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  Speaker 1: Goodness, he's the good report.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight an extraordinary interview with One Nation's Barnaby Joyce that
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  Speaker 2: I'm afraid will embarrass him and raise fresh doubt about
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  Speaker 2: his party now like Barnaby a lot, He's been a
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  Speaker 2: regular on the show for yonks, but have to be
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  Speaker 2: leveled with you about what really went on. Also tonight,
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  Speaker 2: the mother of an autistic child and why the ABC
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  Speaker 2: is so wrong to have hired Grace Tame to host
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  Speaker 2: the podcast on Autism, and a lot more tonight, but
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  Speaker 2: let's start with some breaking news. Syrian born Ahmed al Ahmed,
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  Speaker 2: the hero of BONDEI. He has been rightly praised for
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  Speaker 2: risking his life to save others, and it was even
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  Speaker 2: held up by activists as a rebuke to people who
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  Speaker 2: wanted tougher controls immigration, especially from the Middle East. So
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  Speaker 2: bombshell news this afternoon. Ahmedel Ahmed has been charged with
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  Speaker 2: common assaults and stalking after allegedly attacking his elderly father,
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  Speaker 2: putting him in a headlock at his home in March.
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  Speaker 2: Police have also taken out apprehended violence order prohibiting Ahmed
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  Speaker 2: from contacting his father or getting closer than one hundred
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  Speaker 2: meters to where he lives and works. Now, this, of
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  Speaker 2: course comes after earlier trouble. Ahmed's two brothers were charged
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  Speaker 2: with allegedly threatening him over the phone and demanding one
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  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars each out of the two point six
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  Speaker 2: million donations that Ahmed got from his heroics from grateful fans.
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  Speaker 2: Two cautions here, One Ahmed and his brothers must be
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  Speaker 2: presumed innocent, leave that to a court to decide. And
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  Speaker 2: two legends are simple. Reality is complicated over the show.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC now faces a huge new reputational crisis. Two
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  Speaker 2: new ABC funding decisions. They're disgraceful, and not just for
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  Speaker 2: showing the state broadcasters outrageous bias to the left. One
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  Speaker 2: decision we discussed last night is hiring hard left activist
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  Speaker 2: Grace Tame after she falsely claimed the documented rapes of
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  Speaker 2: Jewish women by Hamas terrorists were just propaganda, and she
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  Speaker 2: even called for into farda an uprising in Australia. I
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  Speaker 2: guess like that one by Hamas terrorists and Gaza from Gallandala.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'll talk more about that later in the show.
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  Speaker 2: But to the second disgrace last night, Britney Higgins popped up.
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  Speaker 2: She walked the red carpet at the Sydney Film Festival,
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  Speaker 2: the premiere of a film starring her as a hero victim.
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  Speaker 2: She posed with the film's executive producer, is also the
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  Speaker 2: film's a real on screen hero, Australian lawyer Jennifer Robinson,
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  Speaker 2: and the crowd last night gave them and their film
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  Speaker 2: crew a standing ovation.
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  Speaker 1: So why is this a scandal for the ABC?
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  Speaker 2: Because the ABC funded this film, funded a lie with
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  Speaker 2: your money. Here's Hu Mark's, the ABC managing director and
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  Speaker 2: its editor in chief, telling a Senate Essenance Committee in
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  Speaker 2: February how much taxpayer money it actually given this film
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  Speaker 2: without reading a script or seeing any footage.
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  Speaker 3: Our contribution, Senator looks like it's three hundred and forty
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  Speaker 3: thousand dollars, which is four percent of the total budget
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  Speaker 3: of two and a half million. I've said, I haven't
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  Speaker 3: seen the detail of it. I've seen it on the
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  Speaker 3: slate of program that's been acquired. I'm not sure whether
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  Speaker 3: we received the screen copy.
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  Speaker 2: Now this is red hot for one. This documentary that
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  Speaker 2: the ABC is funded is called Silenced and its premise,
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  Speaker 2: as you might gather from the title, and published on
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  Speaker 2: the Rotten Tomatoes website. It's this after Me Too broke
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  Speaker 2: the cultural silence on gender violence. International human rights lawyer
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer Robinson fights against the weaponization of defamation laws to
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  Speaker 2: silence survivors, and at that point Hugh Marx, the ABC
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  Speaker 2: should have said, hang on, Britney is starring in a
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  Speaker 2: documentary about how defamation laws are used to silence victims
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  Speaker 2: of rape. But that's bull. They should have known it's
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  Speaker 2: misleading to use Higgins as an example, and there's no
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  Speaker 2: way on God's earth that the taxpayer funded ABC should
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  Speaker 2: have given a single dollar of taxpayer's money to funding
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  Speaker 2: such a film a lie. Now, it's true that Higgins
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  Speaker 2: has claimed she was shut down, punished, in silenced by
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  Speaker 2: liberal party bosses when she claims she was rape, a
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  Speaker 2: claim pushed by the start, from the start, by this
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  Speaker 2: very same ABC.
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  Speaker 4: Tonight on four Corners, we investigate how her story was
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  Speaker 4: kept secret for almost two years and why she feels
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  Speaker 4: her cries for help were stifled by the camera machine
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  Speaker 4: and expectations of party loyalty.
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  Speaker 2: But as we now know, that's absolute crud. A court
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  Speaker 2: found that yes, the rape did happen on the balance
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  Speaker 2: of probabilities, but that alleged cover up, it never did.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, the Higgins claims were ruled utterly false by
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  Speaker 2: judges in both the Supreme Court and the Federal Court.
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  Speaker 2: There was no political cover up of Higgins's rape. Higgins
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  Speaker 2: had not told the truth, even though the Albanezi governed
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  Speaker 2: gave her an astonishing two point four million dollars in
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  Speaker 2: conversation in part from this fictional claim that the liberals
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  Speaker 2: who tried to shudder up and that.
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  Speaker 1: Was your money too. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Higgins and her husband then declared themselves bankrupt rather than
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  Speaker 2: pay Higgins's former boss, former Defense Minister Linda Reynolds, court
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  Speaker 2: ordered damages for falsely slaming her as a woman who
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  Speaker 2: punished and silenced Higgins a rape victim, claims that effectively
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  Speaker 2: wrecked Reynolds's career. So why is the ABC funding a
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  Speaker 2: documentary presenting Higgins as a wrong woman in that court
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  Speaker 2: case rather than show her as the false accuser? Was
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  Speaker 2: that the truth came out in a defamation case. That's
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  Speaker 2: the one she's supposedly the victim of. Now Marts in
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  Speaker 2: February said well, don't worry. He had been told by
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  Speaker 2: the people behind this documentary that they weren't going to
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  Speaker 2: mention by name Reynolds or a public servant whose career
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  Speaker 2: was also ended by higgins falsehoods.
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  Speaker 1: But of course, as.
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  Speaker 2: You and I know, you don't need to actually mention
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  Speaker 2: their names to still promote the lie that Higgins was
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  Speaker 2: wrongly silenced by defamation actions supposedly to soft women reporting rapes.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that is not what Renalds suited for. Higgins
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  Speaker 2: was sued for telling falsehoods about other women, specifically Reynolds,
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  Speaker 2: and refusing to say sorry. But that's exactly not what
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  Speaker 2: reviewers around the world have taken from this film since
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  Speaker 2: it was first shown at the u S Sundance Festival, which,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, they bankrupt, Higgins and her husband somehow
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  Speaker 2: managed to attend again as the hero victim. Let me
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  Speaker 2: read what those reviews took from the ABC funded film now.
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  Speaker 2: The website of famed critic Roger Ebert says, Brittney Higgins
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  Speaker 2: has faced several cases against herself. The film is at
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  Speaker 2: it's best when it focuses on the co commonalities of
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  Speaker 2: these cases where the legal system is used to silence
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  Speaker 2: women who have come forward. And again, no, Higgins was
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  Speaker 2: not stopped from coming forward at all with the rape claims.
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  Speaker 2: His critic, Elize Shaffin's silence, The film does an admirable
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  Speaker 2: job of showing how the legal system works to protect
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  Speaker 2: those who already hold power and again, know that is
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  Speaker 2: not what happened. He is critic Elizabeth Weitzman. Pritty Higgins
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  Speaker 2: shares the overwhelming punishment she's experienced after reporting that a
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  Speaker 2: colleague had assaulted her. No one punished her at all
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  Speaker 2: for reporting that rape. To repeat, no one tried to
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  Speaker 2: stop Higgins from reporting her rape. No one suited for
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  Speaker 2: defamation for reporting her rape. She was sued instead for
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  Speaker 2: making false claims the media interviews about a woman she
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  Speaker 2: claimed had punished her, a woman who instead had helped her.
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  Speaker 2: So why is the avacy funded a movie which effectively
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  Speaker 2: spreads a lie like that around the world. Now to
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  Speaker 2: this Barnaby Joyce interview which I pre recorded about to
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  Speaker 2: show you. I started with this premise. You know, if
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  Speaker 2: this one thing that drives me nuts about this Albanese
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  Speaker 2: government's the lies and the spin. We have an economy
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  Speaker 2: in such strife that Australians are getting poorer. But what
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  Speaker 2: we get from this governor a shabby, shabby tricks, lies, tricks,
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  Speaker 2: spin to persuade you that black is white and down
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  Speaker 2: is up. Today came a nepalleon.
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  Speaker 1: Example, a lie sold with lies.
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  Speaker 2: The government today ram through the House of Representative that
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  Speaker 2: cuts the negative gear into capital gains tax discounts, which
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  Speaker 2: Primister Anthony Albanezi promised again and again before the last
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  Speaker 2: election it wouldn't even touch.
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  Speaker 5: Any rule out any changes to negative gearing and capital
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  Speaker 5: gains tests.
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  Speaker 6: How hard is it for the fiftieth plain?
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  Speaker 2: So how did the government today dress up this lie,
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  Speaker 2: this betrayal?
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  Speaker 1: Will?
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  Speaker 2: It trained a very sneaky, trashy little political trick. It
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  Speaker 2: added to this legislation to ram through these measures an
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  Speaker 2: unrelated promise to give tax post two hundred and fifty dollars,
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  Speaker 2: which is a fraction of the extra taxes the government
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  Speaker 2: rakes in through bracket creep. So when the Liberals then
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  Speaker 2: voted against the capital gains and negative gearing changes, the
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  Speaker 2: lies the Prime Minister and its failed treasurer, well they
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  Speaker 2: felt free to lie again and say no, no, what
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  Speaker 2: those silly liberals are really doing. What they're really against,
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  Speaker 2: it's the tax cuts.
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  Speaker 7: That entire five minute rant from the opposition leader can
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  Speaker 7: be summarized in one sentence.
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  Speaker 6: The Coalition is voting against tax cuts once again.
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  Speaker 1: Tricky Labor.
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  Speaker 2: This tricky Treasurer has deliberately tied these measures to.
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  Speaker 8: Its toxic taxes.
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  Speaker 2: Scramming this legislation through the Parliament without sufficient scrutiny is
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  Speaker 2: an act of political expediency, an act of political bastardry.
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  Speaker 1: It's true.
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  Speaker 2: I wish he'd dropped the language a little bit, but yes,
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  Speaker 2: it's absolutely true. And the fact that this government has
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  Speaker 2: itself voted against bigger tax cuts and cuts every year
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  Speaker 2: by saying no to the Liberals plan sup bracket crete,
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  Speaker 2: by just in the tax skills for inflation wore what hypocrisy?
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  Speaker 5: The albanezy Laby government voted eleven times against lower taxes.
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  Speaker 5: By voting against the Coalition's tax back guarantee, Labor is
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  Speaker 5: locking in higher taxes for Australian workers year after year.
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  Speaker 5: Will the Prime Minister be upfront with Australians and admit
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  Speaker 5: his government voted to steal hundreds of billions of dollars
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  Speaker 5: in extra taxes from hard work Australians.
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  Speaker 1: So can anyone be surprised at this lying?
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  Speaker 2: Smart Alex Spincrow's government so on the knows that even
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  Speaker 2: my nation is now more popular in the polls. And
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  Speaker 2: I should add this, you know, because this is stuff
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  Speaker 2: that hurts you. Hire taxes on investments, collapse in house prices.
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  Speaker 2: We now see Anthony Albanese doesn't even seem to understand
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  Speaker 2: those taxes is pushed through today the customer negative gearing,
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  Speaker 2: the fiftie cent discount to capital gains. Even his own
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  Speaker 2: Treasury secretary had to admit today the Prime Minister was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Here's how Albanese actually sold his change.
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  Speaker 9: How policies are very clear when it comes to capital ghists.
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  Speaker 10: What well I simply do as returning the system to
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  Speaker 10: what was there before.
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  Speaker 9: Ninety nine.
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  Speaker 2: But here is Albanese's Treasury secretary and Senate estimates today
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  Speaker 2: admitting that Albanezy was wrong to say that his tax
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  Speaker 2: changes are like the ones that were in place back
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety nine.
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  Speaker 11: Secretary, Will the new capital gains tax system allow five
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  Speaker 11: year income averaging as the pre nineteen ninety nine system did.
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  Speaker 10: That has not been part of the announcements that the
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  Speaker 10: government's made in relation to the tax package.
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  Speaker 11: Did the pre nineteen ninety nine system impose a minimum
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  Speaker 11: thirty percent tax rate as the new system will.
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  Speaker 12: No, it didn't center.
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  Speaker 1: How uneasy doesn't know.
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  Speaker 2: I was joined a short while ago by a regular
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  Speaker 2: Thursday commentator, One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce the formula format
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  Speaker 2: Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce, good to see you again.
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  Speaker 2: Did you vote for or against Labour's tax cuts?
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  Speaker 6: Tax tax cuts?
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  Speaker 1: Tax cuts?
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  Speaker 6: I voted against their two hundred and fifty dollars price
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  Speaker 6: tag for a fifty percent a loss of fifty percent
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  Speaker 6: tax break on a capital asset. So let's say we
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  Speaker 6: buy a house for at nine hundred thousand dollars and
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  Speaker 6: sell it for nine hundred and fifty. I was voting
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  Speaker 6: against losing putting twenty five thousand dollars back on my
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  Speaker 6: income tax. That would have cost me a lot more
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  Speaker 6: than two hundred and fifty bucks. I can assure you
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  Speaker 6: of that. Or if I'd set up a business and
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  Speaker 6: sold at the capital gains i'd make there, it's going
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  Speaker 6: to cost me a lot more than two hundred.
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  Speaker 1: And fifty bucks.
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  Speaker 6: Or if basically, if you buy shares and sell them
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  Speaker 6: make a bit of money because you're prudent, didn't pee
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  Speaker 6: the money up against the wall, it's going to cost
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  Speaker 6: me a little bit more than two hundred and fifty bucks.
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  Speaker 6: So yes, I voted against their two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 6: dollars rubbish because I believe that we're in a vastly
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  Speaker 6: better position without the changes to capital gains tax, which
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  Speaker 6: reward those who make the sacrifice to put money away
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  Speaker 6: after tax, after they paid the tax, into an asset
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  Speaker 6: that makes them more secure that they can hand onto
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  Speaker 6: their family. I think intergeneration intergenerational large s, where you
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  Speaker 6: can make the sacrifice in your life so your children
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  Speaker 6: live an easier life, is worth more than two hundred
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  Speaker 6: and fifty bucks.
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  Speaker 1: Hones.
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  Speaker 2: See, it's the policy is one thing is to stupid
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  Speaker 2: political games like you know, we'll just add a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of sugar here and so you you know, don't
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  Speaker 2: mind the poison. It's just so insulting. But I've got
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  Speaker 2: to pay you this.
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  Speaker 1: From Senate estimates last night, barnaby.
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  Speaker 2: It came after we learned that this government meanwhile helped
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  Speaker 2: fifty one thousand non citizens buy a home here by
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  Speaker 2: letting them use the taxpayer back five percent deposit scheme.
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  Speaker 1: Have listen, I.
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  Speaker 7: Guess a lot of people look at this and say,
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  Speaker 7: why are we making Why have you expanded this scheme
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  Speaker 7: for Australians to become first home owners to people who
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  Speaker 7: aren't Australian citizens.
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  Speaker 1: That's a question for you, minister.
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  Speaker 9: Australians who are permanent residents have settled permanently here in Australia.
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  Speaker 9: Many of them are in our suburbs, in families where
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  Speaker 9: they are grandparents, taxpayers, in our defense forces. They are
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  Speaker 9: part of the Australian community.
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  Speaker 7: It's an Australian first home buy scheme. It's not for
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  Speaker 7: people who are not Australians.
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  Speaker 1: May be your response.
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  Speaker 6: Many of them are putting the dream of Australians to
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  Speaker 6: buy a house, Australians to buy a house. They're kicking
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  Speaker 6: that to the curb. We want Australians to be in
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  Speaker 6: a house now. If you're not an Australian citizen, I
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: think we've got some serious questions to ask that we
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  Speaker 6: subsidize you into a house at the expense of other
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  Speaker 6: people who are Australian citizens. See they tell you about
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  Speaker 6: the benevolence of the people who come here who get
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  Speaker 6: the benefit of the largest of the tax bar but
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: they don't talk about the Australians who miss out. And
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: we want to make sure Australia. This is one of
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  Speaker 6: the biggest issues. We've been bringing in the population of
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  Speaker 6: Canberra plus in the last few years into Australia and
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  Speaker 6: that has forced the price of houses through the roof
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  Speaker 6: and Australians are missing out on owning a house and
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: they want that dealt with. And this idea that not
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  Speaker 6: only can you come into Australia, but the Australian government's
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  Speaker 6: going to help you keep Australians out of a house,
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: there's got to be something wrong with that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, one nation has its own policy on stopping foreign
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  Speaker 2: ownership of house. Here's Paulinhanson.
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  Speaker 10: We must stop foreign ownership of housing indefinitely, give foreign
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  Speaker 10: owners two years to sell up so we don't suddenly
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  Speaker 10: flood the market. If not sold, the property will be
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  Speaker 10: repossessed by the federal government.
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  Speaker 2: Something hasn't been quite explained about that as far as
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  Speaker 2: I can make out, Would that mean that permanent citizens
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  Speaker 2: who are also not Australians but permanent residents, sorry, permanent
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  Speaker 2: residents that they would have to sell their houses as well.
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  Speaker 6: Will become a permanent resident I mean committ yourself totally
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  Speaker 6: to this nation and then your problems are solved. But
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  Speaker 6: if you want to have a foot and two camps,
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: then in two camps you'll have your feet.
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  Speaker 1: Become an Australian citizen.
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  Speaker 6: Comply with the Australia, with the Australian ethos, commit yourself
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  Speaker 6: to this nation, and this nation commits itself to you.
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  Speaker 6: But this idea, Look, I don't particularly want to be
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  Speaker 6: an Australian, but I want the benefits of being an Australian. No,
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  Speaker 6: we're going to be distinct about that. You have to
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: be an Australian citizen if you want the benefits that
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: are indelible about that, and.
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  Speaker 2: That includes buying your own home. A permanent resident under
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  Speaker 2: one nation would not be allowed to buy their own
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  Speaker 2: home here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know it.
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  Speaker 6: The issue is that we have to work out how
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  Speaker 6: we have the housing stock for people who are we
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  Speaker 6: have we've concerning ourselves with people who are.
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  Speaker 2: No, I've got the problem, I've got the problem we've
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  Speaker 2: got I'm just barnaby, I'm totally I'm totally with I'm
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  Speaker 2: understanding all that. I'm just wondering, does it apply to
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  Speaker 2: permanent residents as well?
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  Speaker 1: Well? We want Yeah it does.
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  Speaker 6: That's that's that's my belief in the policy it does,
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  Speaker 6: and we want to make sure that we want to
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  Speaker 6: make sure that you become a permanent resident, you become
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: become a permanent resident and become sorry, become an Australian citizen.
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  Speaker 6: Excuse me, come an Australian citizen. And that will that's
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  Speaker 6: going to deal with the issue, isn't it become an
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  Speaker 6: Australian citizen?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Well that might be a bit of an issue
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  Speaker 2: for a number of people, but we shall see how
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  Speaker 2: they resolve that. Two polls this week saying One Nation
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  Speaker 2: is now more popular than Labor, but both agree you
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: still won't win an election because you wouldn't even if
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: on these numbers, if it all comes to fruition and
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: know you know you worry, you warnt against Hubris, but
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't win an election because you wouldn't get enough
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: preferences from the other parties.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: How can you get over that final hurdle?
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  Speaker 6: Do you think, well, it's self fulfilling prophecy that if
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: you don't work with One Nation on preferences, that you're
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: not going to be the government. On the conservative side
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: of politics, more so now than ever before. We want
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: to make sure we will do the very best job
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: we come on behalf of one nation, and the circumstances
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  Speaker 6: may mean that we need the preferences from the coalition.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: Probably most likely do obviously, or maybe we don't. But
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: I know one thing for certain, they'll definitely need our
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: preferences or they haven't got a hope. So in those
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: discussions and sober discussions between One Nation and the Coalition,
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: I hope they recognize that not go forward to some
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: sort of, to be quite frank, patronizing view of you know,
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: one Nation will just like you know, we'll once more
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: diminish into some sort of secondhand party and.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: You know, bow at the light of the Coalition. It's
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: not going to be like that.
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: You will respect us as currently the highest polling party
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: in Australia, and in the discussions that I had between us,
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: in light of that respect, I'm sure we can come
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: to some sort of resolution.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, that was the interview and I said goodbye to
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Barnaby and Barnaby there and he must have thought, as
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I did. You know, given that there are nearly four
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand permanent residents in Australia who owned their own home,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: it seemed to be drastic or cruel to make them
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: sell it in two years or become citizens, and if
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: they didn't, they'd be repossessed.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: And after the.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Interview Barnaby with Barnaby, something extraordinary happened. He must have figured, well,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: you know, he actually had no idea what Paul and
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Hanson's policy and foreign ownership of homes really was and
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: must have realized this was going a bit harsh. So
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: with our cameras to Ellonomy rang two people back in
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the office and one said, no, the policy actually didn't
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: affect permanent residence, and the second, more senior, said it did,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: and Barnaby left the studio. Minutes later he came back
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: and said, actually, there wasn't now a change of policy.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Could he record a new answer?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: And I agreed, here.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: It is okay, Barnaby, you have a change of policy.
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: Well, I believe obviously, and clarity of exactly what was there.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: This policy is formative, but on further investigation and in
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: discussions with one nation, no, we are not going to
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: be kicking permanent residents out of their house. This policy
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: as it progresses on, we have to absolutely make certain
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: that there's no unnecessary fallout of it. The concept is
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: quite clear. It is that we want people to progress
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: through to Australian citizenship, but that should not come at
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: the expense of did not come at the expense of
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: permanent residence being divested of their house. It was an
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: issue that needed further clarity. I've got it and that's it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: So who does it apply to?
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: Well, obviously it applies to people who are foreign citizens,
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: who are basically not permanent residents. And there's your line.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Now, this shows a couple of things. One nation is
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: literally making up policies that goes along, and the second
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Joyce initially assumed one nation's policy on non citizens owning property.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Here was the most extreme interpretation of Hanson's ambiguous statement
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: and my moral of the lemma. Well, I could have
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: played you the calls that Bunby made in our studio
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to clarify things and got a big media splash, lots
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: of cliques, but that, of course would be unfair to Barnaby.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I had indicated our interview was over. On the other hand,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I could have saved Barnaby embarrassment with some editing, cutting
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: out his first answer, replacing it with his second, and
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: no one to know what had gone on. But then
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I would not have been straight with you. So I've
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: shown would have shown that the chips for where they
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: may and you can decide for yourself. Is one nation
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: yet ready for government after the break Well, the panel
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: with reaction to what you just saw, plus incredible statistics
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: from the theft capital of Australia and our sickest city
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: at that an outracious example today of double standards. In
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: a very telling silence as well, two of the eleven
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Australians from that anti Israel flotilla last month that was
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: stopped from going to Gaza with aid held a press
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: conference with the Greens a Parliament House to yet again
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: claim the Israeli army had tortured them.
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: It is shameful.
• 25:43
  Speaker 14: The Australian government needs to take action.
• 25:49
  Speaker 12: Thieve's going to speak.
• 25:53
  Speaker 14: My name is nevro Connor, and I was kidnapped by
• 25:55
  Speaker 14: the State of Israel twice.
• 25:57
  Speaker 15: I was trying to deliver life saving humanitarian aid into
• 25:59
  Speaker 15: God and break the illegal siege.
• 26:02
  Speaker 11: They were physically.
• 26:02
  Speaker 13: Beaten, assaulted and sexually violated.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad the bruises have healed or so fast,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: but I've covered their claims last week. How Israel kicked
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: out the protests a couple of weeks ago. They were
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: looking pretty healthy, those protesters then, but when they arrived
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: at Istanbul Airport where they were all meant to go,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: they suddenly needed a convoy, stretchers and wheelchairs and claimed
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the Israelis had bashed them, raped them, whatever, all sorts
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: of wild claims. Although by the time they flew the
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: last league home, I've got to say, and I've shown
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: you this somewhere from being hospitalized like with a neck
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: brace to dancing for joy, that they're welcome back home.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: But that's not exactly what I mean about today now.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: So Israel released all these flotilla protests from the same
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Summud group, but ten members from the Summud protests group
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: who were on a land convoy at the same time
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: to Gaza remain arrested to this day in Libya, wearing
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: handcuffs some of the times. This is eleven days after
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I hauled off mid journey by soldiers of this Muslim nation.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: So where are they protests by activists here against Muslim Libya,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: you know, still holding their colleagues captive, and where's the
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: international condemnation?
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: The media condemnation.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Joining me is the panel form of Federal Liberal Party
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Vice President Tina McQueen, now with One Nation as Christimus Sweeney,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: who has worked for coalition prime ministers and premiers.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, Tina, what does that sign.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Us about Libya still holding those anti Israel protests?
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Tell you?
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Is it as once again that only Jews make news?
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: That's pretty much. That's pretty much right, Andrew.
• 27:47
  Speaker 15: I mean, it's shameful they're still being held, and it's
• 27:50
  Speaker 15: doubly shameful. The very people that should be that need
• 27:53
  Speaker 15: a bit of help at the moment aren't getting any
• 27:55
  Speaker 15: There's no voices screaming out for there anyone anywhere. As
• 27:59
  Speaker 15: for the others, they should just keep selling the Hollywood.
• 28:02
  Speaker 15: I mean, they're great actors, but it's amazing no one
• 28:06
  Speaker 15: has screaming out, particularly for the Green Party, about both
• 28:09
  Speaker 15: still being held in Libya. They won't say a word
• 28:12
  Speaker 15: against the country holding them.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Christy, what do you make of this?
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: Oh?
• 28:20
  Speaker 14: Look, there's a lot of theater involved in this one,
• 28:23
  Speaker 14: isn't there. We saw it at Parliament to that press conference,
• 28:25
  Speaker 14: we've seen it across the media. We've seen a reinterpretive
• 28:31
  Speaker 14: of everyone's version of their truth, and I think yes,
• 28:35
  Speaker 14: deafening silence, not being keen to call on Libya to
• 28:41
  Speaker 14: release those other people. You would think that that would
• 28:44
  Speaker 14: be the top of your agenda if you were going
• 28:46
  Speaker 14: to stand up in Parliament and do a press conference.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I would have thought so too.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: But Tina, Tina, let us track back to that Barnaby
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Joyce interview before the break. How embarrassing is that for
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: one nation?
• 29:01
  Speaker 15: I don't know it's embarrassing. I think you both did
• 29:03
  Speaker 15: the right thing. I think it was commendable that you
• 29:06
  Speaker 15: aired what you did, and I think Barnaby was trying
• 29:10
  Speaker 15: to do the right thing to correct what he thought
• 29:13
  Speaker 15: was probably a misspeak or a misunderstanding of a policy
• 29:17
  Speaker 15: of one nation. Look, clearly you played the clip of
• 29:20
  Speaker 15: Pauline hands and saying what she did. Clearly Barnaby would
• 29:24
  Speaker 15: be reluctant to go against the leader. But after the
• 29:28
  Speaker 15: interview he did the right thing. He double checked, it
• 29:31
  Speaker 15: was sorted and I think, you know, people don't want
• 29:34
  Speaker 15: bullshit television and what we saw was truthful television tonight.
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: And that's a good thing, whether it's embarrassing or not.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Andrew Christy, you're the communications expert.
• 29:44
  Speaker 14: Your call I think it was an absolutely shocking interview
• 29:48
  Speaker 14: for somebody who is, for all intents and purposes, a
• 29:52
  Speaker 14: major figure in a party that is now running second
• 29:56
  Speaker 14: to the government of the day. If they are polling
• 29:59
  Speaker 14: thirty percent, which they did in our Redbridge Pole first
• 30:01
  Speaker 14: time ever, it is incumbent upon you to behave better
• 30:06
  Speaker 14: towards the media and be across your facts and be
• 30:09
  Speaker 14: across your policy.
• 30:10
  Speaker 12: It is an.
• 30:10
  Speaker 14: Indication that there is one man in one nation, and
• 30:14
  Speaker 14: that one man is Barnaby Joyce, and he's working twenty
• 30:18
  Speaker 14: four hours a day because he's the only one that
• 30:21
  Speaker 14: has experience of ministerial government and he's the only one
• 30:25
  Speaker 14: that understands how to put a government together. Pauline is
• 30:29
  Speaker 14: fantastic at what she does, which is dividing empathy from
• 30:32
  Speaker 14: people and being the catalyst for them wanting to detonate
• 30:35
  Speaker 14: the two party system. But it is indicative that right
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: now there's one man essentially running that party that's polling
• 30:43
  Speaker 14: thirty percent, and we have to look at the capability
• 30:46
  Speaker 14: of their party to govern. Assuming they win more seats.
• 30:51
  Speaker 14: Every single one of their MP's will be brand new
• 30:54
  Speaker 14: with no exposure to parliament or government, and of course
• 30:58
  Speaker 14: they may well bring life experience that you know, a
• 31:01
  Speaker 14: government or a magic coalition party can't be run with
• 31:05
  Speaker 14: one man.
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: But that's showing Andrew. Some of these policies are fluid.
• 31:09
  Speaker 15: I mean, with the government's lives and the concert change
• 31:12
  Speaker 15: changing legislation they haven't seen. It's understandable that Barnaby is
• 31:16
  Speaker 15: exhausted and these policies have not been finalized.
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: So I'm prepared to give him a break at the moment.
• 31:23
  Speaker 14: Yeah, Tina, you're open to the same scrutiny as everybody else.
• 31:28
  Speaker 14: If you want to play at a major party and
• 31:30
  Speaker 14: have your leader out there saying I'm in the running
• 31:32
  Speaker 14: to be Prime minister and I would knock back the
• 31:34
  Speaker 14: job and saying the Liberal Party needs to go in
• 31:37
  Speaker 14: coalition with us. You have to face the scrutiny, and
• 31:40
  Speaker 14: that means being.
• 31:41
  Speaker 15: Just faced the scrutiny and did the right thing. Rang
• 31:45
  Speaker 15: Andrew and wanted to clear things up. And Andrew did
• 31:48
  Speaker 15: the right thing by playing the attiety of everything so
• 31:50
  Speaker 15: nothing was covered up the reception, so it was good television.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: But Tina, the idea of fluid policies. One of the
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: things of many that alarmed me there was that Barnaby,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: as a newcomer, immediately assumed, Now I know that Pauline
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Hanson's comments originally were ambiguous, but he immediately assumed that
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: harshest possible interpretation was the one that she would have meant.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Then he comes back saying, no, no, of course, we
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: wouldn't strip permanent residents of their homes if they didn't
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: become Australian citizens.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's alarming, right, there isn't it.
• 32:30
  Speaker 15: Well? I think the reality said in as you pointed
• 32:32
  Speaker 15: out the number of permanent residents that own homes and
• 32:35
  Speaker 15: it would be very difficult to repossess those homes, and
• 32:38
  Speaker 15: they're ready to reconsidered their policy. I think over the
• 32:41
  Speaker 15: next couple of months, one nation policies will really be succinct.
• 32:46
  Speaker 15: They've really got their act together at doing so every day.
• 32:49
  Speaker 15: So don't write them off just yet.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not grading them off at all.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: But Christly, the problem is, this is the question I
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: asked Pauline Hanson a few days ago. I said, who's
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: your treasure? And she laughed it off as a very previous.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Kind of question.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: But the point is, if you don't have seen your
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: people on board familiar with this area writing up your policy.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Now, I think you're in trouble.
• 33:17
  Speaker 14: Well, I think you are to Andrew, but I did
• 33:20
  Speaker 14: mention that I do work for Reverridge Polly as well.
• 33:23
  Speaker 14: I'm not here speaking in that capacity. But what we
• 33:26
  Speaker 14: see is that there are so many people out there
• 33:29
  Speaker 14: disaffected with the system that the major parties have always
• 33:32
  Speaker 14: tried to win voters based on policy, and what we're
• 33:37
  Speaker 14: seeing now is there is a huge chunk of people
• 33:39
  Speaker 14: who are nominating their voting for one nation regardless of policy.
• 33:43
  Speaker 14: They're not looking at policy, they're just looking to blow
• 33:47
  Speaker 14: the joint up, so to speak. So if the major
• 33:51
  Speaker 14: parties are continuing to talk about one nation saying they've
• 33:54
  Speaker 14: got no policies, they don't know how to run a government,
• 33:57
  Speaker 14: be mindful that those old rules don't actually apply with
• 34:01
  Speaker 14: what we're dealing here, with the rising for one nation,
• 34:04
  Speaker 14: that may actually that may actually assist them.
• 34:07
  Speaker 15: And you can also add on I just want to
• 34:10
  Speaker 15: add you guys also have no idea who are putting
• 34:13
  Speaker 15: their hand up to a stand for one nation in
• 34:15
  Speaker 15: different seats. Now, I have some idea of the caliber
• 34:18
  Speaker 15: of people, So trust me, there'll be a small as
• 34:21
  Speaker 15: board of people that could quite easily be treasurer. All
• 34:24
  Speaker 15: that will be revealed later on, not just yet.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I do know of one name that I'm sworn to
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: secrecy on and I think that's an impressive gentleman.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: But look, and I also think blowing the joint up
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: it's a sophisticate, an unsophisticated way of saying the people
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: that vote for one nation actually hate the policies that
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: are on offer from the two major teams. It is
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: a little bit more than blowing the joint up. They
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: hate what's been forced down their throat. But anyway, interesting discussion.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Christopher Sween and Tina McQueen, thank you very much to
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: you both. After the break, the ABC hires Grace Tame
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: to host the podcast and Autism. Well, the mother of
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: an autistic child tells me why that is so wrong.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I mentioned the ABC hiring Grace Tame to host the
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: four part Podcasts and Autism with by the way, the
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: foul title autistic a f as f as if it's
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: some kind of joke or edgy little branding and hiring Tame,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: what did you call for an interfarner in Australia. Now,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I told you last night, but I think, well, I
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: think this crossed the deep red line hiring and so
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: legitimizing someone preaching such anti Israel hatred and seeming to
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: endorse uprising. But from messages are received from a few
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: parents and relatives of autistic children, it seems there's something
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: else to say about it, and joining me as one
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: such parent, Former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes, Holly, great to
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: see you know you have an autistic child, and I
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: imagine that you'd actually welcome an ABC podcast claiming to
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: break down stereotypes about autism.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Do you well know this one?
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: No, I do not.
• 36:17
  Speaker 16: Not a or autistic AF would suggest she's functioning at
• 36:23
  Speaker 16: some sort of significant level of autism that would suggest impairment.
• 36:28
  Speaker 16: I can assure you my son and we've just been
• 36:31
  Speaker 16: through another diagnostic reassessment as we prepare to leave school.
• 36:36
  Speaker 16: And let me tell you, my son will never have
• 36:39
  Speaker 16: a job, will never live independently his autism level three,
• 36:44
  Speaker 16: he'll never be Australian of the Year, let alone host
• 36:46
  Speaker 16: a podcast, let alone be able to advocate for himself.
• 36:50
  Speaker 16: There are lots of lots of families who have children
• 36:53
  Speaker 16: that autism is a real disability. It's not something that's
• 36:57
  Speaker 16: picked up when they're an adult because they're a bit quirky,
• 37:00
  Speaker 16: or perhaps.
• 37:01
  Speaker 12: They're filters missing.
• 37:02
  Speaker 16: Sometimes you're just rude, but you know the fact that
• 37:05
  Speaker 16: they're trying to bundle this in with our kids. Most
• 37:08
  Speaker 16: of the am being diagnosed when they were two, if
• 37:10
  Speaker 16: not earlier, because they're completely nonverbal because of the issues
• 37:15
  Speaker 16: they have with communication and social interactions and sensory issues,
• 37:19
  Speaker 16: let alone most of them also experiencing an intellectual disability
• 37:22
  Speaker 16: along with it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 12: This is just insulting.
• 37:25
  Speaker 16: We see autism is so often the punching bag when
• 37:27
  Speaker 16: it comes to how big the ndis is. It is
• 37:30
  Speaker 16: people like this who have a very high functioning form
• 37:34
  Speaker 16: of autism. I hate the DSM five's new autism spectrum disorder.
• 37:39
  Speaker 12: Oh we're all on the spectrum. No we're not.
• 37:42
  Speaker 16: We all might have our old quirks. We all might
• 37:44
  Speaker 16: have little bits and pieces. I can tell you over
• 37:46
  Speaker 16: the years people have made the point I probably have
• 37:48
  Speaker 16: a bit of it, and I'm pretty sure with some
• 37:50
  Speaker 16: of the interviews I've done, and the lack of filter's
• 37:52
  Speaker 16: been there too. But I've been a federal senator. I'm
• 37:55
  Speaker 16: pretty high functioning. My son is at the complete other
• 37:58
  Speaker 16: end of the spectrum where it's a real disability. And
• 38:02
  Speaker 16: what happens is is people that are developing the NDAs,
• 38:05
  Speaker 16: that are developing supports for kids like ours, they.
• 38:08
  Speaker 12: Look at stuff like this and go, oh, well, autism's
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: not that bad. You know. Look, they could do a
• 38:14
  Speaker 12: podcast and it's so insulting.
• 38:17
  Speaker 16: And let me tell you, you know, I put a
• 38:20
  Speaker 16: post up about this and I turned the comments off
• 38:22
  Speaker 16: because the Keyboard Warriors who.
• 38:24
  Speaker 12: Were later in life diagnosed autistics that.
• 38:27
  Speaker 16: With their vile, vile insults and direct attacks from both
• 38:31
  Speaker 16: May and my son, I just thought, I don't need this.
• 38:33
  Speaker 16: I'm not condoning it, I'm not accepting it. The reality
• 38:36
  Speaker 16: is your autism is not in the same bailywik as
• 38:38
  Speaker 16: my son's, and this is just further assault in the
• 38:40
  Speaker 16: wound to those parents.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: But could you accept the argument like you're correct? The
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: ABC has said, oh, you know, the Grace Thames, she's autistic,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: she's found she found out that diagnosis, you know, later
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: in life, and that would that the presumption here from
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: the avc's that would make the right choice for the show.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Could she still be that if she's empathetic to the
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: sort of issues that you have raised. There's no reason
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: you know, anyone can be empathetic, can't they?
• 39:16
  Speaker 16: Well, I don't think Grace Tames certainly demonstrated a lot
• 39:19
  Speaker 16: of empathy when it comes to other issues, particularly her
• 39:22
  Speaker 16: denial of the rape of women on October seventh, that
• 39:26
  Speaker 16: even the ABC has now had.
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: To distance itself from her remarks.
• 39:30
  Speaker 16: She is not someone who has really done anything to
• 39:33
  Speaker 16: reflect our community.
• 39:34
  Speaker 12: And I'm talking about our community who.
• 39:36
  Speaker 16: Were diagnosed before this change in the DSM five that
• 39:39
  Speaker 16: allowed these people who might have had Aspergers or a
• 39:43
  Speaker 16: different diagnosis to all fall under the umbrella of Aughism
• 39:47
  Speaker 16: spectrum disorder.
• 39:48
  Speaker 12: It's not the same.
• 39:49
  Speaker 16: It doesn't impact them in the same way, and that's
• 39:52
  Speaker 16: completely obvious by the fact that they're not diagnosed until
• 39:55
  Speaker 16: so much later in life and are able to achieve
• 39:58
  Speaker 16: so many things. So this is what we're talking about
• 40:01
  Speaker 16: when the NDIS is meant for people with permanent and
• 40:04
  Speaker 16: lifelong disability that inhibits their ability to live a full life.
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  Speaker 16: Not you know, I'm a bit quirky and I may
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  Speaker 16: not have the appropriate social filters, but quite frankly, I
• 40:14
  Speaker 16: can also just be goddamn rude and inappropriate at official functions.
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  Speaker 12: It's just not She's not the right person.
• 40:21
  Speaker 16: And I can tell you, knowing what she's done in
• 40:23
  Speaker 16: her politics, she won't be reaching out to a mother
• 40:26
  Speaker 16: like me because it wouldn't go along with her lines
• 40:29
  Speaker 16: of what she wants to hear.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think her real credentials then are for
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: the ABC? Why did they pick her up? I mean,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I know that she posted some time ago that, you know,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: because of some of her controversial statements, that donations through
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: her charity had dried up, she had no income, Maybe
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: she was out for a job, maybe the ABC through
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: her late lifeline.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But what do you think her real credentials are as
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: far as the ABC are concerned?
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  Speaker 16: Well, really, one of the few times I've ever heard
• 41:05
  Speaker 16: of her speak outside of accepting the Australian for the
• 41:07
  Speaker 16: Year award was when she was screaming, you know, around
• 41:10
  Speaker 16: from Galligel to Gaza.
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  Speaker 12: So I'm not quite sure what her capabilities are.
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  Speaker 16: Autism in itself shows that you have a communication impairment,
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  Speaker 16: so that'll be an interesting part of whether or not
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  Speaker 16: that's part.
• 41:22
  Speaker 12: Of her autism.
• 41:24
  Speaker 16: Look, there are people that are now under this umbrella,
• 41:26
  Speaker 16: so I considered autistic.
• 41:28
  Speaker 12: They are not in the same Dailey week.
• 41:30
  Speaker 16: It's why I hate the new diagnosis in a way
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  Speaker 16: that a pits families against families because it is a
• 41:35
  Speaker 16: completely different experience. But last I checked, the one point
• 41:38
  Speaker 16: three billion dollars Australian taxpayers we're paying.
• 41:40
  Speaker 12: To the ABC was not for welfare payments.
• 41:43
  Speaker 16: When in signing violence against Israel gets your foundation running
• 41:47
  Speaker 16: out of donations.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's very well said. Look, I really appreciate your time.
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  Speaker 12: Thank you, thank you on behinf me.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Look there's a pleasure because now that that's great, I
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: know a number.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Look and that's right. Child sometimes issues.
• 42:14
  Speaker 16: At home, including the wonderful postmearing that's such a big
• 42:17
  Speaker 16: part of our kids' lives at a young age that
• 42:20
  Speaker 16: no one wants to talk about, but.
• 42:22
  Speaker 12: Is really part of the tough stuff that we all
• 42:23
  Speaker 12: go through.
• 42:24
  Speaker 16: And you know, our families don't have time to ring
• 42:27
  Speaker 16: up and complain and get on and they certainly don't
• 42:29
  Speaker 16: have time to do podcasts that willone listen to them.
• 42:32
  Speaker 16: So thank you so much for allowing some of our
• 42:34
  Speaker 16: voices to be here.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Holly not a problem and honestly, if the ABC does
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: the right thing in Sacks grace tame from this, from
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: this podcast. They would do a very good thing by
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: hiring you to do it instead, if you had the time. Holly,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: hu is great to talk to you again. Thank you
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: so much for your time after the break. Honestly, I
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: seem to live next to a cesspit that tells you
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: what can go wrong when you put the wrong politicians
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: in charge of a whole city.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: More after this, you know.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Honestly, how long have I been in Melbourne forty years?
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I mean I live outside Melbourne now. I couldn't stand
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: the city, but I can't believe how Victoria's almost collapsing socially.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: At least Melbourne is Melbourne in particular. I mean, the
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: state's got record youth chrome, appalling knife chrome, most of
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: us concentrated in Melbourne machetes. As you know, huge levels
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: of home invasions. I never saw that before when I
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: first came in. Never and now Melbourne is also the
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: car theft capital of Australia, the Insurance Council says. Get this,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: more insurance claims from stolen cars were lodged in Melbourne
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: last year than every other capital city combined.
• 43:53
  Speaker 17: It's not tenable that Australia's second largest capital city, has
• 43:58
  Speaker 17: won this prize and said seems to be not only
• 44:00
  Speaker 17: maintaining it, but actually extending their lead as the car
• 44:04
  Speaker 17: theft capital of Australia. From what we can see is
• 44:09
  Speaker 17: that the offenders of their arrest just return to the
• 44:12
  Speaker 17: streets rapidly and go and reoffend, and there's no deterrent.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: For doing it.
• 44:16
  Speaker 17: We've got to effectively in Melbourne a trained workforce and
• 44:20
  Speaker 17: now trained in stealing cars that are just doing this
• 44:24
  Speaker 17: night and day. In fact, every forty two minutes a
• 44:28
  Speaker 17: car has broken into or stolen in Victoria.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Join me scone you host, Caleb Bond. Caleb, thank you
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: so much for joining us. Honestly, I'm sitting here. I've witnesses.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: It's like the frog in the boiling water. Although I
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: must say I have been warning about Melburne's the Climb
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: for decades. It's not like it's suddenly, oh my god,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: what happened?
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: But I was asleep.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: But I don't know that many Melbourniers would know how
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Melbourne is perceived in other states. Looking at ag asked,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: what's going on? Or is it a question of total indifference?
• 45:04
  Speaker 12: Well?
• 45:04
  Speaker 13: I think that probably a lot of people in Melbourne
• 45:07
  Speaker 13: are quite aware of how they feel about their city,
• 45:10
  Speaker 13: and so it doesn't really matter what the rest of
• 45:12
  Speaker 13: the country thinks. They can see for themselves just how
• 45:15
  Speaker 13: bad things are. I mean, as you say, you fled
• 45:18
  Speaker 13: Melbourne to brighter pastures on the Mornington Peninsula. And I
• 45:23
  Speaker 13: did my eighteen months of penance in Melbourne, of course,
• 45:25
  Speaker 13: coming from Adelaide, and then did time in Melbourne. And
• 45:28
  Speaker 13: these days, as you can see behind me, I'm in Sydney,
• 45:31
  Speaker 13: and I have to say that I did enjoy my
• 45:34
  Speaker 13: time in Melbourne, but I could see the rot certainly
• 45:38
  Speaker 13: setting in by the time i'd left, because I got
• 45:40
  Speaker 13: to Melbourne before or actually the day that the last
• 45:44
  Speaker 13: lockdown began, so that was August I'm going to say
• 45:47
  Speaker 13: the fourth or fifth, twenty twenty one, and so that
• 45:51
  Speaker 13: was the final sort of two and a half month
• 45:53
  Speaker 13: lockdown that we went through. And the social decay and
• 45:58
  Speaker 13: the problems that all of that CAUs for Melbourne were
• 46:01
  Speaker 13: very obvious then and it has only become worse since
• 46:05
  Speaker 13: I lived in South Melbourne and around the corner from
• 46:08
  Speaker 13: me was a building that the state government had obviously
• 46:12
  Speaker 13: paid to put up a whole load of homeless people
• 46:15
  Speaker 13: and other types who weren't allowed to be out during COVID,
• 46:19
  Speaker 13: of course, because if you were out, you were breaking
• 46:21
  Speaker 13: the rules. So they put them all up in this
• 46:23
  Speaker 13: building and I had them constantly coming past my place,
• 46:27
  Speaker 13: you know, causing a nuisance. My car was broken into
• 46:30
  Speaker 13: twice in the time that I lived in Melbourne. I'm
• 46:33
  Speaker 13: lucky it wasn't stolen, given the numbers that we are
• 46:36
  Speaker 13: talking about. But it is so sad to see what
• 46:40
  Speaker 13: should be and is I believe a great city falling
• 46:44
  Speaker 13: in this manner with a government that seemingly doesn't want
• 46:48
  Speaker 13: to do anything about it. They say they're doing something
• 46:50
  Speaker 13: about it, but in reality they are doing nothing.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Look it's so strange.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, as that insurance council the guy said, you
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: can trace this back to political mismanagement, where you know,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: politicians appoint judges and magistrates that are terribly weak, have
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: a worldview, you know, redemption, redemption, Well, we can't be tough,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: and everything goes the pot and then there's a mass immigration,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: lack of integration. This is politically driven, a politically driven decline,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: and I just wonder, you know, yet victorians re elected
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: one of the guys most responsible.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: For it again and again Dan Andrews. I mean, how
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: does that compute, Well, it doesn't.
• 47:42
  Speaker 13: And of course he won the last state election which
• 47:45
  Speaker 13: I was there for in twenty twenty two, with an
• 47:48
  Speaker 13: extra seat, so they obviously thought the people of Victoria
• 47:52
  Speaker 13: that Daniel Andrews had done such a good job that
• 47:55
  Speaker 13: he deserved to be returned with an increased majority. It
• 47:59
  Speaker 13: was just extraordinary. Now, unfortunately for Jacinta Allen, she ain't
• 48:02
  Speaker 13: no Daniel Andrews. There are very few people in this
• 48:05
  Speaker 13: country who are as good at and effective at politics
• 48:09
  Speaker 13: and hoarding power as Daniel Andrews was, So she may
• 48:13
  Speaker 13: have a run for her money in the coalition, and
• 48:16
  Speaker 13: of course now one nation that we'll seek to take
• 48:18
  Speaker 13: them on. But the point you raise about the judiciary,
• 48:21
  Speaker 13: there was a case last week in Victoria which is
• 48:25
  Speaker 13: part of this bizarre bar wars thing that is now
• 48:29
  Speaker 13: going on, which follows on from the tobacco wars that
• 48:31
  Speaker 13: you've had. And there was a kid, sixteen year old
• 48:35
  Speaker 13: boy who had been with a number of other co
• 48:38
  Speaker 13: accused done for fire bombing a bar I think it
• 48:43
  Speaker 13: was bar Bambi.
• 48:44
  Speaker 18: And he walked and out he walked, and what a
• 48:47
  Speaker 18: week before that, incredibly a week before that, I've got
• 48:51
  Speaker 18: to go, let us, I've got to go.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: We'll do part two next week. Thank you, kles On,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: really appreciat your TIMEX to Sherry Marks and she's actually
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: got on Matt can Evan. I think he might have
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: something to say about Barnaby Joyce.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Good night