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Wealth and Growth Mindset: Ademola Odewade & Luka Starcevic on Mental Jiu-Jitsu AI Leadership · King Dems Podcast | Growth Mindset, Leadership, AI and Business Insights

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  Difference between my emotion. I feel anger, I'm angry, I'm not
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  welcome to the King James Podcast and today I have a be a
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  very, very special guest. Welcome fighting out of Belgrade
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  Saviour Lukor, the mental jiu jitsu practitioner, Starchevich.
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  How are you, Lukor? How about Bruce Butter
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  announcement? Yeah, Bruce Butter announcement,
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  man. Thank you so much.
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  I appreciate it from the. Heart and you're welcome bad
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  you're welcome bad. It's high how we brought Bruce
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  Buffer, you know, to the podcast and keep Bruce Buffer, Bruce
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  Buffer announcement. Amazing.
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  Amazing, to be honest. Amazing.
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  I'm glad to have you here. To be honest.
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  Oh, wow. I'm really happy to to, to have
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  you on here. You know, before before I met
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  you, the only Luker I knew was Luca Madrich.
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  But now I know the star boy. Luca.
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  Luca. We are switching from soccer.
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  We are switching from soccer to fighting.
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  I am telling you, yeah, You know, life.
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  Life is a fight basically, you know.
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  You're growing a bit so, so in a way about the fighting itself.
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  Sorry, sorry for the for the traffic.
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  I enjoy being in in let's say, a nature connected to.
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  To civilization, I know because you are a philosopher just like
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  myself, you know, and philosophers get inspiration
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  from nature. I know, I know.
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  Did you want to talk about how, how we got to meet each other?
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  You know, it's quite it was quite a spontaneous moment.
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  Like you, you, you connected with me on LinkedIn and you,
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  your kind nature just offered to provide help to me on anything.
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  And you sent me your Calendly link and I really appreciated
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  it. Like kind people are difficult
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  to to come by at this age of time.
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  And you started talking about mental jiu jitsu and I'm like,
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  excuse me, do you know who you're talking?
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  To and you, you mentioned and you mentioned that that that day
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  jiu Jitsu was your topic. And in the end we did not even
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  talk about that. So could you please now answer
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  to me what was going on at that moment?
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  You know, I, yeah, I was telling somebody earlier in the day
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  about verbal jiu jitsu. You know, I am, I'm, I'm an MMA
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  enthusiast. And also I used to train before.
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  So I'm an MMA pundit. I contribute to the African
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  Fighters podcast. I've had guys in the UFC on this
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  podcast from every major MMA promotion in the world.
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  I've had guys from UFC, from PFL, from Bellator.
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  Recently I interviewed the banter with champion at brief CF
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  just before his title defence. Unfortunately he he lost that
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  one by way of jiu jitsu. You know, a guillotine choke.
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  From from Boris of Nicolich. Yeah, Boris of Nicolich.
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  Yeah, that guy, that's what privilege.
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  You're. Nice, my guy.
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  You trained. You trained your guy to beat my
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  guy. You're in trouble, Luca.
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  I, I, I, I was like, I was like a repeating right now because I
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  know that that our guy was fighting at the brave for the
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  for the title. Yeah, for the title.
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  When you when you mentioned by so so we are now now recognised
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  as a serious grappling players here in Serbia.
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  You guys are dangerous, man. You guys are dangerous.
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  That jiu jitsu it's dangerous because let's let's face the
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  fact you know my boy beat your boy in the striking hands down
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  like your boy don't have an answer for him in the striking,
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  but styles make fights. You know styles make fights, Yes
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  and yes, his jiu jitsu was outstanding.
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  I'm not gonna me. I'm very objective.
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  I see what I see is what I see. You know boys, lab Nicole each
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  right that's his name. He's an excellent, he's an
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  excellent jiu jitsu practitioner.
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  I don't know that guy has to be a black belt because he's guilty
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  and is tight. You know, he's his scrappiness.
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  Not, not just the death I, I, I believe people overseas in the
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  modern MMA that's part of combination of that like
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  scrimmage or scramble wrestling, something between wrestling and
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  jujitsu on the ground itself. And, and people are, are
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  definitely not respecting that segment so much because those
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  fighters are creating the, the, the real difference because we
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  can be a thrown down. But if you're able to get back
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  up with less energy expenditure, you are winning that fight
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  because of 4456 of those exchanges.
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  Exactly. Opponent going to be tired and
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  you won't be and then you can start hitting a button for as
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  soon as the bottom or or or child bottom however you call
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  it. And you know, it's, it's, it's
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  really crazy when, when you're dangerous on the ground, it's
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  really crazy. But but one person that really
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  made me get to respect Jiu Jitsu, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, is
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  Charles Olivera. OK.
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  What are your thoughts on Charles Olivera?
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  So I, I believe you are you are cheating for him against uh.
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  Yeah, I'm rooting for him against Superior, to be very
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  honest. Like Superior is, is he's
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  excellent, but I feel like he's he's quite cocky.
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  You know, the the successes kind of get into his head and he
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  needs a reality check. I don't know what you think.
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  He's from Georgia and close, close to you.
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  So probably you might have some bias, you know, in favour of him
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  because he's a European like yourself.
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  But what are your thoughts on on that fight?
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  Yeah, Spanish. And so that's the strong base
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  posture. That's a strong base, yeah.
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  I'm I'm really respecting hockey people because they're betting
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  on themselves and and when they when they fall down, they are at
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  the at the attack of everyone, which is also for their respect
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  because you need to get back up. You, you, you see what happened
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  to Connor? He ruined yes, he ruined his
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  fourth career in a way like that, but or money wise, he made
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  a lot so so not everyone can have a boldness to be cocky
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  enough for the whole world world to to to be mocking him, for
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  example. So I, I, I would give that fight
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  or let's say 5050 by the fighter side, anyone could, could win
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  definitely in if you ask me, both of them are amazing and and
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  it can happen, but marketing wise it it, it's even more
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  interesting that that's for sure.
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  I think. I think.
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  Because Ilya is not a big guy at all.
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  Yeah. He's not a big guy.
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  Yeah, he's not, he's not very big, but he's thick.
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  That that's what people don't realise, you know, he's he's not
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  tall. I I guess it's probably like
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  around 5/8. Yeah, 5 foot.
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  In May. Something like that.
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  Tall. But they're extremely explosive.
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  Yeah, very closely. His his body and bio mechanic is
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  extremely good because he's sitting on every punch and he's
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  he's really managing to to go with the flow, which a lot of
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  force, which is amazing. Of course, his jiu jitsu is also
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  very good and he has a well balanced centre of gravity so
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  that enables him to be able to pack those power punches very
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  well. That's about that dynamics and
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  who understand John Jones is sharing that in amazing sense
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  utilisation of whole body angles and and playfulness of weight
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  and etcetera. So, so, so it's also different
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  kind of game. You know, you know, you know,
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  what a lot of people do not realise is that, you know, when
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  it comes to fighting, fighting is as much a mental sport as it
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  is a physical sport, right? And you need that fight IQ to be
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  able to distribute your body weight in an efficient way,
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  right? Everybody has a frame that is
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  given to them by God, right? But you need to be able to
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  manipulate your body in such a way that you make yourself
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  heavier or lighter depending on where the fight goes to.
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  Definitely. And that is body physics.
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  And when you add to that even a character, it's even more
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  interesting because we are we are all first emotional
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  creatures and, and everyone are responding totally in a totally
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  different ways to the pretty similar stuff, kind of a stress
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  to competition to their mental modelling of world, etcetera.
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  So it's even important how to manage all those physical
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  attributes with the mental attributes, how you manage your
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  emotions, how you manage your perspective, tower fighting and
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  wild fighting. You're, you're, you're having
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  some like a sensitive fighters, you're having some thoughtful
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  fighters. You are having totally different
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  type of of of of people in a cage trying to express in a best
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  possible way. As Bruce Lee said, the most
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  honest. We water, my friend.
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  Yes, we water my friend Bruce Lee.
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  You know that. That guy is, you know, a highly,
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  highly respected combat philosopher of mine.
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  Have you? Have you?
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  When we are talking about philosophy, have you heard about
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  John Danaher? Uh huh.
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  Yes he is best most express the highest possible knowledge based
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  coach in in Marshall especially. John Kavanagh of SBG.
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  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. John.
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  John Danaher. Oh, Danaher.
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  He's from, Yeah, he's from Australia.
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  I need some research. Came to Colombia to to finish
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  his PhD in philosophy. Wow.
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  He was he, he was working as a bouncer at at at nightclubs in
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  New York. And afterwards he became a coach
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  in Brazilian Jiu jitsu because he had problems with his hip and
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  knee. And later he become best
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  possible coach. He was like one of the coaches
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  for George Saint Pierre regarding wrestling and ground
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  game and the best, the grappler, the best Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
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  Nogue fighter of all times, Gordon Ryan and the guy.
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  So yes, he's going to, yes, yes, she's amazing.
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  Like for the last six or seven years, I'm watching his
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  instructional tape and everything and Gordon Ryan's
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  instructional tapes beside a couple more fighters.
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  But definitely nowaday and knowledge is accessible to
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  everyone. And maybe that's the reason why
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  we from Serbia are so good with the with because we are loving
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  Internet and we are loving what is provided with it.
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  So, so maybe that's the reason why we're good.
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  I'm currently preparing for the European trials, wow, ADCC
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  trials in September in Poland. So so mixing a lot of the
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  different different things. So I think, I think Nikolich
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  needs to see this. Have you ever trained with
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  Nikolich before? To be honest, yes, even we had
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  some MMA inspiring, like it was five or six years ago, because I
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  was doing a little bit of striking etcetera.
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  But then I realised that that ground and pound it, it was
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  nice. We were throwing each each other
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  around, was punching a bit. It was funny.
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  But then I realised because he's a lot lighter than me, that that
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  ground and pound from the person who is like 20 kilos lighter
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  could be equally unpleasant like a heavyweight ground and pound,
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  so. He's a punch of weight.
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  Yes, that's realisation when someone know knows how to sit on
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  punch and and to to to to to throws it, it's amazing.
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  So definitely body and bio mechanics is important.
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  Very, very important. You know, my man, I guess you're
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  probably like a welterweight, are you?
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  No, you're mid weight. Yes, you're mid weight. 9090
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  kilos, 190 centimetres. While you're you're a big boy.
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  You're a big boy, yes. I I was, I was, I was building
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  up to last like last year while I was compounding that Chevy
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  weight weightlifting, I was almost to 100 and 10115 and now
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  I cut because of the cardio. Cardio.
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  Yeah, it does affect your cardio.
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  It's totally different. Yeah, it affects your cardio
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  peak time. The explosive work and the
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  cardiovascular work a lot now that's becoming my strength and
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  the strength is it's already there.
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  So I'm now trying to managing all the balls at the same time.
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  I know that feeling. You know, for me, I'm a
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  lightweight. My walk around weight is
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  something between 75 and 77 KGS, so you know that speed.
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  So the the beauty of being in between is you have that speed
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  advantage over the bigger boys. So the bigger boys have the the
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  punching power. But if you know how to work your
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  way around with the speed, you make a bigger boy look very,
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  very stupid. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
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  and, and, and, and we should respect that a lot because when
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  you're really a martial artist, if you ask me, you should really
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  respect art itself and you should really evolve with
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  everyone, no matter the, the size, P level attitude.
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  When I say attitude, when someone is healthy for the, for
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  the training, etcetera. But definitely you are always,
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  you're always learning. Yeah.
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  Even from the totally different guys and that's maybe when we we
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  are learning the most because we are adapting and that's the
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  speed of adaptations. Like like you, you told to me
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  about the questions and I was like, just shoot, man, Just
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  shoot. And you, you, you know
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  something, the, the fly weights and the Bantam weights, they
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  can't always make you look very, very silly.
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  Of course, they work for nice cardio and speed.
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  Those guys will make you look like you don't know what you're
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  doing in the gym. Yes, yes, and and and and I'm I,
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  I'm now I'm infinite believer in cardio.
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  Definitely. Infinite believer in my brother.
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  Definitely, definitely totally agree with you.
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  Like whatever you do, and of course, for those guys listening
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  to us out there, you know, make sure that you work out.
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  Fitness is very, very important, you know, and, and the very,
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  very base of fitness is, is cardio.
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  Like it's just like mixed martial arts.
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  If you get your wrestling right, yeah, you can start building
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  your striking on your jiu jitsu, right?
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  In terms of fitness, I think cardio is, is the base.
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  And a lot of people do not realise that cardio is something
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  that you build gradually. You know, the very first day you
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  can just do a 5 minute jog, next day, move it to 7 minutes.
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  The very next day you can move it to to 9 minutes.
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  You know, just have those two minutes variations over time and
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  it will shock you. In about two weeks you're able
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  to jog for one hour, but people just want to jog for 30 minutes,
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  one hour on the very first day and they gas out and they are
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  unable to continue the next day. So it's a gradual thing and
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  consistency is key. You know, you don't, you know,
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  do it today and say, oh, I'm not doing it tomorrow.
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  But little, little, you know, steps actually help you to build
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  up. I don't know if you want to talk
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  about, you know, building cardio, Luca.
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  To to, to, to be to be precise, my cardio due to everything last
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  year was sorry because of because of traffic.
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  So my cardio due to everything regarding weightlifting during
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  last last year was was pretty terrible.
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  I was like at VO two months like at 34 and I should have 38 if I
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  would not train anything. And it was pretty, it was pretty
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  disastrous. And I started something similar
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  to, to, to, to, to your way, but a little bit more nurtured and
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  with my doctor etcetera. And like for the two to three
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  times per week, I was aiming for that threshold below the below
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  the red zone or zone 5. At the end of zone four, people
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  will understand that it's around 8080 to 85% of your biggest
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  heart rate. And while I was practising that
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  zone for like 3 months, in those three months I got an increase
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  of to become, let's say, a solid sportsman.
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  And now I am becoming extremely eager about all that.
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  And now aiming to double the my my, my first number till the
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  September to go at like 60667869 or whatever, which is elite.
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  I'm now above the 60. Those are just the numbers.
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  But in the end, the idea is to be able to work.
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  At your almost the highest possible heart rate for 10
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  minutes and if another guy is not able to do that, you're
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  going to be leftover. And that's the idea about
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  fighting, but about health. If we put aside just physical
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  health benefits and we and we look only mental clarity while
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  you're doing something like zone 5 or or that about 85% of of
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  your maximum. And you're going to face
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  everything negative, everything blocking you and everything bad
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  within your mind while you're doing that.
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  And that's that's the for me, amazing practise to to just
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  establish even more. And I realise that how just
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  stuff showing up within your mind are not you in the end.
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  Those are just thoughts. Those are those are just
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  emotions. Those are just some memories,
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  some pictures and anything and whatever you voice are having
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  whispering you to, it's enough. It's hard, This is painful.
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  Why do I do this, Sasha? It's just amazing mental game.
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  And I was fascinated with mental games throughout my full life
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  because I found the immense power of mental itself from the
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  early childhood and I was experimenting with a lot of
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  stuff. And definitely one of the stuff
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  I would recommend to everyone would be let's say that higher
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  intensity cardio or cardiovascular endurance and
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  playing with that because when when hearts start pumping,
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  everything changes and then then you're gonna you're gonna meet
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  yourself on it all through a totally different lands.
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  Diversity introduces a man to himself and you know, when you
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  practise a hardware, you go into some very, very dark tunnels and
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  it's both mental and physical pain.
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  But I always talk about, you know, the mental and physical
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  sync for human beings, you know, on this podcast.
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  And I believe very much in in fitness.
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  So my philosophy is that for you to be a well-rounded person, you
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  need to achieve fitness and fitness has four quadrants.
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  You know, physical fitness, our financial fitness, you know,
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  mental, you know, slash emotional or mindset fitness and
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  a spiritual fitness. So basically, if you're feet in
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  this 4, you know, aspects of life, then you are a
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  well-rounded, successful person. But, you know, we are talking
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  more on the mental and physical side of fitness.
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  So when you do your cardio exercises, I understand that
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  I've been there, done that, right?
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  I've pushed myself, you know, beyond, you know, certain
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  limits. When you do those high intensity
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  exercises, I do, I do track, you know, with, you know, the Apple
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  Watch. And the good thing about the
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  Apple Watch is it gives you the, the level of intensity by the
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  time you're done with that, you know, with that workout, for
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  most people, they don't go beyond that level 5 or when you
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  get to level 6, level 7, level 8, you know, your body and your
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  mind will know that you've actually done something.
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  And I know you, you, you, you, you know, you know very well
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  how, how that feels. I want you to talk about that
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  mental barrier. You know that you face the
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  mental hurdles you have to face, especially when you're going
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  beyond level 5. OK, 7 and.
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  Not not knowing about the exact exact levels you're talking
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  about with the with the measurement itself, I'm only
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  watching that percentage of your maximum heart rate.
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  It's up to a zone 5. It's like a red zone.
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  That is how we call it red and I'm loving to play with that
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  one. For example, to increasing the
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  amount of time to mental and to increase amount of time I'm
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  being in red and like resting slightly above red for a 15 to
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  20 seconds and then getting back into red zone for 40 seconds.
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  And I'm mimicking that one minute and I'm getting prepare
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  for that minute of intensity, which is an infinite minute
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  because after that first minute is going to come a second one.
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  It's always one minute. And it's infinitely important
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  lesson for people nowaday because when they're talking
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  about hardship, about the struggle, about pain, about fear
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  about anything, guilt, shame, no matter sadness, we are feeling
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  things like they're going to last infinitely because our mind
• 25:34
  is set that way. But that infinite feeling does
• 25:40
  not last because only this moment is existing moment.
• 25:45
  And when we are giving exact commands to our mind and tell
• 25:52
  him, for example, we created the personality of our mind and we
• 25:57
  are giving him like a structure. And now we're doing only one
• 26:02
  minute and that's one minute. We're going to run hard for 40
• 26:05
  seconds. We're going to increase them
• 26:08
  extremely well in the, in the, in the red zone in, in close as
• 26:15
  close as possible to maximum. And then we're going to have our
• 26:18
  recovery. And our recovery is 20 seconds
• 26:22
  of a little lighter or even we can stand aside or anything.
• 26:28
  But after those 20 seconds, we have accomplished our goal, our
• 26:32
  small goal. And imagine now that minute
• 26:35
  being repeated 40 times and you are having in a training of 40
• 26:43
  minutes without any pause at the beginning and in the middle of
• 26:51
  hardest possible zone with the short bursts of recovery and
• 26:54
  your average beats per per minute are in the red zone in
• 26:59
  the zone file. And that is kind of combination
• 27:03
  of mental and physical endurance.
• 27:05
  We are really needing to be fully present and the line
• 27:10
  because the core of my work with people besides sport and that
• 27:16
  what I'm trying to translate that that's how we we, we, we
• 27:20
  started with mental jiu jitsu is about let's go behind all the,
• 27:26
  as I like to call it, cognitive noise.
• 27:29
  Like our thoughts are everything going on in this moment because
• 27:33
  we are living in modern society. We are having a lot of
• 27:35
  informations and it is all messy and all that emotions and
• 27:41
  everything. We are not even being able to
• 27:45
  really feel and to really go through throughout our life.
• 27:50
  And like that, cardio is cleaning.
• 27:54
  You need to let go of the garbage from the internal in
• 27:58
  order to be fully present and in order to be there and run,
• 28:03
  really run for those 40 seconds so you are able to really,
• 28:09
  really be present and rest in those 20 seconds.
• 28:13
  And that's the main logic we are practising, qualities we are
• 28:20
  willing to possess. That's the ultimate way as I see
• 28:27
  it at this moment, because we clear what's in our way.
• 28:31
  We make the ground healthy. And in that ground we we, we, we
• 28:38
  post the seeds and those seeds are able to flourish only if
• 28:44
  ground. This is healthy.
• 28:46
  You know mental jiu jitsu what's makes it different from therapy?
• 28:52
  Like what what would you classify mental jiu jitsu as?
• 28:57
  You know, you or mental jiu jitsu coach, but also I would
• 29:02
  say you are a philosopher like myself because you know, judging
• 29:06
  from our very first conversation, your, your, your
• 29:10
  thoughts were very structured, right?
• 29:12
  And you actually believe in hardcore principles like myself.
• 29:18
  And that was what really drew me into speaking with you.
• 29:21
  You know, life is principle based and if you are a person
• 29:25
  that has coherent logical principles, I like to understand
• 29:31
  the the basis behind those principles and that that's why
• 29:35
  I'm speaking with you today. So just tell me, how would you
• 29:39
  classify mental jiu jitsu? It's amazing that you're already
• 29:44
  given an answer for your question through that question.
• 29:50
  So you mentioned the therapy at the beginning and you mentioned
• 29:56
  the principles and for me, I am like dividing all the stuff
• 30:05
  happening to us and within us to like some kind of a content.
• 30:11
  It's like to audience, you know, for audience to be easier to
• 30:19
  understand. It's like we are born somewhere,
• 30:22
  we are doing something, we're hanging on with someone or
• 30:26
  whatever, anything which is happening to us and it's just
• 30:30
  like a content. And on the other side, we are
• 30:33
  having something more deeper. And those are connections,
• 30:37
  relations between stuff that are making some systems structures
• 30:42
  and between behind those systems and structures.
• 30:46
  They're even deeper layers and even deeper, deeper, like, for
• 30:51
  example, duality of our own universe.
• 30:56
  When we are having opposites and everything plus and minus, light
• 31:01
  and darkness, sadness and joy, ambition and laziness and and we
• 31:11
  we are creatures that are tending to be unified within.
• 31:19
  When we are unified with all parts of our self, we can
• 31:24
  express ourselves in this, the real present moment in the best
• 31:28
  possible way. When all parts of myself with
• 31:31
  when every part of me being named Luca is working aligned
• 31:39
  with another. My identities.
• 31:41
  Me as a father, me as a trainer, me as a husband, me as a
• 31:45
  businessman, me, me as a friend. When every of my identity is
• 31:53
  working aligned together, can be able to be turned on and off on
• 32:00
  a switch and behind all that they are just deeper layers and
• 32:06
  deeper structures That that's why, for example, what what I
• 32:13
  needed to coaching or therapy. Therapy is mostly firstly, I
• 32:20
  have enormous respect for every anyone who is helping people
• 32:25
  develop and grow. And when I say develop and grow,
• 32:29
  I don't even believe in personal development that way.
• 32:34
  I'm like believer of knowing self rather than developing
• 32:40
  self. Because self-awareness.
• 32:41
  Always. Yeah, yes, we are.
• 32:44
  Always, always. And we have already Ever.
• 32:49
  Forever have been enough and that's the most important
• 32:53
  realisation. We are just we just are.
• 32:57
  And when we are we can just clear a path for in order for us
• 33:06
  to express and for example, therapy is amazing.
• 33:13
  I'm a fan of it, but something sometimes it gets stuck because
• 33:17
  it is correlated to a mind of a therapist and we are trying to
• 33:21
  cognitively understand what the what just happened to a person.
• 33:25
  That's that content part. And I'm not interested in the
• 33:29
  what just happened to a person. I'm interested in structures and
• 33:34
  layers which may person feel suboptimal or feel that guilt,
• 33:41
  feel that feeling. I'm not enough.
• 33:43
  So I'm trying to prove for the next 30 years to my father that
• 33:48
  I deserve that love. And those are the real stuff.
• 33:53
  Because in 90% of our first conversations and sessions we
• 33:59
  come to some experience, which is 25 or 3540.
• 34:03
  It depends of our age of a client or where we are
• 34:07
  processing something so vivid. Some we are penetrating some
• 34:14
  memories so vivid, so alive, which is having so much energy
• 34:21
  there, so much emotion there with which that child who was
• 34:27
  living that experience was not able to resolve at that moment,
• 34:33
  at that the moment that was happening to them.
• 34:36
  And that's the main thing we are processing what what that's the
• 34:42
  baggage I'm talking about. And on another side, sometimes
• 34:45
  you can feel a split between me as ambition, ambitious person
• 34:52
  wants to grind and execute as as you're having here.
• 34:56
  And on the other side, I want to be loving and gentle and do to,
• 35:00
  to, to, to, to give best to my to, to, to my wife, to my son,
• 35:07
  to, to everyone and to be as gentle and, and possible.
• 35:11
  And those integrations, when I managed to to make them, those
• 35:15
  are the best possible tools I can give to myself because I'm
• 35:20
  not going to sabotage myself. I'm going to work in alignment.
• 35:24
  When everything is goes through the philtres, I'm going with
• 35:27
  100% with everything. And that's the way we can share
• 35:32
  many different playgrounds and segments of our life.
• 35:38
  And we are just following those principles with ourselves deeply
• 35:44
  within. We are knowing how we are
• 35:47
  dealing with self. And when we are knowing how
• 35:49
  we're dealing with self, we know how to deal with others and with
• 35:52
  our job, with tasks, with emotions, with thoughts, with
• 35:57
  anything, because we are setting a standard for ourselves.
• 35:59
  And that's the main, main thing about mental jiu jitsu, the
• 36:04
  depths on which it operates. We are aiming for the deepest
• 36:10
  roots and deepest scores. And when we align that, then any
• 36:16
  layer on top of that is going to become even better for us.
• 36:22
  That's that's the main topic. You know the legendary ancient
• 36:28
  Greek philosopher Socrates? He did say man know thyself and
• 36:37
  I think that is a very fundamental principle and
• 36:41
  philosophy behind the concept of mental jiu jitsu.
• 36:46
  From what you've been able to explain, my understanding is
• 36:51
  that mental jiu jitsu is a body of knowledge that is premised or
• 37:00
  porn. Self identity and
• 37:03
  self-awareness. I stand to be corrected.
• 37:08
  I like to call it a journey within, the only journey that
• 37:15
  exists because we are the only place for ourself we're going to
• 37:21
  spend our life in. You understand that the depth
• 37:26
  because we are only here and for me there is a God and that's
• 37:39
  that's everything. And I give the faith to God and
• 37:45
  for me there is only a way to be best I can be in this real
• 37:53
  moment on moment that exists and that's it.
• 37:57
  And when we are discovering ourself, that's the most
• 38:01
  important work to be done if you ask me, Because when death is on
• 38:07
  its way, everything around us starts to align and makes
• 38:13
  perfect sense because we are on our path.
• 38:16
  And it is definitely scary because we are alone on that
• 38:22
  path. But we are starting to build
• 38:26
  confidence when we go through our through our stomach, not
• 38:31
  only through our mind, because our mind going to judge, going
• 38:35
  to make many obstacles to, to, to raise many questions.
• 38:40
  And that's the idea of our mind. It is created to protect us.
• 38:45
  And it is amazing too. But you know what they say,
• 38:48
  that's amazing slave but worst possible master.
• 38:55
  And that's the idea. That's the idea about thoughts.
• 38:59
  Emotions are amazing, but try to to difference between my
• 39:05
  emotion. I feel anger, I'm angry, I'm not
• 39:11
  angry. I can feel anger, I can feel
• 39:14
  sadness. That is something like a wave
• 39:17
  going through us. We are.
• 39:19
  We are able to sense that, but we are not becoming defined by
• 39:25
  that. And many problems could be
• 39:28
  resolved just by knowing self. A lot of depressions, a lot of a
• 39:34
  lot of stuff which are just maybe a lack of knowledge about
• 39:40
  self and that's. It, you know, you talk about
• 39:42
  these as a structured identity work, you know, but what does
• 39:46
  that mean in practical everyday terms for someone listening to
• 39:51
  us or watching us right now? Like how do they apply it in
• 39:54
  their everyday life? OK best example you are having
• 40:00
  some. Senior executive with a lot of
• 40:04
  business experience and willingness to make a leap of
• 40:11
  faith and to go into entrepreneurship.
• 40:15
  His previous identity is useless at that moment you understand
• 40:20
  that he will need totally different set of beliefs,
• 40:25
  totally different view of himself, totally different way
• 40:29
  he talks, he breathes, he resolves, anything in the
• 40:34
  internal. He going to enjoy life and be
• 40:40
  present with a totally different behaviour, energy, totally
• 40:47
  different skill set and totally different identity.
• 40:52
  In the end he going to become a different person and with that
• 40:57
  people, people are becoming extremely stuck because the
• 41:01
  previous identity is leading with self a lot of memory and
• 41:04
  not a lot of emotions. And people are feeling like they
• 41:07
  are dying when they're going through some life
• 41:10
  transformations that they are having the problem to let go
• 41:14
  because they think their life going to be for real over.
• 41:18
  And you know what they say like a man is is dying many times in
• 41:25
  his life in order to live once like or.
• 41:29
  Or Howard died many times before their death.
• 41:33
  I've heard that one before. It's idea to really let go
• 41:40
  everything and go to that positive empathy.
• 41:44
  Yes, it's a scary proposition, you know, But sometimes for
• 41:47
  those of us who have had the privilege to do it, you know,
• 41:50
  multiple times, you know, maximal force doing different
• 41:55
  things, I think the first time is scary, but the next time is
• 41:59
  less scary. Less scary.
• 42:04
  You know what they say? Like fear is very wide, but it's
• 42:12
  not deep. When you step into it, it goes
• 42:16
  away and that's the main trick. Fear is like a just like any
• 42:22
  emotional safety does a trick, which is connecting this current
• 42:28
  situation with something familiar and we are doing
• 42:33
  something for the first time. Definitely we can be afraid
• 42:37
  because that uncertainty is a problem, but when we try to
• 42:41
  connect that to something built from before, sometimes we are
• 42:45
  not able. I have never been before like
• 42:48
  European champion in in Nog Jiu Jitsu.
• 42:52
  I have never been on on on world stage.
• 42:55
  But that does not mean that I won't prepare myself in a way to
• 43:03
  feel, act, strain the same like I have done that multiple times.
• 43:08
  And that's the most important thing for me to be done.
• 43:12
  And for example, you're having entrepreneur, which is now like
• 43:18
  life cycle of a company. You need to delegate, you need
• 43:22
  to start building a system. Those are just changes into
• 43:26
  internal emotional and and mental state and structure of a
• 43:31
  founder to be able to delegate to, to give his trust to system
• 43:37
  to something, not to someone, to something which is higher than
• 43:41
  himself, to replicate his brain, to make some structure which
• 43:46
  will behave instead of him or her.
• 43:50
  And for those changes, they are. They could be scary.
• 43:55
  They could be, they could be terrible.
• 44:00
  They are so demanding, they are tiring, they are they could be
• 44:07
  everything bad and literally I'm just helping people to go
• 44:12
  through those. You know, it's quite
• 44:15
  interesting. You're talking about the, the
• 44:17
  life cycle of business, you know, and of course the
• 44:20
  founder's journey. I did interview a guy called
• 44:23
  Scott Ritzheimer. He's skilled architect and of
• 44:27
  course he's the author of the book The Founders Evolution.
• 44:30
  I think that is a book you should read.
• 44:33
  I will send you that is Scott Ruizamo's book.
• 44:36
  I will send a copy of his book to you.
• 44:40
  Scott Ruizamo is a really fantastic guy.
• 44:42
  And of course, you know, he talks about the the various
• 44:44
  stages in a founders journey. So he talks about the stage one
• 44:49
  that is the dissatisfied employee, stage 2, the startup
• 44:52
  entrepreneur, stage 3 the reluctance manager, stage 4, the
• 44:56
  dissolution leader, stage 5, the chief executive, stage 6, the
• 45:00
  true owner, and of course stage 7, the visionary founder.
• 45:04
  I think you were just, you know, addressing the, the movement
• 45:08
  between stage 2 and stage 3. That is the reluctant manager.
• 45:12
  You know, it's, it's, it's quite interesting that you're touching
• 45:15
  on, on these things, you know. But it could be any of those, it
• 45:22
  could be any of those stages because we don't know which
• 45:25
  stage could be most challenging to someone.
• 45:28
  It is. But are the structure of persons
• 45:33
  the same? It's like a lot of talking about
• 45:37
  being like ego driven, ego driven and purpose driven, ego
• 45:42
  driven, driven by something. I need to prove I'm driven from
• 45:48
  something, from something hurt within me and I'm coming from a
• 45:53
  leg. That's why I don't like personal
• 45:56
  development. You're already developed, you
• 46:00
  already are everything. We are just uncovering your,
• 46:03
  your, your resources and, and giving them a work to do.
• 46:09
  And on another side, you're having like there is some idea,
• 46:14
  there is some purpose, there is something which is important,
• 46:19
  which is beautiful, which is inspiring, which is which I
• 46:23
  would like to do while I'm talking this, I'm having like
• 46:26
  here energy flowing. And when we're coming from that
• 46:30
  place, in that place, everything is already set and done and all
• 46:35
  the efforts we're going to do, it's going to be from ease.
• 46:38
  You know, it's amazing story about Arnold Schwarzenegger
• 46:42
  preparing for for Mr Olympia. And she's like, I'm shaving like
• 46:46
  next 22120 kilos. Bench press or squash, it says.
• 46:52
  And I'm so delighted to have those, those reps because they
• 46:57
  are going to make me biggest and greatest Mr Olympia of all time.
• 47:02
  And my and my competitors are like drained.
• 47:08
  And we are doing the same job and we are doing the same
• 47:11
  workout, the same, the same stuff, but they are drained and
• 47:15
  I'm delighted. And that's that's he's coming
• 47:20
  from the space of resourcefulness he has already
• 47:25
  is that state and the difference between I'm manifesting
• 47:30
  something which is amazing. We are able to manifest when
• 47:35
  there is no baggage in our internal system which will
• 47:41
  sabotage us, which was, which will split us and which which
• 47:45
  will make us be extremely frustrated, not to say go insane
• 47:49
  with ourselves. And that's the key, the key
• 47:52
  point. You know.
• 47:54
  We are. We are preparing for just be and
• 47:59
  not. I'm thinking I'm, I am, I'm
• 48:03
  being, I am, I'm enough, I'm good, I'm not good.
• 48:08
  I'm everything and anything. And that is the starting point.
• 48:12
  I, I, my purpose is to anyone to whom I'm able to, to, to, to, to
• 48:24
  stay in touch with, to, to reach to or, or or whatever to unlock
• 48:31
  that cage of thoughts, emotions and all those stuff within in
• 48:40
  order for people to really live here and now and then it all
• 48:46
  starts when you are here, when you're connected with with
• 48:50
  yourself. There is a million roads and,
• 48:53
  and there is one for you. You're going to steal every
• 48:59
  turn, you're going to know every next step and everything.
• 49:03
  You are safe. You are not safe.
• 49:05
  You're great with yourself because you're being yourself.
• 49:08
  And that's the biggest wish I could wish to anyone in the in
• 49:12
  this world and and I could all my lifespan only doing that to
• 49:19
  following my path and doing that to others to, to, to just get
• 49:25
  back to self. And that's it.
• 49:27
  Just just get back to self. Self identity, self-awareness,
• 49:32
  positive affirmations, self belief, you know, are things
• 49:35
  that you've actually touched on. But I, I would like to take you
• 49:38
  up on two things. The aspect of personal
• 49:41
  development, you disagreeing with the concept of personal
• 49:45
  development will touch on that. But I want to talk about, you
• 49:49
  know, positive affirmations and how they align with faith.
• 49:56
  You talked about the fact that you believe in God.
• 49:58
  I also believe in God very much. I am a Christian and I was
• 50:03
  privileged to have studied the Bible at a very young age.
• 50:08
  I did go to Bible school and I had a very, very strong
• 50:15
  background in in the faith. But growing up, you know, one
• 50:19
  Bible verse that really stuck with me and I think it's still
• 50:23
  my favourite till today is Philippians chapter 4 verse 13.
• 50:28
  And it says I can do all things through crisis strengthens me.
• 50:32
  Let's go, go, go, say threatens me.
• 50:35
  John Johnson's that too. I love that.
• 50:37
  I can do all things through crisis strengthens me.
• 50:40
  It, it, it keeps me going, you know, it has always made me
• 50:43
  believe in myself and in possibilities.
• 50:48
  You know, impossible is nothing to me.
• 50:51
  You, you doubt me at your own peril, you know, if you doubt
• 50:54
  me, that serves as fuel to me. You know, if you believe in me,
• 50:58
  he might not maybe encourage me too much, but doubt me and I'll
• 51:03
  let you know that you're doubting the power of God, you
• 51:06
  know, So what? What role does faith play, you
• 51:09
  know, in self identity and self belief?
• 51:18
  I'm going to give you this if I tell you through some kind of a
• 51:23
  metaphor, it would be this. On a fad to self I found self
• 51:32
  but that self is nothing without a God who created me.
• 51:44
  It's like a meal without a salt in it without salt or pepper or
• 51:53
  anything. It's like amazing like a stoic
• 51:57
  life with a lot of virtue and everything but without a faith
• 52:02
  without for me, faith came back into I was extremely sceptical.
• 52:08
  I am my, my mind was playing everything with me.
• 52:11
  But for a long time a lot of events happened to me in an
• 52:18
  extremely unexplainable way and just click.
• 52:26
  I totally surrender. I, I, I could not resist it.
• 52:32
  And when I say this now, confidence in in identity or in
• 52:40
  me is not important. I'm just perceiving sense of
• 52:49
  that faith and that faith in, in create creator in God.
• 52:56
  And that that is giving me everything that that is the root
• 53:03
  of all sources. How can you really believe in
• 53:06
  yourself if you're not believing in someone who created you?
• 53:10
  You understand that? Like it's similar with your
• 53:12
  parents. How can you really flourish into
• 53:17
  your life if you are not in at peace with someone who gave you
• 53:21
  life in a physical domain, in a biological domain?
• 53:26
  How can you, if it leads to that self-sufficiency through your
• 53:33
  becoming in a way self-sufficient but detached
• 53:38
  from the source and the living in God's for me is surrender,
• 53:46
  surrendering to source and that's it.
• 53:50
  I cannot predict the future. Who can predict the future?
• 53:53
  We can try to think of it, try to plan.
• 53:57
  So we are making plans and God is laughing to us.
• 54:02
  And it is it's. Funny what God disposes.
• 54:08
  Yes, and then the, the, the, that's the stuff.
• 54:13
  We are here. This is a gift.
• 54:15
  We are living this one and who know what's?
• 54:18
  Next, you know something crazy. The battle of the mind is very,
• 54:22
  very wild. The battle of the mind is wild.
• 54:25
  There are many people that are successful but still feel
• 54:29
  unfulfilled. Like I think you should see this
• 54:32
  a lot in your work. That's the, that's the stuff.
• 54:37
  How? How do you how do you help this?
• 54:39
  Because, because they are, Because explain to them like you
• 54:46
  started from anger, from sadness, from guilt, from I'm
• 54:51
  not enough, from shame, from whatever it is.
• 54:57
  You are using your model, your structure to getting success and
• 55:03
  you are digging yourself deeper and deeper and deeper to grave
• 55:10
  in which you you will put yourself sooner or later, you're
• 55:16
  going to need to let that emotion go.
• 55:20
  And that's that transformation. You need to let everything go
• 55:26
  and reset your life, your game. That's that's the more success
• 55:31
  you're having. You're you're, you're, that's
• 55:33
  greed. You're wanting more and more you
• 55:37
  have you're less satisfied with it because you're not able to
• 55:40
  enjoy yourself. You're coming from a lack.
• 55:44
  That's the most important concept.
• 55:47
  If you're coming from a lack, if you're coming from a negative,
• 55:51
  you're going to multiply negative.
• 55:53
  If you're coming from a peace, from joy, from faith, from
• 55:57
  calmness, going to create from death and it's more important
• 56:02
  the motif we are creating from then the process itself.
• 56:06
  You, you can have two person, 2 persons doing the same stuff.
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  I had that with fighting. I was fighting to prepare myself
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  for fear of losing my parents because I'm a child of second
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  parent, second marriage of both of them.
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  And I was living in fear of that loss from my from my.
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  I was like 9, yes, nine. I was 9 and so.
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  How did you navigate that on a personal basis?
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  On a personal, I was going into fear and everything which could
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  martial arts was the one of the first tricks I actually done.
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  I went training, started training martial arts.
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  I started doing a lot of challenges for myself.
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  I don't know why one of those challenges was not fasting for
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  seven days. I don't know what decide not to
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  do in order to challenge myself and to face any kind of fear
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  that existed, but it I could go that way and I could create a
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  lot and I could come to any place in that life, but only
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  when my mom died, I really faced that fear and it it exploded
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  like a balloon. It was no more reason for that.
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  I felt it. My worst nightmare was alive at
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  that moment. And then I started creating
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  totally different system to operate and now fear fear of
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  fear of what fear you can, you can sense it biologically you
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  can feel it. OK, I could follow, but that's
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  just any kind of emotion that's not a motivator anymore.
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  In that way, now it's like a a purpose of enjoying this, this
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  gift, a totally different point of view.
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  And when people are becoming stuck with their path and
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  leaving it again now not able to receive your future self.
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  And that's the thing which is making this game empty.
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  Not a new car, not new location, not new business, not new wife.
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  You got that one. The problem is in.
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  Your. Maybe problem is in you, not in
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  you. We don't need that.
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  Oh, you, you got me laughing at that one.
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  You know, it's kind of interesting.
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  Do you know I have an acronym for FEAR?
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  Do you want to hear it? False evidence is appearing
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  real. I I thought that I'm going to
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  share something different, but this one is even better to.
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  Be honest. Evidence is up here and beyond.
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  Evidence is 0. Yeah.
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  So a lot of times we we are scared of the unknown and the
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  unknown really is not, as you know, terrible as we think it
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  would actually be, you know, and often and not fear is due to
• 59:34
  false evidences. Whoa, I know you have to leave
• 59:39
  in about 5 minutes. This is this is amazing and my
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  my. Definitely.
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  So I'm not going to connect inside.
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  I know, I know, I know. You have to leave now.
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  We need to to to finish. Fast push you through the quick
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  fire round. So 5 questions answer very very
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  fast. In 2.
• 1:00:01
  Minutes so #1 what's your one sentence definition of mental
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  jiu jitsu? Mental jiu jitsu way to sell
• 1:00:13
  for. Case so #2 What's your most
• 1:00:18
  unexpected teacher or influence? Hey #3 What's a phrase or mantra
• 1:00:23
  that instantly centres you? In Serbian it's a Christicina
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  Boji formula Managrashta. How do you how do you translate
• 1:00:31
  that to English? Yeah, you can't translate it.
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  Jesus Christ, Son of God, bless me.
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  Oh wow I love that before. What's your emotional tell?
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  That is the cue that says I need to check in with myself.
• 1:00:48
  What is that emotional tell or the hint that tells you I need
• 1:00:53
  to check in with myself? OK to get back to base when I
• 1:01:00
  start challenging stuff, maybe twice.
• 1:01:07
  In a row. I love that that is your
• 1:01:10
  instinct, yeah. Apologise.
• 1:01:13
  Then I starting to apologise. Sorry I'm I'm in my movie at the
• 1:01:17
  moment. Something is being triggered.
• 1:01:18
  I need to know that I feel it. So it's on me.
• 1:01:21
  It's on me. OK, so the very last question
• 1:01:24
  for today. So what's the one believe you
• 1:01:26
  would delete from collective consciousness if you could
• 1:01:30
  possibly do that? I love that.
• 1:01:32
  I love that. So from me to you.
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  Thank you very much for being on the show today.
• 1:01:37
  I always say that an attitude of gratitude is good attitude.
• 1:01:40
  And if somebody says a time with you, they said their life with
• 1:01:42
  you. So love and respect to you my
• 1:01:44
  brother, I appreciate. You.
• 1:01:46
  Very. Very much, of course, I enjoyed
• 1:01:48
  that. Tell the people in Serbia, I am
• 1:01:51
  very grateful to them. I am currently ranked in the top
• 1:01:54
  100 shows on Apple Podcast in Serbia and please help me tell
• 1:01:59
  them let's shoot for #1 #1 number one or nothing.
• 1:02:03
  You're going to grow. More or nothing, my Serbian
• 1:02:07
  people, I appreciate you. Tell me something in Serbia to
• 1:02:10
  tell. How do you say thank you in
• 1:02:11
  Serbia, right? Wow, I appreciate it.
• 1:02:18
  That is. Thank you very much guys.
• 1:02:22
  Thank you, I love you. Guys, I love you guys.
• 1:02:29
  Maybe you give me a new a new Serbian wife.
• 1:02:33
  I did not say that. I did.
• 1:02:35
  I did not say that. Scratch that.
• 1:02:40
  Whoa, do you want? To only one life, only one, only
• 1:02:44
  only one life and 11. Life.
• 1:02:46
  Yeah, I heard that. I heard that.
• 1:02:51
  No, I, I hope that today that they're going to watch it at
• 1:02:54
  this moment. So they're going to hear
• 1:02:56
  everything from us, No addition stories.
• 1:03:01
  They're gonna be more. I hope for more of them to
• 1:03:06
  happen in the future so we can record.
• 1:03:08
  Okay, okay, absolutely. And of course, my guys are
• 1:03:10
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• 1:03:16
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• 1:03:19
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• 1:03:31
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• 1:03:41
  Till you see me next time. It's love and respect, guys.
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  Bye.