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45. How You Can Have a Fulfilling Job and Life with Mac Prichard · WOC and Allies: Business and Career Realtalk with Elaine Lou Cartas

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  SPEAKER_01: Are you not fulfilled in your job?
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  SPEAKER_01: And are you finding your job also affecting your personal life from your relationships and health, both physically and mentally?
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: And hey, I've been there prior to my coaching business.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: Here are some job failures I've had.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: I've been fired three times.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: I quit two jobs and I lost a job without any savings.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: And with those failures and mistakes, I've also had successes prior to having my own business.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Those mistakes and failures actually helped me realize I need to change new industries.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I successfully changed into a new industry from politics to the nonprofit sector and increased my salary by 34%.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: And prior to having my coaching business, you see now, I did have my dream job.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: I had my own office, an amazing boss that I consider a mentor, who is still to this day a mentor and friend, and a beautiful team I got to work with.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, as a business and career coach, I help my clients do the same to find a new job that aligns them for creating and scaling their own businesses.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in this episode, I'm joined by Mac Pritchard, founder of Max List, a job board for the Pacific Northwest.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: And this is actually a repurposed episode from his own podcast, Find Your Dream Job.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll be sharing tips on how you can find a fulfilling job in life.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: And these are tips and strategies that have helped me and my 500 plus clients in 24 different countries.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: So let's drop the beat.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: So expect me and my guests to have some conscious conversations with you on creating intentional direction and sustainable strategies so that you can create an aligned team, career, business, and life.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: Don't worry, I'm not gonna give you a one-size-fits-all prescription.
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  SPEAKER_01: You'll learn how to define your own holistic leadership so you can prioritize a life led by fulfillment and self-trust.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, grab your coffee, tea, or boba, and let all your dreams to lead your legacy.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_00: This is Find Your Dream Job, the podcast that helps you get hired, have the career you want, and make a difference in life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Mac Pritchard.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm also the founder of Max List.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a job born in the Pacific Northwest that helps you find a fulfilling career.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: Every Wednesday, I talk to a different expert about the tools you need to get the work you want.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: Find Your Dream Job is brought to you by Top Resume.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: Top Resumes help more than 400,000 professionals plan more interviews and get hired faster.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: Get a free review of your resume today.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: Go to maxlist.org slash top resume.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Do you feel uncertain about your career, question your value at work, or experience low self-esteem?
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: Our guest today says these could be signs of an identity crisis.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: And it may be time to revisit how your work matches your goals and your values.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: Elaine Lou Cardis is here to talk about how to realign your career with what you want in life.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's a speaker, podcaster, and coach who works with women of color and allies.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Elaine joins us from Los Angeles, California.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's jump right into it, Elaine.
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  SPEAKER_00: What does an identity crisis look like when your career and your personal life aren't aligned?
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's two things.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: One is right now as a recording, it's the end of January 2023, and it could be external where maybe you got laid off.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: Facebook announced laying off 11,000 people, Google 12,000, Microsoft 10,000.
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  SPEAKER_01: So maybe you're an identity crisis of I just got laid off.
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  SPEAKER_01: What am I gonna do?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or it could be internal where you're acknowledging and realizing, oh, I'm not happy here, or I don't think I'm being treated right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or I'm doing more than my job description.
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  SPEAKER_01: I should be probably getting paid more.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: So it's knowing that something is in flux, whether it is external, or you're acknowledging it internally for yourself.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: And uh you mentioned external events like layoffs.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um has the COVID-19 pandemic also played a part here in causing a mismatch between careers and personal lives?
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: It absolutely has.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I wouldn't say that is a negative thing.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: What I've noticed with my clients I've worked with, what were 2023, almost three years in, where we were stuck in four walls, the same walls.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: And we couldn't distract ourselves with dropping off our kids to soccer practice to being busy, where we actually had to sit down and realize, do I even enjoy this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or is this fitting my personal needs?
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: This is why the great resignation has happened.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why not only are people being laid off, but people are also choosing to leave careers and industries that they've been a part of for years.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, yes, COVID has played a huge factor, not in a negative way, but yes, negatively through layoffs, but also in a people having agency and choice to redirect and realign themselves to what's important to them.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: When you you've you want to pursue a fulfilling career, but paying the bills also matters.
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  SPEAKER_00: How do you strike a balance there, Elaine, between financial stability and the desire to have the best career possible?
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  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I know people may grow up culturally or they were taught just to go for your passions.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: The reality is that we do live in a capitalistic society.
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  SPEAKER_01: We do have to pay for bills.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some of you may be taking care of your own parents who are aging, some of you may have kids that you have to take care of.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: So there is an importance of striking the balance between getting paid what you need to pay for bills and also what you want with a job.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: So striking that is being willing to have those conversations.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: I know when this podcast episode is going to be coming out in mid-February, people are starting to have the annual review conversations.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the best time to have conversations of if you want to get that raise.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: So that is one, or two, starting to look, doing informational interviews of other jobs you might be interested in wanting to pursue that do meet the requirement of salary in order to pay for bills and also not just pay for bills, but maybe you want to go travel with your family once a year or once a quarter.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: You've got some tips about how to strike this balance and deal with an identity crisis.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um before we jump into those, I wanted to ask you you were talking about external events um like a layoff or the COVID-19 pandemic.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when I think about when someone starts a job, they're always excited about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh obviously they they they wouldn't say yes unless they were.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: So uh when does uh you see these kinds of identity crises happen?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it um uh typically in a the second, third, or fourth year in a position?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or does it or uh or is there even a cycle you can point to?
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's interesting you're giving the numbers too.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: Around two years, I've noticed with my clients that they're realizing that, oh, I'm not happy here.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's when I notice it.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: And what do you think is special about the two-year mark?
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  SPEAKER_01: Within two years, you're starting to get into the groove of things, the patterns and the rhythms of doing your day-to-day and the visionary things.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: And when my clients start sharing with me their frustrations, what's interesting is I ask them, well, have you shared that frustration with example is that the systems are outdated?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like the tech, there's no chat, everything is communicated via email.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: Have you communicated that?
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they know everybody's upset.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: Have you tried to do it in a solutions-based area?
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: We did, but nothing changed.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: So it's usually people acknowledging and realizing the culture, the systems that are happening in the company.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: They have asked questions and nothing has changed.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: Where two years it's it's like people are thinking, I don't think I could keep going on and doing this.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's talk about what to do when you reach that stage.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you've got some ideas about how you can bring your career and your personal life into alignment.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: And and the first one is you recommend doing a personal audit.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: Tell us more about this, Elaine.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: What does that look like?
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so don't worry, this is not just like a financial spreadsheet audit for those folks that aren't so excited about numbers, but numbers could be a part of it.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: So, a methodology I like using is the life balance wheel.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: So think of a circle, a pie.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: And this methodology was created by Paul J.
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  SPEAKER_01: Meyer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in that pie, there's different slices of your life.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: And you could choose what slices there are, but I'll give some examples.
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  SPEAKER_01: Health, romantic relationships, another slice, money could be another slice, recreation's another slice, friends, family, personal growth, career.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: So within that, within that pie and the different slices, I want you to number one to ten, ten being the highest of, you know, I'm really great in my health.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: I work out five times a week, I feel very energetic, but romantic relationships, I haven't dated in three years.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'll give that a two.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when you look at this whole wheel of your life, and remember you get to define what slices are in it, then you could see, these are low points.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is this actually really important for me to try to improve?
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  SPEAKER_01: And from there, you could see how is your career matching the other parts of your life.
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  SPEAKER_01: For example, let's say family is a six out of a 10, but you know deep down family is really important to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have two daughters, you want to spend time with your partner, but it's six out of ten.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you're acknowledging it's because I'm working late hours when my kids come back from school, I'm trying to be present during dinner, but I'm checking my phone and acknowledging that.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe there's a shift that's happened to my client where, you know, one of my goals for a job I want to look for, yes, to help pay for the bills, but also I want to be able to walk my daughter to school every day.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: I want to be able to pick her up every day.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you get to define that.
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  SPEAKER_01: What's important for you in your life when you measure that?
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then you can start creating goals and intentions from looking at that pie, that life pie, and start making steps towards the goals you want to create.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: Hold that idea.
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  SPEAKER_00: When I want to take a quick break, Elaine.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when we come back, I want to talk more about the components of that wheel and uh your best advice about how to measure how you're doing in each of those areas.
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  SPEAKER_00: So stay with us.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: When we return, Elaine Lou Cartis will continue to share her advice on how to realign your career with your life during an identity crisis.
• 13:24
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• 13:28
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• 13:30
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• 13:34
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• 13:38
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• 13:45
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, let's get back to the show.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: We're back in the Max List studio.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm talking with Elaine Lou Cardis.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's a speaker, podcaster, and coach who works with women of color and allies.
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  SPEAKER_00: Elaine joins us from Los Angeles, California.
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  SPEAKER_00: Elaine, before the break, we were talking about how to realign your life with a new career during an identity crisis.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you uh in the first segment talked about doing an audit, a personal audit, and using a wheel with different categories and measuring how you were doing, not what you wanted to uh the life you wanted, but how you were doing in in a kind of current state.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: Can you just tell us more about the most important categories of that wheel and how to be honest with yourself about how you're doing?
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  SPEAKER_01: So I want to remind everyone, this is your wheel.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not the wheel your parents told you to create, it's not the wheel that you are pressured from society to create.
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  SPEAKER_01: You get to choose that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And also acknowledging that this is the wheel you're creating at this current present time in your life.
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  SPEAKER_01: For example, I I work with a lot of clients in their mid-30s and later, and so often they compare themselves to their 20s.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, in my 20s, I had so much energy.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: I was able to wake up at 4:30 in the morning and I was able to work 12 to 18 hours, but now I can't do that, and I just don't have time.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: I have kids now, I have a partner.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I just want everyone to remember that we evolve as humans.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: Our priorities shift, or maybe something drastic has happened to your life.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you found out that one of your parents is ill and you want to spend more time with them.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: Go with them to the doctor's office, and that's okay.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: We change.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you get to decide what's important to you.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, let's go to the example with your parents being ill.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe family is a 10 for you right now.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you have a personal goal where you want to get a down payment for a new home by the end of the year.
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  SPEAKER_01: So money is going to be important to you.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Making sure you have a job that matches gives you the money you need so you could start saving money for that.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe you're acknowledging relationships are important and you want to work at a company where you get off early at 5 p.m.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: So you could spend time with your friends, your partner, your family.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: So I just want to remind people you get to define that and be very intentional.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: So when you are creating this life wheel, maybe get outside of your office, go to a coffee shop, go to a park, a journal, and making sure that you are defining what's important to you.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: So the the first step is look at where you are now.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then your second step, which you've you you've touched on, is to ask yourself the life you want to create, where you want to go.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Tell us more about that, Elaine, and how did you help your clients do that?
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: So the life you want to create and where you want to go.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: So when I work with my clients, we I help them identify what are your three goals in life, including your career.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: And because I work with such ambitious, career-driven women of color and allies, all of them tends to be career-oriented.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I have to remind them, okay, one of them needs to be personal.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the reason why I say three is because our human mind, it's actually brain science.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: We remember things in three.
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  SPEAKER_01: So think about it: red, yellow, green, tic-tac-toe, ready, set, go, even phone numbers are in threes and fours.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: So identifying what those three goals are, one of them having to be personal.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the other two, maybe like for example, one of my clients was, I want to be making six figures.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: And a second one was, I want to be in an innovative culture.
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  SPEAKER_01: So identifying those three and then seeing, is my current career aligning with that?
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: And if not, what can I do to shift and change that?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: So it may not be having to change careers.
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  SPEAKER_01: It might be as simple as, I need to have a conversation with my supervisor.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's really important to me that I'm more innovative.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Can we talk about how I could start doing that more?
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: Or here are some ideas that I have.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe you do have that goal and just the culture of the company doesn't allow you to be innovative, then it's starting to, I know we're going to be talking about it later in the podcast, starting to do informational interviews with other companies or people that you know of that have that ability to be more creative.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's talk about that because that's your third recommended step to bring your career and life into alignment.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's to test your ideas where you want to go and what you want with others.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: And you mentioned in informational interviews.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: Elaine, um, how can informational interviews help you test those goals?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, are there other things you should be doing besides having these conversations?
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: So for those avid listeners in your podcasts, you've probably heard about informational interviews from other episodes, because I have listening to this podcast.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: And informational interviews does two things.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: One, internally for you, I like comparing informational interviews to dating, right?
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: You're dating around to see what type of job or industry that you might be interested in.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: And similar to what I've shared in the whole podcast episode, you get to decide that.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: So, for example, I had a client who was a chemist and was interested in either staying in chemistry or possibly going into sales.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: And he started doing informational interviews with different people within his industry, outside of his industry.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: And because he was able to converse and connect with other people, he started getting in gaining industry knowledge as well as trying to understand how he has transferable skills from one industry to another.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: From that conversate, from all the conversations he's had, he was able to update his LinkedIn that a recruiter approached him.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: And he went from 60K being a chemist to now making 150K as a sales rep.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: So that was because he was able to connect with other people and understand the lingo from these different industries.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: So that is one thing.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I mean by internally.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: You're you're dating to test it out.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: A second thing informational interviews do is externally, where you're connecting with other people, really interested in getting to know the industries or companies or the skill set that they've gained, so that you are networking and you are putting your name out there.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: So that when they're connecting with a colleague or a friend, and someone says, Hey, there's this marketing position that's available.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know anyone?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: They remember you.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I know a lot of clients get stuck mentally where, oh, I just I don't want to waste their time, or I just don't know if I should.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to remind people this is what we do as humans in general.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: So think of it it's like maybe your hairdresser or barber moved out of town and you're looking for.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: New one and your hair needs to look good.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: And you remember your friend, person A was talking about her amazing hairdresser.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: So you're gonna ask your friend, person A, hey, my hairdresser just left out of town.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: I heard you love yours.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Can you give me their name?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: Or, hey, where did you get your nails done?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Or I need to get new piping.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know someone?
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: We already do this naturally in our personal lives.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be natural in terms of work.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: This happened with one of my other clients.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: She was doing informational interviews, and through conversations, she was able to find another job.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: It was really important that she had more experience in terms of managing, that there was growth, and now she's a director.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: And she was able to get that job through doing informational interviews by networking with other people.
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• 23:32
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• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: How often do you see people go through this process, Elaine?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Many of us will be in the workplace for 40 years, maybe even longer.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Is it uh normal in the clients you work with to reinvent themselves every five or ten years?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: It is normal because priorities change.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Things in life may shift.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, I mean, we just grow older and there's nothing wrong with that.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: Where priority shifts.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: So it does change.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: One.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then two, realizing that there are things out of your control, right?
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: We can't control if all of leadership changes.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: We can't control if we notice that there is low retention at the company you're working with.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe there's no control that you have when it comes to you wanting to grow within the company.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: And when you acknowledge that you have done all you can, maybe speaking up for yourselves, providing recommendations, and you not being heard, frustration happens where then things need to shift and change.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: But I will al I always tell my clients, I know so often Hollywood, because maybe because I'm from LA, people think, I just need to leave this job and go find something else.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: But I will also say, have you tried to advocate and ask those questions?
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: It happened to one of my clients where she wanted to get a raise, she wanted a new promotion.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: She never asked, though.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: And when she finally had that conversation with her supervisor, it took three months and she didn't get the raise she wanted.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: What was interesting about that is that even though, yeah, she was happy, she realized, oh, actually, I don't like the culture in this company anymore.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: And now she is at a different job, getting paid more again.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's been a terrific conversation, Elaine.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Now tell us what's next for you.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I also have my own podcast.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's a business and career coaching podcast for women of color and allies to create a more sustainable career.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: You could find that on Apple and Spotify.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's called Color Your Dreams.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: So that's one way.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: And the second way is I also provide a complementary career review call with me where you get three individualized action items towards your goals.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: So to schedule that, if you're interested, you could go to elanelu.com forward slash call.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: And once again, that's E-L-A-I-N-E-L-O-U.com forward slash call.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: We'll be sure to include that URL in the show notes.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Elaine, given all the great advice you've shared today, what's the one thing you want a listener to remember about how to realign your career during uh an identity crisis?
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's making the discernment that the things you want in your career is what you want as opposed to the other expectations of other people.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: Now I get it.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you and your partner are deciding, I want to have a down payment for a new home by the end of the year.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: But what I mean by making sure it's not the expectations of other people is, oh, you should do this, you should do that.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: I heard that this type of job or career is gonna provide you stability.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: So it's making sure you're making the discernment.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I do want to add a second one is when you're starting to have conversation, making sure when you're having these informational interviews with others that you decide of after reflecting in the conversation of, hmm, did I like that?
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Not the person, but did I like what they were sharing about the company or the industry they were working with?
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't think I'm interested in that.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: Let me stop looking into it.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: Or actually, I am pretty curious.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Let me talk to other people in this field.
• 28:18
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• 28:59
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• 29:06
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• 29:14
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• 29:19
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• 29:22
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• 29:25
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• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: So you're probably thinking, is this really possible, Elaine?
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: Can I find a fulfilling job and life?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, if you need a success story, listen to the Call Your Dreams podcast, episode number 27 called Changing Careers and Increasing Your Salary as a First Generation Immigrant with my brother Daryl.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: You'll find it inspiring and I get really vulnerable and even cry with my brother because I'm just so proud of him, how he was able to change careers and increase his salary.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: And if you want support and creating a fulfilling career and want to work with someone who has been there and has helped with clients to find a more sustainable life, then schedule a 30-minute legacy career review call with me where you will receive three action items towards your business, career, or life.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: And schedule this call at ElaineLou.com forward slash call.
• 31:11
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• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: If it's a great fit to work together, great.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: By the end of the call, we could talk about how it looks like to work together.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: And if it's not a great fit, great.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'll just refer you to other people and resources so it will be a win-win for you.
• 31:28
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• 31:31
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• 31:35
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• 32:04
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• 32:17
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• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: All right, legacy leader.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'll see you in our newest episode in two weeks, and remember to follow your dreams to lead your legacy.