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- 0:05Hi, I'm Jay felon, and you're listening to the slippery slope.
- 0:09So today, I wanted to discuss this headline that she came
- 0:12from, the ABC news. And it says, Watchdog singles
- 0:15out, the ACT, which stands for Australian Capital territory
- 0:19court for extremely unusual decision in secret trial of
- 0:25former military intelligence officer that should not Have
- 0:30happened, very long, very long headline.
- 0:33But anyway, very important story, I believe.
- 0:37So the top secret trial conviction sentencing and
- 0:40jailing of a former military military intelligence officer
- 0:44known as witness. Jay has been described as
- 0:47unusual and unprecedented with one of Australia's national
- 0:51security Watch Dogs warning. It should never have happened
- 0:56the main referred to as witness J or Alan Jones.
- 1:00Was convicted of mishandling classified information that
- 1:03potentially reveal the identities of Agents recruited
- 1:08by Australian intelligence agencies strict.
- 1:12Secrecy orders were applied to all aspects of the case and his
- 1:16entire trial occurred behind closed doors with details.
- 1:20Only coming to light. When witness Jay took action in
- 1:23the ACT, courts to complain about his treatment and what he
- 1:28claimed was a breach of his Is human rights.
- 1:31The Commonwealth was able to suppress the details of the case
- 1:35or using the national security information, act a piece of
- 1:39legislation also used in recent cases against whistleblowers
- 1:45Bernard kaleri witness K and David McBride.
- 1:49So witness J's. Extraordinary case fueled a
- 1:52debate over transparency in the legal system.
- 1:56It's funny that we have to have a debate over transparency.
- 2:00I do bite of one. Why does it need to be debated?
- 2:03I always thought it was a given that in the legal system in
- 2:06Australia in a country like Australia that the legal system
- 2:10was transparent. But yet we have to debate about
- 2:13it now because there is no transparency.
- 2:17So many things are done behind closed doors, which we are
- 2:20finding out, then I'll continue on.
- 2:23And so this transparency and whether too much ground had been
- 2:27ceded to National Security. Concerns.
- 2:31So, in March of 2021, the independent National Security,
- 2:35legislation, monitor known as the iron slm Grant, Donaldson SC
- 2:41re started an investigation into how the legislation had been
- 2:46used in The Ellen, John's witness J case.
- 2:49So, Alan Jones showed that how the law can be used to conduct a
- 2:54Federal Criminal prosecution in secret, from start to finish.
- 3:00To maintain this, secrecy seemingly indefinitely his
- 3:04reports it, he goes on to say that this should not have
- 3:07happened in this case, and it should never happen again, mr.
- 3:12Donaldson raised concerns with how the ACT Supreme Court had
- 3:17agreed to closed hearings in the case without even hearing any
- 3:22formal submissions from the parties involve describing that
- 3:26decision as extremely unusual. Or the Open Court principle is
- 3:32most significant in criminal matters.
- 3:35He said there is clearly and obviously, a public interest in
- 3:39conducting criminal proceedings and prosecutions in open courts.
- 3:44When the executive government prosecutes crime.
- 3:47It is wielding some of government's most immense power
- 3:52and those proceedings should be seen and watched mr.
- 3:55Donaldson noted other unusual aspects of the case.
- 4:00Namely that there was no evidence presented to the court
- 4:04as to why hearings should be closed and no reason for the
- 4:08decision were offered. He argued the decision not to
- 4:12publish any of the sentencing remarks of act Supreme Court
- 4:17Justice. John Burns was unprecedented.
- 4:20He goes on to say the vast majority of Justice Burns
- 4:24remarks. When sentencing Elam John's
- 4:27could have been made public. It's what, mr.
- 4:29Listen Sue. So the ins LM recommended that
- 4:33in exceptional cases where closed hearings were requested.
- 4:37The Attorney General the forced to justify their position for
- 4:42the court. Mr. Donaldson also said, the
- 4:45fact, secrecy orders have been applied should be made public.
- 4:50And reasons, should be published.
- 4:53Listen, when I'm thinking about about court hearings held in
- 4:58secrecy. People being sentenced in
- 5:02secrecy in secret. Nothing coming to light about
- 5:07the case. And even at the reasonings, why
- 5:10we keeping these things secret? I don't think of Australia.
- 5:14I think of China, think North Korea, Russia.
- 5:19Just the name, because she's there, the things, they're the
- 5:21countries that I think of, when I think of these kind of behind
- 5:24closed doors court rulings, I don't think of a democratic
- 5:29Nation. Like Australia that holds itself
- 5:31up on this pedestal as being a beacon of democracy and a beacon
- 5:36of Truth and openness. And yet, we're seeing more and
- 5:40more in Australia. And it's quite, frankly, doesn't
- 5:44really matter, whether it's liberal or labor, we are seeing
- 5:46more and more within our governments.
- 5:48These this, this desire to go behind closed doors and just do
- 5:54whatever they want to do it. Last year, I did, I did another
- 5:57episode and it was regarding I've mentioned this.
- 5:59A couple of Once but it needs to be said and it was regarding at
- 6:03the the ability or Azo to monitor or to conduct
- 6:10surveillance upon Australian citizens.
- 6:13And they don't need to have a warrant to do.
- 6:16This warrantless surveillance conducted on Australian
- 6:21citizens. This is what Asia is.
- 6:23Now is allowed to do is able to do.
- 6:27It's always secrecy, they do. Not have to justify why they are
- 6:33conducting surveillance on their own citizens.
- 6:36We are heading into Dangerous Waters here.
- 6:39Australia is no longer that Beacon that light of Freedom,
- 6:44that light of Truth. Openness so many things in our
- 6:49society have been going the wrong way lately.
- 6:52In the last couple of years. We've seen police in different
- 6:56states being used more like more, like they are.
- 6:59Riding in a police state we've seen.
- 7:02We've seen the whole areas, placed under placed under
- 7:07curfews, as if we were living in some kind of third world
- 7:11country, you know, with it with the coup going on.
- 7:14We see in people locked up in their own houses.
- 7:17Simply for not having a vaccine not even allowed to venture
- 7:21outside into their backyard. I'm thinking the the Northern
- 7:24Territory Australia is going down towards a dark place where
- 7:29the the government wants to control and operate in an area
- 7:34of growing secrecy. I said it before I'll say it
- 7:38again. We need to hold our politicians
- 7:41more accountable for the decisions they make We cannot
- 7:46allow them to continue to operate in this kind of secrecy.
- 7:51Our bureaucracies are not should not be operating in this kind of
- 7:56secrecy. I'm all for people being held
- 7:59accountable for the actions if they have done the wrong thing
- 8:02and if they have put Australian lives and our Australian
- 8:06agencies at risk, but we still need open and transparent
- 8:11justice. Otherwise we are no better than
- 8:15the That we point the finger at and say they are ruled by by
- 8:19despots and dictators. That's my opinion.
- 8:23Thank you for listening to the slippery slope.