Latest / Privycast / Ep. 218 Ablutophobia
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- 0:00Mm-hmm.
- 0:25Welcome back to Privy.
- 0:27Privy is a podcast about bathrooms recorded from my home bathroom.
- 0:34I'm your host, Hunter Hoover, and I love bathrooms.
- 0:38Welcome back, everyone.
- 0:39Thank you for being here.
- 0:40And we are in the heart of Spooky Season.
- 0:43That you know what?
- 0:45And and it's time to bring it back out.
- 0:49It's plunger hat season.
- 0:51Spooky season is officially
- 0:53plunger hat season there is a there is a wig hair stuck to my plunger and it is now in my eye what the heck don't store don't store your plunger hats with your fake wigs okay but
- 1:13it's spooky season which as we talked last time means it's still twist season I hope you guys have been doing your best
- 1:22To raise awareness about the twist.
- 1:26Um, let us know how your awareness raising has been going thus far ah at Privycast, Privycast at gmail.com.
- 1:35Hit us up.
- 1:36We also like to see big strides made in the world of justice.
- 1:41It's a good thing.
- 1:42It's a good thing when the right thing's done.
- 1:43It's a bad thing when you get wig hair stuck in your plunger.
- 1:47It's it's a good thing when the right thing is done.
- 1:51Fire off, we're midway through spoop key season, we're on our way.
- 1:55And last time we discussed laverophobia.
- 2:01Leveraphobia is admittedly not one of the better or even one of the more understood phobias that exist.
- 2:11In short, laverophobia is just the fear of bathrooms or the fear of the lavatory, or
- 2:20As we discussed last night, dude, look at my plung look at my plunger stick wiggle.
- 2:24It's got the wiggliest plunger stick you've ever seen in your life, boy.
- 2:27I'm I'm the plunger unicorn, brother.
- 2:31shoot.
- 2:32Yes.
- 2:34Plunger corn.
- 2:36This is it.
- 2:37This is This is peak.
- 2:40Okay.
- 2:41Sorry.
- 2:41Um.
- 2:44But Leverophobia, it just the fear of the bathroom, but
- 2:49It would actually be pretty awful to live with and to have.
- 2:54Because in the most extreme cases, like you're gonna have to rework your whole bathroom situation.
- 2:59Like, how do you go?
- 3:01Do you just like go in bottles and bags and like that's that's not great.
- 3:07That's not great at all.
- 3:09But this year, we might have been better off calling October Phobia Month.
- 3:16Because this week.
- 3:18For spoop key season, we're going to look at another phobia.
- 3:24While it is technically leveraphobia in the sense that it often will take place inside the bathroom, it is a longer standing and more established phobia, going back in understanding
- 3:40much farther than laverophobia did.
- 3:42This week, we're back in the bathroom for spoop key season.
- 3:48To face our fears and look at another bathroom-related and centered phobia.
- 3:55To do so, we would be best served by looking at some of the history surrounding this fear.
- 4:03As we've discussed for much of our history, the idea of cleanliness being next to godliness was not only an axiom that people shared to note the importance of taking a bath
- 4:15and cleaning yourselves.
- 4:17It actually served the role.
- 4:20Cleanliness was related to being godly or closer to your deity.
- 4:28I I I know that I belabor this point, but I do smell a lot of teen stank throughout my day at the high school.
- 4:37And so I I would return to the point that young people should bathe.
- 4:44It's good.
- 4:45That's all we'll say.
- 4:47They some stinky, they some stinky folk run around out here.
- 4:51If you were clean, you had actually in this old view of cleanliness being next to godliness.
- 4:58My my plunger horn is really flaccid.
- 5:01I
- 5:05Yeah.
- 5:06But
- 5:09The they believed that that that filth, that stink, that grime, that whatever was something that those fake gods were believed to be detestable.
- 5:22This, coupled with the health benefits of cleaning, caused people to believe that they had earned the favor of their deity.
- 5:32It's like you you clean yourself up, you start to feel a little better.
- 5:35It's like, oh, like they've blessed me.
- 5:38Because they've been given health and vitality when really you just removed like the bad stuff that would make you sick.
- 5:46Sometimes, when we live in a very clean and often sterilized society, we can assume that much of human history was much dirtier.
- 5:59And I'll be honest, it was.
- 6:02Like our past as people is a dirty past.
- 6:06But
- 6:08Not in the sense that it was dirty and filthy.
- 6:11Greeks and Romans, ancient Asians, and other countless cultures have pretty clear and sophisticated customs and rules for bathing and staying clean.
- 6:25Many of which we've discussed over the years on this show, and as we continue to research, we'll continue to discuss.
- 6:33However, that does not mean that all cultures for all time.
- 6:37continued to hold those notions of bathing and cleaning.
- 6:43Doctors coming out of the 1500s and the medieval period subscribed to an idea we brought up briefly last time on the episode about laverophobia called the open pour theory.
- 6:57Now, this theory, just to state it again, was the idea that if one bathes and gets in them hot, you get all hot and watered down, you know what I'm saying?
- 7:07You get just you're like a big old human tea bag in the mix.
- 7:12That doing that opens up the pores in our body.
- 7:16And this theory says that when those pores open up for cleansing.
- 7:22It lets out, quote, bad air, rids the body of bad air.
- 7:29Some at the time believed this could be disease, cause death, and others attached a spiritual aspect to it.
- 7:39That it was a demon, that this was a way of getting rid of a demon, if only for a little bit.
- 7:45That demon would have to go somewhere.
- 7:49But this bad air would
- 7:51Then consequently open somebody up, if those pores are open, as part of the miasma theory of disease.
- 8:03The miasma theory of disease, in short, thought that washing made a person vulnerable in that it opened them up to disease or even further demonic possession in the strangest
- 8:18versions of the theory.
- 8:21Some people thought you could literally catch the crazy.
- 8:24If you have somebody that's wild and they just they're acting deranged and they're out of their mind.
- 8:32You could catch the crazy if your pores are opened and their pores are open.
- 8:38You can see how saunas and like bathing together, careful, careful, were like not so hot during this time period.
- 8:50The dirt and the sweat, and and I'm just gonna go ahead and put it out there because sanitation was at all time low, the pee and poop of life that collected on a person at the
- 9:01time came to be it just it people were just caked in their own pee.
- 9:08Just just their just the own their own fecal just on their on their body.
- 9:18This served, they believed, as an added protective barrier against these bad airs of the outside world.
- 9:27Now, think of it like this.
- 9:31It's like you have your own little suit of bodily fluid armor to ward off the very stinky things that could come up against you in day-to-day life.
- 9:47Speaking briefly of bad air, I want to take this time randomly and for no apparent reason.
- 9:55No particular thing has caused me to do this.
- 9:59Again, to remind everyone of hygiene and deodorant.
- 10:03Totally random.
- 10:05And now back to the program.
- 10:07This layer of filth would act of as like a protective barrier or layer to the skin.
- 10:15Warding like giving this pig pen-esque individual and keeping them from being penetrated by the evils of the bad air outside in the world.
- 10:29In this view, not only does bathing open you up to susceptibility, it weakens your defense stat.
- 10:37If I take a bath, my defense stat's gonna drop by like six or seven.
- 10:43The bad air and the demons are gonna infect your pores, brother.
- 10:48But it also, when you bathe, it resets and undoes that layer of filth defense that you have.
- 10:55Now you gotta start all over.
- 10:56You have to begin getting more pee and poop and spit and slobber and snot and boogers all over you.
- 11:03So that way you can be defended again.
- 11:07This, in my opinion, is such a classic kindergarten through third grade.
- 11:11Boy perspective about taking a bath.
- 11:14You've destroyed days of stink progress.
- 11:19This begs the question then.
- 11:21What about swimming?
- 11:23Would people forego swimming if it would open them up to disease and possible demon possession?
- 11:29There was developed, coming out of these times, a method called waterless washing.
- 11:36This was a system of dry rubbing, like
- 11:40You're some sort of steak being prepped for the grill.
- 11:44You got my dry rub on me, you know what I'm saying?
- 11:47In short, this dry washing, this waterless washing, sought to remove some amount of dirt and filth by just like rubbing it off.
- 11:58If you are dirty enough.
- 12:02To rub the dirt off and you can tell from the rag, like you have
- 12:12Like you have rag, and you like yourself, and you're like, dang, look at how clean I got.
- 12:21Um, you're not clean, my friend.
- 12:24You're filthy.
- 12:25Like, that's that's disgusting.
- 12:29If you're dirty enough to see the dirt on the rag just by dry rubbing it, you need to be tossed into the lake.
- 12:37But again, they believed that what
- 12:40Actually make things worse.
- 12:41If you were to reset the body defense barrier, bad air demon demon barrier of poo, it would be bad.
- 12:51Others believed they could mitigate this by wearing linen clothing and avoiding getting dirty or working up that sweat in the first place.
- 13:04I've talked a lot about sweat in the past few months on the show.
- 13:07It's been summer.
- 13:08We're we're now a
- 13:09Especially out of summer, we're in spoop key season.
- 13:11And I also have to note, at the point of this episode's record, now I pray, I pray that by the point of this episode's release, what I'm getting ready to say has has proved to be a
- 13:25thing of the past.
- 13:26But at the point of this episode's record, the first parts of October.
- 13:33The Sintis Corporation has still not put out the finalists for the twenty twenty six America's best restroom competition.
- 13:46It's unbelievable.
- 13:49The clock's ticking.
- 13:51Before long, it's gonna be twenty twenty seven, and what the flip is even the point then, Sintis.
- 13:58Give us something to vote for.
- 14:02Every year they pull this crap.
- 14:05Every year they pull it.
- 14:08I'm sick of it.
- 14:09Syntis, if you're hearing this, the people at America's Best Restroom.
- 14:13If you're hearing this, stop.
- 14:15It's not hard.
- 14:16You have your nominees.
- 14:18Just post them.
- 14:19You have the pictures.
- 14:20You have the synopsis.
- 14:22Just organize them.
- 14:23It would take one intern in afternoon to make this website.
- 14:28Be available to people to vote.
- 14:31Unbelievable.
- 14:33At the time, bathing would often be tied to pagan rituals and the divine.
- 14:40A person takes a bath to indulge in the pleasures of this world.
- 14:46Not only was not bathing viewed as a hygienic option, but it would become a moral one as well.
- 14:54A person could ward off not only disease, but the temptations of the devil.
- 15:00By saying no to a bath.
- 15:01Why?
- 15:02Because the bath is an indulgence.
- 15:05It's you're indulging in comfort, and that is a sin.
- 15:09At least in this view.
- 15:12Cleanliness would be framed not as a thing for purification, but something that should be limited to the practice of moderation and self-control.
- 15:22Bathing was viewed as only by necessity, if ever at all, in the most severe instances.
- 15:28The bath would be medically supervised.
- 15:32That sounds pervish.
- 15:35Physicians said that if bathing occurred at all, like okay, if someone is saying, yeah, I have to supervise the bath because like of the bad air and demons, they're a cult pervert.
- 15:48Okay?
- 15:50Cut and run, brother or sister.
- 15:53Like get out of there.
- 15:54They're a cult pervert and and they're they're up to pervish things with you.
- 16:03Physicians said that if bathing occurred at all, which dang it, like why would why are we at w at all in that sentence is bad.
- 16:13It should be seldom, brief, and be followed by a thorough and rigorous drying of the body so as to help close the pores before you let some bad and evil influence in.
- 16:27They began to measure cleanliness.
- 16:30By how often someone changed their clothes rather than bathing.
- 16:34Which if you don't bathe,
- 16:39Like I hope you're clean I hope you're changing your clothes often, but like you're getting them dirty immediately upon changing them.
- 16:50Royalty took less and less baths and spent time working on perfecting perfume to help mask the odor that their armpits and crevices were creating from avoiding the bath.
- 17:04Most famously King Henry the Eighth and Louis the Fourteenth.
- 17:09Pursued these perfuming measures as a way of coping with their stank.
- 17:15This needed to be the case because that bad smell was often connected to moral corruption and evil.
- 17:24If a person smells bad, they probably are bad.
- 17:28But they also believe that if you shower or bathe, you're opening yourself up to evil, a thing that naturally will make you smell bad.
- 17:38And have people perceive you as evil.
- 17:40It's a real catch twenty two.
- 17:44Catch twenty poo.
- 17:47So you had these people who had bought into not bathing for a really, really long time, now smelling like a walking turd sock, and then having to adapt that belief to the idea
- 18:01that if you also smell bad, it might also be a sign of evil and moral corruption.
- 18:08Lay on the ye oldy axe body spray, Reginald.
- 18:12We must keep the demons at bay.
- 18:15The rich.
- 18:17Could afford not to bathe and still smell relatively okay.
- 18:22It became a signal of the lower class to smell bad.
- 18:26This made the rich blame the poor for the release of sickness, stench, or bad air into the public as these were often housed in crowded spaces, couldn't afford stink management, and
- 18:38yet were not bathing due to those still prevailing beliefs about bathing and illness.
- 18:47As cities grew, this was still held in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries.
- 18:54Likely when America was being founded or
- 18:59There was little to no bathing that happened.
- 19:03When we think back to our Fourth of July episode from a couple years ago, on Ben Franklin's airbaths, we kind of start to begin a get gain an appreciation for why old
- 19:14Benny F was like airing out his old little Benny F.
- 19:19The biggest shift in thinking in the 1700s was not that bathing was good, what a bummer.
- 19:26But as they understood that polluted air from crowding in poor sanitations led to illness.
- 19:33It was assumed that not bathing would still fight against these dangers.
- 19:39The miasma theory of disease prevailed until there were scientific advancements in the world of microscopes.
- 19:51As illness and other things were traced by patterns of miasma, those patterns could not be explained.
- 20:00Doctors began to see if they could look closer at the air.
- 20:03And the contaminated water to see if there was some explanation for why people were getting sick in certain spaces.
- 20:13Turns out there was, as they began to find bacteria and other things growing and thriving in the air and in the water of these spaces.
- 20:24These bacteria, these pathogens were small, but they were material in nature.
- 20:31And as a result, it was posited that perhaps water might be able to wash them away too.
- 20:41It should be noted.
- 20:44Just because you can understand something doesn't mean everyone will believe you and adapt that understanding to themselves.
- 20:54It would be almost a hundred years before bathing standards would be accepted in the late eighteen and early nineteen hundreds.
- 21:05To be clean, one shifted from managing exposure to contaminants to managing exposure to contaminants.
- 21:13Not much changed, even with this new understanding of bacteria and germs.
- 21:21By the 1900s, bathing became a normal part, an expected part, hear that, of life.
- 21:30We just had a few smelly years in there of illness, disease, decay, and death to sort through.
- 21:37But while there were many people who were truly afraid of bathing in old times, this was more connected to the belief that bathing would get you sick.
- 21:48Or that it would leave you susceptible to some disease due to incorrect views of germs and how things spread.
- 21:58As we move into modern times, it turns out.
- 22:02There are still some who hold an aversion or a fear related to bathing.
- 22:11The modern term for the fear or phobia of bathing, washing and cleaning oneself, is called abutophobia from the Latin abluter, which means to wash off.
- 22:25However, the amount of people running around with this phobia is much less, and I guarantee.
- 22:32They aren't running around saying it because they're afraid of the pores opening it up and some illness or demon coming and getting inside of them.
- 22:43So what are some of the reasons that people might experience a blutophobia today?
- 22:49This is not just people who don't want to take a bath.
- 22:53I want to speak directly at we'll just say children in general, but like
- 23:00I've got two children in mind.
- 23:04Children are an enigma because they will protest the shower on end.
- 23:11They will fight the good fight against taking a shower.
- 23:15They will scream that it is not just, that it is unfair, that it is stupid, that it is bad, that it is immoral, that it is wicked and wretched for them to have to take a shower,
- 23:30much like
- 23:32Much like confused miasma theory adherents of old
- 23:39Then as soon as they get in the shower and they get it going, they remember something.
- 23:46Showers are freaking great.
- 23:49They're awesome.
- 23:51And then they're in there for like 20 to 30 minutes, leaving no hot water for the rest of us.
- 23:56Or rested people, whoever these kids may be.
- 23:59To that end, this is a privy cast stance.
- 24:04Take it.
- 24:05Put the flag in the ground, brother.
- 24:09If you have time for a long shower, you should definitely take a long one.
- 24:16Life's too short to not enjoy your showers.
- 24:20But this isn't that that they're afraid of.
- 24:23This is also not those adults who are like, yeah, I'm not sure what the last time I showered was.
- 24:29Wrong.
- 24:31Incorrect.
- 24:33Adults, really anybody, should always be able to tell you when the last time they showered was.
- 24:39Because if it is long enough ago that they don't know what it is, guess what?
- 24:45It's time to hit the shower.
- 24:48Let's make that today.
- 24:50Today is the day of you getting clean.
- 24:54Rather, oblutophobia is an actual fear of the bath and bathing experience as a whole.
- 25:04Symptoms of oblutophobia are similar to any phobia.
- 25:09Racing heart, shortness of breath, fainting, feeling hot, shaking, sweating, dry mouth, nausea.
- 25:17In severe instances, people will have a breakdown, faint.
- 25:22lose control of their bodies or die.
- 25:27Dying's wild.
- 25:29Like, if you're dying because you're afraid of the bath, I I'm sorry.
- 25:36That's you should have got help before then.
- 25:40One clear source of ablutophobia, as is true for most phobias, is childhood or adolescent trauma around the bath or shower space.
- 25:51If you had something bad happen to you, wherein you're in the shower or bathtub.
- 25:55It makes it more likely that you're not going to want to engage in or be in those spots again.
- 26:02One common is drowning or near drowning.
- 26:06Another trigger or cause of ablutophobia is environmental.
- 26:11This can be things like growing up in a household where people experience it can cause you to have those fears yourselves.
- 26:18Nothing will make you suspicious or afraid of something like someone else being suspicious or afraid of it.
- 26:25Another is sensory or other sort of concerns.
- 26:30There are those who do not like the way a bath or shower feels, and such they develop fears related to or as a way of avoiding these experiences.
- 26:42The tough part about a blutophobia, as is true with most phobias, you just avoid the thing and it comes up fairly seldom.
- 26:51If I'm afraid of clowns, which I definitely am not, but know someone who is, all I really have to do is avoid clowns, which is fairly.
- 27:00Fairly easy.
- 27:01Like, just skip the circus, keep your head on a swivel at birthday party.
- 27:09But if I'm afraid of baths, showers, and washing myself, I can't, and better yet, I shouldn't just avoid that.
- 27:20We've learned from history that life is better and cleaner when we're bathing and taking care of that part of our lives.
- 27:28So what's the path forward then?
- 27:32While I think it's a bad idea long term, doing your best to get clean when you can.
- 27:38and the ways you can is a start.
- 27:42Dry shampoo, sink baths, etcetera.
- 27:46It's not a substitute, but it could help you
- 27:52Take the next steps in being free and conquering your ablutophobia.
- 27:59In more severe cases, you may need to go to therapy, get some help related to your phobia.
- 28:07Some of these therapies include behavior therapy, exposure therapy, and in some cases, anxiety medication to help deal with the symptoms so you can bathe and function.
- 28:18Before we move on, we would do well to discuss the cultural impact and how ablutophobia is highlighted and often made worse by the media landscape.
- 28:30In the 1960s, Alfred Hitchcock's movie Psycho did a lot to make people feel uneasy and afraid, especially around the shower space.
- 28:41The image of the character being attacked in the shower, which is undoubtedly a very vulnerable space to be stuck in.
- 28:49resonated and sank down in to the hearts and minds of audiences.
- 28:56As we've noted, bathrooms are vulnerable spaces in TV and movies.
- 29:01They often play in on tropes to highlight how someone could be caught off guard, taken advantage of in those areas.
- 29:08They pop up in video games for much the same reason.
- 29:12The bath and shower, however, play particularly well in this space for a number of reasons.
- 29:18First,
- 29:20If you're in bath or shower, you're naked.
- 29:22If there's a murderer afoot, likely pretty afraid.
- 29:28If I'm gonna get horror movie acts murdered, I don't wanna be with my jabronies off just hanging out in a bubble bath.
- 29:39The optics of that are real bad.
- 29:42Also, change your underwear daily, at least.
- 29:46Imagine something happens.
- 29:49And as you go to the hospital, they find that you have poo stains in your underpants.
- 29:55Poo stains are a private matter.
- 29:58It's personal business.
- 30:00However, when it comes to showers, there's a fear related to the sensory deprivation of the thing.
- 30:06Your inhibitions are let down, and you're more alert and aware to things than maybe you normally would be.
- 30:12Other depictions of ablutophobia in movies and TV.
- 30:16Besides Psycho continue to play on these tropes.
- 30:20Nightmare on Elm Street with the famous bubble bath scene.
- 30:23What lies beneath has the bathtub death scene, where the paralyzed woman is put in the bathtub by her husband and the water slowly rises up over her face.
- 30:33Shivers has a slug crawling up and out of the bathtub drain to terrorize a woman resting in the tub.
- 30:41This was later rev revisited.
- 30:442006's Slither.
- 30:47In a quiet place, the protagonist has to give birth to their baby.
- 30:52Quietly, I might add, otherwise the noise monsters will find her.
- 30:57And from my experience, I have I have two pieces of data on this point.
- 31:03And that is baby having is generally not a quiet experience, not how I would describe it.
- 31:10Loud, chaotic.
- 31:14Stressful.
- 31:17Terrifying.
- 31:19Quiet, not one of them.
- 31:22Other shower scenes include The Grudge, where a mysterious hand is reaching out of your head anytime you close your eyes in the shower.
- 31:31Arachnophobia has a giant sh spider in the shower.
- 31:35And Final Destination has the leaky toilet, which kills a man as he is strangled to death by a shower curtain line after he falls on the water that the leaky toilet creates.
- 31:48It's a lot.
- 31:50And I'm sure I didn't help you much if you suffer from oblutophobia today, but at least now we got the word out.
- 31:57People are becoming more aware.
- 32:00I would encourage you if you suffer from this.
- 32:02First of all, I'd love to talk to you about it, privycast at gmail.com.
- 32:06But I would encourage you get some help.
- 32:08Get clean, but get the help you need to be able to do so.
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