of foggy.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Uh, it was like fucking, it was checkout is after
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: checkout time. I slept till like fucking one in the afternoon.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: The next day I had the worst fucking hangover ever.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Like if that was roofies do the hangover, I understand
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: why people don't do them recreationally.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Like the worst fucking hangover.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: So she's like, did anybody get tested to find out
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: what it is?
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: No, they had to fly home that afternoon. They got
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: me in my sprinter van. I had to go do a.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Class like somewhere else. I was on the fucking road.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: So like, She got me, they drove me to breakfast,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: got me something to eat, kind of sobered me up
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: a little bit, right? And then they went to the airport,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: dropped me off, and I drove somewhere else in Texas.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I was working here.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: And then, you know, the head of security talked to
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: her and her husband, called them a couple days later,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: check on them, make sure they were okay. But long
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: story short is we had a round of drinks that
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: none of us ordered come to our table. And they
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: came to our table from the same waitress that we had. had.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: So somehow we got a round of drinks and we
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: even paid for them. And when I got the bill, like,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know, we had two drinks and we were
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: getting ready to go. And then a third one came
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: and I just figured someone ordered it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: It'll be fine. And then I just paid for it all,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: did not even think of it.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: And so did the security know who roofied you? I
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: think so. And they didn't tell you? I think they
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: told my assistant. And you didn't ask her?
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: No.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't care.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'd want to know. I think it was like
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: a targeted thing where they just fucking rob you.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Oh. You know what I'm saying?
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I don't think, I mean, all right, first and foremost,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I think everyone's trying to burgle booty holes this day
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: and age and you got to keep your safe.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: So there's that, right?
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: But I also think like, I think it was like
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: they know all these people are in for these conventions,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: so they try to drug somebody and just— Rob them.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: You could have just took my— I' d have handed you my wallet.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Fuck it.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: There's not a crime.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: It happened to a buddy of mine recently.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah?
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He met this girl, and they go back to
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: his place, and then he wakes up the next day,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and he's robbed. Stole his Rolex, stole $ 25, 000 in cash
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: from him, but he got tested. And he had— I think
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: it was Xanax. She piled a bunch of Xanax into
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: his drink and he was just out. Didn't know what
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the fuck happened. Came to the club afterwards. He was
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: like all fucked up. Came to the comedy club. He's
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a comedian. Hans Kim. Shout out to Hans. Hilarious guy.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: So he's like something happened. I don't know what happened.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: We're like, hey, man, go to fucking go get tested
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: right now while it's still in your system. So he
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: goes and gets his hair tested, and they found that
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: there was roofies in him. Damn. I didn't even know
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you could be tested. Yeah, you could be tested. Oh, shit.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: But there's like a time period. If you test hair,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: it'll last a little longer. And I think he waited
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: a day so they had to test hair. But within
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: a certain time period, they could test you and find
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: out what it is. And they said, did you take
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: any Xanax? He's like, no. They're like, you have a
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: lot of Xanax in your system. And apparently that's one
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: of the things that they give people to rob them. Dang.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Does it cause a hangover? No.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I'm sure. It's got to. Fuck, if you're going to
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: drug me. Anything that's going to whack you out.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: If you're going to rob me, I just want to
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: say this to the world. If you're going to fucking
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: rob me, give me the non-hangover shit. You're getting my
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: shit anyway.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: What is the non-hangover shit? Fuck, I don't know.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Whatever that shit is. You know more about drugs than me.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: I was in the army my whole life.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think it exists.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Damn it, Joe.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I think it's prescription stuff or GHB. I know a
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: lot of people give people GHB. I've heard of that.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: That just gets you like, you don't know what the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: fuck's going on. I've heard of that. I've heard of
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: people getting roofied. If I was a woman, I'd be
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: fucking terrified to accept a drink from anybody. Fuck. I've
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: talked to so many ladies that have had their alcohol
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: drugged by someone. Women go to bars, they keep their
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: fucking hand over their drink all the time, even when
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: they're turning around and looking away because they just never know.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Some guy just dropped something in there real quick. Next
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: thing you know, you're going home with them. You don't
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: even know where you are.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I had a buddy, he doesn't even drink. Someone convinced
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: him to have a glass of wine, small town North Carolina.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: And the cops pulled him over not far down the road.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: And he was like, I don't know what's going on,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: but I can't feel my hands. You know what I mean? Like,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: and he's like, he's just a regular guy, you know? And, um,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: they brought him back to the station and someone had put,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: I think it was a little bit of fentanyl or
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: some shit in the wine. And like he, he left
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: and he said he felt fine and he was driving.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: He said like, I don't feel right. Even though like he.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Doesn't really, he had one glass of wine. Like he might,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: he doesn't even drink, you know? I don't even know
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: why he had a glass of wine. Someone probably talked
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: him into it. You know what I mean? He probably
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: didn't even finish it, but. He's like, you know, he
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: said he was lucky.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: He felt lucky. There's some fucking non-human people out there.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you, that's one of the things I wanted
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: to talk about today is like, there's fucking real evil
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: in the world. And in Iraq, Afghanistan, you go into
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: these fucked up places where they've been like, I don't know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: fucking raping, beheading people, fucking tribal shit forever.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Forever.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Like there was buildings I didn't even want to fucking
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: go in. Like you'd go and you'd be like, every
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: fucking hair on my body just be standing up.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: And I'd be at the doorway and be like.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: I don't even want to clear this fucking building.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: And I don't know fucking why, but I know there's
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: fucking old evil in this world.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Evil's real. It's fucking real. And if you've never experienced it,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: you can walk around delusional and think, oh, come on.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: It's real.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: You can feel it like, When I'm around real evil shit,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: only two places I felt real evil shit in my
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: life is Gettysburg and fucking in Iraq and Afghanistan.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt that.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Because I felt evil before and it makes.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Me want to throw up. It hurts my stomach. You
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: mean in the area of Gettysburg?
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on the battlefields. My stepfather felt the same thing.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: And he's not woo-woo at all. He's like a real
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: straight-edge guy. Fuck, man. He said it felt so creepy.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: I was almost going to— me and my son were out
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: there ghost hunting, right? And we were both going to
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: throw up. And I didn't tell him, but, like, I
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: had felt that feeling before.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: It's crazy that you said that about Gettysburg.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: My stepdad's never said anything like that before. And he
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: said just the feeling, it was so sad and creepy
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: and you just wanted to get out of there immediately.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Makes me want to throw up, that feeling. I think
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: places have memory. I really believe that.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it's energy and I don't think it
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: can be created or fucking, you talk to science guys, right?
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Energy don't go away, right?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I think you just don't see it and you
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: can't measure it, so you assume it's not there. But
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons why when someone
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: gets murdered in a house, they have to tell you
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: about it. Right. They have to because like people they
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: they know like there was JonBenet Ramsey's house when I
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: lived in Boulder. I lived in Boulder for a while.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: We were looking at houses to buy. And there was
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: this one house was like really cheap for the house.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is a nice fucking house. They
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: had changed the name of the street so they could
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: try to sell this house because everybody knew that it
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: was the house that JonBenet Ramsey had been killed in.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: They couldn't fucking sell the house. And we were like, yeah,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: fuck that house. We were looking at the house on
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: like Zillow. We're like, oh, that's a beautiful house. Maybe
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: we should go check out this house. And then we
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: found out. We're like, oh, that's why they can't sell it. Like, oh, man.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Like they changed the name of the street to try
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: to sell this house. It's fucked up. They should have
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: just bulldozed it. They should have bulldozed it and then.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: What do you do about the ground? It's still there.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Would you want to live in a place where they
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: bulldoze the house where a little girl getting killed? Fuck that. Not,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: not even, not even joking about it. I don't want
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: to live there. No, no one wants to live there.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what it, what it is now.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if anybody ever bought it. Yeah.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: I grew up in old houses in the Chicago area.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: And like some of them houses were creepy for no reason.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: And some weren't, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, yeah. Oh,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: there's something, there's something to that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: But, uh, I was, I was in Iraq, and I
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: was in one of them, like, you know, Uday and Kuse, like,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: fucking raped people. Them guys were evil.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: You went to, like, their palace? All of them. That
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: kind of shit? All of them.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Those guys were evil. I carried their bodies off an
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: airplane and had to guard them until they got cleaned
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: up by the morgue and DNA tested.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Whoa. But, uh.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Them fucking guys, them palaces, like they would pick up
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: like fucking 12 year olds off the street. They didn't
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: give a fuck.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: They feed them to dogs.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: The lions. We found them fucking. So Uday had lions
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: and the lions were, it's not funny, but I mean,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: it's kind of humorous, but I think it's funny. The
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: lions were like on the army side, the big army side.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: And they were inside this fence.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Right. And then.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: The lions were like just lazy as fuck. Didn't care
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: about no army guys. And then one day I seen
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: a lady and kids walk by and they're just behind
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: chain link. And them fucking lions went nuts. And I
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: knew like only that.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. They were fucking evil. I have
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: read so many horrible stories about those guys. They would
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: find a woman who was getting married and they would
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: rape her and then feed her to their dogs. Yeah.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Or the fucking carp outside the palaces, you know, them
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: big lakes full of these giant carps that just are
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: going to eat bodies like you read about.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: But, uh, so I was down in one of those
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: one night just cause like I could be, and I
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: had my flashlight always been fascinated by ghost hunting by
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: the way. Uh, so I'm down there by myself just exploring,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And like, fucking door slammed
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: on me.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: I was freaked the fuck out. I'm the only one
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: down there.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like freaked me the fuck out, man.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: And the energy down in those fucking like rape rooms
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: or whatever. I don't know what the fuck you call it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Like they did fucking bad shit there. It's just like,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Like it, it like you ever ride
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: like a roller coaster and it like turns your, turns
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: your stomach.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: That's how it feels to me in them rooms. I
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: don't know what that is, but it makes me almost
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: want to throw up. And the stronger it is, the
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: more I feel like I'm going to throw up.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Those guys were such fucking monsters. It's just so crazy
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: that that story repeats itself over and over again. Like
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the sons of kings that grow up that way are
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: always just super fucking evil because they have unchecked power
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: from the time they're a child. Yeah.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to be honest. If I could clone myself...
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: And I'd had like a mini.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Me right now.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: I would abuse him just to make sure he grows
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: up right. I would raise him right. You know what
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: I mean? Like, uh, I don't, and I, when I
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: say abuse him, I mean like.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Force him to work hard. Yeah. Fucking earn his shit
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: his whole fucking life.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: I mean like, yeah, I had a guy like I
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: had a, I don't know what he was. I was
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: in the Middle East somewhere. And one of the guys
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: asked me, like, are American babies stupid? And I'm like, what?
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: And he's like, are American babies stupid?
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, why? And he's like, well, in America, like.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: There would be a fence at the edge of the
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: cliff so the baby can't go over. In my country, like,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: the baby knows don't go by the cliff. And I'm like,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Like, what the fuck?
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I bet they don't. I bet the babies that don't
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: know go off the cliff and those genes never propagate. Again. Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: That's the most harsh form of natural selection. Darwinism right there.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: The most harsh form of it.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. No fucking, I mean, kids that grow up outside,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: lock key kids, like when I was a kid. Yeah.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: You just left out of the house. Bye. Have fun.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: And you figure out who's the child molester.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: You figure out who's a creep, what's dangerous. Don't go
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: near the train tracks. You can't hear the train until
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: it's too late. Stay away from the drunks. Because you
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: hear about the kid that gets hit. Yeah. At the
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: liquor store. Exactly. Yeah.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I did the same thing.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: You learn about danger. Yeah.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I tell you, I got my first key. I was six.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I fucking lost it like the same day. My mom's
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: yelling at me and she's like, you know, what do
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: you got to say for yourself? I was like, I
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: still remember. It's like one of my oldest memories.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: It's like, I'm six.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And she was just kind of like, yeah, I'm six.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Like I had it one fucking day. Like I never
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: carried a key in my life. Like, of course I'm
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: going to fuck this up.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: And she was like, we can't afford all these keys.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Right.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, I'm fucking six. So we
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: ended up having to hide it somewhere. Because my brother
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: wasn't good at fucking keys either.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: It's fucked up that I don't want that to happen
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: to my kids. My life was nothing like your life.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: But I was definitely let loose in the world. And
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: not really given any guidance. Kind of let loose with
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: no guidance. But that's how you make a person like you.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: A person like you doesn't come from a home... That
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: has like, you know, you're coddled, you're taken care of,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: you're always protected. Yeah. Like the only way you make
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: like a legit beast of a man is that that
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: man has to go through a lot of shit through
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: their life and then they come out on the other
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: end hard. Right. It's the only way.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: You don't, you know, I've never met like a world
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: champion fighter that came from like the happiest of childhoods.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't exist.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: I don't, a lot of, a lot of unit or
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: special forces or ranger guys like, I used to call
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: it the fatherless. You know what I mean? And it
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: works kind of two ways. Either you had a dad,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: but he worked and he came home and he passed
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: out and he woke up and he was gone before
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: you got up. And when you got home, he was
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: asleep on the couch or already out for the night
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: because he fucking works fucking a.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Lot of hours or. You kind of just didn't have
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: a dad. You know what I mean? Right.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: Those people make special forces soldiers. Just like, you know,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: dad issues for a chick or put her on a pole.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Those same issues in a dude puts them in.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Special forces, I think.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: And I'll take the fatherless all day long. Yeah.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: You know? For sure. Well, those are the world champions.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's Mike Tyson, right?
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: He was 13 years old, no family. Yeah. Gets adopted
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: by a guy who's a psychologist who's a hypnotist and
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: is a great boxing coach and teaches him to become
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: this elite fighter. And I kind of think that you
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: don't become that guy unless you're dealing with all sorts
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: of unspeakable tragedy and horrors when you're a child.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Well, you wouldn't have that kind of focus without that.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't have that monster inside of you. That monster
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: has to grow because it needs to be there.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: I would say like, and I don't know what the
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: ratio is, but I would say like one out of
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: every fucking hundred or 300 is like. The fucking high
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: school quarterback who married the fucking prom king.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Very rare. Yeah. Very rare. I think I only knew
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: one of those guys. Yeah. And those guys, I bet
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: if you dig into their childhood, their dad was probably
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: a little abusive. Yeah.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Or their mom.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Or a brother.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Something. There's another thing. Older brothers. It's like you want
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: to find the young brother. The young brother's the beast.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I'm the little brother. That's it. The young brother gets
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: beat up by the older brother and just constantly in
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: battle his whole life. Like, so many fighters, the best
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: fighters have, like, Chris Weidman's got a great story like that.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, think about this.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: If you had to fight your bigger brother off your
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: whole life, you would be good at jitsu. Why?
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Because you understand leverage. You understand patience. Wait for the move.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Take some punishment. Move later. You know the deal, right?
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: You're also accustomed to being in battle all the time. Right, right.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: With your brother. Right. Yeah.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Hickson was a little brother to Holes.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Same thing.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Horian. Yeah, Hickson, he's such a unique guy
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: because he was like the first guy that figured out
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: like that physical strength, yoga, all the gymnastic natural stuff
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: that he did, flexibility. Breathing. Yeah, he was like a
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: physical specimen on top of being super technical.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: So he had like both things. Yeah, he had it all,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I think, way before people knew. Way before.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Like he knew the winning mindset. And how to keep
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: that mental edge with all the other things. And the
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: fighting was just something that he grew up to do, I.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Think, in my opinion. You know what I mean? Yeah,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: he had that samurai mindset.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm telling you, I think he, like, I talk
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: to a lot of people. I know some legendary guys
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: from the Army, right? When he talks, it's like this
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: weird time vortex. You ever talk to him?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've had a couple podcasts with him.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: It's incredible. I went over his house once in 2000,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: and him and his son, and we were watching Coliseum.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: So Coliseum was the last time he fought, when he
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: fought Funaki. And we were watching all the different fights.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: He had a tape of it, and we were watching it.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: And he was breaking down all the things that all
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: these guys were doing wrong. It was such a fascinating education.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: He was like, there's too much space. You start here,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: there's too much space. And he goes, he had this philosophy.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Good accent, by the way.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: He goes, we start at a neutral point. We start
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: at a neutral point. If I get to one, I'm
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: not going back to zero. I'm going one to two
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: to three to checkmate. He goes, I'm not going backwards.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: He goes, these guys, they lose position, they go for here,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: go for there, all this extra space. And he was, like,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: breaking it down while we were watching the fights. It
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: was such an education. Love that. Oh, it was fucking amazing, man.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: It was amazing.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a legend.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. Like, one of the great legends of martial arts.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: You know, if you, like, go into the history of
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: martial arts, Hicks and Gracie will go down as, you know,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: if there's a Mount Rushmore of martial arts legends, him
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: and Hoyce are right up there. Yeah, I agree with that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: And Hoist will tell you like Hickson, he goes, my
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: brother was a hundred times better than me. Yeah.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Well, when Hoist used to come to us, he would
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: tell us straight up, I'm not the family fighter.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Our, our, you know, and I think what he told
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: us back then was like, I don't know, Hickson was
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: pride contracts. UFC was different. Couldn't figure it out. That's
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: why Hoist even fought. Right. I, I thought that was
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: kind of the deal back then, but that was a
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: long time ago.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: There was a bunch of different thoughts on it, you know,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: hoist jokes around. He goes, look how beautiful I am.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: That's why they wanted me. But it was also because
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Hickson was very physically dominant. And the idea was like,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: let's have this guy that doesn't look physically impressive to
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: show jujitsu, to show the power of jujitsu. But if
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: that doesn't work. Then we bring in Hickson. But obviously
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Hoist beat everybody. And then Hickson went over to do
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Japan Valley Tudor in like 94, I think it was.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: I used to love all those. The Valley Tudor's pride.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: I thought that was the best.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, the great, the golden era of martial arts because
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: that's when everybody was learning. Yeah. Like, holy shit, there's
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: so much out there.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I loved every minute of that. And then Fedor Emelianenko
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: comes on the scene and he's just like.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Fedor is my favorite.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: One of the all-time greats. He's another one. I mean,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: if there's an, greatest heavyweight of all time you have
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: to he's got to be in the conversation.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: I feel like back in the day we'd be like
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: we'd be talking about fighting and it'd be like man
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: I wonder if anyone's ever like done this from like
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: the mount yeah Fedor won like six fights like that
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: and then like I wonder if anyone's ever done like
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: something like this and like well Fedor won his last
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: fight just like that and you're just like fucking this
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: guy like In his prime.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: He was a monster. Yeah, I agree. And so stoic.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Like his expression never changed. He gets head kicked. He
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: gets suplexed.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Nothing. It's like no one's home in there. You know
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: what I mean?
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Just didn't register. He was just a machine. Yeah, yeah.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: I loved him.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: And I liked when he... I seen an interview one time.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Remember his brother Alexander?
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: He was like, Alexander is better than me if he
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: just wouldn't party so much.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was an animal. And I was just thinking.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Fucking Fedor saying his brother's better than him.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Well, his brother was bigger
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: and taller and was a nasty striker, man. His brother
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: was a vicious striker. Had good kicks, too. Oh, my God.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: He was fucking good, man. But that was the days where,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: you know, everyone was just kind of figuring out what
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: worked and what didn't work.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: You had Vanderlei, the ax murder.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Oh, man. It was like 11.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: It was also a time where everybody was juicy. The
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: whole organization was like, I had a friend who was
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: going to fight over there and he was 170 pounds.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: And they said, no, we want you to fight at 185.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Go do steroids. Like, go do steroids.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: He's like, what the fuck?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: He's like, they're telling us to do steroids. When Ensign
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: was on the podcast, he told me in the contract,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: it said like in capital letters, we do not test
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: for steroids.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: They're like, go have fun. Come back yoked up.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Come back juicy. Everybody was juicy back then because it
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: was the wild days. It was like the wild west. Right.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: They just wanted the best, most exciting fights possible. I
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: think that's what people want now. Oh, yeah.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: There's a real argument for that.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: I don't think the fans give a fuck about drug testing.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: No. You know, I don't think.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Look, and I think this is for all... Like, the Olympics,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: I get it. But the NFL? Like, seriously?
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Why even fucking.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: What do you want the sport to suck? Like baseball.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: That was the thing when they were doing like Mark
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: McGuire and all that shit and Sammy Sosa. Why are
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: you testing these guys? It's the most exciting thing is
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: to hit a home run. These guys are doing something
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: that makes them better at hitting home runs. Everybody should
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: do that thing. Whatever the fuck that is.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Think about how much more money that bring those organizations.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was this thing back then that it
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: was cheating. But what it really is is science. Like
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: they figure out there's a way where you recover more,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: you get stronger, you get faster. Like, hey, do that, guys.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: And by the way, everybody else is doing it, too.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: They're just like hiding it in some sort of a
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: weird way. You know, they're just masking it and taking
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: weird stuff. And there was, you know, that Balco scandal
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: where they're all taking this stuff called the clear stuff.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: You've never even heard of that. You've never heard of that?
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: No, I haven't heard of that. I had that guy,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Victor Conte, on the podcast who created the clear. And
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: what he– he's a scientist. And what he did is
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: he– Balco Labs, they figured out that when they're testing,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: they're testing for very specific metabolites. So they took steroids
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: and then they changed it slightly so that it didn't
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: show up in the test. And they're giving them the
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: stuff and they would all pass clear. And they were
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: all fucking, just monsters like Barry Bonds. He was a monster.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I met Barry Bonds in 1994. I was on this
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: television show called Hardball. And Barry Bonds was, you know,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: he was still a major league player, a big time player. Famous.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: He's famous. But he was a regular guy. Like, he
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: looked like a regular athlete. And then he started getting juicy.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: And then years later, he gained like 60 pounds and
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: was just fucking gigantic and smashing home runs. That would
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: be good. You should keep doing that, whatever you're doing.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: I think that's all sports. Jump as high as you can.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Take your fucking gear. Jump high. Run far.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Smash each other.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the enhanced games. The enhanced games doing that.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: They're developing this whole protocol right now. And the enhanced
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: game is going to let people do whatever the fuck
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: they want that works. And their idea is we are
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: going to develop the best athletes in every discipline, and
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: then we're going to give them a lot of money.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: And we're going to, like, fuck the Olympics. The Olympics
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: is a giant scam. Yeah. Because the Olympics, the athletes
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: don't make any money. And NBC and all these broadcast
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: networks and the IOC, they're making billions of dollars off
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: the backs of these athletes' hard work. And no one
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: is going to see them. They're going to see the athletes.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, the athletes aren't even compensated. It's a crazy scam.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: It really is because it's not like if no one
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: made any money including the networks, including the IOC, great, great.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: But that's not the case. Someone's making a fucking shit
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: ton of money, but it's not the people that are
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: putting in the hard work. It's the people that are
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: pointing cameras at them. It's the dumbest fucking thing of
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: all time. So the enhanced games is like, Let's throw
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: out the drug testing. Let's encourage people to do whatever
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: the fuck that works and let's give them a lot
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: of money. So like whoever wins, whatever they give them
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: a million dollars and then you'll get like the elite
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: athletes will be like, well, why am I wasting my
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: time competing for free? Maybe I blow out an ACL
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: or herniated disc and my career's over and I don't
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: have shit to show for it. Or I can do
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: steroids and then win and, and have money for the
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: rest of my life.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I want to watch the steroid sports.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: The Enhanced League or whatever it's called. That sounds to
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: me like the NFL is going away.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I know.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: I want to see the mountain hit another mountain.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Let's go. If they told
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: the NFL, let's just say everybody get juicy. Fuck. Those
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: guys are already freaks. They're already doing it. Probably.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I mean, I only imagine.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: But my two cents is like, you're doing it anyway.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Just fucking go with it.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: The way I understand it is they let them know
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: when testing is happening.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Why even waste the fucking money? You know what I mean?
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Like phone it in. Let's just phone that in.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Like, yo, I took that drug test.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Okay, click. Save some money for everybody. The drug test
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: should be multiple choice. Yeah. We'll fill it out. No, nothing. Yeah.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: The drug test should be, we're just kind of curious
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: if you've had any success and we want to know
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: what works so we can recommend better stuff to people.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: But there's this.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Weird thing about protecting the athlete's health. Like, hey, fuckface,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: they're playing football. If you really cared about their health,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: you would tell them don't play football. So true. There's
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: no way you care about their health. There's no fucking way.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't make any sense.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's inherent nature is a danger there. Concussions, knees, shoulders, right?
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, everything gets blown out. How about vaccines? How about
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: you making them get vaccinated and they have fucking heart
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: attacks on the field? Does that make any sense? None.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: You don't care about their health. You're full of shit.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Those guys didn't have to worry for a second about COVID.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: They're elite athletes of the highest order. Do you really
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: think that's something that is... It literally only kills like 0.03%
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: of the people who get it, and those people or
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: most of them have comorbidities. You really think elite athletes
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: of the highest order had to worry about that? Of
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: course they didn't. It's all bullshit. You don't care about them.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Let them get juicy. Yeah, fucking juice it up, boys.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Get that gear. You know what I mean? Hey, let's
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: take those piss cups and turn them into fucking drink
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: cups and serve them some whiskey in the locker room.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Let's get this shit going. And I want more fighting
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: in my sports.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? That's why I like hockey. Yeah,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I love hockey. Hockey's the last sport that allows fistfights
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: normally in the middle of a sport.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: It's the only sport that allows the occasional fistfight.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Which is kind of crazy.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I live in North Carolina and there's like a little
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: local hockey team at Bragg and like I go to
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: a lot of hockey games because it's like, it was
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: like seven bucks for like a long time.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: And they'll fucking blood on the ice on the Thanksgiving day.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: You know, they'll throw like, they'll have like a non-league
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: team come in and it's fucking blood on the ice, man.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: These like the Southern Provisional Hockey League, like.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I love this hockey. It's just wild that that's the
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: only sport where fist fighting is allowed. Yeah. It's kind
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: of crazy because it's grandfathered in. Yeah. Because it's basically
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: bare knuckle boxing in the middle of a sport. Yeah.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Which is real weird. Yeah.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Well, then you got soccer where, like, you know, you
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: rubbed elbows with the guy and he falls over. And
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: you're like, what the fuck? You're faking it. Like, I
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: have children. I know the faker.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Like, what the fuck? Like, I'm a parent. You can't
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: fool me. Well, anybody can see. It's the dumbest thing. Like,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: a hand.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Hits their face. Yeah, they fall on the ground.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: They fall down and they're fucking holding their side. They're
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: holding their chest. It's so dumb. But it's also one
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: of the reasons why it's not really accepted in America.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Because you watch that flopping where like, come on, get up.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: This is so crazy. Yeah, I totally agree. Especially when
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: people watch football. You're watching guys get fucking waylaid by
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: a 300-pound super athlete. They get up and shake it off. Yeah.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: And then they're right back on the field.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy's like adjust his helmet a little bit.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Takes his mouthpiece out.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Go fucking move on.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I just started watching football literally this last year. And,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: you know, when I see guys collide, I've had so
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: many injuries, knee surgeries and shit, and jujitsu injuries. I
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: see guys get hit. I just, like, fucking hold my knees.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I hold my back. I'm like, oh. It's the most
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: brutal shit of all time. A guy who's 290 pounds
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: is running full blast and colliding with you with 100%
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: of his strength.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: It's fucking crazy, man. I used to, when I was 38,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: I was a sergeant major in the Army, and, like,
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know, hand to hand jujitsu kind of got
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: boring for me. So like I was looking for other hobbies.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: I was at the PX and I seen like the
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Fort Bragg rugby team practices like Tuesday at six or something.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: So.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: I just went out there for something to do, man.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: And I'm going to tell you, you think fucking jujitsu
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: fucks people up? Fucking go play fucking rugby. Matter of fact,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: stay the fuck away from rugby. Like, it's fucking brutal.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: No helmets. No nothing, man.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: And like, when I was a kid, I don't know
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: if I can say this, but we played Smear the
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: Queer all the time. Like, I don't know what you
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: call that, but that's what it was just called when
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: we were kids. I'd come home, my shirt would be ripped.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: I'd get another beating because, like, you ripped another shirt.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: These are expensive.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: But it was like, It's my brother's anyway, right? Like,
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: not like he bought me a shirt. But man, it
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: was like crazy. My first practice, like the ball sitting
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: there and one of the coaches is like, grab the
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: ball and run. I just fucking grabbed the ball and
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: just ran every one of these little motherfuckers over.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: And then like guys are like, man, what college you
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: play in? I was like.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: Uh, uh, none. And I never played a rugby a
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: day in my, you know, my first game, you know,
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: was like fucking in my third practice, you know what
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: I mean?
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: But in, in doing jujitsu and fighting people in Iraq
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: every night, like I thought rugby was kind of easy.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: The guy's running at me and I just got to
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: take them down fucking double legs. And then I started
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: getting more tackles than anyone in my coach. You know,
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: they keep stats and be like, you had like 80
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: tackles a game. How do you do that? And it's like,
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: double double double leg takedown single leg maybe a trip
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: yeah you know what i mean and but uh and
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: then like uh one of the times you know one
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: of the coaches was like hey will you teach us
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: how you know how would you how do you normally
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: tackle you get the most tackles and like double single legs.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: So you basically teach them wrestling i just taught wrestling.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Why don't they teach them that? That would seem to
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: be like a good skill.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: I bet the pro level fuckers are doing that shit.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: They have to. Like have to.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, cause think about this. Like, um, I
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: know a lot of linemen, um, do like Cali for
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: hand speed and stuff like that.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Right.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: Cause they got, I got to win the hand fight.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: So I know there's a lot of sports that use
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: a lot of discipline. So I would imagine they would
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: have to be fucking having, you know, wrestling practice or
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: takedown tackle practice.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: I would imagine they're doing same shit as everyone else.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Well, just understanding leverage and how to manipulate a body. Right. Yeah.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Well, there's no pads, right?
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: So, you know, you can't come 30 miles an hour
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: into this tackle. You might have to come in at
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: 10 miles an hour.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because you got no pads. Right.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: You know? Well, that's the argument against pads in football
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: is that these guys, the only reason why they can
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: play the way they are and collide with each other
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: full blast is because they have helmets and pads on. Yeah.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Which is totally true.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: I want thicker helmets and more collisions. Let's go. Come on.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: It would be a wild game if you had American
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: football and no pads. I mean, that's what they used
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: to do way back. They had those little leather. Yeah.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: Like you couldn't pay me.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: To wear one of those. Get the fuck out of
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: here with that. I wonder how many guys died playing that. Uh,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: imagine how many concussions, how many head to head collisions
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: running full blast. And then, you know, if you're, Samoan
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: you're like some big giant dude you're gonna go head
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: to head with guys cause you know you're gonna win
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: it yeah fuck every time so you're just fucking headbutting everybody.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah the army team has a lot of Tongans there's
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: a Fort Bragg Tongans are paratroopers as people I don't
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: know how that works but they are man they all
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: play rugby a buddy of mine was like I was like,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: you know, when did you start playing rugby?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: He was like, I was like three, you know, huge guy.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: Like, I knew I was doing pretty good at rugby
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: when the Tongans were like, they'd pick teams, and all
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: the Tongans would be like, we want Big John. You
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: can have the rest. And I'd be like, yeah, me
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: and the Tongans, we'll get some, right? We'll fucking crush
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: the people.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: But, like, they start playing with, like, a coconut. Jesus.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Imagine holding a coconut and just going down ribs on
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: a coconut. Like.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, why would you play with a coconut?
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: And he was like, well, there was only one rugby
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: ball on the island and the bigger boys had it.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Jesus. Okay.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But yeah, I played rugby for a while and
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: I stopped doing MMA to play rugby. But what I
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: realized is rugby is way more injury prone and dangerous.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: So I kind of went back to jujitsu.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. One-on-one is definitely you can control a lot
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: more of what's going on than a bunch of dudes.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Colliding into each other. Yeah.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: I agree, man.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: It's a hard fucking sport. I know.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: Rugby's awesome.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: It is awesome. It's weird how it never took off
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: in America. It's kind of strange because we love violence.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: You would imagine that rugby would be something that we
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: would have adopted.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: I think the only reason it's not popular is because
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: of the time. It's like soccer. Once it starts, it
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: doesn't stop. Americans want to go take a piss and
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: get another beer and come back, and then they want
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: you to— And you have to have commercials.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the big thing about soccer.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: And the game never stops.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: It's tough to sell commercials. Right. Because you can't stop
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: the game. Right. Whereas football, you have a fucking— you have halftime, bro.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: You got a whole half hour.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: Well, you ever see the apps that just show you
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: the plays of football? A whole game's like 12 minutes
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: of actual work.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 10 minutes.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Whereas soccer, those motherfuckers are running the entire time. 80 minutes,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: let's go, and it doesn't stop. You have to be
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: in insane shape to play soccer. The cardio is just nuts.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: You're basically sprinting for the entire game.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: I never played soccer, and I don't think I would
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: enjoy it.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Well, we went to watch. They have a professional league
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: here in Austin, and these dudes have these fucking quarter
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: horse legs. They have thin upper bodies and these fucking
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: gigantic legs because they're just constantly doing plyometrics. They're just
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: constantly sprinting and going side to side and left and
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: right and fucking crazy cardio. But it's never going to
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: sell in America if you can't have commercials.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's why rugby is not popular also.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. Maybe they just changed
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: the rules a little bit. Right? You know? Okay, give
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: us a little break every seven minutes. Well, it's kind
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: of crazy.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: Here's what we're saying is rugby starts and stops without
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: a time. That's the same thing we want for, you
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: just said, for MMA.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Right? Well, that's the problem with MMA too, right?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: You can't have a no time limit fight because.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: How are you going to get the next fight at
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: midnight or 10 o'clock?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Also, dudes would kind of fight to the death. Like
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: if you get the best of the best today where
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: they're so evenly matched and they're brawling for an hour.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: It could go four hours, five hours.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: And then it would probably end your career. Like at
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: the end of it, you might not ever be the
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: same again. You'd be spent.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Like you got one of those in you.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Right. Because there's a lot of guys, like there's a
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: fight and you could point to that fight and say
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: he was never the same. Tony Ferguson, Justin Gaethje, a
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: lot of people point to that fight. Justin Gaethje battered
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Tony Ferguson so bad. He was undefeated up until that point.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Or maybe he lost a couple of times. But he
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: was the boogeyman. Tony Ferguson was the scariest dude in
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: the sport. And then one bad beating and he was
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: kind of never the same again. Because one bad beating
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: just changes everything. Yeah. He just never really recovered. Yeah.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: Well, once you lose the mental edge, right, like.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: There's a little bit of that, but there's also like
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: a bad beating to the brain. Like he got hit
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: so many times in his head. A bad beating to
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: the brain after a certain, I mean, no matter who
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: you are, if you're sparring and if you're fighting, you're
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: getting hit in the head, period. And so over the
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: course of your career, you're already accumulating a certain amount
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: of abuse. And there's one fight that could break the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: camel's back. Like in boxing, I always point to Meldrick Taylor,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Julio Cesar Chavez. Like, Meldrick Taylor was the fucking man,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: won the gold medal in the Olympics, and Chavez just
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: methodically broke him down and then stopped him in the
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: last round of their fight. Like, literally two seconds to go,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Richard Steele stops the fight. And from then on, he
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: was never the same. It was just he took so
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: much of a beating in that fight that he was
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: never the same again. Yeah.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: I think that happens with soldiers, too. I've seen a
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: lot of guys who are like, we got mortared or
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: rocketed and then— next deployment guy doesn't want to, you
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: So it's a mental thing. Yeah.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: I think there's a, there's a time where everybody says
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: enough's enough, right? Like whether you want to or not.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: And then once you reach that point, like coming back
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: from that point to become that mental champion again, it's
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: a fucking long road.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Is there anything like you as a leader, when you
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: see a guy who's maybe crossed over in that way,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: is there anything that you would do to try to
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: bring them back? Or is there nothing that can be done?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: That's a great question.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: Define bring them back. Define what's wrong with them.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Right. I guess a confidence thing or just being terrified.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Like new fear being introduced. A lot of guys think
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: they're indestructible until they're not. And then all of a
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: sudden now this is a new factor.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I used to teach tandem coaching. jumping and bundle jumping.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: In the military.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if you ever seen my social media,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: but like I'm in the sky flying and there's a
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: huge barrel under me. Uh, I used to teach that.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: And what would happen is if you had a bad jump,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: you know, bundle jump, um, you would have to cut away. And, uh,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: we called it the nightmare. Right. And you got to
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: end the nightmare. And this thing starts spinning you out
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: of control. It'll be so many G's that like you'll
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: pass out. The parachute will open later.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Right. You'll be fine.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Uh, but, We used to tell guys, right, like fucking
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: end that nightmare.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Make sense?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Now, you're the captain of the ship, so a guy
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: would have to end this nightmare however he ended the nightmare, right?
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: And then what would happen is afterwards we'd review the
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: video and I'd have to show a guy, right? And
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: then we'd leave him in the classroom for a minute
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: and we'd tell him, hey, gather your emotions, whatever you
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: need to do, and then get on the next plane.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Get right back on the horse. Get fucking back on
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: that next plane. Yeah. You know what I mean? And, uh,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: guys would do that.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Uh, a lot more seals
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: needed that time than like unit guys. Cause unit guys like, yo,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: I'll fly this motherfucker up your ass. We ain't going
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: to have no problems today, son. You know what I mean?
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Um, I don't know.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: I think the difference is that the unit is always
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: more mature than seals. It's an older culture. It's older guys, uh,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: more experienced guys, more methodical guys, more planned out. Um,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: So like in a lot of times, like, you know,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: younger guys, normally the SEALs, they'll have their jump numbers,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: but they're like their core. They're what makes you, you confidence, dexterity, strength,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: fucking health. It ain't there yet. And they kind of
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: freak out once in a while. Younger guys. It's a
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: maturity thing. I think normally happens to the SEALs. Most
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: unit guys are pretty mature. And have been through so
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: much shit by the time they get to the unit that, like,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: you're probably unshakable by then.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: You see that in fights, too. Like, young, undefeated guys
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: who fight, like, a world champion who's, like, in their 30s.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: And that guy breaks them down. And then you see, like,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: they don't know what to do when things are going sideways.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: And then mentally they fall apart. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: That's when the bad decisions will start. You know what
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: And the reality is you got to snap your fucking
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: self out of that. You got to fucking put your
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: parachute back on and get the fuck back on that airplane.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: I had plenty of those jumps. I've cut away more. Fuck,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: I had a cutaway training for D-Day last year. Fucking
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: put my cutaway. You can see how fucking low I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: am and everything. You know what I mean?
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: And I have procedures. I have another parachute. Like... We're
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: all going to die. Am I going to let it
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: ruin my day kind of thing? Like, let's fucking move on.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: But how did you develop that mentality just over time?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: I think that comes with what I just said is
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: the core of a person. And I think this is
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: what the army is really good at is developing this core, right?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: In this core, in this core, right? How do I
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: develop your confidence? Well, I don't fucking know. I couldn't
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: even define fucking confidence because I went to Chicago public
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: fucking school system.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: But I could tell you this.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: If I taught you to rally race car drive and
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: you got pretty fucking good at it. If I taught
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: you jujitsu, eventually you're pretty fucking good at it. I
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: show you skydiving. Eventually you're pretty fucking good at it.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Why is because every one of these things I showed
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: you world class level and we brought world champions in
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: to show you.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: Right. Eventually.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: You're going to gain confidence. It's the taking your daughter
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: to karate or little kids to jujitsu. They have confidence
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: that other kids don't have, right? That's what you got
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: to build. So it takes a lot of different skills
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: and getting guys good at a lot of different skills
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: to build that fucking unshakable core.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. And it's a
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: matter of When do you introduce them to like extreme adversity?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: Do you build them up slowly? Right.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: And it has to be built slowly.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Right. And then we used to say this like aircraft training. Right.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Let's say you got a breaching airplane. Right.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: And you got to climb a fucking 20 foot ladder
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: because these motherfuckers ain't low to the ground.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: And you're hanging on a ladder and you weigh fucking.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: 280 pounds in your shit, but you're on these fucking
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: ladders with fucking six other guys who all weigh the
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: same as you or more. You got to crack the door,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: get the fuck in this airplane, right? Now, let's just
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: say this is your first time and you crack that
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: door the first time. And as an instructor, I know
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: you're cracking the door. And as soon as you crack
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: that door, I fucking shoot you in the face. You
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: And with a training round, right? How fucking embarrassing, right?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: And then the reality is, yo, you just ruined this
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: motherfucker forever.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: How do you breach an airplane? What's a successful protocol
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: for breaching an airplane?
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: Mechanical or explosive.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: Sometimes we open doors, sometimes we blow doors. It depends.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: So which one you want to know about?
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's go with mechanical. Mechanical.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, most doors have a lever on the outside that
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: can be activated. And most doors, there's a certain way
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: they open, right? My team, I was always kind of
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: like a primary door guy. And then there's a certain
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: way doors open.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: There's latches. So all airplane doors open from the outside.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: So but once you breach it, though, you're in a tube.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: You're in a tube. And everybody knows where the door is. Yes.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: It's a very vulnerable position.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Yes. So what's the protocol for breaching a door when
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: you're in a tube like that?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: So what you have to do is breach as many
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: doors as possible and get as many people in as possible,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: as quick as possible. And everyone goes to positions, right?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: You got cover guys, you got runners, you got searchers.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of shit that needs to go on
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: on these fucking aircraft. Same with a fucking big cruise liner, right?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: So everybody's going to, once the door is open, everyone's
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: going to flood in and kind of like, go to
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: their places you know what i'm saying.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Right so you plan it out you know where you're
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: gonna be yeah and then you're still dealing with the
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: chaos of you're in a tube and there's only one
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: way in yeah and things are coming at you no
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: matter what yeah yeah yeah so there's no clean way
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: to do that not even once.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: Not even once no fuck no man.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: You know what i mean What a crazy fucking task.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: But the back to the point is if a guy
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: cracks that door, any door, let's say it's your first time.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: I'm showing you like, all right, Joe, I'm going to
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: show you some, you know, close quarter battle. I'm going
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: to show you how to clear a door and then
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: just joking around like you're about to go through a
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: door and I shot you in the fucking forehead. You
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: would mentally never want to go through that door again.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: So I have to build you up to where, well,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: the first time you come through the door, I just
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: let you come through the door.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: And then it builds from there.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: And then there's a point where it's like, whoa, this
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: motherfucker's shooting through the crack of the airplane. Wait till
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: I'm in this fucking bitch. I got two pistols on me.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: This motherfucker's going down.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So as your.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: Confidence, your core, that core of a human being, like
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: that core of an operator, right, as that becomes... fucking concrete.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: A guy's just unshakable.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: Like, let's go.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck what this position. I don't care. Like,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: I don't care if I fucking die.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Let's do this, you know? And it's consistent training over
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: and over and over and over and over. Do you
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: think that this is what's missing in the police force?
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Oh man, are you kidding me? First off, I work
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: in a lot of police departments. I love police. I
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: support police all the time. It's a fucking thankless job.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: I'll say that. Yeah.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: But I would say like, think about this, Joe. If
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: you trained police better, right? I work at a lot
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: of police academies. I've helped a lot of police academies.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: They don't fail people anymore. I show them what I do.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: I train them to do what I do. They have
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: great success with it. I would say this in a
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: police academy, let's say it's six.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: Months long, whatever they do.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: I don't fucking know. Probably about four months of that
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: is fucking paperwork. And then, you know, you get a
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: little hand to hand, you get a little driving, you
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: get a little shooting and.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: And then you learn what? Yeah.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: But I'm going to tell you this, as a cop,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: you got the rest of your life to do that paperwork.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: And when you're in training, right, as soon as you
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: like get your first arrest, your training officer is going.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: To be like, don't write it that way. Hold on.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Let me see your paperwork like this. The paperwork could.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: Be OJT and they could spend them time, right, training
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: these guys. And if, no, I'd also say this is
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: if police were trained better, and truly uniform officers are
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: probably the only guys like stopping crime as it happens.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: If we train those guys better, why would we need
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: SWAT teams?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Right. You have SWAT teams through the whole thing. Everyone
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: could be SWAT.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: And if we got 10 and 10 of us come together,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: we're our own SWAT team. We don't, and then we
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: can operate independently. We could operate one or two and like,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: I think police don't do the force multiplier thing. Like,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: each guy is his own fucking bastion of the law.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: Like, I just think they kind of share injuries.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: They don't do hand-to-hand, right? Shooting could be dangerous, right?
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: And then most shooting is, you know, the instructor is
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: God and you are fucking stupid. That's how most training is.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: It's like basic training. And, like, no one learns well
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: like that either.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Right, right. Yeah, I... I'm
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: always shocked when I see fat cops, like really fat cops.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: And I was like, how, how your whole life is
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: your body. Like your whole life is you have to
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: be able to physically defend yourself. You have weapons, you have,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: you know, the law and the uniform and bulletproof vest
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: and all that. But your, your physical body is almost useless.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: I was at a football game the other day and
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: there's this like obese cop, like enormous belly. I was like,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: this is disgusting. It's ridiculous. You've let yourself get to
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: this point where I know you can't even run. You
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: can't last 30 seconds. All someone has to do is
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: grab a hold of your arm that you would use
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: to take your gun and control that arm, get you
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: to the ground and you're fucked. Shit, I just baseball
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: collar the back of their fucking collar, their shirt. Where
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: the fuck are you going? You know what I mean?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: Look. Okay.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: First off, I think also police should have different jobs
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: like the army. So.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, if you were 400 pounds, maybe you're the computer
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: guy at the police force or a desk guy or,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: I don't think everyone needs to be the fittest human
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: being ever. However, if you're on patrol, get the young
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: six-foot kids in there, man.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: They can handle themselves. They're young.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: They're bigger than normal, right? This is why a lot.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: Of troopers, state troopers, used to have like a six-foot, 6'1,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: 6'2 height requirement because a six-foot-two.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Man can generally... handle most people. Right.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: Especially a fit one who's trained. Yeah.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: So I think the fit guys need to be on
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: the force. I think there's room for everybody, but I
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: think with police is you're a police officer or you're
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: a detective and then that's it. But really you're always
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: a cop versus like, well, the army, right?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: There's drone pilots. There's all these army jobs that kick
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: the infantry kids out the door.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: Why don't police kind of organize like that? And that way, like,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: the guys that are going to run people down can run.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: That's what drives me crazy about this whole defund the
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: police horse shit. Like, are you fucking crazy? You should
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: be funding them more. Fucking crime is real. Yeah, it's real.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: Evil's real evil's fucking real yeah.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah to pretend it's not well that just means you
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: haven't experienced it.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah you're living with blinders on yeah yeah i say
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: i agree.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's just bizarre that we expect these people to
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: encounter danger and evil all day long, their whole lives,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: like 25, 30 years. And, you know, you don't, you
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: don't train them properly. You don't fund them properly. And
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: then they get disrespected by the public.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's the worst.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: The worst.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: I think the worst is when like the mayor or
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: the police fucking chief is like not supportive of all
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: of the fucking guys. And it's like, you think the
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: guys have bad intent?
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I get it.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: There might be bad apples or whatever. Everyone's got 10%.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: Say what you want.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: But like. How about Kamala Harris when she was running
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: for president? She was all about defund the police.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know how that sells with anybody in the country.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: It's like 2019, 2020. I mean, it's fucking crazy. It's
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: a crazy thing to say. It really is a crazy
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: thing to say.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if we defunded the police, we'd
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: be Mexico quicker than we thought.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. Right. Because the cartels would just drive over
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: the border.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: That's real. Yeah.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: What do you think about this idea of using special
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: forces guys to fight the cartels? Uh, first and foremost,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: like if you were like, yo, we're going to wipe
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: out a.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: Cartel tonight, I'd have been like, I'll load my frags
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: extra careful.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: Like, let's go. Right.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: But the reality is, is like, uh, I know all
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: my buddies are like, yeah, we'll fuck them up in
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: a night. We'll fucking, you know, you know, Fucking let's
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: back up a fucking second here. The cartels have fucking men.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: They own the ground. They have fucking technicals. They have
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: machine guns. They have fucking everything.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: An army has. Right?
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: And they've had decades to train waiting for this. Number two.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: And number three, our government's fucking compromised. So if you
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: think they ain't going to know you're coming... You know
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: what I mean?
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: I think you're fucking high. Jesus Christ, that's a terrifying thought.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: The government's so compromised, the cartel's going to get the
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: word out before.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: Well, how are we going to... Look, we're not good
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: at being fucking sneaky. We're not the Israelis doing that
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: fucking pager shit. You know what I'm saying? That pager
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: shit was wild. Yo, that needs to be the model
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: for every fucking thing we do in the future.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: No matter what you think about the Israelis, what's going
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: on in Gaza, that pager shit was wild.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: Which tells me America should go back to making its
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: own fucking cell phones and its own... We shouldn't have
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: our fucking comms made overseas at all in any way, shape,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: or form.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: In my opinion. No, I've been saying that forever. We
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: should have our own cell phones. Fuck. And the fact
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: that we're buying so much shit from China. Fuck. Especially
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: after they banned Huawei because they know that Huawei stuff
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: was compromised and they're having third party input and be
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: able to spy on people. It's fucking crazy.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: Well, this is why we got to go back to
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: making America like it used to be. We made our
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: own shit. We use our own shit. We wouldn't have
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: to worry about none of this.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a very strange thing what's happening in this
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: country where China is allowed to buy land that's near
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: military bases. They supply cell phone towers. They put all
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: these different, they sell us all this different shit. And
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: we don't really know. I mean, I don't know how
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: many experts are investigating these fucking cell phone towers. Fucking zero.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: I bet. Fucking zero. Mike Baker was on here and
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: he was telling me about how around military bases like
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: China has installed their equipment. And all these military bases.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Like at Formula One, where we were, my buddy owns
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: the track and they found these Chinese boxes they had
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: attached to the Wi-Fi. So they were just scooping up
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: everybody's data. They called in Homeland Security to have them
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: remove it and investigate it.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: Fucking racetrack.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: A racetrack. But they knew everybody was going to be
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: using this public Wi-Fi. Probably no VPNs, probably no security.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: And these people are getting all their shit siphoned up.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: They're so sophisticated in how they've infiltrated. It's fucking crazy.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: And we just allow it to happen. It's very strange
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: because you can't buy shit in China. If you think
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: you're an American company, you're going to go over to
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: China and operate with autonomy. You're out of your fucking mind. Yeah.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: You can't buy shit.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah. They'll never let an American.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: No, they don't want.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: Hey, Chinese would never buy communication devices from America.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: No. And they certainly would never let America buy farmland
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: right next to their military bases. They'd be like, fuck you.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: We're like, sure, we'll sell it to you. Are you
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: going to pay more? Oh, boy. We'll take your money.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: It's weird. It's weird how goofy we are. I know.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: And then like, well, I think it's this, Joe. I
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: think people don't realize how fucking dangerous the rest of
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: the world is. And how like people are like plotting
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: against us. And it's fucking real out there. The world
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: is a crazy place. I say this like you don't
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: know how fucking safe you got it here and how
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: fucking great we got it here.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: Like people don't know that because they don't never leave here.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: So they're stuck in their own fucking bad attitude of
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: like their own grind or whatever the fuck they do.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: And like, look, I'm telling you, the world is fucking evil.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: People will fucking rape you, kill you. No one gives
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: a fuck. Like protect yourself all the time.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: Well, you've been to parts of the world where you've
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: seen this firsthand. And I think it's one of those
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: things where if you don't see it, you don't believe it. Yeah.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you one of the, I think the biggest
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: thing I saw in Iraq, I think in maybe 2009 ish, uh,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: there was like the most fucking U S soldiers ever
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: been in Iraq, right? Like whatever the numbers are, I
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: don't fucking know.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: But, uh, when Iraq had the most fucking soldiers that
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: has ever had in Iraq is when Iraq was the safest.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Think about it.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? All we had to do
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: was flood, put a fucking tank under every fucking overpass
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: in every fucking neighborhood. There's a machine gun and fucking
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: 50 Cal Humvee, right? Like who's fucking around there everywhere.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: And that's the safest Iraq ever was. I'm telling you,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: we have that here and people don't understand that in general.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: So if you want to defund the police, fuck, man,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: we're fucked.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Like it's a crazy, but. You know, do you know
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: Evan Hafer? Yes. Yeah. Evan was, we were in elk
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: camp and he was explaining some of the shit that
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: he saw when he went from Iraq to Afghanistan. Yeah.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Just how he's like, Afghanistan is so fucked. That you
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: can't even comprehend it until you're there. Yeah. He goes,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: once you're there and you see it and you understand it,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: you become so cynical. You're almost like this culture is
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: like unfixable. And he's like, most people just don't know
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: that a place like that exists. That's so just down
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: to its core. So fucked. And we was talking about
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: how these guys have these boys that they have as
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: their harem.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: The number nine boy.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: That's what the Egyptian Special Forces called him, the number
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: nine boy. He's the boy that gets fucked.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: Why number nine? I don't know.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: That's what the Egyptian Special Forces called him. But every
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: Afghanistan village had a fucking, what do they call it,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: the chogie.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Boy or fucking some shit. Yeah, something like that.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: But basically the 12-year-old that gets raped.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: He was saying these guys have harems and they would
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: parade them down the street to show they have the
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: most boys.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this happened to me on my, so I did
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: a solo mission in Afghanistan, the book Kill Bin Laden.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: You ever hear of it? Yeah. Uh, I brought a
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: hardback for you. Oh, nice. I'll sign it for you
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: if you want. Um, but it's hard to get a hardback.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's like, it's got library shit in it.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: I had to buy it. Cause like people always ask
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: me to sign it. I didn't write the book.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just in it. Um, and, uh, people always ask
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: me for a signature on it.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: Right. So I bought like, I don't know, family or friends,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: someone want one. I bought a, like a lot from
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: a library. They didn't use them no more cause they
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: don't sell the hardbacks no more. But I went out
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: on a mission alone in Afghanistan. I was gone 10 days. First,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: I think first successful mission of the war.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: My opinion. I don't know.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know if there's other missions were more successful
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: than mine, but so I went out alone and then
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: I do the recon. I have the footage I need.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: I have every fucking thing I need to launch a raid. We,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: I'm alone. We stop. I'm in a fucking jingly truck, right?
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: Like I fucking just, I'm in this truck. I hitchhiked
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: basically from Jalalabad into the Tora Bora mountains. I'm in
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: a jingly truck with this fucking driver.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: What's a jingly truck?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: You know, where they like, it's like a fucking, like
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: a six wheel, like dump truck. but like they hang
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: the chains and bells and they paint it like 17
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: different bright colors.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: And they, they, you never seen a jing. Yeah.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: Fucking jingly truck. Cause it fucking jingles, man.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The fuck is that? Yeah.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: So I'm in one of these motherfuckers with this motherfucker, right? Uh,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: he's like a logger. He's, he runs the Valley. He's
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: always in the area. Um, but like, I don't know
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: any of this fucking, I can't even talk to the guy.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: I don't fucking speak shit. You know what I mean?
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Um, and then like, it's fucking dangerous.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: I had to go through checkpoints. I had to act
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: like a retard, uh, to get through a fucking checkpoint.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: What did you do?
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: Man, I was at a fucking checkpoint and the dude
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: was like, there's this fucking, the checkpoints in Afghanistan are
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: fucking sketch. Uh, you know, they got like one piece
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: of yarn across the road. You better fucking stop or
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: you will be shot. They don't give a fuck about you.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: And like, So the car in front of us, I think.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: The fucking, like this dude like stole bread from us.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: a little kid. You know what I mean?
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: Little kid was eating a piece of bread. He just
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: snatched it out of the fucking car, yelled at the people.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: I thought he was going to schwack him because I
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: didn't have anything to give him that he wanted. So
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: I'm in this jingly truck comes next fucking AK in
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: the chest.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: Fuck.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the fuck he's saying.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: But I know if I speak English, I'm dead. So
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: not an option. Um, so, uh, he's like yelling at me. Right.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: And then finally I just figured I'm going to do
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: like volume level 12 and just fucking yell in his face.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: So I just get super close to his face, which
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: he didn't like. And I'm like, no, no, no. And
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: the guy's like, what the book? And then like backed
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: up and then motion like motion like get the fuck
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: through here with ak.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Wow yeah so what you just on the spot.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah another one i had a i picked up like
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: a dirty towel or blanket off the floor and they
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: took that right but what i learned being out alone
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: one of the things i learned is you know you
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: like you watch the movies and like they pull out
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: a wad of cash and they're like uh wink get
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: me across the border there friend you know these motherfuckers
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: just shoot you in the face and take everything you
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: got don't whip that shit out.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: You're going to get murdered.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: They're just going to take it all. I mean, they'll
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: steal bread from a fucking kid. You think they give
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: a fuck about your life?
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: And they just fucking throw you on the side of
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: the road and let you rot. Like they don't even
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: care about the smell. Like, so like, uh, yeah, I
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: had to act like a retard through this one, man.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: They don't give a fuck, man. They don't give a fuck.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: You just figured that out on the spot. On the spot. Yeah.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: So, uh, we get, I get in the truck, we
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: do the recon. I like had a, Literally, I had
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: a cigarette bag. I think it's like Kent or some shit.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: I don't fucking smoke, but like Kent cigarettes. I had
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: a plastic bag with my fucking sat phone. Anyway, I
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: had to get a camera out, get it under my arm,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: and I kind of filmed the house, right?
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: USI's on. And then I had to get the footage back.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: So we get to the end of the valley. It's
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: fucking dark.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: There's no way we can get out of the valley
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: before light. So we stop at this house and the
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: driver's like, you know, motion us in. Right. It's the
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: Muslim right of they can't turn you away.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Right. So we go to this house. We're in the room.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: Bunch of old fucking grumpy men. They don't fucking like
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: me at all. And the driver and the driver, I guess,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: goes there and crashes all the time when he's in
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: the valley. Right. So this is normal for him to
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: be here. And then so in that room, they had
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: like this boy and they fucking drug him into another
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: room and you could hear yelling and shit. And I
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: was just like, what the fuck do you do? I
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: have everything I need to pull off the first successful
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: mission in Afghanistan for the American government.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: Do I save this kid and compromise my mission or
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: do I just get the fuck out of here and
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: pull this motherfucker off? And the reality is I had
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: to look the other way and I didn't like it.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: So I took my speed, you know, they give you speed.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: I took my speed. stayed up everyone went to bed
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: they fed me dark opium tea they tried to put
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: me down that's why i drank the tea anyway knowing
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: it was spiked uh and then i took my speed
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: to kind of counteract it and then everyone went to.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: Bed i laid there just wide awake i laid there
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: wide awake.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: Like i fucking shut an eye these motherfuckers are gonna
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: cut my dick off and stick it in my mouth
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: because that seems like what they like to do uh
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: and then uh finally the middle of the night i
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: fucking Fucking got my AK. I stuck it in the
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: driver's face. I drug him out to the truck, like,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: right before sunup. And we fucking left the valley. But, like,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: you know, compromise the mission or save the kid. What
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: do you want? What's it going to be, man? And then, like,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: you just see this all over the place.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: So you were, like, one of the first guys to
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: do these singleton missions. Yeah, yeah. So when they set
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: you off to do something like that, like, what's the protocol? Like,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: how do they even... Good luck.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. What do you think? What do they
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: say to you?
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: Well, back then it was that guy Dalton Fury, right?
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: The guy who wrote Kill Bin Laden was my commander.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: It's a long story. I'm writing a book. It's finished.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: Maybe someone would want to publish it, but it's called
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: The Singleton, and it's about my going out alone.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: But I was at my base. I was in Assadabad.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: And we were just getting rocketed and mortared every day.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like mortar bait, whatever. And then we
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: had like fucking zero lickies and chewies. No fucking candy,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: no beef jerky, no fucking Pop-Tarts, no fucking.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: Nothing, right?
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: And we're just sucking it up. And like, I got
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: to eat fucking these Afghan motherfuckers cook us food. And like,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: I'm eating vegetables. I don't even know what the fuck
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: that vegetable was. I don't even recognize it as a vegetable.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Yeah, I know that's fucking
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: goat because it tastes horrible. But I don't know what
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: the fucking, I don't even know what the fuck they
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: cook me. You know what I mean? It's like, anyway.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: So I go to my boss.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yo, hey, I want to fucking go
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: to the main base, right? And steal pokey from the
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: fucking chow hall.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: What's pokey?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: Pogie bait is a term for like beef jerky, snacks, candy, cookies,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: like any kind of like snack food.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: So and my boss is like, yeah, if you schedule
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: the airplanes, you make all the coordinations, you can go.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: I was like, fucking bet, man. I fucking scheduled the helicopter. Like, motherfuckers,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: you don't know how resourceful I can be. You know
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: what I mean? So I scheduled everything for the next night.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: And then like I drove my head of red Toyota truck.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: I drove my Toyota truck in the back of the Chinook, right?
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: So tight in there. You can't even get out. You
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: got to just sit there. Hope you ain't got a piss.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: They fly me to the main base, fucking land, driving
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: the main base. Like by this time, like the army's
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: like taking over where like, you got to like fucking salute, um,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: fucking the army base in Afghanistan, like two weeks ago,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: like a fucking SAS guy lost a leg in a landmine,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: you know? But, um, so I go to the base
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: and then the commander sees me and and he's with
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: his sergeant major another guy and they're like this is
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: our fucking guy right here so like hey what are
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: you doing and i'm like about to raid the chow
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: hall you know like what the fuck does it look
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: like i'm doing you know what i mean like if
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: it's one thing i'm honest right so uh i was
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: like yeah i'm getting pokey for the fucking for our
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: base like what's up and they're like hey we got
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: a mission for you and i told them hey I'll
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: But you just got to tell my, ask my boss
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: if it's all right. Cause I didn't work for these guys.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: And they're like, okay, cool. They're in my squadron, but
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: like not my direct boss. Right. So they call my boss.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: My boss says fine. And like, they sit me in
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: this room and they're like, Hey, we want you to
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: go out alone.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: And they're like, explain everything to me. We want you
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: to go out alone. Like, do you have any questions?
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: And I was like, my, my only question was.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't a question.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: I looked the commander in the eye and I said,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: tell me you're going to cover my ass if something
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: goes wrong. And he was like, uh, Oh yeah, we'll
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: cover you. Like, yo, you could have gave a fucking
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: better man up with that answer. You know what I mean? Like,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? He gives this like weak answer.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: And I'm just thinking, well, fuck man. You know what
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: I mean? Now.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: So what were they telling you they wanted you to do?
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: Go out alone, US eyes on, get footage of this
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: guy at his house. So we could launch, right? Cause,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: The generals back then weren't in line with Bush's dead
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: or alive. And they were, I believe the Pentagon was
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: a bigger hindrance in the beginning of war than they
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: were fucking, than they were worth.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: But how so?
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: Well, the general at the time that was in charge
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: of us, our task force, right? And we're talking about
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: tier one, like the guy in charge then had like
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: two rules. Number one, You can leave the wire if
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: you get USIs on a target.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: Okay? Okay.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: And number two, no one leaves the wire. Well, how
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: the fuck are we going to do number one if
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: we can't leave?
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Figure it out. So the commander, I was, because I was.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: When you say leave the wire, what do you mean exactly?
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: Like go out hunting for bad guys. Leave your base.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Go out in combat. But
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: you can't leave your base. But you can leave the base.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: But you got to get these eyes on to launch
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: a target. So you got to get your recon guys
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: out there doing reconnaissance because we need these reconnaissance and
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: US eyes on to hit these targets.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: We want to launch reconnaissance. Yeah.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: No one needs a wire. That's kind of how it worked, man.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: Right. So the reason they use me is according to
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: the army, the army at every level is great at accountability.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: A hundred percent.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: We need to know where everyone is at all times. Right.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: So when I flew to the other base, I was
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: in transit, right? So they left me in transit for
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: a week. So instead of saying I left the wire,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: I was just in transit because I was in transit
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: anyway to go get Pop-Tarts.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: So they lied to everybody, left me, my, and I
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: didn't know this at the time. I like, like this
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: could have mattered less to me. I learned later, you know, but,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: They paperwork nutshell the general and sent out reconnaissance and
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: that was me Wow. And then they came back with
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: the eyes on and the general agreed to launch the mission.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: And it was a success. And no one asked how
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: the fuck did someone leave the wire? Because no one
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: cared because we were successful. You know what I mean?
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: So what are you thinking when you're out there doing this?
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: What is going through your head when you agree to
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: do this? Fuck.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: Figure it the fuck out. I don't fucking know. I'm
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: not trying to have anything in my head right now.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: That's what's crazy. It's like they just let you figure
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: it out.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: So you have to feel very vulnerable. I don't know.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say vulnerable, Joe, but I do think this
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: is like, There's guys that like fucking make it happen.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: You probably got guys like this. Any task you give
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: a guy, he's just like, wait, you're done with that already?
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: Some people can just make shit happen.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: And then I'm one of those guys. That's like one
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: of my better qualities, make it happen. So like fucking
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 3: go make it happen, motherfucker.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Go act like a retard when you get pulled over.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: Hey, man, do what you got to do, baby. Like
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: fucking survival of the fittest.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: So the problem is once you do one of these,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: now you're the guy that can go do these things. Yeah.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: And I did hundreds in Iraq and fucking loved it.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Yeah. You loved it. Loved it. He loved
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: being alone, man. I love it.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: Fuck that.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: Think about this, Joe. And you do jujitsu and you fight, right?
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: You want to depend on yourself or you want to
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: depend on yourself and people you don't know what the
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: fuck they're made of. Who the fuck are you going
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: to trust?
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: You're going to trust yourself. Right?
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: So it wasn't really a big stretch for me to
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: be alone. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. But it's still a very unusual mindset. Yeah, maybe.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: And then my other mindset is like, no matter where
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: I am, no matter what I do, everyone in a
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: 25-yard radius is going to fucking die just so I
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: can make it home. And if I had to kill
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: everyone in the whole village, goddamn right, everyone in that
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: fucking village would be dead for me to come home.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: So I just figured, yo, fucking be ready to fight
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: at all times. I learned a hundred to one lessons learned,
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: leadership lessons, a hundred to one being alone versus being
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: a pack of 30 motherfuckers. Like, yo, let us come
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: ram this down your fucking throat and we'll call it Tuesday.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Where when I was alone, like,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: you got to make better decisions. You're a fucking coyote.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: You're a ghost. You know, you got to make ghost decisions.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: The fucking, you know, the bravado, like we're going to
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: kill everybody. The fuck we are.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: We're not going to fire a shot. Why?
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: Because like you, you fire one shot as a singleton,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: you better be ready to kill everybody because gunshots is
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: a fucking dinner bell for psychos. You know what I mean?
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: So, are you ready? You know what I mean?
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: And the reality is, is like, I had to think
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: of other shit, do other shit, had to act like
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: a retard, you know? And then I had to get
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: along with people. I had a, had to do so
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: much shit that is out of like, even the commando
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: norm as a singleton, you know?
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: Uh, I think there's no one that can really teach
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: you this. Fuck. I mean, No, like, I mean, I'll
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: fucking know how to breach an airplane, right? How the
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: fuck are you going to teach a guy to act
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: like a retard? If you get pulled over, how are
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: you going to teach a guy to be a singleton?
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: Right. Well, we used to tell guys, I used to
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: tell my guys all the time, and this is a
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 3: unit thing, but like I could train a monkey to shoot.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: I'm training you to think I don't care about the shooting.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: Cause if you're thinking right, the shooting will be easy.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, but yeah, man, uh, I'll tell you, I
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: thought about writing a leadership book, calling it the singleton
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: and just kind of the lessons I learned, you know,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: like so few guys have done that.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: You know, like I see all these, like, you know,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't look at the internet. I
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: don't watch the news. Uh, I don't do any of that.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: I don't do social media.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: I have it. I don't fucking look at it. I
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: don't have it on my phone.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: It's not worth my sanity. Um, so I'm like a
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: fucking time capsule for fucking the two thousands.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: And like, uh, I never understood some of these other
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: like veteran stories. You know, I never, I never kind
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: of look at the lone survivor. I never understood the
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: full story. Cause I went out alone all the time.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: That shit didn't happen to me. Motherfucking seven Taliban on
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: my ass. You want to see seven fucking bodies super quick.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Bring them boys up here,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: you know? So I never really fucking understood some of
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: these other stories because I had such a different experience.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: I can't fathom if I was with five, you know,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: the times I was with five guys, you know how
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: many people, I mean, I was.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: With three guys.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: You know how many people we killed in the Battle
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: of Tora Bora? Fucking hundreds. I just stopped counting on
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: my first day. So having said that, like, I don't
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: understand some of these stories because I had the experience
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: I had.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It's a very unusual experience.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: How many guys were singletons? Fuck, I don't know any.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: You don't know any?
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, a couple of my buddies, but like, not
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: like me. Wow. Yeah, and then once I did it,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: it was kind of my lot in life.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: How many pages is this book that you wrote?
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know, like fucking 20 chapters.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: I wrote a big book. It seems like it'd have
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: to be like 500 fucking pages. Yeah. So I can't
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: wait to read that book.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: Shameless plug if you know anybody who buys books.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: Someone needs to buy that book, 100%. Yeah, we'll get
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: that book sold.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: We'll get that book sold, 100%. I need to read
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: that book right now. I'll give it to you. I'll
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: text it to you. Okay. I'll text it to you today.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: For real.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: I'll text it to you.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: I'm done with it. Okay. I think it's as good
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: as I could get it.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: And I'm just a regular. I'm in a Chicago public
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: school system. Fuck, I didn't even take a book home
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: because if the school loses the books, they can't teach.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: So it was like half my class was in the
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: book and the other half was homework and he left
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: the books in class.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: So like I didn't have homework. Well, it's probably better
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: because you're going to get it. Like from you with
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: no gloss. Yeah. No bullshit.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: Which leads me to Iraq where I did hundreds of
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: solo missions. I was a taxi driver. I had like,
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know, fucking 30, 50 vehicles in Iraq.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: So once they realized you can do this.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, call McPhee. Yeah.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: Well, no, it was just kind of my thing. Like,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: you don't have to call me. Just tell me what
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: you need.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. I mean, my bosses knew how to use
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: me like that. So you started enjoying the... craziness of
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: it i loved being alone why did you love it
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: so much i don't know i.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: Hate to say this but like guys like me are
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: generally fucking assholes like you've met a few guys like.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: Me and they're like yeah i was afraid someone would
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: get away.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: Like shut the fuck up man god damn it you
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: know what i mean like so i'm not really a
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: fan of a lot of like alpha males they can
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: be dicks at times. So like, uh, yeah, it kind
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: of set me down my, down my path is I
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: just stayed away from the dicks and did my own thing.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Right. So you just had,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: you had your mission and you enjoyed the fact that
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: it was all up to you. And I didn't have
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: to fuck with no one else. It's on my timeline fucking,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: and I will make this happen.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: Like I will make shit happen that other people can't.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know how, I don't know why, but I
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: just will. That is such a wild experience.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: Like your experience in war must be so different than
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: everybody else's just because of that. Yeah.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: So having said that, we're talking about Iraq. I brought
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: some show and tell items.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: What'd you bring?
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: I brought something I have never fucking shown before.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: What do you got?
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: And I believe it's fucking evil. You want to see it?
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. What is it? I got to get
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: it out of my box. Oh, you got a box.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: I brought a box.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of scared.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: What's that? Hey, can you Google Saddam Hussein Mouser?
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: This is his hat? Yeah.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: It's the one where he shoots the Mouser in the
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: air at the fucking parade grounds. I was given that
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: to buy his tailor. Wow. Yeah, that one. The liner
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: fell out. The liner's in here. You can see what
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: kind of hat it is. The glue fell out of
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: the liner.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: Whoa. That's fucking crazy.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: I rolled up his tailor and all his butlers. Anybody
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: who touched his ass fed him or touched his dick.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: I fucking rolled them motherfuckers up.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: Saddam was captured nine days after I left. I had
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: to leave for Christmas. This is crazy.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: This was on his head. Now it's here.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: But, uh, it's a Piccadilly Fox fur hat. Uh, I
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: also have a sweater. I took a, I had all
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: his clothes like, man, fuck.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: I had everything that guy had.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: Uh, but, uh, yeah, his tailor. Okay. So, Saddam's inner circle, right?
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: When I was working Saddam, we were working a Saddam piece, right?
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: Some fucking legendary hits that no one's ever fucking talked about. Like,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: we did the cleverest shit fucking during Saddam. And I
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: will tell you this, is I learned on my fucking
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: singleton mission in Afghanistan, the first one, we need to
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: be a lot fucking smarter if we want to crush
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: these motherfuckers. And I'm not talking like, we captured two
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: bad guys. I'm talking, we go in, kill everyone needs
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: to be killed. capture everyone that needs to be captured
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: and fucking do this right.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: So, um, yeah, with the Saddam piece, right. Um, his
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: tailor and his butlers and Saddam's inner circle was all Christians.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: Fucking every one of them was a Christian. And Saddam
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: believed that Christians, if they martyr themselves, go to hell.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: Muslims martyr themselves, you go to heaven. So he surrounded
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: himself with fucking Christians. So his tailor, his butlers, his Jawalas,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: all those guys, they're fucking washing his ass, feeding this motherfucker.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: We're all Christians. And it's why Christians flourished in Iraq,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: which they're You know, like I'd like to I'd hope
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: all these guys are still alive.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: But the reality is.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: Is like ISIS probably fucking got rid of them after.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: Saddam was gone.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 3: You know, ISIS killed so many fucking Christians, you know
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying?
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But they were all Christians.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: And so his I it started with the ex ambassador,
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: excuse me, to the U.S., And then I met the
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: tailor and started talking to the tailor. And then one
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: day he brought this hat and he brought some clothes.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: And I was like, what was this? And he was like,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: you know, he told me this is the one where
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: he shot the Mauser. And he had some clothes. I
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: grabbed a sweater. I wear this sweater on Christmas Eve.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: And then when I was fatter, it's like a fucking
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: halter top. My belly fat's hanging out.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: You know, my family's like, I don't know.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: They think I'm nuts, but. I normally wear that sweater
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: on Christmas. I forgot to bring it around.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: I brought it. Wow.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, now that I lost weight, I think I'm actually
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: Saddam's size.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? It's spooky. You know what
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: I end up being the same size. I could have
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: wore all those clothes. You know what I mean?
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: But, yeah, they were Christians, right? And we rolled up
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: the tailor. The tailor gave up a butler. Me and
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: another guy were at the tailor's house.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: And we were going to snatch this guy, right?
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: This butler.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: And the butler is the guy who used to wash Saddam. Like,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: he bathed Saddam every fucking day.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: So Saddam had someone bathe him. Yeah. He didn't bathe himself. No. Crazy, right? Yeah, weird.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: But he had a lot of... But they were all Christians.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: And they were all.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 3: Honestly, they were all fucking nice people, to be fair. Like,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: all the Christians were great people.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: Anyway... Uh, yeah. So, uh, I'm in the.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: House with another guy and the guy's early. So we
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: fucking shoot up on the roof. The guy comes, I
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: call my guys, they're, they're not really.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: In place yet.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: So, uh, he comes, uh, he leaves, he only stays
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: a minute and he's gone.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And these, I think all
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: these inner.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: Circle Saddam folks know they were valuable to us and,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: and And like they realized they were going to get
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: snatched at some time. So he was like, he was out, right?
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 3: I called my guys, right? And then literally my guys
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: were like two blocks away. As he was leaving, he
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: ran into their Humvee. He ran into my guys. And
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: they're like, hey, this guy just ran into us in
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: like this vehicle. I'm like, that's the dude.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: He got in an accident?
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he ran into our guys in a Humvee.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: He was trying to drive away and like crashed into
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: like the guys that were going to snatch him. Wow. Yeah.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you another Saddam story. This is, this is my,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: one of my favorites.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: Uh, Saddam had like regular pieces of ass and like
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: his favorite piece of ass was this butter face lady.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know what she did for him, but she
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: wasn't a looker. You know what I mean? So like,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: look and feel are different things. Saddam knew what felt
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: right to him, obviously. Um, and she was married and
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: we wanted to get to her. I mean, maybe Saddam's
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: favorite sex partner wouldn't know where he is.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: Um, so we have the tailor, the tailor knows who
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: he is. So we have the tailor kind of invite
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: him to the tailor stop shop. This tailor had a
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: store in downtown Baghdad. So, He comes in the store and, uh,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: I told my guys, if he doesn't come out quick to, uh,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: I had a couple, um, I don't know what they're
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: called now. Mohawks, I think is what they call the
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: Iraqi counter-terror guys. Well, before they were even established, like
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 3: the guys were with us, you know, so we had
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: a couple of those guys. Um, and, uh, I have
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: them start fighting in front of the store. Right. So literally,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: Everyone piles out on the street to see these guys.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: Fighting, right?
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: Like, everyone piles out of all the shops, stores, and
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 3: everyone's watching these two guys fight. Literally, the guy we're
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: looking for, like, walks up to see the fight, and
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: his back is to the van door of the guys
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: that are going to snatch him.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: Wow. So I call him.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, you see that tall guy? That's our guy.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 3: Fucking snatch him.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: And no shit.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: Van door. Van door fucking opens. nobody even knew where
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: the fucking guy went. The tailor later was like, where
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: did he go? Did you take, who took him? Where
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: did this guy go? Where does this man at? You
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: Like no one even seen him get snatched. Right. That's
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: such a clever idea. Yeah. Have two guys fight in front.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: And then later my boss was like, who are those
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: guys fighting? I was like, that's our boys. And he
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: was like, wait, did you do that? And I was like,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to be there for like six hours.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: Like, you know what I mean? Like, how do we
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: speed this up? We got shit to do today.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: Like, you know what I mean? That's my efficiency is
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: my thing.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: Like that's genius. Yeah. That's one of the, and we
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: did so much. Hey, all right. I'll tell you another one.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: My first Saddam hit, uh, I worked, uh, a lot
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: of Intel side for Saddam, me and a couple other guys.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: So we worked, somewhere not with our squadron, and we
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: worked with another government agency.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: Make sense?
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: So we get the call, the squadron's doing a hit.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: There's a Saddam sighting, right? So this is like the beginning,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: like 2003 Iraq. We were fucking Ken blocking it with
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: fucking maps, like hit the third traffic circle, go out
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: on the nine o'clock, like literally get us to fucking
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: Ken blocking, fucking navigating through a fucking shitty Baghdad fucking
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: street map. I get us to the fucking target, right?
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: Humvees are already there. The rest of the guys are
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: already there. Rangers got the blocking positions all set up.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: So we get there, we raid the.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: House, right?
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: We get all these guys. And then finally there was
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: like no fucking shit, Joe.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: There was like, I.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: Don't know, 15 motherfuckers. It was like a Saddam lookalike
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: fucking contest. They all had the mustache. There's like short,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: fat Saddams. There's like tall, skinny Saddams. So it's like
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: body doubles.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if it was body doubles. They
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: just all looked like them.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because like the Saddam look was popular.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: The mustache.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, not that they all look the same, but
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: they kind of all look the same, you know, from
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: my perspective at the time.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: So like it was like, well, no wonder someone called
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: this in. It's fucking like they all look like Saddam.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: And then on the outside, like.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: Fuck man, the ranger shot up these vehicles at the
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: blocking position. I have my squad, my, my sergeant major
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: was like, Hey, go fucking clean up the bodies. And
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 3: I'm like, why the fuck am I on brains detail?
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 3: I didn't fucking shoot nobody today. And he's like, you're
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: the only one with a regular pickup truck that could
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: haul the bodies. And I'm like, fucker already thought it through.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: This is why this guy's the boss.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: Like, and then, uh, I lesson learned that day is,
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: you know, like in Iraq, you just drink water out
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: of bottles and then throw them in your truck, man.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: We were loading bodies in there's fucking a hundred water
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: bottles in the back of the bed. Someone just come
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: by the bed of the truck and throw an empty
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: water bottle in like at the house or whatever. Right.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: And like, I'm throwing bodies and fucking shit in the
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: back of my truck. And there's like bloody water bottles
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: squirting everywhere. It's a fucking mess, man. So, uh, I
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: learned that day, like, My vehicles are always clean. Always
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 3: fucking clean, man. From that day on. But like, it's
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: a fucking mess. And then, man, they shot up this fucking,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: this old man, this old lady. Like, they ran the checkpoint.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: They were about to hit the Humvee with the Rangers.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: So the kid shot at the driver. But like, the
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: kids didn't, the Rangers back then didn't know as much
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: as Rangers know now.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: And the kid like, shot the warning shots at the driver.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: But he hit the brakes. And the fucking vehicle will
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: never stop if you shoot the brakes. I don't know
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: if you know that. And it fucking hit the Humvee
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: at like fucking 40 miles an hour. Broke the transmission.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: And I had to clean up the bodies. Had to
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: set up an HLZ, take them later to the HLZ.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: And then it was like my, it was my first
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: Saddam raid in Iraq. And it was my first. uh
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: experience in iraq with the rangers and like that day
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: i was fucking fed up with them you know like
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: there's some young fucking 18 year old kid medic in
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: the back of the truck and like i'm like hey
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: fucking give these people morphine he's like i'm not supposed
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: to give the enemy morphine sergeant you know what i
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: mean i'm like yo does anyone look like a fucking
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: enemy to you here anyone fighting you in the back
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: of the truck then there is no fucking enemies here
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: bud fucking Give these people some drugs so like at
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: least we ain't gotta fucking hear them moan and shit
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: you know what i mean and like the kid like
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: i had to force him to like fucking be humane
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: you know what i mean because he was just trying
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 3: to follow orders later later would they be so much
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: better right but uh beginning of the war like my
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: first that's my first saddam hit you know what i
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: mean and i was just thinking fucking this is gonna
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: be awesome man that kid was shooting down the street
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: with the 50 cal like Imagine just a fucking city
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: street in Austin, right? And you're parked in the middle
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: of the road and you.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: Just shoot with a.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: 50 cal off the top of a Humvee, you know,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: like eight feet off the ground. Dude, those tracer rounds
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 3: would skip down the road. It was breaking glass, fucking
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: going through cars, fucking, you know, 500 yards down the road.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: Like people scattered.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: Like, it's amazing. Wow.. 50 cal is amazing.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? And then I had a
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 3: fucking pickup guts.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: Well, this is the fucked up thing about it is like,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: You went through all this chaos. You're uniquely qualified for
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: chaos for some strange reason.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: Love chaos is my jam, man. As soon as this
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 3: gets confusing, yo, I got this. You know what I mean?
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: But why is that?
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: I don't fucking know.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: It seems to be what I do best. Yeah, I
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: think so. Is that something that, like, you accumulated this
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: mindset over time? Or did you just always have it?
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: I think it was beaten to me. Really? Yeah, like.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: think about it. When I was a kid, the house
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: was chaotic.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? You learn, you learn the chaos.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: Right. And then it's just, you're designed for that. Bring
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: glass in case of war. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 3: I guess so.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: I think I'm a normal guy, but like people tell
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: me I'm not. Yeah.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, I understand you. I understand you. It's not normal,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: but I understand you. Yeah.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, look, I just feel like, okay, We're
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: all going to die. I'm not going to let it
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: ruin my day. I've been through bad shit. I'm not
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: the fucking victim. I've done bad shit. I'm not the
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: fucking bad guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, uh,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: and then having said that, it's like, I don't know, man,
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 3: I think it affects everybody differently, but I think, you know, um,
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 3: before I retired, I was burned out. I didn't know
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: I was burned out. I was an asshole every day. Fucking,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: I was, you know, you, I mean, I just fucking
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: guys that come into my office.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: What do you want? Yeah, too slow. Get the fuck out.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: When you know what you want, come back.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: The guy would be like, okay, Sergeant Major. Well, you
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: were operating at 10.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: Always.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: Always.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I learned, man, like I was having
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: a lot. I fucking hated my life. I was miserable.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: I hated being a Sergeant Major.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: I hated being Army Management is what I called it.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 3: I'm not a leader.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not a follower. I'm not a soldier.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: I'm fucking Army Management, and that shit is fucking dry
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: fucking toast. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: just got out of fucking Baghdad in 06 fucking killing people.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: Like, 06 was a great year, you know.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 3: And then I got to sit on the fucking staff
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: and do this shit. Like, they're just fucking killing me, Joe.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: And then, so, like, I wasn't a very good song major.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 3: So I realized one day, like, man, I think I
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 3: used to be funny. Like, you know, like when I
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: was a kid, like. I'd catch that beating. If I
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 3: could say that one fucking smart ass comment to you,
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 3: I might get beat more, but I fucking said my piece.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Even as a little kid,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 3: I'll take the beating to fucking call you an asshole. Uh,
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: so like, uh, I kinda, uh, maybe had that mindset
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: going into it or something. You know what I mean? Like, um, but, uh, yeah, man,
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: I just think like, I think a lot of it
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: just goes back to my childhood and being able to
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 3: manage the chaos.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: One minute we're fighting, the next minute, you know, someone's
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: at the front door. Like, go answer. The crazy thing
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: about it is, like, if you are, you're running any
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: branch of the military and you're asking a lot of
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: people to find someone like you, that you can find
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: someone who doesn't just accept this but thrives on it. That's, like,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: try recreating that in a lab. Fuck. You know what
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: I'm saying? I don't know. How do you make that?
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: You can't. I don't know.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 3: I've only seen, like, I don't know, in my experience
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: of all the guys I know and all the combat
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: I've seen, I'd say there's, like, just, I mean, you know,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: we're not the common guys.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Maybe a dozen in my life.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: You guys on a group chat? Fuck no. Fuck no.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: You don't talk to nobody.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 3: You'll never know.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: Who they are.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: They ain't fucking talking to you, me, fucking nobody. You
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? And some, you know, of the,
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 3: you know, I maybe know a dozen of those guys.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 3: Eight probably still work for the dark side of the
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: government as.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: Old men, wherever that is. And the other guys are
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: like raising families and don't want you fucking with them. Right.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? They don't do shit like this.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Guys like me don't do shit like that. But
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: the thing about it is if you didn't talk about it,
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: people wouldn't know. Right. Like, I think it's great that
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: you talk about it. I think it's important. I think
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: people need to, I mean, people need to, you know,
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: we're trying to like fill in an understanding of the world.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: And until you've talked to someone who's experienced a part
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: of the world in a way, in a way that
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: no one else has, you don't know that that's a thing. Right.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: Like the fact that you can come and talk about
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: this is a very good thing for everybody. Thank you.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: Because people will see like, okay, like this is super complicated.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: Like this, the whole thing was super complicated. And to
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: have a guy that could talk about navigating probably the
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: most complicated aspect of this super complicated thing and to
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: actually thrive in it is very strange. Thank you.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: I still think I'm normal, Joe. I think I'm a
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 3: regular guy.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: You're definitely not normal. But like I said, I understand you. Thanks, man.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: I get it. But yeah, man.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: And look, I got some more items. You want to
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: see something else?
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: I've never shown off.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: So I talk about stories in some of my videos
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: about being a taxi driver. I also had another vehicle
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 3: that was an Ude Kuse secret police vehicle. So when
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 3: I drive this vehicle downtown, like, The fucking sea would part.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: The road could be packed. And I'm driving my vehicle
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: and people just move. What kind of vehicle was it?
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: It was like a Maxima, a Nissan Maxima. But it's
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: what the Uday secret police drove.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? And then they carried these.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: And I'll show you. Check this out. Whoa. So... The.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 3: Lion is the Babylon lion, and that's the symbol of
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 3: the Republican Guard. But I used to carry that as
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 3: a taxi driver, and when I'd get out of the taxi,
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: people would see that fucking gun and just fucking walk away.
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: And that's what the Republican Guard rocked, those silver guns.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: I say it's a pearl handle, but it's like plastic.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's plastic.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 3: Nothing fancy about it.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: But specific to them. Yeah. Wow. What's on there?
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a guy make it for me.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, Elk Ribble Tool Handle. Yeah. Bozeman, Montana.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: There's only so many guys that'll do AKs.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: You want like a silver AK? What are you, the cartel? No,
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 3: get the fuck out of here. You're not serious about guns.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: You know how many fucking no's I had to collect
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: up to be like, Anyway, that's my Republican guard. That's
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: my taxi driver gun, man. So you had that made
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: specifically because you knew that they carried that.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 3: No, I captured that on the battlefield and carried it
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 3: in Iraq.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: So that is one. But why does it say Bozeman, Montana? Because, well, because, okay.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 1: So if you bring one home, you get fired.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 3: But what I did, what I did is I took
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 3: the hand guard and the pistol grip and then I
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 3: had a guy make a copy.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: Of what I had. oh yeah yeah oh okay so
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: it's it's i mean it's legal and everything but so
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: the handguard and the pistol grip is from the original
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: gun right but that's exactly what the.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 3: Original gun looked like because i didn't want look when
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 3: you're in the defo like you want to get fired
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 3: for bringing back an ak right fucking you know what
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 3: i mean like dumb like right you know what i
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 3: mean like it's not worth the risk right but like
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 3: it's like hey can i bring this handguard back like
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: the fuck you want that garbage for?
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: That's a yes.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it took me a while
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: to get, but yeah, that guy built it for me. Wow.
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: Just got it. Kind of matches the hat.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 3: Everybody I know likes to take a picture with that
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 3: and the.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: Hat.
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of popular.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the hat's been in Texas here for a very
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 3: long time. Been stored in Texas. Got it documented about
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 3: as much as possible as I can.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: Some fucking nightmares. I don't know.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 3: Hey, you know anybody that would might want it.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: Well, you were selling it. Yeah. I bet someone would
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: want that. I don't, I don't want it. Yeah.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 3: And if someone, no, fuck no, Joe, why do you
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: think I keep it in a black fucking box? Yeah.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: And like, uh, yeah, I don't want it.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 3: Uh, but I know there is people out there that
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: would treat it better than me. Like, I mean, I
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 3: crammed it in a box and the guy that stored
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 3: it for me, put it in glass. You know what
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 3: I mean?
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: Like he kind of knew what he was doing. Uh, Actually,
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: I had it stuffed in a bag. You know what
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: that would be good for? Zach Bagans' haunted museum in Vegas.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: Have you ever been to that? Do you know Zach?
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: I hear that place is fucking creepy. It's creepy. My
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: brother said it was fucking creepy. It's fucking creepy.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 3: And my brother likes creepy shit, and he was freaked out.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's got everything in that place. He's got Kevorkian's
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: van where he killed all those people.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: He's got the Camaro. from fucking the Waco. What's Koresh?
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: Does he?
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. I thought he bought the Camaro
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 3: from Koresh. No, I was going to buy that Camaro.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 3: Wasn't the serial number like I am God or something?
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 3: Wasn't it the serial number?
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: It's a 68 Camaro, and it was for sale. And
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: I came that close to pulling the trigger on it.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: But I was like, I don't want that fucking bad
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: juju in my life. That's it. 68 Camaro from Deadly Siege.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: Zach Beggins. Oh, he does have it. So he bought it.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: So Zach bought it. Yeah. That's the one selling it,
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: I think. Oh, he's selling it now. So he got it.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: It was for sale. 23. This was from a year. No,
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 1: it was for sale quite a while ago. And I
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: was going to buy it. Holy shit. Somebody emailed me
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: and told me that they know I love old muscle cars.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: And they said, Koresh's Camaros for sale. I was like, ooh.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: And I went like this. Let me buy it. And
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: then I was like, no. What the fuck am I
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: going to do with this? Yeah.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd rather buy one that has no history.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a 69.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: I love them. I love old muscle cars, so I
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: was thinking about it. But I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: You don't want that in your life. You don't want that.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: I had a 67 Camaro when I was a kid.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: Look at the title. David Koresh, Waco, Texas.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. Does the serial number say I am God
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 3: or something?
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: No, it seems normal. Look at the VIN numbers. Normal.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: It's a normal VIN number. Fucking crazy asshole. Yeah. That guy, I, when,
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: you know, you went to the mothership last night. Yeah.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: I was going to buy another building before that that
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: was run by a cult and they moved out here.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: It was called, I forget what the, what was the name?
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: The Bodie tree. Is that what it was called? Anyway,
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: there's a documentary on it. It's called Holy Hell. So
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: this guy, he was a yoga teacher in West Hollywood.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: And he was a gay porn star and a hypnotist.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: So this fucking guy.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: He got a lot of ass.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: So the Bodie Field, that's it. Thank you. So Waco
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: goes off, right? And then the Cult Awareness Network starts
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: investigating him. And he's running this cult in West Hollywood.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: So he escapes in the middle of the night and
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: drives out to Texas, moves to Austin, tells everybody, come here.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: And they all move out to Austin. And then he
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: has them build this place. It's called the One World Theater.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: And all the cult members ran this place for years
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: until they figured out that this guy was fucking everybody.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: One guy sends out a mass email, say, hey, this
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 1: guy's been hypnotizing me and butt fucking me for the
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: last 10 years. And everybody's like, me too. And so
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: then they all find out that he's fucking everybody, this guy.
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: So they all leave. The cult falls apart. The building's
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: for sale. So I swoop in. When I move here,
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: the building's for sale. Ron White tells me about the
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: building being for sale. He's like, this building's fucking awesome.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: I performed there. You should buy it. So Ron White's
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: my hero. So I'm like, I'll buy it. Fuck it.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: We're going to open up a comedy club. Let's open
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: it up in this place. All sorts of problems with
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: the building. Code, this, that. A lot of environmental. A
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: lot of shit. So I get out of it. But
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: I bought the building before I watched the documentary. So
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: I watched the documentary and I'm like, oh, no. Same thing.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: It's like these fucking people, all the lives lost. They
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: lived 20 years. These poor people wasted 20 years of
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: their life following this fucking asshole. And he's got this building.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: But the reason why he bought the building was because
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: of Waco. So when Waco pops off, they were like, oh, geez,
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: these cults are fucking dangerous. So the cult awareness network
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: starts going after everybody. So this guy moves here and
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: changes his name. Because like back then you could kind
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: of change, no internet. You could do that. You could
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: kind of change your name and know, oh, it's a
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: different guy. And so he builds, he has his whole,
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: all his followers build him this theater. So for a
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: brief period of time, I was under contract for that theater.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: Did you go in there building? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: Was it creepy in there? It was a little weird.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: This guy would like, he had this theater, this beautiful theater.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: He had it built so he could dance in front
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: of his followers. So he could perform in front of
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: his followers. He was a weird cat. He was like
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: a really handsome guy when he was younger. But then
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: as he got older, he started getting plastic surgery. He
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: looked real weird. And he would be thinking about getting
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: something done, so he'd force one of his followers to
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: go get it done. And so they'd get it done.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: They'd come back with their fucking cheeks. So he's like, hmm,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: I kind of like that. And then he would go
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: and get the surgery done. At the end of the documentary,
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: he looks really fucking weird because he's got Botox and
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: fucking cheek and all weird shit to his face. Yeah,
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: but the feeling in the building was just like of loss.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: That's what it felt like, loss. Loss. Just, oh, no.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: You know, like you don't want to buy a house
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: from some people that went bankrupt and they lost everything
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: and their family fell apart and then you're in the
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: house like, ooh. Yeah. This house feels like sadness. Yeah.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: I felt like we could burn some sage and fucking
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: party in there for a few days. We'll clean it up.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: Get some good energy in.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: But now I'm glad. I'm glad that that didn't happen. Yeah.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: Why even go through that? Yeah. Well, it was kind
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: of funny at first. I thought it was funny until
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: I– a cult owned it. Oh, this is funny. And
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: then my buddy Adam called me up and goes, hey,
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: did you watch a documentary on that cult? I was like, oh, no.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 3: There's a documentary?
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: That's never good. Yeah. They don't make documentaries about the
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: good cults.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: And it was a fucking– it was horrible. At the
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: end of the documentary, like you're tearing up. You're like, oh,
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: these poor fucking people. Because there's so many– they– Some
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: people are just gullible, and they're not bad people. They
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: just want someone better than them to tell them how
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: to live life.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: That's all it is. They need something. Yeah.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: They need someone.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: They need something. They're missing something, whatever it is. Something
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: went wrong, and they're willing to believe a lot of
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: really ridiculous shit. And then 20 years later, they realize
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: they wasted their life. People do a lot of weird
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: shit and call it religion. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: And that was this place.
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: But that was because of Waco, that this guy built
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: this place. Yeah.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 3: Damn.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: The Waco thing's fucked. You ever watch the, the raid? Uh,
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean the raid kind of like, we got
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 3: the briefings back in the day. Like, you know, the
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 3: raid was a couple of years old, but. Yeah. Um, yeah,
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 3: I know about the raid.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: It was pretty fucked. I mean, they just cooked those people. Yeah.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: They burned it down. Oh yeah. If I can see
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: the tanks like shooting fire into the buildings and like,
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. Caught fire. Yeah. Fire. It
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: was back in the nineties when you could kind of
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: get away with something like that and people didn't really know. Yeah.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, like, well, we didn't know it would burn.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: Well, it is made of wood.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but, I mean.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: And we shot fire at it.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: All right, you ready? I got some other stuff. What
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: else you got? What else you got? So check this out.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: I got a swag bag for you. Okay.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 3: I got a bunch of stuff I make that I do, right?
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 3: So I just kind of want to, I like to
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 3: do this, right? Look, I got you the SOB hat.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 3: This is the best hat ever. We sell right here.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 3: It's the one I wear this on the range every day.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 3: I got you the same T-shirt as me, Team SOB shirt.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: Right. Welcome to the team, Joe. Thank you.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 3: We're glad to have you. My second favorite shirt of
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: all times is this, and I wear this every day.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: When I elk hunt. Do you really? Oh, wait.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, no. This is the wrong one.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: I got a shirt.
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 3: I sell these shirts. They're called Slaughter Things, and it's
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 3: all I wear in elk camp. You know what I mean?
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 3: But look, we got your shut up hippie shirt. I
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 3: sell a ton of these. I wear these normally.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: What are they? Are they knives? Bullets. Bullets. Got your
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: shut up hippie shirt. When I go to California and
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: teach California classes, I wear a shut up hippie shirt
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: And then tons of guys buy them. I had a guy.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 3: He comes to my classes.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: He's a younger kid.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: He's tall. Got a young family, right? They go to,
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 3: I think, Asheville, North Carolina, and they're eating at some destination. Like,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 3: you got to go eat here, and it's a bus.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 3: So he's a big guy, right? And he's in this
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 3: school bus, and that's where you got to order is
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 3: in this old school bus. So he said, like, my
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: shoulders are almost touching the ceiling, and he had to
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 3: put his head down, and he had his shut-up hippie shirt.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: On behind him.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: And some hippie behind him was like, Better be careful
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: wearing that shirt. You'll get your ass kicked around here, right?
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 3: And he says he looks back and he pulled up
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 3: his shirt and he said, better make it a gunfight.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: And they shut the fuck up. Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 3: Well, North Carolina.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: You're going to get your ass kicked. That's so funny.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: By hippies. That's so funny.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: That's the most gentle ass kicking of all time.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you for that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Okay.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: I got you a condom holster. I make these 365.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: It's your EDC.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: You make these out of leather, right? They're made out
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: of leather. I saw this on Sean's show. Yeah. Nice.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: It's all I use. It's all I wear.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 3: It is the most comfortable holster. Here.
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: And that's all the stuff for you. Thank you. I'll
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: give you the bag, too, also. Oh, I got a bag. Okay.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 3: So check this out. Here's another thing I use all
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 3: the time. The cooling schmog.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. I saw this, too.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 3: You know the schmogs, right? Yeah.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: Basically, I made a cooling towel the size of a schmog. Okay.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 3: So like when I'm on the range, literally I just
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: dump a bottle of.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: Water in my neck. The fucking thing absorbs it. What's
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: it made out of?
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 3: It's the cooling material, you know, like the cooling towel material.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: The problem with most cooling towels is they're not big enough.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 3: So it's like one layer on your neck and it
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: dries in like two minutes. This you could kind of
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 3: get double it up.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: Pour water on it. It'll stay cool for a long time.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 1: What is that cool? Because I've seen people, they're making
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: gear and clothes out of this cooling material. What is it?
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 3: I think it's like the way it's woven to where
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 3: when the water drains out of it, it cools quicker.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 3: And it's materials that cool, clicker, or feel cool to
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 3: the touch kind of deal without knowing what it is.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: I've heard people talk about clothes that they make out
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: of this. They're like, it's really legit. like for whatever
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: reason it like keeps you cooler I.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 3: Would wear t-shirts on the range made of that shit
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 3: every fucking day I'm outside yeah yeah fuck yeah especially
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 3: in the heat you know what I mean okay so
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 3: check it out I got you a couple slings I
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 3: don't know if you have rifles but okay 100% made
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 3: in America everything on the sling is made there's a
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: QD on there I make Traditionally QDs in the gun world.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: If somebody wants to buy any of this stuff, where
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: do they get it online?
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 3: Sheriff of Baghdad, Joe.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: SheriffofBaghdad.com?
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: Here's another thing I got you. Punchers.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 1: Punch daggers. Oh, okay. So it's G10. I got a
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: few of them here. Oh, okay. So this doesn't even
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: go through a metal detector.
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 3: That's right. A, there's no metal in the sheath. It's
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 3: all plastic screws. A. Cleans up easy.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: No DNA.
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 3: You can clean it in diesel fuel.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: It'll wash all the DNA off. Diesel fuel?
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 3: You can wash it in anything.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: Is that the move? Alcohol, yeah. Diesel fuel is the move?
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: Just go to the gas station, get on the canisters.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: You could do fucking dish soap, but you can't permeate
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 3: the plastic. It'll come clean. And I sharpen them normally
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 3: with like 400 grit sandpaper.
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: Did you really?
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 3: I just re-sharpened it with sandpaper.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 3: But the reason I made it is I always wanted
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: something where, like, I was always wearing my body armor, right?
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 3: And I wanted to just put the punch dagger right
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 3: in the center. That way if something happened, I could
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 3: get it.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: Right. Boom. And just start fucking punching.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, the whole problem with knives is you've got
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 3: to learn how to use a knife. But with a
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 3: punch dagger, if you could throw a punch. Right. Right.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 3: You could bury that thing in someone's neck, you know
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 3: what I mean? Which is what I would tell anyone.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: Jamie's been looking for one of those for a while.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: Haven't you, Jamie? When Carl gets out of line. Yeah, hey.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 3: It'll clean the DNA off, sand it down, a little alcohol. Okay,
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 3: another thing I made, and this is super important. I
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 3: call these combat bands. It's a high-temperature silicone, but it's
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: a rubber band. The so what here is, When I
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: carry this rifle, I put a sling on it, but
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 3: if I'm in and out of vehicles, the sling is
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: always just hanging somewhere, right? So I put the rubber
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 3: band on the gun, and then I just weave the
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 3: sling underneath.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: The rubber band. So if this touches the barrel, it
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't melt.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 3: Right, right. And then back in the day, I had
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: to use actual rubber bands for parachutes. and if I
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 3: can last a day, like in the heat in Texas,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: a rubber band will last one day in a car. Well, well,
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 3: that's only one day I might, I got to go
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 3: to out every day in my car.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 3: So when I retired, it's one of the things I
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 3: wanted the most. So I made them the, Guys use
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 3: them to put suppressor covers, hold them on their suppressors.
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: You have great videos online, like instructional videos, like how
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: to fight out of your car.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: They're really informative. Things I didn't think I was interested
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: in learning. Then I started watching this. This guy's fucking
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: thought this shit through. It's all I did, Joe.
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm a simple guy. Let me just show you
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 3: how I did this.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: Right? Maybe you come up with a better way. I
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: don't know. Right? But I think this is like, this
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: is the difference between the army and the unit. In
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: the army, they're like, here's a gun, kid. Go use it.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: In the unit, they're like, let me.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 3: Show you to the nth degree how to use that rifle.
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 3: So when something happens, guess what? You know what I'm saying?
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 3: So it's the difference between showing someone something and teaching
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 3: someone something. And I think those are different. And I
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 3: think that's what the unit was good at. Here's some
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 3: of my favorite things. The boot kits. Um, Solomon boots
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 3: made for the military. I've been wearing Solomon boots. You'll
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 3: see a set of Solomon boots in the Saddam picture.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: I hunted with them this year. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 3: It's all I wear. Solomon's right. Well, if you got
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: the quests, you know how the laces kind of come.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: Yep. So like the running shoes. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 3: So I turn them into like the running shoes.
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah.
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 3: We sell a ton of those.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: Okay. And what do you do with the extra lace?
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 3: Cut it off.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, you just cut it off.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 3: I loosen the boot where I get my foot out,
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 3: and I cut the excess.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: Off and put the end on. Ah.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 3: Okay. So I don't have like three feet of laces.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 3: I only have like eight or ten inches.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. You know what I mean? Six inches,
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. Okay.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 3: Smart. These are some of my best things. This is a,
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 3: I would call it a scribe tool, right, in the
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 3: fact set that, It's a carpenter pencil.
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: Makes sense. You know a carpenter pencil?
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 3: But the middle is G10. Same thing as the punch knife.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 3: So it's for stabbing. A lot of guys carry them,
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 3: go through metal detectors. A lot of guys carry them airports,
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 3: like these things. I get pictures of these things everywhere.
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: I made it fist size so you could punch with
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 3: it or kind of get a good stab with.
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: It if you wanted. You know what I mean?
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 3: Something I always wanted.
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 1: Smart. Yeah. Yeah, I have a pencil like that. Yeah.
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 1: Someone gave me. Yep, yep.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, so check this out. Here's a bunch of stickers
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 3: we make. Some of the things that happen on the range.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 3: Blind guys, I always tell them they can't see shit.
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 3: You know how, like, when you shoot and guys, like,
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 3: really push their butt backwards? I call that the prison wallet.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 3: They'll be like, are you showing me your prison wallet?
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of stickers that are, like, funny shit.
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 3: I tell guys all the time, like, A guy will
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: be shooting good all day long, and at the end
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 3: of the day, he'll fuck something up, and I'll just
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 3: come up. All I got to do is whisper to
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 3: a guy and be like, sucks to suck, don't it?
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 3: And the guy will be like, shut the fuck up.
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 3: So all the stickers are just funny shit that happens
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 3: on the range, right? And then, look, this is the
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 3: premise of the NRA show we talked about earlier, is
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 3: I made a little card. The gun world is sketchy
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 3: information at best. Generally speaking of where your bullets go
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 3: and why. Like it's fucking magic.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 1: It's about eye dominance.
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 3: One side's eye dominance. The other one is how to
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 3: fix yourself, where the bullets go and why. Makes sense?
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 3: So look at this edge.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 3: So look, this edge is.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: Tension on the left hand. Yep.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 3: And then like you use this edge.
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: So if your group is generally tall... Right. You got
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: stance issues.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 3: And then as you see your group, whatever angle it's on,
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 3: the arrows point to it and tell you how to
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 3: fix it.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 3: Now, backside eye dominance. This is where the gun world
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 3: fucks up. And I'll tell you this. The gun world
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 3: talks about two things for eyes. Primary hand, primary eye.
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 3: Right handed, right eye dominant. Right.
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: They talk about being cross eye dominant, right handed, left
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: eye dominant. Right. Right.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: Okay. Here's how the vision, I think, really works. Okay.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 3: Being primary hand, primary eye is the guy who makes
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 3: all the rules in shooting. You should open your eyes.
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: You should do this, right? He makes all the rules.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 3: But the reality is his vision is his right eye
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 3: on a scale of 1 to 10. He'll tell you
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 3: borderline 11 because it's that fucking good. You know what
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 3: I mean? Borderline 11 in the good eye. Ask him
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 3: the vision in his other eye, and he's going to
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 3: tell you hard 8. It's not really so good. Mm-hmm.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: This guy will always be able to keep the other
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 1: eye open. Makes sense? Yes. Okay.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 3: Now, these are the same thing. Whether you're primary hand,
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 3: primary eye, or cross-eye dominant, it's the same thing. You
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 3: have a strong eye and a weak eye, and the
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 3: strong eye takes over. Doesn't fucking matter. Strong eye takes over. Right.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 3: Fucking easy for you.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 3: This is one out of ten. The other nine are
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 3: what I call eye neutral. Right?
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: They don't have a dominant eye.
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 3: And either eye could take over at any time because
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 3: either eye on a pistol could see the sights at
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 3: any time.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: Right. And this is where people get fucked up. That
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: makes sense with archery, too.
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 1: It's the same. I don't like to keep both eyes open.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: I've tried it.
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, that's because you're what I would call eye-neutral.
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 3: Say what I'm saying? Yeah. And then I would also
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 3: say this. If you have a gray hair on your head,
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 3: you're closer to being eye-neutral than than any eye dominant,
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 3: any fucking thing because of life, right? And the reason
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 3: I would tell you that is because the part of
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 3: the brain that works the eyes is like the part
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 3: of the brain that works the ears. It's the part
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 3: of the brain that works the legs and the arms, right?
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 3: They work all these things on your subconscious, I think
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 3: work better together and are stronger together. What do I
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 3: mean by that? You know, you know, when it comes
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: to leg days, dudes are like, dude, man, bro on
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 3: a squat 500.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: On leg day. Okay.
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 3: Does that mean you can do 250 pounds with one leg? No,
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 3: you can't probably. Right. Because the legs are stronger together
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 3: than they are independently.
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 3: And this is a function of the deep part of
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 3: your brain, the fast part of your brain. Right. So
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 3: having said that, you can't choose an ear, can you?
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 3: The only way you can choose an eye is the eyelid,
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 3: which has nothing to do with vision or dominance. See
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying?
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. I've never heard anybody say that before,
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: but now that you're saying it, I'm like, okay. Yeah.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 3: So if you look at the card, right, if you're
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 3: like right-handed, right eye dominant, you should be hitting in
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 3: the middle of the circle there, right? But if your
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 3: left eye takes over, look where the rounds will go.
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 3: And it'll always be, look, it'll always be eye distance
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 3: apart on your target. So people that have eye issues,
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 3: they don't shoot one group, they shoot two groups, one
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 3: for each eye, and the gun goes left eye, right eye,
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 3: left eye, right eye.
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: Evan was telling me that he learned to practice left-handed
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: a lot. And he practices things, even though he's right-hand dominant,
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 1: it helped the right side to practice with the left side.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 1: Do you subscribe to that? Yes, I do, and I'll
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: tell you why.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: Before I retired from the Army, I tore my bicep
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 3: out of my left arm.
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: I'm left-handed.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 3: So I went and turned in all my left-handed holsters
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 3: and got right-handed holsters. And I was like, I'm going
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 3: to train myself to be right-handed from here forward because
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 3: the VA said I'd never use my left hand again.
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, fuck you guys. I'll be
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 1: a righty. You can't slow me down. You know what
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 3: And then I started training as a righty. Took me
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 3: about two weeks. I was fucked up.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: It was tough. You know what I mean?
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 3: I had to stick with it. Fucking a lot of
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 3: frustrating days. And after about two weeks, my brain just
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 3: transferred all that skill to the right hand. And I
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 3: just fucking rocked it from then on out.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: It makes sense because you have this mental memory of
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: excellence with one side. You just have to.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 3: Well, think about this.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 1: If you actually knew perfect practice, you could switch that
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: to the other hand. Right.
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 3: But if you never knew perfect practice, the other hand
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 3: would get the same garbage.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: Right. That makes sense. Yeah. The I thing completely makes sense,
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: and I've never heard anybody say it before. Everybody says
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 1: you should keep both eyes open.
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 3: Well, you should, but the guy who made that rule
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 3: has a strong eye and a weak eye, and he
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 3: can do that.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 3: Your brain, when I say someone is eye neutral, your
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 3: brain treats your eyes as equal. What does that mean?
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 3: Your vision could be shit. It could be great. But
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 3: the brain says, I got two windows.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: I look out of this one. Let me look out
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 1: of that one.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 3: And you're going back and forth. You'll see the gun move.
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 3: You'll see the head move. And then most of the time,
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 3: it's no good. You're just not seeing it good.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: Make sense? It does. Are you one of those guys
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 1: that resists red dots? I don't give a shit. You
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? But did you ever resist it
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 1: at all? Because iron sights never fail you. They're always there.
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 1: No batteries.
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 3: I am not a red dot guy. I'm an iron
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 3: sight guy. However, let me explain myself. The internet knows
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 3: me as a red dot hater. But I'm taking that
• 2:29:30
  Speaker 3: video and I'm going to draw one line through that
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 3: red dot back to your face. And if it don't
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 3: point exactly to your eye, you're shooting and not seeing shit.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 3: And every time I show this to somebody, they're like,
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 3: so you're against red dots. No.
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 3: You're never going to catch the red dock unless you
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 3: get better technique.
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 1: And you get better technique with iron sights.
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 3: Well, no, you can have good technique with a red dot. Also,
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 3: if you had fucking good technique and someone showed it
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 3: to you, but no one shows it to you.
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 3: The next thing with the red dot is the red
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 3: dot is great for guys who don't see well, because
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 3: what happens is the red dot becomes in between you,
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 3: your eye and the target makes sense essentially. Right. So
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 3: you'll be able to see that. Um, But what no
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 3: one tells you is it's harder to learn, harder to master.
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 3: So you need it, but you need to train with
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 3: it properly or it's not doing you any good.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: Why is it harder to learn? Few reasons.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 3: You know, if you look at pro shooters, high-level pro shooters,
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 3: guys that are, like, fucking insanely fast, winning, you know,
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 3: national IPSC champs, Rob Latham, Dave Savigny, you look at
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 3: these guys, what you'll see is, like, they're so much
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 3: more efficient than anyone else, right? And they'll use a
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 3: way bigger site. Like I think the winningest site of
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: all time in like gun games is, it's like the
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 3: Seymour STS, but it's like more of the size of
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 3: a beer can than it is the little tactical site.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 3: So now when you shrink that thing down to a
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 3: postage stamp, They put a coating on it so it
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 3: doesn't fucking reflect or whatever, but you can't see.
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 1: Through it well.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 3: And they curve the glass, which anyone who shoots rifle
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 3: scopes will tell you fisheye is a fucking real thing.
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 3: But this red dot has all these things going on
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 3: and it's supposed to be better for a guy who
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 3: don't see shit.
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 3: And it just becomes harder to do. And then once
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 3: you show them how to get it right, like they'll
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 3: never have problems again. But it's all about showing them
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 3: how to get it right.
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 3: And then no one talks about that because they're stuck
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 3: on you can't use the right eye or they never
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 3: get past that point.
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: How important is it to teach people the right way
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 1: the first time so they don't have to unlearn shit?
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 3: Man, everyone has a preconceived notion of what they think
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 3: they should do, whether you've shot before or not.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 1: And I'm going to have to unfuck that. No matter what.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 1: No matter what.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, it's like kind of like
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 3: in the dojo where it's like, okay, I want you
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 3: to do like 20 good, 20 shitty arm bars. And
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 3: then we'll get the hips better on the next 20.
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 3: We'll tweak the hand on the next 20. You know
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 3: what I mean? Like get some of them bulk movements
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 3: down first.
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 3: And then we keep fine tuning.
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 1: Right. Fine tuning. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't matter.
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, even if you learned how to punch
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 3: from John Jones on your first day, you.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't go out and win a match that night. Right.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? So I think it's like
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 3: I always, I tell people this all the time, 1%
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 3: better a day. Just 1%. That's what I'm looking for today.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 3: If I can be 1% better today than I was yesterday, well,
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 3: that's 365% by the end.
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 1: Of the year, and I didn't do much every day. Right.
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 3: So I always tell people, like, shooting or a skill
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 3: like this is a marathon not a sprint right so
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 3: it's better that's with everything right yeah i think so
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 3: yeah you know so too and i tell you like
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 3: you know if you if if you think you're gonna
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 3: have to pull a gun and save your family one
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 3: day you should be practicing a few times a week
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 3: yeah you know it doesn't have to be much but
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 3: you should be practicing a little bit yeah getting this
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 3: gun out shouldn't be a shock to you when the
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 3: time comes because it's not going to come to you
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 3: then right yeah that's great advice yeah do you enjoy
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 3: teaching I fucking love teaching.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: I love helping people.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 3: Uh, now that I'm doing jits again, a lot of
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 3: people want me to show them like fucking cars and
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 3: guns and jits and guns.
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if I'm ready.
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 3: To take my sanity past time and turn it into work.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 3: So I, I, I play with guns now and a
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 3: lot of guys have told me I need to be like,
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 3: you know, like the car bailouts, like all this shit.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 3: Like I do, uh, I'm afraid to ruin jujitsu as work.
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 3: So I've been reluctant. And I always tell people I'll
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 3: never teach jujitsu. But, like, I'll fucking teach anyone everything.
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, if we can get better today, let's talk
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 1: Let's fucking try it. One thing about teaching jujitsu, though,
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 1: is I think it makes you better at jujitsu. I
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 1: think it's selfish. It's like a good thing for you. Well, okay.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 1: You know this. You're a black belt, right?
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 3: Every day you went to a dojo, you were trying
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 3: to hand that black belt his ass. And then you
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 3: get your black belt, and now everyone every day the
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 3: rest of your life is trying to hand you your ass.
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? It's a fucking thankless job.
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 3: No, I love that.
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 1: There's no day where no one's trying to hand you
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 1: your ass.
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go.
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 1: That's the beautiful thing about jiu-jitsu, too. I know. You
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 1: don't really catch any breaks. You might get one day
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 1: where there's like, oh, there's only blue belts here.
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 3: I love it when someone forces me into like real
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 3: survival mode. Now I'm not talking about like, you know,
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 3: you got a triangle and I'm just going to ride this.
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 3: I'm talking like someone like, I'm like, fucking, I got
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 3: to do something now. I fucking love that, man.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 1: How are you, how are you avoiding injuries?
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 3: Um, okay. So, uh, first and foremost, uh, I started out,
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 3: I don't even take Motrin. I try to take no
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 3: drugs after I got off the pills from the VA
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 3: and started getting active and, You know, I try not
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 3: to take any medicines at all. I went to master
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 3: worlds and motherfuckers are yoked up fucking.
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: At the gear is out.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like these motherfuckers are working
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 3: out since last year, just a fucking stroke of motherfucker today.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 3: So like I was a little unprepared this year for
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 3: worlds in that aspect, but I'm all for the peptides.
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 3: I'm all for the TR. I'm not against any of
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 3: it per se. Uh, and, and I think that's a, uh,
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 3: I did the peptides. I just, I'm not, I don't,
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 3: I don't like shots. Like, and I won't give myself
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 3: a shot.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 1: You were talking about that on Sean Ryan's show. You
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 1: don't like something piercing your skin.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, I don't like that.
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know why. Like, I know.
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 3: It's so weird.
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 1: A guy who's been through everything that you've been through
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 1: is like, needles, sketch me out.
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, just give it, it doesn't hurt. Like, I'm
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 3: not a sissy about it, but it's like. Peptides are
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 3: so easy though.
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 1: I know. Well, I took the pills. Yeah. I took
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 1: the pill once. PPC-157? Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you like- Super legit. Was it Gary Brekka,
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 3: that guy?
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He talks about redheaded people. I'm a redheaded people.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 1: I got pale skin. Redheaded people have better pain tolerance. Yeah.
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 3: Well, I take drugs different.
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 1: I think there's a thing about that though. Google that.
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 1: Redheaded people have better pain tolerance.
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 3: My whole life I've taken drugs differently. Like I don't
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 3: get Percocet. I get Dilaudid. So I think like... Like
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 3: when you got roofied. Like everybody else conked out. Yeah.
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 3: I'm just in over party mode.
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 1: You were also talking about on Sean's show that you
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 1: have the thing that Jamie has where you can take
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of edibles and you don't feel it. Oh, yeah.
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 1: The weed gummies are fucking worse. Some studies have found
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 1: that redheads have a lower pain threshold, but other studies
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 1: have found the opposite. Oh, okay. So it's all fucked up. Inconclusive. Inconclusive. Yeah, but... Yes,
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 1: it depends on the individual. So.
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 3: But I will tell you this, it healed my stomach
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 3: and my healing went from like a week or two
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 3: to like four days.
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 1: BBC 157 is very legit. Yeah.
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 3: So anyway, I want to do more in the future.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 3: I'd like to, I kind of want to do it all. Like,
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm fucking, I'm 54, man.
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's why I was asking you, like, what are
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 1: you doing to avoid injuries? Okay.
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 3: So besides that, I do cardio. A couple years ago,
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 3: my first elk hunt, my first elk bow hunt, you know,
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 3: we ride up to like 9,000. feet and then like
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 3: walked up three miles from there. Like, yo, I was
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 3: 280 at one time. That was a fucking hell of
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 3: a walk for a big fat motherfucker up that fucking mountain.
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 3: And then I hunt with these old guys. And then
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 3: the two guys I was with, like two of the
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 3: guys have hearing aids. From guns, right? Huh?
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 1: From guns? I don't know, just older or whatever. Most
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 1: of these guys have their ears blown out.
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're hunters, right? So both of them got hearing aids.
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 3: And the front one looks back to the second one,
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 3: both good friends of mine, and was like, turn your
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 3: hearing aids down so you ain't got to hear and
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 3: breathe so fucking loud. And I'm like, I heard you, motherfucker.
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 1: Fuck you.
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 3: So I told myself I was going to start walking
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 3: 30 minutes a day, and that was fucking hard. And
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 3: then now I do like an hour of cardio. I
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 3: could run, but I don't. But I started again. I
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 3: need to be running a little bit for cardio. I
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 3: treat strength as two different things. I spent about a
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 3: year with 15 pound dumbbells, just like rehabbing motion, movement, joints.
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 3: And it was a lot of fucking pain. And then
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 3: You know, now I'm getting stronger every day. I've been,
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 3: you know, power athlete, big John. But I kind of
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 3: look at strength two different ways. I try to do
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 3: strength days where it's like the traditional squats, deads, like
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 3: all the big ones, push-pulls, all of it, cover it all.
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 3: And then I see it as conditioning as something separate. Right?
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 1: And conditioning would be lighter weight, like CrossFit-like round. Right.
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 1: Without knowing how to say it better. Yeah.
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 3: So, but the steps... Fucking, I'm going to tell you this.
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 3: I'll tell anybody this. You want to fucking start losing weight.
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 3: It starts at 10,000 fucking steps a day. Get your
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 3: ass out there. Start fucking walking. Uh, and then the
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 3: next thing I did is, uh, I went to a
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 3: competition class, um, by Sean's in Tennessee.
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 1: And, uh, I got a diet.
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 3: I got workouts.
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: I got an app.
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 3: I tracked my diet. I did, uh, right before worlds,
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 3: I was at 170 grams of protein.
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 1: 1800 calories a day. You're very strict about it.
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I shredded weight. I cut down. I was
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 3: probably 240. I cut down to 222. I was the
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 3: smallest human being in the fucking 222 because everyone's yoked
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 3: up like fucking madmen.
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 1: And they probably all cut weight, too. Well, my coaches
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 1: were like, you know.
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 3: And I can't believe I even listened to this, but
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 3: they're like, man, it's the 55 bracket.
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 1: Like, it's guys like you. This is their pastime.
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 2:40:05
  Speaker 1: 55 today is not the same.
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 3: Yo, these motherfuckers. This is fucking killer season out at
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 3: this bitch. You know what I mean? Like, I was unprepared.
• 2:40:13
  Speaker 1: Man, I had this big Mongolian motherfucker. You know Edwin Jammy?
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 3: You know Edwin? Edwin Gracie Barra Tarzana, California, right? Edwin's
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 3: like a jujitsu legend.
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 1: He's at Worlds.
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 3: Who's your coach?
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 1: I don't fucking have a coach. It's me, my backpack,
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 1: and a gi. Let's fucking get this fight going, bitch.
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 1: And he's like, well, I'll coach you. And I'm like, okay.
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I don't got a coach.
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 3: And then, like, right before we walk out on the mat,
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 3: he's like, yo, ref, are they the same weight class?
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yo, my man, this is my coach
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 3: right here.
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 1: My man.
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 3: Like, you know what I mean? But, like, this dude
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 3: was fucking huge.
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 1: And he was one of them. Mongolian jacket wrestlers. You've
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 1: done this? Oh, I've seen that.
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 3: I couldn't get the takedown. And then we went down
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 3: on the ground. He hit me with a fucking paper cutter,
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 3: popped my head out, tried to choke me again.
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 1: Fucking got out of it.
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 3: But as I was getting up, I knew I needed
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 3: to keep this guy on the ground. But guess what, man?
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 3: When you get in trouble, guess what you do? You
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 3: stand the fuck up and this dude stand up. And
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 3: I knew I wasn't getting my two points back. And
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 3: then I was just fucking exhausted. Like, I was fucking gassed.
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 1: So you decided to ramp up their conditioning. Yeah.
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, man. This year I'm fucking winning. I'm fucking
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 3: world champion, Joe. I'm the toughest old motherfucker I fucking know.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 3: You know, God damn it. Let's fucking go. I'm going
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 3: to figure this shit out. But I will tell you,
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 3: I think what I didn't know is you got to
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 3: train to compete to compete well. And I fucking fight
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 3: and I want to fight and I want to get
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 3: smashed and I want to fucking, I want to almost
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 3: lose this fight 10 fucking times to finally get that
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 3: fucking submission on you. And that's a great fight to me.
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 3: And like, yo, yeah, yeah. You just lost 13 points
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 3: on that. And then if you don't get the submission,
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 3: you just lost 13 points on that.
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, so it's a, it's
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 1: a different animal treating it like the sport versus what
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 1: you get out of it.
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I'll tell you, this is like, I probably
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 3: could have changed the match if I would have pulled
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 3: guard around three minutes in. I ain't never pulled guard
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 3: in my fucking life. Like, what kind of fucking asshole
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 3: pulls fucking guard? Well, I figured it out. I'll tell
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 3: you what kind of asshole. When you can't take a
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 3: bigger motherfucker down, this is maybe what pulling guard's for. Or,
• 2:42:26
  Speaker 3: in the real world, walk.
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 1: The fuck away before you fucking just get fucking smashed
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 1: out here.
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Thinking you're something you ain't.
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 1: Do you spend a lot of time practicing off your back?
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 1: Cause a lot of times with big guys, they don't like.
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 1: I'll start there. Fucking get my neck.
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 3: Let's go. You can't take, I will give you my
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 3: back just to fucking get out.
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck, man. That's great. That's great.
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 1: I always like, honestly, when I, when.
• 2:42:51
  Speaker 3: I'm like, when I'm just at the dojo, like girls
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 3: or smaller people. Right. I try not to smash them.
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 3: And I'll tell them like, Hey, if I get on top,
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 3: just fucking sweep me. Right. Stay on top of me
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 3: the whole time. And I just fucking let them go
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 3: at me.
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just pretend that I'm weak. When I
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 1: would roll with someone who's weak, I would pretend I'm weak.
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 1: I think that's the best way to do it. No strength.
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 1: I'm never going to use strength. Hickson always said that
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 1: defense was more important than anything. He said, I am
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 1: always safe. No matter where I am, I am always safe. Defense.
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 3: Hey, your Hickson is great, by the way.
• 2:43:29
  Speaker 1: Have you seen Choke? Have you seen the documentary?
• 2:43:31
  Speaker 3: I have not seen Choke, but I just finished his
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 3: new book. the dark one dark dark hickson came out
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 3: with a new book i just i just audio book
• 2:43:41
  Speaker 3: because he's got parkinson's now yeah but uh you know
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 3: he's got the breathe book but he just came out
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 3: with a new one i just listened to it like
• 2:43:47
  Speaker 3: last week you know.
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 1: What i mean yeah but uh you gotta watch choke
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 1: i got to one of the greatest documentaries of all
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 1: time i know i've heard for a martial artist incredible
• 2:43:56
  Speaker 1: it's hickson in his prime competing in japan valley tudor
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 1: and just you see him training and Doing his yoga
• 2:44:02
  Speaker 1: and all the crazy breathing shit where his stomach sucks
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 1: up inside of him. I don't even know how to
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 1: do that. Yeah.
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 3: When he was testing me for my purple belt, he
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 3: was like, yes.
• 2:44:14
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 3: When I lay on the ground, I am flat. He's like,
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 3: when you lay on the ground... you are not flat.
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 3: You should roll more. I'm like, are you, I know
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 3: you know enough English just to call me fucking fat.
• 2:44:30
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 3: But God damn it. Yeah, I should roll. Yeah. And he's,
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 3: he's showing me like rolls from side control, getting out
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 3: of stuff because I am more around than I am flat.
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 3: And it's kind of like, you know, fat guy should
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 3: roll more.
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 1: It's hard to stop, you know what I mean?
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 3: Like, so he had, there's some real fucking wisdom in there.
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? But it's like, I always
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 3: like how like they know enough English to insult you,
• 2:44:52
  Speaker 3: but they'll say it like their way. You know what
• 2:44:54
  Speaker 3: I mean? Yes.
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 1: It's just being practical.
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:44:57
  Speaker 1: No, it's just real talk. And that's what he does. Yeah.
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 1: It's pretty cool getting your purple belt from that guy.
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 3: I am the only person.
• 2:45:05
  Speaker 1: So, okay.
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 3: I had to do the paperwork. You know, there's other
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 3: like big time Hicks and black belts out there that
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 3: kind of police up all everybody. So when you go
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 3: to worlds or you fight, you know, like these guys
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 3: and they told me they would have, they'd get me
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 3: under their paperwork, but literally I did the paperwork with
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 3: IBJJF and I sent it to Hickson and he filled
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 3: out the paperwork. But like, I didn't know, I sent
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 3: him the paperwork and it's like one of them forms
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 3: where you just sign it with your finger on your phone,
• 2:45:32
  Speaker 3: like super easy. I sent it to Hickson. I was like,
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 3: Hey coach, we got a form, we got a sign.
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 3: And he's not, he's not a member of any of
• 2:45:40
  Speaker 3: these organizations anymore. So like, I didn't know how this
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 3: would go. And they're like, sent me a fucking paper copy.
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 3: And I like have Mr. Gracie sign this signature. Right.
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 3: So I, I text it to Hicks and I'm like,
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 3: Hey coach, can you sign my paperwork for worlds real quick?
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 3: And he texted me right back. And he's like, Hey champ,
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 3: I'm looking for a printer. Now, as soon as I
• 2:46:01
  Speaker 3: find one, I'll sign this. And I was just thinking, Fuck,
• 2:46:05
  Speaker 3: I don't even know who's got a printer. I don't
• 2:46:06
  Speaker 3: even have a printer in my fucking house. Like, if
• 2:46:08
  Speaker 3: Hickson's looking for a printer, I think he just told
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 3: me no.
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:46:12
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right.
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 1: Like, fuck.
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 3: And then, like, a couple days later, he sent it
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 3: back to me signed, right? I think probably his wife
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 3: was like, oh.
• 2:46:19
  Speaker 1: Hickson, yeah, look.
• 2:46:20
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I just didn't think, I
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 3: think he kind of didn't know. But he got back
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 3: to me, and then they sent me, I had to
• 2:46:27
  Speaker 3: do this a few times. And then I was the
• 2:46:30
  Speaker 3: only guy, I'm the only belted guy fighting under Hickson
• 2:46:33
  Speaker 3: in Masters right now.
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 1: That's pretty fucking cool. Yeah.
• 2:46:37
  Speaker 3: And then I would say this for jujitsu for me
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 3: is like, I'm so glad it is where it is
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 3: these days. Because back in the day, I mean, think
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 3: about this. Back in the day, I travel all the time.
• 2:46:48
  Speaker 3: I'm in a different dojo fucking weekly. You know, I
• 2:46:52
  Speaker 3: might be here for four days. I try to get
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 3: three days of jits. I'm in fucking Waco. I'm going
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 3: to fucking places. I've been in 26 different dojos this year,
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 3: like doing jits. Back in the day, that was fucking criante.
• 2:47:03
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:47:04
  Speaker 3: Fucking monsters in Portuguese.
• 2:47:06
  Speaker 1: Right. Because you don't have no loyalty. You don't have
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 1: no fucking. And the reality is like, yeah, I'm just
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 1: never home.
• 2:47:13
  Speaker 3: Right. I don't want to be unloyal to anybody. I'm
• 2:47:16
  Speaker 3: loyal to everybody, but I just want to get rounds.
• 2:47:18
  Speaker 3: And I'm so glad to do jits. world is so
• 2:47:21
  Speaker 3: fucking welcoming these days. Meaning like, like I don't have
• 2:47:26
  Speaker 3: to show up and fight. Right.
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 1: Much more open minded. They're happy to welcome people from
• 2:47:30
  Speaker 1: other schools.
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 3: The only, the only, the only person that was like,
• 2:47:34
  Speaker 3: why are you here was a cyborg at fight sports.
• 2:47:37
  Speaker 1: Oh really? Yeah.
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 3: You know, cyborg.
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 1: He's great.
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 3: And you know, you know, Roosevelt, you know, Roosevelt, the
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 3: tall guy that hangs out with him.
• 2:47:44
  Speaker 1: I don't. Tallest black belt I ever seen. Tallest Brazilian
• 2:47:48
  Speaker 1: I ever seen.
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  Speaker 3: Right. So he's one of the black belts down there with, uh, with,
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 3: with him, with cyborg. And, um, I'm out there and
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 3: I'm like, at the time I was blue belt, you
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? And I was probably, I don't know,
• 2:48:00
  Speaker 3: two 50. I was kind of fat and like fight
• 2:48:03
  Speaker 3: sports is like old school Brazilian jujitsu where we're going
• 2:48:07
  Speaker 3: to shrimp across the mat.
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 1: We do fucking all this.
• 2:48:10
  Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck if you lose in jujitsu today,
• 2:48:12
  Speaker 3: but you're going to be tough.
• 2:48:13
  Speaker 1: Right. So it's that kind of shit. And that's how
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 1: Carlson Gracie's was.
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 1: Before you even got to the class, you were fucking exhausted. Yeah.
• 2:48:20
  Speaker 1: The class hasn't started yet. Right.
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 3: So I'm out on the mat. I'm breathing hard. I'm
• 2:48:23
  Speaker 3: just kind of doing my thing. And, uh, Roosevelt the
• 2:48:26
  Speaker 3: big tall black belt comes over and he was like
• 2:48:28
  Speaker 3: man he's like you are my inspiration I'm like I
• 2:48:32
  Speaker 3: am coach I'm your inspiration he's like yes he's like
• 2:48:36
  Speaker 3: you are out here you are doing this man he
• 2:48:39
  Speaker 3: was like you are everyone's inspiration and I'm looking around
• 2:48:42
  Speaker 3: and like everyone's rolling like and then and then like
• 2:48:46
  Speaker 3: everyone stops because like he's talking to me you know
• 2:48:49
  Speaker 3: what I mean and like now everyone's looking at me
• 2:48:51
  Speaker 3: and I'm like what in.
• 2:48:52
  Speaker 1: The fuck is going on right and So he was like,
• 2:48:55
  Speaker 1: you are here. You are doing this. You are old.
• 2:48:59
  Speaker 3: You are my inspiration. And I'm like, thanks coach. I
• 2:49:03
  Speaker 3: was like, and then like, I didn't need a break,
• 2:49:06
  Speaker 3: but I was like, fuck after that talk, maybe I
• 2:49:08
  Speaker 3: do need a break. So I was like, maybe I
• 2:49:09
  Speaker 3: do need a break coach. And he was like, okay,
• 2:49:12
  Speaker 3: fix your gi. So I fixed my gi. I tie
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 3: my belt. He's like, run laps around the practice until
• 2:49:17
  Speaker 3: you're ready to practice again. It was like, man, that's
• 2:49:20
  Speaker 3: fucking worse. I wasn't, I didn't even need the fucking break.
• 2:49:23
  Speaker 3: And he gave me the old speech. So I agreed.
• 2:49:25
  Speaker 3: And then like, and then I had a run lap.
• 2:49:27
  Speaker 3: I thought that was more embarrassing running laps around everybody.
• 2:49:30
  Speaker 1: Right. But like.
• 2:49:31
  Speaker 3: Like when he said he wanted to give me a break,
• 2:49:33
  Speaker 3: like the fucking breaks is like screech to a halt.
• 2:49:37
  Speaker 1: Everybody was like, did he just say, wait, does that.
• 2:49:39
  Speaker 3: Guy, why the fuck does that guy get a break?
• 2:49:41
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah. And yeah.
• 2:49:44
  Speaker 3: And then, and Cyberg came up to me and, um,
• 2:49:47
  Speaker 3: they didn't, I didn't have a gi yet. I hadn't
• 2:49:50
  Speaker 3: bought a gi and I hadn't found a gi that
• 2:49:52
  Speaker 3: fit me. So I had, I just bought a gi,
• 2:49:55
  Speaker 3: but I only had a white belt. Right. I, Oh,
• 2:49:57
  Speaker 3: I got the gi at Gracie Raleigh, my home dojo, right?
• 2:50:01
  Speaker 3: And then they only had a white belt. So I
• 2:50:02
  Speaker 3: had a white belt. So I was white belting it,
• 2:50:04
  Speaker 3: but really I was a blue belt. So, and when
• 2:50:06
  Speaker 3: it came to rolling, Cyborg is like, who are.
• 2:50:09
  Speaker 1: You, man? I'm like, coach. And he's like, who are you, man?
• 2:50:13
  Speaker 1: Who are you? I thought you were like a spy.
• 2:50:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:50:15
  Speaker 1: He's like, why are you here?
• 2:50:16
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, I just, I just, well, my brother
• 2:50:19
  Speaker 3: lives here, coach. And I called ahead of time and
• 2:50:21
  Speaker 3: I asked if I could come do jujitsu. I'm just
• 2:50:23
  Speaker 3: trying to get a couple days while I'm on the road.
• 2:50:26
  Speaker 3: He's like, man, you are no white belt.
• 2:50:28
  Speaker 1: Who are you? What are you doing here?
• 2:50:30
  Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I'm actually a blue belt coach.
• 2:50:33
  Speaker 1: And he was like, why didn't you?
• 2:50:34
  Speaker 3: And then they got a wall of like old belts,
• 2:50:36
  Speaker 3: which is like the coolest thing I ever fucking seen.
• 2:50:39
  Speaker 1: Like I'm Just a hundred, just.
• 2:50:41
  Speaker 3: Old, different, all kinds of belts.
• 2:50:43
  Speaker 1: It's fucking cool as fuck, my opinion.
• 2:50:44
  Speaker 3: But he was like, why didn't you get one off
• 2:50:46
  Speaker 3: the extra belt? And I was like, well, you didn't
• 2:50:49
  Speaker 3: have one coach. And he, he thinks for a second,
• 2:50:51
  Speaker 3: he was like, you are right. There's not one your
• 2:50:54
  Speaker 3: size on the wall. And I was like, holy fuck.
• 2:50:56
  Speaker 3: There's a ton of belts there for him to even
• 2:50:58
  Speaker 3: know that. Cause I went through all of them and
• 2:51:00
  Speaker 3: couldn't fit one, you know? And he was like, okay.
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 1: So he was just concerned that you were sandbagging or
• 2:51:05
  Speaker 1: trying to get information.
• 2:51:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. But they were great with me.
• 2:51:09
  Speaker 3: Like shout out to Cyborg and Roosevelt.
• 2:51:12
  Speaker 1: Hard dudes. Yeah.
• 2:51:13
  Speaker 3: They're fucking, they're hard down there.
• 2:51:15
  Speaker 1: Ragnar Rocha, all those guys down there.
• 2:51:17
  Speaker 3: But I've been in 26, I think 26 dojos this year, man.
• 2:51:20
  Speaker 1: That's wild. So you're all in. I'm all in, man.
• 2:51:24
  Speaker 1: I'm in all the time.
• 2:51:25
  Speaker 3: And then like, so one of the things is like,
• 2:51:27
  Speaker 3: I can only go to Hickson to get promoted because
• 2:51:30
  Speaker 3: I'm never in one dojo long enough to, like, earn
• 2:51:34
  Speaker 3: a stripe or earn a... So I think it's like a.
• 2:51:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:51:39
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm fortunate of where I am.
• 2:51:42
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:51:43
  Speaker 3: And then, honestly, the reason I went to Hickson is
• 2:51:45
  Speaker 3: because I could.
• 2:51:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:51:47
  Speaker 3: And I figured if I need to be tested for
• 2:51:50
  Speaker 3: a belt.
• 2:51:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, who else should test me? You know what
• 2:51:54
  Speaker 1: I mean? When you get your black belt, you get
• 2:51:55
  Speaker 1: a black belt from Hickson. It's like, there's very few
• 2:51:57
  Speaker 1: black belts that hold that kind of weight.
• 2:51:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:52:00
  Speaker 1: There's like Henzo Hickson. Yeah. Jean-Jacques Machado. There's a few
• 2:52:04
  Speaker 1: of those like old school legendary belts. Yeah.
• 2:52:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:52:08
  Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. Megaton Diaz. It's like a few of those
• 2:52:11
  Speaker 1: legendary old school belts, you know?
• 2:52:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:52:14
  Speaker 1: Pedro Sauer. Hegan.
• 2:52:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:52:16
  Speaker 1: Hegan.
• 2:52:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:52:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I love Hegan. I know.
• 2:52:18
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 2:52:19
  Speaker 1: I actually was Hegan's corner guy when he was in
• 2:52:23
  Speaker 1: Abu Dhabi in 2003. You were? Yelling his time out. Yeah,
• 2:52:26
  Speaker 1: because I was there with Eddie Bravo. Oh, yeah, that's right.
• 2:52:29
  Speaker 1: We all trained at the Machados, so I know Hegan.
• 2:52:31
  Speaker 1: And Hegan's like, my friend, do the time for me.
• 2:52:36
  Speaker 1: He was kind of out of shape, but he's still
• 2:52:37
  Speaker 1: fucking people up. But he wanted to know, tell me
• 2:52:40
  Speaker 1: when there's a minute to go so I can really
• 2:52:42
  Speaker 1: fucking hit the gas. I'm going to coast for a
• 2:52:45
  Speaker 1: little bit and then decide when to go. Yeah, I
• 2:52:48
  Speaker 1: love it.
• 2:52:49
  Speaker 3: I call it fat guy jiu-jitsu, and I think people
• 2:52:53
  Speaker 3: are shocked when I say that term. But really, it's
• 2:52:56
  Speaker 3: like the, I don't know, the Danaher ageless stuff. There's
• 2:53:01
  Speaker 3: stuff that bigger guys, less athletic, are going to have
• 2:53:05
  Speaker 3: to do because they can't do a flying whatever.
• 2:53:08
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:53:10
  Speaker 3: I love his smash game. I went to the Machado camp.
• 2:53:15
  Speaker 3: It was him, Roger, Carlos... And John, uh, John Machado.
• 2:53:20
  Speaker 3: I love that guy too.
• 2:53:21
  Speaker 1: You know, John, uh, he carries, he carries condom holsters. Nice.
• 2:53:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:53:25
  Speaker 1: He's great, man.
• 2:53:26
  Speaker 3: Um, but I went to their summer camp and I
• 2:53:28
  Speaker 3: was like, Hey, can I get a picture? And like,
• 2:53:30
  Speaker 3: he was sitting on the couch and Carlos is like,
• 2:53:33
  Speaker 3: you know, typical bigger brother shit. Get the fuck up.
• 2:53:35
  Speaker 1: You're lazy. Kind of dogging him.
• 2:53:37
  Speaker 3: So I was like, I was like, you don't have
• 2:53:39
  Speaker 3: to get up coach. So I sat on his lap
• 2:53:41
  Speaker 3: and he was like, what the fuck?
• 2:53:42
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious. But yeah.
• 2:53:46
  Speaker 3: Uh, I went to a Machado camp this year. I
• 2:53:49
  Speaker 3: spent a lot of time with Rafael Lovato.
• 2:53:51
  Speaker 1: I love that dude.
• 2:53:52
  Speaker 3: That guy's a fucking legend.
• 2:53:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he is.
• 2:53:55
  Speaker 3: He is. I got invited to Felipe Acosta's kind of
• 2:53:58
  Speaker 3: an affiliate training with Rafael. Like, shout out to Rafael.
• 2:54:03
  Speaker 3: He's a fucking amazing. Every one of his black belts
• 2:54:05
  Speaker 3: gave me time. And then Felipe.
• 2:54:10
  Speaker 1: Acosta, like.
• 2:54:12
  Speaker 3: Just fucking next level, man. And look, it gives me
• 2:54:15
  Speaker 3: hope as an old guy. Like I know I'm 55
• 2:54:17
  Speaker 3: and I know I want to win the fucking 55
• 2:54:19
  Speaker 3: year old bracket, but why the fuck do I need
• 2:54:23
  Speaker 3: to be in the 55 year old bracket?
• 2:54:25
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? If my jujitsu is good enough,
• 2:54:27
  Speaker 1: I should be able to fight anyone.
• 2:54:28
  Speaker 3: Right. And that's what gives me hope of fucking carrying
• 2:54:31
  Speaker 3: on that one day. Like, cause I know all I
• 2:54:33
  Speaker 3: do is fight these young guys and yeah, sure. They
• 2:54:36
  Speaker 3: beat me right now, but like, you know, how many
• 2:54:39
  Speaker 3: times did Helio get crushed?
• 2:54:41
  Speaker 1: Right. You know what I'm saying?
• 2:54:42
  Speaker 3: So like, it's the beauty of jujitsu is the age
• 2:54:46
  Speaker 3: should be fucking the least in this equation. You know
• 2:54:49
  Speaker 3: what I mean? So that's kind of where I stand.
• 2:54:51
  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you, man, anytime someone can fucking put
• 2:54:55
  Speaker 3: it to me where I'm about to go down, I
• 2:54:57
  Speaker 3: couldn't be fucking happier, man. I had this black belt
• 2:54:59
  Speaker 3: the other day out of nowhere, just fucking smash me.
• 2:55:04
  Speaker 3: And like, and then he lets, I tap, he lets
• 2:55:07
  Speaker 3: me up and I just got the biggest smile on
• 2:55:09
  Speaker 3: my face. And he was like, looking at me and
• 2:55:12
  Speaker 3: I was like, that was fucking amazing coach. I was like,
• 2:55:15
  Speaker 3: you ain't never smashed.
• 2:55:16
  Speaker 1: Me like that.
• 2:55:17
  Speaker 3: Right. And he, he just kind of looking at me
• 2:55:20
  Speaker 3: and just fucking tackled him again.
• 2:55:21
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 2:55:22
  Speaker 3: Fucking went right back to smashing me. You know what
• 2:55:24
  Speaker 3: I mean?
• 2:55:25
  Speaker 1: Like, uh, I just.
• 2:55:26
  Speaker 3: Fucking love it, man.
• 2:55:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the best attitude for learning. There's no better.
• 2:55:29
  Speaker 3: Well, I, as a human being, I need to learn
• 2:55:32
  Speaker 3: something every day.
• 2:55:33
  Speaker 1: I think you're the same way in a lot of ways.
• 2:55:35
  Speaker 1: Like I don't care what it is. It's good for you. Yeah,
• 2:55:37
  Speaker 1: I do too.
• 2:55:38
  Speaker 3: I think it keeps your brain healthy.
• 2:55:39
  Speaker 1: 100%. I think it keeps Alzheimer, fucking all that bullshit away. Yeah,
• 2:55:44
  Speaker 1: I think that's why people get old. It's one of
• 2:55:46
  Speaker 1: the reasons other than your body failing is your mind
• 2:55:48
  Speaker 1: gets old. Yeah. You're not stimulating it. Yeah, for real, right? John,
• 2:55:52
  Speaker 1: this is a fucking awesome conversation. Thanks, man. I really
• 2:55:54
  Speaker 1: appreciate it.
• 2:55:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:55:55
  Speaker 1: I had a great time. Yeah, thank you. And I
• 2:55:57
  Speaker 1: can't wait to read your book.
• 2:55:58
  Speaker 3: So, okay. I'm going to get some rounds in the
• 2:56:01
  Speaker 3: future when you're healthy.
• 2:56:02
  Speaker 1: Yes. All right.
• 2:56:04
  Speaker 3: I'd love to get some rounds with you.
• 2:56:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 2:56:06
  Speaker 3: I definitely want to come back. Kill Tony last night.
• 2:56:10
  Speaker 3: Fucking amazing.
• 2:56:11
  Speaker 1: It's like bucket list for me. You can come to
• 2:56:12
  Speaker 1: the club anytime you want.
• 2:56:13
  Speaker 3: Man, I couldn't thank you enough. Like, I know I
• 2:56:16
  Speaker 3: came here yesterday. Not a big deal to me, right? Because, like, yo,
• 2:56:20
  Speaker 3: I got to kill Tony out of this deal. Like,
• 2:56:22
  Speaker 3: last night was fucking funny, man. This guy told a
• 2:56:25
  Speaker 3: joke last night. The funniest fucking joke I think I
• 2:56:29
  Speaker 3: ever heard in my life. I don't know if I
• 2:56:31
  Speaker 3: could say.
• 2:56:31
  Speaker 1: It or not. Who was it? I don't know. What
• 2:56:33
  Speaker 1: did he look like?
• 2:56:34
  Speaker 3: There was a guy, just kind of a shorter guy,
• 2:56:37
  Speaker 3: a white guy, beard, and he just read jokes. He
• 2:56:41
  Speaker 3: just said like random jokes.
• 2:56:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, it was one of the bucket poles? Yeah, as
• 2:56:45
  Speaker 1: a bucket pole guy. Oh, okay, cool.
• 2:56:46
  Speaker 3: And then like, he said this joke. You want to
• 2:56:48
  Speaker 3: hear it?
• 2:56:48
  Speaker 1: Sure. Okay.
• 2:56:51
  Speaker 3: This is the fucking funniest thing I heard in a
• 2:56:53
  Speaker 3: long time. Why don't police have turtles as pets?
• 2:56:59
  Speaker 1: Why? Because you can't kneel on their neck.
• 2:57:01
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my fucking God. Like next level
• 2:57:10
  Speaker 3: right there.
• 2:57:11
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, brother, anytime you want to come to the club,
• 2:57:13
  Speaker 1: more than welcome. Thank you very much for being here. Oh, man, anytime.
• 2:57:16
  Speaker 1: It was a great conversation. I really enjoyed it. Thanks
• 2:57:18
  Speaker 1: for all the swag. Thanks for letting me hold the
• 2:57:20
  Speaker 1: evil hat. Yeah, yeah. Well, I got to put it
• 2:57:22
  Speaker 1: back in its box. If people want to find you online, sheriffofbagdad.com.
• 2:57:26
  Speaker 3: Sheriff of Baghdad, SOB Tactical, either one will get you
• 2:57:30
  Speaker 3: to me. You type in Sheriff of Baghdad and a
• 2:57:34
  Speaker 3: ton of shit of me pops up.
• 2:57:35
  Speaker 1: And someone, whoever the publisher is, will hop on it.
• 2:57:39
  Speaker 1: Hit me up. I'm sure that book's insane. All right.
• 2:57:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, brother.
• 2:57:43
  Speaker 3: Appreciate you.
• 2:57:44
  Speaker 1: All right. Bye, everybody.