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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian re
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  podcast. Today's guest is A podcaster
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  YouTuber. Twitch streamer video editor and
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  redditor all the way from South Africa.
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  He goes by the pseudonym the noob 950 otherwise known as
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  Brendan Peterson. Welcome to the show, how are you
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  doing? I'm doing really well.
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  Thanks for having me. It's nice, a pleasure, always a
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  pleasure to have a fellow podcaster on as much.
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  We can talk about with that and that's what we're going to do.
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  Yes, jump straight into that. You are a co-host of the total
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  chaos podcast, Great Name. What's the Just about and why
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  did you decide to start it? I can tell you that our origin
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  story. Basically, I'm me and two of my
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  friends that I made very early on, in my first year of
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  University, we would have these discussions.
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  That would make us crack up a lot.
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  Like it just and I we always made a joke.
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  A, we should record ourselves and post this online because it
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  has high a lot of entertainment value.
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  And one day, I just went and sat down like, Hey how do you start
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  a podcast? What does it cost and stuff?
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  And I've been wanting to buy some upgrades to my computer,
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  including a better microphone because my headset microphone
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  sounds kind of trash. I thought.
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  Okay, let's kill two birds with one stone.
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  I pitched the idea to them and we kind of just settled on that
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  name out of, I can't remember which one of the three of us
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  recommended it, but at the moment one of us said it, we
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  knew yeah, that's the name because it it just fit with our
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  brand and that's that's how we started.
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  And the first few episodes were absolute garbage.
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  Image. Like I'll be the first to admit
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  that but I'm eventually we, you know, fell into a group.
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  We got used to it especially when we stopped recording
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  recording in the same room. Hmm.
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  Well, because I'm with a coronavirus, we like to spread
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  out and I think that helps give a helps help, the vibe a little
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  bit, you know, that we don't because if we said, we were all
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  sitting on the same couch, originally in my apartment, you
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  know, looking at my computer and we couldn't face each other when
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  were talking each other because then we wouldn't be talking to
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  them. When so I think that kind of
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  hinted us a little bit. But, you know, after like
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  episode 10, we really picked up shoot one guy in two days.
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  It's our one year, we hit the one year mark of a podcast.
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  Congratulations. And that's a very interesting
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  point that you make because most people would say the complete
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  opposite and would say that it's actually more restricting to
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  have like a zoom podcast or something like that.
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  That me personally obviously one day I want to have my own studio
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  and the works and what not but I'm very happy operating the
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  podcast in the Way that I am right now.
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  But yeah no, I mean that that totally makes sense I guess for
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  you guys future, considerations is to get like just a Roundtable
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  something so you can physically be in the room together and see
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  each other and face. The microphone that's like the
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  ideal scenario, right? You know, eventually I got I
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  don't know because we have plans to possibly because of thing.
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  We're friends. All starting in the same field
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  so we're most likely going to get the job in the same.
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  Same field, may be even in the same place.
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  We all have plans to move to a cotton different country
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  together, because South Africa's sucks, you know, and just for
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  like ever first year or two because it will be no Strangers
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  In a Strange Land, you have four year to, you know, live
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  together, help cover rent and I mean we'll still maybe do the
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  podcast and depending on how life turns out but I still think
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  we'll just record from each individual rooms.
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  It's, you know, it's I've never really understand that.
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  Some people want that, but I've never really been one for you.
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  Gino intricate set up with like the studio and the lighting and
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  everything. The entire, I mean, look at the
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  name, has the word chaos, anything it's just Chill Vibes
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  and it just you know sitting talking about what I never
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  explained what it was about but just the three of us get
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  together once a week. Sometimes we have a guest over
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  and we just talk about whatever happened the week, whatever
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  stories we have to tell whatever whatever we want to talk about,
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  mostly geared towards common. But we do touch on some serious
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  things here and there. And what would you say?
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  Sort of like the favorite topics to talk about or the favorite
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  things that used to discussed so far, it's going to reflect badly
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  on us. But porn comes on a comes up a
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  lot but that's not, that's not on purpose, but it's not on
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  purpose. It, I swear it's always flows
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  naturally and just somehow gets the, I mean, one of my favorite
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  episode titles and we always try to how we title out episodes.
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  We just take like The different things that we talked about and
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  just grab a little bit from each thing to add one of my favorite
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  titles is the Disney porn conspiracy.
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  Now, it isn't strictly about pornography conspiracy within
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  Disney. It's just, we talked about
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  Disney, we talked about conspiracies, and we talked
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  about pornography, and that's way it came from all three have
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  Wikipedia is gay hentai. I think is one of them, what I
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  got? Oh my God, I can't remember the
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  exact title, but yeah. Just the things that were strong
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  together that, I mean, we never lie in our titles, it's always
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  there will always be some relevant to, what is there.
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  But yeah, that's we usually just to talk about whatever comes up,
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  you know, it specially, if they happen, if something big
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  happened in the week, then we, you know, we'll discuss it.
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  Like, when the Reddit decided to just crash the stock market,
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  that was something. We had some fun with you, got
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  booked me for your show because I just want to sit there.
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  And talk shit with you guys. This sounds like a lot of fun.
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  You're more than welcome to come on, Todd.
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  I'm totally forgotten. I'm already booked on your show,
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  I do apologize. Do what?
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  On the topic of podcast, this is what happens.
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  Like I shit you. Not like I am the one of the
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  most prepared people ever have all my notes here.
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  I've got a fucking like a calendar that I write like a
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  physical calendar that I write in all my guests in place on the
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  phone plus everything else. But like with that Everything
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  that is concerned with the podcast and then YouTube and
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  then everything else that I'm doing it.
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  Just it's too much to keep up with sometimes and I make these
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  mistakes and I feel bad but I'm like I don't try to keep up with
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  it. Like I'll be honest with you if
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  it weren't for well, I set an alarm on my phone so we have
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  remembered but until you message me I was completely unlike
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  ability. Forgot.
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  That was supposed to do a podcast today like when you base
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  it around was like three thirds of the way through.
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  Watching the new episode of 1 Division.
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  And who is the episode 6 dropped?
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  Yeah, it's exciting. It's a good episode and don't
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  tell me anything, do it? That no spoilers not telling
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  anything. It's a good.
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  It's a good episode. Every episode has been, I think
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  they do the way they've done. That series is genius and and
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  the way they built up to it like the first three episodes, just
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  being kind of asset gone and then getting deeper into it with
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  more intricate stuff. Well, I love it, it's like two
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  different things going on at once you The actual story and
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  then you've got this kind of like, I don't know, I guess you
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  can call it like a parody style thing where they're kind of like
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  trying to do different sitcoms from different decades and all
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  that. And I just think that's really
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  cool and for like younger Generations, who might not
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  appreciate like why that's interesting or cool, it's pretty
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  cool and it reintroduce has it like I remember growing up as a
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  kid in the 90s and 2000's, you would actually see reruns of
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  stuff from like the 60s and it seemed like A different world or
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  more. And it was, it is a different
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  world. But it's, it's a pretty cool
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  sort of Time Capsule that you can forever, you know, peer into
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  a different age and understand like, how things were how people
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  were, how Society was? That's pretty cool.
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  I have a younger brother, and he's 13 in like two months and
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  he won it once asked me. Hey, I'm like, he didn't get
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  that black and white was just once how Movies and television
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  watching thought it was always just stylistic, you know, he
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  didn't get that back a few a while back that dress is that
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  was just how it was, you know, you didn't get like, full-color
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  was insane when it first happened.
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  Yeah, it is a pretty mind-blowing thing because like
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  And let it kind of distorts our idea of the past as well.
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  Like for instance I've seen a lot of photos that have been
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  edited recently. What you know why it's that
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  colorization? Where you take a photo from like
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  the 1800s or something? You colorize it and it looks
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  amazing. Looks like it could have been
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  taken yesterday and it kind of messes with our head because
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  when you see a photo like that, it's like, oh, this is from a
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  different time. So many years ago, it's like you
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  can't relate to it almost. It's, there's like a kind of a
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  barrier between this time right now.
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  Now and that time back then but then when they do these things
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  like they edit it with today's technology or colorizer or
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  whatever it kind of put them language like fucks with your
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  head a little bit because it's like hang on.
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  So this this is almost like like it was taken today.
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  Like it was made today but it can't because I know that this
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  is the past how is this possible?
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  And it's like I saw a video on this.
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  Actually there's a guy on YouTube called Vsauce.
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  Who is Anna my lovely sauce, right?
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  Yeah, I Discovered in recently because I remember seeing him in
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  like memes or something. And then I finally watch this
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  content, I was like, oh my God, I love this guy.
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  Totally up my street. I highly recommend you guys go
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  check them out if you haven't heard of him.
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  But, yeah, he talks about these sorts of topics at length.
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  He discussed this topic and I was like, yeah, that's so true.
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  Like, I don't understand that. Like how it messes with your
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  head so much. And now the understanding of
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  time people seem to think of history as very disjointed like
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  something that I like bring up is Martin.
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  King and Anne. Frank were born in the same
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  year, like just just for that. It like people see.
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  And the Great Pyramids of Giza and woolly mammoths coexisted.
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  For a good amount of time Cleopatra is closer to today
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  than she is to the construction of the pyramids.
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  Like, I think it was clear but I'm pretty sure it was
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  Cleopatra. Might be getting my furrows
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  mixed up, but people seem to think of history as such a mixed
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  bag. I mean, yeah, almost everything.
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  I'm now, if you originally religious or Not everything that
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  happened or allegedly happened in the New Testament.
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  In the entirety of the Bible, is no more than six thousand years
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  ago. According a court, if you trace
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  it back like, but more than 6,000 years ago, people seem to
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  think faster is such a disjoint thing.
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  Like, World War Two happened. Then segregation happened.
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  They know, it's all kind of Just Happening together in a mixed
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  bundle, but even just our feelings about time, like, for
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  me. Okay, I'm a 27 year old man.
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  I turned 28 this year in Met right?
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  And so I was born in 1993 and for me you know, I know it's
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  that kind of joke of like you get to a certain age in like oh
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  that feels like it was five minutes ago but for real like
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  the 90s feels like like it wasn't that long ago for me.
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  Like I feel like because we're in 2021 but like the the
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  mid-2000s feels like oh, that was five or ten years ago it was
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  actually like Twenty years ago, you look like early 2000s and
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  stuff, it's just like what? What's it, son?
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  I am now the exact same distance, like I remember the
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  last 10 years of my life. I'm I'm I turned 21 this year, I
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  remember the, I remove the last 10 years of my life and it blows
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  my mind that I'm closer to being 30 than I am to being 10.
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  I don't enjoy that realization all too much I guess.
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  And another thing is kids these days and I hate saying that
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  because it makes me feel old, but they don't.
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  It's just how differently they grew up.
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  When I was young, it was you know, SpongeBob Tom and Jerry
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  and you know, stuff like that. And you went outside to have
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  fun. And, you know, I do in South
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  Africa, is like a few years behind the technological curve.
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  At least it was back then. So, we were just remember, I got
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  the Playstation 2 slim on in 2006 or 2007, that was my first
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  video game console. And that blew my mind, like that
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  was insane. And now kids just have
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  Fortnight. They and they just take these,
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  they have phones. They take it for granted.
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  Granted. I remember my first phone.
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  It was one of those old Nokia phones with the green and black
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  screens. Yeah, I did that phone had two
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  purposes called my mom play snake.
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  That was it, that was what that phone was built for and it, I'm
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  pretty sure if I could find that for, I think it was lost Through
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  the Ages now. But if I could find out, then
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  I'm pretty sure it would still work, dude, because things were
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  built to last. It was the same.
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  Yeah, for me, I was 10 years old, this would have been Early
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  2000s. Very, very early 2000s and yeah,
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  first phone, Nokia 3410. And like you said, like, it was
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  a really funny experience because I think I've got it at
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  like Christmas or something, and I was so excited.
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  As I do my God, a phone, I have my own phone and I was like,
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  going through it and, you know, obviously like there's all the
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  numbers in there and then there's the state game but then
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  the sudden realization that hold on.
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  This is all I can do with it. I can call my mum and my nan or
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  I can play Snake and that's all my phone is and then the novelty
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  sort of wore off within like a couple of days and I was like
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  okay this is just a thing. Now which sounds really harsh
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  but you have to understand that like phones back then would just
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  not what they are. Not like I would say that phones
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  didn't become sort of inch properly interesting.
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  Until probably the first iPhone came out to be honest because
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  before that like flip phones stuff like that.
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  Like people look back and it's like oh that's novelty is that I
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  know I think the biggest thing that you could really do before
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  prior to to smartphones was like playing music on your phone.
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  That was kind of the biggest thing because we had to carry
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  around. Like, you know, I went for
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  everything like Walkman CD players, MP3 players, eventually
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  like iPod, Nano iPod Classic, all of that stuff, and then
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  eventually Yeah, being able to get songs on the phone and back,
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  then, you know, you could barely fit anything on there.
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  You'd be lucky to fit like 10 or 15 songs on your phone.
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  And then obviously the Advent of smartphones came and you know
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  they got better and better and now you know, you don't even
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  have to store stuff on there, you can just use your mobile
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  data. Listen to endless songs on
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  Spotify apple, apple music, whatever and the game is totally
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  changed and bring it back. What you said before about, you
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  know, kids taking taking it for granted.
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  Like I don't really know how else you could take it, because
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  you always kind of deal with the stuff that's given to you.
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  Do you know what I mean? So like I know that you and
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  myself can look back and remember like all this is what
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  the the world was like sort of before the internet, really took
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  a hold of things and before, you know, smartphones before this
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  before that and it's a pretty amazing Outlook to have because
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  I would consider myself as someone who is in pain.
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  With tin it almost in Two Worlds, I remember life before
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  then and I also remember growing up with this stuff like it was
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  pretty exciting being a teenager and having this you know stuff
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  coming out year on year and things getting better and
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  better. Like I remember that satisfying
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  feeling of not having to carry around a phone and an iPod
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  anymore and I could just put everything on my phone.
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  Like that was actually relief for me because it was less stuff
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  to potentially get robbed and Also ease of use.
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  Like it was just better, you know, I think the next big thing
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  is probably going to be virtual reality and I remember, I
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  remember the first with the first Oculus Rift development
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  kits, like the very first VR headset.
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  Probably I it's it's went out, they were so clunky, and there
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  is Lucien was off. I never tasted one of them, but
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  I saw like videos and was awful. Resolution, just tell and look
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  where we are now. Stand alone, will you just put
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  it on wherever you go with the Oculus Quest?
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  It's insane. And with Quantum Computing, when
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  I remove it, I remember when I was young, but when people talk
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  about quantum computers, it was just sci-fi, it wasn't a thing
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  that people realistically thought was possible and now
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  we're building them. My prediction is a combination
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  of what we already have and the technology that they have in the
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  movie, Minority Report. So obviously we have smart
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  watches right now but they're very limited in terms of like
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  You know what they can do that. You can have some a bit of apps.
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  You can play music on there but it's quite limited as to what
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  you can do, but it's essentially like having a mini phone on your
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  wrist and what I predict is that we're going to have sort of like
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  a an AR /. How do I put it hologram sort of
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  thing where you can basically throw?
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  What's your watch on to? Like a screen in front of you or
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  maybe onto a wall or something like that?
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  Basically a projection, and then you can interact with the
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  projection. That's what's going to happen.
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  I just don't know like how long it would take for that to
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  happen, really nice. I see it is, it's coming similar
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  but I think it's going to be more us.
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  Like implants things like that. I mean, the the best example I
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  can think of is a better version of the Google Glass one that
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  doesn't look that ridiculous. And I mean, if everybody was
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  wearing one of those, then you wouldn't need screens because
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  the glasses could just project something at any angle and even
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  shake with the people around you and, you know, if it had good
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  motion tracking, which I know it's so far from the future.
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  But, you know, it's stuff like that.
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  And of course, artificial intelligence is going to make
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  its way and, you know, do some stuff jump.
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  Absolute Gary. Yeah, it scares the shit out of
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  me, man. Like, when I hear about that
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  stuff, like Elon Musk is proposed and I'm like, I'm not
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  taking any implants, are you? Can you can try to sell me that
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  in any way you want. I'm not putting anything in my
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  body. Fuck that shit though.
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  I'm sorry that's that's too funny and a curse away.
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  I don't I don't care. It's um it's not the implants
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  themselves that I'm afraid of. It's what people will do with
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  him because if there's like Talking about that can play
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  music directly into your brain, right?
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  Yeah, that uses a torture device.
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  If that thing has to be Wireless, they can't put a plug
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  into your brain. So hack into it.
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  Rick Astley 24/7. Endless Rick Row in your head
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  like no, no, get it out of my head, please.
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  It's not like you can, you know, dig out your eardrums to make it
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  stop its playing into your brain.
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  It it will never stop. Which Each and as a good moment
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  which might be a bit more paranoid than most but
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  especially with as soon as AI is cracked and people don't
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  realize. These things will be kind of
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  feed off of each other because an AI is only as powerful as the
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  computer that runs it. You know, that's how fast it's
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  going to think, but when can't quantum computers are broken,
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  then the limit the speed limits on computers, just get Open wide
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  open. Which means if you run an AI on
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  a quantum computer, it, it thinks, and I mean, already on a
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  normal computer, I don't think much faster than humans can.
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  So if you give it access to Quantum computing power, it will
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  think even faster. And it will, it will outpace Us
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  in an instant. And people always say, oh, it
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  just tell the computer that it's not allowed to harm humans it
• 20:27
  like it needs to work out for the best villains, but
• 20:29
  eventually the outcome that's in the movies.
• 20:31
  Isn't that impossible? I love.
• 20:33
  Hey, the only way to protect humans is to, you know, put them
• 20:36
  in cages because they are danger.
• 20:38
  Always a danger to themselves. I mean we jump out of planes for
• 20:42
  fucks sakes. How can the computer not see
• 20:45
  that? Because the computer won't be
• 20:46
  able to understand. Oh, it's for excitement, a
• 20:48
  computer can't get bored. So it can't understand why we do
• 20:52
  exciting things. So totally, oh, they could
• 20:54
  putting themselves in Danger. Let's stop them from doing that
• 20:58
  so they can't die. And yeah, it's that's took
• 21:01
  hypothetical since since In that field.
• 21:04
  Do you think we're headed for our sort of like you know,
• 21:07
  Terminator style situation where we're fighting a I fighting
• 21:12
  around creation? Or do you think it will be more
• 21:14
  like I don't know. Let's say what's that movie that
• 21:18
  Will Smith was in the early 2000s.
• 21:20
  I Rabbi robot, you know, stuff like that where we're sort of
• 21:23
  living side by side with with with AI because there's a lot of
• 21:28
  interesting things to discuss here.
• 21:31
  Like for example, Servitude, you know, like this idea that like
• 21:36
  robots Androids, whatever would be essentially like slaves to
• 21:41
  humans should, you know, Androids cyborgs, whatever shit
• 21:45
  robots. Should they have their own
• 21:47
  rights just, as humans, like, should they just be slaves to us
• 21:52
  like, you know, there's a lot of considerations here and, you
• 21:56
  know, I'm just interested in your thoughts on that.
• 21:57
  And like, where do you think it's realistically, headed?
• 22:00
  Like, obviously, we discussed a couple of light funny, why not
• 22:03
  funny? Scenarios but like you know
• 22:04
  extreme scenarios there but where do you think it's actually
• 22:07
  headed based on what's happening right now?
• 22:09
  I think the best example that I can think of is I don't know how
• 22:13
  much you're into video games, but the game Detroit become
• 22:15
  human which is probably one of the best games that has been
• 22:18
  made in recent history. If anyone hasn't go play, it is
• 22:22
  fantastic and it really gives a good look into this and that
• 22:25
  swept the cheering toast and something similar to the
• 22:27
  cheering test will come in because you can and I mean of
• 22:31
  course people will tell you. Hey listen you you You can
• 22:33
  torture your robot. That's not.
• 22:35
  Okay. Because Rob the robots will most
• 22:37
  likely look humanoid. And I'm at least vaguely human
• 22:41
  like they do in our oh, but I don't think.
• 22:42
  Germinate is what will happen because if it happens we won't
• 22:46
  win. There is no way we can win
• 22:48
  against an AI that controls every single Factory and every
• 22:52
  single process on Earth will lose in a heartbeat.
• 22:56
  But in the more, I Robot 2, Detroit become human scenario.
• 22:59
  You need to think do these robots have.
• 23:02
  Can they feel That's the biggest thing and can they think like a
• 23:06
  human does Kenda a reason instead of just thinking
• 23:09
  logically? Can they one of the best
• 23:11
  examples of a zero Turing test is, will the computed willingly
• 23:17
  without being told? Hey, listen taking the risk.
• 23:19
  My glee to reward. Will it be able to think for
• 23:21
  itself? Hey, this is a risky thing to
• 23:23
  do, but it has a big payoff and it might be worth it even with
• 23:28
  the risks involved, like I can't.
• 23:31
  Okay, the base example, I can think of Which is kind of
• 23:33
  stupid, but it's like gambling on the stock market.
• 23:36
  Mmm, let's get a very drastic one, right?
• 23:39
  Jumping out of a plane, with a parachute to catch someone else.
• 23:43
  That's very risky. Because what if your Parish
• 23:46
  felt? What if you can't catch them?
• 23:48
  But in a human world, I like to think that I'd make that
• 23:52
  decision when I haven't been put in that scenario.
• 23:55
  So I don't know. But I like to think that if I
• 23:57
  see, hey, if someone's falling out of a plane I have a
• 23:59
  parachute. Clicks jump off to them, it's
• 24:00
  see if I can help, but will it robots thing?
• 24:03
  Okay, listen, that human is going.
• 24:05
  Most likely going to die now. So I'm not going to jump.
• 24:07
  Or will it take the risk? Another interesting thing that,
• 24:11
  okay, I'm gonna lower the tone a little bit, but I think it's
• 24:14
  still worth exploring because it's a fair kind of thing is,
• 24:18
  you know, there's a lot humans that enjoy sort of physical pain
• 24:23
  for sexual pleasure, you know, and, you know, that can be
• 24:27
  anything from sort of things like bondage, and BDSM and such
• 24:30
  stuff like that to such simple things like chalk.
• 24:33
  Kicking and stuff like that, would a robot be able to
• 24:36
  recognize that kind of stuff in terms of, you know, humans
• 24:43
  interacting with each other or even you know, humans
• 24:45
  interacting with robots. You don't know me like how would
• 24:48
  they know the limit where to go? You know, is this too far?
• 24:51
  Is this actually violence gin? And I mean, like, that's an
• 24:54
  interesting, you know, I, I know because I'm it's something that
• 24:57
  we've discussed that, we've discussed in the podcast, is the
• 25:00
  first person to make a fully automated system.
• 25:03
  Robot is going to be an instant billionaire of cause they are
• 25:07
  more than enough either. Curious or lonely people who
• 25:10
  would buy and I'm not talking about just one that.
• 25:12
  Can you want? I want one that can speak and
• 25:14
  respond. Yes.
• 25:15
  And, you know, right, but that's where probably a given.
• 25:19
  I'm going to tackle this from programmers perspective, that's
• 25:22
  way the account of a safe word, would be absolutely crucial.
• 25:26
  You would tell the robot. Hey, anything goes until I say
• 25:30
  this word. If I say this word, stop, Top.
• 25:33
  And that's now assuming that they want the robot to head to
• 25:36
  them. If it's the other way around, I
• 25:39
  think it will get very dark a very quickly because it's a
• 25:42
  robot. So, there isn't, there isn't
• 25:45
  really a point where you have to stop where if someone's life
• 25:47
  would normally be in danger. But I also think that they would
• 25:50
  be some, it's a weird thing when you think about the robots being
• 25:55
  the submissive one in that regard because how do they, how
• 25:58
  does the robot recognize? Hey, listen, this needs to stop.
• 26:02
  I'm in danger because If we follow asimov's Laws of Robotics
• 26:05
  that they need to always obey humans.
• 26:08
  So if they're about says, Hey listen, I'm going to break you
• 26:13
  apart piece by piece. You're not allowed to fight
• 26:15
  back, they're all but can't really because they're all the
• 26:18
  first one of the laws is you can't hurt Youmans so it's not
• 26:23
  allowed to fight back. What's it to do?
• 26:25
  And it gets really dark because it's it reveals like a person
• 26:29
  that does that to a robot that looks human.
• 26:32
  That's not a person. That's probably right in the
• 26:34
  head. Well, this kind of burns this
• 26:37
  kind of brings in this idea of like, you know, rules and rights
• 26:43
  for robots. Now, I know that sounds like a
• 26:44
  crazy thing to think about now but like you made a really good
• 26:48
  point in terms of like, okay, the robot would have
• 26:51
  preservation installed within it like to protect itself against
• 26:55
  danger, but against certain things, you know, just as you
• 26:58
  know, a human being would do, if someone's fighting you, you
• 27:01
  fight back, you don't sit and just I take it you and it's the
• 27:05
  same. I would imagine with the robot
• 27:07
  would be programmed to understand that it needs to do
• 27:10
  that to protect itself. So then that brings in this,
• 27:14
  this whole group, massive kind of group of considerations, like
• 27:19
  should they have rights? Should they be able to say no
• 27:23
  consent? That's a big part of this.
• 27:25
  Should a robot. Be able to say yes or no, where
• 27:29
  does that it? So I think that people need to
• 27:32
  think about because And I know this is a bit different but
• 27:35
  people say, oh, I robots having, right?
• 27:37
  That's crazy. Well about 100 years or less 100
• 27:41
  years. So that people saying hey women
• 27:44
  and people of color, right? That's crazy.
• 27:47
  No, it's something that this is a discussion that's going to
• 27:51
  need to be had as machines and as AI progresses because it's
• 27:55
  not impossible to imagine a no, there goes my long, it's not
• 27:59
  impossible to imagine an AI that can Let's catch another has
• 28:04
  emotion. I mean, I mean for all intense
• 28:08
  purposes, if you look and this is a bad example.
• 28:09
  But if you look at your Sims in the, in the game, I mean lately,
• 28:13
  at least, at least of simulated emotions.
• 28:17
  I mean, and we've gotten. So we've come so far with
• 28:21
  technology. I mean we have a chat Bots that
• 28:23
  at least vaguely seem human and they learn and it's only a
• 28:28
  matter of time it when we built. And we see when you start
• 28:30
  building, AI that improves upon itself and Learns from people
• 28:34
  and starts learning the difference between right and
• 28:35
  wrong. It's only a matter of time until
• 28:37
  we have one that feels and as soon as that barrier breaks, we
• 28:41
  have problems. Because what do you how do you
• 28:44
  handle a robot that feels? Can you turn her off?
• 28:47
  No, him off. What do you call it her or him?
• 28:50
  It what is the so many things that need to be talked about?
• 28:55
  And that's why I think the choice become human is such a
• 28:57
  great game because it handles it all.
• 28:59
  And through the play interaction, you see how things
• 29:02
  are? Out in different scenarios like
• 29:04
  because you have three main characters, is no Corner, which
• 29:11
  is a police robot. So his job is upholding the
• 29:13
  piece. So if he defects that's going
• 29:16
  against, its prime directive of, you know, upholding the law,
• 29:19
  making sure things occur at the crime doesn't happen.
• 29:22
  You have the car who is a victim of abuse even though she's a
• 29:26
  robot, it still it still happens and she defects to protect girl
• 29:31
  and there's another one. Let's say.
• 29:33
  So you see, it's a household robot and she sees a father
• 29:37
  abusing his child, right? Yeah.
• 29:40
  It's hurting the father acceptable in the me in the ends
• 29:43
  to protect the child, because, of course, you should protect
• 29:46
  the kid, but how far can you push that AIO?
• 29:49
  I can you kill the father in if it means protecting the child.
• 29:52
  Like what of because it's like in if I was there if it was the
• 29:55
  only way. Yes.
• 29:57
  Kill the father to protect to protect the child because the
• 30:00
  father isn't, I mean, yes, try everything else.
• 30:02
  But if that is the only way That's what needs to be done.
• 30:05
  You can't just let the child suffer but how do you how does
• 30:08
  the robot? How do you later robot?
• 30:10
  No, listen, this is the right thing to do and it does a robot
• 30:13
  feel guilt. What?
• 30:14
  If the robot doesn't feel remorse and goes on a killing
• 30:16
  spree, you know, the thing that interests me the most is that
• 30:20
  these things haven't fully been ironed out, discussed and
• 30:24
  finalized yet because low, you know, we have in, in abundance
• 30:29
  of probably, like 50 years worth of media in terms of films
• 30:34
  movies, audio dramas, whatever, the explore these themes in
• 30:38
  terms of science fiction. And eventualities this is what
• 30:41
  could happen. This is the worst of what could
• 30:44
  happen, this is the best of what could happen, you know, so much
• 30:47
  out there and there. Of those movies games.
• 30:50
  They all deal with these fiends. They all sort of say like, hey,
• 30:53
  you know, it's important that we establish dears, it's important
• 30:56
  that we established that, you know, we need to establish
• 30:58
  rights. We need to be wary of this, be
• 31:01
  wary of that. Like, I don't think.
• 31:05
  Yeah. Okay.
• 31:06
  How can I put this? It's clear that this is going to
• 31:10
  happen. It's just a matter of time at
• 31:12
  this point and I think it makes sense to sort of like figure
• 31:16
  this out. Now before we get to a point
• 31:19
  where like, you know we don't have time to figure it out and
• 31:23
  we just have time to react because I feel like that's
• 31:25
  always the worst thing that you can do in.
• 31:28
  Life is just like, reacts on the moment that something is
• 31:31
  happening in a sort of knee-jerk reaction as a It's when you
• 31:36
  there's a train about to pass by my house that's going to be
• 31:38
  loud, okay, I'm raising my apartment, you're probably it
• 31:43
  comes hi sorry hi that's fine man.
• 31:47
  No worries man we can it's not even that bad.
• 31:50
  Yeah. Actually that kind of that kind
• 31:52
  of leads me onto it to my next thing dial you know it forces I
• 31:58
  like I can throw a stone at my window.
• 32:01
  I can hit the train. Wow.
• 32:04
  How did how Do you deal with that?
• 32:05
  How do you like cope with that every single day I live with the
• 32:10
  pain to do to do certain phrase? I mean, what else can I do it?
• 32:15
  Just I mean, we didn't know when we got this place, no one told
• 32:18
  us. And we couldn't see, you know,
• 32:19
  we lived a few hundred miles away, we could have scout out
• 32:22
  this Apartments all the ratings were good.
• 32:24
  Everyone said, hey, yeah, this is a nice place.
• 32:26
  We got here train tracks, that's why it is Jesus.
• 32:30
  I like yeah it passes by like Times a day too bad.
• 32:37
  Actually, I wouldn't it be more? Here's the thing.
• 32:39
  It it pauses by the like 5 a.m. at.
• 32:42
  Listen, I know a lot of people say, oh, you need to wake up at
• 32:45
  5:00 a.m. to be productive. Fuck you.
• 32:46
  I wake up at 10, like and I go to sleep and, like, 2 or 3 a.m.
• 32:51
  So if people can't be mad at my store, only get eight hours of
• 32:54
  sleep, my work days, just shifted onwards.
• 32:56
  So that thing wakes me up in the middle of my sleep and, and I'm
• 33:00
  not. And I just it, yeah, it's it's
• 33:03
  real nice. I'm not gonna get salty of it
• 33:06
  and this is the bait I made. I must lie in it.
• 33:09
  Let's, let's talk about South Africa for a bit because I feel
• 33:13
  like there's a lot of stuff we could talk about one thing that
• 33:17
  I want to bring up is the Internet situation in South
• 33:20
  Africa. Now, you're not the first guest
• 33:23
  that I've had, that's kind of discussed this from South
• 33:26
  Africa. Sorry and I had a similar
• 33:29
  problem when shout out to Buck much the coal when we were doing
• 33:32
  our podcast together because he And he has connection issues
• 33:37
  when he's out there needs been that it's just normality, it's
• 33:40
  just part of living in South Africa and that's actually
• 33:43
  something that you said to me in our messages prior to this
• 33:45
  podcast as well. And you said that, like
• 33:48
  sometimes people deliberately sabotage the internet and
• 33:53
  destroy the physically, destroy the internet cables on purpose,
• 33:58
  and I sort of said to you, what is this politically motivated?
• 34:02
  And you said no, it's just people fucking around and I just
• 34:04
  couldn't. Understand why people would do
• 34:06
  that. Like the internet is such an
• 34:07
  important tool for all of us to our daily lives.
• 34:11
  At this point. Like, why would you sabotage
• 34:13
  that for yourself? I don't understand that.
• 34:15
  I just wanna ask you just for context, what's your internet
• 34:17
  speed? Like, I mean, I don't know the
• 34:21
  speed, but I would say that it's very good here in the UK.
• 34:24
  Very stable. Like you, once in a blue moon,
• 34:30
  you might have a blip where there's, you know, certain times
• 34:33
  of the day where there's like, Lot of traffic and be.
• 34:36
  It rarely happens. I'll be honest, like, probably
• 34:39
  maybe once every like three months, you'll have a situation
• 34:42
  like that, where it's like overloaded and you can barely
• 34:45
  get in the internet, but most of the time, it's excellent.
• 34:48
  If I'm honest, I have, and I'm not saying this to flex.
• 34:52
  I'm saying this for context, me and my brother love to give it.
• 34:55
  And we have the best internet to that's, so you can get in South
• 34:59
  Africa, to my knowledge. It is 200 MB up down.
• 35:04
  Mmm. Right now, I see a lot of people
• 35:07
  in America going. Oh, my gigabit internet is only
• 35:10
  reaching 900 mpps done with that.
• 35:12
  Now, shut the fuck up. It's, you know what I would do
• 35:15
  to have that kind of incident and for the prices that they get
• 35:18
  it for internet down here is extremely, extremely expensive,
• 35:22
  relatively speaking in relative to other countries, like we pay
• 35:27
  right back when I still lived in the town, I go to university to
• 35:29
  I'm studying long distance. Now I paid I did a quick
• 35:35
  envisioned in my head, like 60 bucks, 60 US dollars a month for
• 35:39
  a 20, mb/s up down line. Yes, it was a fiber connection
• 35:44
  but it's still an insane amount of money for a very very low
• 35:48
  bandwidth connection and the internet every single time we
• 35:52
  get load shedding our internet dies and I have to reset and I
• 35:56
  have to you know go reconfigure the router.
• 35:59
  But look what happens when you're doing things like
• 36:02
  streaming and yeah, because obviously Streaming probably
• 36:06
  takes up the most internet or downloading anything that like,
• 36:10
  even what we're doing right now, you know, just just having a
• 36:13
  zoom call it anything. We're like, the internet's
• 36:15
  having to host it essentially and and deliver a lot of fast
• 36:20
  internet connection just quickly like how how does that work?
• 36:27
  Like always it, can you watch things without there being blips
• 36:30
  or facts about sometimes? They'll but I like it.
• 36:33
  And I'm fortunate enough that my brother I have really good
• 36:35
  internet. That wasn't always the case.
• 36:37
  We had two very, I have lived with very bad internet and I
• 36:41
  remember most of them fruit until I was like, until I moved
• 36:45
  to you to University. So until I was 18, I could not
• 36:48
  watch a YouTube video in 1080P without it buffering. 720p was a
• 36:52
  struggle like it just wasn't. As soon as I saw a video is in
• 36:56
  60fps I had to watch it at 480p, otherwise it would not work and
• 37:00
  it was I lived only go 720p late at night if no one else was on
• 37:04
  the Work then where I could watch a YouTube video nice and
• 37:07
  smoothly. It was, I remember sites would
• 37:10
  take long to load images, which I mean most, most people will
• 37:13
  click on the site and the images are just they they, if they
• 37:16
  don't click on the side and think, okay, well, I'll just
• 37:18
  have to wait a few seconds for the images to load.
• 37:20
  Like, I'm, I know, I know hmm. Before legality speak, before
• 37:25
  legality, I have never tormented anything illegal in my life, so
• 37:30
  a movie, if I wanted to download a movie, I would have to queue
• 37:34
  it then. Right the night before, go to
• 37:36
  sleep, wake up and eight hours later than movie would be
• 37:38
  downloaded. And this is like saving 20p our
• 37:42
  long movie. Like that's just how we did
• 37:45
  things just slow internet. And on the topic of people
• 37:48
  sabotaging, it's the people that they're looking for the copper
• 37:51
  cables. So they cannot the copper down
• 37:53
  and sell it, and I assume they thought the fiber cable that
• 37:56
  connects the inner Insanity of was, you know, not a fight.
• 38:00
  Was there a copper cable and they just fucking broke it.
• 38:02
  Sorry for the language. But Frustrating.
• 38:06
  Yeah. That's this is quickly.
• 38:07
  Talk about illegal downloads. Now years ago, I remember when
• 38:11
  this sort of first kind of started being a thing here in
• 38:13
  the UK until the me, I'd say the mid-2000s or when LimeWire
• 38:18
  websites like that were programs like that.
• 38:21
  Sorry. What were prevalent?
• 38:23
  There were obviously a lot, you know, there was just stuff in
• 38:27
  the government and the police would often say things like, you
• 38:30
  know, you know you'll get a massive fine and you know, your
• 38:33
  height, your Service provider will cancel your, your internet
• 38:38
  and blah, blah, blah. And I have heard stories about
• 38:41
  this like it does happen, but it seems to me, like, it's very
• 38:47
  rare like, you would have to be downloading like maybe all the
• 38:51
  time constantly plus maybe seeding as well.
• 38:55
  Like, it doesn't really seem like something that often
• 38:59
  happens. And I know from personal
• 39:00
  experience, I've lived in other countries in Europe where they
• 39:03
  don't actually give I fuck like, you know, it's not even illegal.
• 39:07
  It's just like everyone does it? So it sounds like something that
• 39:11
  is different from country to Country.
• 39:13
  Now, you sort of sort of mentioned, they're like, are you
• 39:15
  know, I've to say fairs like I've never done this whatever is
• 39:18
  it really serious and Africa? Like well what the animals but I
• 39:21
  mean you can get up to five years jail time but time and
• 39:30
  sorry. Sorry I'm it's one of your jail
• 39:32
  time and 500 I mean five. And Rand which is like, 350 USD
• 39:39
  fine. Sorry, I confused the numbers
• 39:40
  that are but still a jail time and that's per face.
• 39:44
  So like just one movie could get you fired from his jail time
• 39:47
  but, and I'm pretty sure this is how it works in most countries
• 39:51
  that it's not the downloading, that's illegal.
• 39:53
  The the language is very specific.
• 39:55
  It is the distribution of illegally, copyrighted material.
• 39:58
  So and I'm not saying do this because it's coming, but if you
• 40:01
  set up your torrent it to never upload, then you're not Breaking
• 40:05
  any laws because downloading isn't illegal having the things
• 40:08
  isn't illegal, it is uploading, it's sharing them.
• 40:11
  Succeeding, seeding is nice. Seating is that is the legal
• 40:15
  pot. Now, if I Torrent completely
• 40:18
  legal, think pro-free, shareware programs, that I get legally
• 40:22
  with the permission of people I've never tormented anything so
• 40:25
  I just need to cover my ass. I seed because I'm not that bad
• 40:30
  but a lot of my biggest advice that I can give to someone
• 40:34
  Invest in a VPN because if you get a good one, like a I'm
• 40:39
  saying this without being sponsored at all.
• 40:41
  Expressvpn, get it look, it's fast enough.
• 40:45
  So it especially if you choose a node in your own country or in a
• 40:50
  country near you like they are ones in South Africa that I can
• 40:53
  just choose, which means one your I speak, can't see what
• 40:56
  you're doing. So you don't have to worry if
• 40:58
  you're Googling some weird things and I mean, come on,
• 41:01
  we've all Google being the odd question in there.
• 41:04
  You don't have to worry about them and equality, VPN is
• 41:07
  indispensable. It's something that is and don't
• 41:10
  cheap out. I've used three vpns before and
• 41:12
  I still have them for just in case.
• 41:15
  I'm like something like proton VPN but you cannot it just can't
• 41:21
  compare to a good quality. Paid VPN like Express own on VPN
• 41:26
  because in a lot of websites that ban, the typical IP
• 41:31
  addresses of vpns. But if you get a good one that
• 41:33
  can't happen because It's like random IP so it's something that
• 41:37
  takes a lot of the worry out of it under the Galaxy.
• 41:43
  I don't. I'm not worried that no the the
• 41:46
  cops will come busting down my door.
• 41:47
  They pretty incompetence and I said it makes sense.
• 41:53
  I also kind of makes sense as to why torrenting has not actually
• 41:58
  been made illegal because I've seen like, obviously a lot of
• 42:01
  court cases companies like Pirate Bay are still in
• 42:04
  existence. Distance.
• 42:05
  And I want that like how is this possible?
• 42:07
  But it's probably on that premise that like not everything
• 42:10
  that store entered in shared is illegal.
• 42:13
  You know, like you mentioned they're like you know people
• 42:15
  software developers will share free programs with each other.
• 42:20
  Totally legal, totally aboveboard.
• 42:22
  It's all to do with copyright really.
• 42:24
  It's that is that issues work with torrenting if you download
• 42:27
  the Windows updates, that's a torrent.
• 42:29
  That's exactly. Yeah, right.
• 42:31
  Yeah, just so people know that just torrenting isn't illegal.
• 42:34
  It's piracy that's illegal people.
• 42:36
  Confuse the two lat? Yeah.
• 42:39
  Yeah. Let's let's move it back to just
• 42:41
  talking about Africa. For a second.
• 42:43
  Talk us through because you said, it's looks live in there.
• 42:47
  Tell me about the good, the good and the bad about Africa, or
• 42:50
  South Africa. Sorry, one thing I can say the
• 42:53
  country itself, like the physical land.
• 42:56
  It's beautiful. It's a really, it's a really,
• 42:58
  it's hot permanently, okay. It's a very, it's a very Pretty
• 43:05
  place to be and it for tourist. I encourage them.
• 43:09
  You don't go to the cities, don't go to Johannesburg and
• 43:12
  Cape Town in Pretoria or bloemfontein it.
• 43:14
  Go to somewhere like Sutherland with a big telescope.
• 43:18
  Isn't something that very few people have seen the Stars on a
• 43:21
  truly clear night away from his City.
• 43:24
  It is breathtaking. And then it is something that I
• 43:27
  know that I encourage anyone e if you if you think hey what
• 43:32
  should I do with? Like some excess money I have.
• 43:34
  Want to take a trip, take a trip to the middle of nowhere and
• 43:38
  watch the stars because there's nothing like it.
• 43:41
  So, the country is very nice and the culture of people because
• 43:44
  it's essentially a Melting Pot of a bunch of different cultures
• 43:49
  which just boils down to South African culture.
• 43:52
  It's very, it's the people in general are nice and the food is
• 43:59
  great because likes it. It's a Melting Pot of just
• 44:02
  everyone else's food so yeah. You could just eat, it's
• 44:06
  something you can sit down and like an average restaurant and
• 44:08
  you can get like something, it's something Indian, something
• 44:11
  Japanese something American like a cheeseburger because only the
• 44:15
  Americans can think to add an unruly amount of cheese onto a
• 44:18
  burger. It's just something a lot of
• 44:20
  people. And in a way I have our own food
• 44:23
  like built on, which is basically beef jerky, but bitten
• 44:26
  every single possible way imaginable.
• 44:31
  Then the bad is once again it can be boiled down to the Bull.
• 44:34
  It's, you know, racism is still something that runs deep here
• 44:38
  and a lot of people was like, oh yeah.
• 44:40
  It's the white people's fault. No, it's not.
• 44:43
  There's a lot of. Yes, they are white racists, but
• 44:47
  there it's not just white people who are racist.
• 44:50
  And I know this is a bit of a hot take.
• 44:52
  Everyone can be racist and saying, only white people can be
• 44:57
  racist, is a racist statement in and of itself.
• 45:00
  Because we're not, like I'm sitting here, I'm I'm not
• 45:05
  racist. I honestly do not care what skin
• 45:08
  like. And people think that people
• 45:10
  think I mean, I mean this literally but I cannot give less
• 45:13
  of a shit what color your skin is?
• 45:15
  Because it's honestly doesn't matter.
• 45:18
  Yeah and I'm and I think that people need to realize this
• 45:21
  perspective and speaking of his I'm speaking from the
• 45:23
  perspective of white man in a country way, the majority is
• 45:26
  black and to college like it's not the American situation where
• 45:30
  like we can't just press them even if we wanted to do.
• 45:33
  They outnumber us a It's like it even if he wanted to decide.
• 45:37
  Hey we want to. We want to bring that whole
• 45:39
  upper part of that thing back again.
• 45:41
  No, it's not going to happen. It's not and it's not something
• 45:45
  that we want. It's on the topic of our
• 45:49
  products are part of. It wasn't abolished by Nelson
• 45:51
  Mandela. It was abolished by a white
• 45:53
  president, not until I had a huge role and he is a great man,
• 45:56
  but if it wasn't for, so for the cooperation of, a lot of people
• 46:01
  working together because that's what it's about.
• 46:04
  It's about a people working together to fight the problems
• 46:08
  not separating. Say, oh, white men are the
• 46:11
  problem. No racism is the problem and we
• 46:14
  all need to work together to fight against that.
• 46:17
  Not say how they are the problem they spoke boot.
• 46:19
  They're not and yes, we are white racist but guess what?
• 46:23
  Yeah. Races of every single race Creed
• 46:25
  nationality and gender, you can possibly imagine because
• 46:29
  Prejudice is just something that runs deep in people.
• 46:33
  And I'm not saying that I haven't said, racist things or
• 46:35
  done racist things. I have, I openly admit to that
• 46:38
  because it's, it's part of the culture of how we were raised.
• 46:43
  Some people are just racist and if you exposed to that of the
• 46:45
  young age you sort of pick up on some of that.
• 46:48
  But I'm don't do it anymore, especially not on purpose
• 46:52
  because that's not how I want to live.
• 46:55
  And that's not how I think this place should be run and people
• 46:58
  me to one of the largest political figures in our
• 47:01
  country. Wrote a song called That the
• 47:04
  title translates to shoot the farmers which farmers are what
• 47:09
  white people are referred to here.
• 47:11
  So it's virtually sings shoot the whites and people.
• 47:16
  There was no uproar. In fact, a lot of people agreed
• 47:18
  with him and that if I went into streets and started singing
• 47:22
  shoot the blacks, I would be to use the word.
• 47:26
  I will be cancelled too fast that I can finish the sentence
• 47:29
  and there's a lot of people who don't realize it runs both ways.
• 47:33
  And I'm not saying that I am living a bad life in that, I am
• 47:37
  being discriminated against, I'm not.
• 47:39
  But what I'm saying is, people need to especially Americans.
• 47:43
  They need to get their heads out of their asses and realized I
• 47:46
  wish I wish I could just make some of those people live in
• 47:52
  South Africa. Olivia Lee shoes of the average
• 47:54
  South African for a week because my mother lives on a farm.
• 47:58
  I need to live every single day worrying that she might be
• 48:01
  murdered because the farmer Nothing people, Target farmers
• 48:05
  and kill them because of reparations and because they
• 48:08
  want not that, I need to be rightfully given to them.
• 48:11
  They want to take it if they were, don't want to go through
• 48:14
  the legal system, to get the land that was taken from their
• 48:16
  forefathers. They just want to go in and take
• 48:18
  it, which isn't the right way to do it because I know people, I
• 48:23
  know white ones who have been this on those funds since they
• 48:26
  since they ancestor the landed in this country and yes, give
• 48:31
  some of the land back. No, but don't take people's
• 48:35
  livelihoods away. You know, there is a balance
• 48:37
  there that can be met way everyone can get what they want
• 48:41
  and what they need and we can stop, you know, building a good
• 48:45
  proper country, but then, you know, it's never going to happen
• 48:49
  because the government is corrupt, the people hate each
• 48:51
  other. We can't keep the fucking lights
• 48:53
  on. Yeah, it's a rent.
• 48:57
  No, it's fine. It's kind of crazy, like, some
• 48:59
  of the things that are going on there.
• 49:01
  Like, yeah, those blackouts the internet problems.
• 49:04
  Obviously, as you mentioned that, the mass racism racism is
• 49:08
  prevalent in any country. It's just one of those things.
• 49:11
  It's ignorance. It's, I mean, it interests me.
• 49:16
  I can understand it in a country, like, South Africa,
• 49:18
  where there's a lot of history there.
• 49:20
  There's. Yeah, I'm not by any means.
• 49:22
  You know saying it's okay. But like I at least understand
• 49:25
  it. But why it still happens to this
• 49:29
  day when I see it in countries, like, you know, the UK.
• 49:34
  Again, you know, is rooted in history but it's kind of It's
• 49:40
  just it's nonsensical I mean, racism is nonsensical anyway,
• 49:44
  obviously, but it's like, I don't know.
• 49:47
  It's like They never have any any good arguments.
• 49:52
  They never have any kind of like logical arguments, they never
• 49:55
  have anything, it's just kind of mass ignorance organized into
• 50:01
  like groups. And, you know, I mean, it's like
• 50:05
  you said at the very beginning, you know, like you don't care if
• 50:08
  someone's black white asian, whatever, like, you know, and
• 50:10
  it's the same for me, I don't even think in such terms, like
• 50:13
  I'm just kind of, I see people generally mean and I'm not
• 50:17
  trying to, I'm not trying to be all like Preachy here.
• 50:20
  But genuinely, that's how I see it.
• 50:22
  You know, I grew up in London in the UK, which is a multicultural
• 50:27
  City. And from a very young age, I was
• 50:30
  exposed to people from all different, nationalities,
• 50:34
  Creed's colors, whatever. And that, that for me was just
• 50:38
  life, that's okay. That's just people, look
• 50:40
  different people. And if anything, I'm the one
• 50:43
  thing about me as a person is, I've always had a kind of like,
• 50:45
  childlike fascination with anything that differs from me.
• 50:50
  So like if I see a black person if I see and you know, Asian
• 50:54
  Muslim, I just want to know more, I want to know more about
• 50:57
  their culture. I want to know like because I'm
• 50:59
  just fascinated. I like anything.
• 51:01
  That's anything that I have not experienced or I know nothing
• 51:05
  about. I want to know more about and I
• 51:08
  don't understand racists from that perspective because it's
• 51:11
  like, why wouldn't you want to know about all the amazing
• 51:14
  things that exist in the world and all the different
• 51:18
  nationalities cut? Cultures different types of
• 51:21
  music, different types of food. I mean, if you're a racist,
• 51:24
  you're essentially just like restricting yourself, limiting
• 51:28
  your own life experience and I just think that's really sad.
• 51:32
  And, you know, you're just losing out in the long run and,
• 51:37
  you know, I I feel like a broken record of said this before on
• 51:41
  the podcast but like I, whenever I actually hear a racist or meet
• 51:46
  a racist like I just don't actually know what to say.
• 51:49
  I mean obviously if they're like doing that to a friend of mine,
• 51:53
  I'll confront them obviously. And I have done but like when
• 51:57
  you just hear it or see it it's like really like what you know,
• 52:03
  you kind of just find yourself like take him back.
• 52:06
  You like of all the things in the world to be like You know,
• 52:11
  worried about doing it every day.
• 52:14
  Like, this is the thing, this is your this gentleman, like it
• 52:18
  just kind of believe you're deciding to waste your time on.
• 52:21
  Yeah. And it's a meeting, someone else
• 52:23
  the invalid, because of how they look, but this is the thing,
• 52:26
  like, every sort of documentary I've ever seen on racist.
• 52:29
  Like, if you take some of the stuff in, in the, in the
• 52:33
  America, with the KKK and stuff, when you get people that do
• 52:36
  documentaries, where they go, like, there's this amazing that
• 52:39
  guy in America, I can't remember his name.
• 52:41
  But he's famous for sitting down with the leaders of cake, okay.
• 52:46
  And just talking to them just having a normal conversation and
• 52:49
  he's like, you know, done that successfully.
• 52:52
  He's converted many. Many people, you know, he's an
• 52:56
  amazing man. I can't remember his name, but
• 52:58
  amazing guy. And it always interests me when
• 53:03
  you confront racists and you just, you know, you don't get
• 53:06
  angry, you don't get aggressive. You just literally deconstruct
• 53:10
  their argument is that okay? So this is what you believe tell
• 53:13
  me why you believe that and then you basically throw counter
• 53:15
  arguments in a calm and rational Manner and a lot of time you can
• 53:19
  just defeat them and they don't know what to say next because
• 53:22
  all of their hatred is illogical.
• 53:25
  And it's built from, you know, years of paranoia of reading
• 53:29
  things in newspapers or or what, you know, their parents, their
• 53:33
  families have installed in them over in generations and none of
• 53:37
  it comes from, you know, actual experience.
• 53:40
  And don't get me wrong, I know. There are some people out there
• 53:42
  that have had bad experiences with, with people from certain
• 53:46
  races and they base that kind of prejudice on that.
• 53:50
  But I think it's kind of a bit of a leap to say, okay, so a few
• 53:53
  people. Fuck me over from like this
• 53:54
  particular race. Therefore, I'm going to hate
• 53:57
  them for eternity. Like that doesn't make any sense
• 54:00
  to me, that people are people. You can get screwed over by
• 54:02
  anyone, and it doesn't have any reflection on their nationality
• 54:08
  Creek. I'll erase whatever.
• 54:09
  It's just that particular person, You over because humans,
• 54:13
  unfortunately, a like that, but I think people need to
• 54:20
  acknowledges and people always bring up the fifteen fifty
• 54:23
  percent. I mean the Thirteen fifty
• 54:25
  percent argument in America, you know, I think, I think the exact
• 54:29
  code is, despite making up only 13% of the population.
• 54:32
  Black people commit 50% of the violence, crimes, right?
• 54:35
  That's it. That's just that this
• 54:36
  significance. Turn around America.
• 54:38
  Now, I don't have to statistic is true or not.
• 54:40
  I haven't I wasn't. I've been bothered to look it up
• 54:42
  but if it's true I'm gonna humor in.
• 54:45
  So I'd say it's true instead of saying, hey back people can are
• 54:49
  more violent. Let's say, hey let's look into
• 54:51
  this. Let's say let's see why this is
• 54:54
  happening is a disenfranchisement is a
• 54:55
  depression. Is it just general
• 54:57
  discrimination that they feel they need to do this.
• 54:59
  It's don't don't denounce statistics, you know, don't
• 55:04
  denounce fact, find the root of the facts find there and if it's
• 55:07
  a problem fix it because something that seems like a
• 55:10
  problem. No one.
• 55:11
  It commits any violent crime so let's find the root and fix it
• 55:15
  is like, what if it's, you know, desperation what if because?
• 55:20
  Yeah, it's if you go by ratios it, actually I shouldn't say
• 55:25
  this because I have no idea about my own country statistics,
• 55:27
  but in my own experience. If you just go by ratios, then
• 55:32
  more black people live in poverty than white people in
• 55:34
  South Africa. I mean, if you don't go parishes
• 55:37
  of because the out because they are like, 821 up number, if I
• 55:41
  remember. The biggest correctly.
• 55:42
  So why is that? Is it still remnants of what
• 55:45
  happened? During a part of?
• 55:46
  It is a discrimination in the workplace.
• 55:48
  People want willing to hire black or college workers like
• 55:51
  find the problem and fix it. Don't denounce the statistic
• 55:55
  because a lot of things those that is it will point to a
• 55:59
  larger problem, that needs addressing and if you say, oh
• 56:02
  no, that can't be true. Oh, that's fake news.
• 56:05
  Then you're going to miss out on that problem and miss out on an
• 56:08
  opportunity to address it and fix it.
• 56:11
  So many times it's like to bring it back to being a program.
• 56:14
  It's like seeing a boxing. Oh no, that's it's no, it's not
• 56:17
  a problem and just building on with it and eventually it grows
• 56:21
  into a much bigger problem. That's much harder to fix.
• 56:24
  Is there just ironing it out when you have the chance now?
• 56:27
  And I think we can achieve so much if we just work together
• 56:30
  and to put up bullshit differences aside for once.
• 56:34
  Absolutely, I couldn't agree more, especially if you know our
• 56:37
  ambition is to explore splay. Export it.
• 56:41
  Explore space and you know, potentially meet
• 56:44
  extraterrestrials. I think the fact that we can't
• 56:47
  even get along with each other says a lot about our chances of
• 56:51
  Success With regards to that. So anyway, moving it Forward,
• 56:56
  you're studying programming at University, you've mentioned
• 56:59
  quite a few times throughout that you're, you know, involved
• 57:02
  in that sphere. So how is it going?
• 57:03
  And what do you plan to do after University for work?
• 57:07
  Well, I really want to go into either a, i Or virtual reality
• 57:12
  like those. I think those two are the future
• 57:15
  of my field, you know? But I mean, what I really want,
• 57:20
  what I really want to do anything in that, that's the
• 57:22
  dream is you make a success in podcasting or youtubing or
• 57:25
  streaming or even the editing that I'm doing like working with
• 57:29
  multimedia something that I really enjoy like audio video
• 57:32
  images. So if I can make a job out of
• 57:34
  that, I'd be happy. Like if this editor thing can
• 57:37
  turn into something that's you know, pays enough to live off of
• 57:40
  if I can. Managed to stop making an income
• 57:43
  from streaming and YouTube and podcast and things like that
• 57:45
  that are, that's the dream. But if not, I would be happy
• 57:49
  working in working like programming with AI or virtual
• 57:53
  reality or anything like that. You know.
• 57:55
  Yeah. You mentioned a few times within
• 57:58
  that and front podcast. Yeah, that you do video editing
• 58:01
  and I noticed that you're a video editor editor for a fairly
• 58:04
  successful YouTuber by the name of slick Goku who I believe has
• 58:08
  somewhere in the region of 70,000 to Hundred thousand.
• 58:12
  I think, right? Thank you.
• 58:14
  I think he crossed ATK like a week or so ago.
• 58:17
  If, right? Yeah, I should probably keep a
• 58:20
  bed of oh, we crossed 90,000. Well, okay.
• 58:22
  Well, I know, I know there's a bit of a push going from his
• 58:26
  community to try and get him over 100k by like the end of the
• 58:29
  month, if I remember correctly. So, yeah, he does kind of like,
• 58:34
  was it as I Dragon Ball Z style. Meme videos.
• 58:37
  Is that right? Something like that.
• 58:38
  Yeah. Originally he He originally the
• 58:42
  character came from a different channel of the two GL 2 GS.
• 58:46
  I think it was where they did a bridged version of Dragon Ball
• 58:51
  Z. And he, I'm The Man Behind the
• 58:53
  channel voiced, the characters slick, Goku and the, I don't
• 59:00
  know if the series just stopped but each of the people took
• 59:03
  their characters and kind of use the personas to create channels.
• 59:07
  So it is a channel that is quite a good waiter.
• 59:11
  On by the select Goku character and, you know, they'd be skids.
• 59:15
  And, you know, a few story is like story time because, you
• 59:18
  know what it really average YouTuber would do but just from
• 59:23
  with thick, with these characters and how did you get,
• 59:28
  you know, this particular job working as his editor and you
• 59:32
  know, how did you get into video editing in general?
• 59:34
  And how many clients are you actually managing at this time?
• 59:38
  At this point it's only one because I'm Leslie starts up in
• 59:42
  three days and I want to check my fluid pick up anything else?
• 59:45
  Yeah I want to see what we've got so I can balance things
• 59:47
  because I have more. I have a bit more time so I can
• 59:51
  do more, but I want that that's just without University being
• 59:54
  bit. So I would just want to see
• 59:55
  before I pick up anything else and it was pure luck.
• 59:58
  I went on Twitter for the first time in a very long time because
• 1:00:01
  I'm the new episode of, I think it.
• 1:00:05
  Yeah, I know. I just re-watched and Sword Art
• 1:00:08
  Online Abridged which is to anyone listening if Didn't like
• 1:00:12
  sort of, in mind the anime go watch The Abridged Series by
• 1:00:15
  something with entertainment on YouTube that I say, honestly not
• 1:00:18
  just funny, but I better version of this story.
• 1:00:22
  So I check his Twitter and I went down a rabbit hole and
• 1:00:25
  eventually I came across a tweet that the guy made him said Hayes
• 1:00:28
  looking for editors and like hey I know edit, I can try this soap
• 1:00:32
  night. I've sent him messages like okay
• 1:00:33
  cool, I'll give you a video where you can edit it and we'll
• 1:00:35
  see if it works out and I did and I'm now I have even I'm a I
• 1:00:41
  accidentally managed to create a better, not a main character,
• 1:00:45
  but like a side character in the universe.
• 1:00:47
  Like the editor is now a recognised character in his
• 1:00:51
  videos. Haha, I didn't mean to happen
• 1:00:54
  but nowadays which is it's fun it and I enjoyed doing it and
• 1:00:59
  some of the work is tedious, but that's just what editing is a
• 1:01:02
  lot of. It can be very tedious, but it's
• 1:01:05
  fun. It's fun.
• 1:01:06
  What advice would you be able to give to people that want to get
• 1:01:10
  into the field of Yo editing, patience is a virtue, like I
• 1:01:16
  cannot describe like you will see you're going to spend hours
• 1:01:19
  and hours and hours working on a single like five seconds of the
• 1:01:24
  video. But as soon as it's all done and
• 1:01:27
  you get the feedback and you see how you people say, hey, this
• 1:01:29
  looks good and you get paid. It's worth it.
• 1:01:32
  Because in the end and this, again, this works for any visit
• 1:01:35
  Vice for any job in the end. The work you do as soon as it's
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  done. It's over.
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  But the Awards, you get stays with you, whether it's money or
• 1:01:44
  experience, or anything like that.
• 1:01:45
  You keep that you hold onto that it's yours.
• 1:01:49
  So it's in and you just need to push through and also figure out
• 1:01:54
  how keyframes work, they are invaluable.
• 1:01:58
  Those are the two main things for video editing.
• 1:02:01
  You regularly write stories on Reddit, why do you choose to do
• 1:02:05
  this? What are the benefits and what
• 1:02:07
  do you like about Reddit, thread itself?
• 1:02:11
  I can take it or leave it as a platform to be honest.
• 1:02:14
  Okay, the thing is the thing about Reddit, which makes it so
• 1:02:18
  special effects over like that is the amount of communities.
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  There's always if you will find someone some community that
• 1:02:26
  agrees with it, which can be Ed. Because, I mean no matter what
• 1:02:30
  you believe, they will be someone who agrees with you and
• 1:02:32
  believes with you. I started writing because I'm I
• 1:02:37
  was just browsing Reddit two years back now but early. 28 in
• 1:02:41
  Delhi 2019 and I something at recommended to me from a
• 1:02:46
  subreddit saw /. HF Y which stands for Humanity.
• 1:02:49
  Fuck yeah. Which you know in a lot of
• 1:02:52
  movies the Trope is when we meet Aliens, we either the same as
• 1:02:56
  them or worse. Lying, but the entire theme of
• 1:03:00
  this subreddit is writing stories.
• 1:03:02
  Where humanity is the shit. We are the cream of the crop.
• 1:03:05
  The top of the line, the best of the best.
• 1:03:08
  Another side of him. No I've been I've been doing
• 1:03:11
  I've written a few things before but I've never published
• 1:03:14
  anything or put anything out there, so let's run, write
• 1:03:17
  something. So I wrote an open-ended story,
• 1:03:21
  you know, in a short, open-ended thing about aliens invading and
• 1:03:25
  you know, just one dude, helping ice.
• 1:03:27
  Squadron of other aliens that came to help us and it's got a
• 1:03:31
  really positive reception. So it's like, okay, but let's
• 1:03:35
  keep this going. And now, I am in the just
• 1:03:38
  yesterday. I finally after two months of
• 1:03:41
  waiting, I finally wrote the second part of The Last Arc of
• 1:03:45
  the story. So it took off and a lot of
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  people really enjoyed it, which which means a lot to me, like,
• 1:03:52
  I'm very happy that it managed to take off like that, congrats
• 1:03:56
  man. Sounds like It's certainly
• 1:03:58
  something you should continue doing for sure.
• 1:04:01
  I'm gonna I'm gonna finish the story if it kills me, I'm going
• 1:04:05
  to finally finish this thing and yeah, it and it's a lot of fun.
• 1:04:09
  I like I discovered I really enjoy writing and, you know, I
• 1:04:12
  already have the I like I have a notebook in my drawer.
• 1:04:16
  Notwithstanding this droids in one of these drawers which I
• 1:04:19
  write all my own. Oh it's in my backpack.
• 1:04:21
  That's over there. I'm not gonna go get it right
• 1:04:22
  now, but all of my, I already have ideas for the next three
• 1:04:25
  stories that I'm going to right after this.
• 1:04:27
  Northern this universe, not even in the same genre, necessarily
• 1:04:31
  want to try branching out, but don't already know what I'm
• 1:04:33
  going to write as soon as I finish this one and I know how
• 1:04:36
  this story is going to finish as well.
• 1:04:37
  I just need to, you know, fill in the space between now and the
• 1:04:41
  end and it's a lot of fun and it's going to be kind of sad
• 1:04:45
  once I finish it. Because, you know, it I've built
• 1:04:47
  this universe, I created the characters, I hear you grow
• 1:04:49
  attached to these. Yeah, I get that all good.
• 1:04:53
  Things must come to an end. Absolutely, who has pretty much
• 1:04:55
  what I was going to say next. So you're currently working on a
• 1:05:00
  visual novel Style game. Tell us more about that.
• 1:05:04
  Okay. So again, there's going to
• 1:05:07
  reflect badly on me, but if the game is going to be rated R
• 1:05:10
  plus, but optionally, there's going to be a trigger for that.
• 1:05:12
  And the only reason I made that decision is because hentai game
• 1:05:15
  sell better, okay? Like I went and checked, they
• 1:05:19
  honestly do. I don't know why I decided to do
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  this. I can't pinpoint.
• 1:05:26
  You two a moment we decided. Hey, this Something I'm gonna do
• 1:05:28
  it just one time. Some that they're just decided
• 1:05:30
  to sit down that, huh. I see a lot of these games in my
• 1:05:35
  steam recommendations because I have friends who play them and
• 1:05:37
  you know you get recommended things that your friends do and
• 1:05:42
  on. They don't play hands.
• 1:05:43
  Like it was a play visual novel games and I said, I was like,
• 1:05:45
  huh? I guess recommended some of
• 1:05:47
  these. I can make one of these.
• 1:05:48
  I could naively. I thought I can write it's a lot
• 1:05:52
  harder than. It seems to write something with
• 1:05:54
  multiple endings but you know, so I so I I sat down and I
• 1:05:58
  started writing Up character sheets for the six main girls in
• 1:06:03
  the story because one of the traps is you know, that you have
• 1:06:05
  it, your choice between which of these girls who want to pursue
• 1:06:08
  and then you get the good or bad ending and I'm not gonna do the
• 1:06:13
  degenerate thing. We can learn and we can in land
• 1:06:16
  more than one know you will. You will choose and you will if
• 1:06:20
  I can persevere and you will get the bad ending, if you fuck up
• 1:06:24
  and I'm it's something that I've decided I want this.
• 1:06:27
  Actually write a good story. You know, Survivor fan service
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  is going to be just that it's gonna be Phantoms and I want to
• 1:06:33
  put a debug, this is the best I can, but it is I want and the
• 1:06:37
  same thing for the story that I'm writing on Reddit.
• 1:06:39
  I want my stories to be able to make people cry if I can put it
• 1:06:42
  like that. Like I want to actually make
• 1:06:44
  people feel something. Not just, you know.
• 1:06:46
  See yeah. That was cool.
• 1:06:47
  And then move on I wanted to try and leave an impact.
• 1:06:50
  So yeah, the I have one of my friends who said he'll try to do
• 1:06:54
  the art so at least you know, that some Cheap labor that I'm
• 1:06:58
  getting to. Yeah, it's nowhere near done.
• 1:07:01
  I saw it's not even bracket really started yet.
• 1:07:04
  I'm just still working on the main storylines before I start
• 1:07:08
  patting it out and actually making it into a fully-fledged
• 1:07:11
  story. And then a game that is playable
• 1:07:15
  So some of that is something I want to try and see if I can get
• 1:07:17
  like the vision one by the end of the year, best of luck with
• 1:07:21
  the hope it goes. Well, thanks, so you
• 1:07:23
  occasionally, create YouTube channels and I thought this was
• 1:07:26
  sorry, YouTube videos and I thought this is pretty
• 1:07:28
  interesting because you've got at least a thousand followers
• 1:07:32
  subscribers, which is hard to get.
• 1:07:34
  I mean, I've been trying for close to two and a half years to
• 1:07:37
  go. So I think you may have me
• 1:07:40
  confused with outside and not have at least a thousand Subs.
• 1:07:43
  I think you may have You can see I think if I say that I made
• 1:07:47
  with my streams crossed with the guy at it with I have almost
• 1:07:51
  zero that's interesting because I remember I looked at some one
• 1:07:55
  of the links that you have and it leads to a YouTube channel
• 1:08:00
  where there's like at least 1,000 or there's a lot of
• 1:08:02
  viewers or something. So you don't have a YouTube
• 1:08:04
  channel or you don't do it. I do it.
• 1:08:06
  I do have a YouTube channel. I'm sorry.
• 1:08:07
  I'm have linked to incorrect, even this, sorry, I don't.
• 1:08:10
  So I didn't mean to mislead you or anything like that though.
• 1:08:12
  I'm on my channel, but But I have like nine subscribers.
• 1:08:17
  Okay, sorry, I didn't mean to mislead to anything like that.
• 1:08:21
  Well, how dare you I found himself?
• 1:08:26
  It's cool, man. Oh, I mean, considering the fact
• 1:08:29
  that you're a video editor, do you think you were ever create
• 1:08:31
  videos for YouTube, just for your own stuff in the future, or
• 1:08:35
  I have but a lot of them are just, you know, they're nice.
• 1:08:39
  Word is a shitpost, like, one of them is assume you've seen
• 1:08:43
  Avengers and game. Yeah.
• 1:08:46
  Well I took it the a bit of the last battle The Avengers in game
• 1:08:49
  before they Captain Marvel comes flying in, but I per character
• 1:08:53
  scenes and replace it with scenes of Buzz, Lightyear, from
• 1:08:56
  Toy Story. 2, let's go to church, it's still it's one of
• 1:09:00
  my it's one of in my opinion. One of the best things that I've
• 1:09:02
  ever created. How many views did it go?
• 1:09:07
  Let me quickly go have a look at mine, you know?
• 1:09:10
  Maybe. Maybe it's the views.
• 1:09:11
  I'm thinking of that headlock on the other like a lot of use or
• 1:09:14
  something. If I have them, it's something
• 1:09:17
  that I absolutely must limit. Can I just click on this video,
• 1:09:20
  please? Why is everything struggling
• 1:09:23
  today? It will be because you're trying
• 1:09:24
  to do two things at once. Like, no, no, it's it's not too
• 1:09:28
  slow. It's just I can't click on in
• 1:09:30
  the oh, it's get. It's got like 18 views now.
• 1:09:33
  Okay. All right.
• 1:09:35
  It makes it. I don't really go out of my way
• 1:09:37
  to promote anything, you know. It's I just kind of do my own
• 1:09:41
  thing and I guess it's I mean, this is a video that shows
• 1:09:44
  Should have gotten copy striked instantly because you know, it's
• 1:09:48
  not okay to. I stole I String it up Stole,
• 1:09:52
  You Know, the music from Toy Story to the but it's still free
• 1:09:56
  you so I can monetize it, but I'm still gonna put it on
• 1:09:58
  because I think it's funny. It's interesting, it's
• 1:10:02
  interesting when it comes to YouTube like whether or not it's
• 1:10:05
  worth promoting or not, because like, I've got three YouTube
• 1:10:08
  channels now, right? And I just simply put, don't
• 1:10:11
  have the time to do everything that I want to do.
• 1:10:14
  So, I had to make the conscious decision to promote everything
• 1:10:17
  on my main Channel, not promote on my second Channel.
• 1:10:24
  And then my third Channel, only promote if it's like specific
• 1:10:28
  for a topic. Something trending, a particular
• 1:10:31
  occasion, something like that. I did pre-schedule everything
• 1:10:36
  for like three months worth of content.
• 1:10:38
  And I've still got loads of content to, it's like podcast
• 1:10:42
  Clips, essentially, right? But, like, I noticed with all
• 1:10:45
  the stuff that I've already promoted and released in this
• 1:10:48
  first month of the channel being sort of in existence, I've
• 1:10:52
  gotten like, know, Use a tool and this is that promotion on
• 1:10:55
  Twitter. Red are all the usual channels I
• 1:10:58
  could just does nothing. So I was like, well I'm not
• 1:10:59
  going to continue to waste my time doing this.
• 1:11:02
  If it's not going to kind of go anywhere, I'll stay I'll keep
• 1:11:05
  putting the stuff on YouTube and doing all the behind-the-scenes
• 1:11:09
  stuff that you have to do for you too.
• 1:11:10
  But I don't see the point of promoting it elsewhere, but the
• 1:11:13
  interesting thing is a lot of my favorite YouTubers.
• 1:11:17
  I've noticed, don't like, do next to no promotion at all.
• 1:11:21
  That, once in a blue moon, they might say, hey, here's A link
• 1:11:24
  but most of the time they don't bother and their videos just
• 1:11:27
  smash so makes me wonder like what's the best idea?
• 1:11:30
  Is it better to make MO is a better not to promote like who
• 1:11:32
  knows is think that the hardest part is getting your thirst 1000
• 1:11:36
  Subs. That's the hardest part of doing
• 1:11:39
  it and it's the most effective thing and it's something that
• 1:11:43
  the people have shown photographs and shit is using
• 1:11:46
  your fans as soon as you start getting subs and Views do the
• 1:11:49
  call, I'd say, hey if you're watching this and you're not
• 1:11:51
  okay, everybody listening to this.
• 1:11:52
  If you're watching this in Not subscribe to not following this
• 1:11:55
  podcast. Click the follow button, leave a
• 1:11:57
  rating and people say, oh it's they don't like it but you can I
• 1:12:01
  have a hair in my mouth? There we go.
• 1:12:04
  If you do that, call out. If you can see, there's always a
• 1:12:07
  spike that it's reason. Why.
• 1:12:09
  Dream, one of the biggest microfuge tube is he does that
• 1:12:11
  at the beginning of every single one of his videos because it's
• 1:12:14
  effective and you tell them, hey, if you have a friend, share
• 1:12:17
  this video, to the machine, this podcast to them, if you think
• 1:12:19
  they might like it, you know, get the word out there, they
• 1:12:22
  excuse your, and Debating. That's very effective is setting
• 1:12:25
  goals for your community. Say hey, let's see if we can get
• 1:12:28
  like up to like 20 Subs by by the end of February or 50 or 100
• 1:12:34
  or whatever goal you want to set.
• 1:12:35
  You know, it's he gets to this point, you're completely right.
• 1:12:39
  Like I changed my whole Mo with this because I used to be like
• 1:12:42
  really stubborn. As I know, I'll never do this.
• 1:12:44
  I hate YouTubers that do this blah blah blah and then I had a
• 1:12:48
  really long conversation with one of my streamer friends and
• 1:12:51
  he was like, listen, you just need to do this like just Bury
• 1:12:54
  your pride and just fucking do it because it will have an
• 1:12:57
  effect on, you know, because he said like if you want to grow,
• 1:13:00
  you need to do this and so I sucked up my pride.
• 1:13:03
  I changed my style and I started doing it and like, within the
• 1:13:07
  last, let's say two or three months.
• 1:13:11
  I've grown significant. I mean, it's small, I'll give it
• 1:13:14
  that. But, you know, I've gone for I
• 1:13:17
  think I was stuck on it for 80 subscribers for for like, at
• 1:13:20
  least three or four months. And now I've gone up to Close to
• 1:13:25
  five hundred and seventy subscribers at this point.
• 1:13:27
  And my goal for the year is 1000 subscribers.
• 1:13:31
  And then the second Channel, I'm trying to get to 100 and the
• 1:13:35
  third Channel, I'm trying to get to 50.
• 1:13:37
  So, I've set those goals for 2020 one, and it's slowly
• 1:13:41
  happening on the main Channel. I very very slowly.
• 1:13:44
  But, you know, it's all about consistency and pushing it.
• 1:13:47
  And like you said these the cta's, I do think that they're
• 1:13:50
  working, like, I'm experimenting a lot.
• 1:13:53
  So with the podcast, I always put the clip at the beginning
• 1:13:57
  and then with the podcast Clips, depending on the length of the
• 1:14:01
  clip is where I put the the promo.
• 1:14:04
  So if it's a really long clip, I'll put it at the beginning.
• 1:14:06
  If it's a really short kit clip, I'll put it straight at the end.
• 1:14:09
  Same with my music videos. I always put the clip at the
• 1:14:12
  end. Like I tried to do it in a way
• 1:14:14
  that makes sense where it's like, okay.
• 1:14:16
  You know, if you're here to watch music, you just want to
• 1:14:18
  see the music straightaway, right?
• 1:14:20
  Yeah, if you want to see a short pause.
• 1:14:24
  Us clip. You want to see the clip, you
• 1:14:25
  don't want to see a promo, but if it's a long clip, let's say
• 1:14:29
  10 minutes makes sense to put it at the beginning.
• 1:14:31
  Same with this full, the full podcast episodes.
• 1:14:34
  And I've also started kind of saying at the end of every
• 1:14:38
  podcast, like, you know, make sure the light shows, subscribe.
• 1:14:42
  I keep telling my audience to do this stuff.
• 1:14:45
  I don't know necessarily if they do it or not, but it's just good
• 1:14:48
  to get into the habit of this. And then once you start to grow
• 1:14:52
  an audience, like I've started to get People who are in my
• 1:14:54
  regular audience, who will sometimes, do what I ask them to
• 1:15:00
  do and are very reactive and do regularly watch the content so
• 1:15:04
  that it I think it is a case of being consistent.
• 1:15:08
  And yeah, like asking not be able to afraid to ask.
• 1:15:11
  I think that's the problem. You can't have that attitude of
• 1:15:14
  oh I shouldn't ask them. No ask them because otherwise
• 1:15:17
  people don't know what you want to do.
• 1:15:18
  They don't know that this is what you're trying to do.
• 1:15:21
  A lot of the times I would go and at mean I can speak From two
• 1:15:24
  points of view, he has, if you and as a Creator, I've like I've
• 1:15:27
  set and I've watched a YouTube video about.
• 1:15:29
  So I've seen it happen a few times where just start watching
• 1:15:32
  a chain of a person's YouTube videos.
• 1:15:34
  I know that this guy is really entertaining and, you know, you
• 1:15:36
  get so into the used to if you enjoy someone.
• 1:15:39
  Yeah, I'm subscribe. But then he did.
• 1:15:40
  Hey, go look if you're subscribed and if you're not
• 1:15:43
  nice girl, don't hey, I'm not. Let me, let me drop this guy a
• 1:15:45
  sub. Yeah, the other hand when I was
• 1:15:47
  dreaming like I was also as like I don't want to tell them to
• 1:15:51
  follow me. That's that's kind of scummy but
• 1:15:53
  I started if I see someone new in my chatter, hey, how's it
• 1:15:56
  going big Wang 69? You know.
• 1:15:58
  Hey, drop your follow my jaw dropping a follow.
• 1:16:00
  If you haven't yet, man. And it just works it, you you
• 1:16:04
  see that? You see it improve.
• 1:16:06
  You see the numbers, get bigger. If you do that and I would say,
• 1:16:10
  I would kill to see a ready, not really, I'm not a murderer, but
• 1:16:14
  I would metaphorically kill to see he do a rate, just see get
• 1:16:18
  some audience interaction for a podcast because that's something
• 1:16:21
  that's a good time. Demoralizing is if If you don't
• 1:16:24
  see any kind of, you know, I'm just going to sound like a weird
• 1:16:28
  way of saying, but proof that there's actually someone out
• 1:16:31
  there listening. And I mean, it's It's Tricky.
• 1:16:36
  The one thing I've noticed, like I, this is now this would be the
• 1:16:39
  69th episode of the podcast, and people people.
• 1:16:43
  Yeah, I know her. Hey, people always ask me like,
• 1:16:46
  oh, how many views have you got? How many subscribers if you got
• 1:16:49
  and then they sort of do that whole?
• 1:16:51
  Oh, okay. Like oh, you know, you don't
• 1:16:53
  have like 10. They don't have 1000 people
• 1:16:56
  listening every time, but the thing is, it's not about the
• 1:17:00
  numbers. It's about consistency, it's
• 1:17:03
  about how regularly are the same people watching, you know, like
• 1:17:07
  it's the thing is right now. I've been concerned that the
• 1:17:11
  fact that like, okay, one episode, let's say there's take
• 1:17:13
  YouTube sometimes one podcast or do 10 views.
• 1:17:16
  The next one or do 50 right. That to me is not good.
• 1:17:19
  That's a problem because it's like okay there's a bit of
• 1:17:23
  interest in This one because that person shed it to the
• 1:17:26
  audience, right? Or maybe it's a topic that's
• 1:17:28
  interesting. Then the next one comes and
• 1:17:30
  people aren't interested as much.
• 1:17:32
  And I'm trying to look at that community and go.
• 1:17:35
  I'm trying to build a community that will tune in every time
• 1:17:39
  because it's more about building the brand, it's not about trying
• 1:17:41
  to, you know, appeal to certain subjects.
• 1:17:44
  Like it's good to sort of throw stuff out there, experiment, try
• 1:17:48
  things. But, you know, the main thing
• 1:17:51
  you should be focusing on is building that.
• 1:17:53
  Brand building a community of people that will regularly come
• 1:17:56
  to see you and we'll listen to anything excuse me that you do
• 1:18:00
  because they are interested in you specifically.
• 1:18:03
  Yeah. It's something like, oh wow.
• 1:18:06
  Sorry I just went on to our podcast because I wanted to
• 1:18:09
  check if the theory that I have a lot of it is naming your
• 1:18:14
  episodes. Like what you like because he
• 1:18:16
  think names and thumbnails people underestimate how
• 1:18:19
  important that is. Yeah, because that's the first
• 1:18:22
  thing that someone sees that's why I always Try and get to like
• 1:18:25
  something is something that it's at least an interesting name for
• 1:18:29
  an episode. That's why I like when we name
• 1:18:31
  it we always try and get something decent.
• 1:18:33
  Oddly something attention-grabbing so that
• 1:18:36
  because that's what would compel someone to click if they just
• 1:18:39
  see, they know 50 podcast in the recommends.
• 1:18:42
  I need to make sure that ours Stand Out. - the name is name,
• 1:18:46
  the name is attention-grabbing. It's okay.
• 1:18:48
  Listen. Yes, II.
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  See this thing called alien solar passwords, I'm gonna click
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  on it, that's Sounds that sounds cool or I'm you know he's yeah
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  it's that's why I like, oh sorry, I'm seeing eye, pisode
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  idols. And looking back, they all make
• 1:19:06
  me, you know, disappointed in myself that that we thought of
• 1:19:11
  them. But on the other hand, I I love
• 1:19:13
  them a lot. I think it, I think it's a very
• 1:19:16
  good point. He touching you, I've had this
• 1:19:17
  conversation with many of my friends online and, you know, I
• 1:19:23
  think I can make a case for it for either of them, you know,
• 1:19:26
  like I always keep my podcast titles, conventional that they
• 1:19:31
  just have the podcast, the number, the person, just because
• 1:19:35
  I like it that way. I know that I could, I did try
• 1:19:38
  when the very beginning having like okay still Xeon and then I
• 1:19:44
  would list all the topics but I just felt like it was less
• 1:19:46
  effective and I just didn't like it.
• 1:19:49
  So instead I put all that information in the descriptions
• 1:19:52
  of episode and I experiment with hashtags and video tags and so
• 1:19:57
  on and so on, right? Because my main thing is that
• 1:20:01
  the podcast should be the draw, like the people, you know,
• 1:20:05
  eventually we'll get into the idea of our, the Christian rude
• 1:20:08
  podcast. I need to tune into that.
• 1:20:09
  That's something I need to tune into this is, you know what I
• 1:20:12
  mean? So that's why I do it in that
• 1:20:13
  way. It's intended for that audience
• 1:20:15
  but I totally understand where the podcast like yourself, like
• 1:20:19
  the one that you've got, the draw is the titles.
• 1:20:21
  The topics like that's going to draw the People in and I think
• 1:20:25
  there's just different strategies to this thing and I'd
• 1:20:28
  like to eventually have like a consistent Port, like be able to
• 1:20:31
  read and recognize a name in the comments, you know, see how that
• 1:20:34
  that person has been here for like forever?
• 1:20:36
  Like right, here we go but but I'm glad you know, it's
• 1:20:38
  sometimes you just need to either.
• 1:20:41
  I mean, the point of our podcast is being, you know, it's a, it's
• 1:20:44
  a comedy podcast. It's supposed to be about
• 1:20:46
  outlandish, so but I completely understand the, your perspective
• 1:20:49
  of the, you know, trying to, you know, build that basically build
• 1:20:52
  the brand, people need to look and see.
• 1:20:53
  Oh yeah. Yeah, this I know this podcast
• 1:20:55
  just by looking at it but here's the thing.
• 1:20:57
  Like to your point before the thing that I really spend a lot
• 1:21:02
  of time on, is that information that's provided to give people a
• 1:21:05
  reason to like why to check it out and the thumbnails.
• 1:21:09
  So two things that I really do all the time as I try to come up
• 1:21:14
  with like funny sort of thumbnails for Clips, funny
• 1:21:18
  images that are connected to the to the clips and subjects and
• 1:21:22
  stuff for the In episode the main podcast videos I will, you
• 1:21:30
  know, include either, you know, video still of that person plus
• 1:21:35
  something connected to them, or just cool images of them from
• 1:21:39
  Instagram. So to give an example.
• 1:21:41
  My previous guest Chris Watters is, is a guy that has a business
• 1:21:47
  that does like treasure hunts and scavenger hunts for adults,
• 1:21:50
  right? So I had a still of him from the
• 1:21:52
  video. And he had like a really cool
• 1:21:55
  background of all the stuff that he uses all the props in the
• 1:21:57
  background and then the image to the left is like something that
• 1:22:00
  he's designed some sort of like you know parchment or something
• 1:22:05
  like that and I put that all together and then at the bottom
• 1:22:07
  it's got the name podcast, episode number, all of that
• 1:22:12
  stuff. So it's like an interesting
• 1:22:13
  engaging thing and it's like all maybe I want to check this out
• 1:22:17
  because that guy looks interesting and the same with
• 1:22:20
  Spotify or I use anchors the Platform.
• 1:22:24
  But I started uploading thumbnail images, which is
• 1:22:27
  something that you should do. If you have a podcast by the
• 1:22:29
  way, try to have creative thumbnail images, both for new
• 1:22:34
  listeners and current listeners because it gives people sort of
• 1:22:39
  a reason to click because the, you know, the images are
• 1:22:42
  different and there's different topics and stuff.
• 1:22:43
  So there's more of a draw like every episode is different.
• 1:22:47
  It's basic stuff. But like yeah I totally agree
• 1:22:50
  with you like you've got to either because there's different
• 1:22:53
  Aunt people on different sides of the fence.
• 1:22:57
  Wow, I'm terrible words today. I do apologize problem, it's not
• 1:23:01
  normally my problem but today is so there's two arguments in the
• 1:23:06
  content creator Community like our titles more important or our
• 1:23:10
  images more important and I think both are important
• 1:23:13
  obviously, but I think it depends for individual creators
• 1:23:17
  sometimes one or the other is more important.
• 1:23:22
  I think just naturally on Yeah, like the thumbnails are always
• 1:23:26
  going to be the draw but to be honest, a lot of my favorite
• 1:23:29
  YouTubers, I'll see that the title, and I'm more interested
• 1:23:33
  in that. And if anything, the thumbnails
• 1:23:35
  irritate me because it's just some generic picture of them
• 1:23:37
  going where they've just taken a picture of themselves doing
• 1:23:40
  that, some shocked face and stuff and it's mostly just click
• 1:23:44
  bait. So you have to know the Creator
• 1:23:46
  to know if it's genuine or just click bait.
• 1:23:48
  Bullshit. Yeah, but you know, I think you
• 1:23:51
  can make a fair case for both To be honest.
• 1:23:54
  And I think it's something that all content creators should be
• 1:23:56
  paying attention to, you know, like I said, I've had a bit of a
• 1:23:59
  turnaround. I used to be very stubborn with
• 1:24:01
  these things. Now, I try as much as I can, you
• 1:24:04
  know, I'm not a designer by any means, but I try to make the
• 1:24:07
  thumbnails as good as possible and I always try to experiment,
• 1:24:10
  like I told you before with the clips and where I put them,
• 1:24:14
  that's mostly for experimentation and because I'm
• 1:24:16
  trying to kind of maximize where I think people are most likely
• 1:24:22
  to, you know, That and then acts on that call to action, you
• 1:24:28
  know, like I think for example, if I were to put those subscribe
• 1:24:32
  promos at the beginning of a music video, I think that's
• 1:24:35
  going to cause more people to click off then to click on.
• 1:24:41
  But if it's me and then they will really listen to the song
• 1:24:43
  they've enjoyed it and then they can make the decision, they do.
• 1:24:47
  You want to see more of a say exactly?
• 1:24:50
  Moving it forward. So you occasionally, I'm on
• 1:24:54
  Twitch. When will you be streaming to
• 1:24:55
  get in the future? Perhaps, maybe you thinking of
• 1:24:59
  doing like a live podcast episode, like what the plans for
• 1:25:02
  twitch with you? I've been I have been thinking
• 1:25:06
  about starting doing your podcast live but on the other
• 1:25:09
  hand, that's something on the oven, like it's something that
• 1:25:12
  you need to think about because I've seen a lot of people do
• 1:25:15
  like, patreon tears where you can listen in live instead.
• 1:25:18
  Yeah, you know, you need to it, we need to balance.
• 1:25:20
  Okay, how do I want to future-proof the podcast?
• 1:25:23
  Case it gets big so it can, you know, Act of more.
• 1:25:26
  It's like an Ever bigger reward for someone who chooses to
• 1:25:29
  support on patreon or do I want to try it now and see if that
• 1:25:33
  gets more. But I plan to, I've, I've
• 1:25:37
  stopped dreaming a little bit for a while now, as I started
• 1:25:41
  getting some other things in order.
• 1:25:42
  But I plan to start, pick it up again and start going back at it
• 1:25:46
  again. Added at decent Force soon like
• 1:25:49
  you within the next week or so I took a trip that's like I'm As I
• 1:25:53
  said before we started, I took a trip this weekend and it's given
• 1:25:57
  me back a lot of my motivation. Like I saw some old friends you
• 1:26:00
  know, it gave me back a lot of motivation but with the fit back
• 1:26:04
  in my steps, I want to, I'm going to I've already planned a
• 1:26:07
  few stuff for YouTube as well. Like I have some things in the
• 1:26:13
  works now that if my motivation just holds because that's
• 1:26:16
  something that's a lot of people.
• 1:26:19
  I know struggle with it too. It's just you know keeping the
• 1:26:21
  motivation up and keeping it, right?
• 1:26:24
  As long as I can keep that motivation and drive.
• 1:26:26
  I'm going to start screaming again within the week that
• 1:26:28
  within a week. Not in this, maybe not in this
• 1:26:31
  week but baby, I'm saying within the week.
• 1:26:33
  I'm going to start streaming again.
• 1:26:34
  Within got one of these, get these YouTube things started.
• 1:26:38
  I'm still working on some scripts and then I need to edit
• 1:26:40
  it which I've tried to make a bit more higher end on time.
• 1:26:45
  So I'm it's not going to be you know like on the best level but
• 1:26:49
  I want to make decent content as well as the trash that I usually
• 1:26:52
  throw on my channel. Oh, there's a good one, which is
• 1:26:56
  objectively garbage. But I bet it's still great and I
• 1:26:59
  love it. Now, I think like over time,
• 1:27:02
  these things get like perfected. Anyway, like I've decided to
• 1:27:06
  upload Less on my main Channel now and I'm going to take more
• 1:27:10
  breaks. I'm going to kind of, because
• 1:27:12
  I've been uploading pretty much every yeah.
• 1:27:15
  Every single day for like Six to eight months at this point and
• 1:27:20
  I've seen a lot online about how that's ineffective both for
• 1:27:24
  streaming and for YouTube. I think it depends on the
• 1:27:26
  Creator but there's a lot of content that I've produced now
• 1:27:30
  which I think needs breathing space and I don't think it's
• 1:27:36
  necessary to stream everyday and upload every single day.
• 1:27:40
  And I think that if anything, that can actually be harmful for
• 1:27:44
  your channel by doing that, So I think that, you know, is worth
• 1:27:50
  taking that time, perfecting that content perfect in those
• 1:27:52
  streams and doing them like now. And again, like for instance
• 1:27:55
  with me and streaming. I do this thing now where I
• 1:27:58
  stream on Via restream on YouTube twitch and D live at the
• 1:28:03
  same time and I do it sort of like every week or every two
• 1:28:06
  weeks, as I sort of like an AMA / discussion thing, and it can
• 1:28:10
  go up to like three hours sometimes and that does really
• 1:28:13
  well. It does good numbers for me, but
• 1:28:15
  the key is that I don't do it often.
• 1:28:17
  Often. And it's like one of the only
• 1:28:20
  opportunities for my audience to interact with me in real time.
• 1:28:25
  Because before I was doing all the time, streaming, like every
• 1:28:27
  single day and I sort of realized that the fact that I do
• 1:28:30
  this. So often means that like there's
• 1:28:34
  less incentive for people to actually drop in.
• 1:28:37
  Whereas, if it's not often, there's more incentive for
• 1:28:40
  people to drop in this is basic supply and demand.
• 1:28:42
  It's blowing around if you give too much Supply to to little the
• 1:28:45
  man, they'll get bored. But anyway, It's a balance
• 1:28:48
  because we give too little Supply will move onto that thing
• 1:28:50
  that if you've just enough Supply to keep them interested,
• 1:28:53
  then you'll keep getting the numbers.
• 1:28:56
  Absolutely. And I have a question, have you
• 1:28:58
  ever thought about two new branching out to other other
• 1:29:01
  types of media? Like the biggest one I can think
• 1:29:03
  of right now is gaming, for example.
• 1:29:06
  Yeah, I just don't have the money to do gaming.
• 1:29:08
  I've done retro-gaming, it's not the only thing I can do, but I
• 1:29:12
  just don't have the money to do it.
• 1:29:14
  Unfortunately, I would love to, but yeah.
• 1:29:17
  Yeah, just don't have the money, that's something like that.
• 1:29:20
  Piracy not that I would have it. You it pirate.
• 1:29:23
  It's not even that date, like, I would need a gaming PC, or we
• 1:29:26
  need a proper television. I would need a lot of different
• 1:29:29
  things, like it's not just the games early.
• 1:29:32
  I mean, do I really? I really would dude?
• 1:29:34
  Like honestly think like the biggest, the biggest game on the
• 1:29:38
  on in the world right now. Well, maybe on a more boats for
• 1:29:41
  a while was Minecraft, and that doesn't really need about doing
• 1:29:45
  it to trust with my game. My game con, So my PC can't even
• 1:29:49
  handle current games. Like okay, for example, I tried
• 1:29:52
  to do among us while on Twitch, I tried to like play the game
• 1:30:00
  stream it, right? And that just completely fucked
• 1:30:03
  up like I just it went super slow, it didn't work.
• 1:30:06
  Like I just can't do that, I can't do more than games with my
• 1:30:09
  current setup and I've just learned to accept it and, you
• 1:30:13
  know, one day I will be able to do these things.
• 1:30:15
  And I've said this to my audience, like every Every time
• 1:30:18
  they ask me like why don't you do this, why don't you get, you
• 1:30:20
  know, improve this equipment like blah blah blah.
• 1:30:23
  I'm like one day I will when I have that money when I'm
• 1:30:25
  learning from this. I will always reinvest it as I
• 1:30:28
  have done already. You know?
• 1:30:30
  These headphones were a gift from a viewer.
• 1:30:34
  Shout-out to Kirk my main man SoCal.
• 1:30:38
  This microphone here was a donation from steel Z, fellow
• 1:30:43
  twitch streamer, so it's like, it does happen from time to
• 1:30:46
  time. But it's a gradual thing.
• 1:30:49
  It takes time. One day I will be doing this but
• 1:30:51
  right now it's just not possible.
• 1:30:54
  Yeah I understand and it goes I might bump my main content was
• 1:30:59
  gaming like if I streamed on Twitch it was for games and I'm
• 1:31:02
  fortunate that mean she's a bit old but I have my own who I
• 1:31:08
  should be very careful that much my rig you know she's still
• 1:31:11
  going. Yeah and and she so computers
• 1:31:15
  off him and and that's that's it.
• 1:31:17
  Okay, that's I mean I was drilled into me.
• 1:31:20
  Um, yeah, she treats me, well, she still working, I want I've
• 1:31:23
  got I plan to upgrade but because all of my parts are so
• 1:31:27
  old and because it's a desktop at this point, if I want to
• 1:31:30
  upgrade one thing, I need to replace everything and it's
• 1:31:33
  going to cost around somewhere between 5,000 and 7,000 US
• 1:31:37
  dollars to replace everything with it with good parts.
• 1:31:41
  And I don't want to buy a low-end rig.
• 1:31:43
  I want to buy something that if I buy it.
• 1:31:45
  Now it's going to last me for five or six.
• 1:31:47
  Six years. So don't have to worry about it
• 1:31:49
  again. But now I need to save up all
• 1:31:52
  that money which is easier said than done.
• 1:31:58
  I think that's the key, isn't it?
• 1:31:59
  Is believing like I've had that shift recently where I've
• 1:32:02
  started to believe and you know, something funny actually which I
• 1:32:06
  wanna throw out right now which I think is relevant to what
• 1:32:10
  we're talking about there. I had a hater on Tik-Tok the
• 1:32:13
  other day and this isn't really to do with the hate aspect, I
• 1:32:18
  just found it interesting because This person was getting
• 1:32:22
  annoyed, you know, they were saying all your trash, or this
• 1:32:25
  your that right? And I found it funny.
• 1:32:27
  I was posting about it online, I was just having fun with it,
• 1:32:29
  right? And they gave up like they
• 1:32:32
  haven't actually messaged in the past two days and they've been
• 1:32:35
  like frantically going on. Like I had like 35 take comments
• 1:32:39
  on from them on one video and I said to them I several times I
• 1:32:42
  was like why are you so obsessed?
• 1:32:44
  Like why why do you care? You know if you don't like what
• 1:32:47
  I do just don't watch. Like I don't understand, they
• 1:32:50
  were They literally said they were trying to get a rise out of
• 1:32:53
  me and they said it's working. I was like, well, you just don't
• 1:32:56
  understand me then because I'm just I'm laughing at you.
• 1:33:01
  But that seems to be love haters like, right so much because it's
• 1:33:04
  just fun to because it's like, if I get a somebody then I mean,
• 1:33:07
  I haven't really gotten any in the creative space, but just I
• 1:33:10
  arrived nephew and I always try to challenge them because I was
• 1:33:14
  bullied when I was younger and that I'm, it's yeah, it sucks.
• 1:33:17
  But I'm glad it happened. Because my, my roast game is on
• 1:33:20
  Points. So I always try to challenge
• 1:33:23
  them because I know and the best thing is he done?
• 1:33:25
  Tried and drop them. You let them finish whatever
• 1:33:27
  they trying to say and then you clap back and within not you
• 1:33:29
  need to make sure that they're just the first one is with
• 1:33:31
  enough Force to destroy them and as long as you can do that,
• 1:33:35
  don't get eaten. That's advice.
• 1:33:37
  Don't ever get angry at a hater to anyone don't ever because
• 1:33:41
  they didn't do anything they want.
• 1:33:42
  I didn't really want to focus on the hate aspect.
• 1:33:44
  The reason that I brought it up was that like, I'm sorry this.
• 1:33:47
  No. No.
• 1:33:48
  But like I understand like It's something that all of us content
• 1:33:52
  creators deal with, it's just one of those things and that's
• 1:33:55
  what I mean. Like I didn't bring it up like
• 1:33:56
  to talk about it because at the end of the day like yeah we all
• 1:33:59
  get haters. So what the reason that I'm
• 1:34:01
  bringing it up is that you know if there's apathy in your in
• 1:34:06
  your content creation, you know? Like that's no one cares, that's
• 1:34:10
  the worst thing. So having haters suggests that
• 1:34:13
  you're actually doing something right, because you're actually
• 1:34:15
  getting a response from people and that's why I found this
• 1:34:18
  particular hater interesting because They kept, every time I
• 1:34:22
  kept releasing a new video, they kept throwing the hate, and I
• 1:34:25
  was like, so, this person wants me to stop essentially, but I'm
• 1:34:28
  not stopping and therefore, that bothers them and it just it.
• 1:34:33
  If I found that really interesting and I use them in
• 1:34:37
  order to create content, like I got content ideas from that
• 1:34:42
  exchange, and it makes me wonder about just in general.
• 1:34:46
  When you're chasing these goals, a lot of you get a lot of hate.
• 1:34:50
  Because when people see that you're actually doing well, that
• 1:34:55
  you're being creative, people reacting positively glow.
• 1:34:58
  Like a lot of people that comment on my Tick Tock videos,
• 1:35:01
  are being really positive. Like, you know, I really like
• 1:35:04
  this song, well done Bob lot, right?
• 1:35:07
  And you know, I do this for fun, like I do this because I want to
• 1:35:11
  get somewhere with it. You know, I want podcast to do
• 1:35:13
  well, I want my content creating to become my job basically, but
• 1:35:19
  I do do this. For enjoyment for fun.
• 1:35:22
  And I think the more that you do that and the longer that you do
• 1:35:27
  this, the more refined that your content becomes.
• 1:35:30
  Like, if you go back and you watch the First episodes of the
• 1:35:32
  podcast, I wouldn't say it was totally bad, because I had some
• 1:35:36
  podcasting experience before, but I wasn't as confident.
• 1:35:40
  For example, interviewing people as I am.
• 1:35:42
  Now, I wasn't as confident carrying a conversation for an
• 1:35:45
  hour. Two hours, three hours as I am
• 1:35:47
  now it's just time. It's just practice constantly.
• 1:35:50
  Just doing doing doing doing doing and through that time, you
• 1:35:54
  figure certain things out, you think I like, oh, I can tweak
• 1:35:57
  this and it'll be better. I can do this and I'll be
• 1:35:59
  better. I can try this content and it
• 1:36:00
  will be good. Like, for instance comedy, I've
• 1:36:03
  never considered myself particularly funny and I still
• 1:36:06
  don't, but I have posted some sort of Comedy clips here and
• 1:36:10
  there and people have responded well to it.
• 1:36:13
  And I thought, okay, so this is another Avenue for me.
• 1:36:16
  Potentially, you know, if an idea comes, it's something I can
• 1:36:19
  try and that's basically it Why I brought the hater thing?
• 1:36:22
  I think it's from whatever fate feedback you're getting good or
• 1:36:27
  bad. It rep it suggests that you
• 1:36:29
  should keep going, keep trying because you're going to go far
• 1:36:32
  with it. Basically.
• 1:36:33
  I mean any publicity is good publicity as they say I was
• 1:36:37
  exactly true. But I mean in this case.
• 1:36:38
  Yeah you need the FAA to use them.
• 1:36:41
  Yeah no I actually it's out of them.
• 1:36:43
  I made a made a hate video where I basically just mock them, not
• 1:36:47
  them specifically, but it was that my response to haters or
• 1:36:50
  something. And I've been waiting for the
• 1:36:52
  past, like, two days for this person to comment I'm like, wow.
• 1:36:55
  Like I'm always tempted to tag them in the video and be like,
• 1:36:58
  hey, I made a little video for you.
• 1:37:01
  I just can't, I can't be bothered anyway.
• 1:37:05
  Yeah, I want to ask you a bit more of a serious question.
• 1:37:11
  What's the biggest life lesson? You've learned so far?
• 1:37:16
  Um, I've visited something. There's something that I've
• 1:37:20
  answered a few times. It's something I've do things
• 1:37:24
  that I've learned from my late grandfather is one thing.
• 1:37:29
  Is you miss all the shots, you don't take, you know, it's it,
• 1:37:33
  you can't win by not trying, you know, whenever there's a bit of
• 1:37:37
  Eliza gave me is if you ever stuck with the decision and it's
• 1:37:41
  of it's like both outcomes either equally good or equally
• 1:37:45
  bad. That was the one that's going to
• 1:37:47
  leave with the base story to tell because in the end that's
• 1:37:51
  what you're doing. You'll make every choice you
• 1:37:52
  make you making some more memories, you know.
• 1:37:54
  So they try and get one if you can if both have equal weight
• 1:37:59
  and you can't decide him to do choose one for this story.
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  And the second one is you don't make rum and Coke without lemon
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  in it. Those are the two pieces of Life
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  advice. He left me with and I'm not a
• 1:38:11
  big drinker but I have to agree with him and yeah, it's just
• 1:38:15
  it's just the Nothing is, yeah, there's actually a lot, another
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  think about it. That's the biggest one.
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  You can't delete your, you know, your indecisiveness paralyzer.
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  You need to learn to make decisions and I say this because
• 1:38:30
  I'm a very indecisive person but in the end you're either going
• 1:38:34
  to miss out or you if you don't make the choice, you will miss
• 1:38:38
  out and don't be afraid to make the big choices to make to take
• 1:38:43
  the leap, you know, because what's the worst that can Let's
• 1:38:46
  say, use the classic example. Don't be afraid to ask a girl
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  out. The worst that can happen is
• 1:38:50
  rejection and every single person on the planet has been
• 1:38:54
  rejected and they've gotten over it.
• 1:38:57
  I've been rejected, I don't want to make assumptions but I assume
• 1:38:59
  you've been rejected so many times many times.
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  It's, it's something, it's something happens and, yeah, it
• 1:39:05
  sucks for like a week and then you get over it.
• 1:39:07
  You know, you can you go for a pint of the boys and then you
• 1:39:10
  move on. You find the next gold to
• 1:39:12
  reject, you know, you can you repeat that side?
• 1:39:16
  Go, you repeat that cycle because because he's everything
• 1:39:20
  I've talked with someone before and they, they told me that they
• 1:39:25
  are lonely, you know? They, they they feel they need,
• 1:39:29
  they really want, companionship know, here is the thing about
• 1:39:32
  the afraid to go and approach. Someone you're never going to
• 1:39:37
  meet someone. If you don't take that first
• 1:39:39
  step, you're never going to be able to talk to attend to get a
• 1:39:42
  girlfriend. If you don't ask, if you don't
• 1:39:44
  ask out, if you did, Is it then say yes, I want to be with this
• 1:39:47
  girl but you know I'm afraid to ask God because it might get
• 1:39:49
  rejected. So let's we've all been
• 1:39:51
  rejected. That's life.
• 1:39:52
  You can tell people one day. Yes, this go rejected this shit
• 1:39:56
  out of me when I was young. I want to chime in on this real
• 1:39:58
  quick because it's actually relevant to my life right now.
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  So I've been single now for like, two or three years,
• 1:40:05
  something like that and that points, you know, especially
• 1:40:07
  because of lockdown, I felt very lonely and like, oh, maybe I'm
• 1:40:11
  gonna die alone and Bool this crap, right?
• 1:40:14
  But it's just nonsense at the end of the The most important
• 1:40:18
  thing I think above all not just you know, chatting to girls and
• 1:40:23
  make, you know, reaching out. I think it's also really
• 1:40:27
  essential to make sure you're actually happy in your own life
• 1:40:31
  and like so many people both girls that have rejected me have
• 1:40:35
  said this to me, friends, family, you name it, have always
• 1:40:39
  said, the same thing which is or when you least expect it, when
• 1:40:42
  you're not looking, that's when, you know, someone will.
• 1:40:45
  Come, right? And first, I kind of scoffed at
• 1:40:48
  that and as I go, yeah, yeah, whatever you know.
• 1:40:51
  It's never going to happen for me.
• 1:40:52
  I'm going to die alone, but I've actually realized I was going on
• 1:40:57
  a walk the other day just like a morning walk that I was gone and
• 1:41:01
  I was just in that moment. I was just so happy and I was
• 1:41:06
  like, you know what, I don't need someone to be happy, like
• 1:41:09
  it would be nice but I don't need it anymore.
• 1:41:12
  I felt for so many years for so long.
• 1:41:14
  I felt like I needed another Person to be happy, but I don't,
• 1:41:18
  I can live without this. And that is what you need.
• 1:41:23
  That's what you need to Aspire to get, to that point because
• 1:41:25
  that's when you become most attractive to people because
• 1:41:28
  Suddenly It's reverse psychology, and when you're not
• 1:41:32
  looking, you get it. It's like everything else.
• 1:41:34
  It's like, okay. Yeah, sure.
• 1:41:36
  I want to be rich and famous, and money and all this crap,
• 1:41:38
  right? But if you're frantically trying
• 1:41:40
  to get it, you're not going to get it.
• 1:41:42
  But if you're like, okay, yeah, I'll take them leave it.
• 1:41:45
  Yeah, I'll work. Work towards it that.
• 1:41:46
  Yeah. You have to work towards, you
• 1:41:48
  have to put the steps in place, but then you sit back and relax
• 1:41:51
  and just enjoy life, and things will happen.
• 1:41:54
  Manifestation be happy, focus on getting happy and the people
• 1:42:00
  will come to you. Whether it's boys, girls,
• 1:42:01
  whatever you're into. That will come to you but you
• 1:42:04
  need to focus on yourself. First and foremost, make sure
• 1:42:08
  you're happy and everything else for cynical when I say people
• 1:42:12
  call me cynical and I said I'm going to die alone but they must
• 1:42:14
  understand what I mean. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna die
• 1:42:17
  alone. I don't mean.
• 1:42:18
  I know I'm sad. I'm never gonna find some.
• 1:42:20
  I mean, I don't need someone. I've, if I die alone, I'll be
• 1:42:24
  happy. I've learned to live with myself
• 1:42:26
  and be happy with the person that I am.
• 1:42:28
  If I find a girlfriend, you know what?
• 1:42:30
  That's that'll be. That'll be awesome.
• 1:42:32
  But they don't. I'm not, I'll I'm not gonna say
• 1:42:35
  no to that, but, you know, if I don't need it, you know, I can
• 1:42:38
  live my life with myself and be happy because it's something
• 1:42:43
  that people lack, it's being the ability.
• 1:42:45
  To be happy with just themselves.
• 1:42:48
  That's key. And I think many people are
• 1:42:50
  actually discovering that right now.
• 1:42:51
  The low, I see loads of single people going like, oh, it's
• 1:42:54
  terrible, just terrible. And I feel for them because, you
• 1:42:57
  know, I've, I've been there, I felt that.
• 1:42:59
  But like, now I'm at the point where I don't feel like that
• 1:43:01
  anymore, like I actually feel genuinely happy and I think it's
• 1:43:05
  yes. Because of that realization.
• 1:43:07
  It's because, you know what? Yeah, I like myself.
• 1:43:09
  I like, who I am? I like that.
• 1:43:12
  I'm constantly working myself to get better and I can be happy.
• 1:43:15
  The without having to have people around me.
• 1:43:19
  You know, it's amazing, amazing feeling when you get to that
• 1:43:23
  point and I think a lot of people need to be working
• 1:43:25
  towards that. Like once you, once you get that
• 1:43:28
  it's like a feeling of almost like Liberation in a sense it's
• 1:43:32
  like, ah okay it's good. Life is good.
• 1:43:35
  I'm happy and like, you know, when you're happy, people people
• 1:43:40
  want to be around you. When you're miserable, no one
• 1:43:42
  wants to be around you. So, same reason that when you
• 1:43:44
  break up with someone, And you're miserable suddenly like
• 1:43:47
  no one's around. No one gives a shit about your
• 1:43:49
  problems because you know, people don't want to be
• 1:43:52
  surrounded by negativity. They want positivity.
• 1:43:54
  As fucked as it sounds, you might have a few genuine friends
• 1:43:57
  that will actually care and be there for you, but most people
• 1:44:00
  won't care and you shouldn't hold that against them.
• 1:44:02
  It's just they probably have their own shit to deal with and
• 1:44:05
  they just don't want to deal with your shit and be brought
• 1:44:07
  down further as harsh as it sounds, but it's the truth and
• 1:44:12
  anyway, that's just how people on.
• 1:44:14
  Yeah. And as we draw things to a close
• 1:44:17
  for today, do you have any sort of final thoughts or upcoming
• 1:44:20
  projects? You'd like to share with us?
• 1:44:25
  I feel like if I say if I actually say, hey, this is what
• 1:44:28
  I'm working on now. Then I'm going to be locked in
• 1:44:30
  and I'm not gonna have a choice, but gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
• 1:44:34
  throw some stuff onto YouTube. I'm gonna start making nice
• 1:44:38
  stuff. I'm gonna start screaming again
• 1:44:39
  because that's there's things that I want to do.
• 1:44:41
  I'm going to finish this fucking story even if it kills me.
• 1:44:46
  I've been working on this thing for two years now and it's
• 1:44:49
  honestly, it's been too long. It, I need to finish it.
• 1:44:53
  I have had two, I've taken way too many breaks, there's only
• 1:44:56
  one break that is Justified, and that's when my grandfather
• 1:44:59
  passed, the rest of them are just me being lazy.
• 1:45:02
  So I'm going to stop doing that. I'm gonna finish it.
• 1:45:06
  I'm gonna I'm gonna try and get it published.
• 1:45:08
  I'm gonna fail at it and I'm going to write the next story.
• 1:45:11
  That's the that and I'm gonna I'm gonna get my degree this
• 1:45:15
  year. That's that's the plan of action
• 1:45:16
  for this year. You'll do it.
• 1:45:18
  My friend absolutely. My best of luck to you.
• 1:45:21
  I really wish you the best. And I just want to say a
• 1:45:24
  massive, thank you for appearing on the show.
• 1:45:26
  It's been an absolute pleasure talking to you perfectly.
• 1:45:30
  Ya know, you're always welcome on the show again and I just
• 1:45:34
  want to say to the audience of the Christian re podcast.
• 1:45:37
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• 1:46:00
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• 1:46:03
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• 1:46:06
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• 1:46:10
  listening to the podcast and until next time peace out.
• 1:46:13
  One love I see you in the next one.