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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 8-4-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Habit Tuesday. Everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show. Glad
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  Speaker 1: to have you back with us. Always the case. We
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  Speaker 1: get to sit here and talk sports. Football is back
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  Speaker 1: Utah back in camp. Starting yesterday. We have some sound
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to on the show from coaches like Morgan Scally,
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  Speaker 1: like Kevin mcgiven, some player sound. It's available now at
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  Speaker 1: hundred app check out the latest and greatest. As our
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  Speaker 1: guy Porter Larson. We got to give him a shout
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  Speaker 1: out because right now, the timing of practice and media
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  Speaker 1: availabil ability post practice means that I'm sitting in this
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  Speaker 1: chair when I would like to be up there talking
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  Speaker 1: to coaches and players. But that's you take what you
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  Speaker 1: can get. So what we can get is our guy
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  Speaker 1: Porter Larson going up there to practice, picking people's brains,
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  Speaker 1: gathering us some sound and then making it available. We'll
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  Speaker 1: play some Morgan Scalley from day one for you, so
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  Speaker 1: that's from yesterday. If we get the day two stuff
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  Speaker 1: in time, we'll play the day two stuff for you,
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  Speaker 1: but that'll be later on in the show. We have
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  Speaker 1: Gordy Chiays's final offseason hit with us. It's sort of
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  Speaker 1: the the wrap up of this offseason. And then we'll
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  Speaker 1: let him do his NBA vacation. I call it an
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  Speaker 1: NBA vacation because they never really take time off, and
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  Speaker 1: then obviously we'll have him back on once the basketball
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  Speaker 1: season rolls around. We'll have Jerrem Jordan on the show today.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Schwartz at hour number three, looking forward to all
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  Speaker 1: of it here, but we're actually gonna start the show.
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  Speaker 1: We got an hour of Gordy Chiasa right off the.
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  Speaker 2: Top, peace out.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 3: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 3: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 2: Let's not that crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Come for the hoops talk, stay for his list of
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  Speaker 3: the day My list today.
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  Speaker 4: Here's oc with.
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  Speaker 3: Basketball sabb on Gordy Chiasa on The Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm actually gonna cheat here. Gordy. First of all, welcome,
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  Speaker 1: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: I am doing fine? Sean, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually going to cheat in that my first question
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  Speaker 1: for you is not going to be about basketball at all,
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  Speaker 1: while it does apply to the NBA, and it's something
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  Speaker 1: that we've kind of touched on in the past. Morgan
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  Speaker 1: Scally he coached the bowl game for the University of
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  Speaker 1: Utah last year, right to great success, big win over
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  Speaker 1: Nebraska in the Vegas Bowl. He's been coaching all this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, winter conditioning, spring football and all that. But
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  Speaker 1: now he's truly taking the reins the first time in
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  Speaker 1: his career. He is the head coach of his beloved
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  Speaker 1: University of Utah, the alma mater. He's a Utah man,
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  Speaker 1: always have been, ever will be. That's his thing. But
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  Speaker 1: this is his first real season, right and while I
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  Speaker 1: don't think there's any doubt he's been groomed for this,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt that he is philosophically
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  Speaker 1: prepared for this. My first question for you is what
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  Speaker 1: are the growing pains actually like for a first time
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  Speaker 1: a head coach? Because you got to work alongside some
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  Speaker 1: head coaches, probably some first time head coaches along your path,
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  Speaker 1: what's it actually like taking the reins and handling all
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  Speaker 1: of it, player personnel, coaching personnel, making the boosters happy,
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  Speaker 1: talking to the university president, all these duties that didn't
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  Speaker 1: exist for him previously. He's heading into this twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: six campaign with high expectations and a whole new workload.
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  Speaker 5: The biggest thing is delegation. Is that you can't do
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  Speaker 5: it by yourself, and so what you do is that
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  Speaker 5: you delegate to the coordinators, which he was once was
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  Speaker 5: defensive coordinator, and that you let them run with it
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  Speaker 5: and all the other things. In other words, you've got
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  Speaker 5: to be able to focus on football as far as
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  Speaker 5: decision making. You're a head coach in high Division one
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  Speaker 5: and or NBA or NFL, really you oversee the whole
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  Speaker 5: big picture and you're in charge of every part of it.
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  Speaker 5: But the coordinators and the assistant coaches and all the
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  Speaker 5: periphial staff, they're the ones in charge of a certain thing,
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  Speaker 5: and that you let them run with it, and then
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  Speaker 5: you coordinate everything with them, and that you're the final
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  Speaker 5: decision of it. And it's overwhelming, and that suddenly you're
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  Speaker 5: the ones gonna go for a field goal showing or
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  Speaker 5: you're gonna go for the first down, you're gonna will
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  Speaker 5: it with your team, and it's it takes a lot
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  Speaker 5: of you're confident in it, but you haven't done it yet.
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  Speaker 5: And that's the ability to do it and also understand
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  Speaker 5: that you're not a coordinator, you're the final decision maker,
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  Speaker 5: and it's overwhelming.
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  Speaker 1: So that finally we were kind of philosophically going through this,
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  Speaker 1: all right, what is the real difference, and you just
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  Speaker 1: mentioned it. It's making those decisions and you got to
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  Speaker 1: do them in game. You have to have you know,
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  Speaker 1: the right script for all of it. You have to
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  Speaker 1: be as prepared as you could possibly be. But there's
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  Speaker 1: going to be several moments this year where every single
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  Speaker 1: person in a stadium, and most importantly the one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty ish guys that you work with every day,
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  Speaker 1: player and coaches, they're gonna look at you and they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna say, are we going for it? Here? Are we
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  Speaker 1: kicking the field goal? Are we gonna run a fake punton?
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  Speaker 4: Here?
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  Speaker 1: Are we going to take a risk? What are we
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  Speaker 1: doing here? Now? That is Morgan Scally's job. Now, previously,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure he would say, I want to do this,
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  Speaker 1: we should be aggressive. Here, here's something I think we
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  Speaker 1: could do. Hey, coach, I'm in the headset, I'm in
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  Speaker 1: your ear. This is where that certain player, that certain
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  Speaker 1: blitz packers, this is where it could work for us
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  Speaker 1: is where the punt block is why we put it in.
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  Speaker 1: But ultimately you're the one who has to say, all right,
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  Speaker 1: we're calling the time out now, all right, we're doing
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  Speaker 1: this now. I mean that is for even for people
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  Speaker 1: who've been around football for their entire lives like he has,
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  Speaker 1: it's new duties.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very much.
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  Speaker 5: And it also as far as decision're making, is that
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  Speaker 5: from a player's point of view, that you have to
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  Speaker 5: have confidence in the players. And so again with that,
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  Speaker 5: let's say showing the field goal kicker, all right, what
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  Speaker 5: is his distance and what is his rhythm and nuances
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  Speaker 5: of his personality and so much Again is managing personalities
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  Speaker 5: of ur besides the coaching staff, but also the players
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  Speaker 5: that you've got to get them confidence, yet you got
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  Speaker 5: to understand and about winning the game. It's that unbelievable
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  Speaker 5: fine line. So example shown in basketball, a player that
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  Speaker 5: you really have confidence in is struggling. He's zero for
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  Speaker 5: eight during the court of a game. The question is
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  Speaker 5: what's his personality if you take him out or tell
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  Speaker 5: him those awful words. Think about at this moment now
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  Speaker 5: thinking about when you're free, keep shooting.
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  Speaker 2: But at what cost?
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  Speaker 6: Though?
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  Speaker 5: Sure, sways takes all the time, Sean. Is that when
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  Speaker 5: you tell a player in basketball or trying to create
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  Speaker 5: the football, you tell a field goal kicker you take
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  Speaker 5: you take him out, or you go you go for
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  Speaker 5: a first down versus field goal because he missed three
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  Speaker 5: in a row. Hypothetically, is that the day the person's
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  Speaker 5: born on his gravestone and the day he dies in
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  Speaker 5: his gravestone. Also next to it is what the day
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  Speaker 5: you told him don't shoot or don't kick? Shun the
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  Speaker 5: day you told him don't shoot in NBA today he's
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  Speaker 5: born nineteen ninety something, the day passed away lud Willing,
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  Speaker 5: you know, twenty ninety something, and the day you told
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  Speaker 5: him as a head coach not to shoot or not
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  Speaker 5: to kick.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we talked about that exact example yesterday. Oh you did,
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  Speaker 1: because we were bringing up the kicker, right. Utah's got
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  Speaker 1: this kicker, Okay, who was a five star athlete in
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  Speaker 1: high school and he was like the number one kicker
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  Speaker 1: in the nation in high school and as a freshman
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  Speaker 1: he was nails on his extra points. But there was
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  Speaker 1: a time, an important juncture of the season where the
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  Speaker 1: head coach didn't walk up to him and say I
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  Speaker 1: don't trust you, but the play calling said I don't
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  Speaker 1: trust you in this spot correct and asking an eighteen
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  Speaker 1: nineteen year old kid who comes in with a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fanfare to deal with that. That's what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: That's that weird balance.
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  Speaker 5: Very much, and it affects the whole group though sure,
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  Speaker 5: hey we love you dog. However we're gonna go for
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  Speaker 5: it right now. Yeah, or hey we love you dog. Ok, exaid,
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  Speaker 5: But so in the NBA foul showing a long time
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  Speaker 5: ago pat Rally, who's a Hall of Fame coach John
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  Speaker 5: Starks who later played for the Jazz later on in
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  Speaker 5: nineteen ninety four in the famous OJ Simpson final game
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  Speaker 5: where he's chased down that on the highway with Al
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  Speaker 5: Cowen and and it was playing the Rockets. Stalks goes
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  Speaker 5: two for eighteen in game six, including zero for eleven.
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  Speaker 5: Pat Rally says pat Riley says his all time out
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  Speaker 5: loud and also in his books that I should have
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  Speaker 5: took him out because in the big picture it affected
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  Speaker 5: the whole franchise. Sure, versus giving one player watch a
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  Speaker 5: free reign.
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  Speaker 1: So give me a couple of guys, if you're willing
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  Speaker 1: to name names who you could say they had the
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  Speaker 1: right mentality to say, hey, not right now, and they
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  Speaker 1: were going to react to that properly. And maybe the
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  Speaker 1: other end of that where you had to be careful
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  Speaker 1: because if you say I'm not drawing up this final
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  Speaker 1: play for you, you're or I don't want you shooting right now,
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  Speaker 1: you're cold, or whatever, it was going to become a
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  Speaker 1: problem for that person because the spectrum is all over
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  Speaker 1: the place right very much. There's a bunch of guys
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  Speaker 1: hitters in baseball, pitchers in baseball, shooters, in basketball, kickers,
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  Speaker 1: I mean quarterbacks, right. How many times have we seen
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  Speaker 1: a guy where he just gets the yips for a
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  Speaker 1: game or whatever, he can't place the ball where he
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  Speaker 1: needs to place it. There's u tough fans that'll tell you.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, Cam Rising comes back after
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  Speaker 1: so long away Arizona State injures his ankle on the
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  Speaker 1: second down of the game, and the coaching staff were like,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna ride or die with him, even though it
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  Speaker 1: was clear he couldn't keep going. It was clear he
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  Speaker 1: couldn't throw the football right. He's the kind of guy
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  Speaker 1: that if you pull him out and say we're pulling
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  Speaker 1: you out because you're hurt, not because we don't trust you.
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  Speaker 1: I think he would have been Okay, that felt like
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  Speaker 1: the wrong decision. It goes all over the place, all
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  Speaker 1: up and down that spectrum today.
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  Speaker 5: So also basketball, Scottie Pippen Hall of Famer. Sure, all right,
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  Speaker 5: Michael Jordan is playing baseball. So during the playoffs, there's
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  Speaker 5: the big pitcher. Now in the playoffs. Phil Jackson, again
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  Speaker 5: the most winningest coach in the NBA as far as
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  Speaker 5: our titles is eleven championships. He doesn't diagram a play
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  Speaker 5: for Scottie Pippen in a playoff game. In the last
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  Speaker 5: few seconds. Scottie Pippen sulks. He sulks about it. The
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  Speaker 5: play goes to Tony Kuk Coach, who makes the winning
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  Speaker 5: jump shot, makes the jump shot to win the playoff
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  Speaker 5: game for the Bulls without Michael Jordan.
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  Speaker 2: And Michael was there. It's cutting dry.
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  Speaker 5: He's getting the ball hopefully in space, all right, But
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  Speaker 5: now it's the Jordan's in baseball. So Pippen thinks the
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  Speaker 5: Bulls should go to him. But Phil Jackson makes a
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  Speaker 5: decision to go to coup coach. As far as his
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  Speaker 5: set play, he delivered. Scottie Pippen didn't refuse.
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  Speaker 2: To go in the game.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy, crazy, it happens.
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  Speaker 5: It happened because you're dealing with what players human behavior
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  Speaker 5: at that moment. I'm sure they regretted weeks, months, decades late,
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  Speaker 5: they regretted what was I thinking. I was being Philip
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  Speaker 5: Blankson all right, but at that moment, think about only
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  Speaker 5: one thing themselves.
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  Speaker 1: And to circle it back to the original conversation, that
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  Speaker 1: is also something that a head coach has to deal with, right,
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  Speaker 1: yoursonalities because you know your position coach, your shooting coach
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, coach, your bench guy. At the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, they're not going to be able to grab
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  Speaker 1: up Scottie Pippen and say, hey, knock this off, or
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna deal with you a certain way. Only the
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  Speaker 1: head coach can handle.
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  Speaker 2: That very much.
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  Speaker 5: And so it's different that it's different being a head coach.
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  Speaker 5: In the NBA, I was talking the late great Jerry Sloan.
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  Speaker 5: He had this unbelievable fear that in the fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 5: we're not going to score a point. Really, I say
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  Speaker 5: them all the time, Really, we're gonna score an next
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  Speaker 5: possess And this is Jerry saying to me, thousands of
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  Speaker 5: times we can't score in the fourth quarter. Really, give
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  Speaker 5: the ball to them alone. I'm sure we can score.
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  Speaker 5: I'm positive of that. All right, give the ball to Boozer.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure we can score, meaning Colls Booser. So these
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  Speaker 5: are all things that every head coach has certain. What's
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  Speaker 5: the word fears in a positive way or anxiety?
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  Speaker 2: Anxiety is a good thing.
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  Speaker 5: Bill Russell, the world's greatest winner, used to throw up
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  Speaker 5: every playoff game. Before a playoff game, you threw up.
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  Speaker 5: It's documented all the time. When it happened. The team
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  Speaker 5: was so happy knowing that Bill Russell was ready to
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  Speaker 5: play in a playoff game of either one. He won
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  Speaker 5: eleven championships, So it happens.
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  Speaker 1: One of the best players I grew up with. Love you,
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Freestone. Shout out to the whole Freestone family.
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  Speaker 2: This is football, now football, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Great. He would throw up in the huddle, Gordy, there
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  Speaker 1: you go. Okay, not because he was over exerting whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but the nerves of the competition. He would throw up
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  Speaker 1: right there in the huddle. Le' be dripping out of
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  Speaker 1: his face mask.
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  Speaker 2: And he played well.
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  Speaker 1: He was great. He was the best player on the team, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and then you know he go up get down in
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  Speaker 1: the stands. Yeah, the opposing team would be looking at him.
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  Speaker 1: He'd be throwing up and be finishing dry heaving right
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  Speaker 1: before the snap. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's so funny
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  Speaker 1: how people's minds and bodies work together.
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  Speaker 5: Very much, and so as a head coach in charge
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  Speaker 5: of so many different personalities, that's what makes it so unique.
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  Speaker 5: And the circumstances of what happens again on the team bus,
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  Speaker 5: on the charter flight, the day before the walk and
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  Speaker 5: during the walk through the day of the game, the
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  Speaker 5: day before practice sessions. Who's injured, who's could play through
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  Speaker 5: an injury, who's not gonna play. There's so many different dynamics,
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  Speaker 5: and that's why it's so important to be on top
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  Speaker 5: of that, and you have to delegate authority at that moment.
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  Speaker 5: You cannot be the heavy all the time, or you
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  Speaker 5: can't be the good guy even some of the time
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  Speaker 5: when you're a head coach, But you could be a
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  Speaker 5: world class listener. Most great, great head coaches at every level,
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  Speaker 5: I call him the world class listeners. They listen to
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  Speaker 5: the assistant coaches, the people on staff, They listen to
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  Speaker 5: the to the veteran players on their team, and they
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  Speaker 5: listen to the young people of what they're going through
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  Speaker 5: and then they make a decision. So the question with
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  Speaker 5: the Morgan scali is he a world class listener? What
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  Speaker 5: do you think, Sean?
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  Speaker 1: I think he is great? Okay. I think one of
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  Speaker 1: the great things about Morgan Scalley is his communication is
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  Speaker 1: a beauty. His ability to communicate with every style of communication, right.
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  Speaker 1: He's got the gregariousness and energy to meet even like
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  Speaker 1: the most extroverted person on their level, but he's introspective, thoughtful,
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  Speaker 1: uh spiritual enough that he can really dig in with
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  Speaker 1: the introverted person who doesn't want to have that conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I think his communication style and skill is going to
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  Speaker 1: be one of the things that when the book is
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  Speaker 1: written someday about Morgan Scalley, that's what people talk about.
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  Speaker 5: And so that's uniqueness of it, and that's his personality.
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  Speaker 5: And usually speaking, the team takes the personality of the
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  Speaker 5: head coach just generally speaking, right with the exception outlier
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  Speaker 5: truly being an exception. So in jazz basketball, I trust
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  Speaker 5: when I say this, the Utah Jazz and Yesterdya took
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  Speaker 5: the personality of their head coach. Sure, I'm absolutely positive
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  Speaker 5: of that positive.
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  Speaker 1: So what does that look like now? Because Will Hardy's
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  Speaker 1: personality for these last several years has unfortunately been muted
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  Speaker 1: because he is, like every head coach in the NBA,
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  Speaker 1: a hardcore competitor. Obviously we've seen the little viral clips.
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  Speaker 1: He can be pretty fiery, right, he has not been
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  Speaker 1: allowed because of the fascinations behind the scenes, to be
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  Speaker 1: the competitor he wants to be, to be the winner
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  Speaker 1: he wants to be. So what does that look like
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  Speaker 1: now that the chips are all on the table, Now
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  Speaker 1: that you take the governor off and you say all right,
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  Speaker 1: go do your thing, how much will we see Will
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  Speaker 1: Hardy and the personality of the coach and the team
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  Speaker 1: as a reflection of him change now that he can
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  Speaker 1: go out and win.
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  Speaker 5: Will a chance tremendously answers to be front and center,
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  Speaker 5: and from that very first day of the meeting, the
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  Speaker 5: opening meeting of this is what the rules are, this
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  Speaker 5: is what we're going to do. Accomplishent especially on defense. Again,
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  Speaker 5: as the Jazz go forward, they just have talent. Is
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  Speaker 5: that they have to get better tremendously defensively, and it
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  Speaker 5: starts both a any sport on ball, off ball. It
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  Speaker 5: affects everything you do. So the ability to guard on
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  Speaker 5: ball and the ability to play help to help a defense.
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  Speaker 5: And Will Hardy and his coaching staff, which are really
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  Speaker 5: talented people, they've they're going to change the look of
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  Speaker 5: the Jazz as far as playing defense and competing on
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  Speaker 5: both sides, especially on especially on when it's a gritty game.
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  Speaker 5: But sometimes Sean things don't go correctly offensively. Your team
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: is struggling, they can't make a layup, they missed four
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: straight foul shots. But your defense keeps you in the
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: game until why, there's an awakening of your offensive abilities.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Suddenly what you get three straight stops in the game
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: instead of being down eight, you only down two because
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: you got you guarded them. And now your offense now
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: there's a reappearance of it led by what by dribbled
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: drive to the basket, kick it out for that rhythm
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: corner three. And that's how teams win Sean. Most road
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: games and especially road playoff games, the games are ugly,
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: and I caught ugly is beautiful because she won a player.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: So as the last time in the NFL playoff game
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: when the team couldn't score but they won, and what
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: they advance on We couldn't score, but our defense what
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: and special teams they kept us what in the game.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'll punt they win the game first. Hypothetically.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: That's kind of what playoff football becomes. Absolutely, playoff basketball
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: becomes very much.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: It's gritty, it's a science. There's nothing regular about playoffs
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: in the NFL or the NBA. Nothing regular. It's always gritty.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: We talked about this a little bit yesterday after we
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: had you on. Tony Jones joined us and he's obviously
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: in Philadelphia now he's covering the seventy six ers, that
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: team that lebron chose to be on. And I asked
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: him because I'm asking everybody about Joel Embiid and about
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: the health questions around Joel Embiid, and his response was, Look,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: as long as you can keep Joel Embiid healthy for
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the playoffs when you actually need that inside presence, when
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: you actually need the defensive presence, the shot blocking, the
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: inside scoring. They could probably make the playoffs without him
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: at all during the regular seat. But if he's ready
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to go in shape and healthy when you get to
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. Now we're talking, and I was like, first
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: of all, what a luxurious position for the Philadelphia seventy
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: six ers to be in where you might not need
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: one of your four best players for a regular season run.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: But it's more pointedly about how the style of basketball
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs changes. And we saw that with the
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Spurs last year, We saw that with the Knicks last year.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: We saw the way that you know, Oklahoma City thrived
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: two years ago and even into this year's playoffs with
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: that stylistic shift, being able to accommodate it, being able
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: to take it and you know, win that kind of
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: basketball without having to be pretty.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very much.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: And so usually in most playoff games and every sport,
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: the game slows down that it's more of a half
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: court or in football, a ball control offense. So defense
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: absolutely rules, and that's when you need somebody to score
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: a point. We call it chaos scoring. Where can Joel Embiid,
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: which he can, He can score in chaos, and so
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: can Lebron James scoring chaos where the defense is so
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: good and legally physical that they can dry through it
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: and Joel Embiid that's not forget, he averaged twenty seven
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: points a game in his career in the playoffs when
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: he's healthy, and that makes it so unique right now,
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: last year, Joel Embiid unfortunately he only played six executive
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: games in the regular season before either sitting down injury
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: or they set him down to quote rest him as
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: far as his legs and stuff. So, but playoff basketball
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: is different. There's no resk involved and you've got to
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: be able to perform. And that's the factor in the Sixers.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: They feel that they can go after the Knickerbockers and
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: the upstart Detroit Pistons, and they think also they can
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: hold off the Cavaliers to get a quantum leaf as
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: far as getting the getting to the NBA Finals for
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: the first time since two thousand and one, which will
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: be then twenty six years in twenty twenty seven. Last
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: time they won the championship with nineteen eighty three with
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: that Doctor j and that crew and Bobby Jones and
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Andrew Tony and all those guys.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Eighty three a great year for the world.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: That the year you were born, correct, Yeah, you really?
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: Sewan Sean is a very young cat. He's young, and
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: Jase Peterson is another young cat. He's young and then showing,
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: and then there's me. I am truly not young, to
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: say the least. I'm an ulster well but young at
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: hart Gordy, Yeah, I am don't thanks. I appreciate that.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: I try to be. I tempt to be.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: So I want to circle back to something we were
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: talking about early in this segment, where you know Will
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Hardy's style is going to change a little bit now
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: that he's allowed to win. The communication that you have
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: to master over an entire roster as a head coach
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: and managing the personalities of like, all right, who's gonna
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: be able to handle the criticism, who's going to be
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: able to handle not being told not to shoot? Who's
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: going to be able to handle Hey, we're gonna draw
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: this play up for you when we're down two, we
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: need a three pointer with one point eight seconds left.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: How important is it to establish who those guys are
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: for Will Hardy on this roster, because look, we all
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: love what Keyante George has done. I don't know that
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: anyone's ready to say game on the line. Give the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: ball to Keyante George and you're gonna be okay. Same
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: with Ace Bailey, lowry marketing, I guess maybe. But the
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: players are gonna have to know who that guy is.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: The coaches are gonna have to know who that guy is.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: We get to find out at some point during the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: season who that guy is, or maybe more pointedly, who
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: that guy is not. How does that process work?
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: He works in practice where the time they call it
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: the time and score game, where the ZAC scenary we
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: describe you did three point shot one point eight seconds.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: Here's the situation we're gonna run as far as the
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: play formation. The defense will not cooperate, and again you
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: have to be able to score a basket out of
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: a mentioned before chaos, but also we call it out
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: of nothing. And so Larry Markin, who's such a great
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: foul shooter. Also, so I would assume that right now
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: and a lot of times the defenses they switch. So
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: Larry Markin at seven foot, if for some reason the
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: defense did try to exchange and go against him, he
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: can shoot over the top. So as we speak right now,
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: probably it's gonna be Larry marking In one Jaron Jackson two. Again,
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: because they as a big guy, they do play switch defense.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: He can shoot over the top of them and then Three,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: it's gonna be Kiante George and four Darren Peterson because
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: Peterson has the ability as a young fella to create
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: his own shot off the dribble and once he elevates,
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: he can get up in the air. And he's also
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: a good foul shooter eighty four percent, and so those
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: are probably the guys that have it. Then off the bench,
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: let's not forget Bryce censer ball. Sean is a guy
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: that he can shoot and censer balls in the game.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: You love to have him with the ball in his
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: hands on a short clock because he has supreme confidence
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: and I'm sure that the coaching staff has it in him.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: And I like sense of Ball, who's vastly underrated, and
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: so they have some different options. But I'm gonna go
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: one step further. The Jazz have to get to that point.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: They've got to play defense and have defensive playmakers and Sean.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: We haven't talked about this in a while, since a
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: few weeks ago, but the Jazz admitted a very smart,
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: simple contract with josh Okogi. Josha Kogi is a guy
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: that plays really superior defense on perimeter that had a
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: three year last year from three point range shooting thirty
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: eight point seven percent from threes. But he can play,
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: he can guard. So Josha Koji off the bench is
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: going to help the Jazz as far as trying to
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: slow down the other team's wing scorers. As far as
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: either not a starter but as a second unit guy.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: If he does play against the starters in the beginning
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: of the third quarter or the fourth quarter, he's gonna
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: try to make them uh I called a troubled defensive
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: player where he's going to go after them and make
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: him shoot if you make him feel uncomfortable. And so
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: it's going to help the Jazz as far as doing that. Also,
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: the added a guy named Mobamba who was on the
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: team last year, and he'll give them a shot blocking
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: presence again off the bench. So the two guys that
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: Jazz added not as far as draft wise, but they're
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: both defensive minded and that is good. So that tells
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: me that the Jazz recognized that some of their shortcomings
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: and they're going to try to uh to try to
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: accelerate it as far as getting better defensively. And that's
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: it sounds so simple, but it gets hard showing every
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: every NBA practice that's been the element of what we
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: call it hurt feelings, because without without hurt feelings and practice,
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: you get mixed results in the game. The criteria's this,
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: don't make hurt feelings and the hard feelings where you
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: can't go back to the player. So, Sean, I'm sure
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: that your best coaches that that tooted you. Sometimes you
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: didn't like them, sometimes you even like them. Yeah, I
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: think that's good, perfectly normal.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a parent. You shouldn't always be
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: popular with the children.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, very not, not at all. You agree with that.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they got to be mad at you.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Mat, I know, I know the feeling very much.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: And that's reason why is that Again, hurt feelings is
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: good in every practice, but just don't make the hurt
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: feelings into what hard feelings whether a player doesn't want
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: to talk with you and likewise you towards the player.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: So it's that fine line.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: It's your body language, it's your voice diction, how you
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: raise your voice at a certain thing, or the words
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: you use, and it's all part of coaching ability to
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: get players to Usually, Sean overperform. A lot of times
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: players don't know their own ceiling. They think they have
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: a ceiling, but it's way beyond that. And your job
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: as a coach in the NBA or the NFL or
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: Division one football, your job is to bring the best
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: out of the players individually but also as a collective group.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: And that's that's the goal of every successful team and coach.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: That's Gordia Chas that we've got him for the whole
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: first hour here, this is his final hit of the offseason,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and then once NBA season rolls back around, will have
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Gordy on on a regular basis because we love picking
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: his brain. All right, we know this. You cannot you
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and I a normal person, even a really really well
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: off person, you can't afford to buy into the primary
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: NBA product. What about though, a G League team, or
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: what about something like an NBA Europe team. The price
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: point on that is starting to be established, and we're
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: going to talk about it with Gordy next because Hole
• 28:40
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• 29:57
  Speaker 1: before we head into the NBA official offseason, which is
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: not not as long as these players and coaches and
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: personnel guys need it to be, but that's the way
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: things go. Before the break, I teased the price point
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: being set on these hypothetical totally hypothetical so far NBA Europe,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: NBA Global Expansion franchises. The first, the most appealing of these, right,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: are your big cities NBA London, NBA Paris, NBA Rome,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: NBA Berlin. Like these big big cities, right, The NBA
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: London one was considered kind of the crown jewel. And
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: remember this is not an NBA franchise. This is not
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: like we've talked about with the NFL, where maybe Shad
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Cohn will take the Jaguars over to play in London.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: This is a triple A team effectively. Is that the
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: right way to characterize this scrdy?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah very much?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, absolutely so, I'm asking all of you out there, hey,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: how much would it cost me to buy a Triple
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: A team, not a Major League Baseball team, not an
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: NBA team. How much would it cost me to get
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: into this even if it was in London? Well, so
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: far what has come in is a billion dollar offer
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: from Nikesh Aurora, who's a Silicon Valley tech CEO who's
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: diversifying his portfolio. He already bought a cricket forty nine
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: percent of a cricket team in London. He's of South
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Asian descent, he has London roots. He's a guy who
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: wants to build up the sporting infrastructure in London, the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: American sporting infrastructure in London. At a billion dollars is
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: what he is willing to pay to be the owner
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: of the NBA London franchise should it come to pass,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: which is still a question.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, very much. Also, and that's a billion dollars just
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: to buy the team. It's not salaries, and it's not
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: the personnel people and all the marketing apparatus that you
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: need to grow the business. There just the privilege to
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: acquire the asset of a team. Now, the problem is
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: showing that as alluding to I think called FEB. Feber
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: has their own teams in Europe and it's flourishing. And
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: the question is and can the NBA go into Europe
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: and have their own league with conjunction with FEB with
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: their teams or do the teams merge with the And
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: as always, the biggest sticking point is the METEA rights
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: the broadcasting of it, who gets the percentage of it?
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: And then let from an NBA point of view, the
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: players' union, you mean to tell me we're gonna have
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: our clients go over to Europe and not be compensated
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: even more than playing in the States. And there's there's
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: so many things that work out, but they're trying to
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: least start of either a single person buying a team
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: or a group of people buying a team.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: For the for the NBA in quote Europe.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Well, we'll find out shown in next two or three
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: years if it plays either or not.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: More than one hundred and twenty prospective investors submitted what
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: they call declarations of interest in the first round when
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the NBA was kind of like, you know, putting out
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: feelers here. The proposal is sixteen teams, twelve would be
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: licensed by the NBA and then they would do four
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: on the European model of promotion relegation. Right, you could
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: earn your way up and down NBA Europe.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, up and down based on your what your record
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: the year before. So it's an incentive right now. Let's
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: put it in context also with the possible expansion by
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: the NBA of Las Vegas and Seattle when it does happen,
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: for the privilege for those ownership groups whoever they are,
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: they're still bidding on there's still I'm sure bidding on it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: It's going to cost roughly a billion dollars for the
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: expansion fee, and it will cost for operation operation of
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: budget roughly between seven and nine billion dollars to get
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: the whole operation up. So we're talking basically roughly eight
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: to ten billion dollars shown for an expansion team to
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: be an operation. So I know there's a lot of billionaires,
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: usually in Northern California with a venture capitalist about a
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: whole bunch of money. There's a lot of dough, a
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: lot of money, and that just shows you the power
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: of sports. And again it's all driven by media rights.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Everything is based on broadcasting partners and that's the catchword,
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: the partners of what they're willing to pay for live programming.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: And now it's obviously the streaming services. Everybody's involved in
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: trying especially and as great as the NBA is as
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: far as viewing it, the NBA is really second fiddle
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: to the NFL because the NFL is absolutely incredible rules
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: as far as television and Sean, what what is Tony
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Roma thinking?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Sean, Tony Roma, what is he thinking?
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: It's an unfortunate situation, right.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I know, what what was what's he thinking?
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I know?
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: So CBS will make a tough decision about his future.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: I'm sure to show between now and the first game,
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: which is right roughly what six weeks from now.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: The plan for now is that JJ Watt is going
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: to be going to take his spot, yeah on those
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: broadcasts for now, for now, so we'll see. Yeah, if
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: you want to buy into NBA Paris, NBA Milan, NBA London,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: just you know, Madrid, Madrid, flip the flip the couch
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: over and uh see if you can find a billion
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: bucks or so in the cushions.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: And speaking of couch right now shown also the couch
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: though next week is going to be in Springfield, Massachusetts,
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: which is the home of the of of Basketball, the birthplace.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: The Basketball Hall of Fame.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so here's the twenty twenty six Nasmith's Hall of
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: Fame inductees.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I just gave you some of them.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: And it's next Friday, August fourteenth and Saturday August fifteenth.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: Amaras Stodemeyer is being adducted six time All Star and
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: the presenter is going to be Grant Hell and Steve Nash,
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: and the presenters is somebody ready in the NBA that
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: it's in the Hall of Fame. So two former teammates
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: are going to present him. Next guy Mike d'An toni,
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: two time NBA Coach of the Year. He is going
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: to be presented by also by Steve Nash and Bob McAdoo.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: Doc Rivers, longtime NBA coach and the sixth winning coach
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: of all time with one thousand one of ninety five victories.
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  Speaker 5: He's going to be presented by Kevin Garnett and Paul
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  Speaker 5: Pierce Mark Few, the longtime great head coach of the
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: Gonzaga Bulldogs. He's gonna be presented by John Calipari and
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: John Stockton. Oh wow, yeah interesting. And then this is
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  Speaker 5: my favorite sean who said that I don't like referees,
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: who said that over the years, Gordy Chaser and Jerry
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: Sloan and Phil Johnson, all the Jazz coaches didn't like referees.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here we go.
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  Speaker 5: We love this guy showing me if I say his name.
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  Speaker 5: This guy was feearless in playoff games where he controlled
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  Speaker 5: the game and more importantly, he let the players be stars.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: He didn't call any cheap fouls in a playoff game,
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  Speaker 5: because in playoff games you call a foul on every
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: possession of every down the floor. I'm talking about Joey Croffin,
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  Speaker 5: legendary referee for thirty nine years. He was involved in
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: so many jazz playoff games. He's being presented by Danny
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: Crofford no relation, and by Rod Thorn. And in the
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  Speaker 5: last one is Candae Parker from who is a two
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  Speaker 5: time WNBA All Star MVP who's now a NBC Peacock Analyst.
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  Speaker 5: Does a great job. She's She's to be presented by
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  Speaker 5: Alan Iverson. He's presenting Kennas and Cheryl Miller, who's Reggie
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  Speaker 5: Miller's older sister. And Reggie always talks about all the
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: time he was growing up the sister. He used the
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  Speaker 5: elbow with a face all the time at pickup games.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: He said he got tough based on his sister. So
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: that's going to be that some of the people inducted.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: What about in jazz yesteryear, there's five jazz people that
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: are in the NBA there the Hall of Fame meeting Naysmith.
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  Speaker 5: They are Pete Marrabage inducted in nineteen eighty seven, John
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  Speaker 5: Stockton in two thousand and nine, Jerry Sloan in two
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  Speaker 5: thousand and nine, Adrian Gentley in two thousand and eight,
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  Speaker 5: and cal Malone in twenty and ten, and Frank Layton
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  Speaker 5: to form a great jazz president, general manager and head
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  Speaker 5: coach and really the prime driver of Utah Jazz basketball.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: Frank lab was deducted in Hall of Fame in twenty
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  Speaker 5: fifteen as a contributor. So shout out and kudos the
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  Speaker 5: people inducted, and also just and Yesteryear, all these people
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  Speaker 5: that were grateful that these people touch Utah Jazz basketball.
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  Speaker 1: Time going to get some more in the Hall of Fame.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Let's go this young crop of fellas Darren Peterson, Larry Marketing.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: They have enough again, face Bailey, they have enough talent again.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: So the question the show is always is you have
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: talent which is commendable. And now the question is can
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: you help a team win and do great things in playoffs?
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: Because your legacy is based on playoff sports.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Is it harder now to get into the Hall of
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Fame or easier because you're compared to everyone who's already
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. Now, back in the day, though,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: you didn't have to have some of the gaudy points
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: totals and things like that. So what would you say,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: is it harder to get in now or is it
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: easier to get in now than let's say, thirty years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Harder?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, but in baseball is the ultimate hard to get
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: in baseball, a guy is incredible, these numbers and they
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: only picked the three or four guys a year. It's
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: the most amazing. I feel bad for the baseball players.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: You could be a multiple time league MVP Dale Murphy
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  Speaker 1: and not get into the Baseball Hall of Fame. You know, dumb?
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  Speaker 2: That is correct.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: That is so stupid.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: You got it and the reason why gose baseball Baseball
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: writers they're so old school and again in a bad
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: way that they don't they nitpick if a guy didn't
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: talk to him in the locker room for three years
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: and they won't vote for him forty years later, they
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: still have a grudge, which is absolutely juvenile and adolescens
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: and get ridd of these guys then, meaning what the writers.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: It's wild when you look at the Pro Football Hall
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: of Fame too, the standard, how much the standard has
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: shifted and changed over the years. Right, there's quarterbacks. I
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: mean Joe Namath is the most famous one. Joe Namath
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: threw more interceptions and touchdowns and he's in the Hall
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: of Fame like you can't you can't even sniff like
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: a franchise Ring of Honor for those kind of numbers anymore.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: But JOEI Key belongs in there because you can't tell
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: the story of the NFL without Joe Namath either, so
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: way much what is the what is the criteria for
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: getting into a Hall of Fame? For me, it's can
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: you go year by year and tell the story of
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: the league without mentioning that guy's name. If the answer
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: is no, he has to be in the Hall of Fame.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: And do you realize that Joe Namath in the nineteen
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: sixty nine Super Bowl and the fourth quarter is shown,
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: didn't throw a pass the whole quarter. Wow, Sean, you
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: get the ball to Emerson Boozer and Matt Snell. Joe
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: name it did not throw it pass in the Super
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Bowl game in the fourth quarter. Talk about ultimate ball control.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: And the next thing about Joe Montana never threw a
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: deception in the Super Bowl game. Never Joe Montana, Sean,
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: which we know is almost impossible to do. Unbelieva the defense,
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: how great it is that level. So Joe Willie also
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: shown he got banned by the NBA for owning a
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• 42:31
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• 42:35
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• 42:38
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• 46:02
  Speaker 1: All right. Gordy Chiasa, you tease me, and James, you said,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I got a great list for you guys today.
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  Speaker 2: Very much.
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  Speaker 5: This list today is summertime movies, all right, So this
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: is a selective top ten basketball movies. And later I'm
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: going to ask Sean and James about what are their
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: favorite all time sports movies.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: All right, this is.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: Basketball number ten, Space jam Michael Jordan playing himself. You
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: remember you remember the theme song I Believe I Can Fly?
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Yes? Absolutely, It was a great song by the now
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: disgraced R. Kelly, But great song.
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  Speaker 2: Very much.
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  Speaker 5: Number nine Hoop Dreams William Gates and author ag about
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  Speaker 5: two kids from Chicago that travel ninety minutes to commut
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: every day to go to a Catholic high school to
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: try to try to get a better life for themselves
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: and play college basketball.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: This is before third for thirty. This is before I'm told,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: this is before all of those like series of documentaries.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: It was like one of the first really high quality
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: examinations of that behind the scenes, sort of gritty look
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: at what it takes to succeed love Hoop Dreams.
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  Speaker 2: That was nineteen ninety four, all right.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: Number eight The Fish that Saved Pittsburgh a comedy in
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: nineteen seventy nine starring Julius Irving and Jonathan Winters. And
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: it was about about comedy about doctor j and John
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: is a comedian and they were all the different things,
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: the highjinks they did as far as doing it next
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: to seven to Get Paris nineteen ninety five, romanct In
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: comedy about a life of an NBA referee starring Billy
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: Crystal and his love interest was Debret Winger. Number six
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: in my estimation Glory Rode two thousand and six, starring
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: Josh Lucas playing head coach Don Haskins. True story drummer
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: about the nineteen six Texas Western NCAA Championships which is
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: now Texas ol Passo. That was the situation where that
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: five African American players started for the first time ever
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: in an NCAA game, and they were the ones that
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: really truly were the first ones ever to do that,
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: and it really changed the society as far as looking
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: at about different lenses about college basketball. Number five All
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: Time Coach Caught Him two thousand and five, starring Samuel L. Jackson,
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: a true story about a high school coach in Richmond, California.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: Number four Hoo'sius nineteen eighty six drama starring the late
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: great Gene Hackman and also Dennis Hopper, about a high
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: school coach at Hickory, Hickory Anddiana about winning the state championship.
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  Speaker 5: Number three All Time He Got Game Drama nineteen ninety eight,
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Denzel Washington with Ray Allen and Denzel playing Ray's father
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  Speaker 5: at Jake Shuttleworth and starring as Jesus Shuttleworth. Number two
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: all time nineteen ninety four, Blue Chips starring Nick Nolty,
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: also young Shaquille O'Neill and Penny Hardaway about high school recruiting,
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: and Sean, my number one basketball movie of all time.
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: It's a comedy, White Man Can't Jump.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: That's a great movie.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: By Wesley Snipes and Woody Harrelson. The live interest was
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: Tyra Farrell and Rosie Perez, where both Wesley and Woody
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: Harrelson there were two basketball hustlers, trash talking, making trying
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: to pick up games to make money. Thus that's my
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: list of today of the ten, in my opinion, greatest
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: ever basketball movies. But Sean, I have a question for
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: you and James, tell me some of your greatest sports
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: movies of all time.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, Friday Night Lights amazing, Rudy amazing. Even though all
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: of those articles have come out and told you that
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: it's not accurate at all and that Rudy was actually
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: kind of a whatever, still a very inspiring an incredible movie.
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  Speaker 1: Any given Sunday, awesome movie the program. Did you guys
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: ever watch the program? But basically a fictional Florida State
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: University gotta watch it? Really really excellent? Uh, because I'm
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: in the combat sports world. Cinderella Man Awesome, All the
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Rockies Awesome, Warrior, the one with with Tom Hardy, the
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Brothers that are reunited through an MMA tournament actually really
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: really good. It's the only MMA movie that's been well done.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: They've tried a few of them. You didn't like Never
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Back Down and Never Back Down. Shout out to Never
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Back Down for going straight to red Box with all of.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Its sequels, red Box, I love it.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: But no those are Those are a couple examples.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: From Sean What about Raging Bull? Raging Bull's so good?
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  Speaker 2: Robert Denarrow nineteen eighty.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Field the Dreams Love Feel the Dreams bit. I have
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: played baseball in Dyersville, Iowa, on the Field of Dreams
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: before it became like a big sports complex dragging camp going. Yeah,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: that's awesome. I was probably seven years old. My parents
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: are both from Iowa.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: So how about The Natural?
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: The Natural so good? Love the Natural? Uh? Perfect?
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  Speaker 8: Or for the love of the Game. O good Kevin
• 51:31
  Speaker 8: Costner movie. I wrote down a bunch here. As a kid,
• 51:37
  Speaker 8: I loved the Mighty Ducks movies and also Kid Airbud.
• 51:42
  Speaker 8: Those are all kids cric, kids centric, but they don't
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: belong on the on these lists. But as far as
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  Speaker 8: kids movie sports movies go amazing. Also Space Jam that
• 51:52
  Speaker 8: you mentioned Gordy, Remember the Titan.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Remember the Titans so so good.
• 51:56
  Speaker 8: I love that you mentioned Cinderella Man next to rock
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  Speaker 8: He I think the best boxing movie that that's ever
• 52:03
  Speaker 8: been made. How about Air Up There Kevin Bacon basketball movie. Yes,
• 52:09
  Speaker 8: about recruiting the huge African guy to play at his
• 52:13
  Speaker 8: small college and he learns about tribal customs and they
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: have to win a game. Basically he has to play
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: a game to let them take him to the United States.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: A great, great movie. What was the one? The recent
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: one Netflix movie Adam Sandler. Uh, was about European scout.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: I still haven't watched that.
• 52:34
  Speaker 8: Actually really good, but former jazz man Wancho hern and
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: Gomez in that right, it did a great job.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:42
  Speaker 8: Uh, category Ford versus Ferrari. Yes, so the newer ones, like.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: The racing movies Days of Thunder. They're doing a sequel.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: By the way, Days of Thunder is awesome. The racing ones.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: You get some really great racing movies. I like racing
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: movies more than I like watching racing. I feel the
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: same way about horse racing. Good.
• 52:59
  Speaker 8: There's been some great horse racing movies. Don't really care
• 53:02
  Speaker 8: to watch horse race.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: I changed What about quickly? About your iconic movies of
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: all time? Like, no criterry, but iconic.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Braveheart is the best movie in the history of the planet.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Number one, and then there's a pretty significant gap. For me.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Man on Fire is my second favorite movie starring Denzel Washington.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Love that movie. Shout out to the late Great Scott,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: the director, Ridley Scott's brother, director of that movie. He
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: also directed Days of Thunder. If I'm not mistaken, love
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: me Forrest Gump, Okay, Gladiator, The Lion King, Lion King
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: to five. All right, this is just totally different categories
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: of the rest of you, sir. That's amazing.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: No category.
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: I have one other tongue in cheeks sports movie, nic Tale.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: No, it's the Joustick movie.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: It's my movie.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Iconic Okay, Gordy's iconic movie by the Dark Knight. Awesome movie, right, yep,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: We Love Some Christopher Nolan, right, exactly, great director.
• 54:08
  Speaker 8: Drew Movie, all right, very much, Next Nights Tale, and
• 54:11
  Speaker 8: also Christian Bale all right, Oppenheimer recently twenty twenty three,
• 54:16
  Speaker 8: that was really good, Pulp Fiction nineteen ninety four, okay, seven,
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: Prying Ryan nineteen ninety eight, and number one, The Godfather
• 54:26
  Speaker 8: nineteen seventy two.
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: He's the last category because show I know sewn you
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: a romantic got hot?
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: You and James? What is your favorite romantic comedy?
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Love Actually? Okay, you guys know, Love Actually? Christmas movie? Yeah,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: I watched that movie every single year. Love it. It's
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: a It's a great holiday movie and a great romantic comedy.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Also the Holiday.
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: Yeahry knew that was coming to once you said great
• 54:52
  Speaker 8: holiday movie, which I agree with you on the holiday.
• 54:55
  Speaker 8: I'm not as big a fan of love acts.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: I love How Are You? James?
• 55:00
  Speaker 8: Rom com recent one, The Other Woman is hilarious.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. You should, Okay, it's all right.
• 55:08
  Speaker 8: One of the hardest, like hardest I've laughed in theater
• 55:11
  Speaker 8: at a at a rom com?
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, what about you?
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: I'm going to go to School nineteen ninety three with
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Sleepless in Seattle. Yeah, correct, the Great Male which one. Yeah,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: they were both both great.
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: So this is this is a last show Sean and
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: I of the year, and I wanted to this summertime,
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: and I wanted to bring out the movies. And there's
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: no right wrong, but it's really movies are such an
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: important factor in our society and shown. I'm so glad
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: that you love romantic comedies.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: I do. I actually love romantic comedies.
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: Well, we're both in the Pitch Perfect too, which is
• 55:53
  Speaker 8: kind of a rom com.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Hitch is also a good rom com.
• 55:57
  Speaker 8: Yes, Gordy movie recommendation for you if you haven't seen
• 56:01
  Speaker 8: it yet. I recently saw it. I'm late, I got
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: I got a baby at home, so late. Get into
• 56:07
  Speaker 8: the theaters now the Odyssey.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Saw it. It's incredible. I haven't seen it yet.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: I will this weekend with Chris Nolan director.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Gordy's gonna go see The Odyssey this weekend. I've
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: still got to find a time. I gotta go see it.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: I've been looking forward to the release and now it's
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: old news. I'm gonna get spoilers. No spoilers for the Odyssey, Okay.
• 56:28
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  Speaker 1: Jerem Jeord, Welcome to the show. How are you.
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  Speaker 9: Listen? Uh, the Mariners have won back to back walk
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  Speaker 9: off so maybe they'll be in the World that'd be awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Uh. You you're already spoiled as a Seattle sports fan.
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  Speaker 1: You don't. You don't need the Mariners to make it
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  Speaker 9: Okay, listen, they're the only Major League Baseball franchise that's
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  Speaker 9: never been to the World Serio. So I know that
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  Speaker 9: the the reigning champ. No electrical station issues up in Seattle,
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  Speaker 9: unlike San Francisco. Okay, I would like it if the
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  Speaker 9: Mariners made it to the World Series. At some point.
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  Speaker 1: How's how's the summer been, Jerem Jordan? How are you?
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  Speaker 1: What's the summer been like for you?
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  Speaker 9: Summer's been drag super slow, super just ready for football.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 9: I always gauge around, you know, early September. I go, man,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 9: why am I I'm happy right now? But why am
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 9: I so much happier in the fall. It's because football
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  Speaker 9: is on five six days a week. So we are
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  Speaker 9: just weeks away from that ball camp against tomorrow for
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 9: Cougar football. I know the youths are underway Big twelve
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  Speaker 9: Media Days for a couple of weeks ago. Life is good, Sean.
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  Speaker 9: We are rearing to go. As much as I love
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  Speaker 9: the summer, I love the fall more.
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  Speaker 1: We were sorely disappointed that we did not get to
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  Speaker 1: see you down there at Big twelve Media Days and
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  Speaker 1: pick your brain, but I guess it gives us an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to do so right now. BYU is highly thought of,
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  Speaker 1: as I think they should be in the conference this year.
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  Speaker 1: In the preseason it was you know, Texas Tech and BYU.
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  Speaker 1: The conference itself doesn't do the poll anymore, but every
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: other publication does, and people think that this BYU team,
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  Speaker 1: with all of the player personnel that they're bringing back
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  Speaker 1: and with almost complete consistency in the coaching staff, should
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  Speaker 1: be as good or better than they were last year.
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  Speaker 1: My question for you, Jerem, is I mean it was
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  Speaker 1: really one team that stood in BYU's way last year.
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  Speaker 1: They just couldn't get over the Texas Tech hump. Do
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  Speaker 1: we have a reason to believe that this year they can?
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  Speaker 9: And there's I mean there's a chance that they don't
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  Speaker 9: even match up with them, right, depending on how it
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  Speaker 9: goes in Texas Tech and YU and the big whole
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  Speaker 9: title game. But what the real thing for BUYU is
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  Speaker 9: can they do it again? They've done it two years
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  Speaker 9: in a row. Twenty three and four is excellent over
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  Speaker 9: two years, especially in a power league where Boy has
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 9: only been in three years. That's the question right in
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 9: the biggest games, is boy going to win or just
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  Speaker 9: compete at a level where they'll be considered later like
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 9: that Notre Dame game is a godsend on the schedule,
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  Speaker 9: and if BYU, I think has a great regular season
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  Speaker 9: and if they win that their their prime position to
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  Speaker 9: be very interesting at the end of the year for
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  Speaker 9: an outlage conversation, unlike last year where they should probably
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 9: should have been but we're not. But if you like
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  Speaker 9: competes better, yeah, I think the slap in the face
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  Speaker 9: that was those two games for BYU and the fact
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  Speaker 9: that they had some injuries in those games. If they
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  Speaker 9: can be healthy, if they can compete better and or
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  Speaker 9: obviously win, they give themselves an opportunity because they've been winning,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 9: they're on the map, they're noticed. But yes, you have
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  Speaker 9: to show up in the biggest games. You always been
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  Speaker 9: very good. Can they be great? And as you mentioned, Sean,
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  Speaker 9: expectations are high. There are a lot of seasons in
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  Speaker 9: Boa history where there were expectations and they weren't met.
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  Speaker 9: You always pretty good at being like, tell us what
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  Speaker 9: we can't do, and then they achieve it. I guess
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  Speaker 9: what they can't do quite yet is get to the playoffs,
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  Speaker 9: and that's kind of the next step for them.
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  Speaker 1: I think a great fear for the rest of the
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  Speaker 1: Big Twelve should be whether it is or not should
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  Speaker 1: be bear Bachmeyer making a significant leaf between his first
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  Speaker 1: year as a starter as a freshman and sophomore year.
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  Speaker 1: When you talk to coaches, when you talk to players
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  Speaker 1: who've done it at a high level, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: them will say that that second year is where you
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  Speaker 1: really make the most growth, that you're now comfortable it's
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  Speaker 1: your job, you're not looking over your shoulder. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't think he was much last year either. But bear
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  Speaker 1: Bachmeyer was a revelation for BYU as a true freshman
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  Speaker 1: last year, and he's had now an entire offseason to
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  Speaker 1: prepare at the school he was at it he showed
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  Speaker 1: up late last year, right, and of course it's his job.
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  Speaker 1: He's working very closely with the guy who is very
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  Speaker 1: underrated in my opinion as a quarterback developer and Aaron Rodrick.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of forward strides do you expect from bear Bachmeyer.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's interesting because I think if he puts up
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  Speaker 9: the same numbers, I think that'd be spectacular. The reason
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  Speaker 9: being is that boy just doesn't have a lot of
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  Speaker 9: proven pass catchers in the wide receiver room outside of
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 9: Stay Jojo Phillips and Tiger Bachmeyer. When you lose Chase
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  Speaker 9: Robertson Parker Kingston's production on the field, that's just a
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  Speaker 9: lot of yard, a lot of time, a lot of experience,
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  Speaker 9: right for those two guys. So but you add two
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  Speaker 9: really good tight ends after you lose Carson Ryan to
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  Speaker 9: the draft and the Browns and Walker Lyons from the
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  Speaker 9: USC and Rogers telepagraphs from Oregon. So it's it's asking
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  Speaker 9: a lot to be like Hey, Pastor war Yards but
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  Speaker 9: Aaron Rodgers said this this summer in an article in
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  Speaker 9: the Saltic Tribune. Ken Reynolds said, Hey, I want him
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  Speaker 9: to throw for you know, about thirty touchdowns, and it
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  Speaker 9: was like, WHOA, we had fifteen last year, so I
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 9: could see where they figured that out. And they used
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  Speaker 9: the run game effectively. Obviously with LJ Martin back and
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 9: then a healthy SIONI MO, I think is going to
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 9: help a ton. Not having him basically the last ten
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 9: to eleven games of the year made it so Baar
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  Speaker 9: had the shoulder a little more, and he did a
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  Speaker 9: nice job. Against Iowa State, LJ goes out at the
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  Speaker 9: beginning of the second quarter, Bear throws for over three
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  Speaker 9: hundred bowl game, there's no LJ.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 9: Against the Raine Georgia Tech team, Bear throws for over
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 9: three hundred and runs effectively at times. So I I
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  Speaker 9: think this step forward will be continuing what he's done.
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  Speaker 9: I don't need him to do more because he was
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  Speaker 9: the first true freshman to throw for three thousand and
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 9: rush for five hundred ever in college football history. I
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 9: don't think that stat's very well known. That's a crazy one.
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  Speaker 9: He doesn't have to do more, just keep it going, what.
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  Speaker 1: About l J Martin. You s the offensive player of
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  Speaker 1: the year last year in the conference, even though he
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  Speaker 1: did get banged up at times. If he's all the
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  Speaker 1: way healthy, and it seemed like he was when we
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  Speaker 1: talked to him at Big twelve media days. He seems
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  Speaker 1: optimistic about the outlook. Everyone around the program that I've
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: talked to is optimistic about his outlook. Is that a
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: repeatable or even improvable performance from last year for LJ?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think absolutely both of those, because boy feels
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  Speaker 9: good about their offensive line. They returned three starters. I
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 9: think Uoa has one of the top five centers in
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 9: America and Bruce Mitchell. I think Andrew Gentry is kind
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 9: of a third day guy in the NFL and a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 9: national champion Michigan that's got a ton of experience. They
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 9: brought in Pockey Finale from Washington who primarily played guard,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 9: but they love him at tackle. They're excited about him.
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  Speaker 9: And so the three man run game of l J. Martin,
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  Speaker 9: Joni Mullen, bear Bachmer, I think I think that's pretty
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  Speaker 9: much up there with anybody's kind of trail of quarterback
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 9: and top two running backs in the country. I think
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  Speaker 9: They're a nice mix of power and speed and I'm
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 9: excited to see that because that's where Boy's offense starts.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 9: It's a it's a rush offense for a play action
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  Speaker 9: pass game to tight ends and deep threats that will
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  Speaker 9: emerge and l J. Martin certainly at the Crux event.
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  Speaker 1: The lack of established pass catchers, that's a problem that
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  Speaker 1: Utah football fans are very accustomed to going into a
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  Speaker 1: year and wondering what that's going to look like. It's
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  Speaker 1: not like there is in town. It's not like they
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  Speaker 1: haven't recruited well. And that is typically a position where
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  Speaker 1: young guys or newcomers can come in and integrate relatively seamlessly.
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  Speaker 1: So even if there's nobody established, who do you think
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  Speaker 1: is you know, the most likely to emerge and be
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  Speaker 1: a primary target for bear Bachmeyer.
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  Speaker 9: I think the two tight ends are going to be
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  Speaker 9: used a lot, like I really do think Walker Lyons
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  Speaker 9: and Rogers Sally Parker are going to be guys that
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  Speaker 9: are two of the top three or four pass catches
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: from the YU. I think Jojo Phillips walks in as
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  Speaker 9: your wide receiver number one. It's kind of been wide
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: receiver number three for the past year or two. Little
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 9: banged up last year, but he's shown some really good signs.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 9: And then there's kind of a crew of guys that
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 9: someone's going to emerge from this group. Kyler Casper comes
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 9: over from Morgan, a sixty six kid from Arizona that
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 9: didn't get a ton of run there due to injury.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 9: He's looking for an opportunity. Tay Nakua still in the
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  Speaker 9: coup on the roster. Always awesome when that's the case.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 9: Legend Glasgow out of Lehigh High School. They really like
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 9: him in kind of every situation, the speed, the hands,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 9: the route running. Tiger Bachmeyer is a guy that's super solid.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 9: You know what's going to get from him. We got
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  Speaker 9: to see a brother the brother connection in the past game.
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  Speaker 9: We saw that with Gunner and Baylor Romney a couple
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  Speaker 9: of years ago. Let's see it with the Bachmer boys.
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  Speaker 9: So there's let's see there's Reggie Frishnek to snow College
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  Speaker 9: transfer who two years ago led Juco in YOURDS per
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  Speaker 9: catch and touchdown. So there's a group of guys there,
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  Speaker 9: and I think we'll certainly see by committee initially, but
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  Speaker 9: I would bank on those two tight ends as being
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 9: big time targets for BYU.
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  Speaker 1: Defensively. Everyone credits Jay Hill for you know, kind of
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: a resurgence, ay renaissance of BYU defense. A big part
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: of the success that they had was not necessarily developing
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: outstanding star talent that gobbled up all the stats. But
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: everyone was good. Everyone helped create the turnovers. Everybody kind
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: of pulled up their chair and ate at that table
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  Speaker 1: for BYU's defense. And it's not because they didn't have
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: players capable of being stars. It's just because that's the
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: way things worked out. Now. Nobody is perfect. Pass rush
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: needs to improve, probably, but what is the expectation for
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: a BYU defense that is now without j Hill, who
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: was obviously off to Michigan, but returns all conference level
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: guys at every level. You got and you brought in
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: maybe the best defensive player, the best defensive transfer in
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: the whole conference. So how good is the defense going
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  Speaker 1: to be?
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  Speaker 9: The expectations are high normally with year one of a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 9: DC you kind of go, wow, give him some time.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 9: I don't think Kellypinga has really afforded that one because
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 9: Kelly's very experienced himself. He's been a position coach under
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 9: some of the best defensive lines in the country. Bronco
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 9: men in the Hall for over a decade has been
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 9: he had a year at Boise State. Obviously, he's been
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 9: influenced by Clinie's take j Hill. Remember Gary Anderson didn't
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 9: go to Michigan. He stayed at BYU, which I think
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 9: was one of the boons of the off season for
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 9: Cougar football to continue to have Garry Anderson's influence in
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 9: the defensive room. They're a Chad k coaching the defensive end,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 9: so there's some great experience in that room. So Kelly's ready.
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  Speaker 9: I don't think he could be more ready for this moment.
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  Speaker 9: And what you said, They've got talent all over the
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 9: field at each position group. There haven't been very many
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  Speaker 9: years where I felt like there's an NFL guy at
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 9: every position on defense. So I would say Ton of
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 9: Boston defensive end, linebacker, you got Glasger new Luab corner,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: you got Evan Johnson, perhapstre Alexander and then safety. Perhaps
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 9: the most talented player on Boy's team has followed out
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 9: South Twala, who after this year and next year could
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 9: be a Day one k Day two guy in the draft.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 9: He had that high of a feeling to me, So
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 9: it's exciting. He's got a ton of talent, a ton
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 9: of experience. I think he's ready for this moment, and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 9: I think he's going to do a great job. I
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 9: think he'll keep it going on defense, which has been
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 9: a big, big deal for BoA's success last two years.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: When you look at k Pop taking over and having
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: all of those weapons at his disposal, defensive weapons at
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: his disposal, does it look like Jay Hills defense or
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: does schematically he stir things up do things a little
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: bit differently.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 9: That's a little bit TVD with kind of what they're
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 9: going to roll out of practice and ultimately what we
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 9: see games, right because that practice typically they're not going
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 9: to show you the good stuff for the media observation.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 9: They'll vanilla it down as you know. But they have
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 9: talked about, yeah, it's going to be similar, but there
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 9: will be different wrinkles. They are calling some things some
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 9: different you know, different things on defense natural to do
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 9: when you switch DC. So most of spring it was
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 9: a lot of like, Okay, what is this called? We
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 9: used to call this, now it's this guys getting used
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 9: to kind of a couple couple new guys in the secondary,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 9: you know, Lewis Walker, former former ute and you know,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 9: others getting used to kind of those calls. But I
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 9: there will be kind of Kelly's print on it. And
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 9: he's always kind of been yeah, let's be aggressive, and
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 9: Jay Hill is aggressive to him. Let's get out to
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 9: the quarterbacks. Let's have some mcgonic blitzes. The corner blitzes
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 9: always exciting, making confusing for the quarterback. And so I
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 9: think it's going to be similar but different in terms of, hey,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 9: we're going to get after him, let's force some turn
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 9: overs here.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: You already mentioned one game on the schedule with that
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame contest. It's not only a big opportunity for BYU,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: it's it's like the premiere non conference matchup in the
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: entire conference. It's the best opportunity for the Big twelve
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: sort of by extension to stake acclaim at, you know,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: being a top league, and when you look at where
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: it sits in the schedule, who it comes before and after.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: I mean there's there's some challenge to this BYU schedule,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: especially when you drop a Notre Dame onto it is this, Uh, well,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: how do you view the scheduling because Utah has got
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: as friendly as schedule as you could ask for for
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: a first time head coach. Where's BYU at on that spec.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think there's some real challenges in the first
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 9: half of the schedule. Like you said, I think Week
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 9: two against Arizona at home is a big game. Last year,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 9: that was a lightning delayed game that went to double
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 9: ot boways down ten with five minutes to go and
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 9: they pulled that one out in doublet That was a massive,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 9: massive wins, nine win Arizona team. BOI dropped that. That's
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 9: a ten win Arizona team. That was a good team
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 9: with no Famprida back on Fox Middle of the Day, skycam,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 9: the whole deal. It's going to be a big moment.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 9: And then Week four for BYU was big at TCU.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 9: I think TCU is going to be improved. They've won
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 9: eighteen games last year. It's not like they've been bad
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 9: four years off of the National Championship Game run. They
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 9: hired an OC that's going to run the ball, Gordon
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 9: Samis from Yukon, so they're gonna be more balanced, which
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 9: I think is dangerous because TCU, to me, they just
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 9: always have a good defense. They've always got athletes. So
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 9: that's going to be a tough game. So the hope
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 9: is BYU is you know, five and one, six and
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 9: oh going to that no game game. But there's two
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 9: massive conference games lingering there. Just because BYU's gone twenty
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 9: three and four last years doesn't mean they're just gonna
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 9: run through everybody. You got to show up and win
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 9: these games where the targets on your back for BYU
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 9: now with Texas Tech in this league, so I'm excited
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 9: about it. And then yeah, there's there's tough context like
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 9: at UCF, it's sneaky the week after Notre Dame, Like
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 9: what if YU pulls off a huge win and they
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 9: have to go across country against an always talented UCF
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 9: team later in the schedule obviously Utah on the road.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 9: That's always tough no matter what the situation is. So
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 9: it's it's it's rough, man. I would I would love
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 9: a ten and two regular season for BYU. I know,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 9: expectations are super high, but you go through that again
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 9: and you go ten and two. The hope is, you know,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 9: eleven and one and that one losses either in league
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 9: you can pull off the Notre Dame win, because that's
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 9: bigger than any single big twelve games, but that you
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 9: can get to Arlington and give yourself a chance to
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 9: get to the college football playoffs.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: Will BYU fans like Morgan's scaley more than they like
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham, I.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 9: Think, no question, Because Kyle refused to save the letters b,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 9: Y and you consecutively. Now he'll say it now that
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 9: it's the Michigan and the like Michigan signs looks like
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 9: a down you the YU fans, which is kind of funny.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 9: But I think, yeah, Morgan, out of the gate, has
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 9: approached it just differently than Kyle. You know, Kyle made it,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 9: made it a certain way, and Morgan's kind of put
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 9: it differnt on it. So it's been it's been interesting,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 9: right like post post Utah Kyle versus Utah, Kyle kind
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 9: of feels like a different dude. You know, he's talking
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 9: about Ohio State and Michigan and how I don't think
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 9: there needs to be hatred. They were like whoaaha, what
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 9: did you decid?
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I got a kick out of that for multiple
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: reasons because it's like, wait, do not remember the rivalry
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: you just came from? And also like it's he's usually
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: not tone deaf, like he'll be KG, but he's usually
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: not tone def And that was an incredibly done deaf
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: statement from Kyle Whittingham. So whatever, Like, uh no, it's okay,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Like we want we want the hate that like you
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: do want the hate?
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah, we love it.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The coaches pull USA Today Coaches Poll or depending
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: on your belief in how the leadership structure of these
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: college football teams worked, the USA Today Sports Information Director Poll,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: the Coaches Poll is out and BYU sits at fifteen.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: So respect in the preseason for BYU. I think they
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: earned that with what Kloni Satake has done in recent
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: years and it is what they did, what they did
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: in the off season and retaining a lot of the
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: players that we've already talked about. Is that a good
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: starting point for BYU?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 9: If that shows up in the AP at fifteen, that
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 9: is kind of the uh low I would want to
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 9: see them. I'm hoping they're closer to ten. They finished eleventh.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 9: They bring back the third most snaps in college football,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 9: including quarterback, receiver, and most of the defense. I feel
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 9: like because BYU is not you know, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 9: Penn State, whatever, like they're if they had those colors
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 9: and those logos, they would be hovering year ten, nine,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 9: ten eleven. I think that's where they honestly deserve to be,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 9: given how much they returned, But I'm expecting kind of
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 9: twelve thirteen, but I would I would love it if
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 9: they were. Yeah, it's highest humanly possible. Because Cougar Stats,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 9: which provides some good stuff, they said that last year
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 9: at no point did a preseason unranked team pass a
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 9: preseason ranked team when they were both undefeated. So where
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 9: you start pole position really matters in the polls as
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 9: you go throughout the season. Certainly you can climb and
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 9: beating unre Dame would launch you you know, and all
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 9: that stuff, but it does matter, like you're always going
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 9: to lose in the regular season and sets them backs,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 9: like when do they lose and how much by and
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 9: that all it all factors in. So the higher you
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 9: can start, the better. The highest preseason ranking everybody. Boy,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 9: by the way, was number ten coming off the national championship,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 9: which is a slap.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: In the face.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 9: You win in your ten, What the heck the next
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 9: is sixteen? So I expect this to be the second
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 9: highest preseason ranked VOA team ever.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: Because it's Texas Tech according to everyone else, maintaining their
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: dominance or you know, being back in a championship game,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: which I'm not ready to fully just take for granted
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: as of yet. I think Utah is going to have
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: something to say about it, hopefully. I think Arizona, I
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: think TCU, like some of the teams you mentioned, I
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of really I think the
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: gap between whoever the top team in the league is
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: and kind of the next tier is not a big gap.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: So we'll see how it plays out. But what do
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: you think Texas Tech is going to be this year?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: They obviously they caught lightning in a bottle last year
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: bringing in all those transfers, getting them all on the
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: same page, and maybe they can recreate that they had
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: the controversy this offseason that would be distracting for I
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: think even the best culture in college football. I don't
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: know if they have the best culture in college football.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: But that's tough. Sounds like Will Hammond is going to
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: be ready to go week one instead of having to
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: wait till like week three or four. Do you expect
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: Texas Tech to be what they were last year.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 9: I don't know if they'll dominate as much. You know,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 9: they dropped the one in the regular season, you know,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 9: took it to be Away twice. They don't play anybody
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 9: in the non con abling Christian Oregon State Sam Houston.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 9: That Houston game on Friday, September eighteenth is going to
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 9: be big times. That is at home for Tech Tech.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 9: I think Houston's very good ten win team. Connor Wigman's back,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 9: They're getting their footing in the league as well. And
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 9: then it's not the toughest schedule. You have Arizona there,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 9: They've got TCU there. You know, they don't have BYU
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 9: or Utah. Like you said, like, that's that's interesting. I
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 9: do think they are super likely to get to Arlington,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 9: but I could see where there's some stumbles. Like their
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 9: front seven was so good last year. They had nine
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 9: draft picks. Jacob Rodriguez won every defensive award, number two pick,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 9: and David Bailey is edge Rusher, they lost some stuff
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 9: they I know they got it in the portal, but
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 9: it's rare that you just put it all together in
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 9: one year in the portal. And let's remember like Texas Tech.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 9: I respect the heck out of them, but it's not
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 9: like they've won ten plus games a million times. They've
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 9: not had a ton of success like this. This is
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 9: kind of new territory. What does that look like in
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 9: year two? What does that look like with Will Hammond?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 9: And certainly, as you mentioned the offseason kerfuffle that was
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 9: the Brendan Swordsby stuff. So I do think they're gonna
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 9: stumble once or twice during the regular season. Is that
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 9: enough to lose a tiebreaker and not make it to Arlington?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 9: I don't know, but I'm with you. I think it's
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 9: it's gonna be a better race in the league of
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 9: a lot of like A plus teams than most people
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 9: think around the country.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Does BYU have any graduating class of twenty twenty two
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: guys that may or may not get a fifth year
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: of eligibility and why we want to come back and
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: rejoin this team.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 9: That's a good question. I haven't heard of anyone that
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 9: either boy is interested in or is going to suddenly
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 9: be there. Because it's so soon before fall camp, I'm
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 9: guessing there's nobody with mensoofs. There's time to sort of
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 9: wrangle that potentially, and for mensoops for I actually expect
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 9: them to get at least one guy from the twenty
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 9: two class. But football I'm expecting zero. I'd be shocked
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 9: that there's someone that kind of rejoined. Maybe there is,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 9: but I haven't heard of anybody quite yet.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting. Well, we look forward to having conversations with
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: you on a more regular basis now that football is back.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you giving us some time today, Jerem. Thank you.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 9: Always great to talk to you. Football is almost here.
• 1:21:54
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• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: does a phenomenal job covering BYU Sports and he's really
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: really dialed in not only on BYU but on the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: rest of the Big Twelve, whether you love it or
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: hate it, and I know most of you out there
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: listening hate it. BYU. They have a squad man that
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: is a really talented team, that is an incredibly well
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: coached team. I do expect Kelly Pepinga to have some
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: growing pains in his first year as a coordinator. I
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: do think it's not going to be a completely seamless
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: transition from Jay Hill. But he is working for Kalani Satake,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: who had a lot of good years as a defensive
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: coordinator before he ever took over as a head coach.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: He's got an incredibly talented roster. I don't know how
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: deep they are behind like some of those big name starters.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: And when I say I don't know, I'm not expressing
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: my doubt that they have depth. I'm saying I truly
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: don't know because a lot of those guys aren't going
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: to get a ton of reps. I don't think great
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: running back room, wide receiver room question mark. But man,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be a tough team to beat. That is
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: your whole Utah football season. When they come to Rice
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: Ecle Stadium BYU is gonna be probably a one loss team,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: probably a top fifteen team, and you should be either
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: a one lost team run defeated at that point yourself.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna have I mean, that is a likely
• 1:23:31
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• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: goes even remotely. According to Chalk, that is a massive, massive,
• 1:23:41
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  Speaker 1: BYU has made an appearance at fifteen in the preseason
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  Speaker 1: Coaches Poll. Texas Tech is the highest ranked Big twelve team,
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  Speaker 1: as I think all of us would have anticipated. Top
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  Speaker 1: five goes Ohio State one, Oregon two, Georgia three, Texas
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  Speaker 1: for Notre Dame five. According to the Coaches Poll, the
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  Speaker 1: defending national champions, Indiana Hoosiers are all the way down
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  Speaker 1: at six. Miami's all the way down at seven. That's
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  Speaker 1: your National Championship game from last year. But both of
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  Speaker 1: those teams did lose a lot, mostly into the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: So who's gonna win the national Championship?
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  Speaker 8: I don't know?
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  Speaker 1: Six seven OC. Don't you know? Are the kids still
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  Speaker 1: doing that? Are they still saying that? Maybe? I don't
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  Speaker 1: know the teacher.
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  Speaker 8: From what I've heard, the teachers are are They've done
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  Speaker 8: their best to make it seem lamey by doing it themselves.
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  Speaker 8: By the way, see, by the way, eight seven seven
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  Speaker 8: three five three zero seven hundred, when.
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  Speaker 1: The bleep did schools start to begin starting so early?
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  Speaker 1: My daughter goes back to school in like a week
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  Speaker 1: and a half, you know, infuriating that is from me.
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  Speaker 1: Labor Day weekend was always you would go to school
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: for like four days and then you would have labor Day. Yeah,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: that's like.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 8: The college schedule now, is you You you go for
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 8: you go for a week, then you got labor day
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 8: and go back. That's yeah, that's not the the K
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 8: through twelve anymore. I see, I can't relate because it's
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 8: Saint George Washington County School District.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Shout out, you guys always started started mid August. Oh
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: my gosh, we always started end of August, maybe even September.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 8: First, we would start mid August, and then we would
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 8: we would get out the week before or the week of, uh,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 8: the week before Memorial Day, I guess, so we'd be
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 8: out of school before Memorial Day.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's the the positive end of this
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: whole calendar shift, because I remember distinctly it would being
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: last week of August and then you would end very
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: last to May or maybe even I think my graduation
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: date was like June or something. Now they're out in
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: mid May.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, see that was always you know, cousins that lived
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 8: up here, we're out of school. We've been out of
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 8: school for a week. Oh you're still in school. It's June.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 8: And the same thing with my cousins that lived in
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 8: the Mesquit area, Nevada.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: Same kind of thing. Long lived summer. Man, I don't
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: want to send my kids back to school yet. Wake
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: me up when September ends. Huh okay, White Cliff, Oh wait, no,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: that's gone till November. Back to the Coach's poll, rounding
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: out the top ten, Texas A and M at eight.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: Don't believe in you never will Oklahoma at nine, Ole
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: Miss at ten, Texas Tech at twelve. As we mentioned
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: BYU is sandwich between USC who comes in at fourteen,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: and at Michigan Wolverines at sixteen. If you're a Utah fan,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: that's hating on Kyle Whittingham. Now that's got to be
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: like a little you have to enjoy that a little bit.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: That Kyle Whittingham opened the pole and was just like, oh,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: BYU's ahead of us, dang it. But you also, I mean,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: are you mad that Utah's lower? Look? Maybe you're not
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: because Michigan's a storied program. I don't know. Unfortunately that's
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: the case for that team. Utah came in and the
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: coaches poll at twenty one between SMU and Iowa. Houston
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: sneaking into the coaches poll another Big twelve teams. So
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: it's Texas Tech twelve BYU fifteen, Utah twenty one, Houston
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: twenty four for the Big twelve also receiving votes TCU
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: just outside of what would end up making them a
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: top twenty five team. Same with Arizona and even Oklahoma
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: State got a little bit of love, which is pretty incredible.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma State has like seventy five new players on their roster,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: new coach, new quarterback, knew everything. If they end up
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: being a ranked team, that is coach of the year
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: type of situation in the Big Twelve. That's like one
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: of the greatest, that's one of the greatest turnarounds in
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: like recent college football history.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: If that's the case.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 8: Yes, obviously behind Indiana, but like nothing's going to be
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 8: a greater turnaround than what Kurt Signetti and Indiana have
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 8: done recently. But like that, that would be an incredible
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 8: season for the Pokes. As they say, they get that right,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 8: the Pokes That Oklahoma State? Yea, yeah, okay, Yeah, there's
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 8: like I always in my head, I'm a whenever I
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 8: say whenever I think it, I'm like, hold on, is
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 8: that Virginia Tech, the Hokies, the Pope?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah whatever? Uh I think they say go Pokes. I don't, like,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: I know Wyoming does.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a Cowboys thing apparently. Then yeah, how come
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 8: Dallas doesn't say go Pokes? Then yeah, you're good.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: The their official app for tickets is apparently the go
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: Pokes app.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 8: Okay, so other interesting thing now, first off, the coaches
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 8: poll is like the meeting is the most meaningless of
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 8: all the polls, but it is the first one in
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 8: the preseason to come out, so it gives us something
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 8: to talk about right now. But I just wanted to
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 8: put that out there for anyone that's like, why are
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 8: they why is UTAH twenty one or whatever, It's like,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 8: just relax, this is one actually doesn't matter at all.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 8: But I always with the AP poll and then the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 8: Collegeoball playoff poll later, I always like to count, you know,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 8: how many teams from each conference? SEC has the most
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 8: in this preseason Coaches poll OC with nine, Then it's
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 8: the Big Ten with eight, Then it's the Big twelve
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 8: with four, ACC with three, and then Notre Dame is
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 8: the only independent, of course, as is usually the case,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 8: and zero from the G five slash group of six.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 8: So that that's interesting that we got nobody from the
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 8: group of six. Now that's getting that's getting any kind
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 8: of preseason love, at least in this very meaningless coaches pull.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: In a year following a time where two group of
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: six teams made it into the twelve team college football playoffs.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 8: In a year where the PAC twelve is back, we
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 8: have they don't they don't get a representative Aggie's fans
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 8: are up in arms, shout out to you guys.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: Very interesting the coach's poll. And when I say very interesting,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: I mean kind of doesn't matter. It's interesting because it's
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: the only poll out right. Now here's something that does matter.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: This is official Utah Athletics release. Fan Fest is returning
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: to Rice Cycle Stadium August twenty second, so you'll have
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to interact with your favorite Utes, celebrate the
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: kickoff of the twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven year.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: Fan Fest goes from six to eight pm. Bring the
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: kids out. There'll be activity on the field. You'll have
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: opportunities to take pictures with student athletes. They'll be signing autographs.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: They'll be the official the first official performances of the
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: Utah Marching Band and the Spirit Squad. Bill Riley, the
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: voice of the Utes and occasional hosts of The Sean
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: O'Connell Show, will be on the video board with a
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: bunch of interviews that he's been doing in the offseason
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: as they continued their content creation push up there at
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: the University of Utah. Concession stands will be open so
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: you can grab a little bit of food. You can
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: park for free in the West Stadium lot. And that's
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: the last time you're going to get to park for
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: free for the football season. So yeah, you know what,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: take advantage of it while you can't. Admission also free.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: The last time you'll get free admission to Recycles Stadium
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: as well. And you know what, I'll say this, there's
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of people ringing hands and worrying about well,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: as soon as private equity comes in, all of this
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: free stuff goes away outro Capital, Crimson Brand Partners, private
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: Equity Partnership. Right, they're still keeping this accessible for the
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: fan base. We can criticize if they get things wrong,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna applaud when they get things right, because this
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: is easily one of those things where you could be like,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: no cost you five bucks to get in, cost you
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: ten bucks to get in. But fan Fast should be
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: free to the public, should be something that gets people
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: excited about then becoming paying customers for the football games,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: the basketball games, the soccer games, the softball games, all
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So love to hear it, love
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: to see it. That'll be August twenty second at rice
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: Eco Stadium that evening. It'll be six to eight.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 8: So it's a Saturday night too, So this is not
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 8: gonna be a school night. You're worried about kids staying
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 8: up too late.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: This, yeah, cause your kids are gonna be back in
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: school because we've done that now. This person, Spencer on
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: the text line says, I grew up in the Denver area.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: We always started mid August like Jane bad for many reasons,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: but especially fall sports starting right away it's still blistering hot. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: try try that in Saint George. My guy. Absolutely that
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: all respect to Denver, but it's not really doesn't hold
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: a candle to the blistering hot of crisis and cliffs.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 8: But yes, I'm sure very hot for Denver that time
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 8: of year, which is which is uncomfortable. But yeah, that's
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 8: the That's what the girls soccer, because that seems to
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 8: be the one that their volleyball that seems to start
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 8: before anything else. They're they're starting their games. It's one
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 8: hundred degrees outside and in southern Utah every year.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. The Falcons have reached an extension with Bijon Robinson
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: that's gonna make him the highest paid running back in
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: the NFL three years, seventy five million dollars. Uh, you
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: take out the signing bonus and stuff, and he's he's
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: still the highest paid running back in the NFL. That
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: is money. Also, it's very fascinating to see how this
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: is happening more and more in NFL football right now,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: where unless you're a quarterback, unless you're a franchise quarterback,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of like three and five year extensions
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: being handed out. Nobody wants to commit to, especially a
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: running back type position for five or ten years. Now
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: this if you're Jamiir Gibbs, you love seeing this because
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: now Jamiir Gibbs is gonna be like, I want a
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: dollar more than that. Yeah, seventy five million and one penny. Uh.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: The Ravens also extended their all everything wide receivers A
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: Flowers four years, one hundred and forty million dollars.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 8: He's now tied with Justin Jefferson for the fourth highest
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 8: receiver in the NFL. I'm not sure he's should be
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 8: tied with Justin Jefferson in particular with that, but he's
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 8: a good player. Absolutely.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: The tough thing about when you've got good, not great,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: or good flirting with great, you can't afford to lose
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: that person. You can't afford for that person to not
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: be happy.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he's easily the Ravens' most talented wide receiver anyway,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 8: and he's been the most productive in most of his
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 8: early career here.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: It's actually kind of a curse if you have a
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: guy who's questionably great, because you have to pay them
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: like they're unquestionably great, and you have to commit that
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: percentage of your salary cap to keep someone who is
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: like maybe a top eleven wide receiver instead of a
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: top five wide receiver, and you're just like, dang it,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: why is that guy being paid like he's top five
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: when he's not top five?
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 8: Can I can I tell you Jazz fans are recently
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 8: can relate to this Rudy Gobert's contracts that he got
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 8: with the Utah Jazz.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: They could not.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 8: He was so important to the team because he was
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 8: the best defensive player in the league. Limited on offense obviously,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 8: except in some certain very niche ways. But you paid
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 8: him like he was a top five center in the league,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 8: top five big man in the league, because that's what
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 8: the market demanded, and that's I think that can be
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 8: kind of painful.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: I think in that case, you could actually make a
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: case why that's still the right thing to do, because
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: if you're if you're like the fifteenth best offensive center,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: and he might not have even been, that might have
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: been like the twentieth best offensive center, but you're the
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: number one best defensive center and that's out the top ten, right,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: But like maybe if you have the right personnel around,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: which the Jazz didn't, having that number one defensive guy
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: is worth super Max money.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 8: It's so punitive for your cap though, for your cap
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 8: hit with even more so in the NFL.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: It's honestly, it's why it's I think it informs why
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: the Walker Kessler trade was made, because they were willing
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: to commit a certain amount of caps based a certain
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: amount of money to get potentially another crack at having
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: one of the top defensive centers in the league, not definitively,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: but potentially, And then when the Kessler camp came back
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: and said, no, we need more than this, I think
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz management was just like, if you had
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: proven to us, if you've been healthy and proven to
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: us that you were Rudy Gobert, we probably would have
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: made that same if you want to call it a mistake,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: we probably would have made that same mistake twice, but
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: we're not going to do it on an assumption. We're
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: not going to take that risk. And I thought that,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: I thought that was the right thing to do. Yeah,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: And I think you characterize it. We're talking, you know,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: relating this as a Flowers thing. Good not great, but
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: good close to great most of the time. You it's
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: not necessarily a mistake. It's like a necessary it's a
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: it's a necessary evil that can be kind of painful
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: still a little bit, because you're like, we know in
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: the Ravens case, I think if you gave them all
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: truth to them, they're like, we knowse Flowers is nowhere
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: near Justin Jefferson's level for a receiver, but we feel
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: like we had to pay him the same amount of
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: money as Justin Jefferson because he's our best guy at
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: that position and we can't afford to lose talent like that,
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: even if he's not the talent that some other guys
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: are making similar money are.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 8: It's an interesting problem, and I think a lot of
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 8: gms would say it's a it'd be a good problem
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 8: to have in sports, But it's why you always go,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 8: why is that guy making as much as this guy,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 8: because some guys are more important to individual teams than
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 8: other guys who are near or exceeding their level as
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 8: a talent.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: Well, it's watching the numbers that get thrown around in
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: the NFL right now are really interesting. We didn't take
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: the time to talk about this last week, but the
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: Patriots are trying to extend Christian Gonzales. There all pro corner.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: He's twenty four years old. He's physically exactly what you
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: need to defend all of the elite receivers in the
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: league right now. And Robert Kraft was like, we offered
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: him a deal that makes him the highest paid corner
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: in the league, the highest paid defensive player in the league.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: And this is the funny part, the highest paid in New
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: England Patriot ever for a corner. Because that's what you
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: gotta do when when these bills come due, right when
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: a guy's contract comes up, they're like, yeah, pay me now.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: It's why it's why aj debonsa reclassified back up right
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: after sitting out or being held back for eighth grade
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And then was like, uh, no, never mind,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: we're going to go back. Because when it became clear
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: that he was going to be an NBA talent. You
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: want to get to that NBA contract, that second one
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: as soon as possible. It's why they did it with
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: Cooper Flag. It's I mean, you're seeing this really with
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: elite athletes and every sport. Now you get an opportunity
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: to have that had that contract year come up, have
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: that second bite at the apple come up sooner than later.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: You're extending as soon as you can. These guys are
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: making big fat money now and NFL, mark my words,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: NFL careers for everything that is a non quarterback are
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: gonna get shorter and shorter and shorter because you don't
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: have to torture your body for fifteen years in order
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: to make generational wealth. If you can get a four year,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: one hundred and forty million dollar deal, you're done. You
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: could stop playing after that if you want to. And
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: wide receivers are probably okay to keep going. But guys
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: like Aaron Donald, who is going to come back to
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: the Rams. Sean McVay has said, we've had great conversations,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: We're making progress. It's gonna happen. Yeah.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 8: The tone of him, by the way you read Sean
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 8: mcvay's comments, is a quick aside about that. You read
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 8: his comments and you go trending upward. It sounds like
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 8: he's being cute with his coach speak. And then you
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 8: hear the clip and he's like laughing as he says that.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 8: You're like, oh, like he's being He's being pretty obvious
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 8: that that Aaron Donald's coming back.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: And soon Aaron Donald's coming back, and it's just gonna
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: be a matter of like what he actually has to do.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: The negotiation process for Aaron Donald is how many practices
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: do I actually have to attend? How many games do
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: I actually have to play? What am I gonna have
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: to do? And he's gonna rework his contract? And and
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: I saw a report yesterday that the Rams are looking
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: to get Vita Veya as well. Is that real? That
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: would be? Is that a thing? LA?
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 8: With with what the Dodgers have done stacking their team?
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 8: They just added Trek Scougele at the deadline. If you
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 8: hadn't heard another Cy Young picture on their on their
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 8: rotation in right with the with the Dodgers have done
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 8: to stack their team and what the Rams are doing
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 8: to stack their team, particularly their defensive line, like La
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 8: already a hated sports market from people who don't live
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 8: in southern California, right, I think the hate will be
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 8: all at all time high this fall with between the
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 8: Dodgers and the playoffs and the Rams in the regular season.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 8: That's gonna be It's gonna be hard for teams, not
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 8: fans of those teams to like LA.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's possible. I really don't think it's
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: possible unless Aaron Donald comes back and does what Lebron
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: is doing right now. Yeah, it says like, I'll just
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: play for the veteran minimum so that you can pay
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: Vita beya because I'm only gonna be here for one season.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 8: And you maybe he maybe he will. He's like, oh,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 8: you guys are gonna bring in Vitavea too. Okay, I'll
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 8: take it. I'll take even more of a discount.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: I just can't see it happening because v Tovea right now,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: his gripe with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is he doesn't
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: want to play for eighteen million dollars a year. He
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: has no intention of playing this year, holding out. Yeah,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: I guess the only thing. The only reason he would
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: play for less to play with the Rams is because
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: at least they could win a Super Bowl this year.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, if.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 8: He's if his gripe is the money, hard to believe
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 8: he's gonna take less than that to play somewhere else,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 8: But we'll see.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: He wants to go to the West Coast. Uh. San
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: Francisco's on the West coast. Unfortunately they have an electrical
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: substation that is deteriorating connective tissues in their players.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 8: Arizona Cardinals are in the West as well. I don't
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 8: think he's interested in going to Arizona.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: Oh that would be if. I don't want to see
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: it because the Niners play in the Rams Division. But
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: if they had, If the Rams somehow got Aaron Donald,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: vite Vea, and Miles Garrett all on the same defensive
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: line at the same time, that would be frightening. You
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: have a better chance of gaining yards against a wall,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: like seriously, that's insane, Yes, because the wall can't move.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: The wall's not fast like those guys are. All right,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: before we take a break, a reminder, it's a Tuesday afternoon,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: all right. Your boss is probably not gonna notice if
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: you leave at three pm instead of five pm today.
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  Speaker 1: from yesterday's post practice media availability. As you tell, football
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  Speaker 1: head coach himself, Morgan Scaley. All right, Crib Scaley, how
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  Speaker 1: you feeling how things looking day one, take.
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  Speaker 11: It through, excited you back a ton of progress in spring.
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  Speaker 4: I love what I'm seeing in terms of the energy, you.
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  Speaker 11: Know, the body compositions from the summer lifting and conditioning.
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  Speaker 4: Good first day twelve periods.
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  Speaker 11: Really not grueling, just trying to knock off the cob
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  Speaker 11: webs a little bit, but excited to have these guys back.
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  Speaker 12: Morgan in this transfer portal nil era. It's rare to
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 12: have two starting level quarterbacks stare in the room, but
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 12: either have that with Devin and Bird. What what about
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 12: them makes them coexist in this offense and on the stem?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 11: I think the reason for it is they're unselfish and
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 11: you know, both of them embrace their role. Both of
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 11: them are very competitive and understand that their number can
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 11: be called at any time.
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  Speaker 4: It also allows for us to.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 11: Be a little bit creative and do some things with
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 11: their skill sets that can cause issues with defenses. But
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 11: they're unselfish young men who are all about the team
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 11: and that's a rare combination at that position.
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  Speaker 4: So very blessed to have those two.
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  Speaker 8: With the new twenty twenty two ruling from the kids
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  Speaker 8: that can come play, are you gonna explore anything like that,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 8: or is your team said, we will.
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  Speaker 11: Explore anything that we feel gives us an advantage and
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 11: can help us win football games.
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  Speaker 1: How many roster spots do you have to explore? Depending
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: on how many players are available.
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  Speaker 11: For us to know and you to find out there
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  Speaker 11: is maybe some some wiggle room for one or two guys.
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  Speaker 4: It's my guess.
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  Speaker 2: How do we find that out?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you can talk to each other. You're smart guys.
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  Speaker 4: What positions do you think are the most competitive?
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  Speaker 11: Right O, Safety is definitely one of the most competitive positions. Linebacker,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 11: wide receiver is you know, probably where we have the
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 11: most depth.
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  Speaker 3: You talked a lot about offensive line back in the
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: spring and how may was going to be massive for
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  Speaker 3: their development this fall.
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  Speaker 4: How did the off season go for those guys up front?
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: Really good?
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  Speaker 11: But we don't have pats on it, so I, you know,
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  Speaker 11: when we start to hit each other and tackle and
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 11: all that stuff, that's when I'll really have a good
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 11: understanding already from day one, I can tell.
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  Speaker 4: They've worked their butts off during the offseason.
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  Speaker 11: It's a lot crisper, cleaner, faster to the line of scrimmage.
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  Speaker 11: There's a lot of things that you can tell, Okay,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 11: they've spent a ton of time together.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: Devin talked a lot about this offseason just getting better
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: as a passer pre snap adjustments. Now that he's at
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: an off season in spring, what you've seen from him
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: just early on, it turns on.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so far, so good.
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  Speaker 11: Like I said, the speed at which they started to
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 11: execute on day one much better than what we saw
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 11: even near maybe the mid to end of spring. So
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 11: the player led practices were a huge bonus. And I
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 11: think you know, with if the new Bill passes, you're
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 11: going to see that. You know, you can have mandatory
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 11: practices during that summer time.
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  Speaker 4: So that just gives us another opportunity to continue to
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: improve what we didn't screen.
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  Speaker 1: How you feel about the state of the defensive line group?
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  Speaker 4: Uh, much like the offensive line.
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  Speaker 11: We got to hold off judgment until we get some
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 11: some pads on. But that's one group you can tell
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 11: has a ship on their shoulder.
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  Speaker 4: If you're you know, if you're walking.
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  Speaker 11: Through the facility and there's guys in the position room
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 11: watching film, it's the D line. They are very aware of,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 11: you know, the guys that we lost and the pressure
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 11: on them.
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  Speaker 4: They they're up to the challenge. I'm excited for that.
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  Speaker 2: Group off the boat day one.
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  Speaker 1: Any natural born leaders that are standing.
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  Speaker 11: Out to you, We don't know, man, No, I don't.
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  Speaker 11: We won't vote for leadership and captains until before the
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 11: first game. But you know, some of the guys that
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 11: were already on leadership council, you know, showed up today.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 11: And then you know again, just because you're on a
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 11: leadership council doesn't mean you're a leader.
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  Speaker 4: Can You cannot be on a leadership council still be
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: a leader.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 11: Leadership is influenced based on trust you've earned, and so
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 11: we've had a lot of guys that have been here
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  Speaker 11: a number of years earned that trust.
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  Speaker 4: To influence others to come along.
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  Speaker 11: So I'm pleased with the whole group, but it will have.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: To wait to see.
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  Speaker 2: You've had spring ball, yes, but today, first official day,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: how different was it.
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  Speaker 11: From It's just I'm not coaching a position group, so
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 11: I'm not so much worried about because I believe that
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 11: in coach mcgiven and coach Swan that the schemes are
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 11: going to be what they need to be. My whole
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 11: focus is on how we're going, you know, and are
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 11: we running to the ball.
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  Speaker 4: Are we living our culture?
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 11: It's the behavior that I'm after, and probably not good
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 11: enough today in terms of hustle, being relentless to the ball,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 11: relent let's jogging off off the field. This this game
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 11: requires a lot and a lot of discipline, and if
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 11: we're not holding them accountable, then you know, the culture
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 11: presents itself in a way that you don't that you're
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 11: not happy with.
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  Speaker 4: So not good enough today in that aspect.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 11: But the only difference for me is I'm not I'm
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 11: you know, I'm much more looking at every position group
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 11: and where can we fill holes and where can we
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 11: improve as opposed to coaching a side of the ball
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 11: or a position group.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 4: I'll let you spring on summer with the coach. We
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: give it what sticks out most about his offense.
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  Speaker 11: He is going to identify our playmakers and get them
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  Speaker 11: the ball. You know, he understands that we have to
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 11: establish the line of scrimmage, we have to establish a
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 11: physical brand of football.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 4: But he's also really good at here are my playmakers. Here,
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: here's how we're going to get them the ball. Not
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: here's my scheme. You have to fit in inside of it.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 11: It's who do we have and how can I really
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 11: accentuate them, How can I highlight them and.
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  Speaker 4: Their skill set?
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  Speaker 1: How similar will how similar will the offense look to fans?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, forget all the terminology and all that will.
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  Speaker 11: Oh, I guess it probably very similar?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, probably similar.
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  Speaker 11: You have, you know, formation of the boundary stuff, you
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 11: have shifts, motions, the quarterback run game.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 11: And that's a reason why a big reason why Devin
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 11: and Byrd you know, wanted to stay is because it
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 11: was very similar. And there'll be some added wrinkles obviously,
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  Speaker 11: And but yeah, I would say to the average fan,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 11: you're sitting there going, Okay, this looks similar.
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  Speaker 4: To what we saw last year.
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  Speaker 1: Defensively, how much wiggle room does cold Swan have to
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: explore schematic changes and that sort of stuff.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, it's his his defense.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: Again.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 11: I wanted that as a defensive coordinator. Kyle gave that
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 11: to me. Now, we are who we are, and we have.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: A mutual understanding of what we want to do here.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 11: But there's certain things that they're going to do, and
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 11: you know, they'll ask my opinion on it, but I
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 11: want him to have all, you know, the freedom to
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 11: be him to not feel like someone's looking over his
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 11: shoulder or second guessing what he's doing. I'm there to
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 11: support it.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: Morgan Scalley post practice day one. We'll have Day two
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: sound up on the website before too long here post
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: practice media availabilities. It usually begins right around when we're
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: going live on air, and so it'll wrap up probably
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: around noon most days, and then our guy Porter Larson
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: will get down here and get the sound as quickly
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: as he possibly can. ESPN seven hundred Sports app it's
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• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: Morgan Scalley, and I will tell you this, Morgan is
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: always going to say the right things. He's not going
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: to do it with the same level of filter and
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: the same level of like, oh, that's definitely coach speak,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: as you hear from a lot of guys in college
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: football and it's because he's a successful communicator. It's because
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: what there's not a disconnect between his brain and the
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: way he's thinking about things and the way he wants
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: to say things. That's where issues come up in college football, right,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: because coaches will be given a question and then they
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: immediately apply this stupid filter to it, like, wait, how
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: much can I say? What should I not say? What
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: am I worried about people knowing? Is there a way
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: that I can provide a satisfactory answer here without actually
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: giving any information. We are lucky that Morgan does not
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: have that filter between brain and mouth yet, and he
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: doesn't need it the same way other guys do because
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: he's just better at thinking on the fly in conversation
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: than some other coaches are. But he was asked there
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: about the offensive scheme and the similarities or differences from
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: last year. One thing that Kevin McGibbon, this is the
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: curse and the blessing of being at a school like
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: San Jose State, Utah State, Weaver State, some of these places. Right,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: Kevin McGibbon, at no point in his career has been
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: handed a ferrari. Never has he been given a roster
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: that is made up of NFL bound, hyper talented world beaters.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: It just isn't the reality of going up through one
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: double a football junior college football, mid major four football.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: I say it's a blessing and a curse because for him,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: there were times where he's calling an offense that does
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: not have reliable playmakers in every position. Room, Like, you
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: know how tough that is to look at it and say,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: all right, I want to do this with my scheme.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: We've got excellent running backs. I'm gonna go with the
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: Weaber State team that I was a part of where
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: he was an offensive coordinator. He's a play caller. Okay,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: we have excellent running backs, like incredible running backs. Week one,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: best running back room in the Big Sky Conference. By
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: week four, the two half backs that made us the
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: best running back room had been injured. Okay, well we
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: better rely on this freshman kid, and we're gonna move
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: our full back whose NFL bound. We're gonna let him
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: play some or halfback. That is far from perfect situation,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: right while also being like, we don't have a tight end,
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: didn't have it, did not have a pass catching tight end,
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: not one big blocker types, nobody you could throw the
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: ball to none. Our quarterback situation. It's an experienced guy
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: whose ceiling is where it is like that, he is
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: not getting better than here, good on mid range throws,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: not super spectacular or changing the play at the line
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Can't huck the ball deep. This is what
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: we've got. I got some speed on the outside, but
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: I don't have a quarterback that can deliver the ball
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: downfield to them. So we're gonna have to angle them
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: in toward coverage and toward the safeties, and we're gonna
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: have to find them in the right windows because they
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: can't just run past people because there's no ball being
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: delivered forty yards downfield. That's the kind of stuff that
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: he's dealt with throughout his career. That's the kind of
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: stuff he dealt with last year. Utah State had, you know,
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: an above average quarterback, one above average wide receiver, way
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: above average wide receiver, one really good wide receiver. Okay,
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: tight end situation, Okay, offensive line. That's what Kevin McGibbon
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: has dealt with at every stop along his career. It's
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: why when he gets to a place like the University
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: of Utah, he doesn't say everyone who played for me
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: last year. Come here, everyone who I met and helped
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: develop at San Jose State a couple of years ago.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: I want all of you at Utah now because they're
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: not good enough, They're not ready, they're not capable of
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: doing what he needs them to do at this level.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: Now he has an offense full of capable players, full
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: of guys that, if he puts them in the right situation,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: are gonna get open, catch the football. They're gonna deliver
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: the football accurately and on time. From the quarterback position,
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: they're knock on wood. They're running backs who are going
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: to hit the assigned hole at the assigned time, and
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: the hole is gonna be there. Because even though this
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: offensive line is not experienced, I think this offensive line
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: is more than capable. Kevin mcgiven will be fitting players
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: to scheme, but he's gonna get to run a scheme
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: where now he has players at every position in every room.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: I guess we don't know for sure about the tight
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: end spot yet, right I think, noa bend, he's gonna
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: be fine. We don't know one hundred percent for sure.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: I think that Will Monny and some of these young
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: kids I think are going to emerge and we're gonna
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: be excited about them. I think Hunter Andrews is gonna
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: be that Brant Keithy type. Is he a slot receiver,
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: is he a running back? Is he a wide receiver?
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: Is he a hand down on the end of the line
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage tight end? I think he's gonna be a
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: little bit of all those things. And Kevin McGibbon now
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: gets to play in that sandbox. He has not had
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: this opportunity in his career to date. It has not
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: happened yet. Look at all of his other offenses, all
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: of his other rosters, it's been like, oh man, that
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: guy's going to the NFL. That guy's going to the NFL.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: The other ten aren't gonna sniff a thing. They're not
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: good enough, right, And that's just normal football. So we
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 1: actually have no idea how good of a coordinator Kevin
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: mcgiven is going to end up being because this similar
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: to Jason Beck. When he arrived, he'd been at Syracuse, right, that.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 8: Was the highest level he'd coordinated at. Other than that,
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 8: it's basically been Kevin mcgivern's career a lot of Mountain West,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 8: a lot a group of five.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: And I will tell you this, Jason Beck found players
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: at New Mexico. They had one wid wide receiver at
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: New Mexico, had a stellar quarterback who got to New
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: Mexico because he was undersized. And now he's at Utah. Right,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: Devin dan Pierre, if he's six foot four, never is
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: at New Mexico, and he's probably never at Utah either. Right,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: We're lucky that he's here. We're lucky that Jason Beck
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: recognized that talent utilized it. Right, guy like McCarry Rodgers
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: recognized that type of talent, which, by the way, might
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: be back at the University of bringing back you heard
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: that was the other interesting part of that availability oc.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: He didn't mention to carry specifically, but he did say,
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: you know, we probably have one or two spots for
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: guys like that, and said he would do anything that
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: could make the team better. Adding depth always makes you better.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 8: I don't know if when he's he was a goal
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 8: line he was a goal line like nose for end
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 8: zone guy.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: Last year he led your running back room in touchdowns.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: He scored more touchdowns in Wayshaw.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 8: Stole them from Wyshawn if you want to think of
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 8: it that way. So he would be a great, you know,
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 8: re addition to the roster for sure, absolutely right.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: But to go back to the point I was trying
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: to make, Jason Beck had a very similar path, and
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like at New Mexico we had this embarrassment
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: of riches. New Mexico had a bad offensive line, not
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: like an okay offensive line. They had a bad offensive line,
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: and because they were going against bad defenses, like six
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: weeks out of the year, he made them look a
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: lot better than they were now. Jason Beck comes to
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: the University of Utah last year and what does he
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: produce for the first time in recent memory, a number
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: one offense at the University of Utah Because all of
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: a sudden, a guy with the mind for it has
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: the personnel to go with it. Two NFL bound offensive tackles,
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: you've got quality running backs, You've got quality between the
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: offensive tackles. You have a tight end that you like
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: who's also in the NFL. Right now, you've got that
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: same quarterback that you saw something special in New Mexico,
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: and then you figured out, oh my gosh, look at
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: this freshman kid that we're gonna put behind him. That
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: kid's special also, right, he figured it out and by
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: the way, that was without an elite wide receiver last year.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah, this year on paper you mentioned, you mentioned Kevin
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 8: mcgivern's guys at standout receivers from past from past stops,
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 8: Kyrie Scholz and Brandon Pegan. Those guys on paper more
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 8: talented than than what Jason Beck had to at his
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 8: disposal last year. So we'll we'll see if the passing
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 8: game gets opened up even more.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: And he knew what he had and what he didn't have, right,
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: and so what you got was sixty percent run, forty
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: percent pass last year in terms of production, and Utah
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: football had its best offense in recent memory, had its
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: best offense since Sugar Bowl.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 8: Better than the Pactal Championship year offenses were, which at
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 8: the time where by far the best offenses that's the
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 8: Sugar bowls.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, an incredible year.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 8: And I think you're laying out a lot of reasons
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 8: why if anyone has, if any Utah fans or otherwise
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 8: have doubts about Kevin mcgiven because he is not coordinated,
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 8: coordinated to this level before because maybe you haven't heard
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 8: of him before being being hired by Utah. I think
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 8: there's a lot of reason to believe that this is
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 8: gonna be a really good offense for the utes. We'll
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 8: see what style it will be, because it's not gonna
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 8: be exactly carbon copy the last year with Jason Beck,
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 8: and I cain't it'll be really productive.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: And it's, as most of you already know, it's largely
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: dependent on what the offensive line is or is not.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: But I think they're gonna be at least average, and
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: and I have seen what Kevin mcgiven can do with average,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: and he makes it better. I yeah, sometimes I'm like
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: always rooting for the underdog, so I will I will
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: be biased in that regard, right, I always want a
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: guy like a devon damn Pier. I'd rather have a
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: devn damn Pier transferring up climbing the ladder than a
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: guy making a lateral step. That's true with player personnel
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: for me. It is even more true with coaching personnel
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: for me, because if you can do more with less
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: talent wise as a coach, just like you could do
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: more with less as a player. But if you could
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: do more with less as a coach, do you know
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: how hard that is? I mean, I guess I don't
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: even know how hard. It is because I haven't had
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: to coach at that level, But I think I have
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: an appreciation of, you know, trying to make up for
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: weaknesses in competition. It's different in combat sports. I've cornered
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys. I've coached a lot of guys
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: that have also helped coach me. But when you know
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: what you're good at, when and if you're good at everything,
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: you're just like, all right, I'll take it all. I'll
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 1: be able to run the ball. I'll be able to
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: get out on the edge and run the ball. I'll
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: be able to run it between the tackles. I'll be
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: able to throw to my tight end. I'll be able
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: to throw to all of my wide receivers. I'll be
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: able to run a flea flicker. Because my offensive line
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: is going to give us enough time, I'm going to
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: do whatever like that is not difficult. That scheming that
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: way is easier than being at Utah State. It is
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: then being at San Jose State, the being at Weaver State.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: It's easier when you have elite talent at every position.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: And this is I believe the very first time in
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: Kevin mcgiven's career where he has anything close to that
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: where he's got at least good players at every spot.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: There's been plenty of times in his career where he
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: has had a great player here, a great player there,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: mediocre players here, average player there, and like two of
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: the eleven are bad. At Utah, he's not going to
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: have to have any bad players on the field in
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: his offense. And I think that's going to make a massive,
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: massive difference.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 8: At lots of Jags shout out, Steve Smith, just the guys.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: Just the guys, and guess what you could actually win
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: with just the guys. Unfortunately, in college football, the vast
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: majority of people are just the guy. But when you
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: get down to the lower levels the just the guy,
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: there is a liability sometimes, right the just the guy
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: at the University of Utah, at Texas Tech, at BYU,
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: at Arizona, at Arizona State, that guy is still a really,
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: really good football player, just relative to the competition. He
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: might not be exactly what you need. That's why you
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: have to coach him. But if you've come up through
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: the ranks coaching guys that are like, oh man, he's
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: exactly as tall as I need him to be, but
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: he is slow as hell. That is a big old
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman, but he has terrible footwork. That is not
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: the issue when you get to a place like this.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: The issue when you get to place like the University
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: of Utah is all right, I get at least average
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: across the board? How do I make them better than that?
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: So when Morgan Scalley answers a question about what do
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: you do? What is his offense?
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: His offense is a guy, a really smart guy for
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: the very first time in his career, like a kid
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: in a candy store. That's what his offense is. And
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get to watch it this year and it's
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. All Right. There's a
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: list out the most important players, the forty most important
• 2:11:30
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  Speaker 1: important players in college football? Did any utes make the list?
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  Speaker 1: I love a good list, especially in the offseason as
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  Speaker 1: we get closer and closer to the actual season, with
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  Speaker 1: football camp underway and with now the home opener for
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: Utah less than a month away. Who are the most
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: important players in college football? Well, obviously there's gonna be
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of quarterbacks on the list, Guys like Josh Hoover,
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: former TCU guy transferred to Indiana. He was ranked number
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: thirty six on this list last year. By the way,
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: Darien Mensa duke to Miami, he's number three on this list.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: Will Hammond not on the list last year because why
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: would he be as a backup quarterback. Will Hammond is
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: the number four most important player on the list according
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: to ESPN, and I don't think I disagree, not only
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: because I think he's an excellent quarterback, at least what
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: we saw from him against Utah last year was pretty impressive,
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: but because he has to be the guy that calms
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: the waters after the whole Brendan soarsby controversy and craziness.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: He has to be the guy that plays with the
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder, like you brought in somebody to
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: replace me. Basically, to make it so I didn't contribute
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: this year. I didn't play this year, and the cover
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: that you had was while I was injured to know
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: all my recovery was going to be like, but I'm
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: going to show you that Brendan soarsby in that mess
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: not a loss for us. That's a big, big responsibility
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: for a young quarterback because he still is a young quarterback.
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 8: And a heck of an opportunity too. For if you're
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 8: in his shoes, that's the way that you want to
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 8: think about this, not the You don't want to be
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 8: thinking about the weight on the shoulders, the responsibility. You
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 8: want to be thinking about, Wow, what a great opportunity
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 8: this is, just like last year was a great opportunity
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 8: for him when Baron Morton went down and he played
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 8: really good football unfortunately here at Recycle Stadium to start out.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 8: So absolutely that was his best performance of the year. Yeah,
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 8: but yeah, he tore an ACL and.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: The surgery is in. The recovery has been excellent for him.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 8: We heard James Westling yesterday Big twelve Radio said he's
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 8: he's starting week He's gonna start Week one probably, So
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 8: that's that's an incredible turnaround for him.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: I want to I don't want to make any accusations
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: of anything, but like, you can get back from injuries
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: faster now scientifically than you ever were able to in
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: the past. And I don't think peptides are regulated yet
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 1: as performance enhancing drugs. Said, like, these dudes have access
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: to the best healthcare and the best rehab facilities, and
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: they're young, and their bodies healed and they got better
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: nutrition and all that type of stuff. So Will Hammond,
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: I'm glad we don't see him in the regular season
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: or the University of Utah. He was a nightmare for
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: the youths to deal with last year. And even if
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: they had game planned for him, he was going to
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 1: be a nightmare because he's just a playmaker. But he's
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: number four on the list. There's a bunch of qbs
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: all throughout. Texas Tech, by the way, has multiple players
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: on this list, including their quarterback, Will Hammond. You keep
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: scrolling down, and Adam Trick, their linebacker, is number sixteen
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: on the list, and the blurb is, well, it goes
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: like this, an army of transfers helped to flip Texas
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: Tech's defense from ninety fifth to third last year. Now
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: Joey McGuire needs a brand new pass rush. With David
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: Bailey and Romelo Height gone, they've got Adam Trick, Trey White,
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: and Jaman Mathis. Those are all three transfers coming in
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: to to fill the hole he has. This Adam Trick
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: guy has eight and a half sacks and a nineteen
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: percent pressure rate, which puts him right behind David Bailey
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: from last year. And where was David Bailey drafted number
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: two overall? If you get pressure on a quarterback one
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 1: out of every five pass rushes, that is an absurd
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: success rate, and this Adam Trick guy was flirting with
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: that last year, so he's on the list. Kenny Johnson,
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: wide receiver at Texas Tech, is number twenty one because
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: they're expecting that he will be a big weapon for
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: Will Hammond and for the Texas Tech Red Raiders, who
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: everyone has just kind of already crowned as the Big
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: twelve champions. Bar Bachmeyer comes in at number thirty one
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: on the list. Bar Bachmeyer had to unexpectedly hand be
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: handed the reins at BYU as a true freshman and
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: had to keep the offense pretty cautious and low tempo
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: because of it.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 11: He just.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: The Cougars went twelve to zero against teams not named
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: Texas Tech. Is what the blurb says. If bear Bachmeyer
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 1: has a leap forward this year, that's a problem for everyone.
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: Number thirty two on the list, Avery Johnson of Kansas State.
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: We've seen him and what he can do with the
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: dual threat abilities. Obviously, he's got a new coach in
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: Colin Klein. And the Ute on this list is actually
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: not Devin dan Pier. It's way Sean Parker. Utah surged
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: from ninety sixth to sixth in offensive SMP plus last
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: season thanks to a brilliant marriage between Jason Beck and
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: quarterback Devin dan Pierre. We'll have to see if dan
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: Peer can create the same magic with Kevin mcgiven. But
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: in wy Sean Parker, the Utes have one of the
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: most well rounded backs in the country. If you can
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: carry a big workload and keep dan Pier from taking
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: too many hits, Utah will be a big twelve contender
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: once again. So ESPN says, wy Sean is just as,
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: if not more, important to Utah's success than Devin dam Pierre.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: I think they're just trying to like, not make it
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: a bunch of quarterbacks here because obviously Devin daan Pier
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: is gonna have slightly higher influence on whether or not
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: Utah wins or loses games than Wyshaun Parker, but no
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: doubt Wyshon Parker is one of the most important players
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: on Utah's football team this coming season.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 8: I think you're onto something there with who's not a
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 8: quarterback we could put here? Because even in the blurb
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 8: he starts out talking about Devin damp Pier.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 1: Most of the blurb is actually about the quarterback and
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: then they're like, but he's got a good running back
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: to help him out.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 8: Which is absolutely true, and Wasyshon Parker deserves to be
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 8: among the top forty just like Devin dan Pier probably does.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 8: So no qualms with the pick there by ESPN dot Com.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 8: So and obviously you know Archie Manning's on here. Eiland
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 8: Russell at Alabama is given the honor of being the
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 8: number one most important player.
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 1: Like there's there's an MVP or a series of MVPs
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: on every single team, and college football is going to
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: determine whether or not you're important to the overall game
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: based as much on where you play as how you play, right,
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: So asking for a friend, who who's the top buck
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: guy on this on this list? Here is it saying
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: there's no Buckeyes on the list. No Buckeyes on the list,
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: it's weird. It says Ohio State stinks and nobody likes them.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: That's a weird thing for them to put in an
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: ESPN blurper. No, it's Brandon Innis, wide receiver at Ohio State, right,
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: and this much like the way Shawn Parker blurp, here's
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: how it goes even against double coverage. Jeremiah Smith is
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: probably going to have a pretty good year. But if
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: I have stated is a properly dangerous number two wide
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 1: out last year was Carnell Tait and Max Clair they're
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  Speaker 1: both gone, then Smith could make a Heisman push. So,
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  Speaker 1: according to the the list, the number thirteen most important
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  Speaker 1: player in college football is Ohio State's number two wide
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  Speaker 1: receiver because they didn't want to be predictable and put
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State's number one wide receiver on the list.
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  Speaker 8: Or quarterback Julian saying, because again, let's try to think
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  Speaker 8: outside the quarterback the quarterback box there, okay, respect, do
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  Speaker 8: we have a let me let me try to guess
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  Speaker 8: mis is Michigan. Is Michigan the underwood or excuse me, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: is it? Is it the quarterback there? Or do we
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  Speaker 8: have creatively someone else interestingly enough? Or do you not
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  Speaker 8: see a Wolverine?
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  Speaker 1: I see no wolverines on the list.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, they're their most important player is new head coach
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  Speaker 8: Kyle whitting They're mostly.
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  Speaker 1: Their most important player is John Henry Day, who, by
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  Speaker 1: key players who are who have seemingly season ending injuries
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  Speaker 1: or long season into the season injuries. He's telling people
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  Speaker 1: that JHD should.
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  Speaker 8: Be available at the beginning of the season, which, again,
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  Speaker 8: to your point earlier, that's an unbelievable healing rate for
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  Speaker 8: someone who tore their achilles was it November?
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  Speaker 1: That is a quick recovery. But I really think we
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  Speaker 1: need to readjust our expectations on timelines because of what
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  Speaker 1: is available to players now legally or illegally, and we're
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  Speaker 1: going to assume legally guys are able to get themselves
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  Speaker 1: back in shape. There's just better stuff out there, better
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  Speaker 1: techniques for rehab out there, better food, better, and really,
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  Speaker 1: like I mean, guys my age are in this Wolverine
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  Speaker 1: stack on the peptide stuff and healing old injuries that
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  Speaker 1: no one is, no one even remembers they had, so
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine what those do in a young body.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not enough of an expert, and I'm not endorsing
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  Speaker 1: any of it. I'm just telling you, like the anecdotal
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  Speaker 1: stories you hear are outrageous. All Right, we're gonna take
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  Speaker 1: on your Home of the Utes. I asked the question
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  Speaker 1: yesterday about which position battle you're most intrigued by. We're
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  Speaker 1: maybe next week. But the University of Utah is marching
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  Speaker 1: coach Morgan Scalley. Idaho is here less than a week
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  Speaker 1: from or excuse me, less than a month from today.
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  Speaker 1: I wish it was less than a week from today,
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  Speaker 1: less than a month from today. And then it's Arkansas,
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  Speaker 1: and that it is Utah State and you're often rolling
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  Speaker 1: in conference play shortly after that, Devin dan Pier and company.
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  Speaker 1: We expect to have Devon on every single week for
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  Speaker 1: some distion with dev We're working at the details on
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  Speaker 1: the schedule with him, but we're gonna give you our
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  Speaker 1: best Utah football coverage throughout the season and what is
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 1: the most interesting Utah football season in a long time.
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 1: Not because Kyle Whittingham and those teams were not capable
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: of competing for championships and we didn't expect them to
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 1: compete for championships, or you know, the injury situation with
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: Cam Rising and the Brankeithy stuff kind of like took
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of luster off and but but the changing
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 1: of the guard represents kind of a new direction, not
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: only for the program itself, but for players who were
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 1: already in the program. That's one of the most interesting
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: things for me is there are gonna be some guys
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: who thrived under the more like rigid, professionalized a Kyle
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  Speaker 1: Whittingham system, and there's gonna be other guys who needed this,
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 1: who needed Morgan scally and needed for practice to be
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 1: incredibly difficult and a grind, but also having a little
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 1: bit of a reward, like there being a fun element
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 1: to it also, And that's something we've talked with players
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 1: about going all the way back to springball and even
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  Speaker 1: before then, where when it comes time to actually playing,
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  Speaker 1: it's not a game anymore, right, It's a business in
• 2:30:37
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  Speaker 1: go play juco ball. You go play D three ball.
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  Speaker 1: If you want it to be like your high school days,
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 1: you don't come to this level. Right, This is pro
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 1: sports now, but it doesn't have to feel like a
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  Speaker 1: weight that people are carrying around all the time, and
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 1: the responsibility of it doesn't have to be overly heavy.
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  Speaker 1: That's something that I'm really looking forward to watching with
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 1: this version of Utah football, guys having a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more freedom to And I'm not saying this to disparage
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  Speaker 1: the previous regime at all or the way that things
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 1: were done before, because they did their best, but just
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 1: the personality types. And we spent an hour talking about
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 1: well a good portion of the first hour talking about
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  Speaker 1: this with Gordy Chieza. That you get your first opportunity
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 1: to really put your stamp on something. You're not going
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 1: to make wholesale changes and veer away from what made
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 1: this program so successful for so long under the previous
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 1: head coach. But human nature is that when it's your home,
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 1: when it's your car, when it's your kid, when it's
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 1: your dog, you want it to reflect your priorities. And
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 1: that is that is going to be one of the
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 1: really interesting things to watch take shape with this Utah
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: football season, Morgan Scaley is cut from a very similar
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 1: cloth from a competitive standpoint, to Kyle Whittingham, to Kalani
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 1: Satake for that matter. But the individual flavor that Morgan
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 1: puts on it, we're not one hundred percent sure what
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 1: it looks like. Yet. He's already very different in his
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: interactions with the media than either of those guys that
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned, a lot different than Urban was when it
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  Speaker 1: was Urban's job, a lot different than Ron McBride when
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 1: it was Ron McBride's job. Probably most similar to Ron
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 1: McBride honestly from his communications style than any of those
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 1: other guys. But that's I mean. Obviously, the wins and
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: losses are the thing that matters, but the shape of
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  Speaker 1: Utah football under Morgan Scalley's thumb is going to be
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  Speaker 13: Wait wait, our notoriously cheap coworker pays over two hundred
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  Speaker 1: It is the luxury purchase of my life?
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  Speaker 13: Yes, is that the only thing you'll spend Like, what
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  Speaker 13: what will you actually drop money on?
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  Speaker 1: I'll spend money on a good suit, a well cut suitka,
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  Speaker 1: a good fitting suit, and on a good fragrance that
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  Speaker 1: I can't abide by that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 13: So now the suit conversation is interesting because you can, like,
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  Speaker 13: you can get a good fitting suit, you know, six
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  Speaker 13: seven hundred, six seven hundred dollars. Yeah, but I mean
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  Speaker 13: you can also get get wild with suits.
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  Speaker 1: You can get I don't go like all the way
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  Speaker 1: to the top end tom Ford in Vegas type stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's too much for me. I'm I'm cheap. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like there's a couple of places around town,
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  Speaker 1: some legacy suit fitters around here that are Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: a car payment to get as to get a suit.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, you going to like our friends at Shout Out
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  Speaker 1: Ready to get to. Yeah, that's a high end spot.
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  Speaker 2: What's the most you've ever paid for a suit?
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  Speaker 1: Twenty seven hundred dollars? Well, okay, all right, all right.
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  Speaker 13: I was gonna say that's about twenty five to three grand.
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  Speaker 1: That's about And you can big go up. You can
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  Speaker 1: get five or six thousand dollars suit. Oh keep going.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, you're like a twenty five thousand dollars suit if
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  Speaker 13: you make it really weird.
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  Speaker 1: This is not a joke. I once went to Vegas
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  Speaker 1: and he walked in and they greeted him by name,
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  Speaker 1: and he walked out with like a twenty five thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars suit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That that that'll happen.
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  Speaker 13: There's some places when I was kind of starting on
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  Speaker 13: my career, I was uneducated, unfamiliar with this process. There's
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  Speaker 13: a suit store in Westport, Connecticut. Oh yeah, okay, I
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  Speaker 13: walked in. Your boy Jim Nance is standing there. Oh, like,
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  Speaker 13: I think I'm out of my weight class here. And
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  Speaker 13: I was talking to the fitter. I told him I
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  Speaker 13: was looking for a nice gray suit. He's like, what
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  Speaker 13: are you willing to spend? I'm like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 13: four hundred dollars five. He's like, you're in You're in
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  Speaker 13: the wrong place, Like, hey, yea, like Men's warehouse is
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  Speaker 13: a mile that way.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is, so I like splurging on a suit,
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  Speaker 1: but I also there are some suits now I know
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  Speaker 1: that I can get off the rack that's gonna fit
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  Speaker 1: me almost like a custom suit does. They're just there
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  Speaker 1: are some clothiers that apparently they're anakins are shaped like me.
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  Speaker 2: So, so you know your measurements.
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  Speaker 1: I know my measurements.
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  Speaker 13: What will you absolutely not spend money on? Like, what's
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 13: everything else? Well, I mean like what's the one thing
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  Speaker 13: You're like, I'm going to bargain for this?
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  Speaker 2: Is there one thing? Or is just everything?
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 1: So this one is probably a hot take for me,
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  Speaker 1: for from me, for most people, I won't spend money
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  Speaker 1: a lot of money on hotels. Man, Yeah, it's just
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  Speaker 1: a bed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my brother's the very same way.
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  Speaker 1: If you are if you're doing vacation, right, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to stay at a motel six, right, but if
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  Speaker 1: there's like a Hilton Garden Inn that's fancier than I need. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in London, I'm in Dubai, I'm in whatever. I
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  Speaker 1: don't need a fancy hotel room. I don't need a
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  Speaker 1: fancy view, I don't need a heated pool, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't need anything. I just want a bed to sleep
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  Speaker 1: in because I'm here to experience what the town has
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  Speaker 1: to offer. It tries me crazy when I'm traveling with
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 1: certain people and they want the Grand America for the people,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, why what are you talking about? Why why
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  Speaker 1: do I need to why why do I need to
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 1: spend five hundred and eighty dollars to sleep in a bed?
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  Speaker 13: And you can get wilder than that if you want to, oh,
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 13: way wilder than that. That's like a yeah, but no,
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 13: you're you're right if you're actually going on vacation to
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  Speaker 13: experience where you're at.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, my brother's the very same way.
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  Speaker 13: Like, well, for a couple of years, I was commuting
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  Speaker 13: do you mean you don't know? He's like, I just
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  Speaker 13: I don't know. I need like abed to sleep in
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 13: because I've got meetings all day and I'm flying out
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  Speaker 13: like he will land without a hotel and just figure
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  Speaker 13: it out and just try to find a place to
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  Speaker 13: sleep so he can fly out the next day.
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  Speaker 2: It's very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I have a deep appreciation for that. I'm recently took
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  Speaker 1: my lovely wife to Wimbledon to London. We're probably the
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  Speaker 1: only people who have ever gotten out of the plane
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  Speaker 1: seat that we got out of and went to Wimbledon
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  Speaker 1: and in between stayed in a hotel that had like
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  Speaker 1: cigarette burns on the nightstand. You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: But you're just going to bed.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, yeah, deal with it.
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  Speaker 13: You wake up and you're gone. Yeah, No, I'm with
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  Speaker 13: you anyway, Elite Sense.
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  Speaker 2: Proud of you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Stay tuned for the drive, Thanks for listening
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  Speaker 1: to The Sean O'Connell Show. Will do it again tomorrow
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