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Trump and Epstein: What the New York Times Revealed About Their Real Relationship (Part 1) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. Look, I don't think it's any shock to
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anybody at this point that Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein
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were buddies and that they spent a lot of time
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together back in the day. That has all been well documented.
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And in a new article from the New York Times,
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they're talking about that relationship once again. And look, it
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doesn't make Donald Trump guilty, right, we have to make
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sure we're clear about that doesn't make him guilty of
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being involved in the crimes until we have evidence of that.
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If we ever have evidence of that, we can't run
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around and make things up. But for me, it's the
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enabling and of course that's not criminal at least not
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that we know of, unless there was something else going
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on behind the scenes, you know, money laundering, whatever. But
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what it is is morally despicable and it makes things
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so much worse for Donald Trump that he's the president,
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he knows he's in these files, and he did everything
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in his power to keep the information from the American public.
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And of course the reasoning is, well, there's national security
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interests on the line, there's an ongoing investigation, but do
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you really believe that if say it was flipped around
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and Obama was with Jeffrey Epstein all the time, Trump
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would have released the files on day one. Of course
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he would have. That's the kind of guy he is, right,
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The guy is petty and he holds a grudge, There's
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no doubt about it. But the fact is it was
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Donald Trump himself who was spending all this time with Epstein,
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and it was documented in pictures, it was documented at events.
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There's no running from that, and anybody who tries to
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deny it or downplay it is really just digging the
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hole deeper. You have to confront that kind of shit
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head on right, yep, this is a fact. They hung out,
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there were friends. What else happened? And that's where Trump
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really stepped in it. Everybody knew that they were friendly,
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but now that we're getting documented proof that that friendship
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went deeper, that leads to more sinister questions. What did
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he know? When did he know it? And was he
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ever around when anyone was being abused? And Donald Trump
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himself could have cleared all of this up by just
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releasing the files right away and speaking to the American
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public directly, Hey, look me and this dude were friends.
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Not exactly the greatest moment of my life, but I
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was never around when there was any abuse going on.
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Here's the proof. That's what a man with integrity and
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nothing to hide does. But what did Donald Trump do?
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He retreated right back to the bunker, and not only that,
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he set fire to the battlefield before he left, calling
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people traders, calling people stupid whatever. Meanwhile, the only one
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who looks stupid is Donald Trump and the people still
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defending him over this shit. And I'm certainly not somebody
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with Trump derangement syndrome. I don't think about the dude
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enough to even care that much, because at the end
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of the day, I understand that the president, Donald Trump
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or anybody else is just a symptom of a much
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bigger problem. So I don't spend all my time worrying
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about this dude. He's going to be gone soon. There'll
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be a new election and a new jerk off will
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take over. But we're not going to run from the
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fact that Donald Trump's the president right now and he's
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overseeing what I think is a gigantic cover up. So
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in this episode, we're going to talk a little bit
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more about the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump,
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as told by The New York Times and the headline
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Don's best Friend. How Epstein and Trump bonded over the
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pursuit of women. This article was authored by Nicholas Confessor
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and Julie Tait. Jeffrey Epstein was a terrific guy and
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a lot of fun to be with. He and Donald J.
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Trump also had no formal relationship. They went to a
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lot of the same parties, but they didn't socialize together.
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They were never really friends, just business acquaintances, or there
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was no relationship at all. I was not a fan
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of his. That's all I can tell you. Those are
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some of the things that Donald Trump has said about
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his obvious relationship with Epstein. And look again, I'm not
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gonna sit here and tell you that there's a bunch
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of criminality here that I can point to. But that's
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not the issue at hand, at least it's not when
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it comes to Donald Trump. It's the lie upon lie
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that he's told and how those lies have compounded and
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turned into a cover up. For nearly a quarter century,
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mister Trump and his representatives have offered shifting, often contradictory
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accounts of his relationship with mister Epstein, once sporadically captured
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by society photographers and in newsclips before they fell out
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sometime in the mid two thousands, closely scrutinized. Since mister
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Epstein died in a Manhattan Jael cell during mister Trump's
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first term, there are friendship in questions about what the
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president knew of mister Epstein's abuses now threatens to consume
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his second one. Yeah, look, there's no doubt about it.
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People can say whatever they want about the falling numbers
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of Donald Trump, but if you don't think that this
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played a gigantic part, you're crazy. And that's because a
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lot of the independents who supported Trump are abandoning ship.
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One of the main issues for independent voters was this
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issue specifically, and Donald Trump obviously has failed the test.
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The controversy has shaken mister Trump's iron hold on his
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base like no other. Loyal supporters have demanded to know
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why the administration has not moved more quickly to on
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earth the convicted sex offenders remaining secrets. In November, after
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resisting months of pressure to release more Epstein related documents
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held by the federal government and Facing an almost unheard
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of revolt among Republican lawmakers, mister Trump reversed himself, signing
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legislation that requires their release beginning this week. And we
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all know that we had to drag him there, kicking
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and screaming. He didn't want to do it on his own.
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In fact, he didn't do it on his own. If
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it wasn't for the discharge petition, they'd still be dogwalking
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this shit. Believe me, that was always the plan, dog
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walk this as long as possible. Mister Epstein had a
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talent for acquiring powerful friends, some of whom have become
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ensnared in the continuing scrutiny of his crimes for months.
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Mister Trump is labored furiously to shift himself out of
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the frame, dismissing questions about his relationationship with mister Epstein
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as a Democrat hoax and imploring his supporters to ignore
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the matter entirely, Like who does that? What kind of
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scoundrel tells people to ignore Jeffrey Epstein unless, of course,
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you're scared of something come into the surface. And to
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my opinion, there's a whole lot of fear of being
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shown by a whole lot of people an examination of
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their history by The New York Times has found no
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evidence implicating mister Trump in mister Epstein's abuse and trafficking
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of miners. Just like I've been telling you, we don't
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have that evidence. Now, I'm not saying it doesn't exist,
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but what I'm saying is that we've never seen it.
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There's no public documentation of anything like that occurring. But
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that's what they want you to focus on. I'm not
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going to focus on what they want. I'm going to
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focus on the fact that this is a cover up,
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and the fact that this was being covered up at all,
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for any instant, for any reason, is a gigantic crime
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in itself. So that's what needs to be focused on.
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And I've told you a million times, don't go after
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the shiny object, don't go after you know al Capone's
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murder spree. Go after his tax records. That's how you're
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going to get him. And the same goes for this situation.
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If we want true accountability, we have to be willing
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to kick in every single door. But the two men's
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relationship was both far closer and far more complex than
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the President now admits. Beginning in the late nineteen eighties,
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the two men forged the bond intense enough to leave
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others who knew them with the impression that they were
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each other as close as friends. The Times found mister
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Epstein was then a little known financier who cultivated mystery
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around the scope and source of his self made wealth.
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Mister Trump, six years older, was a real estate scion
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who relished publicity and exaggerated his successes. Neither man drank
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or did drugs. They pursued women in a game of
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ego and dominance. Female bodies were the currency. And if
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we're being honest, that whole entire era was filled with
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a bunch of degenerates, a whole bunch of hedonistic degenerates,
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especially in the financial sector. So there's no doubt that
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there was a bunch of debauchery taking place, and I
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have no doubt that Donald Trump was smack in the
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middle of it. Over nearly two decades, as mister Trump
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cut a swathe through the party circuits of New York
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and Florida, mister Epstein was perhaps his most reliable wingman.
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During the nineties and early two thousands, they prowled mister
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Epstein's Manhattan mansion and mister Trump's Plaza hotel, at least
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one of Trump's Atlantic City casinos, and both of their
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Palm Beach homes. They visited each other's offices and spoke
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often by phone, according to other former Epstein employees and
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women who spent time in his homes and look, Maria
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Farmer told us all about it, about the relationship between
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Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, and she said the same thing.
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She didn't see anything that was criminal at the time,
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but there's no doubt that the nexus and that relationship existed,
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and the fact that people still want to deny it's
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baffle to me. With other men, mister Apstein might discuss tax, shelters,
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international affairs, or neuroscience with mister Trump, he talked about sex.
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I just think it was, you know, trophy hunting. Stacy Williams,
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who rose to fame as a star of the Sports
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Illustrated Swimsuit edition during the nineties, set in an interview
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with The Times. In social media posts and interviews with
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news outlets in recent years, miss Williams has described how
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Trump groped her in nineteen ninety three at Trump Tower
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while mister Apstein, whom she was then dating, watched I
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think Jeffrey liked that he had the sports illustrated model
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who had this name, and that Trump was pursuing me,
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she said. Mister Trump has denied her account. Of course
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he has. Has he ever admitted anything to shed light
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on their friendship. The Times interviewed more than thirty former
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Epstein employees, victims of his abuse, and others who crossed
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paths with the two men over the years. The Times
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also obtained new documents that illuminate their relationship, and scoured
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core documents and other public records. Many of the people
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interviewed by The Times asked to share their stories anonymously,
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saying they feared for their safety at the hands of
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supporters of mister Trump. A president who has deployed the
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might of the federal government to target and punish his
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political opponents. And we've seen it time and time again.
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Donald Trump has no problem going after people, and I
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wouldn't have any doubt of him going after the survivors
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if it served as purpose. I mean, hell, even myself,
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I'm making sure that all my shit's on the up
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and up, my tax returns are right. Everything. The last
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thing you want to do is give somebody like Donald
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Trump and the federal government any inroads to give you
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a colonoscopy. Some Epstein victims have already received death threats
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for demanding a full accounting of the government's investigation, according
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to a statement released by more than two dozen of
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them last month. Yo, let me just go on the record.
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If you're threatening survivors, you're a bitch Assma, You are
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a straight up coward, a clown, and your parents should
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be slapped in the face for birthing you. Who attacks survivors,
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bro in what defense of Donald Trump's bitch ass who
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doesn't care about you one single bit, who's ready to
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send your kids off to war in Venezuela. Oh yeah,
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that's the guy that you should be going crazy over.
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That's the guy you should be threatening people for. And
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if that's you, my advice is this, wake the fuck
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up before you get woke up. Over the years, mister
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Epstein or his partner Glenn Maxwell, introduced at least six
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women who have accused them of grooming or abuse to
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mister Trump, according to interviews, core testimony, and other records.
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One was a miner at the time. None of accused
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mister Trump himself of inappropriate behavior, and it's important to
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point that out. I think it's very important to point
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that out. People are getting way ahead of themselves saying
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Trump was part of the actual trafficking, etc. You gotta
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be careful because what you do is you give the
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other side, the side of the babler's the side of
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the protector's ammunition. Oh look, it's all about Trump. It's
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all about this, all about that. Now. I'm not saying
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to shy away from actual evidence, lean into that shit,
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but shy away from the nonsense. Shy away from the
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things that are going to hurt the overall investigation, because
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at the end of the day, none of that stuff
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even matters. Do you think the survivors care about that? Bs,
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What do you think they care about this? Moving forward
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and full transparency. One of the women, who has never
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spoken publicly about the experience, told The Times that mister
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Epstein had coerced her into attending four parties at mister
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Epstein's home. Mister Trump attended all four, the woman said.
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At two of them, she said, mister Epstein directed her
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to have sex with other male guests. So, according to
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that woman's account, Donald Trump was at this house when
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she was being trafficked to other people. Now, is that
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a crime? I don't know. Certainly a gray area, certainly
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not the kind of place that you want to find
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the president inhabiting, and certainly not morally acceptable, no matter
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how you chop it. In an email among those released
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by Congress in November, mister Epstein boasted that he gave
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mister Trump a twenty year old woman whom mister Epstein
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dated in the nineties. During a flight together in the
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early nineteen nineties, mister Trump came on to another Epstein
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employee traveling with them, telling her that he could have
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anyone he wanted. According to a different Epstein worker who
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learned of the incident, a separate Epstein employee from the
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era recalled that mister Trump would occasionally send over modeling
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cards for mister Epstein to peruse, like a menu. And
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there's a lot of people that have cooperated that. We've
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heard that from many, many sources. It's not just the
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New York Times that's blowing that out of the water.
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We've heard that previously. Mister Epstein, who claimed he required
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orgasms three times a day, exploited or abused hundreds of
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women and girls before dying in what was ruled a
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suicide thousands. You would think that all this investigation that
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the New York Times did, they know the truth thousands
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of women. And that's not hyperbole. I'm talking about globally, right,
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not just America. I'm talking about South America, Central America, Europe, Asia,
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and wherever the fuck else this egg dict Wirdo ended
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up going. If you think this dude wasn't abusing people
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everywhere he went, you're crazy. Mister Trump does not stand
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accused of sexually abusing a minor, but over the course
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of his friendship with mister Epstein and beyond, he left
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a trail of alleged abuse and assault, many details of
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which began to surface publicly during his successful twenty sixteen
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presidential run. Close to twenty women have publicly accused mister
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Trump of groping, forcibly kissing, or sexually assaulting them, behavior
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that he once bragged he could get away with because
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of his celebrity, but later denied ever engaging in. In
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twenty twenty three, the writer E. Gene Carroll one of
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five million dollars civil judgment against mister Trump for sexual
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abuse and defamation. So look, those are the facts. Right.
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You can dispute the case. You can dispute what the
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jury or judge found, but that's on the record, man.
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And all these other accounts. We have to understand that
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there is an environment, a political environment, and you have
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to be very cautious about what you're accepting and what
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you're not accepting. But to think that there wasn't any
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evidence whatsoever from any of those women, that's just not true. Now,
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of course, that doesn't make Donald Trump guilty of the
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kind of crimes Epstein was involved in, but it certainly
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makes him a fellow traveler. In response to a detailed
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list of questions from the Times, the White House Press
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Secretary Carolyn Levitt issued a statement, This fake news story,
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which is not worth the paper that it's printed on,
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is just another stale regurgitation of decades old false allegations
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against President Trump. The truth will remain the same no
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matter how many times The New York Times tries to
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change it. President Trump did nothing wrong, and he kick
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Jeffrey Epstein out of mar A Lago for being a creep. Well, yeah,
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but not until you let Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell
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recruit Virginia to go and be abused. Let's not forget
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that part, Carolyn Levitt. And again, this is where people
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are missing the boat. Quit focusing on what Epstein and
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Trump might have been doing together. We don't have the
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evidence of that. You know, we have evidence of a
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fucking cover up. Focus on that. And it's no different
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than during that whole Russiagate nonsense. I told everybody, if
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you really wanted to find something of substance, you need
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to go after the concrete companies that Trump was in
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business with at the time, and that's because they were
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all run by the mafia. But instead everybody wanted to
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chase salacious bullshit, you know, the pe on the bed story,
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the salacious stuff that you can't prove. And I think
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a lot of people are falling into that same trap
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here because there is obviously a cover up under away,
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and I think that if we continue to focus on that,
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it's going to become apparent to anybody who's paying attention
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that that's exactly what's going on. And I think that
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if people want to see real change here, they want
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to see real action, they want to see people held accountable,
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will focus on the cover up. It's unclear what new
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information may emerge under the new law passed by Congress.
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The statute allows the Trump administration to withhold records that
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identify victims, including images of child sexual abuse, or documents
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that are otherwise classified. His appointees can also hold back
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records that could jeopardize an active federal investigation, such as
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a new inquiry ordered by mister Trump into Democrats associated
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with mister Epstein. In a statement in late November, a
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group of Epstein accusers wrote, other than redacting victim names,
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we want the files disclosed, and I've heard that directly
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from survivors themselves. That's what they want. They want complete
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transparency here. They want the files to be released, and
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they want accountability. Is that too much to ask, especially
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after you've been abused and discarded the way these women
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have been for all these years. They're just asking for
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a fair shake, And if an anybody's ever deserved a
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little bit of fairness, it's these women. Mister Trump is
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denied knowing of mister Epstein's abuse of underage girls, but
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in a tratch of emails or released in November, mister
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Epstein suggested otherwise. In a twenty nineteen message to the
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journalist Michael Wolfe, He wrote of mister Trump, of course
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he knew about the girls, as he asked Elane to stop,
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the full context of mister Epstein's remark is unclear. In
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a twenty ten deposition, mister Epstein was asked if he
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had ever socialized with mister Trump with girls under eighteen,
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as he did more than three dozen times. During the deposition,
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mister Epstein invoked his constitutional right not to answer. Though
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I'd like to answer that question at least today, I'm
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going to have to assert my fifth, sixth and fourteenth
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Amendment rights, sir, he replied. All right, folks, we're going
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to wrap up episode one right here, and in the
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next episode we're going to pick up where we left off.
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