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Mike Benz (2026) - Intelligence Networks, Covert Finance and the Epstein Files · The Joe Rogan Recap

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  Today we aren't just recapping an episode, we are essentially
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  performing an autopsy on the last 60 years of American power.
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  We're looking at Joe Rogan experience #2447 featuring Mike
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  Benz. And the context here is just,
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  it's everything. I mean, it's February 2026 and
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  the news is completely melting down over the release of 3.5
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  million internal files from the Justice Department and the FBI.
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  The so-called Epstein hack. Right.
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  Which, as we'll get into, wasn't exactly a guy in a hoodie
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  breaking into a server. Not at all.
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  It's part of this bigger wave. I mean, you have to remember
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  just last year in 2025, we got that final dump of the JFK
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  files, the thing Tulsi Gabbard was pushing for.
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  And now this. And Mike Benz walks into Rogan's
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  studio with this. I can only call it Kidney Candy
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  Shop Energy. It's amazing, isn't it, for such
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  dark subject matter, But for him, it's a massive victory.
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  He basically lays out what he calls a unified field theory
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  that connects the CIA, the mob, global finance and Jeffrey
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  Epstein. All in A1 single story.
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  One single continuous operational history, and that's
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  really the main take away from the start, Ben says.
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  We mess up when we see these as separate scandals.
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  He's like you can't get Epstein if you don't get the CI as
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  budget problems in the 70s. Or the censorship stuff to
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  without understanding the drug wars of the 80s.
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  It's all one machine. That's the argument.
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  So, OK, let's get into that machine.
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  Ben starts with this idea of the sticky layer.
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  I think for most of us the image of Epstein is just, you know, a
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  pervert on an island. Yeah, a rich guy with powerful
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  friends. But Bren says no, that's not
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  what he was. He was a professional fixer.
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  And what does that mean exactly? A fixer?
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  It sounds like a movie character.
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  Well, he defines it as a geopolitical necessity.
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  He describes this sticky layer as the Gray zone between
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  official government bodies like the State Department or the
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  Pentagon, and the private sector.
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  Why does that layer even need to?
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  Exist a law, plain and simple. There are things the US
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  government wants to do, you know, strategically fund some
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  rebels, build a pipeline somewhere they shouldn't be.
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  But. They can't do it legally.
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  Exactly, Congress might have banned it or it would just cause
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  a huge diplomatic mess if the US flag was officially on the
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  operation. So you need a cut out.
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  A middleman. Precisely someone who looks like
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  a private businessman but is really taking orders.
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  Benz puts Epstein in the same category as guys like Bruce
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  Rappaport or Adnan Khashoggi. The Saudi arms dealer, right?
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  He was supposed to be the richest man in the world at
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  1:00. Point the arms dealer to the
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  world. Yeah, and Benz's point is
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  Khashoggi didn't get that rich just by being a great salesman.
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  He got rich because he was the funnel.
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  He was the guy the US government used to move weapons to people
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  they couldn't officially be seen talking to.
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  And Epstein is that same archetype just for finance.
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  Yes, that's the argument. He wasn't just a hedge fund guy
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  who knew some spies. He was a creature of the
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  intelligence state, built to solve problems that couldn't be
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  solved on the books. Which brings us to the biggest
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  question of all, the one that never made sense.
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  The money. Where did the billions come
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  from? Because his trading record is
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  murky at best. It's basically non existent.
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  And this is where Benz brings up what he calls the mother of all
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  scandals. He says follow the money, but he
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  takes us all the way back to the 1970s and a bank called BCCI.
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  Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
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  Or as the spies called it, the Bank of crooks and criminals
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  International. Yes, got you.
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  And very accurate. Benz explains that BCCI wasn't
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  just, you know, a little corrupt.
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  It was basically a global utility for intelligence
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  agencies. It was the washing machine.
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  So when the CIA needed to send money to, say, the Mujahideen in
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  Afghanistan? They weren't writing a check
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  from the US Treasury. They were using BCCI to launder
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  the funds. This is the whole Charlie
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  Wilson's war period. We're talking billions of
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  dollars moving through these totally opaque channels.
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  OK, so connect the dots. How does a kid from Brooklyn,
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  Jeffrey Epstein, get tangled up in a global intelligence money
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  laundering operation? The timeline is everything, Benz
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  points out. Epstein lands his first big job
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  at Bear Stearns in 1976. That year is critical.
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  Why? Because it's right after the
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  church committee hearings. We.
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  Should probably pause on that because that seems really
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  important. It's vital.
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  In the mid 70's the Senate finally opened the books on the
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  CIA. They found everything.
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  Assassinations, domestic spying, mind control, the whole 9 yards.
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  And the result was that Congress clamped down hard.
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  They put new rules on what the CIA could do.
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  And more importantly, how they could spend their money.
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  So the CIA still wanted to run these operations, but they'd
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  lost their official checkbook. They needed off the books
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  mechanisms. And Bear Stearns becomes one of
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  those mechanisms. Benz argues it became a primary
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  clearinghouse for BCCI trades. Now clearinghouse.
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  Sounds boring, right? Like paperwork, but in covert
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  finance. The clearing house is the
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  checkpoint. It's the plumbing.
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  And Epstein is the plumber. He's the guy watching the pipes
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  and think about it. Epstein has almost no
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  qualifications, but suddenly he's dating the daughter of the
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  CEO Ace Greenberg. He gets put on the most
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  sensitive accounts and Ben specifically links him to an
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  entity called Capcom. I have to assume that's not the
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  company that made Street Fighter.
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  Definitely not, no. In this world, Capcom was a
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  front, a Saudi intelligence entity inside the BCCI network,
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  and Benz's allegation based on these new files is that Epstein
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  was clearing their trades. So he was moving the money.
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  He was moving the money for the drugs, for cash, for guns
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  pipeline that really defined the whole Iran Contra era.
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  So when you ask how did he make his money, Benz's answer is he
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  took a tiny slice of the intelligence community's black
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  budget. He was a service provider.
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  A cog. Very well paid cog and that
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  right there that explains the protection.
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  You don't just arrest the guy who knows where all the secret
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  money is buried. Which is a perfect lead in to
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  Benz's Jenga tower metaphor. This is how he explains why
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  Epstein never went to jail for so long.
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  It's a fantastic legal point, he says.
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  The immunity wasn't just about bribes or, you know, blackmail.
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  It was about discovery. In a court case.
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  Right. In the US legal system, if
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  you're prosecuted, you have the right to demand documents
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  relevant to your defense. So if your defense is I was
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  working for the CIA. Then you get to demand all the
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  CIA's documents about you. Exactly.
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  And Ben's points to those 2025 JFK files to show this isn't a
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  theory. He brings up the case of a guy
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  named Rolando Massfir. Tell.
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  Me about that. Mass Fur was a Cuban exile
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  leader, basically a warlord running raids on Castro.
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  The DOJ had him dead to rights on violating the Neutrality Act.
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  It was an open and shut case, but the CIA stepped in.
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  And told the DOJ to back off. They blocked the prosecution.
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  They said it would cause massive damage to agency operations.
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  Benz argues this is the absolute blueprint for Epstein.
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  The reason the cops were told to stand down wasn't just that he
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  was rich, it was because a real trial would expose the entire
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  machine. You pull out the Epstein Django
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  block and the whole tower comes down with.
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  It the whole tower and he reminds us this isn't new.
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  He talks about Operation Underworld, Operation Mongoose.
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  Operation Underworld sounds like a movie.
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  It does, but it was real. During World War Two, US Naval
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  Intelligence made a deal with the Mafia with Lucky Luciano to
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  protect the New York docks. They let a mob boss out of
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  prison to help win the war. The state criminal partnership
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  is standard procedure. OK, we have to talk about the
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  island, the honey trap, the girls, because everyone knows
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  that part of the story, but Ben's has a very different take
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  on it. He really does.
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  He moves away from the simple blackmail theory.
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  You mean the idea of I have a video of you now you have to do
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  what I say? Yeah, he thinks that's too
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  crude, too transactional. He calls it Girls juice deals.
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  What does that even mean? Juice deals.
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  He argues the women, the underage girls, they were a form
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  of currency. It wasn't about threatening
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  someone, it was about bonding, creating an environment of
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  shared transgression where powerful men are made to feel
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  like gods. So it's more psychological.
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  It's about making them indebted. You take some boring bureaucrat,
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  you fly him to a private island where the normal rules don't
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  apply, and he becomes addicted to that access.
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  He'll sign the deal, approve the sale just to get invited back to
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  the party. You compare it to the Dincorp
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  scandal. Right.
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  Dincorp was a huge defense contractor, and there were all
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  these reports about their employees trafficking women in
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  the Balkans to smooth over relations with local officials.
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  Ben sees Epstein as the private sector version of that.
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  He was lubricating the Gears of finance and diplomacy.
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  So this is all a really compelling theory, but is there
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  a smoking gun? Is there one document that ties
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  Epstein directly to the agency he.
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  Claims there is, and it's buried in a FOIA response from 2011.
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  OK, walk me through this because it's it's a bit technical but it
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  seems really important. It is so, in 2011, one of
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  Epstein's lawyers files a Freedom of Information Act
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  request with the CIA for any files they have on him.
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  Now if I did that for my neighbor, what would they say?
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  They. 'D say we searched our files, no
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  records found. End of story.
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  Because they don't keep files on random private citizens, but.
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  That's not what they said about Epstein.
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  No, they gave what's known as a Glomar response.
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  They said regarding any open records we have nothing, but
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  regarding classified records we can neither confirm nor deny
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  their existence. Neither confirm nor deny.
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  Fen says. That's it.
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  That's the smoking gun. You don't use that specific
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  legal phrase, that national security privilege for a random
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  citizen. You only use it if acknowledging
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  the records even exist would harm national security.
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  Which implies he had a classified relationship with the
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  CIA. That's Benz's conclusion, and
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  that's why he's calling for Congress to pass a Jeffrey
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  Epstein records collection act, just like the JFK one, to force
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  them to declassify those specific files.
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  Wow. OK, so if the deep dive ended
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  right there, that would be enough.
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  But then Ben's pivots and this is where it gets really urgent.
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  Yeah, the modern shift, he basically says.
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  We're all still focused on the drug trade model from the 80s,
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  but the game has completely changed.
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  What's the new model? Climate Finance.
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  Wait, what? How do you get from cocaine to
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  carbon credits? It's all about moving massive
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  amounts of value off the books. In the 80s, drugs were the best
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  way to do that. Today, Ben's argues you can move
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  trillions through government mandates, carbon credits, ESG
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  scores, green energy subsidies. So instead smuggling cash, you
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  just lobby for a policy that funnels tax money where you want
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  it to go. Exactly.
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  It's clean, it's legal, and the scale is infinitely bigger.
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  He points to things like 15 minute cities or the mileage
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  taxes being proposed in the UK and California.
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  Most people see that as environmental policy.
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  Ben's sees it as a surveillance and revenue grid.
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  If the government can track every mile you drive and tax it
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  in real time based on your carbon budget, that's a level of
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  control that makes old school black male look quaint.
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  And censorship is part of that because he's known for his work
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  on the censorship industrial complex.
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  He sees it as the immune system for this new model.
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  If you're going to re engineer the whole economy, you can't
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  have people asking awkward questions.
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  So you build a system like the Global Disinformation Index to
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  de platform and demonetize anyone who steps out of line.
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  You don't need a heart attack gun if you can just shut down
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  someone's bank account. It's a soft kill, but just as
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  effective. Listening to all this, it's it's
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  easy to get pretty cynical, yeah.
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  To feel like the whole thing is rigged.
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  It is. And yet Ben's ends on this
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  weirdly optimistic note. He goes back to the Jenga Tower
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  one last time. The Tower of Lies.
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  He says for the first time in history, because of the Internet
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  and these leaks, we can actually see the foundational blocks of
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  the tower. The official stories aren't
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  holding up anymore. We can check the receipts.
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  And when you pull out the foundation.
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  The whole tower of BS built on top just collapses on its own,
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  but there's a warning. There's a deadline.
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  A deadline. He says that censorship grid is
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  being built right now specifically to stop us from
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  pulling out any more blocks. So his final message was don't
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  get black pilled. Enjoy the ride, but demand the
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  files. It's a call to action then.
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  Absolutely, he thinks. If the public demands these
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  records, we can actually force a reset.
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  It does leave you with one big question, though.
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  If Epstein was the fixer for that last era, for the era of
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  drugs and oil pipelines, who's the Epstein of today?
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  That is the question, isn't it? Who is operating that sticky
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  layer right now? They probably don't look like a
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  mobster. They might look like a tech
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  philanthropist or, you know, a climate activist.
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  But someone is greasing the wheels for the things we won't
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  read about until the leaks of 2050.
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  That's a thought that is definitely going to stick with
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  me. As it should, but at least now
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  we have a better idea of what patterns to look for.