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Laura Jane Grace · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's deprogram, the podcast where we try to get you into an
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artist. That's right.
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We've done all the work for you. All you have to do is press play
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and listen. And today, well, today we're
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doing this. This it's it's finally happening
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is what I'm going to say. Like this, this episode has been
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cursed since we put it together. So it's nice to finally like
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actually hit the record button and finally let it come
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together. We're talking about Laura Jane
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Grace today and John I initially I, I believe you.
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You put this up for several reasons #1 because of the short
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discography #2 because you wanted to contest our against me
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list. And you know, more on that at,
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at it probably at on after the fact.
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We'll talk about that at a later point, but I mean, there's more
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to it, right? Like it's not just those
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reasons. Yeah, I mean, Laura is a real
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interesting person. I first met her in 1998, I think
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she was 15, was travelling with with someone.
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They came up to Athens to our little DIY show space, see a
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show in our store, remember, like seeing them at the top of
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the steps. They're like, yeah, you know,
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we're traveling up from Florida. We're like going around.
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I'm in this band. And I remember too, we were, we
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were booking shows again, this may be a year or two later.
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We were booking shows at A at a bookstore in the basement of a
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bookstore in town. And my friend Matt got a 7 inch,
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the first against me, 7 inch sent to book a show.
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And he like, he's like, you guys got to hear this.
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So played it. And I was like, this is the
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greatest thing that I've ever heard.
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And like we, we booked them to to come play.
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It was just Laura and Kevin who was their original drummer,
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played on buckets. Like I still have the set list.
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And they just blew my mind. I was like, this band is going
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to change the world. Like I, you know, we talked
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about with, with Ladderman a little bit, like against me was
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one of those bands that is like, it was like seeing, you know,
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Green Day in 1989 or seeing, you know, Nirvana in 1987.
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You're like, man, like we are in on the ground floor on this
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thing. And like this band's gonna be
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huge. Like this band's gonna gonna,
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this thing is gonna change everything.
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And I remember too, like, so we, we played with them, you know,
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like we would go down to Gainesville and play.
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They would come up and play, you know, we would book shows for
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them and like on in the shows kept getting bigger and bigger.
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And like, you know, when I remember going down and like we
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are our van had a problem. Like we were in Gainesville.
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The van was like breaking down. We went to meet Laura for the
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she was booking the show that we were playing.
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And I was like, oh, you know, I saw this, you know, our fans
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having problems. But I saw this flyer in town for
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van repair. I was going to call this person
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and she was like, yeah, that's me.
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So, yeah, like we we kind of had this like camaraderie, you know,
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with their band, like we would we would play with them all the
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time. And like, guess you go see them
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play and it got to the point like, you know, they they run.
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No idea. And it got to the point where
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they were, you know, moving up and the shows kept getting
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bigger and bigger. And I remember after they were
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on fat, I think after switching for former clarity came out, I
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went to go see them in Atlanta at like a like a real kind of
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bigger club. And I remember like, you know,
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went to go seeing the show was great, but like it was
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different. Like it wasn't like the the DIY
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shows that we had like the energy is just different.
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So I was gonna go like talk to them after the show and be like,
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Hey, you know, good show. Remember Me?
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Hey, I came to see you guys and this bouncer stops me and is
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like you can't come in the backstage only you got to have a
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band like no, I like I know them like we we go back like it's
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good. Nope, we got to have a you got
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to have a pass. You got to have a VIP like you
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can't. I was like, OK, I guess things
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have changed. And then, you know, they go and
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sign to sire do the major label record, which didn't go great
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from what I understand. And like they were kind of, you
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know, the martyrs of the DIY scene.
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It was like, oh, how could that you know, they it was one of
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like the same with Jawbreaker, same with all these other bands.
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It was like, we'll never sign. And then they did.
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And so this is, you know, before Laura transition.
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So they against me kind of broke up.
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Like they were gone for a while after the major label thing fell
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through. And I think it was probably
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20/14/2013 or 2014. And I see on Twitter there used
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to be a parody account called Jaded Punk Hulk.
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If you know, then you know, I guess.
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But they posted something on the feed about how, you know, oh, I
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guess the singer of Against Me is a girl now.
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I was like, wait, what? And then she was on the cover of
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like Rolling Stone the next week.
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And I remember reading that and just, like, it just kind of hit
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me like, oh, man. Like, because I had been out of
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the kind of scene for, you know, 10 or so years at that point.
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You know, my band was long broken up.
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We, we never could reach those heights, obviously.
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But I remember reading that and just being like, man, like that
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explains like, I #1 like, I hope she's happy.
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But like, I'm, it made me kind of miss those like days of like,
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you know, being in the, the DIY punk rock scene.
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And like, because, because when she came out as trans, it was
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like, she kind of was like, oh, you know, I, I didn't get a lot
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of support from the, from the DIY punk rock community.
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Like, so she kind of became this guy, became this other join this
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other group that, you know, became this, I won't say icon,
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but like almost like she's a big in that in that scene, you know,
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and like as like a trans artist, a lot of people look up to her
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and a lot of people they against me has gained a lot of new fans
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by her coming out as as trans and, you know, being very open
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and and forthright about it. And like she wrote a book called
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Tranny like my pictures in the book at some point there's a
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picture from a show in Athens and I'm in the background
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somewhere. Me and my friends like the the
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one of the covers, the sides of the disco before the breakdown,
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7 inches. A picture from a show I was at.
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My friends are in the picture. So I was kinda like, man, like
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I, you know, I had no idea. But like I, I hope that like she
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is happy now and I like that they can get some closure.
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And of course, like there, there's this big groundswell of
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interest and against me after that happens and being on the
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cobra of Rolling Stone and all that.
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So they put out, she starts putting on new music and like
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against me puts out a new record, the transgender to
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Swaria Blues. And like, that's a great record.
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Like they came back and like it was, it was great and but like,
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it's a whole new thing now. And I did not get, I think I I
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may have gone to see them one time, but after she
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transitioned, but I kind of just stood in the back and watched
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and, you know, just kind of see what it was like.
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But then I was going to go went down to fest in Gainesville a
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couple years ago, I think 2023. And Laura was kind of
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headlining, like she had moved to Chicago and, like, been
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around and kind of been nomadic and making different records.
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And like, the status of against me is again, kind of up in the
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air. But she was going to be like
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closing down fest at the end of the weekend, playing like a solo
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show. And so, you know, I stuck around
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and, you know, made it in. It was packed.
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And seeing her in, you know, the town where it all started in
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Gainesville and, you know, in there with, you know, a few
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hundred other people. And just to hear her play those
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old songs, like in everyone singing long and like being who
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she is and like being open and like, it was, it was really
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powerful to be in that room. And I, I, it kind of like
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affected me a little bit. Like, I got a little bit
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emotional. Like, man, like here's this
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person that I knew 25 years ago as like this kid and they've got
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gone on this journey. And like, I was just obviously a
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small, small, small part of it. I'm not claiming that I, you
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know, was any, anything more than just a person in a band who
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who booked some shows and played with them.
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But there were more people who did much, much more.
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But, you know, we were kind of in the same scene for a little
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bit. And so to see her now as like
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this, like I said, like this icon, like this No, like person
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who has this notoriety and you know, just being around
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Gainesville and like she got the key to the city that weekend.
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And like I remember walking by and like she was being
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interviewed by like the TV station.
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And like, just to see her as this like fully realized person
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is, is really cool to me because like, like I said, I could think
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back and like still see that 15 year old kid and, and be like,
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yeah, like, who knew? You know, this journey that
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she's been on And like on the doing solo records now, which is
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what we're going to talk about today.
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There's a there's a new solo record coming out next week.
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She's went to Greece and like formed a kind of an impromptu
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band with some Greek musicians and her wife now.
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And so, yeah, it's like she's all done these collaborations.
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She was covered. I think it was androgynous by
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the like Miley Cyrus and Joan Jett.
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And like, it's, it's really cool to see the, like the artist,
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like the growth that that she's had.
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And like, it just kind of hit me because like, you know, you, you
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don't get that a lot. Like, yeah, you're not kind of
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understand how those people felt.
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Like, you know, when Green Day got big or when whoever else,
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you know, those bands have started out really small and
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then they grow and kind of become this other thing.
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Yeah. I, I love, you know, I love
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against music. I still go back and listen to
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that stuff all the time when it comes up.
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So, you know, brings back those feelings and like her her solo
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stuff is kind of morphing in kind of a different direction.
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You know, we'll see what the what the new one sounds like
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there. There's a couple of songs on
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band camp already. One of them we included in the
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in the playlist here. But yeah, I mean, it's she's
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kind of become like, I think a really appropriate like an
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apartment description. I think someone said I didn't
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read this, that she was like, it's kind of a Jonathan Richmond
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thing. Like she's kind of embracing
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this, you know, very simple style like this, almost like
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rock'n'roll 50s and 60s style into this punk thing.
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And it's really interesting and I've talked way too much, so I'm
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going to let let someone else take it.
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But this, this is yeah, this, this means a lot to.
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Me well, no. Well, that is shining through
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like how much it means to you and how how geeked up you are
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about this. And I all of those stories are
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like fantastic. And I recommend folks.
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I'm sure we're going to dig in more on this on the after the
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fact. So it's only a dollar a month to
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Hi Justin. But Peter, like when this gets
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pitched out there about, hey, should we do Laura's solo stuff?
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You go yeah. Is this more of the same like
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just kind of growth off of being an against me fan or is there
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more to it than that? It's mostly growth from being an
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an against me fan. Like I didn't listen to her
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first solo record when it came out, but I listened to her
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second one and I was like, OK, it's is this good?
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Like it's she's kind of adding like a Springsteen level to her
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solo stuff where there's like songs about characters and every
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well, most of the songs are a little bit more mid tempo and
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it's just really interesting to see like what else she she she
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has to say that she doesn't want to say in against me.
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Yeah, I I could tell. So you mentioned the word artist
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and John when you when you were talking about her, and you know,
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I don't want to like harp on that, but like she is very much
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an art, a very gifted songwriter, which, you know, we
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knew coming out of the against me, you know, episode after
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listening to that band. But like hearing hearing her
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kind of like spread her wings and you know, sometimes it's
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flops, like sometimes it's it's misses as far as like, you know,
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it's not. Oh man, you know, this is the
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greatest thing I've ever heard. But sometimes that those chances
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she's taking in in this are just fun and sometimes they're like
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profound. And it, it seems like she's
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really benefiting from not being constrained to, you know,
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however you want to list against me like to, although I'll I'll
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say like, I, I feel like some, you know, there are some cross
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threads in the later against me records, you know, against her
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solo stuff for the most part. Like they're clearly separate,
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which is awesome. Like to your point, Peter, like
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there's like a Springsteen, like a a cool thing to her.
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And it, I mean, she's pretty controversial too.
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And she doesn't she's not shy to say what's up.
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Like she played a Bernie rally earlier this year and, you know,
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we'll probably talk about the song later, but you know, of
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course, immediately lightning rod, you know, people are coming
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out and oh, you know, why is she out here saying this?
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And I mean, of course people were saying much worse things
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because she's a trans person, But like, it's she's she's not
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afraid to do that, which is you have to be able to be able to
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willing to be willing to speak out.
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And she is. And and boy did she.
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So this isn't like a huge discography, John, but you know,
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I don't know if my my point rings true about, you know,
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Missus and kind of fun, but it's I think it worked out to like 60
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something songs like when you're carving together, you're 20 for
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this, like, is there something you're looking for like as
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you're putting it together? Not necessarily.
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I mean, it's, it's, it's just different because you know, with
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against me there, there's like baggage there, right?
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Against me. It's been a band for a really
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long time. That was her band when she was
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1516 years old. And then like like you said,
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like when you when you have someone break free of that and
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go solo, there's it's always going to be really interesting
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to see where they take that. And, you know, trying to capture
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some of that to see like, oh, here's here's something where
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she tried this and here's something where incorporated
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this other style. And and like, and again, here's
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songs where it's specifically about, you know, some, some of
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the issues that she's she's always been someone who writes
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about what she's feeling at the time.
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You can see that like all the way back to the early against me
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stuff. She's always been like a hard on
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your sleeve kind of writer. So that still comes through, I
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think really effectively. But you know, it's tough too,
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because some of this stuff on this list was released before
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she transitioned and a lot of it is is different.
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I don't know if she even like plays those songs or plays them
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differently now. And then there's stuff, you
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know, the the newest one in the the previous one, there's
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obviously there's some very pointed, you know, trans issue
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songs in there and you know, some of that stuff is important.
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So yeah, it's just look into there's, there's a, it's not a
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lot of songs, but there's a really diverse mix or just
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trying to capture all of that, I think.
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What do you think, Peter? Is this something that you can,
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is this a list that you kind of struggled to put together or the
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stuff kind of stand out and you just kind of went with it?
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I think stuff just kind of stood out and I went with it because
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like we said, like she does take some swings and she does, she
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does miss sometimes, I'll say that.
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So this was just basically me taking all the songs were like,
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OK, yeah, this, this works. It's fucking rocks and just
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adding them up to 20. I, this is one of those bands
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and there's going to be more of these coming up where I kind of
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accidentally took in the entire discography.
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I think John gave the list shortly after we, we put the
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panel together and I, I pushed play and I got some weird
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Pac-Man game for free on PlayStation Plus a couple months
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ago. And I was like, ah, let's see
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what this thing is about. And I push play while I was,
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while I was playing it. And I listened to Laura and
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played this, it, it was a weird thing happening listening to
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Laura Jane Grace and playing Pacman, but not Pacman as as you
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think of it. And, you know, I could
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immediately tell that there's, there's a silly side to her that
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comes out in, in the solo, the, the solo stuff, which I
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definitely wanted to try to find a way to bring some of it in.
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There's a lot of pointed stuff. There's a lot of serious stuff.
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It's it's a mixed bag and it it, it came together rather quickly.
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But I also feel like that might play against, you know, I keep
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saying the word against today, but it might play against us
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here. John, It's it's 60 songs.
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You know, we always talk about the math and there's only three
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of us. There were supposed to be 4 of
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us. Do you think, do you think
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there's enough common ground that we kind of blast this out
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of the park? What do you think for the final
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say? Yeah, it's tough.
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I've, you know, been trying to be optimistic and hasn't really
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worked out. I'm going to say I'm.
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Going to say. 4. OK.
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All right. Yeah, all.
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Right. Yeah.
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I mean, you know, we could all find ourselves in different
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corners of this. I, I could easily see that.
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What do you think, Peter? This could go either way,
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really. I think I'll go with six.
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All right, Well, then I guess the easy thing for me to do
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would be to split the difference, right?
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I think I'm going to do that. It's there.
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It's available. You know what's the worst that
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happens? I win.
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Who knows? We'll see.
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All right, we're going to take a quick pause and when we come
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back, we're going to play the game.
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It's deprogrammed. And with that, the name of the
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game is deprogrammed. The three of us have come
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through Lord Jane Grace's describe discography, easy
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enough for me to say, and plucked out 20 songs.
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They were now going to match together in an attempt to create
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a top 10 starter kit for you. In case you have never listened
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to Lord Jane Grace's solo work. Well, where better to start?
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Even though I don't think this is one of those artists where
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like the thing necessarily is the thing.
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But I do think it was like a great place to start and it
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really kind of set the tone for me and and made it such a breeze
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to listen to. Listen to her discography from
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the jump. So how about random hearts?
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No. No.
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Oh, wow. Double no.
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OK, into the bin. All right, That's interesting.
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All right. Where you want to go, John?
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All right, I'm going to go with a more recent one.
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This is the first one that she played at that show that I
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talked about a fest a couple years ago.
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She came out in a in a police uniform and broke out this one.
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How about I'm not a cop? I definitely had that on my
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first pass for sure. Oh, OK.
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Apparently it did not make my my final list.
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It's. Going to be like that then.
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Was that a no for you as well, Peter?
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Yeah, that was enough. OK, now that is a bummer.
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I mean, there's a lot of songs like that that were in play for
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me that just, you know, for whatever reason or another,
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didn't make my final list. All right, Peter, where you want
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to go? Let's see if we can find
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something here, OK? I don't.
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I don't agree with the title, but I hate Chicago.
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I got it. Yes, she she mentions a few
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bands in there including Slint, which I really love.
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But I did have the song, yes. Yeah, that is not one I thought
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was going to be. You know, it's funny, though.
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I was looking at that one, Peter.
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Like, as you know, where do I go?
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Like, where do I go next to kind of try to find you guys?
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And seems like we had the the same thought there.
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Yeah. All right.
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Where's my search function? I hate Chicago.
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I have the whole thing up there. We go Turn that down a little
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too loud. I hate Chicago.
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I hate Chicago is in. Yeah, scroll back down to the
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Now I have to rethink what's next.
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All right, there we go. I hate Chicago is in and All
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right, I'll I'm going to put this one out there because I
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it's pointed. It's the song she played for at
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the Bernie rally. I think it's a great song.
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It's new, your God. God's Dick.
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Yeah, I've got it. Yep.
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Yeah, there we go. I mean, it's pointed as fuck,
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like it is square and you know, I remember when I can't remember
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if it like came out right as we were putting the list together
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for this or. Yeah, it did.
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And you were like. It was the first song released
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from the new one. Yeah.
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Yeah. And you're like, should we
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include it? And I was like, yeah, you know,
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why not? And then like, I finally got to
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that. I was like, oh, I'm so glad we
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we included this one. All right, let me get this one
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back up to the top here. Oh, computer, you are so funny.
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I had a feeling about that one because it's it's just great.
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All right, John. How about old friends stay
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alive? No, but that's a great song.
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Yeah. I was going to consult the
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written list first, no? Wow.
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Feels like it's going to be that kind of day.
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Old friends stay alive. All right, Peter.
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How about how about born in black?
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Let's see, Born. Late cut.
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Yeah, I don't have it either. All right.
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Interesting. I mean, judging by the
26:22
conversation, judging by the discog, I had a feeling it was
26:27
going to kind of be like this. Maybe not so many ones from the
26:31
jump, but all right. How about I have a hole in my
26:54
head? Yeah, I've got that one.
27:00
Yep. Hey, all right, interesting.
27:05
I mean, yes, but also like interesting.
27:11
Seems like some things are just really standing out with us.
27:21
Oh, oh, my old ass eyes are betraying me.
27:35
All right, my head is in. And where you want to go, John?
27:42
All right, sometimes the, you know, bands have, you know,
27:46
titles for these songs that you know, there's some things if you
27:50
if you title a song this, I'm automatically going to pick it.
27:54
This one is one of those punk rocking basements.
27:58
Yeah. Hold on a second.
28:06
That must have been 21. Yeah, that must have been 21.
28:12
OK, we'll take the 2, right. But you're right, like that's I
28:18
get that. That really must have been 21
28:22
because I swear I thought I had that.
28:26
I mean growing up in the 90s like and watching bands like
28:30
Discount and Hot Water Music like punk rock and basements was
28:33
sort of my life. I get it.
28:37
I get that. But we don't have basements in
28:41
Florida. We don't really in Virginia
28:45
either. I mean, you know, some places in
28:48
Virginia, at least not where I'm at, I should say, because I'm
28:51
kind of right on the water. So.
28:54
All right, John. Oh, wait.
28:56
No, Peter. That was going to be my next
29:00
pick, so let's see where do I want to go?
29:07
How about Amsterdam hotel room? No.
29:15
No. Go all.
29:21
Right. It's always nice when I have
29:24
like a reason or I know where it dropped out.
29:28
It's always bad when I don't. All right?
29:37
I don't know, I keep scrolling past this one, I think because
29:39
it says fuck you in the title, but what about fuck you just
29:43
because? No.
29:48
Yes. Yeah, you're right.
29:50
It it it like even in, you know, the title and obviously like it
29:55
feels like her attitude like yeah, fuck you.
30:00
Just because I kind of needed that, needed to have that.
30:03
So all right, we'll take that too.
30:06
That's good, John all. Right.
30:11
This is one that she talked about a lot when this record
30:13
came out as like an important one.
30:15
Dysphoria Hoodie. Yes.
30:19
No. OK, that, that one, I think was
30:28
teetering as, you know, a possible cut.
30:34
And then I listened to it a third time and I was like, but
30:38
how like, how do I, how do I lose this one?
30:40
Like it feels like it feels like a really important part of her
30:46
her journey. So I mean, it's it's great to
30:50
hear that she said almost as much.
30:53
So all right, Dysphoria Hoodie gets a 2 and Peter.
31:01
How about I can't see you, but I know that you're there.
31:06
No. Yes.
31:08
Hey, all right, I'll take these twos.
31:12
These twos look like they're going to be critical.
31:20
All right, this is a good time for me to note that when I
31:28
asked, I didn't get a single answer.
31:31
The Internet didn't answer at all.
31:34
So usually, usually the answers I get kind of like help me frame
31:41
my gameplay, like where do I want to go on my list?
31:43
That's why I'm kind of all over the place here.
31:48
I mean you got answers for sponge but not large and crazy.
31:51
I couldn't believe that. And you know, I don't know, man.
31:56
Like, I feel like I feel like people have opinions on this and
32:02
just, you know, maybe I just asked at the wrong time and it
32:05
just didn't enough people didn't see it to be able to answer it.
32:09
I don't know. I.
32:11
Mean she's very active on threads.
32:13
He should have asked her. I should have, right?
32:15
In hindsight, I should have. And she's the type who would
32:20
answer like, she definitely mixes it up with people.
32:28
Sometimes I look at Spotify to kind of help shore up my list
32:33
and or. Shore up my bad idea.
32:36
I get it, I understand, but like, you know, sometimes the
32:41
numbers kind of like help me understand, you know, what's
32:47
kind of resonating, you know, outside of me.
32:51
So like sometimes I use that and this is one of those.
32:55
How about the swimming pool song?
32:59
Yeah, I've got that. Yeah, I've got it too.
33:02
There we go. See, it's not always a bad idea,
33:05
John. I mean, sometimes when it
33:11
usually I'm looking at like last cuts when I'm looking at that,
33:16
like if I'm looking at cutting a song and then I go to Spotify
33:21
and it's like 1 of the top plate songs, it's like, OK, well,
33:24
maybe I need to give it another listen and why am I thinking
33:28
about cutting this thing? So glad I kept this one.
33:34
All right, boom. Just like that at 4.
33:38
It's a very interesting like way this is this is happening
33:41
though. All right, John all.
33:46
Right, I picked a few from Heartburns.
33:52
How about Anna as a stool pigeon?
33:54
Yes. Yeah.
33:56
All right, there we go. Move right past my 4:00 there.
34:01
Yeah, I mean again, whenever you pick something low like it's,
34:06
you always want to be wrong, but like the other way.
34:09
Yeah. Always better to get more, but
34:12
we definitely need to go past this 5 now because your boy
34:17
doesn't want to win. All right, Anna is a stool
34:21
pigeon. Boom and boom, which was a song
34:25
that was always going to get in. But Spotify definitely told me
34:28
that this is one of her most played songs.
34:31
So I was like, oh, OK, I was right about that, Peter.
34:40
How about supernatural possession?
34:42
Yes, that was the next one I was looking at.
34:46
No. OK, we'll take that too.
34:51
Boom 2. All right, already did that one.
35:06
All right, this is an interesting one.
35:15
How about day old coffee? I like the song, but I don't
35:23
like daled coffee all. Right into the bin.
35:30
All right, John. All right, how about Apocalypse
35:36
Now and. Later.
35:38
Oh fuck yeah. I love that but no that one was
35:43
a late cut too. She's she's got away with song
35:48
titles for sure. Yeah.
35:50
Apocalypse Now and later is great, all right, Peter.
36:02
How about cuffing season? Yeah.
36:08
No. Where is it though?
36:14
There it is. Is that 2 right back around to
36:22
me? I think I'm I'm very quickly
36:28
running out of sauce here. Let me give it a quick 123-4567.
36:34
I still have a good couple. We've got a couple more rounds
36:38
in US, I think. How about 3 of hearts?
36:51
No. No.
36:54
All right, Bind John. The hotel song.
37:01
Oh no. No.
37:07
She's got a lot of those too. The The Blank Song.
37:10
Yeah, yeah. All right, Peter.
37:16
Let's try another the song, the friendship song.
37:22
Yeah. No, I.
37:26
Think we're officially out of NTP?
37:29
Oh, we have been all. Right, let's see, Friendship
37:34
gets a 2. Shuffle the deck here and then.
37:39
I already did that one. Did that one?
37:46
How about Reality Bites? Nah, no.
37:53
OK. Good movie, but. 123 All right,
37:59
John. Please leave no.
38:04
No. OK.
38:11
It's funny. I was like, oh, and then no, all
38:17
right. Peter, how about active trauma?
38:26
No. Close, but no.
38:33
Wait, why is that not coming up? Act.
38:43
Why is that not coming up? All right, How about razor Blade
38:56
Blues? No.
39:03
No. All right, John.
39:12
Conceptual paths back to the beginning.
39:18
Yeah, I've got it. Hey.
39:20
I do not. All right. 2 Peter.
39:34
Have we? Have we done China Beach yet?
39:36
We have not, but I have it. I do too.
39:44
Hey, just like that. Boom.
39:49
Yeah. And now the weight all goes to
39:52
Peter. Unless we get another one.
39:58
Unless we get another one. There's right, there's a couple
40:01
couple more here. I feel like on my all right,
40:07
boom and boom, let me shuffle the deck here, see what I got
40:11
left. I think I've only got like 4
40:15
left one. That one's done 1231.
40:24
Two, I've got 3 left. Three.
40:26
Yeah, OK. So.
40:27
Yeah, I'll just dump out then and I feel like, all right, I'll
40:32
start at the top amputations. Yeah.
40:37
Yeah. No way I kept skipping that one.
40:44
I love a good unanimous coming out of a dump out.
40:47
It just makes me ridiculously happy for some reason.
40:52
Although it does create more work on my end because I got to
40:57
find it in playlists and such. But just like that, none of us
41:01
are going to win. I mean, that's a positive.
41:06
This one may. Right, exactly.
41:08
Take take the weight off of all of us, boys.
41:12
Let's see the calendar song. No, no.
41:20
How about baby baby? No, no all.
41:27
Right. And then last but not least, all
41:30
fucked out. No.
41:35
Nope. OK, we got 7, which was more
41:41
than all of us. So yeah, we're going to have to,
41:44
you know, work, work our way all the way out.
41:47
But you got a chance to make this conversation a little
41:50
harder here, John. All right, I've got manic
41:53
depression. No.
41:58
Hanging tree. Nope.
42:02
And the last one is karma too close.
42:06
No. OK, well, there you go.
42:10
Conversation will not be any harder.
42:14
All right. And Peter?
42:18
I've got random hearts, harsh problems.
42:23
Wait a second, I LED with random hearts.
42:27
You did. You did.
42:28
I did, yeah. Shit, that's a 2.
42:32
That's a 2 now. So you did make you did make the
42:35
conversation harder. So harsh problems.
42:43
And then there's Cowards Sing at night.
42:46
That's a fucking really good one.
42:49
Last time we set this up in when you came in and I told you I was
42:53
having, you know, I was having doubts.
42:57
That was the song I was listening to.
42:59
I was like, man, I feel like I should have had that one.
43:05
All right, so we get 7 all the way through.
43:08
Let me shuffle the deck one last go and then I'll read, read down
43:12
what we got. I hate shit Cut.
43:18
Wait, one's missing? What's missing?
43:22
This should be 7123456. What you got?
43:34
I hate Chicago, your God God's Dick a hole in my head in as a
43:38
stool pigeon the swimming pool song China beach and
43:41
amputations. So I, I have it on one of them.
43:44
Yeah, I have it on one of them, but it didn't for some reason
43:48
move over to my the H Oh, I see why 12345?
43:56
OK, I see why it's 'cause there isn't an album name that next to
43:59
your God God's Dick. So it's showing up as six in my
44:04
per album list, but seven on my actual list.
44:07
OK, anyway, the boring stuff out of the way.
44:10
I'll I'll go down this one last go.
44:12
I hate Chicago. Your God, God, stick hole in my
44:14
head in as a stool pigeon. The swimming pool song, China
44:18
Beach amputations. I feel like we've got a really
44:20
good, nice rounded start here. And we got a bunch of twos.
44:24
John let me run these down real quick.
44:27
Punk rock in basements. Fuck you just because dysphoria
44:30
Hoodie, I can't see you. Oh, man, long title that I can't
44:34
read all of. There we go.
44:36
I can't see you, but I know you're there.
44:38
Supernatural Possession, Apocalypse Now and later, The
44:41
friendship song, cuffing season, conceptual paths, and random
44:45
hearts. Is there one that's kind of
44:47
really jumping out at you, John? Oh.
44:49
Just for you hoodie for sure. Right.
44:52
Is there any resistance to that, Peter?
44:56
No. Yeah, I'm OK with it.
44:57
I had a feeling. All right.
44:58
Was there one jumping out at you?
45:02
A pop Apocalypse Now and later. Oh yeah.
45:05
I'm so on board for that. I'm so on board for that.
45:10
It just happened. Don't do that to me.
45:13
Computer just for you, Hoodie. Apocalypse Now and later.
45:25
All right, that brings us up to A9.
45:30
My inclination is to lean towards punk rock and basements.
45:33
I don't know if that's the leader in the clubhouse for you
45:35
too, John. Yeah, I was thinking about it
45:39
and like, I think we, we already have two from heartburns.
45:44
I don't think we need any more. So like I can't see you
45:48
conceptual paths, random hearts. I'm thinking those are out.
45:54
Yeah, I think out of the ones that are left, I think, yeah,
45:58
punk rock in basements would probably be the one for me.
46:02
I mean attitudinally I could see fuck you just because.
46:08
That would be #2 yeah. There you go.
46:11
What do you think, Peter? Do you have a A ranking?
46:18
Same ranking punk rock and fuck you.
46:22
I really wanted old friends stay alive, but that's not going to
46:25
happen. Yeah.
46:27
What do we think? I mean, I, I feel like the
46:31
attitudes are are both kind of similar as far as punk rock and
46:37
basement. They both make sense here at 10.
46:41
Is there one that you're kind of leaning towards, John?
46:46
Oh well, like, like I said, you know, punk rock and basements.
46:48
That's always gonna you got me with the title right away.
46:53
And it is more of that like kind of rock'n'roll style that she's
47:00
like becoming, you know, more proficient in.
47:04
So I think, yeah, that would be, that'd probably be the one for
47:07
me. Yeah, I'm with it.
47:08
I mean, like I said, that was the one I was leaning towards
47:12
from jump. So let's do that.
47:16
Let's see if this list is complete.
47:20
Yeah, I keep looking at those stupid number, and I don't need
47:23
to. All right?
47:24
I hate Chicago. You're God.
47:25
God's Dick hole in my head. Anna is a stool pigeon in the
47:28
swimming pool song. China Beach Amputations,
47:30
Dysphoria Hoodie. Apocalypse Now and later Punk
47:33
rock in basements. John, out of those 10, which
47:37
one's the one? It's between hole in my head and
47:45
dysphoria hoodie for me. I think, I think you're right
47:49
there. What do you think, Peter?
47:56
I would say your God God's Dick or or a hoodie.
48:03
Going with a new one, OK. What's funny is those, those are
48:08
the two I was looking at is it's such a your God is such a strong
48:17
statement and it's, it's so great.
48:24
Eileen if we're, if we're looking at those 3 songs, Eileen
48:29
Dysphoria hoodie. I think, you know, like thinking
48:37
about like how important it is to her says a lot and putting it
48:43
out there. I I I think is probably the
48:45
move. But and since it was on all
48:47
three of ours, I think I think that says something too.
48:50
So let's go with dysphoria hoodie as our number one.
48:55
I'll get it on here in the background.
48:58
I'll run out down our list one last go and we will close up
49:02
shop. I got to get better and faster
49:10
at search function. All right, there we go.
49:15
Dysphoria Hoodie is our number one.
49:19
We have I hate Chicago, Your God God's Dick hole in my head and
49:23
it is a stole pigeon. The swimming pool song, China
49:26
Beach amputations, Apocalypse now and later punk rock in
49:29
basements rounds out our 10. Let's let Dysphoria Hoodie get a
49:32
moment in the sun. On a Saturday.
49:40
Morning with weed and coffee there we go love it she is such
49:50
a great songwriter and it really was a fun a fun go to, you know,
49:57
dip into dip into what she's been up to away from against me
50:06
and. And like and go check out the
50:08
new one like they're like that comes out next week.
50:10
By the time this is released, it'll be out.
50:13
Go check it out. Maybe there's something on there
50:14
that that we should have had on here.
50:16
Totally, and I mean it. It should also go it should your
50:22
God, God's Dick won't you know the new song at the time when we
50:26
put this together all made our our list.
50:29
So go again, I, I always bring this up whenever we do a short
50:36
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50:39
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50:41
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50:44
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50:46
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