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The Kenny Report | 1 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lona from the Skying You Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me again tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The closed shop at our busiest airport that helps keep
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  Speaker 2: competition like Rex at Bay and keep your airfares. High
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  Speaker 2: Power prices heading up for millions of Australians as the
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  Speaker 2: cold hard fact show just how much we need coal
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  Speaker 2: fired power. Teenage pro nuclear campaigner Will Shackle is back
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  Speaker 2: from his US visit to a nuclear power plant. Anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitism rears its head in Australia again as the world
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  Speaker 2: waits to see whether violence escalates in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 1: Also, Alexander Downa joins me from the US.
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  Speaker 2: Johanna Sleek and Mark Nicholson and I've cross to Hannah Hollis.
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  Speaker 1: For more Golden Olympic news. Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: We talked yesterday about Rex Airlines, how they've been forced
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  Speaker 2: into administration, hundreds of jobs have been lost and while
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  Speaker 2: their regional flights will continue, their effort to supply alternative
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  Speaker 2: jet services between our capital cities has ended.
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  Speaker 1: They forced competition when they were doing this.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, Rex were forcing competition with the big two
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  Speaker 2: airlines and that helped to push prices down. But it's
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  Speaker 2: all over now it's back to Quantus and Virgin ruling
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  Speaker 2: the skies between our major roots. We talked about how big,
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  Speaker 2: how the big airlines have made this hard for their
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  Speaker 2: competitors when it comes to getting slots at our airports,
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  Speaker 2: especially the busy hub of Sydney Airport. But it's actually
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  Speaker 2: a whole lot worse than I realized yesterday. Have a
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  Speaker 2: listened to the former chief of the A Triple C,
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  Speaker 2: the former competition boss in this country, and a lesson
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  Speaker 2: to him explained just what sort of a closed shop
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  Speaker 2: operates in this country.
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  Speaker 3: The government outsources the management of the slots at Sydney
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  Speaker 3: Airport to a company that's majority owned by Quantus and Virgin.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it is just unbelievable. So in Rex or
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  Speaker 3: in deed bondser who also wanted extra slots at Sydney Airport.
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  Speaker 3: When they when they want those key slots that they
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  Speaker 3: must have to be viable, they have to go and
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  Speaker 3: ask that essentially asked for them from quantisant Virgin. And
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  Speaker 3: of course they've also got to put their business plans
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  Speaker 3: before them. So the government sets this system up for failure,
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  Speaker 3: It sets this system up for adiopoly and therefore sets
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  Speaker 3: the system up for higher aviation for higher airline prices
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  Speaker 3: than Australians should be paying.
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  Speaker 1: Just incredible, isn't it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And sure enough, there it is.
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  Speaker 2: The company he was talking about, Airport Coordination Services, is
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  Speaker 2: the outfit that's its website. It manages the slots at
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  Speaker 2: Sydney Airport, among many others.
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  Speaker 1: And as reported.
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  Speaker 2: Here by the AFI last year, Quantus owns forty one
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  Speaker 2: percent and has a seat on the board, and Virgin
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  Speaker 2: also has a board representative and owns thirty five percent.
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  Speaker 2: So seventy six percent of this company is owned by
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  Speaker 2: the big two airlines and it's supposed to deliver neutral
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  Speaker 2: access to airport slots. No wonder our former competition boss
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  Speaker 2: is flabbergasted.
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  Speaker 3: You've got a system where quantusant Vergin control the management
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  Speaker 3: of slots. It's Sydney Airport. I mean you just cannot
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  Speaker 3: let that continue. You should stop it immediately, and I
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  Speaker 3: don't think they've done that.
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  Speaker 2: But incredibly, the Prime Minister, while looking at ways to
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  Speaker 2: help Rex, he seems to think the airport's slot issue
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  Speaker 2: is all under control.
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  Speaker 5: The reason why you can fly into places like Dubo
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  Speaker 5: in the morning and regional flights which are smaller than
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  Speaker 5: the big international flights, which obviously carry more. There's more
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  Speaker 5: passengers on an A three eighty than there is on
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  Speaker 5: a SAAB flight to a regional community. Is because there's
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  Speaker 5: a guarantee of slots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that access to regional slots. That
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  Speaker 2: regional access to those airport slots is the point. This
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  Speaker 2: arrangement with airport slots seems blatantly anti competitive, and it's
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  Speaker 2: about how it works for people trying to take on
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  Speaker 2: the big two on.
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  Speaker 1: Those major routes.
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  Speaker 2: If one of the main impediments to aviation competition is
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  Speaker 2: airport's slots, how can the big two airlines be allowed
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  Speaker 2: to own the company that manages the slots. You and I,
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  Speaker 2: as Rod Simms says, you and I are the ones
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  Speaker 2: who pay This needs serious examination and action.
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  Speaker 1: Just on the cost of living.
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  Speaker 2: I don't need to tell you it's still biting, that
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  Speaker 2: family budgets are hurting and that small businesses are struggling
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  Speaker 2: with inflation ticking up again.
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday, it was pretty incredible.
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  Speaker 2: To see the labor government and their barrickers seeming to
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  Speaker 2: celebrate this, presumably because it wasn't as bad as it
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  Speaker 2: might have been, but it's still higher, inflation still causing pain.
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  Speaker 1: Yet the treasurer, well, he's pretty smug.
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  Speaker 6: There are a number of factors playing out in today's numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them are international, some of them are domestic.
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  Speaker 7: But what's really clear is that inflation would be higher
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  Speaker 7: were it not for the cost of living relief that
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  Speaker 7: we're rolling out.
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  Speaker 1: The ABS made that clear. Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: You can quote statistics if you like, or you can
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  Speaker 2: deal in the real world.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the pinch points in the.
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  Speaker 2: Real world is electricity prices, and they continue to go
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  Speaker 2: up because of Labour's renewable energy obsession. In fact, millions
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  Speaker 2: of consumers in many parts of the country are facing
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  Speaker 2: increases in their gas and electricity.
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  Speaker 1: Prices as of today, August.
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  Speaker 2: The first is the kick in date in many cases
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  Speaker 2: for the annual price increases. So the squeeze again is
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  Speaker 2: about to get tighter. And just on that, I want
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  Speaker 2: to point out a fascinating fact toward brought to our
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  Speaker 2: attention by the Financial Review yesterday they've reported on the
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  Speaker 2: massive Arring coal fired power station having its highest output
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  Speaker 2: for five years. Origin Energy's giant Arering coal power station
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  Speaker 2: in New South Wales produced its highest level for five years.
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  Speaker 2: Over the past year, the AFA the AFR reported showing
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  Speaker 2: the market's heavy reliance on the generator that made its
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  Speaker 2: planned closure in twenty twenty five unfeasible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: This is the power station on the New South Wales
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  Speaker 2: central coast that was slotted for closure next year as
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  Speaker 2: the climate policies of the New South Wales and federal
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  Speaker 2: governments favor renewables and deliberately try to force the closure
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  Speaker 2: of coal power stations. The only trouble is renewables are
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  Speaker 2: intermittent and unreliable, and the crackpot schemes of the politicians
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  Speaker 2: to store energy here and there and shunt it around
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  Speaker 2: here and there, well they.
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  Speaker 1: Just don't work.
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  Speaker 2: So now taxpayers will pay aurring hundreds of millions of
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  Speaker 2: dollars a year to keep going as we desperately need
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  Speaker 2: the power. Yep, the power station they subsidized renewables to
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  Speaker 2: force out is now producing more power than it has
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  Speaker 2: for five years because we need it to keep the
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  Speaker 2: lights on and drive prices down, and so we're now
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  Speaker 2: subsidizing it to keep going. What madness, But thank goodness
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  Speaker 2: we've still got coal. Because right now, I just.
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  Speaker 1: Wanted to check this.
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  Speaker 2: I checked it just a moment ago before we came
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  Speaker 2: on here via the national electricity grid app right now
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  Speaker 2: with coal and gas is supplying over eighty percent of
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  Speaker 2: the national electricity. It's up around ninety percent in Victoria
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  Speaker 2: just at the moment. So our national energy self harm
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  Speaker 2: continues to hurt all of us. And of course the
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  Speaker 2: higher power prices it's delivering are unnecessarily driving up inflation.
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  Speaker 2: And just on climate policies, I want to show you
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  Speaker 2: another example of the media getting excited about their globe
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  Speaker 2: warming narrative.
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  Speaker 1: Even in this land of droughts and.
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  Speaker 2: Flooding rains, we don't seem to have plain old weather
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  Speaker 2: variability anymore. The media and the politicians, and too often
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  Speaker 2: even the Weather Bureau, they want to relate everything to
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  Speaker 2: their climate alarmist agender. And there was plenty of coverage
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  Speaker 2: just a month or so ago about how another late
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  Speaker 2: start to the notoriously fickle Australian ski season was the
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  Speaker 2: harbinger of doom for snow sports in this country.
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  Speaker 8: If the world drastically cuts emissions, the ski season will
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  Speaker 8: be longer in twenty eighty than twenty fifty. As the
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  Speaker 8: climate system bounces.
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  Speaker 9: Back that will actually create a long term cooling effect
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  Speaker 9: on the Alps.
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  Speaker 7: New modeling reggae from ANU this week shows that this
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  Speaker 7: is only going to get worse due to the effects
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  Speaker 7: of climate change. Is this the new normal for our
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  Speaker 7: snow seasons and our resorts? Do you think prepared for that?
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  Speaker 10: Basically unless there's some action taken on climate change in
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  Speaker 10: reducing emissions. As a fairly grim picture and thread bow,
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  Speaker 10: they make all their snow with renewable energy SODA's Perisher,
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  Speaker 10: so we need more the resorts doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, renewable energy in the resource that'll fix it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Look it's fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: It was a tough first start to the snow skis
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  Speaker 2: and I was in the mountains myself in early July.
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  Speaker 2: There wasn't a lot of snow there, but we managed
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  Speaker 2: to get by. But since then there have been some
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  Speaker 2: good dumps and it's happy times in the Australian Alps
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  Speaker 2: at the moment.
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  Speaker 11: Bustling ski fields a threadbow for the final week of
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  Speaker 11: the school holidays, a white blanket of snow, making conditions
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  Speaker 11: ideal for hitting the slopes. At Perisher, it was equally
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  Speaker 11: as busy, one meter of snow expected to dump this week.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to Mount Buller first. Is it cold enough
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  Speaker 1: for snow there yet?
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  Speaker 12: Story is beautifully for the last two days, probably about that.
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  Speaker 6: The mercury at the moment proppering around zero.
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  Speaker 4: It feels like temperature spinus tin.
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  Speaker 7: So that's the windy weather.
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  Speaker 13: What about the cold.
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  Speaker 3: Looking at our snow forecast.
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  Speaker 8: We can see the snow flaring across the eastern ranges of.
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  Speaker 1: Victoria and southeast New South Wales.
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  Speaker 13: Another thirty to fifty centimeters of snow is possible across
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  Speaker 13: the weekend through our alpine resorts.
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  Speaker 14: In Falls Creek at that base of eighty six centimeters,
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  Speaker 14: which is really nice. We've got a serious snowpat in
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  Speaker 14: now Hotham where we saw the upperlus a whole, and
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  Speaker 14: in Brewer morelosen terrain open last weekend, which is great,
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  Speaker 14: and that's a story across all the resorts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a cracking season in the high country again
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  Speaker 2: and it could be another dusting over the weekend. And
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  Speaker 2: just like Tim Flannery telling us that rivers and dams
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  Speaker 2: would never fill again, you wouldn't want to ride off
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  Speaker 2: our ski fields too soon. I have more tonight on
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  Speaker 2: the repercussions of those stunning targeted attacks by Israel against
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  Speaker 2: its terrorist enemies, because responses are likely, it's just the
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  Speaker 2: scale and the methods of the terrorist responses that's in question,
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  Speaker 2: and whether this leads to a wider war in the region.
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  Speaker 2: As I highlighted yesterday, one attack was confirmed and claimed
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  Speaker 2: by Israel, the Hesbalah commander Faud Suka killed in Lebanon,
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  Speaker 2: and the other killing the Hummas leader Ismael Honeyer, taken
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  Speaker 2: out by a missile attack in Iran, a targeted hit
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  Speaker 2: clearly delivered by Israel, but won their unlikely to claim.
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  Speaker 2: The Iranian leadership has already vowed retaliation.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Both these men were murderous senior operatives of their respective
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  Speaker 2: Islamist extremist terrorist outfits.
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  Speaker 1: Honeier once led Hamas in.
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  Speaker 2: Gaza before basing himself in Qatar and directing operations from there.
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  Speaker 2: His fatal mistake might have been leaving that country to
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  Speaker 2: meet his Iranian backers. Have a look at the chance
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  Speaker 2: that broke out in Tehran just two days ago when
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  Speaker 2: Honeyer was in their parliamentary chamber for the swearing in
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  Speaker 2: of the president.
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  Speaker 15: Oh Yukas Haskonan dar Kodam's.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, just for good measure.
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  Speaker 2: When in Iran you always have to denounce the other
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  Speaker 2: great Satan. How can you reason with this regime. I've
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  Speaker 2: been to Tehran, I've sat in meetings with these religious
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  Speaker 2: and political leaders, and they are viscerally committed to the
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  Speaker 2: destruction of Israel.
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  Speaker 1: That's their stated goal. It has been for years.
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  Speaker 2: And remember its Iranian money and Iranian weapons and Iranian
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  Speaker 2: strategy that drives the Hezbala rocket barrages that have killed.
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  Speaker 1: So many innocent Israelis.
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  Speaker 2: And it's believed to have been Iran that gave the
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  Speaker 2: impromata for the October seventh to seventh massacre by Hamas.
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  Speaker 2: Iran also backs in arms the Hutis who have attacked
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  Speaker 2: Israel recently as well. Still here in Australia, the ABC's
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  Speaker 2: global commentator seems to think that Israel has made a
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  Speaker 2: mistake by striking back at its enemies while in Iran.
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  Speaker 11: If Israel is behind the assassination, why would they want
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  Speaker 11: to kill Hamasa's chief negotiator on the ceasefire now.
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  Speaker 15: Especially given that it's in Iran, and if anything, will
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  Speaker 15: push Iran to give the signal to Hezbolah to go
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  Speaker 15: ahead with increased hostilities against Israel will be the killing
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  Speaker 15: in Iran.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's one view. I think Israel must defend itself.
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  Speaker 2: I think Israeli defense, security and intelligence officials will have
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  Speaker 2: a very good idea about the possible repercussions. And I
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  Speaker 2: think the alternative of Israel just accepting murderous attacks without
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  Speaker 2: defending itself is unthinkable. Israel knows it will be attacked
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  Speaker 2: by people committed to its destruction it has ever been.
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  Speaker 2: Thus what it should get is more support from the
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  Speaker 2: international community.
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  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
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  Speaker 2: Also in Australia today, the Iranian embassy has been flying
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  Speaker 2: its flag at half masted, presumably in recognition of the
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  Speaker 2: Hummas Leader, a murderous terrorist leader honored in Canberra today.
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  Speaker 2: That is pretty confronting and pretty sickening. Australians, meanwhile, are
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  Speaker 2: being worn to leave Lebanon, where many thousand of Ossies
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  Speaker 2: have relatives and visit regularly. There are fears that war
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  Speaker 2: could break out across the Lebanese border again between Israel
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  Speaker 2: and Hesbalah, and it could be hard for Australians to
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  Speaker 2: leave once that happens. Nearly ten months on from the
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  Speaker 2: October the seventh atrocities, the repercussions continue and they're still
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  Speaker 2: likely to escalate. Remember, more than a hundred hostages are
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  Speaker 2: still held by Hummas, and the international community has been
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  Speaker 2: far too busy admonishing Israel to place the pressure where
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  Speaker 2: it's really needed on Hummas, on Hezbalah and on Iran.
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  Speaker 1: Now, just on.
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  Speaker 2: Anti Semitism in Australia, have a look at what happened
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  Speaker 2: to a Jewish man in Melbourne when he tried to
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  Speaker 2: get some newspaper articles laminated at office works?
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  Speaker 15: What's that I'm pro Palestine, that's okay here to do
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  Speaker 15: a job of laminade?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Jobs?
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  Speaker 3: Is that an office works position or your personal position?
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  Speaker 8: It is an officer.
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  Speaker 16: We have the right to deny jobs.
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  Speaker 3: So office works position is that you're propeller signing you won't.
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  Speaker 12: Take Why that's my position, But we have the right.
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  Speaker 2: To deny jobs.
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  Speaker 3: What's the reason of denying.
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  Speaker 13: If I'm not comfortably proceeding with it?
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: What disgraceful discrimination and intolerance. I think that we've all
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  Speaker 2: got a right to stop spending our money at office works.
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  Speaker 2: Let me bring in liberal MP and member of the
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  Speaker 2: Jewish community, Julian Lisa Julian, thanks for joining us. So
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  Speaker 2: you gave a speech this week about anti semitism in
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  Speaker 2: this country. When you see that example from Office Works,
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  Speaker 2: it must be just gut wrenching.
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  Speaker 1: It's a shocking example. Chris.
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  Speaker 17: My grandmother grew up in Germany and they left Germany
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  Speaker 17: in nineteen thirty six because Jews at that point were
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  Speaker 17: being refused service and shops, and that, to the family
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  Speaker 17: was the signal that it was time to get out.
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  Speaker 17: This isn't government policy, but if it's Office Works policy,
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  Speaker 17: the Office Works CEO hang his head in shame. Where
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  Speaker 17: is he condemning? Where is the Minister for Fair Trading
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  Speaker 17: condemning this? Where is the Assistant treasurer who is responsible
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  Speaker 17: for transactions at retail shops condemning these activities? Too often
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  Speaker 17: we see anti semitism in this country unanswered by.
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  Speaker 1: Leaders in positions of authorities.
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  Speaker 17: Where's the Victorian Human Rights Commission, Where's the Australian Human Rights?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, human Rights Commissioning, They're a blind eye to this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that Office Works are saying their policy has
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  Speaker 2: been misapplied in that sense, but they need to come
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  Speaker 2: out and be clearer and stronger. And as you say,
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  Speaker 2: human rights groups and authorities in this country just go
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  Speaker 2: absent and a wall on this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us about your speech.
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  Speaker 2: You were launching a photographic exhibition looking at the horrors
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  Speaker 2: of October the seventh, and you're talking about the repercussions
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  Speaker 2: here in Australia.
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  Speaker 17: Chris, is a very important exhibition at the Sydney Jewish
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  Speaker 17: Museum of photographs taken by the Filipino Australian artist Emmanuel Santos.
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  Speaker 17: They are images of the Kibbutzim and the Nova Music Festival,
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  Speaker 17: the aftermath of the September of the October seven attacks.
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  Speaker 17: There are some really arresting images. There's burnt out cars.
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  Speaker 17: The thing that got me as a parent was this
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  Speaker 17: image of a children's toy monkey that was hanging from
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  Speaker 17: a shelf in the same room that the child who
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  Speaker 17: owned the monkey have.
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  Speaker 1: Been murdered earlier that day.
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  Speaker 17: We need to be reminded of the horrors of October seven, because,
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  Speaker 17: as you pointed out rightly in your editorial, there is
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  Speaker 17: not an adequate acknowledgment of that in terms of the
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  Speaker 17: response that the world has given to the events that
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  Speaker 17: have occurred since that time, and the great tragedy in
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  Speaker 17: this country and right around the West.
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  Speaker 1: Has been instead of siding with the.
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  Speaker 17: Victims of terror, too many people have been blaming the
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  Speaker 17: victims and siding with the perpetrators. And that's what we've
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  Speaker 17: seen with this terrible anti semitism here.
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  Speaker 2: The victim blaming is extraordinary. I there's happening in any
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  Speaker 2: other sphere of life, That's what it would be called,
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  Speaker 2: it would be called out. But it continues even now
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  Speaker 2: as Israel tries to take out the leadership of Hesbalah
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  Speaker 2: and Hummus. What do you fear in terms of a
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  Speaker 2: broader confrontation, the broader warfare in the Middle East?
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  Speaker 17: Now, well, the frame that you put it in your
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  Speaker 17: editorial was exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: This is all about Iran.
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  Speaker 17: I have been calling for months for Australia to reconsider
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  Speaker 17: its diplomatic relations with Iran. Why are we giving that
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  Speaker 17: country legitimacy of a diplomatic relationship, particularly when Iran is
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  Speaker 17: the great exporter of terror. Hiszballah has destroyed Lebanon as
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  Speaker 17: a functioning democracy. Hamas is responsible for the single largest
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  Speaker 17: murder of Jewish people on a single day since the Holocaust.
• 19:32
  Speaker 17: Iran continues to destabilize countries and They particularly hate Israel,
• 19:37
  Speaker 17: and we saw them saying death to Israel in the
• 19:39
  Speaker 17: Iranian Parliament.
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  Speaker 1: Why.
• 19:40
  Speaker 17: Because Israel stands for everything there against. It stands for freedom,
• 19:43
  Speaker 17: democracy and the rule of law. Iran wants to export
• 19:46
  Speaker 17: its own brand of theocracy around the world. We should
• 19:48
  Speaker 17: stand up against it. It's why Peter Dutton's visit Israel
• 19:52
  Speaker 17: the moment is so important. This is what real leadership
• 19:54
  Speaker 17: looks like, Chris Peter Dutton standing with the only demo
• 19:58
  Speaker 17: democracy in the Middle East. Why hasn't Our and Easy
• 20:00
  Speaker 17: visited Israel since the October seven attacks? Why did Penny
• 20:04
  Speaker 17: Wong not do what Peter Dutton is doing and go
• 20:06
  Speaker 17: south to see the name of music festival site to
• 20:09
  Speaker 17: see the Kibbuzim Because scene's believing and talking to hostages,
• 20:14
  Speaker 17: talking to people whose families have been murdered on site
• 20:19
  Speaker 17: really brings you a memory of a powerful memory and
• 20:22
  Speaker 17: a powerful image that helps motivate policy. And I think
• 20:25
  Speaker 17: this government has been far two hands off.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: It was an.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Important visit by Peter Dutton, and even more important now
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: given the timing, would have been a very appropriate time
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: to show support for as well, given what's unfollowing at
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: the moment.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, Julian. Thanks Chris, I
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: appreciate it, Julian, Lisa. They are liberal MP.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I want to now go to a national MP from
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Victoria and Webster.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: She's in Mildura, Victoria. Good to talk to you, Anna.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I've got to go back to this domestic issue of
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Rex and regional airlines and particularly this point that the
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Rod Simms has highlighted today and I talked about the.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Top of the program.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: It seems extraordinary that if the big barrier to the
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: proper competition in this country is airport slots, that a
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: company joined on by Quantus and Virgin controls the slots,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: how can this arrangement stand.
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: Well, you raise a very good question, Chris. Great to
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: be with you. It can't stand and the Albanezi government
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: needs to deal with this.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: The report was given.
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: Catherine King is sitting on her hands, you know, seeing
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: what her department will tell her to do. They need
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: to understand that it's completely inappropriate for Quantus and Virgin
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: to basically manage who flies where and when and when.
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: I live in the regions, along with seven million less
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: one people who live in the regions. Many of us
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: have regional airports such as Mildura. We have eight REX
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: flights in and out of Mildura every day and that
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: is at risk. People need healthcare, people need to manage
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: their businesses. This is a really serious issue that the
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: alban Easy Labor government needs to take seriously and act on.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: It's going to be split up, right because everybody understands
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: the need for that regional service, and it looks like
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: the government, the state governments and the federalment look at
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: ways to protect REX, to make sure you protect those
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: regional services. And don't get me wrong, that's a good thing.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I know how vital they are for regional access. But
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: it's this other issue too. If you really want genuine
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: competition in the airline sector, it's those major city routes
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: where the money is there to be made and where
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: we need the competition, and it seems they're able to
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: squeeze that out. I mean, what REX would try to do,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: We'll get bigger and try and get bigger and more profitable,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and that might have led them to have even better
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: regional services, but they've been cut off at the past, really.
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: Really absolutely, and why shouldn't REX be able to have
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: that opportunity. That's what a free market looks like. Government
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: handouts are not always the answer, and in this situation,
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: what needs to be fixed are the policies. I'm so
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: pleased that Rod Sims has come out and spoken about
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: this and put a light on what we're sitting in
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: a dark paper in somebody's draw rather than the public
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: knowing about it. It's just not appropriate. It is damaging
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: to our own free market in the air space, and
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: it's such an important part of our travel arrangements.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe the Triple secret first forced Virgin Quantas to sell
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: out of this airport's coordinating company and sell it to
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Rex Perhaps see how that goes. Thanks for joining us then,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and I appreciate it. And Webster their nationals MP from
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the northwestern part of Victoria based around the mill Dura there.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Now we're going to get to a break on the
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: other side, and I'll be catching up the cartoonist and
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the animator Johannes Lincoln mart Nicholson. We'll talk about Anthony
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Albanesi's renewable strategy, losing voter support, and also new details
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: on China's doping fiasco.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: How good is this.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: We've got the country's greatest political cartoonist Johanna Sleek and
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: also the country's greatest political animator, Mark Nicholson. Great to
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: speak to you two guys again. Thanks for joining us,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Johanna stepping into the breach for Tim Blair, who's off
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: waltzing around the place a bit. Let's talk about renewable
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: energy and Mark. This latest survey by Redbridge Polling showing
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: that more than half of Australians are starting to wake
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: up and eventually, no matter all the spin and the
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: lives from the politicians, people are realizing it's this renewables
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: push that is pushing up prices.
• 24:40
  Speaker 16: Yeah, and fifty fifty four percent of people, which is
• 24:44
  Speaker 16: which I don't know if I was shocked by that number,
• 24:47
  Speaker 16: because I was like, what are the other forty six
• 24:48
  Speaker 16: percent say? You know, fifty four percent said yes, what
• 24:52
  Speaker 16: did the rest of them say?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Dr?
• 24:53
  Speaker 16: I don't know what they said, but Ukraine, reality's probably
• 24:57
  Speaker 16: six yeah, yeah, Ukraine, you know, uncertain global crisis, all
• 25:02
  Speaker 16: that sort of stuff. But it was just a matter
• 25:03
  Speaker 16: of time until this whole swindle falls over. And I'm
• 25:07
  Speaker 16: hoping that you know, Alban Easy and Bowen are seeing
• 25:10
  Speaker 16: that the wind is changing and maybe it's going a
• 25:12
  Speaker 16: little dark and gloomy on this whole, this whole swindle
• 25:15
  Speaker 16: and lie that maybe they need to change course. They
• 25:17
  Speaker 16: probably won't, unfortunately, you know, and it's a bit of
• 25:20
  Speaker 16: a shame. So there's only so long that we can
• 25:22
  Speaker 16: all be burdened with this cost of trying to solve
• 25:26
  Speaker 16: our one percent emissions for a global crisis. You know,
• 25:31
  Speaker 16: small businesses like mine, we're going around closing laptops, making
• 25:33
  Speaker 16: sure we don't go into liquidation. I just don't care
• 25:36
  Speaker 16: about us and the cost on us as much as
• 25:38
  Speaker 16: they cared about climate change.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Wakay, a windmill on the roof of your joint there
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: in Fitzroy, that will help it. Yeah, that's what cracks
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: me up about this is they're spending hundreds of billions
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: of dollars estimates say, perhaps a thousand billion dollars doing this.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: It's taking decade after decade, it's failing, and all the
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: engineers tell us it won't work anyway. Yet they say
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: nuclear will be too expensive and take too long.
• 26:01
  Speaker 18: Yeah, it's just beyond beyond parody really. I mean, you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 18: do you remember when Chris Bowen said that the sun
• 26:12
  Speaker 18: doesn't send you an invoice and the wind might send
• 26:14
  Speaker 18: you a bill.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Well, somebody is sending me invoices and.
• 26:18
  Speaker 18: Bills every month, every every quarter. I don't really care
• 26:23
  Speaker 18: who's sending them. But I'm still paying more for power
• 26:26
  Speaker 18: than I should be. And it's just you know, and
• 26:31
  Speaker 18: a nuclear plant can last something like eighty years. You've
• 26:35
  Speaker 18: got to change the solar panels and the wind turbines
• 26:38
  Speaker 18: every fifteen to twenty years or something.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is talk about renewable. You've got to renew.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: You've got to renew them every every couple of decades.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: And you've got to spread them across every bit of
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: coastline and every ridge line around the country. And I'll
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: have another example of local zarking up about a wind.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Farm next week.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: While I've got you though, Yohannahs. We talked last night
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: to your mate Fred Paul about this. Have to get
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: rid of sharknets along a new South Wales and Queensland beaches.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Now, I know you're a surfer, so you'd be a
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: tuned to all this.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Now, I think a lot of the beaches you surf
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: out unprotected. But do you think this is why it's
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: just to pull the nets out and see what happens.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: I think this is just madness.
• 27:18
  Speaker 18: And but it's it's the sort of classic case where
• 27:22
  Speaker 18: ideology trump's reason again. And but you know this is
• 27:27
  Speaker 18: going to have some seriously gruesome consequences. But you know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 18: there's no there's no sort of discouraging or convincing these
• 27:37
  Speaker 18: zealots who you know, until the attacks sort of start
• 27:42
  Speaker 18: coming thick and fast, which they which they will, you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 18: they won't, they won't be They simply won't be convinced
• 27:51
  Speaker 18: of a different argument.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: So it's pretty scary.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I'd just whack all these counselors and greenies and what have,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: just put them in a pair of flippers and drop
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: them into the boat. And so there you go, you guys,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: dismantled the nets. Let us know what it's all done.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: And I hope it's all good out there for you.
• 28:06
  Speaker 18: That's right, one of those one of those cages, and
• 28:09
  Speaker 18: then take the cage off and say see how you go.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Now, Mark, I've got to get your thoughts on some
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Olympic action. A couple of Chinese athletes tested positive for steroids.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: You know this, this will happen in most international global meats.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Of course, that great Chinese swimmer dopeing, but blamed that
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: blamed This time I've apparently blamed. Said the blame might
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: lie in the Aussie meat. They've been eating Australian steak
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: and that might have doped them up.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Don't you dare talk like that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 16: It's a declaration of warring my books. If you blame
• 28:47
  Speaker 16: these people came out looking like a gym stock filled
• 28:50
  Speaker 16: with potatoes. They were lumpy, they were all over the joint.
• 28:53
  Speaker 16: It's absurd if you're going to blame good Australian beef
• 28:57
  Speaker 16: for hold, what do they say, I hold some metham
• 29:00
  Speaker 16: mean or some sort of some sort of weird enhancing
• 29:03
  Speaker 16: drug and her. Don't you dare not in my country.
• 29:05
  Speaker 16: You can put subs in the harbor, but don't you
• 29:07
  Speaker 16: blame Ozsie beef for your actions like that? That is
• 29:11
  Speaker 16: a declaration of.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: War in my book.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, if it's all about Ozzie beef, what
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: happened to the Matilda's I say they would have been
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: a chund down on plenty of Australian beef.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Now let's go to American politics.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I got to get your thoughts on this, and Johannas,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: you've got some history on this issue that we'll get to.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: But Donald Trump on the vexed issue of identity politics
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: and the way it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Plays out, especially in America.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Well, he's weighed in with all of his usual subtlety.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Here's the Trumpster.
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: I've known her a long time, indirectly, not directly very much,
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: and she was always of Indian heritage, and she was
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: only promoting Indian heritage. I didn't know she was black
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: until a number of years ago when she happened to
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: turn black. And now she wants to be known as black.
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: So I don't know is she Indian or is she black.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: She has always.
• 30:00
  Speaker 16: Whack college.
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: I respect either one, but she obviously doesn't because she
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: was Indian all the way and then all of a sudden,
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: she made a turn and she went she became a black.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Just to be clear, Well, this is a very very
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: ugly debate.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I hate it when people talk about people's racial backgrounds
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: like that. But in America, you have to understand, of course,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: there's a very distinct black community that usually means the
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: African American community. A lot of them descended from the
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: slaves of days gone by, and it's a very distinct community.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: And they're saying is she part of that or is
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: she part of the Indian community and she has used
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: different terms before, but that you know, Trump is going
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: to get a lot of criticism.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: But that's the sort of issue he's getting to.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And of course it was put front and center back
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: when Joe Biden first chose Kamala Harris as he's running mate,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: and he spoke about it like.
• 30:48
  Speaker 19: This, and this morning, all across the nation, little girls
• 30:54
  Speaker 19: woke up, especially little black and brown girls who so
• 30:57
  Speaker 19: often feel overlooked and under value in their communities. But
• 31:02
  Speaker 19: today today, es, maybe they're seeing themselves for the first
• 31:08
  Speaker 19: time in a new way as the stuff of president
• 31:12
  Speaker 19: and vice president.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: There he is, and Johannes, you were onto that way
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: back into the at the time, the patronizing attitude, the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: real focus on identity politics, and your cartoon at the
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: times is it's time to heal a nation divided by racism.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: So I'll hand you over this little brown girl while
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I go for a lie down. You're on the house sleeper,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: he was getting. But you've got to tack You've got
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: to tacked over the racial undertones of that cartoon.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: You were lampooing the absolute racial stereotyping of and focus
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: on identity politics of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
• 31:48
  Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and thanks for dredging that cartoon back
• 31:54
  Speaker 18: out in Chris, I'll be canceled all over again.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: So so thanks very much.
• 32:00
  Speaker 18: I mean, ultimately, the identity politics road is a dead
• 32:06
  Speaker 18: end and and it's a terrible, you know, road to
• 32:10
  Speaker 18: go down. And I mean Trump's shown that, you know,
• 32:14
  Speaker 18: with his characteristic sort of clumsiness, he's kind of fallen
• 32:18
  Speaker 18: right into this trap. And and really, you know, it's
• 32:24
  Speaker 18: it's a it's a no win game. The left plays
• 32:27
  Speaker 18: the identity politics game. They weaponize race all the time, and.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: As you just saw in that clip from Biden.
• 32:36
  Speaker 18: But I think Trump's got will be careful here because
• 32:41
  Speaker 18: you've got to rise above that. I just, I just
• 32:43
  Speaker 18: I yearn for a time when people are, you know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 18: judged by the content of their character and we can
• 32:50
  Speaker 18: get past this category endless sort of categorization of people
• 32:55
  Speaker 18: according to their race or their sexuality and all this
• 32:57
  Speaker 18: sort of identity stuff.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I think your spot on I agree with you wholeheartedly.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Although and while I hate the ugliness of what the
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: way Trump expresses this, I think it's deliberate I think
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: he's clever, dangerously clever. Though I think he says this
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: because he wants this argument, because he wants to expose
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: their focus on identity politics, and he doesn't care how
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: much abuse is thrown his way.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: And it's front of center in the US. Now we
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: will see.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: But it's a very very ugly debate, but both sides, unfortunately,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: are playing it from different angles. Just before we go, quickly, Mark,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: I've got to get your thoughts on the King. Apparently
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: King Charles not taking calls from Harry anymore.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: That wouldn't surprise anyone, would it.
• 33:41
  Speaker 16: Why would you take the calls from Harry when you
• 33:43
  Speaker 16: know he's immediately going to go and play the victim
• 33:47
  Speaker 16: again with whatever you say to him. If I was
• 33:50
  Speaker 16: King Charles, I wouldn't be answering the phone to him,
• 33:52
  Speaker 16: that's for sure. But it does look like you know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 16: I was thinking the other week, I was, I haven't
• 33:56
  Speaker 16: heard from Harry and Meagan for a while, and then
• 33:59
  Speaker 16: all of a sudden, they just kick off another leg
• 34:01
  Speaker 16: of this worldwide privacy tour of Southwark so brilliantly put it,
• 34:06
  Speaker 16: And it does look like that, and they're just out
• 34:07
  Speaker 16: here playing the victim again and again trying to wrap
• 34:10
  Speaker 16: it up. He's trying to claim some more money for
• 34:12
  Speaker 16: security or something, even though he's flying on Thanks gets
• 34:15
  Speaker 16: into the country.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks for calling back down.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I just to let you know Netflix are recording this
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: conversation for the next series. Thanks for joining us, Smart
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: and Yo, Hannah, so appreciate it.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Catch up with you next week. We've got to get
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: to a break.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: On the other side of that, we're going to talk
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: about a time for regeneration and a massive, massive shakeup
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: for the Matildas after their Olympics failure. Also the nuclear
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: power myths now that are being debunked. Let's go to
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Paris and the Olympics and catch up with Fox Sports
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Hannah Hollis again and Hannah Been another big twenty four
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: hours and the bad news from Australia's point of view
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: was the Matilda's getting beaten by the US. They're out
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: of the Olympics. But gee the lost coach already quick reaction.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Oh goodness me.
• 35:05
  Speaker 13: Yeah, wonderful to chat with you, Chris. So the Matilda's
• 35:07
  Speaker 13: rain at this camp this Olympics is over, but so too,
• 35:10
  Speaker 13: as you mentioned, is the reign of head coach Toniga
• 35:12
  Speaker 13: stuffs And, who in the last twenty four hours has
• 35:15
  Speaker 13: officially parted ways with the national side after what has been, Chris,
• 35:20
  Speaker 13: the worst Olympic campaign from our women's football side in
• 35:24
  Speaker 13: two decades. We lost to Team USA two to one
• 35:27
  Speaker 13: last night. We opened our Olympic campaign with a three
• 35:29
  Speaker 13: no loss against Germany and then a miracle six to
• 35:32
  Speaker 13: five comeback against Zambia that I think, if we're all honest,
• 35:35
  Speaker 13: was helped by an own goal with the African country. Yes,
• 35:39
  Speaker 13: Toniga stuffs And has done wonderful things for women's football
• 35:41
  Speaker 13: in his four year cycle, but these are results we
• 35:44
  Speaker 13: cannot accept. So now we have to look ahead to
• 35:47
  Speaker 13: the Asia Cup in twenty twenty six, the World Cup
• 35:49
  Speaker 13: in twenty twenty seven, and then twenty twenty eight LA
• 35:52
  Speaker 13: Olympic Games. The hunt is on for a new head
• 35:55
  Speaker 13: coach of the Matildas.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Now I'll tell you what. There'll be a few people
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: putting up their hands, that's for sure.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Now that one of the best stories of this Olympics,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: the smiling face of success from Jess Fox.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: And she's done it again.
• 36:07
  Speaker 13: Right, What can't Jess Fox do at the moment, Chris,
• 36:13
  Speaker 13: She's got the midst touch. Everything she touches turns to gold,
• 36:16
  Speaker 13: from flag bear of duties to then getting the double
• 36:19
  Speaker 13: in her C one and K one events, and the
• 36:21
  Speaker 13: C one defense of her title that she won in Tokyo,
• 36:25
  Speaker 13: she said was the best race of her life. And
• 36:27
  Speaker 13: she loved seeing all the Aussie fans in the grandstand,
• 36:31
  Speaker 13: in the green and gold, waving their flags, and she
• 36:33
  Speaker 13: felt the nation on her shoulders. It was such a
• 36:36
  Speaker 13: technical event and she handled the pressure beautifully and she
• 36:39
  Speaker 13: becomes one of Australia's most decorated athletes, the most decorated
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  Speaker 13: in fact in canoe slalom history, and the only Australian
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  Speaker 13: Olympian to achieve six individual medals across her Olympic ten
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  Speaker 13: young Here's what she had to say after winning that gold.
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  Speaker 9: Sitting on that start line, knowing what the German Eleanor
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: Lillik had done as a time, it was a really
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  Speaker 9: fast time. I knew that I had to leave it
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  Speaker 9: all out there. I knew I had to nail every
• 37:05
  Speaker 9: single technical move out there and that I had to
• 37:08
  Speaker 9: gun it from start to finish. And so you know,
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  Speaker 9: for me to be able to put that out there
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  Speaker 9: in an Olympic final to go and defend an Olympic title.
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  Speaker 9: It's just the best moment as an athlete when you've
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  Speaker 9: worked so hard for so many years physically, technically, when
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: it all comes together mentally and then you execute it,
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  Speaker 9: it just feels so good.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: She is such a ripper, such a great ambassador for
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  Speaker 2: our country and for her sport and her family support
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  Speaker 2: and the highs and lows.
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic stuff from Jess Fox. Now another person.
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  Speaker 2: I think who represents the country so well as the
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: former South Australian. He's still the hails from South Australia,
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  Speaker 2: of course, Kyle Chalmers in the pool.
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  Speaker 1: It took a world record to beat him, but he
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: gave it he's all and I thought he spoke brilliantly
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  Speaker 1: afterwards as well.
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  Speaker 13: Chris, this one is awesome because for the first night
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  Speaker 13: at the Olympic we actually haven't had Australia take any
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  Speaker 13: gold home in the pool. But I tell you what,
• 38:03
  Speaker 13: it took two enormous performances to keep the likes of
• 38:07
  Speaker 13: Zach Doubletecook and Kyl Chalmers off the top of the podium.
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  Speaker 13: Zach Doubletey Cook got silver in the two hundred meters breaststroke.
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  Speaker 13: And if I can tell you some news that we've
• 38:16
  Speaker 13: just received. Chris, he swam that silver medal race with
• 38:20
  Speaker 13: COVID on day five of taking a week's long worth
• 38:23
  Speaker 13: of anti virals. He said he was stoked with the
• 38:26
  Speaker 13: win and he absolutely should be taking silver home. And
• 38:30
  Speaker 13: he said it didn't feel like a swim mate in
• 38:32
  Speaker 13: the pool. It felt like a rock concert. Such was
• 38:35
  Speaker 13: the atmosphere at the lat Offense Arena. And I tell
• 38:37
  Speaker 13: you what, if that's a rock concert, then Kyl Chalmers
• 38:40
  Speaker 13: is the rock star because he cemented his legacy as
• 38:44
  Speaker 13: Australia's best Olympic sprinter in the freestyle final, which is
• 38:49
  Speaker 13: the most competitive and coveted event at the Olympic Games. Now,
• 38:53
  Speaker 13: it did take a world record to beat him, and
• 38:55
  Speaker 13: there might be some questions asked about China's Punng Jun
• 38:58
  Speaker 13: lee and his performance, but he didn't. He was lost
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  Speaker 13: for words after he got silver. But luckily for us, Chris,
• 39:05
  Speaker 13: we have someone who can sum up the achievement of
• 39:07
  Speaker 13: King Karl.
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  Speaker 1: Oh right, thanks very much, Thanks very much, Hannah.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't got that grab. We'll have to move on.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for that. I appreciate it. Just another
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: stunning night, and sometimes silver can be something to really celebrated,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: as it was in the pool last night.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Hannah Hollis there live from Paris.
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  Speaker 2: Now we've got to move on to the nuclear energy
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: debate again, and we've spoken plenty of times with eighteen
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: year old Will Shackle, the founder of Nuclear for Australia.
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  Speaker 2: He's just returned from a trip to the United States
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  Speaker 2: where he attended a nuclear energy course and two of
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the Diablo Canyon Power plant in California, and along the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: way he busted a few myths, including the old three
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: eyed fish.
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  Speaker 1: They have a look hung.
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  Speaker 20: With me as I go fishing for three eyed fish
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  Speaker 20: outside the Dioval Like Canyon nuclear power plans. We said
• 39:58
  Speaker 20: off early in the morning from the Bila Beach Diapolo
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  Speaker 20: is on the coast of California, and in local light
• 40:05
  Speaker 20: eveners ferreal sea lions flip over a boat, where unfortunately
• 40:09
  Speaker 20: the thick bolg and security zone prevented us from actually
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  Speaker 20: seeing it. As soon as we dropped the real immediately
• 40:18
  Speaker 20: one after another, So did any of them have three eyes?
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  Speaker 1: Not that I could see.
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  Speaker 2: Will Shackle joins me now from Brisbane. Great stuff, will
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: you becoming now? Social media megastar. But the serious point
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  Speaker 2: here is that Diablo Canyon.
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  Speaker 1: Was a controversial power plant.
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  Speaker 2: It's a lot of people wanted to get rid of it,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: but it's becoming increasingly important for California, of course, supplying
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: huge amounts of power, reliable power.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Because there are all sorts of strife with their renewable push.
• 40:51
  Speaker 20: They really are It is the largest nuclear power plant
• 40:54
  Speaker 20: remaining in California, provides about nine percent of their power,
• 40:58
  Speaker 20: enough for three million home and I thought it was
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  Speaker 20: really important to show people that there is so much
• 41:03
  Speaker 20: ecological diversity around the Diablo Canie nuclear plant. Obviously, I
• 41:07
  Speaker 20: went there to fish for three eyed fish. It was
• 41:10
  Speaker 20: a wildly, wildly unsuccessful trip. Unfortunately. I was inspired by
• 41:15
  Speaker 20: our politicians in Australia who had been showing and sharing
• 41:19
  Speaker 20: on social media that there was three eyed fish outside
• 41:21
  Speaker 20: nuclear power plants. So I went across the Pacific to
• 41:24
  Speaker 20: see for myself and unfortunately, Chris, as that video can show,
• 41:29
  Speaker 20: all of the fish that I did catch had two eyes. Unfortunately.
• 41:32
  Speaker 20: So I think it was one of the many things
• 41:34
  Speaker 20: I learned there in California was that what we're being
• 41:37
  Speaker 20: told by our politicians in Australia does not actually stuck
• 41:41
  Speaker 20: up to the reality of nuclear power, and I was
• 41:43
  Speaker 20: really glad to see that for myself.
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  Speaker 2: Well, actually, this safety and security issue is just such
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: a furfee, and the labor have been silly to try
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: and run it. I mean, we're all watching the Olympics
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: unfold in Paris, and because all of that is powered
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: eighty percent by nuclear energy in France, what happily lives
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: alongside agriculture and major cities. You actually toured the plant
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: and they had a look at operations there. You got
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: up close and personal and even touch the water in
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the plant.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
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  Speaker 20: It's not smoke, it's water vapor. It's just like the
• 42:14
  Speaker 20: water here, which I can safely touch. Nuclear you sabe.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: And demonstrating what those cooling towers are all about is important.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: But well, did you find it informative to actually be there.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Up close and get a tour of the operation. I
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: think it really was.
• 42:34
  Speaker 20: That was actually the newest nuclear power plant in America,
• 42:37
  Speaker 20: the Vocal Nuclear Power Station, where the two reactors there
• 42:41
  Speaker 20: are the first nuclear reactors built in the US in
• 42:43
  Speaker 20: more than thirty years. And I thought it was an
• 42:45
  Speaker 20: incredible experience to be able to actually be there to
• 42:48
  Speaker 20: you know, put my hand through the cooling tower water
• 42:50
  Speaker 20: because Australian politicians recently have been saying that water use
• 42:53
  Speaker 20: is an issue with nuclear even though it goes through
• 42:56
  Speaker 20: those cooling towers, it's not radiated like many people believe,
• 43:01
  Speaker 20: and I thought it was really important to bust that
• 43:03
  Speaker 20: myth about nuclear So I think being there in person,
• 43:06
  Speaker 20: being able to even see the nuclear waste, to see
• 43:09
  Speaker 20: for myself that it wasn't leaky green goo in yellow
• 43:13
  Speaker 20: barrels like how Energy Minister has been suggesting, I think
• 43:16
  Speaker 20: just goes to show that we're being lied to in Australia.
• 43:18
  Speaker 20: We're being sold a narrative of fear around nuclear power
• 43:22
  Speaker 20: and that's not in the best interest of this country.
• 43:24
  Speaker 20: At the end of the day, I think what the
• 43:26
  Speaker 20: biggest takeaway for me was that all those nuclear plants
• 43:29
  Speaker 20: I was visiting would be illegal in Australia and that
• 43:32
  Speaker 20: simply does not make any sense.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: It is nuts.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Will, and congratulations on your work.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Look up Will and Nuclear for Australia on Instagram and
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: the like and you can follow his exports and get
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: some more information.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: On all this. Now I'm going to get to a break.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Coming up, going to catch up with the former Foreign
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Minister Alexander Downer, talk to him about Donald Trump attacking
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris on race and also around Supreme Leader now
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: promising harsh punishment for Israel. Let's get back to world
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: affairs in the US and the Middle East with former
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Foreign Minister Alexander Downer.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to start in the Middle East.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: In the wake of those targeted hits by Israel against
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Hezbollah and Hamas and their leaders, I asked Alexander Downer
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: about the likely repercussions.
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  Speaker 12: Well, first of all, I think Israel has been right
• 44:21
  Speaker 12: to do this because it demonstrates a point that if
• 44:24
  Speaker 12: you run terrorist campaigns against Israel, you will die as
• 44:29
  Speaker 12: a result of doing it. And they have been brutal, ruthless,
• 44:34
  Speaker 12: but very effective in doing this. And secondly, the Iranians
• 44:39
  Speaker 12: may be angered by it. The Iranians may even threaten
• 44:44
  Speaker 12: some sort of retaliation. But what this does is remind
• 44:48
  Speaker 12: us of something that the media have completely forgotten. Hamas,
• 44:52
  Speaker 12: Hezbillah and also the who is from Yemen. They are
• 44:56
  Speaker 12: all controlled by Iran. This is effectively war against for Israel,
• 45:03
  Speaker 12: against Iran, and at some point, at some point, the
• 45:08
  Speaker 12: Iranians have to be taken on, I don't think necessarily militarily,
• 45:13
  Speaker 12: but they have to realize that this behavior by their
• 45:17
  Speaker 12: surrogates is completely unacceptable, completely unacceptable.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the sorry to interrupt, Alexander, this is
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: the point I made at the top of the program,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: and that is these attacks on Israel by his bah
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: bah Hamas in particular, and of course by the Hutis
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Iranian proxies attacking Israel. And for the last ten months
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: we've had very little from the international community except to
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: be putting pressure on Israel not to respond to these attacks,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: when really the international pressure surely needs to be on
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Iran to stop, to stop.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Playing such an insidious role.
• 45:55
  Speaker 12: More than that, I've noticed so many governments, including the
• 45:59
  Speaker 12: Australian government, have been demanding recognition of the Palestinians of
• 46:05
  Speaker 12: a Palestinian state, and that Israel has to acknowledge the
• 46:10
  Speaker 12: necessity of a two state solution, but no pressure is
• 46:14
  Speaker 12: put on Iran. There'd be a two state solution if
• 46:19
  Speaker 12: Iran demanded a two state solution and called off their surrogates.
• 46:25
  Speaker 12: But all the pressure has now to be placed on Iran.
• 46:29
  Speaker 12: If Iran concedes that there needs to be a two
• 46:33
  Speaker 12: state solution, then it will be possible to put one together.
• 46:37
  Speaker 12: But it will never be possible if Iran continues with
• 46:41
  Speaker 12: its current position, which is the elimination of Israel and
• 46:45
  Speaker 12: using its surrogates to do that.
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  Speaker 4: It's completely intolerable.
• 46:50
  Speaker 12: And I know there's a risk of escalation to use
• 46:54
  Speaker 12: the word that's always been used as a risk of war.
• 46:57
  Speaker 12: Then Iran needs to understand that, and Iran needs to
• 47:02
  Speaker 12: understand that if it comes to war, there's nothing good
• 47:05
  Speaker 12: that will come of it from Iran. And more than that,
• 47:09
  Speaker 12: the Iranian people don't want to see that happen because
• 47:12
  Speaker 12: the leadership in Iran is not strongly supported by the
• 47:16
  Speaker 12: public in Iran.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a deeply irring situation and we'll keep following
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: it very closely, including with you. I want to switch
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: to US politics now, though of course the US leadership
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: on the Middle East issues is going to be important
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: and playing into the presidential election. Now, Donald Trump, yet
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: again and his own style, has brought into the identity
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: issues and the way they've been played by Kamala Harris,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: the assumed presidential candidates. Of course, she is already the
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: vice president.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Here's what Donald Trump had to say about this.
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  Speaker 6: I've known a long time, indirectly, directly, very much, and
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: she was always of Indian heritage, and she was only
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: promoting Indian heritage. I didn't know she was black until
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: a number of years ago when.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: She happened to turn black.
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: And now she wants to be known as black. So
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: I don't know is she Indian or is she black?
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: She is always.
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: Black, college I respect either one, but she obviously doesn't
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: because she was Indian all the way and then all
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: of a sudden she made a turn and she went
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: she became a black Alexander.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: There are all sorts of complex American identity politics at
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: play here, but this understandably has created a big backlash
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: at a typical Trump, isn't it and quite quite deliberately provocative.
• 48:40
  Speaker 12: Yes, of course he wants to drill into the identity
• 48:46
  Speaker 12: politics issue, which has promoted so strongly by the Democrats.
• 48:50
  Speaker 12: And I mean he can see the advantage of running
• 48:56
  Speaker 12: that line and then particularly his broader line that I'm
• 49:00
  Speaker 12: and Laharis is a far left candidate, so he will
• 49:04
  Speaker 12: keep driving on at these issues but I'm hoping even
• 49:09
  Speaker 12: though his wording, we're pretty clumsy, i'd have to say,
• 49:13
  Speaker 12: But even though his wording was clumsy, I'm hoping it
• 49:17
  Speaker 12: will help to diminish the identity politics component of American
• 49:22
  Speaker 12: politics because it's hugely damaging and divisive. It's hugely divisive
• 49:29
  Speaker 12: to go on about people's race and ethnicity the whole time.
• 49:34
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, we'll see how it plays out.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Obviously, the black community in America is seen very much
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: as the African American community, and those distinctions are being
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: made here. But it's led to ugly exchanges. We'll see
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: where it all leads. Thanks for joining us, Alexander. We'll
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: catch up with you next week.
• 49:51
  Speaker 12: It's a pleasure, Chris.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: That's our race around the world and the country for
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: today or out of time now.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. I'll see you next week here.
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