Latest / Crime Stories with Nancy Grace / SAVANNAH GUTHRIE MOM MISSING: DAY 28
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie missing.
- 0:10Speaker 1: New video surfaces of cars flying past in Nancy's neighborhood
- 0:17Speaker 1: in the critical hours between twelve am and six am,
- 0:21Speaker 1: significantly one vehicle speeding by just eight minutes after Nancy's
- 0:29Speaker 1: pacemaker disconnects from bluetooth, flying like a bat out of
- 0:35Speaker 1: h E double l fly and online sleuths identify a star,
- 0:42Speaker 1: a small star black or blue in color on the
- 0:47Speaker 1: porch guy's jacket.
- 0:51Speaker 2: Is it real?
- 0:52Speaker 1: And if so, can it be used to track down
- 0:56Speaker 1: the kidnapper? And in another development AI artificial intelligence, was
- 1:01Speaker 1: it used to write two of the ransom notes? And
- 1:04Speaker 1: if so, there's a way to track it? I mean,
- 1:08Speaker 1: sy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank
- 1:11Speaker 1: you for being with us. Dave Matt what is the
- 1:23Speaker 1: latest in the search?
- 1:24Speaker 3: Savannah Guthrie took to Instagram and posted a clip from
- 1:28Speaker 3: The Today Show in a segment about her mom and writes,
- 1:32Speaker 3: please be the one that brings her home, and she
- 1:35Speaker 3: also added, you know tips can be anonymous and the
- 1:39Speaker 3: reward can be paid in cash. I don't think that's
- 1:42Speaker 3: been said before, but we all know that tips can
- 1:45Speaker 3: be anonymous if you want, but the reward can be
- 1:49Speaker 3: paid in cash. She coupled that with releasing a shortened
- 1:53Speaker 3: version of what Should the Family released the other day,
- 1:56Speaker 3: but Savannah Guthrie reminding everyone that tips are anonymous and
- 2:01Speaker 3: the reward can be paid in cash.
- 2:03Speaker 1: New video surfaces of cars flying past in Nancy's neighborhood.
- 2:11Speaker 1: That video found on a neighbor's cam, the door cam,
- 2:16Speaker 1: the surveillance video at the edge of their yard, also
- 2:20Speaker 1: catching twelve vehicles flying by at the time Nancy Guthrie
- 2:26Speaker 1: is kidnapped.
- 2:27Speaker 2: Dave Matt what are we seeing.
- 2:29Speaker 3: Well, you're actually seeing ring camera footage of a car
- 2:33Speaker 3: about two thirty six in the morning, and Nancy, this
- 2:36Speaker 3: is a home located about two and a half miles
- 2:39Speaker 3: from Nancy Guthrie's home. It's a back road that leads
- 2:44Speaker 3: out of her neighborhood and it doesn't see a lot
- 2:47Speaker 3: of traffic, not on a regular basis. Between midnight and
- 2:51Speaker 3: six am February first, about twelve cars went down that
- 2:56Speaker 3: road in front of this camera.
- 2:58Speaker 2: But right there.
- 3:00Speaker 3: Eight am a car goes flying by that camera. Nancy,
- 3:05Speaker 3: that would be enough time from the time or two
- 3:09Speaker 3: thirty six am. I apologize. Eight minutes after Nancy Guthrie's
- 3:13Speaker 3: pacemaker connected via bluetooth to her Apple Watch, that car
- 3:18Speaker 3: goes flying by that ring doorbell camera and you can
- 3:22Speaker 3: see it. It's heading away. So that's what we're looking at,
- 3:26Speaker 3: and that is really important that it's just outside of
- 3:30Speaker 3: that two mile radius that law enforcement put up as
- 3:34Speaker 3: the search area. This is two and a half miles
- 3:37Speaker 3: but there it goes right there, away from the.
- 3:39Speaker 1: Neighborhood, straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons, joining US Director Operations
- 3:43Speaker 1: USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a team of investigators, seasoned
- 3:49Speaker 1: investigators that find missing people.
- 3:52Speaker 4: All around the world.
- 3:54Speaker 1: Former marine Iraqi war vet one expertise extracting people from Mexico. Brian,
- 4:03Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What do you make
- 4:05Speaker 1: of the video?
- 4:06Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a really good development here in this case.
- 4:11Speaker 5: And what you see is as this search is expanding
- 4:15Speaker 5: beyond the crime scene, this is two and a half
- 4:18Speaker 5: miles away from missus Guthrie's house. This is just a
- 4:22Speaker 5: sampling of the leads that the FBI and PMA County
- 4:26Speaker 5: have developed, and I want to mention that they are
- 4:29Speaker 5: currently analyzing over ten thousand hours of surveillance video. So
- 4:36Speaker 5: this is one small tip of the iceberg here that
- 4:39Speaker 5: we're seeing. But they're going to start tracking down this
- 4:42Speaker 5: vehicle as it was in the area at the right time.
- 4:47Speaker 5: This is certainly a great lead for investigators.
- 4:50Speaker 1: Todd Shipley joining US digital cybercrime expert former Detective Sergeant
- 4:54Speaker 1: Reno PD, twenty five years in law enforcement, author of
- 4:59Speaker 1: Survive Being a Cyber Attack, also author investigating Internet crimes.
- 5:05Speaker 1: You can find him at dark intel dot info. Todd Schiffley,
- 5:10Speaker 1: thank you.
- 5:10Speaker 2: For being with us.
- 5:11Speaker 1: How will the fans go about enhancing this video?
- 5:15Speaker 6: Well, they're going to take the screenshots out of it
- 5:17Speaker 6: and try to figure out what they can find from
- 5:20Speaker 6: that one particular shot and identify if there's anything that's
- 5:24Speaker 6: usable in that shot. It's a pretty quick shot that's moving,
- 5:27Speaker 6: so it's not something that's going to be an easy
- 5:29Speaker 6: thing to do, but they're going to take that video
- 5:32Speaker 6: in the stills and try to enhance whatever they can
- 5:35Speaker 6: to find anything descriptions, bumper stickers, the license plate obviously,
- 5:41Speaker 6: if they can figure any of that out. The year
- 5:43Speaker 6: making model obviously is important because then they can start
- 5:46Speaker 6: tracking down who owns those in the state and try
- 5:50Speaker 6: to figure out, you know what potential list of suspects
- 5:53Speaker 6: they might have who own that kind of car, and
- 5:56Speaker 6: then start contacting each one.
- 5:57Speaker 2: Straight back to Brian Fitzgibbons. Brian Mani.
- 6:01Speaker 1: Online sleuths have identified the vehicle as being a Kia Soul.
- 6:07Speaker 1: Let's see the mock up of the Kia Soul now, Brian,
- 6:10Speaker 1: As you and I have discussed on many many occasions,
- 6:14Speaker 1: car manufacturers change, either ostensibly or subtly, the design of
- 6:20Speaker 1: a car nearly every year, and that appeals to those
- 6:26Speaker 1: individuals that like to buy a new car every year
- 6:28Speaker 1: and always drive a new car. That said, it can
- 6:32Speaker 1: be subtle or very obvious. It can be a tilt
- 6:36Speaker 1: up in the front lights. It can be a change
- 6:39Speaker 1: in the number of tail lights. It can be any
- 6:41Speaker 1: number of things, a subtle slope in the front windshield.
- 6:47Speaker 1: But the point is, isn't it true?
- 6:50Speaker 2: Fitz Gibbons.
- 6:52Speaker 1: Major metropolitan areas New York, Chicago, La Atlanta. They've got,
- 6:57Speaker 1: of course, homicide, they've got robbery, they've got crimes on children,
- 7:01Speaker 1: They've got six crimes, they've got white collar crimes. They
- 7:04Speaker 1: have an entire fleet of people investigators, they deal with
- 7:09Speaker 1: nothing but car theft and recovery, often busting wide open
- 7:16Speaker 1: car theft rings that make millions and millions of dollars
- 7:19Speaker 1: a year. Those guys and ladies can look at a
- 7:23Speaker 1: car at a distance and tell you, oh, yeah, that's
- 7:26Speaker 1: a Kia Soul, that's a twenty twenty four.
- 7:28Speaker 4: And this is how I know it. How do they
- 7:31Speaker 4: do it?
- 7:31Speaker 5: Mis Gibbons, Oh absolutely, and that's from thousands of hours
- 7:36Speaker 5: of surveillance on the job that they're finally tuned to
- 7:41Speaker 5: identified make model a year. And what I will say is,
- 7:46Speaker 5: you know, while this video is not necessarily the highest
- 7:51Speaker 5: resolution that you would want, a lot of those key
- 7:54Speaker 5: identifiers are there, the shape of the windows, the locations
- 7:57Speaker 5: of the tail lights. They can get a relative height
- 8:00Speaker 5: and size of the tires, size of the vehicle in general.
- 8:03Speaker 5: So a lot can be deduced from this, and I
- 8:06Speaker 5: think that their assumptions would be pretty accurate.
- 8:09Speaker 2: Here, guys, let's take another look at the video. How
- 8:15Speaker 2: do they do it? How do they enhance it?
- 8:19Speaker 1: It's amazing to me, but it's been done over and
- 8:23Speaker 1: over and over. You think you can't see a tag,
- 8:27Speaker 1: they may find a way to find that tag. Although
- 8:30Speaker 1: typically in an operation like this Shipley, I doubt the
- 8:34Speaker 1: person has their true tag, if any tag on the
- 8:38Speaker 1: back of the car or the front Shipley in mind.
- 8:41Speaker 6: That any part of that identification can be important, the color,
- 8:47Speaker 6: the making model. Like we said, they're going to be
- 8:50Speaker 6: able to go to the D and B locally and
- 8:53Speaker 6: identify who has that. If it's a thousand cars, if
- 8:57Speaker 6: there's one distinctive feature that can limit the that they've
- 9:00Speaker 6: got to research, then they'll knock that down and that
- 9:03Speaker 6: can go after those people. But even if it's a
- 9:05Speaker 6: thousand cars, they've got to try to figure out where
- 9:07Speaker 6: those people are in this case because of what's happened,
- 9:10Speaker 6: and identify who was there and whether they potentially were
- 9:14Speaker 6: in that city or not.
- 9:16Speaker 1: And don't think you've gotten away with anything if this
- 9:18Speaker 1: is you in this vehicle, because Brian Fus Gibbons, you
- 9:22Speaker 1: and I have covered together and investigated many others separately.
- 9:26Speaker 4: Of cases that were cracked by the vehicle.
- 9:30Speaker 2: And here are just a few.
- 9:31Speaker 1: Okay, of course, the poster boy for so many evil
- 9:34Speaker 1: and nefarious things, Brian Coburger.
- 9:36Speaker 4: That whole case started.
- 9:38Speaker 1: The identification of Coburger started with a it's not a
- 9:44Speaker 1: circle k not a quick trip. I went to the
- 9:47Speaker 1: gas station. A clerk at the gas station takes it
- 9:52Speaker 1: upon herself to come through hours and hours of video,
- 9:56Speaker 1: she spots a white Alantra flying by. Had been to
- 10:00Speaker 1: the King Road address where the murders occurred. To get there,
- 10:03Speaker 1: you come to an intersection and over on the left
- 10:07Speaker 1: is this gas station.
- 10:09Speaker 2: You go up the hill.
- 10:10Speaker 1: And go down a very circuitous route to get to
- 10:12Speaker 1: the eleven twenty two King Road address. God said, that's
- 10:15Speaker 1: the only way to get in there. She finds a
- 10:18Speaker 1: white Alauntra speeding by around four o'clock in the morning,
- 10:22Speaker 1: and she alerts police. They in turn alert all police
- 10:27Speaker 1: forces around them, including campus police, including Washington State University
- 10:31Speaker 1: in Pullman. The Washington State University Police. Campus police go
- 10:37Speaker 1: through all the records and they go, oh, white Elantra.
- 10:39Speaker 1: Who has a white Alaunchra that's registered, you know with
- 10:42Speaker 1: a car sticker?
- 10:43Speaker 2: Here, Oh, Brian Coburger's one.
- 10:45Speaker 1: They go to his place, they see the car, they
- 10:47Speaker 1: take a picture, and that's how the name first comes up,
- 10:50Speaker 1: Brian Coburger. Then there's a Molly Tibbets case. In the
- 10:54Speaker 1: Molly Tibbitts case, she is a gorgeous young coed studying late.
- 11:00Speaker 2: He goes out for a jog. She's murdered.
- 11:03Speaker 1: You know how they find the purp through distinctive markings
- 11:06Speaker 1: on his vehicle taken from a door cam as he
- 11:12Speaker 1: drives by. He kept driving by her, back and forth,
- 11:15Speaker 1: trying to engage her in conversation. When she says, I'm
- 11:18Speaker 1: calling nine one one, buddy, he kills her.
- 11:21Speaker 2: And in the.
- 11:22Speaker 1: Recent history, bryf It's Gibbons, the Teppie murders. You and
- 11:26Speaker 1: I have come through that case with a fine tooth comb.
- 11:29Speaker 1: Remember beautiful Monique and her husband dead in their beds.
- 11:35Speaker 1: Brayf It's Gibbons, the purp who has been arrested, not
- 11:40Speaker 1: convicted yet. Doctor Michael McKee on his first of all
- 11:46Speaker 1: surveillance video catches him in the area tag plates he
- 11:51Speaker 1: had stolen tags switched him out. But guess what was
- 11:54Speaker 1: on his car. You're going to love this Where he
- 11:56Speaker 1: worked at the hospital. The sticker was still in the
- 11:59Speaker 1: car when they get to the car. Finally, he scratched it.
- 12:03Speaker 4: Off, ding ding ding, red bell of alarm.
- 12:07Speaker 1: Why scratch off your parking sticker? So you heard what
- 12:10Speaker 1: Shipley just said. It may not be the tag. It
- 12:13Speaker 1: may be a sticker, It may be an identifiable scratch
- 12:16Speaker 1: along the side.
- 12:17Speaker 2: Of the vehicle. It could be anything that s Gibbons
- 12:19Speaker 2: helped me out.
- 12:20Speaker 5: Here absolutely time and again, the vehicle is the lynchpin
- 12:26Speaker 5: to cracking a case wide open. You just listed off
- 12:30Speaker 5: a litany of those such cases, and I think what
- 12:33Speaker 5: we're seeing here with all of this video, this new
- 12:37Speaker 5: video that's been collected as of yesterday and now there
- 12:41Speaker 5: will be thousands of hours of more video in with
- 12:45Speaker 5: this new reward up to over one million dollars, this
- 12:51Speaker 5: vehicle could crack the case.
- 12:52Speaker 4: So crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
- 13:06Speaker 2: Todd Shipley.
- 13:08Speaker 1: If a civilian can identify this as being a kisol,
- 13:14Speaker 1: what can the FEDS do a lot more? We have
- 13:18Speaker 1: seen them enhanced video like nobody's business. I mean, it's
- 13:22Speaker 1: possible and everybody tonight. There are reports this is connected
- 13:27Speaker 1: to Guthrie. There are reports it's not connected to Guthrie,
- 13:31Speaker 1: all citing FBI sources. We don't know the answer, but
- 13:36Speaker 1: todd Shipley in reality not guessing.
- 13:40Speaker 2: Whether this is going to be connected or not.
- 13:42Speaker 1: I don't quite understand the process of how they can
- 13:46Speaker 1: lighten the picture how they can zoom in, how do
- 13:49Speaker 1: they do it? And have you ever been part of
- 13:52Speaker 1: catching a purp through the car?
- 13:56Speaker 6: Well, you know the fact that the FBI has got
- 14:00Speaker 6: digital forensic experts and video experts that can do this,
- 14:03Speaker 6: it is something that you know is well known. They've
- 14:07Speaker 6: been parsing through this. I don't know that they've got
- 14:10Speaker 6: the speed to be able to do the things that
- 14:12Speaker 6: people do online when they do a community driven review
- 14:16Speaker 6: of these things, I want to say, release the video.
- 14:19Speaker 6: People are looking at this trying to identify things and
- 14:22Speaker 6: matching things at a speed that we've never seen before
- 14:24Speaker 6: in law enforcement because this whole community driven, you know,
- 14:28Speaker 6: approach to identifying information in these videos and photos is
- 14:34Speaker 6: changed how law enforcement has to look at this. And
- 14:37Speaker 6: sometimes they're on their heels trying to catch up with
- 14:40Speaker 6: what the community is doing viause the communities identifying stuff
- 14:43Speaker 6: sometimes correctly, sometimes incorrectly, and then they've got to spend
- 14:47Speaker 6: time trying to figure out whether what the public is
- 14:50Speaker 6: saying is pricked or not. That can take away from
- 14:53Speaker 6: what they're doing. So sometimes it's hard to do that,
- 14:55Speaker 6: but they've got the skills to be able to get
- 14:57Speaker 6: the information and identify what's there and.
- 15:00Speaker 1: Tonight to Dave Matt Crime Story's investigative reporter. According to
- 15:06Speaker 1: Sleuth's a star is visible on the porch guy the
- 15:11Speaker 1: perpetrator's jacket near his there you go, thank you, near
- 15:17Speaker 1: the backpack strap.
- 15:19Speaker 2: What do we know, Dave mac.
- 15:21Speaker 3: Well, we know exactly that you're looking at the photo there, Nancy,
- 15:25Speaker 3: and it looks like there could be a star on
- 15:30Speaker 3: that backpack strap. But when there are other photos that
- 15:36Speaker 3: don't show anything, So what we're looking at I think
- 15:39Speaker 3: is a shadow from what he's holding up in front
- 15:41Speaker 3: of the camera. If it's not a shadow, if it
- 15:44Speaker 3: really is a black or blue star on that strap,
- 15:48Speaker 3: well that adds to our ability to identify this particular person.
- 15:53Speaker 3: Because we know that we know the brand of this backpack,
- 15:58Speaker 3: we can search the brand and see if any of
- 16:01Speaker 3: these backpacks come with a star.
- 16:03Speaker 1: I would have nothing to do with the star. The
- 16:05Speaker 1: star is on the jacket, Isn't that right, Dave.
- 16:09Speaker 3: I'm looking at it and it's either on the strap
- 16:12Speaker 3: round the jacket, Nancy. It appears to me.
- 16:16Speaker 2: It looks to me like it's on the jacket.
- 16:18Speaker 1: What about it, Brian fitz Gibbons, And how would we
- 16:21Speaker 1: use that star if it's real to punt to find
- 16:25Speaker 1: the purpose.
- 16:27Speaker 5: Yeah, this looks like it's on the jacket, and you know,
- 16:29Speaker 5: I'll say two things first that this is either a
- 16:33Speaker 5: brand of jackets, so it will help us identify exactly,
- 16:37Speaker 5: you know, what item that is. You know, the FBI
- 16:40Speaker 5: can do their thing to track down where the purchase
- 16:42Speaker 5: might have taken place. Better yet, it could be a
- 16:46Speaker 5: custom embroidered piece for a business or a school or
- 16:50Speaker 5: something like that. And if it is a custom made piece,
- 16:54Speaker 5: that's going to really narrow things down for us, because
- 16:58Speaker 5: these items aren't one of one, right, There'll be fifty
- 17:01Speaker 5: mad or one hundred and twenty made, and you know,
- 17:05Speaker 5: people will be able to quickly identify that.
- 17:08Speaker 1: This post that we are showing you is from trill
- 17:11Speaker 1: Tril on X. Video from Nancy Guthrie's home obviously shows
- 17:16Speaker 1: a mass suspect, the eighty four year old taken out
- 17:19Speaker 1: of her home, but now a distinguishing mark on the jacket.
- 17:24Speaker 2: Is it real? Is it a shadow? Take a look.
- 17:29Speaker 1: The FBI working on the case released this video footage
- 17:32Speaker 1: the night Nancy Guthrie was taken. And now, what do
- 17:36Speaker 1: we know about a black star? On the jacket, an
- 17:41Speaker 1: individual spots it and immediately it hits the internet like
- 17:46Speaker 1: wild fire. I'm trying to figure out how the FEDS
- 17:51Speaker 1: are going to go about isolating this, determining if it's real,
- 17:56Speaker 1: and then finding it in their vast FBI a texture
- 18:02Speaker 1: and clothing database that they keep, and in that they
- 18:07Speaker 1: input everything from prior cases, whether it turned out to
- 18:11Speaker 1: be real or not connected to the case or not. Example,
- 18:15Speaker 1: in the Wayne Williams serial killings of young men throughout Atlanta.
- 18:19Speaker 4: The case was cracked by first time ever out.
- 18:23Speaker 1: Of my old district attorney's office the use of fiber
- 18:25Speaker 1: comparisons on the bodies of many of the young boys
- 18:30Speaker 1: and teen victims. There were odd fibers that were later
- 18:34Speaker 1: traced back to the carpet in Wayne Williams's parents' home
- 18:39Speaker 1: and the carpet.
- 18:40Speaker 2: In his vehicle where he would put the bodies.
- 18:44Speaker 1: After killing them, just before disposing of them in the
- 18:47Speaker 1: Chattahoochee River.
- 18:49Speaker 2: So the FBI has a huge.
- 18:52Speaker 1: Database of all sorts of materials, clothing, textures, you name it,
- 18:57Speaker 1: and I guarantee you if this is real, they're pouring
- 19:00Speaker 1: through it right now. Straight back out to Dave Matt,
- 19:04Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the guy that drives
- 19:08Speaker 1: by Nancy Guthrie's home in the dark of the night
- 19:11Speaker 1: up to one hundred times, all the time staring at
- 19:14Speaker 1: a photo of her.
- 19:16Speaker 4: In the car. Nancy.
- 19:18Speaker 3: Late yesterday afternoon into the early evening hours, a man
- 19:22Speaker 3: was driving his vehicle on Nancy Guthrie Street, right in
- 19:26Speaker 3: front of her house. And he's driving by really slow
- 19:30Speaker 3: while he's looking at a picture of Nancy Guthrie on
- 19:33Speaker 3: his phone. Now we're not talking three or four times
- 19:37Speaker 3: driving up and down the street. We're talking about the
- 19:39Speaker 3: guy doing it for a long time, fifty to one
- 19:42Speaker 3: hundred times, driving in front of her house. All the
- 19:46Speaker 3: while and I'm going really, really slow. He's creeping along
- 19:50Speaker 3: looking at a picture of Nancy Guthrie on his phone.
- 19:53Speaker 3: So finally police decided it's time to take a look
- 19:56Speaker 3: at this guy, and they pull him over and police
- 19:59Speaker 3: arrest thirty f four year old Antonio DeJesus Peana compos
- 20:04Speaker 3: in front of Nancy Guthrie's home on misdemeanor DUI charges.
- 20:15Speaker 4: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
- 20:21Speaker 1: Joining us now Heather Barnhardt, digital forensics expert with Celebright.
- 20:27Speaker 1: You heard all about that during the Alexi Murdog trunk
- 20:30Speaker 1: in the Alex Murdog trial, the case Wide Open, and
- 20:34Speaker 1: the Sands Institute System Admin Audit, Network and Security. She
- 20:40Speaker 1: worked on the Brian Coburger case. She is a co
- 20:43Speaker 1: author of Practical Mobile Forensics, now in its fourth edition. Wow, Heather,
- 20:50Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, Heather. I want to
- 20:52Speaker 1: talk to you about the so called ransom notes.
- 20:56Speaker 2: Heather.
- 20:57Speaker 1: Is there anything about these rants notes that would suggest
- 21:02Speaker 1: that they were AI generated and what are your thoughts
- 21:05Speaker 1: about tracking that?
- 21:07Speaker 7: One thing I want investigators to think about in this
- 21:11Speaker 7: case are those ransom letters. And I remember reading and
- 21:16Speaker 7: hearing on TMZ that one of them seemed to be
- 21:18Speaker 7: written by a professional. Why was that one different? If
- 21:23Speaker 7: AI was used to help write a ransom note, which
- 21:26Speaker 7: is likely, so think about the Google searches that came
- 21:29Speaker 7: out that so many IP addresses had searched for Nancy Guthrie.
- 21:33Speaker 7: Who would know her name, who would know where she
- 21:35Speaker 7: lived prior to the kidnapping? Can you find keywords in
- 21:40Speaker 7: open AI that's available to the public that can be
- 21:43Speaker 7: searched for anything that was written specifically in those ransom notes?
- 21:48Speaker 7: And if the answer is yes, this could tie back
- 21:51Speaker 7: to a location and to a person in their home
- 21:54Speaker 7: who potentially was behind that keyboard typing those unique words.
- 21:58Speaker 1: Wow, I hadn't thought of that. Whether that's pretty amazing.
- 22:03Speaker 1: What about if a VPN was being used, If.
- 22:09Speaker 7: The person wasn't using some type of VPN and private
- 22:13Speaker 7: browsing and all the things that mask you from where
- 22:17Speaker 7: you're existing when you're typing things, then yes we can
- 22:20Speaker 7: find them. But keep in mind Brian Coberger tried to
- 22:23Speaker 7: do this and we still found him. So there is
- 22:26Speaker 7: always going to be a misstep that digital evidence will
- 22:30Speaker 7: lead back to the person. But if they didn't do
- 22:32Speaker 7: this and you just open a browser and you start
- 22:34Speaker 7: googling things, absolutely that can be used the exact same
- 22:38Speaker 7: way that OpenAI can be used.
- 22:40Speaker 4: And I don't want the.
- 22:41Speaker 7: Public to think, oh, no, I use chat GPT, or
- 22:44Speaker 7: I use claud or I use something else. If you
- 22:47Speaker 7: log in, your data is more protected than if you
- 22:51Speaker 7: just start typing. For the Palisades fire, That's how law
- 22:55Speaker 7: enforcement found people of interest or suspect of interest was
- 22:58Speaker 7: things that they were typing in to AI that just
- 23:01Speaker 7: existed out there in the world.
- 23:04Speaker 1: Heather, I want to circle back to the video that
- 23:07Speaker 1: has just surfaced about the video of the vehicles flying
- 23:11Speaker 1: by at the same time Nancy Guthries kidnapped in her neighborhood.
- 23:16Speaker 2: What do you make of that video?
- 23:18Speaker 7: Forensic experts will be able to slow down those vehicles
- 23:21Speaker 7: to the point of us being able to identify make
- 23:24Speaker 7: and model. They should also be able to detect speeds.
- 23:28Speaker 7: So if you think you're involved in a crime, you're
- 23:30Speaker 7: probably driving pretty quickly. And this is exactly what happened
- 23:34Speaker 7: with Brian Coberger. He tore out of that neighborhood in
- 23:37Speaker 7: that vehicle. That car was the second most important identifier
- 23:42Speaker 7: to the DNA to getting access to Brian Coberger and
- 23:46Speaker 7: leading to an arrest.
- 23:47Speaker 2: So this could be.
- 23:49Speaker 7: What investigators need all along to identify who is involved
- 23:53Speaker 7: in this crime.
- 23:54Speaker 1: So, Heather, what about the fact that to the naked
- 23:58Speaker 1: eye to us looks blurry?
- 24:01Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, and my terrorism investigations, we were able
- 24:05Speaker 7: to identify things that you can enhance this footage. Think
- 24:10Speaker 7: about what AI can do for us in forensics. This
- 24:12Speaker 7: is a perfect example of using AI to clean up
- 24:15Speaker 7: an image, remove the blur, slow it down, and have
- 24:19Speaker 7: vehicle experts say, I know that this is likely. This
- 24:22Speaker 7: make a model probably of this year, and then you
- 24:25Speaker 7: go into the records and see who in that area
- 24:28Speaker 7: owns vehicles that match that description, and it will really
- 24:33Speaker 7: pare down the amount of people that need to be
- 24:36Speaker 7: questioned at this time.
- 24:39Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
- 24:41Speaker 1: disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, please dial toll free eight hundred
- 24:46Speaker 1: two two five five three two four repeat eight hundred
- 24:50Speaker 1: two two five five three two four, or if you
- 24:56Speaker 1: wish to remain anonymous, five two zero eight eight two
- 25:00Speaker 1: seven four sixty three repeat five two zero eight eight
- 25:04Speaker 1: two seven four sixty three. There is a one point
- 25:10Speaker 1: two plus million dollar reward. Thank you to all of
- 25:16Speaker 1: our guests for being with us tonight, but special thanks
- 25:18Speaker 1: to you for joining us in the continued search for
- 25:22Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie. There is time to bring her home.