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Friday 4pm hour 06/05/26 · Ron Verb

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  Speaker 1: 570 WKVN.
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  Speaker 2: It's 406 in the afternoon. News Radio 570 WKVN. All right.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm going back to just when you're talking about
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  Speaker 2: the whole situation. Here's what my problem is with it.
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  Speaker 2: I ask everybody this. Where do you think we would
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  Speaker 2: be economically in our country if he hadn't done any
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  Speaker 2: of this?
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  Speaker 3: We'd have been doing good.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, gas prices were below $ 3 a gallon. Inflation
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  Speaker 2: was going down by doing by Trump doing this. And
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  Speaker 2: I believe talked into it. I don't know why he
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  Speaker 2: reversed himself. And I just don't get it. He reversed
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  Speaker 2: all the progress that he was making. We have inflation
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  Speaker 2: is back. High energy prices are back. There's all of
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  Speaker 2: this speculation that oil prices could go up. NASDAQ drops 4% today.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the Dow's down big time today. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of uncertainty as a result of all of this.
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  Speaker 2: Uncertainty on will there be an actual oil shortage? And
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  Speaker 2: there already is in parts of the world. But will
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  Speaker 2: it be in the United States? Will oil prices go
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  Speaker 2: beyond $ 120 a barrel? What does that do to inflation?
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  Speaker 2: So by doing all of this, have you destroyed... You
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  Speaker 2: were elected for affordability. You were elected to fix the economy...
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  Speaker 2: All the Republicans were. The Democrats were thrown out to
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  Speaker 2: fix the economy because of the pain everyone was feeling. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you've destroyed all of your progress, and now we're right
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  Speaker 2: back to the same position and worse, same position and worse,
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  Speaker 2: when they threw the Democrats out. And believe me, I
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  Speaker 2: would never vote for the Democrats. I mean, to say, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to throw out the Republicans and vote for
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats, well, that's foolish because they still have the
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  Speaker 2: wacky social agenda and their economics are just god-awful. But traditionally,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, people just seem to vote economically and
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  Speaker 2: they say, okay, if things aren't going well, I vote
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  Speaker 2: for the opposing party, even if the opposing party brought
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  Speaker 2: you the inflation and They just vote for the opposing
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  Speaker 2: party and they'll say, well, this war and all this
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And so now you're right back to
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  Speaker 2: the lunatics being in charge of Congress or the Senate.
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  Speaker 2: And now everything stalled for two years and he gets
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  Speaker 2: nothing more done. So my question is, is it worth it?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is it all worth it when you... Destroy–
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  Speaker 2: when you affect the American economy for the worse, I
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  Speaker 2: just don't– in my mind, I can't say none of
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  Speaker 2: this was worth this if you lose the midterms, if
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  Speaker 2: you put these lunatics back, give them control of Congress
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  Speaker 2: or the Senate, if inflation continues to go up, or
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  Speaker 2: if oil scarcity or– And it's not just oil. It's
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  Speaker 2: all this other stuff, too, that they're talking about. Fertilizer.
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  Speaker 2: It is just an absolute mess. It is a mess.
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  Speaker 2: And he is to blame for that. He can't blame
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  Speaker 2: anyone else. It was his decision. And I don't think
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  Speaker 2: they have a way out.
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  Speaker 3: Let me give you my view, how I feel about this.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to say it's worth it right now, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to explain to you why. All the bombs
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  Speaker 3: that we have, Russia, China, Pakistan, Great Britain, North Korea,
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  Speaker 3: supposedly now Israel, you can go on and on. We're
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  Speaker 3: in a bubble right now. We're in a nucleus with
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  Speaker 3: all these superpowers right now. Now, just hear me out
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  Speaker 3: real quick, and I'll get off the phone. We're all
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  Speaker 3: in this circle. We all have these bombs. What's the
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  Speaker 3: purpose of these bombs? The purpose is to make sure
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  Speaker 3: we never have another World War II. We don't want
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  Speaker 3: another real war. So these bombs neutralizes everything. I hate
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  Speaker 3: the bombs. I wish they'd get rid of them. But
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  Speaker 3: we have them to keep everything at... We try to
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  Speaker 3: keep everything at peace. Now, you've got this country outside
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  Speaker 3: the nucleus of the circle. It's Iran. They've been saying
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  Speaker 3: that to America for over 47 years now.
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: They want the bomb. Let's say they get the bomb.
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  Speaker 3: They're the type of people... If you've ever seen a movie,
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  Speaker 3: Some of All Affairs... It makes a perfect example. The
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  Speaker 3: guy is a Nazi. They want the nuclear bomb. Blame Russia,
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  Speaker 3: the bomb. The United States is a great movie. Iran,
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  Speaker 3: they hate Christians. They hate. They want their religion. What
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  Speaker 3: makes you think they wouldn't nuke another country? Forget Israel.
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  Speaker 3: So then we can nuke, and then everybody starts nuking everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Iran cannot have the bomb.
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  Speaker 1: And you're right.
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  Speaker 3: The economy is crap right now. But there's a reason
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  Speaker 3: for everything, and this man is trying to stop this
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  Speaker 3: evil country from getting a bomb, where nobody even attempted
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  Speaker 3: to try to stop him from getting a bomb. Nobody.
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  Speaker 3: No president of the United States, Russia, China, nobody did.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that this... just suffered us out.
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  Speaker 3: There's a reason for everything, and I agree with you.
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  Speaker 3: The economy is.
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  Speaker 2: Horrible right now. Then you're going to have to ask yourself, ultimately,
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  Speaker 2: is it worth it? Was Iran a threat to the
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  Speaker 2: United States? I don't believe it was a nuclear threat.
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  Speaker 2: And I think Iran knows that... that if they would
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  Speaker 2: attempt anything like that, they would be wiped out in
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  Speaker 2: the blink of an eye when it comes to the
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  Speaker 2: United States. Now, hang on a second. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not in a rush with you here. I said on
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  Speaker 2: previous programs, I think it was John Kennedy, might have
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  Speaker 2: been Robert Kennedy, that said for you to understand what's
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  Speaker 2: going on, you have to understand your enemy. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: you have to, you can't look at it from here,
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  Speaker 2: but you have to understand your enemy to understand the
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  Speaker 2: whole situation. So their argument's going to be, well, wait
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  Speaker 2: a minute. First of all, we're our own country. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to give you their argument. We're our own country.
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  Speaker 2: We're 93 million people. You're not going to tell us
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  Speaker 2: what to do. We're not a state of the United States.
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  Speaker 2: We're concerned because Israel has a nuclear weapon. So we
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  Speaker 2: want to have one as a deterrent, too. I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to give you the Kennedy philosophy, if you will. So
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  Speaker 2: they're saying, we want to have one that's a deterrent
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  Speaker 2: to prevent Israel from nuking us. Now, the conversation that
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  Speaker 2: you hear about nuking these days is about concern of
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  Speaker 2: Israel nuking Iran, or some people thinking the United States
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  Speaker 2: should nuke Iran. So I don't necessarily agree with any
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  Speaker 2: of this stuff. I mean, I think the bunker buster
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  Speaker 2: was effective. I wasn't the least bit concerned about them
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  Speaker 2: with a nuclear weapon in the United States. At all,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't concerned about it. I think a lot of
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  Speaker 2: this was brought on by Israel. And I just think
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  Speaker 2: the entire situation is getting worse. You have countries now
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  Speaker 2: that want American bases out of there. So this coalition
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  Speaker 2: in the Middle East and in many of these places
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  Speaker 2: are saying, take your stuff and get out.
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  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 3: The United States should pull out then.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. Exactly right. But, okay, so with all
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  Speaker 2: of this being said, and now you go back home.
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  Speaker 2: I do believe in America first. And I think it's
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  Speaker 2: an easy thing to say, oh, it's all worth it.
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  Speaker 2: Is it worth it to say all the progress that
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  Speaker 2: was made has been erased on affordability? You can really
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  Speaker 2: lose the midterms as a result of this. Many things
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  Speaker 2: can happen between then and now. You can potentially lose
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  Speaker 2: the midterms. And now you're not going to get a
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  Speaker 2: damn thing done for two years because you're not in
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  Speaker 2: charge of anything. So all the stuff that you did
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  Speaker 2: will be wiped out in the blink of an eye.
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  Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so is your life going to be better?
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  Speaker 3: Well, if Israel had a going opportunity, if they wanted
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  Speaker 3: a new guy ran, they could have did it October 7th.
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  Speaker 3: Because they weren't bothering nobody, and they got invaded.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I've also heard that this debate take place, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I listened to it. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what the reality is. There are those people who argue,
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  Speaker 2: did they let this happen because the most secure border
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  Speaker 2: in the world is Israel with the most secure surveillance
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  Speaker 2: there ever is? How did something like this happen? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is what critics are saying.
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  Speaker 3: I don't hear the critics say they're wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I'm just saying. This is what
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  Speaker 2: folks are saying. You've got to analyze everything to say, listen,
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  Speaker 2: is the United States citizen better off today as a
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  Speaker 2: result of this? And the answer to me is no.
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  Speaker 2: I say yes.
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  Speaker 3: Because there's no way they'd get the bombs. And we're
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  Speaker 3: in bad shape financially. I get it. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: go 50-50 on you. I agree with you. The economy sucks.
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  Speaker 3: But we're better off now than we were before he
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  Speaker 3: bombed that bunker. So I agree with you 50% and 50%
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  Speaker 3: percent ron i don't i'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: What's all right that's america you're allowed to.
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  Speaker 3: Disagree you know i agree with you a lot but
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  Speaker 3: in this situation right i.
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  Speaker 2: Mean i just don't think i i don't think we've
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  Speaker 2: ever been very successful i can't think of how we've
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  Speaker 2: been very successful with an air campaign on defeating an
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  Speaker 2: enemy Let me.
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  Speaker 3: Ask you a question. I'll get off the phone because
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  Speaker 3: I've been on too long. I'm going to be science fiction.
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  Speaker 3: Let's say North Korea came into California and slaughtered 1,000 people.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think we're going to do?
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  Speaker 2: Well, of course, the United States would react to that
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  Speaker 2: because it's an attack on your homeland.
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  Speaker 3: But look what Hamas did to Israel.
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  Speaker 2: That's between Israel and Hamas. That's not between the United States.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't attack the United States. How do I put it?
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  Speaker 2: Was Vietnam successful for us?
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  Speaker 3: The politicians got in the middle of that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care. The politicians are still in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of it now.
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  Speaker 3: Many Americans lost their lives over that because of politics.
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  Speaker 2: What about Afghanistan? What about any of these regime changes
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  Speaker 2: that Victoria Nuland did in the Middle East? They've been disasters.
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  Speaker 3: Afghanistan could have been done differently, and I agree with
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  Speaker 3: you on that. But Joe Biden got out of there
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  Speaker 3: the wrong way.
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  Speaker 2: I agree. But remember, Trump wanted out of there, too.
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  Speaker 2: But he would have done it differently, I'm convinced. But
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  Speaker 2: they were going to leave. So everybody was going to
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  Speaker 2: leave there. So what was the point?
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  Speaker 3: It's a sad situation right now.
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  Speaker 2: Right. All right.
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  Speaker 3: So take care, Ron.
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  Speaker 2: All right. I mean, it's a fair debate to have.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sorry. I just wasn't up at night
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  Speaker 2: sweating Iran and nuclear weapons. It seemed to me the
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  Speaker 2: bunker buster was pretty effective when they did it, and
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  Speaker 2: they said it was pretty effective. So what are you
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  Speaker 2: worried about? I mean, it was basically, you know, mission accomplished. But,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, things are strange these days. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: just strange. As I say, I voted for Trump. You
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  Speaker 2: always got to say it because you got the mega cult.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know any president I agree with 100% of
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  Speaker 2: the time on everything. But it doesn't mean he isn't
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  Speaker 2: doing a good job. He's a much better choice than
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  Speaker 2: any of the Democrats. Yes. And I can't vote for
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  Speaker 2: any of the Democrats. But unfortunately, I think some of
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  Speaker 2: the fallout from this means that if the Democrats vote
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  Speaker 2: for the Democrats and the independents vote for the Democrats
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  Speaker 2: or people say, I can't take this, the financial burden
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  Speaker 2: that's happening to me, and they vote for change, as
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  Speaker 2: people traditionally do. Remember, Carville said it's economy stupid, and
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  Speaker 2: it is. It's what brought Trump and the Republicans to power.
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  Speaker 2: So the same thing can happen in the next election.
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  Speaker 2: Don't think you're immune from that same basic philosophy when
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  Speaker 2: people say, are you better off today than you were
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  Speaker 2: a few years ago? And they're going to say no.
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  Speaker 2: How many variables are there? I mean, who knows what
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  Speaker 2: could happen a week from now, a month from now.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I would like to see this thing come
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  Speaker 2: to a conclusion, but if it continues to drag on,
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  Speaker 2: I do think that there will be serious oil issues
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  Speaker 2: and serious inflation issues as this drags on. So, we
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  Speaker 2: shall see. You know, we It's all very, very odd,
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing. You're on the air.
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  Speaker 4: Mr.
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  Speaker 5: Gurb, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm well, sir. Thank you. Good.
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  Speaker 5: I'm glad to hear that. I really am. And the
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  Speaker 5: more I listen to you, you know what?
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  Speaker 3: I hear.
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  Speaker 5: Things that I agree with. I never thought I'd say that.
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  Speaker 5: But I do. The fellow that you were talking to
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  Speaker 5: just now is one of many... Armchair generals and admirals
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  Speaker 5: that are out there.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I mean by that.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Just as I am.
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  Speaker 5: Full force.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I mean, you and I.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody has an opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Right. But we've got to speculate and hope the people
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  Speaker 2: that are making the decisions know more than we do.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with that comment you made.
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  Speaker 5: Now, you made a comment about air care. You didn't
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  Speaker 5: elaborate enough on it. But you have to read your,
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  Speaker 5: and evidently you have read something on it or you
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't say it. Air campaigns throughout history have been failures.
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  Speaker 2: They're not successful, yes.
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  Speaker 5: They have been absolute failures. Read more on air campaigns
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  Speaker 5: and tell your listeners to read in the air. You're
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  Speaker 5: absolutely right when you made that comment. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't win.
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  Speaker 5: When they said that this... Buster, Bunker, whatever it was,
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  Speaker 5: they said, who are they? You know, who are they?
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  Speaker 5: They're telling you what you want to hear. That's all.
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  Speaker 5: They're telling you.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm... Stand by. Just stand by. Let me do
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  Speaker 2: my break. Well, I did tell you the Trump administration
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  Speaker 2: said it was successful. That's where it was.
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  Speaker 6: Boom.
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  Speaker 2: It went right down the hole and blew up. Mission accomplished.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it probably was successful. So why are
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  Speaker 2: we doing what we're doing now? I heard.
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  Speaker 1: This is A570 WKBN.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So let me just ask you, what do you think
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  Speaker 2: of the situation in Iran and getting involved in this war?
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  Speaker 2: And why do you think it happened?
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  Speaker 5: Number one. You have an administration that is very inept
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  Speaker 5: in this type of negotiation. It should have never happened
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  Speaker 5: in the first place. There were negotiations. There were rules,
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  Speaker 5: laws that were in place. We had scientists. We had
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  Speaker 5: people over there in authority who were looking at their
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  Speaker 5: nuclear program to make sure that it was already in place.
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  Speaker 5: The Strait of Hormuz was open. Gasoline was under $ 2. 50
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  Speaker 5: a gallon. Everything was in place. It should have never
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  Speaker 5: happened in the first place. That is what my thoughts
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  Speaker 5: are on this. Because everything was in place to keep
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  Speaker 5: them in check. But Mr. Trump decided... that Obama and
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  Speaker 5: what he was doing, he was going to just erase it.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to do what I'm going to do. Guess what?
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  Speaker 5: He is in a situation he can't get out of.
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  Speaker 5: And you know what? It's going to hurt you. Like
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  Speaker 5: you said, you're looking at gasoline. There was a guy
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  Speaker 5: on here, I forget what program, but he was very
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  Speaker 5: intelligent talking about You're going to be, you'll probably see
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  Speaker 5: gasoline go from $ 4. 25, not to $ 4. 50 or $ 4.
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  Speaker 3: 75.
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  Speaker 5: It'll go to $ 5. 50, and it'll go to $ 6. 50. And
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  Speaker 5: you're looking at $ 7, $ 8 gasoline by the end of summer. Now,
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  Speaker 5: this was all unnecessary. I don't know how else to
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  Speaker 5: put it to you people out there. You have to
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  Speaker 5: pay attention. You have just eliminated 50-plus years of negotiations
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  Speaker 5: that the United States has done. And it has been Democrats.
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  Speaker 5: It has been Republicans. It was under control. As much
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  Speaker 5: as you, your listening audience, most of them Republicans, fail
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  Speaker 5: to realize that They have to read more. They have
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  Speaker 5: to get involved more. They have to pay attention more.
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  Speaker 5: Not just to be blinded by one person who says,
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to do this, and look, you know as
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  Speaker 5: well as I do that what he did was totally
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  Speaker 5: asinine wrong. And I'm going to mention a couple of
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  Speaker 5: things here to you about And I'm not telling you
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  Speaker 5: this to try and impress.
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  Speaker 1: You or your listeners.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: Did anybody ever read D-Day? Did anybody ever read Dereliction
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  Speaker 5: of Duty by H.R. McMaster? How about Legacy of Ashes?
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  Speaker 5: The History of the CIA? Brute. Do you know who
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  Speaker 5: Brute was in the Second World War? Most people don't.
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  Speaker 5: Tim O'Brien. The Things They Carried. Presidents of war. Vietnam
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  Speaker 5: by Max Hastings. I can go on and on and on.
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  Speaker 5: But people have to pay. more attention. They have to
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  Speaker 5: read more. They have to get themselves involved. Not to
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  Speaker 5: be bamboozled by an administration that is so involved at
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  Speaker 5: what they're doing to this country. that they fall to
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  Speaker 5: their knees and say, I love you, sir. You know
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  Speaker 5: who said that recently? That guy that he just wants
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  Speaker 5: to put in as Attorney General, who will do anything
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  Speaker 5: for Trump, break any law. It's just insanity to me
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  Speaker 5: what's going on in this country. People have to pay
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  Speaker 5: attention to what is really going on. Okay, I'm done.
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  Speaker 2: There you go. And it's the perfect timing because I
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  Speaker 2: got the headlines. You have a wonderful weekend. Enjoy yourself,
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  Speaker 2: you hear? I'll be right back. Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 1: News Radio 570 WKVN. Now, Ron Verb. On News Radio
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  Speaker 1: 570 WKVN.
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  Speaker 2: Back to it. News Radio 570 WKVN. And Ron Verb,
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  Speaker 2: and you're on the air. Welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Ron.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 4: I've got a question for you. Have you ever worked on, like, projects..
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  Speaker 2: Projects?
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  Speaker 4: That have a defined set of things that have to
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  Speaker 4: happen and they have a budget and a schedule.
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  Speaker 1: And have resources.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I have.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so then maybe you've done something called risk analysis.
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  Speaker 2: Life itself I've done a risk analysis on. Don't you
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  Speaker 2: do that when you decide to get married? You do
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  Speaker 2: a risk analysis?
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  Speaker 4: Oh my, yes. I knew it.
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  Speaker 2: I knew you did.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you do.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, marriage is a risk analysis every day. In
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  Speaker 4: any case, risk analysis is a way of identifying risks
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  Speaker 4: and trying to mitigate them and trying to take the emotion.
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  Speaker 1: Out of it.
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  Speaker 4: The way that you do that is that you identify
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  Speaker 4: the risk. You sit down with the people that are
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  Speaker 4: doing the project and so forth, and you're saying, what
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  Speaker 4: are all the things that could go wrong that may
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  Speaker 4: cost us schedule, that may cost us budget, that may
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  Speaker 4: completely ruin the project. Okay? And you identify those, and
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  Speaker 4: for each one of those, you're going to find out,
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  Speaker 4: you're going to try and understand and estimate the chance
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  Speaker 4: that it'll happen, the impact that if it does happen,
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  Speaker 4: and then what can you do about it? What's the
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  Speaker 4: mitigation that you can do? Okay?
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  Speaker 6: So..
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  Speaker 4: I think that in the Israel, Iran, United States, and
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  Speaker 4: all of Middle East, I see four.
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  Speaker 3: Or five risks.
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  Speaker 4: The first one is that Iran has ICBMs. We knew
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  Speaker 4: they had ICBMs, but we thought their range was too...
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  Speaker 4: 2,000 kilometers. Turns out that their range was 4,000 kilometers,
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  Speaker 4: which means that they can go to.
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  Speaker 3: Europe, okay?
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  Speaker 4: And that's a 100% chance because we know now that
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  Speaker 4: they've demonstrated them. And what's the impact of that? Well,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you can make that impact something, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a number. You try and quantify these things, a number from, say,
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  Speaker 4: one to whatever, infinity. Okay, so let's say that that's
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  Speaker 4: a number of 100 because they would be able to
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  Speaker 4: drop an ICBM into a city in Europe. Okay? And
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  Speaker 4: let's say they have 100 ICBMs. They can drop that
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  Speaker 4: 100 ICBMs in Europe. What do you think is going
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  Speaker 4: to happen to that European city if they drop 100
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  Speaker 4: ICBMs into that city?
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead. I'm listening.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. So it'll probably decimate that city, especially if they
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  Speaker 4: don't even have high explosives on there. They just have
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  Speaker 4: maybe iron beams. If you want to understand this, look
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  Speaker 4: up a thing called Rods from God, which was a
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  Speaker 4: thing that they were worried the Soviets would do from space. Anyhow,
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  Speaker 4: let's take the next risk that we would identify, which
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  Speaker 4: is the terror network from the Iranians. Well, we know
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  Speaker 4: that's 100%. They've been listed as the number one terror
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  Speaker 4: sponsor by the State Department for decades, right? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we know that they caused things in our hemisphere. In
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  Speaker 4: South America, they killed hundreds of people in Argentina. At
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  Speaker 4: the Jewish Center, they caused many, many things throughout Europe
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  Speaker 4: and definitely things in the United States. Throughout Asia as well. And,
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  Speaker 4: of course, the Middle East. So what do you think
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  Speaker 4: that number is with the terror, the impact of terror?
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  Speaker 4: If you have things like, let's say, you know, it
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  Speaker 4: wasn't the Iranians necessarily. It was some parts of the
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  Speaker 4: Saudi populace that did 9-11. But what do you think
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  Speaker 4: that impact would be?
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  Speaker 2: It would be devastating. I mean, there's an awful lot
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  Speaker 2: of speculation going on here. I mean, this is... Speculation?
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  Speaker 4: Wait a second. We know that they are the number
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  Speaker 4: one sponsor of terror. from the State Department for decades.
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  Speaker 4: You can go on to the FDD site and see
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  Speaker 4: the 47 things that they've tied, the FDD being the
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  Speaker 4: Foundation for the Defense of Democracy, and see the 47
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  Speaker 4: definite things that they've hit the United States with.
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 4: So the next thing is, let's talk about the problems
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  Speaker 4: in the region. So I've heard G2 talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 4: they're going to take the desalinization plants out from the Saudis. Well,
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  Speaker 4: not too many years ago, they hit the Saudi oil fields, right?
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  Speaker 4: And we've seen them hit Qatar and other neighbors and
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  Speaker 4: Israel itself. So we know that that's 100% as well.
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  Speaker 4: But that's not, I wouldn't call that like a really,
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  Speaker 4: really high number, right? But let's go to the big one,
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  Speaker 4: which is the nuclear, right? Now, do they have nuclear weapons?
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  Speaker 4: Probably not. There are some people that say that they
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  Speaker 4: got some nukes through one of the stands, Kazakhstan, or
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  Speaker 4: so when the Soviet Union broke up, but that's never
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  Speaker 4: been really fundamentally verified, okay? But let's say that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the chance of them having a nuclear weapon is pretty low.
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  Speaker 4: Let's say it's 1%. But I think that the impact
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  Speaker 4: of that is probably 5 million. Okay? Because they get
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  Speaker 4: into a nuclear exchange with Israel or anyone else. You
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  Speaker 4: think they've got problems with the economy now? Everything's, all
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  Speaker 4: bets are off. The last one is, let's say they
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  Speaker 4: learn how to miniaturize that nuclear weapon, which means they
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  Speaker 4: can put it on an ICBM and hit all parts
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  Speaker 4: of Europe, all parts of the Middle East. I'd say
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  Speaker 4: that impact is probably a tenth or a hundredth of
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  Speaker 4: a percent, but the impact of that is 50 million,
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  Speaker 4: at least 50. So the risk analysis says we had
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  Speaker 4: to do something. Whether we're doing the correct thing or not,
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  Speaker 4: it's not an issue. I can't see how you can
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  Speaker 4: say that any of the impacts of the United States...
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  Speaker 4: economies have anything close to those impacts.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I think that's totally... First of all, you make
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  Speaker 2: it sound as though... So let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 2: Why would General McGregor completely disagree with everything you said?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you come on here, you're so certain of
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  Speaker 2: all of this. Yet he completely disagrees. I'm asking you
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  Speaker 2: a question. I mean, you lay all of this out,
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  Speaker 2: yet here's General McGregor, who completely disagrees with... this entire
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  Speaker 2: mission and the nonsense that's going on. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: so let's not act as though this is for certain
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  Speaker 2: and this would happen and this is carved in stone
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  Speaker 2: because you have people in positions of know-how well beyond
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  Speaker 2: certainly my expertise, I would assume yours, who totally disagree.
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  Speaker 2: Hang on, Ron. I can't even finish my statement with you.
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  Speaker 4: I said those were my estimates. What are your estimates?
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  Speaker 2: What are your estimates on the chance of having an impact?
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  Speaker 2: of what you said, in my opinion, is speculation. I
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  Speaker 2: don't believe a lot of what you said. It's all speculation, Ron.
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  Speaker 2: Then don't ask me. If you won't let me respond,
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  Speaker 2: then go ahead and finish your thought and I'll move on.
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  Speaker 2: Because as soon as I start to speak, you don't
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  Speaker 2: want to hear it. So, I mean, I totally disagree
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  Speaker 2: with your scenario. I totally and completely disagree with your
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  Speaker 2: scenario and what the effects will be. And the effects
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  Speaker 2: will be significant on this country right now as this
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  Speaker 2: goes on. I don't believe your scenario at all. I
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  Speaker 2: believe the bunker buster was effective. I wasn't up at
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  Speaker 2: night worried about Iran and a nuclear threat. The majority
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  Speaker 2: of people in this country were not. They have been
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  Speaker 2: kind of sold on this from the neocons that sell
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  Speaker 2: you on a lot of this stuff in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 2: And Trump got involved in this. And it's disturbing to
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  Speaker 2: me that he did. And I think he's looking for
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  Speaker 2: a way out of it right now. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what the way out of it is right now. What
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  Speaker 2: I do know is that bombing from the air doesn't win.
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  Speaker 2: And I do know that I thought that things are,
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  Speaker 2: you know, let's be realistic. They didn't have much of
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  Speaker 2: a Navy or an Air Force to begin with. So
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  Speaker 2: the fact that they don't have one is pretty much irrelevant.
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  Speaker 2: So if they're decimated and their structure is taken out,
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  Speaker 2: what more do you want? If all our leaders are
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  Speaker 2: gone and if the new regime is gone, I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know who you're negotiating with or who you call
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  Speaker 2: or how you get in contact with them to try
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  Speaker 2: to even reach an agreement. Apparently, they must know who
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  Speaker 2: they're dealing with to reach an agreement, right? They say,
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  Speaker 2: I've heard every week now for, what, a month and
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  Speaker 2: a half, two months, an agreement is near, an agreement
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  Speaker 2: is near. But it never happens.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it absolutely never happens. Who are they negotiating with?
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  Speaker 2: Who's making the decisions? Who's there to say, I'm in
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  Speaker 2: charge and I'm making the decisions? Do we know? Do
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  Speaker 2: they know? How do we communicate with them? They certainly
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  Speaker 2: would be nervous to do any type of communication because
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  Speaker 2: we'd drop another bomb on them. So there's many questions
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  Speaker 2: I have about it all. Do you think if we
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  Speaker 2: redo the bombing campaign that we've done it before, will
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  Speaker 2: it now be more successful than it was last time?
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  Speaker 2: Will it change anything? What's insanity? Doing the same thing again,
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  Speaker 2: expecting different results? So where do you go if it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't work and you do it next time? So you
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  Speaker 2: tell me, based on your scenario, here we do. We
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  Speaker 2: go right back to it. We do that bombing campaign again,
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  Speaker 2: which is a real possibility, and nothing changes. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying, don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying Iran's in
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  Speaker 2: a good place. Iran's in a horrible place financially, economically,
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  Speaker 2: and in many, many ways. Their back is up against
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  Speaker 2: the wall. But I don't understand their culture. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think they think like I do. I don't think they
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  Speaker 2: have the priorities I do. I can only tell you
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  Speaker 2: from what I learned from my son spending many tours
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  Speaker 2: in the Middle East who says, you don't understand them
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  Speaker 2: unless you're there and you see it firsthand. They don't
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  Speaker 2: think like you. They don't think like you. They don't
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  Speaker 2: have the same belief system as you. It's totally different.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know how many people in Iran want
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  Speaker 2: regime change within Iran. Do we know that number?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think many of the people that are on
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  Speaker 4: your show know that, and I'm.
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  Speaker 2: One of them. I don't know if the United States
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  Speaker 2: government knows that.
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  Speaker 4: I think somebody like Professor Brenda Schaefer may know that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that anyone— She's written several books on Iran.
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  Speaker 2: I doubt if anybody polled the majority of the 93
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  Speaker 2: million people in Iran if they're looking for regime change.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't understand their culture, their religion,
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  Speaker 2: their philosophy. It is foreign to me. But in many ways,
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  Speaker 2: I know they don't think like I do. And so
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Can you get, if you bomb them
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  Speaker 2: again and that doesn't work now, what do you do?
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  Speaker 4: Maybe bomb them again. But my question was not, or.
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  Speaker 1: My comment is not, what are we doing now?
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  Speaker 4: My comment is, why did we do this at all?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would argue that probably doing it, I think
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  Speaker 2: the bunker buster was effective. Why did we do it
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  Speaker 2: at all? Well, I can only speculate on that. I
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  Speaker 2: can only speculate.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think the bunker buster did anything about the ICBMs.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the bunker buster took care of a
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  Speaker 2: lot of issues. And when you say, why did we
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  Speaker 2: do it? I think we were influenced by Netanyahu. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I think to get involved in this.
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  Speaker 4: That may be the case. That's not in the risk analysis.
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  Speaker 2: But what's your risk analysis in the United States of America?
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  Speaker 2: Let's do some risk analysis on the people as we sit. No, no,
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  Speaker 2: I want to do a different risk analysis. I want
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  Speaker 2: to do a risk analysis of $ 160 a barrel oil
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  Speaker 2: or $ 180 a barrel oil. I think the impact of
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  Speaker 2: $ 180 a barrel oil is nothing. What do you think
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  Speaker 2: the impact of that is on the U.S. economy? What
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  Speaker 2: do you think the impact of that is on inflation?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think the impact of that is on
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  Speaker 2: the midterm elections? What do you think the impact of
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  Speaker 2: that is on the average citizen in this country, economically speaking,
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  Speaker 2: and business in this country? What do you think the
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  Speaker 2: impact is on all of that? Let's do a risk
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  Speaker 2: analysis on that. Wait a second. Because, you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: more than one side to an equation. You and your
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  Speaker 2: risk analysis want to look at one part of the equation.
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  Speaker 2: I want to look at the part in the United
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  Speaker 2: States of America and what we do to our own
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  Speaker 2: citizens in our own country, in our own economics, and
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  Speaker 2: the next two years of decimating the Trump presidency by
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  Speaker 2: putting the Democrats in charge. Now what do you want
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  Speaker 2: to do? What's your risk analysis of that?
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  Speaker 4: So I ask you once again.
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  Speaker 2: What is it? I'm asking you a question.
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  Speaker 4: Wait a second.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to answer. Do you want to answer
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  Speaker 2: or not? I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's anywhere near what a nuclear.
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  Speaker 2: Exchange would be. I'm not remotely concerned about their nuclear situation.
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe it to be the threat it is
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  Speaker 2: being described as, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 4: So you're saying that you're saying that I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Saying to you, I'm saying specifically to you. So you understand,
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  Speaker 2: I believe the surveillance is there on a daily basis.
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  Speaker 2: I believe I believe from the satellite surveillance and surveillance
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  Speaker 2: on the ground as to what is going on down there.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't believe that they are a nuclear threat
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  Speaker 2: to the United States of America, period.
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  Speaker 4: The IAEA had all of their stuff, all of their stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you and I are going to go around in
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  Speaker 2: circles when we destroy the American economy. And make no mistake,
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  Speaker 2: I hope he's successful and I hope it ends quickly.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't see it happening to you. Well, how
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  Speaker 2: long you want to go with this? How long you
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  Speaker 2: want to go? At what point? You're not looking at
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  Speaker 2: the effect it can have on your citizens in your
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  Speaker 2: own damn country immediately. Do you give a damn about that?
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  Speaker 2: Where is your risk analysis on that? I'm asking you.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to address it, do you? So what
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  Speaker 2: do you say to a guy like Art Berman who says,
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  Speaker 2: we got a big problem. We got starvation in the world.
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  Speaker 2: We got fertilizer that's going to affect the food supply.
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  Speaker 2: We could see $ 160 to $ 180 a barrel oil. We
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  Speaker 2: could see gas prices skyrocket. And we could see oil shortages.
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  Speaker 2: How do you assess that in the world? What do
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  Speaker 2: you think that does to the world?
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  Speaker 4: I think that's nothing compared to.
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  Speaker 2: A nuclear exchange between Israel and Iran.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've been through all this speculation nonsense like
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  Speaker 2: the last caller did with his risk analysis since Vietnam.
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  Speaker 2: And selling the American on Vietnam and how important it was.
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  Speaker 2: And ultimately, we lost a lot of life, American life
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  Speaker 2: and injury for Vietnam. And for what? For what? We
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  Speaker 2: did a massive bombing campaign there, too. And we had
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  Speaker 2: boots on the ground. But we didn't win. And we left.
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  Speaker 2: So when you take a look at all of these...
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  Speaker 2: military operations since then what was the lesson of vietnam
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  Speaker 2: basically uh was is that is that how we want
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  Speaker 2: to operate and weren't we supposed to learn a lesson
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  Speaker 2: from vietnam then we go get involved in all of
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  Speaker 2: these conflicts in the middle east with victoria newland and
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  Speaker 2: so they're just disasters the regime change the cia meddling
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  Speaker 2: the disasters that you see in the loss of life
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  Speaker 2: that we had in the middle east So can you
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  Speaker 2: say Afghanistan was worth any of your sons or daughters
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  Speaker 2: dying for, losing an arm or a leg, or being
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  Speaker 2: severely disfigured when it was said and done and we
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  Speaker 2: left and we gave it right back to the people,
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  Speaker 2: the terrorists, and they got it back with more equipment,
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  Speaker 2: better than when it was taken originally? Can you look
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  Speaker 2: and say, well, anything, when you look at it, was
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  Speaker 2: it worth it? Well, I thought that's what Trump ran on.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't believe in regime change and forever wars. But
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  Speaker 2: now we're right back in this particular situation. I thought
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  Speaker 2: the bunker buster took care of the nuclear threat. But
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  Speaker 2: now we're right back in one where they're sitting there
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  Speaker 2: scratching their head and saying, well, we don't understand why
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  Speaker 2: they're not surrendering. We don't understand why this isn't over. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, here goes ceasefire. Now let's do a ceasefire
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  Speaker 2: for 30 days and 60 days and an agreement is
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  Speaker 2: near and it doesn't come and another agreement is near
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  Speaker 2: and it doesn't come and And you sit back and
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  Speaker 2: you say, well, what is going on here? And can
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  Speaker 2: you say that it's going well? Well, you be the
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  Speaker 2: judge of it. I'm sure that it's not going well
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  Speaker 2: over there, but it can get worse here as well.
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  Speaker 6: From ABC News.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Mike Dabusky.
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  Speaker 6: Bill Pulte, the incoming acting director of national intelligence, is
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  Speaker 6: facing new pressure to downsize the department he's set to run.
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  Speaker 6: President Trump telling reporters today that the number of employees
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  Speaker 6: at DNI has been way too high for way too long.
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  Speaker 6: ABC's Karen Travers is at the White House.
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  Speaker 7: Stocks slumped today to end the week.
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  Speaker 8: It comes as some financial leaders, including the head of
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  Speaker 8: the Dallas Fed, indicated that interest rates may go up
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  Speaker 8: this year. Meanwhile, a jobs report out this morning found
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  Speaker 8: that the economy added more than 170,000 jobs last month,
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  Speaker 8: nearly double expectations.
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  Speaker 7: The narrative for the past year or so has been
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  Speaker 7: a cooling labor market, but the past three months could
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  Speaker 7: make a case that that cooling has stopped. But while
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  Speaker 7: jobs are being added, we are still in a low hire,
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  Speaker 7: low fire environment. This is good news for workers with jobs,
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  Speaker 7: but reflects a tougher situation for job seekers. We are
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  Speaker 7: seeing job seekers struggling in long-term unemployment numbers. Those who
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  Speaker 7: have been out of work for 27 weeks or more
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  Speaker 7: rose to 27.5% in May, well above pre-pandemic norms. Taylor Dunn,
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  Speaker 7: ABC News, New York.
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  Speaker 6: An appeals court hearing arguments today as the president's lawyers
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  Speaker 6: look to move ahead with the White House ballroom project.
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  Speaker 6: A lawsuit from historical preservationists had halted the project.
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  Speaker 9: The government argues that the ballroom is necessary for national security,
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  Speaker 9: pointing to the drone port that the president says will
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  Speaker 9: be on the roof of the new ballroom, the bulletproof glass,
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  Speaker 9: and the blastproof columns. The appeals court panel that heard
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  Speaker 9: this today is comprised of appointees of Presidents Obama, Biden,
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  Speaker 9: and Trump. And it was really difficult to get a sense,
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  Speaker 9: just listening to the questions for two hours over where
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  Speaker 9: this is going to land. But you can imagine that
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  Speaker 9: the losing side is probably going to take it to
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  Speaker 9: the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 6: ABC's Stephen Portnoy, you're listening to ABC News.