Latest / Best of Business / Chris Bishop: RMA Minister criticises the resource consent requirements impacting Auckland's Ikea

Transcript

Chris Bishop: RMA Minister criticises the resource consent requirements impacting Auckland's Ikea · Best of Business

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from news Talk zed B.
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 0:16
  Speaker 3: There's been a fair bit of attention over the weekend
• 0:19
  Speaker 3: on the resource consent requirements that IKEA had to meet
• 0:22
  Speaker 3: to build a Sylvia Park store.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 0:24
  Speaker 3: This included consulting with seven man of fennuware groups on
• 0:27
  Speaker 3: water and land management, and also inviting man Offena were
• 0:30
  Speaker 3: to perform Karakia and other cultural ceremonies on the site
• 0:33
  Speaker 3: at least three separate times. Chris Bishop is the minister
• 0:35
  Speaker 3: responsible for RMA reforming with us now, Hey Bush, Hello,
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: are you happy with us? Or you're going to change it?
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: Oh? I read it over the weekend from Simon Cord
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: who put it out, and I just thought, oh, jeepus creepers,
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: here we go again. Is this of the stuff that
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: drives people absolutely bonkers? Right? And it's exactly the reason
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: why we are ultimately repealing and replacing the RMA with
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: new legislation. It's the sort of red tape that just
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: gets in the way. It drives up the costs, makes
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: it too hard to do st in this country. Imagine
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: having to go through all that just to build an Ikea.
• 1:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, as David more It said, you know, this
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: is why we can't have nice things in New Zealand
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: and it's ridiculous.
• 1:11
  Speaker 3: Can you tell me what part of the RMA allows
• 1:14
  Speaker 3: this to happen.
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: There are sections of the RMA around engagement with Mana
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: Fenua and local ewi and cultural impact assessments and things
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: like that. There's a whole there's a whole suite of
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: pieces of legislation or pieces of the RMA that that
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: will allow this. But to be honest, councils go way
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: too far and people who grant them sents go way
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: too far on this stuff. So some of it is
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: authorized by the Act and we're changing the Act to
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: get rid of that. But it's also a cultural thing
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: where councils, you know, randomly add this stuff into resource.
• 1:48
  Speaker 3: So this is anl thing.
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: It's well, yeah, ultimately counsels are the ones who who
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: grant resource consents under the RMA, so it's but it's
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: fundamentally it's the authorizing statute and that's why we're changing it.
• 2:02
  Speaker 3: So if you change the RMA, how can you change
• 2:05
  Speaker 3: it to avoid Auckland Council just interpreting your future RMA
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: exactly like this.
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: So you've got to put in really strict guard rails
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: to actually prevent make it not legal to do those things.
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: And that's what Simon Court and I are going through
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: at the moment, where where you know, literally were are
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: donkey deep at the moment receiving you know, hundreds of
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: pieces of paper each and every week, going through making
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: detailed decisions around this stuff. And we are, I just
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: want to assure everyone listening, we are so keen and
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: clear on making the act simpler and making it easier
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: to do things, and we are just got an absolute
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: focus on stripping out the bureaucracy of the stuff. You
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: do need some things, but you know, as simple as possible.
• 2:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, But what of the things that you have seen
• 2:48
  Speaker 3: here with IKEA do you want to make sure cannot
• 2:51
  Speaker 3: happen under your new RMA.
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't think, for example, that it should be
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: you should be allowed to make it mandatory to invite
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: representatives of Manofenoa groups to engage in curR care on
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: sites that should not be a mandate tree resource consent
• 3:09
  Speaker 2: requirement before the commencement of earthworks or immediately prior to
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: completely What.
• 3:14
  Speaker 3: About what about having to consult with manta fena were
• 3:16
  Speaker 3: on things like erosion and sediment control measures, stormwater treatment
• 3:20
  Speaker 3: and planting.
• 3:21
  Speaker 2: Now, I don't think that should be required. I do
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: think I just want to stress I do think there
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: is a role for marfeno in the resource management process.
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: It's where, for example, you are affecting take for example,
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: a site of significance to the local the local EWI
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: for example, where they haven't an elder who's buried, or
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: a Camarto whose passed, or there was a par in
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: the past, or there was a battle ground those things.
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: I think most reasonable people would say, well, you actually
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: you should if you want to do something, you should
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: go and talk to the people affected by it. But
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: stuff like you know, stormwater treatment, planting, ecological enhancements. I'm
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: reading the resource and sent now, erosion and sediment control.
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: I mean that that is just standard operating. To see,
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: it's just there's just stuff that you do to build something,
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: go and talk to.
• 4:03
  Speaker 3: How do we get to this place that this is
• 4:05
  Speaker 3: a requirement. Manta fena will must be afforded access to
• 4:08
  Speaker 3: the site at their discretion. So they just basically say hey,
• 4:12
  Speaker 3: we want to come and have a look and everything
• 4:14
  Speaker 3: has to be stopped at the discretion they should be
• 4:16
  Speaker 3: allowed on. How did that happen?
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: Well, exactly, it's the RMA. I mean, it's just it's
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: the condition of the resource consent society.
• 4:26
  Speaker 3: Like the fact that this is the fact that an
• 4:28
  Speaker 3: authority like Auckland would decide that this has to be
• 4:31
  Speaker 3: in there says that we've gone quite far in our heads,
• 4:33
  Speaker 3: haven't we.
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean it's an unfortunate reality of the
• 4:38
  Speaker 2: world we live in and that's why we're changing it.
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: This government was elected to kind of get rid of
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: this sort of stuff and that's what we're going to do.
• 4:43
  Speaker 3: Hey, as Minister of Housing, what are you going to
• 4:44
  Speaker 3: do about the maybe hundreds of thousands of homes that
• 4:46
  Speaker 3: have not met the healthy home standard ahead of tomorrow.
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: Well, that the law is the law. People have got
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: to crack on and get on with it. The good
• 4:55
  Speaker 2: news is most people have followed the law you're.
• 5:00
  Speaker 3: Looking at, because some of those those surveys that were
• 5:02
  Speaker 3: in the papers yesterday said the vast majority haven't.
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well a lot you know, a lot of landlords
• 5:08
  Speaker 2: have have moved heaven on Earth over the last four
• 5:11
  Speaker 2: or five years to comply, but my missage Lands who
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: heaven us get on with it.
• 5:16
  Speaker 3: Good on you, hey, thank you very much, Chris, I
• 5:17
  Speaker 3: really appreciate it. Chris Bishop, Minister responsible for RAMA Reform,
• 5:21
  Speaker 3: also Housing Minister
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: For more from News Talks ed B Listen live on
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio