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Jim Bowden’s free agency primer, Mariners down to 2 manager candidates, New O’s GM praises Mike Elias · Foul Territory

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: JB, you unveiled your list that I always look forward
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: to of top 40 free agents. Yeah, it's just about
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: that time, right? The World Series could be over in
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: a minute and it's time to focus on what's next.
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: And a lot of that could come in November before
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: the lockout. So let's run through some highlights here and
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: just kick off the list for me with a theme.
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: What's the theme of this free agency that's coming up?
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very weak class. So get ready for it.
• 0:34
  Speaker 3: You're not going to have a lot of answers here.
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  Speaker 3: If teams want to get better, Be prepared to be
• 0:38
  Speaker 3: in the trade market. Not that there's not some really
• 0:40
  Speaker 3: top free agents led by Tarek Skubal, of course, who
• 0:44
  Speaker 3: is going to break the record for the most AAV
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  Speaker 3: or most value when it's all said and done. And
• 0:49
  Speaker 3: certainly a lot of teams are going to be in
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  Speaker 3: on him. Freddy Peralta obviously has brought his value back
• 0:54
  Speaker 3: with the second half he's had with Tampa Bay. I
• 0:57
  Speaker 3: think one of the most exciting free agents in this
• 0:59
  Speaker 3: class is Teriyaki Sato from Japan. He won the triple crown,
• 1:02
  Speaker 3: the MVP over there. Last time a Japanese player won
• 1:05
  Speaker 3: the MVP and came to the States, it was a
• 1:07
  Speaker 3: Deki Matsui. But this is a third baseman that's got
• 1:11
  Speaker 3: a chance to hit a lot of damage. He does
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of strikeouts in the strike zone and
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  Speaker 3: out of the strike zone. But, I mean, he's a
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  Speaker 3: much better prospect over here than Murakami or Okajama.
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  Speaker 2: So I love what he's going to be able to do.
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  Speaker 3: And then, you know, you've got guys like Erezarena and, say,
• 1:28
  Speaker 3: a Suzuki, a couple right-handed outfielders. Just because there's such
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  Speaker 3: a shortage of that, Those guys will get overpaid. So, look,
• 1:36
  Speaker 3: there are some really good free agents, but it is,
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  Speaker 3: relatively speaking, a weak class of free agents.
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  Speaker 4: Jim, how many of these free agents, and I'm mainly
• 1:45
  Speaker 4: looking at Tarek Skubal, are going to try and get
• 1:47
  Speaker 4: in under the old CBA, like before December 1st? I
• 1:52
  Speaker 4: know Boris sometimes likes to play it out, play the
• 1:54
  Speaker 4: long game, but do you think he'll want to get
• 1:56
  Speaker 4: Skubal done and signed to the biggest contract he can?
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  Speaker 4: before there's potential changes to the CBA? And is there
• 2:02
  Speaker 4: anyone else that we should look at that might do
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  Speaker 4: the same?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, first of all, I do think there's a lot
• 2:07
  Speaker 3: of agents like Aces and the Boris Corporation that have
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  Speaker 3: led GMs to believe that they want to get deals
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  Speaker 3: done prior to the lockout. I think it's got Boris's case.
• 2:19
  Speaker 3: You can point to the Corey Seager, Marcus Simeon signings.
• 2:22
  Speaker 3: You can point to the Max Scherzer signings. That is
• 2:25
  Speaker 3: what he did the last time we were here. So
• 2:28
  Speaker 3: I think if he has the opportunity to do that,
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  Speaker 3: I do think you're going to have some big market
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  Speaker 3: clubs that believe that these kind of signings won't be
• 2:36
  Speaker 3: grandfathered in. And if, in fact, there was a hard cap,
• 2:40
  Speaker 3: if that were to happen, or a soft cap at
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  Speaker 3: the top, whatever that restricts you, I think teams would
• 2:46
  Speaker 3: be very careful before they spend too much money, especially
• 2:49
  Speaker 3: a team like the Mets or the Yankees, teams, Dodgers,
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  Speaker 3: teams that are already high up there in payroll. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they might shy.
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  Speaker 2: Away from it.
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  Speaker 3: I think if you're a small to mid-market club and
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  Speaker 3: you think there's going to be a floor or something
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  Speaker 3: that makes you go up in salary, I think there's
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  Speaker 3: an incentive to try, from a GM's perspective, to try
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  Speaker 3: to do a deal and try to take advantage of
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  Speaker 3: maybe some of the big markets not being able to
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  Speaker 3: bid until after the lockout. So yeah, I think it's
• 3:16
  Speaker 3: going to be fascinating. Look, I already know I'm not
• 3:19
  Speaker 3: going to get to go to San Diego for the
• 3:20
  Speaker 3: winter meetings. And this is the second time the CBA
• 3:23
  Speaker 3: has fallen on the San Diego winter meetings, which is
• 3:25
  Speaker 3: absolutely horrible for me because I love going to San Diego.
• 3:28
  Speaker 3: My sister lives there. I love the LAMP district. But
• 3:32
  Speaker 3: now I'm going to go to the GM meetings, which
• 3:34
  Speaker 3: I don't normally go to just because I think we're
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: going to have a fun month of November. And I
• 3:38
  Speaker 3: want to have a fun month before I see the
• 3:40
  Speaker 3: Cowboys beat the Eagles again on Thanksgiving.
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  Speaker 5: And I mean, you run GM territory, so you have
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  Speaker 5: to be at the GM meetings. I feel like it's
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  Speaker 5: the name of the show. Number two on your list
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  Speaker 5: is Freddy Peralta. You glazed over it. You said He's
• 3:54
  Speaker 5: built his value back up. Is his value back up
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  Speaker 5: to where he wants to be? Obviously, he wants to
• 4:00
  Speaker 5: win a Cy Young for this season, but it didn't
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  Speaker 5: happen that way. But is it back to where he
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  Speaker 5: should be to really cash in for this one chance
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  Speaker 5: of free agency that he has?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think so.
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  Speaker 3: I do think so because he's one of two pitchers
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  Speaker 3: that have four consecutive years of 30 starts. So the
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  Speaker 3: durability is there. A year ago, he was top five
• 4:19
  Speaker 3: in Cy Young. That's how good he was. He goes
• 4:21
  Speaker 3: to the Mets. arm drops, extension goes away, mechanics, he doesn't,
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  Speaker 3: he goes to Tampa and they fix him. And now
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  Speaker 3: he's pitching exactly like he has the last four years.
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  Speaker 3: So I absolutely think the value is back. Now, you know,
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  Speaker 3: what does that mean? I think it's somewhere between 140
• 4:39
  Speaker 3: and 160. Carlos Rodon got 160 and he certainly didn't
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  Speaker 3: have the track record of consistency that Peralta has. So
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  Speaker 3: And I think the other issue, too, is, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you want starting pitching in free agency. There's not a
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  Speaker 3: lot of names at the top. You know, to me,
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  Speaker 3: it's three guys. It's Scooble, Peralta and King. I love
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  Speaker 3: all three of them. But because there's only three and
• 5:01
  Speaker 3: a lot of starting pitchers aren't available in trades, there's
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  Speaker 3: not a lot of starting pitchers that can give you
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  Speaker 3: five or six innings these days.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's I think his value is completely back.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's healthy. I think the velo going up
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  Speaker 3: to the ninety seven ninety eight works. Um, the changeup
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  Speaker 3: is still nasty. So yeah, I think his value is
• 5:17
  Speaker 3: completely back, Eric.
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  Speaker 2: That's my take.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 5:21
  Speaker 7: Kratzy. Here we are again, man. How many times do
• 5:24
  Speaker 7: we have to tell people to get the best tickets
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  Speaker 7: in the house?
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: Where do we got to go? We got to go
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: to seat geek.
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  Speaker 7: It's been worth it so many times, so many years,
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  Speaker 7: the green light will let you know when it is
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  Speaker 7: time to go in the best seats available. The red
• 5:37
  Speaker 7: will let you know if it's not the best crafty,
• 5:39
  Speaker 7: tell them how easy it is. Todd.
• 5:41
  Speaker 5: I know it's easy. but I'm looking for the deals
• 5:44
  Speaker 5: because that's what I do. Even so much, like we're
• 5:47
  Speaker 5: getting such a good deal, I want you to come
• 5:49
  Speaker 5: across the river and we'll go to a Sixers game together.
• 5:52
  Speaker 5: I don't know where to sit in the stadium, but
• 5:54
  Speaker 5: it'll let me know that it's a perfect view because
• 5:57
  Speaker 5: I'm not a big NBA fan, but I got to
• 6:00
  Speaker 5: go see the Sixers play with LeBron and the boys.
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• 6:07
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• 6:22
  Speaker 4: Hey, Jim, there's some interesting names on this list in
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  Speaker 4: your top 10. First of all, Michael King, and you
• 6:28
  Speaker 4: have four years, 118. Is he healthy enough? That's always
• 6:33
  Speaker 4: my question with Michael King. But then I look at
• 6:35
  Speaker 4: Jake Bowers, Jazz Chisholm, Have they done enough to warrant
• 6:40
  Speaker 4: big contracts? Because Jake Bowers really was a journeyman. And
• 6:44
  Speaker 4: then this year, boom, he hits 26 homers, right? And
• 6:47
  Speaker 4: then Jazz Chisholm is up and down and up and down.
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  Speaker 4: And then some people question, you know, does he play
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  Speaker 4: hard sometimes? You hear those. Is he fully engaged? So
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  Speaker 4: those are the two guys I really want to focus on.
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  Speaker 4: Are those two names up there because, A, there's just
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  Speaker 4: not that many guys in this free agent class? Or
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  Speaker 4: are they deserving of top of the food chain money
• 7:08
  Speaker 4: as a free agent?
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  Speaker 3: It's a weak free agent class. I mean, that's the answer,
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  Speaker 3: number one. Number two is Jerry Reinsdorf always said it
• 7:16
  Speaker 3: only takes one team to sign a player. In the
• 7:19
  Speaker 3: case of Jazz Chisholm, you know, I think there's going
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  Speaker 3: to be a second division team that probably overpays them
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  Speaker 3: and gives them too many years and dollars because that's
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  Speaker 3: the only way they're going to get a player. Perhaps
• 7:28
  Speaker 3: a team like the Angels who are going to have
• 7:30
  Speaker 3: a hard time recruiting players just because they're not close
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  Speaker 3: to winning. A team like that might make an offer that,
• 7:36
  Speaker 3: you know, that you know, gets jazzed. I think in
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: the case of Jake Bowers, it's kind of a fascinating
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  Speaker 3: case here because to your point, this is the first
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  Speaker 3: time in his career he's ever had 500 plate appearances.
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  Speaker 3: He's never been an everyday player and he had a
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  Speaker 3: really good year. So how much can you trust that
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  Speaker 3: one year, right? Then he gets into the postseason and
• 7:55
  Speaker 3: he hits a couple of really big home runs. And
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: then you get to talk to him and you meet
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  Speaker 3: him and he does have that makeup and character, right?
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a reason he's going to be on
• 8:03
  Speaker 3: the World Championship Club hitting at the top of that lineup.
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  Speaker 3: in the two spot or the four spot or wherever
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  Speaker 3: he has been. He's been good defensively at first base
• 8:11
  Speaker 3: as well. And there's a lot of teams that need
• 8:13
  Speaker 3: help at first base, like the New York Mets. And
• 8:16
  Speaker 3: so I kind of feel like, you know, when I
• 8:18
  Speaker 3: see the Jorge Polanco's getting paid with his injury history,
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  Speaker 3: do I think someone's out there going to give Jake
• 8:24
  Speaker 3: Bowers a nice contract, even though it's really only one
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: year of.
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  Speaker 2: History of success at this level?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think there's enough need at
• 8:33
  Speaker 3: first base. And I think His makeup and character is
• 8:36
  Speaker 3: one I would bet on. I think what we saw
• 8:39
  Speaker 3: this year, he could probably do for the next two
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  Speaker 3: or three years. So I think he'll do just fine.
• 8:43
  Speaker 3: Chisholm's a more complicated issue, as you know. Like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know what to do with him sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I love the talent. You know, he still
• 8:51
  Speaker 3: ends up with, what, 15, 20 homers, 40 steals. The
• 8:55
  Speaker 3: metrics like him defensively, and yet you're in a playoff
• 8:57
  Speaker 3: game and he tries to turn some double play he shouldn't,
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: and then he tries to defend it after the game.
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: And then he walks into Jimmy Fallon with the dark
• 9:04
  Speaker 3: sunglasses talking about grandma. And I'm like, jazz, really what stop?
• 9:07
  Speaker 3: You know, I remember, I remember when he went into
• 9:09
  Speaker 3: Marlin spring training as a, as a rookie and he
• 9:12
  Speaker 3: parked in Derek, Derek Jeter spot. And I said, you know,
• 9:16
  Speaker 3: how can you, why would you park in Derek Jeter spot,
• 9:18
  Speaker 3: the owner of the team? And he said, Oh, he's
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: not going to be here today. I don't think like
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: he just, it's just not always there, but raw talents there.
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: But it's, it's hard for a contending team. I think
• 9:28
  Speaker 3: to want to, pay him long-term unless he takes a
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: short-term deal and try to prove it again. But I
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: do think you're going to have second division teams that
• 9:35
  Speaker 3: will make a run at him just because there's not
• 9:37
  Speaker 3: a lot of guys that can hit 20 and steal 40.
• 9:40
  Speaker 5: When you have a weaker free agent class, I can
• 9:42
  Speaker 5: look at that top 10 and go, this is a
• 9:45
  Speaker 5: GM's dream. Surplus value. Where in that top 10 is
• 9:50
  Speaker 5: the most surplus value for a team who's willing to
• 9:53
  Speaker 5: strike early and take advantage of a weaker class, but
• 9:58
  Speaker 5: being able to get into that top 10 of free agents.
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, I like Adrian Morhan.
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: I think I had an 11 on my list and
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: not quite the top 10, but I think Morhan's one
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: of the best left-handed setup guys. And as long as
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: he's healthy, I think he's a game changer. I would
• 10:11
  Speaker 3: take a chance on Clay Holmes with that bowling ball.
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: I think he proved that he can start, but he
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: can also relieve. And in this day and age, you know,
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: he's a perfect pitcher the way managers handle pitching staff.
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: So I think those are a couple of arms. David Bednar,
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: the closer of the Yankees. It's always nice to have
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: a guy that can lock down the ninth inning when
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: you have a lead. I mean, most of the teams
• 10:29
  Speaker 3: we cover at the end of the season always have
• 10:32
  Speaker 3: that as well. So I guess those are three of
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: the guys that I would look at.
• 10:37
  Speaker 4: Jim, I got to ask the question. You brought up Morihone.
• 10:39
  Speaker 4: And one thing I worry about with Morihone is.
• 10:42
  Speaker 8: Did the Padres just wear him out? Did they wear
• 10:44
  Speaker 8: him out?
• 10:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, he was throwing every game two innings at
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: a time, and you saw it pop up in the playoffs.
• 10:50
  Speaker 8: Oh, man, my shoulder's a little barky here, guys. I
• 10:52
  Speaker 8: can't pitch when you need me.
• 10:54
  Speaker 4: So does that worry you as a GM that the
• 10:56
  Speaker 4: team that they came from might have worn.
• 10:59
  Speaker 8: A guy out?
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  Speaker 2: Petrifies me, sure, with relievers, based on the history of relievers. Yeah,
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: petrifies me.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, Mason Miller, too, I think.
• 11:06
  Speaker 4: I feel like Mason Miller kind of got that a
• 11:07
  Speaker 4: little bit this year, too, from the Padres.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, no doubt. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's high risk. High risk, good reward. That's it.
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I worry about Aaron Ashby, and I love
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: watching Ashby. I mean, I would start Ashby, and I
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: tried to bring that up to Murph. I said, what
• 11:23
  Speaker 3: about starting him next year? You know, putting him and
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: Gasser in the rotation with Miz and Henderson. I mean,
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: that's what I would do with him. And he said, nope,
• 11:30
  Speaker 3: we're going to leave him in the bullpen just where
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: he is. But yeah, to your point, pitchers blow out.
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, how many closers actually you know, live those eight, nine,
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: 10 successful years. I mean, there's Mariano Rivera was one,
• 11:43
  Speaker 3: Trevor Hoffman, Kimbrell had a good run, but yeah, the
• 11:47
  Speaker 3: way they get used, yeah, there's no doubt it's always
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: an injury risk. And I think the important thing today
• 11:53
  Speaker 3: is you're going to sign one of these pictures like Morahan,
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: just make sure you've done an MRI on the elbow,
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: on the shoulder before you give them the money and
• 12:00
  Speaker 3: make sure you've got all the tests so that your
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: medical people can tell you what the risk and the
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: risk is not. At the time you sign them. Not
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: that that's perfect because it's not, but you'll be surprised
• 12:11
  Speaker 3: how many teams don't do their due diligence. Don't check
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: sometimes as thorough as that. And the guy ends up
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: blowing out. So it's a great point that you made
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  Speaker 3: and I'm with you.
• 12:21
  Speaker 6: Crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: They're only throwing tens of millions of dollars around. You
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: would think a little bit of extra homework is worth it, but.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: Lots to talk about once we hit the end of
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: this World Series.
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  Speaker 6: Have fun.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of it. It could be short, JB,
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: but have fun out there in Tampa Bay.
• 12:34
  Speaker 8: Say hi to me, Jim. At least wave. At least wave.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'll be there.
• 12:37
  Speaker 3: In fact, I'm interviewing Rob Manford this afternoon, so I'm
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: pretty interested to kind of see how that goes.
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: Any questions you guys want me to ask him?
• 12:46
  Speaker 6: Well, I know what he's going to say. I mean,
• 12:48
  Speaker 6: we'd love to have him.
• 12:49
  Speaker 8: Ask him when he's going to text me back. That's
• 12:51
  Speaker 8: all I really want to know.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: When is he going to text me back? That'll be
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: my lead question.
• 12:56
  Speaker 5: That was your one question?
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  Speaker 8: That was your one question, Jim.
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get the one. That's it. How come you
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: don't text AJ back?
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: Come on.
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  Speaker 1: My real question, JB, would of course be what he
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: thinks of this World Series and just let him go, right?
• 13:13
  Speaker 6: In relation to what he's been talking about. That's it.
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: I just want to hear that part and let him riff,
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: but hopefully it's... And I know that we're going to
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: get into this for a long time in the offseason
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: and it's not just one World Series to decide how
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: everyone feels, but Just what does this World Series.
• 13:28
  Speaker 6: Mean to him? I think that's important to ask, right?
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be asking that, and I'm going to
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: also be asking the question is the way we're training
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: players in high school, college, the minor leagues, and preparing
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: them for earlier success than ever before, doesn't that play
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: into the success we're having of small market teams, especially
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: this year?
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: So we'll get into it with him, and it should
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: be interesting.
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: I'm on the SiriusXM pregame show, 5 to 8 Eastern,
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: if any of our listeners viewers want to listen to that.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: I'd appreciate it yeah 100 um ft fam make sure
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: you listen to that live rob manfred interview coming up
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: because we can't get him on so jb can on
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: his show appreciate you jb have fun with that.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks guys all right thank you jake see you.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: And of course gm territory is running and it will
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: get really hot in the off season two with the
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: Reagency topic, eventually lockout topic as well. So make sure
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: you check that out, QR code, or just type in
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: GM territory wherever you get your YouTube or podcasts. Hey,
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: a couple things. So first off, do we have this
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: from Jared Banner, who went with the Orioles?
• 14:35
  Speaker 6: He said he had a role. He wasn't. There it is.
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: Andy Koska, who covers the team, when they had the
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: intro press conference, Banner said he wasn't necessarily looking to leave.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: But upon meeting with Orioles execs, he was convinced. added
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: quote in baseball circles which is a long way from
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: twitter we know mike elias is one of the most
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: talented executives.
• 14:56
  Speaker 6: Little shot at the social medias huh.
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: That's one way to uh get your gm on or
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: your president baseball ops on your side that's one way
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: to start off and get and also by the way
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: that's one way to also get the fans already looking
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: for you to make a mistake so they can come
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: after you so it's sometimes better just not to acknowledge it.
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: On twitter A long way from Twitter or a long
• 15:19
  Speaker 5: way from lost window of all the prospects. And that
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: directly reflects what a pobo does.
• 15:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: To be fair here, because that was a funny shot.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Like no matter what you think of Michael Eysen, he
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: definitely has some talent.
• 15:35
  Speaker 8: Sure.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: He's a GM, pobo, whatever. He's had 10 years there.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: They really haven't had much success. So that has nothing
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: to do with social media.
• 15:45
  Speaker 8: That's a good way to make your boss happy. Good
• 15:49
  Speaker 8: way to make your boss happy. This ain't social media.
• 15:51
  Speaker 8: Take shots at their critics.
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 15:54
  Speaker 8: Take your shot. Take shots at your credit, at your
• 15:56
  Speaker 8: boss's critics, man. And your big boss is like, Oh,
• 15:58
  Speaker 8: I love this guy. I know defend me till the death.
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: He's sticking up for me. We got a five-year plan.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: Here we go.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Here comes banner with the five-year plan to extend everything.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, just, just from like a very, very neutral
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: look at things. I think even Mike Elias himself would
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: say this has been a pretty big failure for a decade.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: This team has not put a lot together.
• 16:20
  Speaker 8: No, he needs five more years.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: He just hired a new GM. He just hired a
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: new GM, Scott. He needs three and a half more
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: years to five.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: So he'll be pushing 15 years running that franchise if we.
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: Give him another five.
• 16:35
  Speaker 8: How many playoff wins?
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: All of them?
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: As many as I have.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Zero.
• 16:40
  Speaker 8: Zero. Not a single one.
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: Hey, shake it up.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: The search for a Mariners manager continues. And even actually
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: while we were doing the show, there was another update.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: So I'll give it to you fresh as Adam Jude
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: and Ryan Divish from the Seattle Times have been on this.
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: Ken has been on this.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: He was reporting some pieces of information the other day,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: including Rocco Baldelli. taking himself out of the mix. They
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: are actually down to two finalists. This is hot off
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the presses from Adam Jude. He said it's Espada and
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Jason Kanzler. They are both scheduled for in-person interviews. So
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: they've got interviews over these next couple days, and then
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: we should have an answer. I would say by the
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: end of the week at the latest, we are down
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: to two. AJ, if we're going off social media.
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: Who's Jason Kanzler?
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: Fire development guy with the Cubs.
• 17:41
  Speaker 8: Wait, what? So he obviously never played, right?
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: Player development coordinator with the Cubs.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 17:54
  Speaker 8: So I guess they're going different.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: That's the complete opposite of the two guys they had
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: before in Scott Service and Dan Wilson. So if he
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: never played, then that means he's completely the opposite.
• 18:05
  Speaker 8: He was a twin. He was a twin in the
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: minor leagues.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: He was a twin. Then he taught public school for
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: a few years. And he was building his performance training business.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: So why don't they just hire the guy from driveline
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: and call it a day?
• 18:20
  Speaker 8: And that way then.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: They can just say, hey, just do what we tell
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: you to do from up above and then swing up and.
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: Swing up and swing up.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: I feel like this is Joe Spada's job.
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: Sorry. I do too. Not to bury the lead.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: Nothing against Jason Kanzler because we have to Wikipedia him.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: I think the Mariners are at a different spot. If
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: the job was open last year with the Nats, I
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: think maybe that's a different conversation. I think the Mariners
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: having the opportunity to have a manager that managed in
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: the division, have an opportunity to pounce on the fact
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: that there's three openings just in your division, you go
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: and get Espada if he wants to go up to
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: the Northwest, like I... I just think it's tough. I
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: think you're comparing apples and oranges when you're comparing these
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: two guys without knowing Jason Kanzler at all.
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Kanzler. Here's the thing.
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: I'm not knocking Kanzler.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: Right, right.
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: I'm not knocking Kanzler at all. I don't know.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: I've never heard of him, so I don't know who
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: he is. I mean, he could be the greatest coach,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: teacher of all time. It's just hard, and what we're
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: seeing now is I feel like it's kind of turning back.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: It went away for a little while, and it went
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: to guys– I mean, Butera, Blake Butera in Washington, fine.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: But their pitching wasn't very good. How their bullpen was
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: run was very questionable. We've talked about this with Bo Showalter.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: If you don't have guys who have been around it
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: and actually managed and done managerial stuff and had to
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: run bullpens, it takes them a while to catch up.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: And look at the two managers that are in the
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: World Series. Pat Murphy put in his time. College, minor leagues,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: bench coach, big league manager. Kevin Cash was under– Terry
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Francona forever, and he's been in the head of the
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Rays for a long time.
• 20:11
  Speaker 8: He's made mistakes.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Remember 2020, he took Blake Snell out too early, right?
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: So he's learned, he's learned, he's learned. These guys are
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: all learning. When you get a guy fresh out, sorry,
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: the Mariners are a team that's still supposed to be
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: able to win right now. So you wanted a guy
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: you would think you'd go for the experienced guy, and
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: for me, that would be Joe Espada.
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: These are truly the last two left.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Some other guys with managerial experience, I guess Rocco Baldelli
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: took his name out of it, aren't being considered.
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: I'm not Jerry DiPoto. Um, but Hey, I just still
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: think this is, should be Joe Espada. If it's, these
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: are the last two guys left.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I could not agree with you guys more. And this
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: is how I'll cap the conversation. The Mariners need to
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: win now. This isn't the nationals that are on still
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: an extended plan and they're not really trying much. with
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: how they're putting their roster together in free agency, right?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Like they've done a nice job the first year of
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that group, but the Mariners have a ton of pressure
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: on them to capitalize with Julio Cal, all of those starters.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: We can go on and on very different place, like
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: to bring a PD guy in at this point and
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: see if it works for his first time as a manager.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: That is way too risky for where they're at as
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: an organization.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: That's my take. I'm with you guys. It's a clean sweep.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: A spot is going to get this job in the
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: next 48 hours.