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Inept Buffoonery with Ashley Kuenzi · Crosstabs

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  SPEAKER_00: You guys are what my generation calls certified yappers.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're clear to engage.
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  SPEAKER_02: Time on target.
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  SPEAKER_02: Five miles.
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  SPEAKER_03: OK, I do want to talk about I have a big prediction.
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  SPEAKER_03: I just want to I've been putting this in.
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  SPEAKER_03: I've been texting people today.
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  SPEAKER_03: There was a bunch of news that broke the like the prognosticators moved the
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  SPEAKER_03: Wisconsin Senate from lean to toss up.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's been multiple polls showing that Michigan U.S.
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  SPEAKER_03: Senate race is in play.
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  SPEAKER_03: So here's my prediction for the 2024 election right now.
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  SPEAKER_03: And Harris just did her 60 minute interviews.
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  SPEAKER_03: They were hilariously bad.
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  SPEAKER_03: She owns a Glock, which is like an illegal firearm to own in California.
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  SPEAKER_03: Quite interesting.
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  SPEAKER_03: All kinds of great stuff in these interviews.
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  SPEAKER_01: She doesn't live in California, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: She lives in D.C.
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  SPEAKER_01: with those other snobs.
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  SPEAKER_03: She's she's, quote unquote, owned it for a while and is the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_03: senator from California.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I'm I'm saying that she bought it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think she keeps it to keep protection from her husband because, you know, I hear he's a beater.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, there's a lot of there's a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot being said about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Doug is way too baited to be a beater.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's no way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Did you see that article?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: Megyn Kelly talked about it on her podcast at Nauseam,
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  SPEAKER_01: that ex-girlfriend that he beat up in Paris or something.
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  SPEAKER_03: Brian is totally a Megyn Kelly listener.
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  SPEAKER_03: I didn't have that.
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  SPEAKER_03: That makes so much sense now that you just said that.
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  SPEAKER_03: I like Megyn Kelly, too.
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  SPEAKER_03: I just don't have time to listen to her podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm a ruthless guy.
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  SPEAKER_03: But they all do crossovers all the time.
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  SPEAKER_03: So anyway, here's my prediction based on all this news.
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  SPEAKER_02: Predict away.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think Trump wins president.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think even though they've adjusted the polls some, they're still undercounting in states.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like in Wisconsin, the reason that race is in play, the reason Michigan is in play, both of the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_03: Senate candidates are saying their internal polling shows Trump
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  SPEAKER_03: Winning their states, even though the public polling shows Harris winning.
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  SPEAKER_03: And usually when you're a U.S.
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  SPEAKER_03: Senate candidate sounding the alarm about your presidential candidate,
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  SPEAKER_03: that means,
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  SPEAKER_03: hey,
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  SPEAKER_03: get off your butt in my state so that you can help me win,
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  SPEAKER_03: because if you don't win,
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm going to lose,
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  SPEAKER_03: too.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's exactly what that's about.
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  SPEAKER_03: So then you have between 52 and 54 Senate seats going for the Republicans because it's 51-49 right now.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're going to win West Virginia, Ohio, Montana, okay?
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  SPEAKER_03: Because Ohio has been moving Republicans the whole way.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's moved down minus 13 to even.
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  SPEAKER_03: It'll be red one or two points by the end of this thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: So they're going to have 52 to 54 Senate seats.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're going to be able to confirm Trump appointees to the Cabinet.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're going to be able to confirm Trump judges, okay?
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  SPEAKER_03: On the flip side,
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  SPEAKER_03: purely because Americans love divided government,
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  SPEAKER_03: which they do,
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  SPEAKER_03: and because Republicans were such a mess for so many months,
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  SPEAKER_03: these are going to narrowly control the House.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't think they'll win Laurie Chavez Dreamer's seat,
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  SPEAKER_03: but they're going to be like Joe Canton Washington.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're going to be Don Bacon in Nebraska.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's a couple of these seats that are all going to flip.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's going to be like they're going to have the same slim majority that Republicans had,
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  SPEAKER_03: like three to five seats.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's my prediction.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because I think if you're a voter, you go, I want Trump's policies.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you want a U.S.
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  SPEAKER_03: Senate.
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  SPEAKER_03: I want Trump's judges.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you want the Senate and Trump.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't I want to be able to stop the crazy stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you do that with a slim Democrat House majority.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's easy to do.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's my prediction.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's what I think will happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that supposed to be groundbreaking?
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if it's groundbreaking.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of evidence for it.
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  SPEAKER_03: So a lot of other people could possibly come to that conclusion.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do like your thoughts on the Senate stuff because I think that's probably telling.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I got a really good friend of mine who's a Montana Cattlemen's Association in Montana.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he says he is going to wipe the floor in Montana.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that one's off the table.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like that one's done.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Nevada looks pretty good.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think there's still some work to do there, but I think Arizona, you know, is possible.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you got, like you said, the blue wall does not look very good right now for Democrats.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's, I think, shaky at best in the blue wall right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And knowing that, I mean, really all you need is Sheehy, Montana, because you're winning...
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  SPEAKER_01: West Virginia.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that locks you up, you know, and Cruz is having a, but Texas is always going to go Republican.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he won by what, 3% last time, 4%.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was closer than he thought.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I think with Sheehy winning, I mean, that gives you control.
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  SPEAKER_01: And like you said, there's three or four more seats in play.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think they've got an easy shot.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're saying they're telling their members this was an Axios a couple of days ago.
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  SPEAKER_03: They said 52 for sure with the chance of some others.
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  SPEAKER_03: So they're in turn.
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  SPEAKER_03: They just believe they're going to continue to march these seats.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you see that with McConnell's people.
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  SPEAKER_03: These guys are professionals.
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  SPEAKER_03: They know what they're doing.
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  SPEAKER_03: They targeted Montana and Ohio and they spent early there because they're
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  SPEAKER_03: They know the way the state should vote,
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  SPEAKER_03: and they're just working on moving the voters slowly but surely where they're
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  SPEAKER_03: supposed to go,
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  SPEAKER_03: right?
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  SPEAKER_03: So it's good stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Good candidates, too, this year.
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  SPEAKER_01: They do.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think in the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: Senate, they're all really good candidates, I think.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the difference, I think, on some level.
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  SPEAKER_03: Except for Carrie Lake in Arizona.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but they didn't want her.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think she just wedged her way in there and just couldn't get...
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  SPEAKER_01: Arizona does some weird stuff on their statewide candidates.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the oddest thing sometimes.
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  SPEAKER_01: They get such great...
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  SPEAKER_01: House and state Senate, you know, people and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they got some great leaders there.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then you and then congressionals are good.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then they get for some reason they crazy governors and Senate candidates, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: And look, we all went to Arizona.
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  SPEAKER_03: So now we're experts on Arizona politics.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know.
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  SPEAKER_03: So here's the thing, though.
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  SPEAKER_03: I do think like both establishment and the MAGA people have both screwed this up
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  SPEAKER_03: because Ducey sent McSally to the Senate twice.
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  SPEAKER_03: She got beat twice.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then Carrie Lake ran for governor, barely lost.
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  SPEAKER_03: Could have won that election, although she didn't have the headwinds.
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  SPEAKER_03: She had headwinds coming at her because we didn't have a red wave in 22.
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  SPEAKER_03: In a lot of the polling right now, she's getting completely demolished.
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  SPEAKER_03: And if that happens, I think that's really going to hurt her credibility.
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  SPEAKER_03: We also had Kelly Ward, who ran for, I think, U.S.
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  SPEAKER_03: Senate and then ran the party there into the ground.
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  SPEAKER_03: We heard that from folks on the ground who were like, party used to be great.
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  SPEAKER_03: Not so great anymore.
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  SPEAKER_03: but yeah so turning to Oregon news we have with us our wonderful Oregon news
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  SPEAKER_03: contributor is that what you call him when they go to like the journalist out in
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  SPEAKER_03: the out on the street what is the name what's his name for that Ashley you know man
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  SPEAKER_01: on the street reporter woman on the street I should know but I actually don't know
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  SPEAKER_00: but
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  SPEAKER_00: I do think that I'm the first repeat friend of the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
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  SPEAKER_00: Congratulations.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm wondering when I get a cut of you guys' big profits from this podcast.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_03: I can send you a check right now, actually, for the $0 that we make.
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  SPEAKER_03: What percentage of that do you want, Ashley?
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  SPEAKER_03: It's totally up to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you for having me on.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm happy to be back.
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  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_03: So we're hoping that you can run us through.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_03: We could almost do the podcast daily at this point with how much news there is, even just for Oregon.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_03: We're not going to daily, at least not yet, but when we get a sponsor.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: I need to just start recording my phone calls with people because those are like
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  SPEAKER_01: podcasts talking about news going on right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just crazy.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was kind of a flat September too, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: From a news cycle stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: It would seem very.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would say that we maybe have our first October surprise and that's the Bynum story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do we want to talk about that first?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So give us the details on the Bynum story and then I want to,
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  SPEAKER_03: I want Brian's reaction and I will,
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  SPEAKER_03: I will react as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: I've got some great, great bits.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't wait for the bits.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yes,
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  SPEAKER_00: we've got a story involving Janelle Bynum,
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  SPEAKER_00: who is currently running for Congress against incumbent Laura Chavez-Dreamer.
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  SPEAKER_00: We all know this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Recently,
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  SPEAKER_00: Fox News reported on some harassment claims from her 2022 campaign staff,
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  SPEAKER_00: who was technically employed by Future PAC,
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  SPEAKER_00: the House Democrats' campaign arm.
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  SPEAKER_00: A former staffer accused Bynum of ignoring reports of assault by another campaign staffer.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's denying it.
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  SPEAKER_00: One quote that I thought was actually wild was from the Congressional Black Caucus
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  SPEAKER_00: PAC Senior Advisor,
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  SPEAKER_00: and he said,
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  SPEAKER_00: Future PAC and Oregon Speaker of the House Julie Fahey ought to take responsibility
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  SPEAKER_00: for the alleged HR failures in their organization.
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  SPEAKER_00: We won't tolerate politically convenient blame shifting on the only Black woman in the state house.
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  SPEAKER_00: As a mother, small business owner, and dedicated public servant, da-da-da-da-da.
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  SPEAKER_00: I hadn't seen any other blame shifting from Janelle to the leaders of the future
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  SPEAKER_00: PAC from any other Democrats.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I thought that was really interesting and potentially puts Fahey and Rayfield
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  SPEAKER_00: kind of in a pickle because they were both controlling the PAC at the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what do you guys think?
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  SPEAKER_00: Will this fade away?
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  SPEAKER_00: Will it impact the race?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is Rule 27 going to work?
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  SPEAKER_00: What's going on?
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  SPEAKER_01: You packaged in a lot right there.
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  SPEAKER_01: First, I'll take your last question first.
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  SPEAKER_01: Rule 27 is a...
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  SPEAKER_01: Abject failure and a joke.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'll take that one first.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've walked through Rule 27, so I know this firsthand.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's become a tool of the left to either basically get rid of people they don't like.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then they use it now.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's clear that they've obviously used it as a tool.
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  SPEAKER_01: to sweep shit under the rug and i think that's uh so from a rule 27 standpoint it's
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  SPEAKER_01: a joke i mean the the legislative equity officer makes like 200 grand a year you
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  SPEAKER_01: know to literally hold one meeting a year where you go in and you're told you know
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  SPEAKER_01: what you're supposed to say and not say to people i mean it's just it's completely
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  SPEAKER_01: stupid
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was a knee-jerk reaction to the Me Too movement.
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  SPEAKER_01: We all know where it came from, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So there needed to be some kickback in the Me Too movement stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I always go back to a commercial rant in 2020 with one Senator Tim Canope that said,
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  SPEAKER_01: you can't fix problems until you start believing the victims,
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  SPEAKER_01: right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And, and that was about with the me too movement and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, and, and I believe that to be the case here, because apparently buying them.
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  SPEAKER_01: didn't care to believe the victim and just said, not my problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: Somebody else deal with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then they just got pushed away.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I, I, I hope this doesn't go away.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hope this sticks to her like glue.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hope that it drowns her campaign and,
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  SPEAKER_01: and a horrible cesspool of,
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: of media where they're finally seem to be waking up and knowing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I hope you're right that this is an October surprise that ends their campaign because it should.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's my take.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, rule.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're totally right about that.
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  SPEAKER_03: I will address the rule 27 thing first.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: If ever there was a rule created to do its best to be leveraged,
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  SPEAKER_03: however leadership wants it to be leveraged is basically what happens.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because when there's a bipartisan disagreement on or there's a partisan
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  SPEAKER_03: disagreement on it,
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  SPEAKER_03: it just goes away.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's no way to bring accountability.
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  SPEAKER_03: So what ends up happening is whenever there's a complaint against Democrats and
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  SPEAKER_03: Democrats want to protect their person,
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  SPEAKER_03: they can.
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  SPEAKER_03: And when they don't,
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_03: like when Valderrama complained against Diego Hernandez,
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  SPEAKER_03: they throw him out of the building and then literally replace him with Valderrama.
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  SPEAKER_03: That is the wildest thing to me.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's like Diego Hernandez, you know, did he do all those things?
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_03: It sure seems like it's possible that he did.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_03: OK, I have no way of knowing that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Assuming he did, it's wild to replace the person who did the acts with the victim in the legislature.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's the strangest, weirdest power play I have ever seen.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's like a clear case where you can say Rule 27 was abused, 100%.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because justice is literally you replace one state representative with the person that they hurt.
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  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't make sense to me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Both of them needed to be moved out of the process pretty clearly, right?
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_03: And then the rest of this,
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  SPEAKER_03: it's like if you have a legitimate complaint and the person you complain against is
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  SPEAKER_03: powerful enough,
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  SPEAKER_03: we're just going to bury it.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're just going to make it so you can't move forward.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, yeah, Rule 27 is such a mess.
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  SPEAKER_03: Democrats won't fix it because they don't want it to be used against them.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: Diego Hernandez thing I think is very relevant to this point because I think you
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  SPEAKER_01: bring up a really good historical topic because you had the person who accused him
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  SPEAKER_01: and then he flat out denied it.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: Never really got his due in court on any level, right?
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there were some – we were all in COVID.
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  SPEAKER_01: Remember,
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: it was all COVID,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then he'd have to do a Zoom,
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: and then he would get on there,
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  SPEAKER_01: and he was denied.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then all of a sudden, he just quit, and then it went away.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then, boom, she was appointed to replace him.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if that is not shady on some historic level –
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, except for maybe the secretary of state taking bags of cash.
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  SPEAKER_01: But outside of that,
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's about the shadiest thing you can think of that that literally replaced the
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  SPEAKER_01: person and they just moved them out.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this was some rising star in the Democratic Party and they just dumped him.
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, and, and then he just went away.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: He's probably working for an NGO right now, which I would have executive director.
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  SPEAKER_03: Do not misunderstand me.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm not defending Diego Hernandez and I'm not talking about you guys.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm saying the people on the internet, I'm not defending him whatsoever.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_03: My dad called for Jeff Cruz to resign when that was an unpopular thing to do,
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  SPEAKER_03: especially among Republicans.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_03: I wasn't working for him then, but I wrote an op-ed saying Jeff Cruz needed to resign.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_03: I got, I got responses to that.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um,
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  SPEAKER_03: We should, in a case where a victim has a legitimate situation, it needs to be dealt with.
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  SPEAKER_03: And there needs to be accountability and all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm not saying Diego Hernandez was innocent.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm saying that everything that happened after he got removed, after he had to resign, was...
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_03: frankly very weird and shouldn't have happened that way right but they leveraged it
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: balderrama basically leveraged it to get what she wanted right i think it's why
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: everyone's scared of her in the legislature in the sense that they won't deal with
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: her they don't want to put her in a position of influence and they don't want to
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_03: deal with her
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, I would never be in a room alone with her ever.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: You'll never find me in a room alone with her.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: Why would I ever?
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I would already have a target on my back, but I would never.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Matter of fact, I've never been in a Democrat with a Democrat legislator in a room alone.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: I won't do it.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: So now to Bynum.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_03: So one of my favorite things about this complaint and we'll put in the show notes,
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_03: we'll put the Fox News story and then a story from Coyne saying that she's denying
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_03: the Fox story.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_03: And I want to get.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_03: to the journalism stuff of this because somebody was like,
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_03: oh,
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_03: this is the Republicans are trying to smear Janelle Bynum.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_03: Well, the original complaint was filed by the campaign manager for Jamie McLeod Skinner.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_03: So,
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_03: yes,
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_03: clearly the well-known Republican Jamie McLeod Skinner is trying to smear Democrat
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_03: Janelle Bynum.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_03: And then, well, it's dropping in October.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because no one wrote about it because the journalists aren't doing their jobs.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_03: They should be doing a deep dive
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_03: on Bynum.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_03: And so then finally the Republicans say, okay, then we're just going to ask Fox to print it.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_03: And Fox has journalist standards too.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_03: I think people misunderstand the commentating and the journalism.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_03: Like they have a journalism wing.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_03: They follow the journalist code and all that stuff, right?
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_03: So they have standards.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like they'll just print oppo.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_03: So here's the text between the campaign manager that works for FuturePAC,
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_03: and Bynum were the thing that blew me away.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: So here it is.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_03: I asked you not to send me anything,
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_03: and I meant that,
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_03: Bynum says in a November 17th text in response to a warning from a former campaign
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: manager about the staffer harassing women associated with the campaign.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_03: Quote, I really can't take anything else on my plate.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_03: That's a campaign ender right there.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_03: When you've been told sexual harassment has occurred and nothing has been done,
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: I really don't have space for that on my plate.
• 17:35
  Hmm.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I would say that's a character flaw.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_03: The campaign manager continued to press the issue, feeling strongly about this.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: So the campaign manager says,
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: well,
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_03: as unfortunate as this may be for you,
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not sitting by while someone like this gets off scot-free,
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_03: treating young women abusively like that.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: He says if he gets a job down there referring to Salem,
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: this won't be the last you hear of it,
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_03: I promise.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_03: Bynum responds, are you threatening me?
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_03: So Bynum making it clear that this is about her,
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_03: not the person who is reporting the harassment,
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_03: not the person who is harmed by being harassed.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_03: But no, this is about her if she's being threatened.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_03: I do love that the campaign manager responds, whoa, easy there.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: That's a great text right there.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: It does tell you that this is a real tech stream because that really,
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: they're printing it verbatim,
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: So that means that they definitely, and their oppo.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: They have the screenshots.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: And who cares if it was Jamie McLeod Skinner's oppo?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, does it matter where the oppo came from?
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's the funny thing about what you're doing.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, it doesn't matter where the oppo comes from.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's oppo.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's out there.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: the last text quote I'll consider reporting your actions Bynum responded which I
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_03: read as a threat back to the campaign manager basically which you know what's not
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: allowed under the rule 27 law retaliation against someone who reports sexual
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: harassment okay so awesome of course the Leo got this and dismissed it making sure
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_03: to know that and to tell Janelle Bynum because they work for her that you are not
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: being investigated
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: I read that in the Capitol Chronicle story.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: And they won't print the name of the staffer,
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_03: the campaign manager,
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: because they think his story has credibility issues,
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: which I find to be,
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: frankly,
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_03: ridiculous.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: What if we just reported the facts and then let the readers decide if they're credible or not?
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_03: But no, the paper's going to make that determination.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: This is the crux of the whole story, is that Bynum, in my mind, this is the failure of leadership.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: in my mind with Bynum on this issue.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: So it's obviously she did not do any abusing.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: She was not condoning the abusing or anything like that.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: But as a state representative,
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: as a leader,
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: you have a responsibility when somebody comes to you and says,
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: hey,
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: so-and-so is acting inappropriately or doing whatever it is.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: You have a responsibility to deal with that and to keep your employees safe.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: And your volunteers, like you have a responsibility.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: And that was the abject failure of Bynum to basically tell this person, screw off.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: And if you, I don't have time to waste for on that stuff.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's not my problem.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where I really feel the failure,
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: the true failure of this,
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: the heart of this story is she doesn't care.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the whole point of Rule 27 is it's supposed to,
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: it was supposed to,
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: in Jeff Cruz's standpoint,
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: because that guy needed to go and he was a horrible person.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, good riddance.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I was glad that that happened.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: But the whole point is you've got to treat people better.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's the point of Rule 27.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's the goal we're trying to get to.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: is how do you treat people a little bit better?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: And as leaders,
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: as state representatives and state senators,
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: you're supposed to be the pinnacle of that leadership.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: You're supposed to be leaders.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: And here she's a failure,
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: and therefore she should not win,
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: and she should be out of Oregon politics and go away.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_03: Also,
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_03: last thing I'll say,
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_03: if you think back to your Rule 27 training,
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_03: because we have a lot of staff that listen to this.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: We have a lot of electeds that listen to this.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_03: We have a lot of lobbyists that listen to this.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: All of them are required to take Rule 27 training.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_03: One of the few things I recall from the Rule 27 training, legislators are mandatory reporters.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_03: And you're not a mandatory reporter when you're on duty.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: You're a mandatory reporter all the time.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: That's true for teachers.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's true for every other kind of state employee that is a mandatory reporter.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_03: She received something.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: She was mandatorily required to report.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: And as far as I can tell, didn't report it.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's another significant failure.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, it's important to clarify.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: Bynum probably doesn't have control over the staff.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: from the sense that she doesn't have...
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: Because when you don't have somebody's paycheck,
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: when you don't control their paycheck,
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_03: you don't directly control them.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_03: She might be supervising them on behalf of Future Pack.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: They might be in-kinded.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_03: That blurs the lines a little bit.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: But I would say that accountability lies with Future Pack, right?
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: For Bynum, though, you're required to tell them you need to do something about this.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_03: This person needs to be done on my campaign, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_03: And she didn't take those actions.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_03: And that's like the real failure.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's not that she's necessarily condoning the abuse.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_03: I do think it's unfortunate and really sad that her first thought was about how it
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_03: impacted her and not the person who was harassed.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_03: But overall, really just frankly, sad and embarrassing.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: Ashley, is there news about another state?
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_03: departments or several of them that is not embarrassing oh gosh well i mean the dmv
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: has been the shining star of state uh well let's do that one agency well but but
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: one more thing i just want to point out that coin six news is hosting a debate
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: tonight between bynum and dreamer so that would be uh perfect i'll tweet it out
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: because this probably won't be edited in time for tonight depending on well i might
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_03: have time to do it that's the must watch debate at this point
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_03: One, if they don't ask a question about it, complete failure by the moderators, 100%.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_03: But if Chavez Dreamer gets one question,
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_03: for my one question would be,
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_03: why didn't you mandatorily report the sexual harassment that allegedly occurred on
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: your campaign?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: Game ender.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's an hour.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: Ken Boddy, I believe, is one of the main.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know who else is moderating with him.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't the KTVZ.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Which one is this one tonight?
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: No, this is this is coin six news.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they have KTVZ coming up, too.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: So you got a couple of good opportunities for this.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: So the Oregon DMV we found out yesterday afternoon.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: found 302 more people who were erroneously added to voter rolls.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: This time they were people born in American Samoa,
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: which that means they're not American citizens,
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: but they are residents of an American territory.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: The governor put out a press release with the Secretary of State
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: basically saying two things.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: Number one, there's going to be a full independent external audit of the program.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: And number two, the program is now paused, the motor voter program.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of a 30-foot view of the situation, but just keeps getting worse.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_03: So there was a great tweet from a guy on on Twitter named Terry Harris,
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_03: and he said to reduce the confusion in the future,
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_03: they should be called almost American Samoa,
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: which I thought was really good.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_03: Well,
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_03: so I think one of the things I love about this,
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_03: and I keep meaning to do it and haven't done it yet,
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_03: Secretary LaVaughn Griffin-Vallad,
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: someone needs to go pull her press release and her original speech from when she
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_03: came in to bring accountability to this agency.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_03: Because she's done none of it.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like, it is embarrassing.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah,
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_03: she's not out there,
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: doing crimes and taking,
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_03: bags of cash from LaMotta to consult from them on the side.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: She's doing a terrible job as secretary of state.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_03: She's doing like in terms of if you're if you're going to rank them,
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_03: you go Shamia Fagan,
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_03: first worst secretary of state.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_03: Griffin Vlad, second worst secretary of state.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it is incredible how bad she is at this job.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_03: And literally the only thing she was brought in to do was not cause controversies.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: right because they pick somebody who wasn't running they pick somebody who didn't
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_03: have a stake in any of this stuff they accidentally pick someone so aloof they
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_03: don't even know what they're doing in their own job okay those two on the heels
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: those two on the heels of the third war secretary state that we had i mean think
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: about it you know dennis richard said where are you dennis we miss you dennis
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: So the other thing about this that I think is funny is when we had the hearing,
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_03: one of the things that they brought out when asked the question about what
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_03: protections were in place to prevent this from happening or what protections is,
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_03: oh,
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_03: we have a really great manual.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_03: which I thought was a very bad answer.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: And had I been on that committee, I would have followed up on that a little bit.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I got some bad news about the manual.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's the one, this manual says that American Samoans are US citizens.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_03: Now, I'm not an expert.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_03: If you just hired me at DNV,
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: if you hire a random person and you say,
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_03: hey,
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_03: is a person born in American Samoa,
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: a US territory,
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: a citizen?
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, like every other territory, okay?
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's not their fault.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's the fault of the people who wrote the manual to double check if all of these
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_03: territories make you an American citizen.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_03: One of the other things we learned is that they knew about the original DMV issue
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_03: for six weeks before they informed the Secretary of State.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: Six weeks.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: And they were in that committee hearing being like,
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_03: we just want to make it clear that we brought this to the attention as soon as we
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: found out.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: No, you did not.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_03: You spent six weeks finding out if you could cover your butt effectively enough first.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_03: And then you brought it to the Secretary of State.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_03: And then one of my favorite things about this is this story hits about the same
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: time the governor does a press release about the after action report for the first one.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_03: So it's very clear that they knew when this story was going out because they're like,
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_03: hmm,
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_03: governor,
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_03: which also I haven't got this question answered yet.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_03: Ashley, maybe you can get it answered.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_03: The press release says it came from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know why the governor was in Pennsylvania when this was released, but.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway,
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_03: her press release says one of the things that she's directed to do,
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: which I think is what Drazen called on them to do,
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: stop transmitting data from the DMV to the Secretary of State until we know if
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_03: these people are citizens,
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_03: if we can verify the data.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_03: It's incredible it took that long.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: They're like, okay, second scandal, just shut off the data now.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's time to stop.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's like the decisions that they should have made the first time don't actually
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_03: happen until the second or third time they get embarrassed,
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_03: which is why Republicans...
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: have to continue to harp on this stuff.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like sometimes a lot of people think we're broken records.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: It's because we have to yell repeatedly on this stuff before action actually takes
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: place because we don't control any of these levers of government.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_03: We barely have had any oversight on these agencies for literal decades.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_03: And they don't they hardly even do oversight when there are actual scandals.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_03: They usually bury them.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_03: They usually don't have a hearing.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: I have some credit to Democrats,
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_03: especially my good friend,
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: Majority Leader Bowman,
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: for even having a hearing on the issue,
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_03: which is not something a lot of his predecessors would have done.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, that's my rant.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: sounds like the full scale data integrity review is what they're calling it is set
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: to be completed by the end of the year.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: So.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be really interested to see what comes from that.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: And don't we now, now that we're on, we're literally have an election coming up.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: So wouldn't it be prudent
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: To see like to do a full scale review of who's going to vote in this election to
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: like just say you know what we're going to go ahead and add this election to the
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: mix and really try to get a clear understanding of who's voting in Oregon and why
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: and I mean I don't know geez if I was a.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: If you're Governor Kotick, maybe you just say, here's what I'm going to do.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: Griffin, you just need to step down.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: You're fired.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: I can't fire you.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: You should just go away.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: And Tobias, we'll just appoint you now.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll just move forward so you can start getting things under control because it's just horrible.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're Tobias or if you're Dennis Lithicum on the outskirts of this,
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why they're not harping.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: you know, hard on it.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I haven't even seen an email from Senator Lithicum on the issue.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I find it,
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: maybe he just thinks it's par for the course,
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: but I feel like if there's any opportunity,
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: for a Republican to win this, this secretary of state's race.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just think about the abject failures coming out of this office over the last couple of years.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it is atrocious.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: to,
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: it's just,
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: you can't even,
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: you couldn't even,
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: if you would have said two years ago,
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: this is what was going to happen in the secretary of state's office.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: There's no way you could have predicted it.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, we all thought she'd be a fag and be governor.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, within after Kotex done, right?
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, she was on that.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: She was on the projection.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, she even got a tattooed on her arm vote.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, and just that failure.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then LaVon Griffin, I don't even know who she is.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: she wouldn't even show up for the hearing at the Capitol,
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: which is instead she was touring the Multnomah County Elections Office,
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: which is just tells you what her give a shit is.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: in regards to what's going on in oregon voters and and you're right reagan we
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: republicans we do seem like broken records but guess what we seem to be right
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because the records are broken.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're just, I mean, these agencies are just, they're just out of control.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: And this is just one of many, many things.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: And we can go through ODA.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: We could go through DEQ.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: We could go through every single state government agency happening in Oregon right now.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I guarantee we could find failure after failure after employment department failure after failure.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: And didn't they say that these guys got their software system, they got it fixed just like that.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: It was so great.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: We got it done in no time and in the hearing.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: And we were sitting there laughing because we were like,
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: oh,
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: maybe you should go fix the employment department's software.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, apparently they got that wrong too.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_03: I would I mean,
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_03: at this point,
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_03: someone should ask the employment department if they're giving,
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_03: only stuff that they're supposed to give to U.S.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: citizens.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, like you could just go down the line at this point.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't really like to engage in this stuff.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_03: But now you basically need to go back and check.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_03: OK, have we removed all the dead voters?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_03: Is all of that data being transmitted properly?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: Have we removed all the voters that have moved to other states?
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_03: Has that data been transmitted properly?
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: Are we making sure that we aren't sending to people at multiple addresses?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: I get that one all the time.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, I want to be able to tell people that our elections are secure.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_03: But when they get two ballots, they don't think it's secure.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's the problem is, yes, not everybody knows that the barcode is going to cancel out the other ballot.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: And they're just saying we've been too loosey goosey for too long.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's time to rate it in.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_03: I called I called Secretary of State.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_03: and um odot and dmv in a tweet inept buffoonery that's what this is i don't think
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_03: it's malicious but it is inept buffoonery and i i like your i like your thing brian
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_03: i wish i'd tweeted that before that that levon griffin needs to step down and
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_03: governor should appoint tobias reed uh maybe she won't she still holds a grudge
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_03: from the primary because uh but it's the right thing to do on what planet well
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: besides earth because it's the only planet where there's people but um
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: In Oregon, we're going into an election with crazy election buffoonery.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: Is that the word, the coin term?
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's a great word.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: Next week, ballots are coming out.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: And on what level are we going to trust an election if all of a sudden we see,
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: votes drop in at two thirty in the morning in Multnomah County?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: What happens when we see some of this stuff,
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: this buffoonery happening when there's zero trust in the agency that's supposed to
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: be in control of our voting records,
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: like zero trust?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's I don't even know what the make of it from a campaign perspective.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel like we should just file lawsuits now.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_03: If I were Dennis Linthicum, I would file a lawsuit.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_03: If I were Will Lathrop, I would file a lawsuit.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: If I were Dan Rayfield, I would file a lawsuit.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I would do.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_03: Because all of the levers of power here are moving so slow.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they emphasized the speed in this hearing.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_03: And then we found out six weeks.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: And they're like,
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: oh,
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: well,
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_03: we'll refer any cases we need to to the Attorney General's office as we're supposed to.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: When?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_03: In December?
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: When are they going to be referred?
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's just incredible.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: The last thing I have on this story is,
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: and you brought up the point about people moving out of state and stuff,
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: and we do a lot of texting on our campaigns,
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: And we get responses back from people when we record it.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: There are so many people that reply back, I don't even live in Oregon anymore.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: and i got guess where i got their phone number from their voting record yeah you
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: know their voter registration file so they're still registered to vote in oregon
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: and the replying back i guess when i send out i bet it's for every 5 000 text
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: messages i bet i get
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: five to eight that reply back i don't even live in oregon anymore somewhere in that
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: realm and those are the people that actually took time to reply back and say you
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: know i don't even live there anymore so um i i think there's a huge problem in our
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: voter rolls i think it's uh it's horrible it's been horrible and this is just
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: another reason why it's time for republicans
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just glad the clerks count the ballots.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's why we can't centralize this power with the Secretary of State's office.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_03: You have to be able to trust at least that locally your votes are being counted
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_03: correctly in Crook County,
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_03: in Linn County,
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_03: in some of these other counties.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: And keep these folks accountable.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like we should probably start to move on from this topic.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: But before we found out about any of the issues with motor voter at the DMV a month ago,
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: The week before that,
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Senator Bonham had asked me to reach out to the Secretary of State's office and
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: just ask for what their process generally is or what you were talking about,
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Reagan removing duplicates,
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: routinely taking off deceased voters,
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: people who have moved away in recent times.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: I reached out to one of their main people in their office and she says,
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to need to get back to you on that.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: ends up emailing me and says, yeah, this is going to take me some time to put together.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: Still, ever since then, have not heard a word.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: And the fact that they don't even have a one sheet for me to generally explain what
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: they do on a regular basis,
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: just to make sure that things are up to date is really,
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: what did you call it?
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Some sort of
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: Bafoonery.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: Bafoonery.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Bafoonery.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because that should be a normal process anyway.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_03: The new name of this episode, by the way, is Bafoonery.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: I was just going to say that's still our title of the episode.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: Other states are doing all of these things to make sure that their voter rolls are
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: clean and accurate and that only citizens are voting in their elections.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: And meanwhile, we are an absolute clown show over here.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_03: Georgia moved,
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_03: I think it was Georgia,
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_03: is removing a bunch of inactive and noncompliant voters basically from their rolls.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: They cleaned a bunch of people off their voter rolls.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_03: What does the federal government do?
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_03: Sue them to try to stop them.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's ridiculous.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_03: It needs to stop.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I am super, you hear this?
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_03: Democrats, I'm disappointed.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_03: Very disappointed in all of you.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: Ashley,
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: they haven't gotten back to you yet,
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: I think,
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: because they're probably going to reread the manual,
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_03: double check it for accuracy first before they give it to you.
• 38:11
  Thank you.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: I like mail-in voting.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoy it.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's nice.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think for the most part, 97, 96% of the time, it's probably fine and it works.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: But if there's one bad voter or one bad actor, that's one too many.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: I know Representative Bowman said that in his opening.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: I do believe that
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: There are,
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: many Democrats that are with,
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: that are that are in the halls of the legislature that that don't want there to
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: have this on their on their,
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: laying at their feet.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right there.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure they're saying, like, why?
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: Why are we?
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want this problem.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: But but it is your party that's been in charge.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it's your party that's going to win the secretary of state's race.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: So.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of your problem.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and here, I'll push back a little bit, not on you, but on some of our fellow Republicans.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: When you promote baseless conspiracy theories,
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_03: when you don't check on stuff before you share it,
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_03: when you file a lawsuit to end mail-in voting and get it thrown out,
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_03: Mr.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_03: Linthicum,
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_03: Senator Linthicum,
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_03: you make it harder for us to actually go after the bad things that are actually
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_03: happening in our voting systems.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_03: When you don't do your homework and you promote baseless conspiracy theories,
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_03: we get undermined by that in other states.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_03: We get undermined by that in our own states.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_03: And it gives Democrats cover to say,
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_03: look at the Republicans,
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_03: another crazy voting conspiracy threatening our democracy.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go after the real issues.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, here's the thing.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_03: I talked to,
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_03: there's a great guy,
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: a consultant from Virginia that I worked with at Oregon Right to Life and on Colin
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: Willis' campaign,
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_03: Carlisle Gregory.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_03: He said, fraud happens all the time.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's just about whether or not you catch it, right?
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_03: There's going to be voter fraud.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_03: It might be in small quantities.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_03: It might be in limited areas.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's not some large conspiracy.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_03: We have to all know how the system works,
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_03: and we have to know how to hold the people in charge accountable when they make a mistake.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_03: And when we don't do either of those two things correctly,
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_03: we're shirking our duty to our democracy and as Americans and as Oregonians.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_03: And so trying to raise legitimate issues when people are raising baseless issues –
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_03: is a problem so that's the one thing i'll push back of the republicans are because
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: i'm sure the democrats that both the good and the bad will say that's a problem and
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_03: they're right they're right about that so well um hopefully we've got a story out
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_03: of portland that does not include any kind of inept buffoonery um oh no yeah the
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: home of ranked choice voting um so the portland mayor race
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: uh very crowded race i believe there's 19 people running for mayor of portland um
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: crime homelessness economy these are going to be top issues for voters um
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: especially who are kind of ready for a fresh uh wave of leadership we will see
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: tickets so what are your thoughts on the candidates so far is there anyone in the
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: field that's standing out is there a clear front runner are there one or two front
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: runners
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_03: I'll let Brian go first on this one.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, I didn't know there was 19.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: That was kind of fresh news coming there.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's just nuts from that standpoint.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: 19 people.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: So in general, let's just break that down for a second, right?
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: So any third,
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: four-party candidate is going to pick up two to three points just by being on the ballot,
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then they're going to be ranked choice, right?
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: Am I correct that these mayor candidates?
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: You're correct.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: This is ranked choice voting on 19 candidates.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: This is going to take them until 2037 to figure out who won this damn race.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: And you talk about lawsuits.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, my Lord.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: I can't even wrap my head around ranked choice voting of 19 candidates and how many
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: rounds the machine is going to take.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: to figure that out.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then how many,
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_01: and if you,
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: and can you imagine how many,
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: like one or two vote differences would take you moving from round 17 to round 15 or
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: something like that?
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then what does that trigger a recount?
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: If you're in a certain round where you don't make the next round and you get dropped,
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: but then yet you're chasing ballots that maybe had a wrong ballot,
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: that's the whole fallacy of ranked choice voting,
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: So it's amazing to me.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_03: I put a link, and I'll put it in our show notes too, but you guys should click on this link.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_03: This is the preview ballot for Portland Mayor and City Council.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_03: So what you have,
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_03: and I'll just describe it for our listeners on the left-hand side,
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_03: as you would normally see.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_03: A circle next to the 19 different names.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_03: And this is very similar to the Republican primary for governor 2022.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_03: We had a lot of candidates in that race.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_03: OK, that's kind of what the ballot looked like.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_03: And it was kind of long, but you just find the name you wanted to vote for.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_03: You you fill it in.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_03: OK, this we're going off the deep end now and rank choice voting.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_03: Here we go.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_03: They have six lines.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_03: You can rank up to six of these candidates.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_03: So even rank choice voting, rank the candidates however you want to.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_03: No, not in Multnomah County because we don't have enough space in the ballot for you to rank 19 people.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_03: You only get to rank six.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's not even good at ranking.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_03: And then here's the other thing.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_03: We'll get to Rene Gonzalez and the candidates in a minute.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_03: There is a campaign from some of the far lefties who don't like Rene Gonzalez and
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_03: don't want him to win because their concern is that he'll get ranked second,
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_03: third,
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_03: fourth by people voting for all these other candidates who get eliminated.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_03: And then those votes get redistributed to Rene Gonzalez to help make him the winner,
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_03: which is weird because the proponents of ranked choice voting say,
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_03: well,
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_03: the most in the middle candidate that's acceptable to everybody is supposed to win
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: the election.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: And if that's Rene Gonzalez, he should win.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_03: So now they have to go out there and say, don't rank Renee, which is very clever.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_03: Very good job.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_03: Clap, clap to the consultant that came up with that.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_03: Give them a bonus.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_03: Don't rank Renee.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_03: So now in this system, before you just say, just vote for me, don't vote for the candidate who's bad.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_03: Now you have to instruct people,
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_03: hey,
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_03: you should rank people on your ballot,
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_03: but don't rank these people on your ballot.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_03: It makes running choice voting even more confusing.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_03: It's just wild.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_03: This whole system.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what this system was designed to solve,
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_03: except for to keep a lot of people in academia who study government very,
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_03: very busy,
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_03: because this makes no sense.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_03: And most people will open their ballot in Portland and then they'll throw up
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_03: because it makes it's just the weirdest,
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_03: craziest thing you've ever seen.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_03: Dude, this voting is work.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's work, Reagan.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: One, why didn't one of these people run for city of Portland auditor?
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's only one person running.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's hilarious.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: And there's 27 people running for position four or district four for city councilor.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: That is insane.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_03: Isn't that the best?
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_03: So, all right.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_03: So we got to look at these candidates.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_03: So really, I think most people believe
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_03: Because here's the signal, right?
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_03: There's 19 candidates.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_03: There's only three candidates who have raised significant money.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry, four candidates who have raised significant money and have name ID.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_03: And three of these candidates are having IE spent because Portland has contribution
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_03: limits in Multnomah County.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_03: And they have matching funds from government for your campaigns.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_03: And then anything that they can't give to you, it's just like federal rules, just millions of IEs.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_03: all spent so i want to do ashley do you know the candidates or you want me to run
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: them down oh they're i mean they're 19 so do you want me to i only want to do the
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_03: four the four top ones so you got rubio gonzalez maps and wilson those are
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_03: basically the four that everyone agrees is is competitive yeah yeah i would agree
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: yeah so so the first um in this article in this lpb article um laying out all of
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: the candidates
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: Carmen Rubio sure has a puff piece here.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: Far from a radical leftist,
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: Rubio's liberal politics have made her the most progressive candidate on the
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_00: Portland City Council.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how that sentence
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: That math ain't mathing.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_03: No, no journalist, no self-respecting journalist should actually write that.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I just clicked on Alex Zelinsky's bio and shocker.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_03: She worked for the Portland Mercury, which is also where Dirk Vander Hart comes from.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_03: But I don't even think Dirk would write that sentence.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_03: Frankly, I'm going to text him after that and be like, is this journalism?
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_03: Cause it doesn't feel like journalism.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: Some, some journalism.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's for sure.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then, and then when you go down to Renee Gonzalez, it's, you know, it,
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: One of the main paragraphs is about how he was, was he accosted on the max?
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: Was he not accosted?
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: Security camera footage says that that's debatable and doesn't really go into much
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: other than he says,
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: my vision includes making Portland one of the safest cities in America,
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: which,
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: it's a good message.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: Mingus Maps.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_03: I have one thing on Rene here, just a quick blip.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_03: There was a controversy he's being investigated for because he used city funds to
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_03: pay a consultant to update his Wikipedia page because he didn't like what was in it.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: Find someone who loves you like a politician loves their Wikipedia page because I
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_03: have not worked for one that isn't obsessed with,
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: my photo is bad.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't have all the right stuff.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: You just have to ignore it.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_03: Wikipedia is run by weird people on the internet.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_03: You'll never get control of it.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_03: There's nothing you can do.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, but
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_03: I will say.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_03: So they cover him.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's so interesting.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_03: They say his votes often straddle liberal and conservative ideologies.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_03: He's running the most moderate campaign for mayor.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_03: Again, this sounds exactly like what rank choice voting is here to promote.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_03: And everything the far left is doing is just to tear him down there while also
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_03: saying rank choice voting is amazing.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_03: Again, they can't make up their minds on this stuff.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_03: They literally can't.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's hilarious.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he does share my love for TriMet.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I do appreciate that.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm afraid to get on there too, Renee.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: I understand, you know, somebody gets close to me on TriMet.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you won't see me on TriMet.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: So nobody's ever going to get close to me on it.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: But,
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: yes,
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: I,
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: I do find his,
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: maybe he'll be,
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: he'll pick up my,
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: my,
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: baton and,
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: and run against public transportation and get rid of it all together.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_03: We need a bill that puts one person on Metro that is from Prineville.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_03: And then we'll just point you, Brian, and you'll fix Metro.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, thanks.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm good.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I should mention dollars raised.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: So Carmen Rubio has raised as of October 1st, $236,000.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: Rene Gonzalez has raised $292,000, a little bit less there.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, that's more, $236,000 and $292,000.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_00: Mingus Maps, who's next?
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know exactly what he's accomplished since he's been in the city.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: commissioner but it's it's kind of seems like him and renee gonzalez are kind of at
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_03: odds they are in a very similar lane so i i actually got to interview mingus maps
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_03: on my old podcast and he's a really cool dude and a nice guy but him and renee
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_03: gonzalez it's a great name
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_03: He should have rerun for Council because him and Rene were both in the same lane.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_03: They knew it from the beginning, but all of the funders went with Rene because he's more bought in.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_03: Maps tries to straddle a little bit more.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_03: He plays more of the games.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_03: There's a place for that.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_03: It's effective.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_03: He's been good on Council.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_03: But he should have just rerun for council because you really even with rank choice voting,
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_03: most of the people who are going to rank maps,
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_03: his money dried up after the first like three or four months right after Renee got in.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_03: Like it was really too bad.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_03: He should have switched,
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_03: but maybe he doesn't want to serve on council,
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_03: which I don't blame him for because it's going to be it's going to include a lot of
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_03: that inept buffoonery we were talking about before.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: So he's raised one hundred and eighty four thousand as of October 1st.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: There's some,
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'll say I,
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: I,
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't had a chance to interview Megas maps,
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: but I've heard decent things about the guy.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: So,
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: um,
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: and there are some really good,
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: uh,
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think airing Portland Democrats,
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: people that really want to see Portland be the city of roses again,
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: I sure do.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um,
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: but,
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: and I think that,
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: both him and Gonzalez are,
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: and actually I don't,
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know Rubio either.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I can't really accept her.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: She's a horrible driver, but outside of that, um,
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_01: it seems like that you know maps and gonzalez are kind of splitting that stuff and
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: you kind of got to give rubio you know the edge at this point don't you i mean as a
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: mayor i mean regardless of the the stuff and the weird part about the journalism on
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: this stuff when we talked about 19 and we literally just said well let's not talk
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: about the people that don't have money and
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: so we're not talking about anybody else.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: Let me say, well, we don't want to talk to anybody else.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: Cause you know, nobody knows who they are because they don't have any money.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: So then all the news stories only talk about the front runners that have the money.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then those, so it really is that weird.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: Those other people can't even get anywhere because they don't have any money and they can't.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then the stories aren't even written about them to cover them.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just this weird chicken and the egg thing that just keeps going round and round and round.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: So the campaign finance stuff just proves that matching money,
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: all that stuff doesn't matter at the end of the day.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: And weren't these guys even, didn't they all share donors at one point too?
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: Wasn't that a whole thing?
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: They're all sharing donors.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: They all get matching funds.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then they broke the system because they all had matching funds.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_03: Well, there was that.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_03: So they came into this before this race even started.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_03: They're like,
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_03: oh,
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_03: hey,
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_03: we forgot to anticipate that when you add four more positions or three more
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_03: positions per district that we're not going to have enough money to do the normal
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_03: level of matching.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_03: So they downgraded the matching.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_03: And then all these candidates were illegally sharing donors,
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_03: inducing them to donate to multiple campaigns in order to get a benefit,
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_03: which you're not allowed to do.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_03: The secretary of state is now investigating this.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure they'll be done with that sometime after the voter scandal,
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_03: many months after it matters for this election,
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_03: as usual.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_03: And so then they were breaking campaign finance law.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_03: So my favorite thing about all this is Portland has campaign finance limits,
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_03: matching funds,
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_03: ranked choice voting,
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_03: and all it leads to is people breaking the law.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_03: It is truly hilarious stuff.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_03: And if we just kept the old systems, we wouldn't have any problems.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_03: Most of the problems that people are talking about, the partisanship,
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_03: The big money in politics, you know how you get money out of politics?
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_03: You make government less powerful.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_03: You take away their power.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_03: As long as government is powerful, people will try to influence it with money.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_03: And they're always going to have a way to do that because we have a law that says
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_03: that you have freedom of speech.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_03: So anyway, again, they're acting like we live in a world we don't live in.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's liberal utopia silliness.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_03: The other thing about this, and I like Keith Wilson.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_03: So Keith Wilson's the fourth candidate.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_03: He's sort of a later entrance.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_03: If you look at his photo on OPB, the guy looks exactly like Ted Wheeler.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_03: It looks like somebody went and we're like, we look pretty dang close.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_03: Thin white business guy.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm looking at it.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_03: Some consultant was like, Ted Wheeler got reelected despite having terrible name ID.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_03: What if we just ran Ted Wheeler again with a different name?
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_03: And then read the opening line.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_03: Heath Wilson brings perhaps the most ambitious goal to the mayor's race,
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_03: ending unsheltered homelessness by 2026.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's a familiar pitch.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_03: In 2016, mayoral candidate Ted Wheeler pledged to shelter all homeless Portlanders in two years.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_03: In parentheses, he hasn't.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_03: So anyway, I love this guy.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_03: He's going to have some IEs from some business people or whatever.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_03: I would say...
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_03: I guess a great test to rank choice voting to see if Wilson,
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_03: Mapps,
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_03: and Gonzalez all cannibalize each other and allow Rubio to win.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_03: I would guarantee you Rubio is going to have the most first choice votes in the first round.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_03: And then as they eliminate people, Gonzalez is going to gain ground.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_03: The real question is, does he do well enough?
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_03: Is Portland in a bad enough shape that people aren't going to elect Rubio or not?
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_03: I have no idea.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_03: I don't live there.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_03: I don't talk to a lot of people that are from there.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_03: So it's hard to know.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_03: This will be a great surprise on...
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_03: five weeks from election night after they're done counting the ranked choice
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_03: ballots like they did in New York.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_03: After several rounds of fixing the errors that they have and weeks and weeks of counting,
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_03: we'll know the winner.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_03: And it'll be very exciting months after the election.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: I do think it's kind of interesting that for the.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_00: technically kind of the top four candidates.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_00: Keith Wilson is the only one who's not a Portland City Commissioner.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_00: And he actually notes that and says,
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: electing one of our failed city leaders into the mayor's office will double down on
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_00: the dysfunction of the status quo.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_00: So that's interesting.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_00: He's been able to raise $239,000 and then is endorsed by
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_00: representative mark gambra gamba and rep tran which for me for me is a red flag
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: exactly um but then you know has kind of some of the business people behind him and
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_00: um opposes new taxes but he's you know kind of a green energy you know enviro guy
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_00: so he's really kind of confusing to me um but yeah um
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_03: Bros out there trying to be Tom McCall.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's what it sounds like to me.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think we did it justice here today, guys.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think?
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_03: Anything we missed?
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_01: So much other news.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: But I think we did enough for the day.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: So that's for sure.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_03: We did enough damage to everybody's podcast feed.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_00: You guys are what my generation calls certified yappers.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_00: so we had more we had more we could have gotten to but but yeah i think those are
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: the big the big stories i've been called worse so i'll go ahead and take it turns
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: out in a podcast you have to talk ashley i'm clipping that i'm clipping that ashley
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_03: that'll be the intro turns out you guys are certified yappers there you go that'll
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_03: be perfect another great podcast name i wish i could use you should wear it as a
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_00: badge of honor you should wear it proudly
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_01: A couple of good guests coming up, too, on the pod, so stay tuned to that as soon as the producer...
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: that's not talking right now gets off his tail and gets it done.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll get them out.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to try to put some out.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully we'll load up the,
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: the pod between now and the election day with some interviews and then some more
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_01: news because it's going to keep breaking.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_01: So Ashley is probably going to try to set a bar for being the,
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_01: the highest number guests on the show before the end of the year.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_01: So she's going to try to set that, that, that tone.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_03: We're getting to the point now, Brian.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_03: I was trying to keep it at one a week.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_03: We're very clearly in two a week now territory for the most part.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_03: So I will start cranking them out.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_03: I will give people a preview.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_03: We've got Mark McMullen, who is the former state economist.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_03: That episode will come after I edit and publish this one because this is news.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_03: His was not as tight newsworthy, so it can drop anytime.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_03: So I'll drop that one next week.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_03: And then, yes, lots more.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_03: surprise guests big politics and we still need to do our breakdown brian on local
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_03: races so send us your local races we'll do this one a little bit later uh local
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_03: races that you care about and we'll do ballot measures too we'll talk about the
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_03: ballot measures in depth one last time before everybody or as they get their
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_00: ballots sounds good such an exciting time
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I'm supposed to do the outro.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_03: That's what Brian's waiting for.
• 58:21
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• 58:50
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• 58:54
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• 58:54
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• 58:55
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• 58:57
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• 58:59
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• 58:59
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• 59:01
  SPEAKER_00: Brian spells my name backwards.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_00: Practically.
• 59:04
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• 59:06
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• 59:08
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• 59:09
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• 59:14
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• 59:15
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• 59:18
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• 59:21
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• 59:29
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• 59:32
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, thank you.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't realize that you were actually wanting me to spell it.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure I'll get... Nope, that was not a joke.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_00: Get a bunch of followers from this.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, everybody.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_01: Talk to you soon.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.