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Your Enneagram Coach | a conversation with Beth McCord · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: Hi friends, welcome back to the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you are new here, we are so glad you joined us.
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SPEAKER_00: Ashley Pittman and I are your hosts of the Simply Wholehearted Podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: And we believe we are all on a journey to live out the call to love the Lord with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength.
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SPEAKER_00: Our mission is to inspire and equip you to live an unplugged, purposeful, and intentional life.
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SPEAKER_00: I have been so looking forward to sharing this conversation with you for a couple months now.
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SPEAKER_00: Last year I spent a lot of my free time reading some books and listening to podcasts to better understand the Enneagram and to try to figure out my number.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you've never heard the word before, it does sound a little strange.
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SPEAKER_00: And some folks might be leery of the diagrams they see floating around out there, with which explains the Enneagram numbers.
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SPEAKER_00: But there is so much I can't wait to tell you about in order to convince you to check it out for yourself.
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SPEAKER_00: Instead of trying to do that, I'm going to try really hard to keep this intro brief so you can hear all about it from an expert.
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SPEAKER_00: Our expert today, our guest, Beth McCord, is also known as your Enneagram coach.
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SPEAKER_00: She has numerous tools and resources to help you on your Enneagram journey.
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SPEAKER_00: I promise this is not just another personality profile.
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SPEAKER_00: The Enneagram is truly a map for self-discovery and personal growth.
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SPEAKER_00: It clearly and accurately describes why you think, feel, and behave in a particular way because of your core fears, desires, and weaknesses.
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SPEAKER_00: Beth even helps us identify what our heart longs to hear.
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SPEAKER_00: How many of us really want to understand this better and understand our loved ones better in the process?
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SPEAKER_00: She shared so much information and valuable time in giving us an overview of each Aneagram number.
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SPEAKER_00: It was really amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: But it also took us a couple of hours and a few pattery changes on my recorder.
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SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna break this up into two separate podcasts.
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SPEAKER_00: Today is February 1st, the day we are releasing part one.
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SPEAKER_00: So next week on February 8th, we will release part two.
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SPEAKER_00: But I warn you, we didn't get through all the numbers today.
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SPEAKER_00: So if we didn't cover your number or none of the numbers we talked about resonated with you, I have another option for you.
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SPEAKER_00: And you can become a VIP.
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SPEAKER_00: It's totally free.
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SPEAKER_00: All you need to do is follow the links in the show notes, and we'll send you a link to the second podcast before it's available to everyone else.
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SPEAKER_00: Beth has created several online courses which go more in depth on the Enneagram and even personal coaching to help you identify your number.
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SPEAKER_00: I honestly really struggle to try to figure out my number, partially because over time I've developed some really strong wings, and that term will make more sense as you listen.
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SPEAKER_00: And because some of the elements about my number sort of made me mad.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll explain a little bit more about this at the end of the podcast releasing next week.
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SPEAKER_00: But one thing both Ashley and I decided to do was take our entry-level course to go through it ourselves.
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SPEAKER_00: And I made my family sit down on my birthday to go through the speedy shortened version so I could better our communication and connection.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm really glad we did, and we've continued to have lots of meaningful conversation about our discoveries.
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SPEAKER_00: Beth has also kindly offered my friends, you guys, a limited time discount to do this course for yourselves.
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SPEAKER_00: All you need to do is type in simply, all caps at checkout, and you'll get 25% off either the Discovering You course or the Exploring You course, which also includes Discovering You.
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SPEAKER_00: Remember, the beauty of the Enneagram is that it's not about putting you in a box, but rather to free you to be the best version of who God created you to be.
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SPEAKER_00: Now here's our conversation with Beth McCord.
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SPEAKER_01: Listen, I'm so excited to meet you.
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SPEAKER_01: I've been following you on Instagram for a long time.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I'm a fan and Enneagram learner.
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SPEAKER_00: Ashley and I are totally geeking out because we're so excited.
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SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be so much fun to talk about all things Aneagram.
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SPEAKER_00: But um, and Beth, you're known as your Enneagram coach online, and um so many, you know, that's kind of your handle, and we're gonna be talking about that, but you have kind of a fascinating career history and would love for you to share a little bit about that and then tell us how you got started with your your Enneagram coach and the world of all things Enneagram.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, I I'd love to.
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SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, so to kind of know well, first of all, I have a cold.
5:17
SPEAKER_04: So for those out there that are not used to my lower voice, that's what's going on.
5:24
SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, but um, yeah, so what's really interesting is um how God prepared me to doing what I'm doing today.
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SPEAKER_04: It's actually quite funny.
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SPEAKER_04: I was just talking about this with my brother actually yesterday.
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SPEAKER_04: Um I uh so I'll go back to what was funny, but I will say my um associate's degree was in sign language interpreting.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh interesting.
5:49
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
5:49
SPEAKER_04: And then my husband and I were uh missionaries with the navigators for several years.
5:54
SPEAKER_04: Oh, awesome.
5:56
SPEAKER_04: And then um he was associate pastor for and still is, he's an executive pastor right now.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, and so really I was a stay-at-home mom and a pastor's wife for years, yeah, um, really focusing on raising my kids.
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SPEAKER_04: And it was during that time that I got involved with the Enneagram.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, and I'm a type nine, so type nines know themselves the least.
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SPEAKER_04: And interesting.
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SPEAKER_04: My husband and my brother and a lot of our friends are either counselors or pastoral counseling, and so they love to dig deep.
6:27
SPEAKER_04: Well, nines, we don't dig deep usually because we don't know what to dig deep for.
6:34
SPEAKER_04: Because we just so what I tell people, being a type 9 is like, yeah, is like driving in a fog.
6:40
SPEAKER_04: And so if you were to ask us, you know, what are our likes and preferences?
6:45
SPEAKER_04: It's like down like a mile away.
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SPEAKER_04: And so it's just foggy and it takes us time to get there.
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SPEAKER_04: So we're much more apt to go along with other people's wishes and desires than just to find ours or to know our own heart.
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SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, but because I was surrounded by so many people that that was what you do, I was really um encouraged and um and and in some ways, in a good way, pushed, you know, to explore my inner world.
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SPEAKER_04: And because I couldn't figure it out, which was really frustrating, um, when I found the Enneagram, it was like, oh my word, like something is putting words to what I kind of know is there.
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SPEAKER_04: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, but I just couldn't describe it.
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SPEAKER_04: So I used it as a resource to really connect with my husband and my family and friends, um, just so that they can get to know me better, but also how to have to know myself so I can either ask for forgiveness or move in a better direction.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, but what was so funny about what I was talking to my brother about was um is that back in, so so I'm for I just turned 43.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, yay.
7:50
SPEAKER_04: So we're I mean, I grew up back in the 80s, so this is pre-Youtube or any internet.
7:57
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, totally.
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SPEAKER_04: And I remember sitting in the kitchen with the video camera, though this was a smaller video camera, it wasn't one of the huge ones back in the day.
8:06
SPEAKER_04: We were cool and had a small, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Yes, uh, but I would put it on the kitchen counter and I basically do YouTube videos and describing it.
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SPEAKER_04: But what's so funny is like no one ever saw these, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: Like, what was I what was I doing and why was I doing it?
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SPEAKER_04: But I just crack up because now that's what I'm doing with my courses is I'm literally talking to quote unquote no one at a time.
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SPEAKER_04: Right.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, but describing exactly what the Enneagram is and how to understand it.
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SPEAKER_04: And so that's just kind of a funny, I mean, just to see what the Lord has taken those things um in full circle.
8:44
SPEAKER_04: But so that's just a little snippet of where I've been and where I am today.
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SPEAKER_04: But yeah, how I became your Enneagram coach.
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SPEAKER_04: So I've been doing it for about 15 years.
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SPEAKER_04: Um and just using as a pastor's wife and then our family and our marriage.
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SPEAKER_04: We've been married 22 years.
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SPEAKER_04: It's probably second to the Bible, the most beneficial tool we've used in parenting and in our marriage.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, and our kids are 19 and 17.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, and we literally talk about it on a daily basis.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, just where our hearts are, we under we are more in tune with our hearts, what we need to understand, how we can help others to understand ourselves and what perspective we're coming from, whether it's good or not good, but at least we can say, hey, this is really where I'm coming from.
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SPEAKER_04: So it just gives us much better communication.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, so we've been using it for a long time, um, but it wasn't until um when my husband was um not employed that as this type nine who wants to just be in the background, yeah, had just kind of said, um, no, you're gonna move forward and you're gonna do something with this.
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SPEAKER_04: And minds don't think much of themselves, we don't think our presence matters, or what's this gonna do for others?
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SPEAKER_04: And um, so we have to have what's called kind of an anger moment, and it's not a temper tantrum anger, it's a finding your passion and your calling kind of anger, like getting to the root of who you are, like waking up.
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SPEAKER_04: And I had one of those moments about two years ago, and so what I tell people is nines are kind of like we're elephants, you know, we adore elephants, um, and but usually we're elephants in a mud pit just enjoying ourselves and laying around, and you're on the world, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: And that's really what we're inside, so we're just kind of like, don't bother me, I just kind of want to be at peace.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, but when we get to those anger moments, we're finding our passion and calling, it's us getting up out of that restful, enjoyable mud pit.
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SPEAKER_04: But what you find is that we get going and we start kind of running and we have a goal and we're moving forward.
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SPEAKER_04: And if anyone knows, don't get in the way of an elephant.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was gonna say, watch out.
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SPEAKER_04: We are passionate, we're driven, but we still are very kind and warm in that pursuit.
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SPEAKER_04: So that's really where the last two years, God has just had me on this trajectory of bringing Enneagram to others in a simplified, easy to understand, but but without losing any of the profound content.
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SPEAKER_04: Because a lot of the material out there, though it's great and I love it, and I can't be out on it.
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SPEAKER_04: They use words that it most people are not using or exactly like, wait, what is this?
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SPEAKER_04: And why is there this thing and that thing?
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SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, oh, it doesn't need to be so complicated.
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SPEAKER_04: So my tools, resources, courses are all to be brought down into an easy to understand format, kind of like cliff notes, you know, like cliff notes when you read the cliff notes of Shakespeare, you're getting the best content, you're not losing out, right?
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SPEAKER_04: But you're not having to read the whole thing and trying to figure it out yourself.
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SPEAKER_04: So that's really what I do with the Enneagram.
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SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
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SPEAKER_00: So because I think that there is quite a process to figuring out what it is that you really are, the number.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've had an easier time figuring out what my young kids are.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're seven to eleven.
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SPEAKER_00: And I can like spot on, I'm like, oh, they are so this, you know, they exhibit a couple of character traits that I'm like, this this has to be them.
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SPEAKER_00: But for myself and my husband, we're kind of like scratching our head.
12:11
SPEAKER_00: And I know one of the keys are to go back to your 20-year-old self or you know, like pick a younger age before you were too tainted, or trying to like, you know, find your own back.
12:22
SPEAKER_01: So when you were like four.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe actually back far that way.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would have to go back farther than 20.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so because there is such a process to it, and I think just reading a book and taking a test isn't really enough, but it's worth diving into.
12:36
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
12:37
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you're absolutely right.
12:38
SPEAKER_04: It isn't easy.
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SPEAKER_04: A lot of people are so used to other typologies that are pretty easy and straightforward where they're really exhibiting the outward manifestations of ourselves, and this is why you do what you do, this is why you think, feel, and behave.
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SPEAKER_04: And a lot of us haven't been taught and trained to go inward to really think about why we do things, we just do it.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, and then even if we think we know why we do it, a lot of times we're just looking at the top of the iceberg.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and we don't really think through the deeper meaning.
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SPEAKER_04: Now, when we read about it, it's like, oh, yes, that is it, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, but that's why the enneagram can be hard.
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SPEAKER_04: Plus, there is a lot of overlap, overlapping um uh traits from the outside perspective.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, but when you know a person like myself who understands the enneagram can point out to others, okay, well, it's it's either this or it's actually like this.
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SPEAKER_04: I know it looks similar on the outside, but here's what's really going on.
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SPEAKER_04: That then gives clarification to help people um determine their types.
13:39
SPEAKER_04: But at the same time, we use all nine types to different degrees.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
13:44
SPEAKER_04: And so if someone uses two or three numbers really closely at the top, then it can be even more confusing.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, so there's no um right or wrong in how fast you find your type.
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SPEAKER_04: And in fact, I always tell people that my clients who kind of struggle to find their type at the beginning um and they have to kind of dive deeper and read more and explore, they actually grow faster and the most because they've had to do the hard work.
14:09
SPEAKER_04: So I'm like, hey, just relax, enjoy the process.
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SPEAKER_04: I know that we're in a like microwave society, like how to do it right now, but just enjoy the process because if the Lord wanted you to know it straight away, he would have showed you, but obviously you're on a different path.
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SPEAKER_04: And the Enneagram is something, like I said, you use every single day.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, it's not just that you're trying to become aware of yourself, it's more that you are aware of yourself.
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SPEAKER_04: Um so on any given day, when you understand how the Enneagram works, it's not just showing you, you know, what type you are, it's showing what you're like when you're under stress.
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SPEAKER_04: It shows you what you're like when you're doing well, when you're healthy, all the way down to unhealthy.
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SPEAKER_04: And so if I'm struggling, um, well, like for day, like today I have a cold.
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SPEAKER_04: So if I'm not feeling well, a lot of times that manifests in some irritability and other things.
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SPEAKER_04: And so if I'm recognizing that, I can let my family know, you know, give them, give them a heads up, like, hey, I can feel that I'm kind of edgy or irritable, and I'm really sorry if that kind of comes out across towards you.
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SPEAKER_04: I I just I'm not feeling my best.
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SPEAKER_04: And so just, you know, could you give me a little bit more grace today?
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SPEAKER_04: You know, so just being honest and upfront really helps that I understand how the nine works to a point where I can see where I'm at, kind of like a thermometer, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: Am I you know, do I have a fever?
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SPEAKER_04: Am I doing that well, or am I am I okay?
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SPEAKER_04: And that just gives people a heads up to know how to relate to us in that given moment.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:38
SPEAKER_00: Oh, this is good.
15:39
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I'm gonna assume because a lot of my friends, this is such a new thing, and I'm the one like championing, you gotta find what's your number?
15:46
SPEAKER_00: We gotta find this out, we gotta do a book study to get this.
15:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:49
SPEAKER_00: So give us a little bit of history of the anneogram, and then I mean, I have so many questions, and this is gonna be a longer podcast, but you've given us the permission to do that.
15:58
SPEAKER_00: Um we might even do two parts because I don't know.
16:03
SPEAKER_01: I know I'm over here like, can we just focus on fours the whole time?
16:06
SPEAKER_01: And I'll be the guinea pig and I'll be like, this is how it works, okay?
16:09
SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
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SPEAKER_00: So we'll back up and we'll give people a little bit of a glimpse of what the Aneagram is, and knowing that this is just we're giving you a little taste.
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SPEAKER_00: You're this is not gonna be comprehensive, but that's why your Enneagram coach is out there to help you find out all things Enneagram.
16:26
SPEAKER_00: So Right.
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SPEAKER_04: No, that's great.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so just to give a brief overview, a lot of people who are new at this probably are totally confused, which is completely normal.
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SPEAKER_04: One, it's like, what is this weird word, Enneagram?
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, so ennea in Greek means nine, and gram means diagram or drawing.
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SPEAKER_04: And so for those that are out there, they can't see the symbol, but if they were to see it, it's a nine-pointed star.
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SPEAKER_04: And so the nine point.
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SPEAKER_00: It looks a little freaky.
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SPEAKER_04: It's nothing like the pentagram, yeah, not related.
16:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: The first the first thing people that are will think, is this a pentagram?
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SPEAKER_04: And no, it's not a pentagram.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, it is a nine-pointed geometric figure.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, and most of the time it does have a circle around it.
17:09
SPEAKER_04: Now, if you look at my logo, I've taken the circle off because um, you know, I I don't want it to be that first reaction of what is this?
17:17
SPEAKER_04: That's a great idea.
17:18
SPEAKER_00: I like your uh logo.
17:19
SPEAKER_00: It looks very very warm, very friendly.
17:23
SPEAKER_04: Very colorful.
17:24
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
17:24
SPEAKER_04: Um, but this the circle does show that we do use all nine types.
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SPEAKER_04: That's what it's there for, that they're like we're connected to all.
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unknown: Okay.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, and so when people look at the symbol, they'll understand that.
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SPEAKER_04: But then when they see the symbol, you know, just like you know, people could in their mind right now draw a star, just a normal star, and you have lines that are connecting to the points, right?
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SPEAKER_04: So those lines in the enne symbol are very important.
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SPEAKER_04: Um they actually are paths of growth and stress.
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SPEAKER_04: So each number is connected to two other numbers through these lines.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, and so one line is showing you when you're under stress, and the other line is showing you what you are like when you're growing.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
18:08
SPEAKER_04: Um and there's even more layers to that, but we'll just keep it simple.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:12
SPEAKER_04: That's good.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, and so that's really helpful because for me as a type nine, I'm connected to lines six and three.
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SPEAKER_04: And just like I was saying a second ago, is that if I'm not doing well and I'm under stress, I'm gonna act out some of the average to the unhealthy um attributes of type six.
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SPEAKER_04: Now I don't become a six, but all of a sudden, this easy-going, laid-back type nine that nines are become irritable and testy and worried, and there's more anxiety.
18:42
SPEAKER_04: And so then people are like, what's happening with you?
18:44
SPEAKER_04: You're this isn't who you normally are.
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SPEAKER_04: But yes, it is what I actually act like when I'm under stress.
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SPEAKER_04: Now, for the type nine, when I'm doing well, I'm gonna move towards the other line, and I'm gonna become more of a healthy version of myself by moving to the healthy side of type three.
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unknown: Okay.
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SPEAKER_04: So I don't become a type three, but I start taking on attributes like three, like I have more self-confidence, not arrogancy, but self-confidence, assertiveness, moving forward in life.
19:13
SPEAKER_04: You're more driven.
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SPEAKER_04: More driven.
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SPEAKER_04: That's awesome.
19:17
SPEAKER_04: And why that's really good is then I can, like I said earlier, I can know am I doing well or am I not doing well?
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SPEAKER_04: And how much of this do I need to admit and bring to the Lord and ask him for help?
19:27
SPEAKER_04: And also when can I celebrate um what he is doing in and through me?
19:32
SPEAKER_04: So those are all really important attributes because God cares about our heart, right?
19:37
SPEAKER_04: He's not caring about our outward behaviors, he wants to know our heart, and that's why the enne is so powerful because it's showing you why you do what you do.
19:46
SPEAKER_04: Um, and that's the biggest thing for everyone that is listening when they're wondering, well, what's the difference?
19:51
SPEAKER_04: It's all about the word why.
19:53
SPEAKER_04: Why you think, feel, and behave in particular ways.
19:56
SPEAKER_04: That's just exactly what the Enneagram is all about.
19:59
SPEAKER_04: So if you think about the Enneagram as uh an internal GPS, that's how I describe it.
20:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's good.
20:05
SPEAKER_04: Um and so, like my mom who's 75, I have to teach her how to use the GPS, just like I teach people how to use the Enneagram.
20:14
SPEAKER_04: And so here's your your your main or your current location, whatever type you are, and here's the destination where you really want you to go.
20:21
SPEAKER_04: This is the healthy version of yourself.
20:23
SPEAKER_04: But then here's what you look like when you veer off your your best path and into that ditch on the side of the road.
20:29
SPEAKER_04: And the Enneagram is that rumble strip on the highway where it's gonna wake you up now that you know what you do when you're not doing well, it's gonna wake you up and hopefully you'll be able to pay attention enough to not go off into the ditch.
20:44
SPEAKER_00: The da da da da is gonna get you.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
20:47
SPEAKER_00: Why is that?
20:48
SPEAKER_04: And so if if we see it as a tool and a resource in that way, it's super beneficial to catch not only ourselves, but even our spouse or our kids, and and not in a way that we used to do it where we get frustrated with them, but now we have compassion.
21:03
SPEAKER_04: Now we understand, oh, they're different than me.
21:06
SPEAKER_04: They see the world differently, they they react to the world differently.
21:09
SPEAKER_04: And how can I have compassion because I can see right now they're struggling, or yeah, even even another way is you know, a lot of times when our kids are trying to make us proud, they might do things that to us is like breathing, it's super easy, and we don't know that it's something we have to cheer them in.
21:27
SPEAKER_04: But for them, maybe it's super hard.
21:29
SPEAKER_04: And when we know their personality, we see, oh wow, they're moving in their best direction.
21:35
SPEAKER_04: I need to cheer them on.
21:36
SPEAKER_04: That is so fantastic.
21:38
SPEAKER_04: Um and so there's just so many um applications that we can use the Enneagram for that because it's all about the why, like I said a second ago.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: That is awesome.
21:49
SPEAKER_00: How do you um I mean, I guess you do have a couple of different and before we cover all the different Enneagram types, um, there was one aspect that I thought was really good is that.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: All of them are reflections of God's character.
22:03
SPEAKER_00: Just how we're like this is like a you know, like the nine gets to reflect um Christ, like the peacemaker, the peace that Christ brings and his peace on earth.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's you know an aspect of it.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: And we'll we'll talk about the names about each type when we talk about each number.
22:21
SPEAKER_00: Um so that that was really helpful to get like the overall perspective and why we can't all be nine, but we all move we move that direction of embodying the positive qualities of each of that.
22:32
SPEAKER_00: But um, maybe with some of the the like programs that you have to help people discover, because people could read a book, but I know I was left wanting more and a little bit more guidance to like, okay, maybe I don't know how to figure out my true self.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: I know what I do, and people judge me by what I do, so they make assumptions of my number based on what I do, but there is a little bit of confusion there.
22:57
SPEAKER_00: So talk through the the different things you have and maybe the highlight of what each one of them can do for you.
23:03
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, that's great.
23:04
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I have a three-step coaching process that I take people through.
23:08
SPEAKER_04: Um, it's called Discover, Explore, and Become.
23:12
SPEAKER_04: So we want to discover your main type.
23:14
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so those that need help with that, there's two ways that we go about it.
23:20
SPEAKER_04: First is through my online course, which is called Discovering You.
23:23
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
23:24
SPEAKER_04: A Journey Through the Enneagram.
23:26
SPEAKER_04: And this is the best way to start in learning the Enneagram because I've designed it's a two-hour cliff notes version.
23:34
SPEAKER_04: Like I said, I make it as easy to understand, it's colorful, it's a slideshow presentation, and you get to see me in it.
23:41
SPEAKER_04: Um, but it's it's a slideshow presentation that really helps you to see and understand the Enneagram and how what it is, why to use it, how to use it, um, but then it gives you an overview of all nine types.
23:56
SPEAKER_04: And the overview that I give is so specific that I'm really trying to not give you um the overlap on personalities, but really sticking true to why is this type different?
24:09
SPEAKER_04: And so that you can really find yourself.
24:11
SPEAKER_04: So I would say about 90% of the people, well, maybe 85-90% of the people that go through the course find their main type.
24:19
SPEAKER_04: Um and it comes with a 42-page downloadable workbook that you can print off.
24:26
SPEAKER_04: And it's not, it's great to use while you're doing the class, but it is an amazing resource for years to come.
24:32
SPEAKER_04: And it's 42 pages, it's not 42 pages of full like word-for-word content.
24:38
SPEAKER_04: It's really colorful, it's bright, it's um it's it's actually got not a whole lot of content, but it's very visual so that you can see how the Enneagram works.
24:47
SPEAKER_04: Kind of like if you were to look a manual on how to drive or something.
24:53
SPEAKER_04: Um, it's really gonna show you the differences between each type.
24:56
SPEAKER_04: So that's the place I start everybody.
24:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's awesome.
25:00
SPEAKER_04: Now, for those few people that are still struggling to find their type, maybe they're like, I think I'm gonna type this and this, I just don't know.
25:06
SPEAKER_04: Then they can hire me as a coach to walk them through discovering your type session.
25:11
SPEAKER_04: It's just a one-hour session, and I ask very specific questions, and I'm guiding them in finding their main type because you cannot tell someone what their type is because this is all about your internal world.
25:25
SPEAKER_04: And what's interesting is we all do similar outwardly things, yeah, but for different reasons.
25:30
SPEAKER_04: And so I always tell women just think about cleaning a home.
25:34
SPEAKER_04: Each of the personalities are going to clean the home for a different reason, and later we could always go through it, but just because someone has a clean home, you can't think, oh, they're the perfectionists, you know.
25:45
SPEAKER_04: Right.
25:45
SPEAKER_04: There's everyone does it for a different reason.
25:47
SPEAKER_04: And so it's important that we take the time to give each person the space to find their type and not say what type they are.
25:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
25:55
SPEAKER_04: Because you'll be surprised, even me as a coach, when I'm talking to people, they might look like one type, but they're actually a different type because there's so many layers to the Enneagram.
26:04
SPEAKER_04: A lot of people don't realize how many layers there are.
26:06
SPEAKER_04: In fact, I have a student right now who's taking my becoming an Enneagram coach course, and she came in thinking she was a two, but when she learned about one of the layers, she realized I'm a type seven that looks like a type two.
26:20
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
26:20
SPEAKER_04: So we just want to give people the space and the time to find themselves.
26:24
SPEAKER_04: So in that discovering your type session, I guide them in finding their mean type.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: Um that's good.
26:32
SPEAKER_00: Because you're not telling them or even like revealing some, you know, secret that we can't see ourselves, but you lead them to the inner discovery.
26:41
SPEAKER_00: Right.
26:42
SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
26:43
SPEAKER_04: So in my store on my online um website, uh your Enneagramcoach.com, that's where discovering you is.
26:50
SPEAKER_04: And anyone can take that at any time.
26:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
26:52
SPEAKER_04: And if you were to hire me as your coach, that's where I would start you.
26:56
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
26:56
SPEAKER_04: So I always say just go get that and start there.
26:59
SPEAKER_04: And then if you're like, well, what's next?
27:01
SPEAKER_04: Um, all of us can gain a lot of information, but how to apply it to our everyday life is really hard, especially when it's such a complex system like this.
27:10
SPEAKER_04: And so that's where my next session is is exploring you.
27:13
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
27:14
SPEAKER_04: Um, where I take you through five um sessions, and I have five guide sheets that I take each type through, and they're very um customized and tailored for that person's type.
27:25
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
27:25
SPEAKER_04: And what we do is we go, um, it's just it's information, it's not too much, it's in like you stretch, um, but it's not overwhelming.
27:32
SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
27:33
SPEAKER_04: And so what we do is we go line by line, and the where the magic happens is when people bring in their own story, like, oh my gosh, I did that yesterday, or when I was in middle school, or oh, that makes so much more sense of why I felt that way in my family and or with my friends.
27:49
SPEAKER_04: And it all starts coming together when we start talking about how the Enneagram has worked in their life and is working in their life.
27:56
SPEAKER_04: And then that's where I continue to guide them in how to use it on a daily basis.
28:00
SPEAKER_04: Um, so that's five sessions called Exploring You.
28:03
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
28:04
SPEAKER_04: And then we can move into the become where they become their best self.
28:08
SPEAKER_04: Um, and that's where we take all that they've learned and we apply it to their everyday life circumstances.
28:13
SPEAKER_04: So if they're like, okay, this has been great, learned a lot about myself, but now what do I do with my husband in this particular scenario or my children or my work?
28:22
SPEAKER_04: And that's where we then take it that next step.
28:25
SPEAKER_04: Um now the cool thing is is um in January, we're going to be um launching.
28:32
SPEAKER_04: I know that we're this podcast is coming out in the spring, um, but we are launching this version that I do in person with people on an online course.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's great.
28:42
SPEAKER_04: Unfortunately, I won't out get to hear their story, but I'm going to be setting it up so that it's as if we're together and I'm making them pause and write down their story so that those that can't meet with me personally or financially, it's not possible.
28:56
SPEAKER_04: They can go into my store and purchase the same discovering you and exploring you as a package and take it from there.
29:03
SPEAKER_00: So that's so cool.
29:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love that.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: That's I mean, that really it's like therapy and counseling.
29:10
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I just feel just the initial layer that I've explored for the last year has it's been helpful in our marriage.
29:16
SPEAKER_00: Even though I would say honestly, both of us are unsure.
29:19
SPEAKER_00: I have my thoughts about what my husband is, but again, like only he can really determine.
29:24
SPEAKER_00: And he has thoughts about what I am, but again, only I can really determine.
29:28
SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: But it just helped me, I think, even as you framed, um, because he thinks, and I think he might be a nine, but I see how the nine and moves to the six, and that's usually where the conflict occurs of like, you're not acting your normal self, why?
29:45
SPEAKER_00: And so it's because he's acting like a stressed-out six.
29:48
SPEAKER_00: So, but like, but then I frame those situations so much differently.
29:53
SPEAKER_00: What used to cause an argument or hurt even, then I'm like, oh, well, I need to find out what's going on in his heart first to see why this reaction.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: And it it sounds so simplistic when you put it that way, but when you but like we just get so in the thick of it, we don't separate it out, and this helps you separate it out a little bit.
30:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and and what we always teach people is you don't want to commit a suicide.
30:15
SPEAKER_04: Yes, which which we all do all the time, but we're assuming we know why they did what they did, yes, because we see it through our own lens, right?
30:25
SPEAKER_04: Each personality has a different lens, a different perspective of life, and so if we realize, oh wait, maybe they did that from a totally different viewpoint.
30:33
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, not saying that why they did it was okay, but if we first stop and pause and ask why they did it, it helps us to not overreact in any given situation.
30:46
SPEAKER_03: Totally.
30:47
SPEAKER_04: And maybe it was for a good reason, and we would have done it for a totally bad reason.
30:51
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but then we can give space and understanding.
30:55
SPEAKER_04: So I love what you just said.
30:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so we want to really try to understand each other's hearts before we assume wrongly and hurt the relationship.
31:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, oh no, it's powerful, and we could talk about that all day, but we won't.
31:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
31:08
SPEAKER_00: And so, okay, so that's gonna be um your newest offering in 2018.
31:13
SPEAKER_00: And um, this podcast will air not too long after that.
31:16
SPEAKER_00: But um, and then I know you do because it's what I want to do when I grow up, quote unquote.
31:23
SPEAKER_00: I've got a lot of things I want to do when I grow up, but um, you can actually you teach people how to become Enneagram coaches.
31:30
SPEAKER_04: I do.
31:30
SPEAKER_04: It's one of my favorite things.
31:32
SPEAKER_04: Yes, I love it.
31:33
SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, so it's called Becoming an Enneagram Coach.
31:37
SPEAKER_04: We um we do launch it twice a year, but I do give information behind the scenes.
31:43
SPEAKER_04: Um so if people email me, you know, we can kind of start the conversation.
31:48
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
31:48
SPEAKER_04: Um, but we have a private Facebook group for our coaches, and we're talking people from the very beginning and some people who have studied it for years.
31:57
SPEAKER_04: Um, but again, I take people somehow the God has given me the gift to simplify things but yet keep it profound.
32:04
SPEAKER_04: So anyone can start this process.
32:07
SPEAKER_04: Um, and what I absolutely love my job.
32:10
SPEAKER_04: Um, God, you know, showed me how to do it through for sure.
32:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:15
SPEAKER_04: Oh, well, thanks.
32:16
SPEAKER_04: I literally get to like what we're doing right now, people can't see it, but we're on um a video call called Zoom, and this is how I coach.
32:25
SPEAKER_04: And I walk people through, I share my screen, and I get to see them, and they get to see me, and I literally visually get to see people transform right before my eyes because they have these aha moments of, oh my gosh, this is so amazing, or I feel so free, or because my whole purpose is to take them from feeling shame, self-condemnation, and fear, which is what our flesh wants to pull us, and our unhealthy parts of our personality wants to pull us over there and convince us that we should live there.
32:54
SPEAKER_04: And Christ says, No, I've paid for that.
32:56
SPEAKER_04: And so when we're his, we're his beloved child who is free, forgiven, and fully loved.
33:03
SPEAKER_04: And so in my coaching, that's what I'm constantly doing is helping them to understand that they're not in that other space as an orphan, they're really his beloved child.
33:13
SPEAKER_04: And so to be able to do that with those guide sheets and to watch people transform and be free is so amazing.
33:19
SPEAKER_04: So I actually teach people how to do that in my becoming Enneagram coach course.
33:24
SPEAKER_04: Um, and then they get to go off and do it the way that God designed them.
33:28
SPEAKER_04: They don't have to do it exactly my way, right?
33:30
SPEAKER_04: Um, and then they get to experience that same joy, and it's really amazing.
33:35
SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
33:36
SPEAKER_00: I totally like it, might be my 2018 goal.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what we were just talking about that yesterday.
33:42
SPEAKER_01: This is something I would love to have in my toolkit, just to be able to help and work with it.
33:45
SPEAKER_04: And that's the thing, it's great to even do it, even if you aren't going to become a coach.
33:49
SPEAKER_04: But it's amazing how just in our everyday life um circumstances with friends and you know, because they're always, you know, people are always asking, how do I you know get better in my relationships?
33:59
SPEAKER_04: And well, then you'll have the tools and the knowledge, even if you don't use it as an actual coach or therapist or pastor.
34:06
SPEAKER_04: Um, it is an amazing resource.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I have a a pastor's heart.
34:10
SPEAKER_00: It's just a natural, I don't know if it's a gifting, if that's how we call it, but um, I found myself, I mean, I'm approaching 40.
34:18
SPEAKER_00: So I have a good 20 years of, you know, just um interacting that way with a lot of my friendships and relationships.
34:25
SPEAKER_00: And the Lord has given me some supernatural wisdom over the year for sure, the Holy through the Holy Spirit.
34:30
SPEAKER_00: But um, just to have an actual tool uh to use and point people to and then actually know how to invite people into the process uh would just I think would be amazing.
34:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:42
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so okay.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: That's great.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: Well, let's give a rundown.
34:46
SPEAKER_00: And I'm hoping as we give a rundown, maybe I'll have some great enlightenment about my number.
34:52
SPEAKER_00: Right.
34:52
SPEAKER_00: Because I think I've gone through like I haven't gone through all the numbers.
34:55
SPEAKER_00: There's certainly numbers I'm like, oh, I know for sure I am not that.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: And I can see how maybe some of my friendships or relationships are certain numbers, and maybe that's where the conflict um comes in.
35:07
SPEAKER_00: And for me, it's been like, oh, well, if they're that number, then I have to see that's how they see the world, and that's okay.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: Like all of my positivity is not gonna help a four when they want to be melancholy.
35:20
SPEAKER_00: No, no, it won't.
35:22
SPEAKER_00: So, and Ashley, Ashley's pretty sure she is.
35:24
SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure before we had that conflict between the nine and the four.
35:27
SPEAKER_01: Amy was like, I think you might be a nine because I have that I don't know what I want, and whatever, but that I think that's out of a different place, though.
35:34
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't even know what I want.
35:36
SPEAKER_01: Who am I?
35:37
SPEAKER_01: But I mean, I love my melancholy, and let's talk about suffering and let's talk about your pain.
35:41
SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about that.
35:43
SPEAKER_01: That's like the main thing.
35:44
SPEAKER_01: So I think I'm solidly a four.
35:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, who knows?
35:49
SPEAKER_00: This is all meant to give people a broad overview, and there might be something that immediately they resonate with, and they're pretty sure.
35:56
SPEAKER_00: So then go dive down that rabbit hole and explore it.
35:59
SPEAKER_00: Um, and just and I do always caution people like I there are definitely certain types are so true, you can't help but think, oh, they that has to be five.
36:09
SPEAKER_00: But um, but just kind of hold it loosely and you know, just approach it a way to maybe try to understand them better and poke at it more by asking them questions to say, you know, is this why you do what you do?
36:20
SPEAKER_00: You know, but in flowery terms that are acceptable.
36:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:24
SPEAKER_00: So all right.
36:26
SPEAKER_00: So tell us, give us the run-and say whatever number you want.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: I like to confuse people and start in the middle, but I think you have a better method of minus.
36:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, that's great.
36:37
SPEAKER_04: Well, and so here's the thing, as people um start diving into finding their main type, um, like I said, a lot of times people are looking um at books and they're looking at their behaviors, or they're looking at, oh, well, Sue is an artist, so she must be a four.
36:52
SPEAKER_04: That's not how it works.
36:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
36:54
SPEAKER_04: Um, so how it works is we're trying to find out why you do what you do, and why you do what you do is based off of core fears, core desires, and a core weakness.
37:06
SPEAKER_04: Um, so you are constantly avoiding and running away from a core fear.
37:12
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
37:12
SPEAKER_04: And you're running towards a core desire.
37:15
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
37:16
SPEAKER_04: Now, you may not know it, just you know, you don't realize when you're doing it, like you're not thinking, oh, that's what I'm doing, until I explain it to you.
37:24
SPEAKER_04: Um, but it's really important to start there because a lot of people will say, Oh, well, I give to people, so I must be a two.
37:31
SPEAKER_04: Well, no, not necessarily.
37:33
SPEAKER_04: Um, it's why you do it that matters.
37:36
SPEAKER_04: So, what I'm gonna walk you guys through is also a free PDF download on my website, so yourintegramcoach.com.
37:44
SPEAKER_04: Go to the store and it's an overview of all my types.
37:47
SPEAKER_04: And so for those that are listening, just relax and listen.
37:50
SPEAKER_04: You'll have to write all of this down.
37:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you can get it as a free download and share it with friends.
37:57
SPEAKER_04: Um, and that way you can just kind of absorb the information.
38:00
SPEAKER_04: But what we're wanting to do is when you do print this off, is you're wanting to find the type that has your core fear, desire, and weakness.
38:10
SPEAKER_04: And then also we're gonna talk about the message your heart longs to hear that should really pop as well.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: That's good.
38:16
SPEAKER_04: So it's not that you're finding a core fear at type one, then you your desire is in three, and that's not how it works.
38:23
SPEAKER_04: You have one main type.
38:24
SPEAKER_04: Now, if you take my course discovering you, you're gonna see how you do access a lot of other types and and how that all works.
38:33
SPEAKER_04: So there's the two numbers next to your main type that influence you.
38:37
SPEAKER_04: And remember when I talked about those lines, those influence you as well.
38:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay, and the ones on the side are sometimes um referred to as wings, like you might be a three with a two-wing or a four-wing, but never a three with like a five-wing.
38:51
SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
38:51
SPEAKER_04: It's only the numbers right next to you.
38:53
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
38:54
SPEAKER_04: Um, and they do have influence in your main type.
38:56
SPEAKER_04: And so if someone uses a wing, so like a three who uses a lot of two, they might be confused.
39:02
SPEAKER_04: Am I a two or am I a three?
39:03
SPEAKER_04: Well, that makes total sense.
39:05
SPEAKER_04: Um, but so we really want to go back down to why do you do what you do?
39:09
SPEAKER_04: What is your core fear?
39:10
SPEAKER_04: What are you always running away from?
39:12
SPEAKER_04: Now, when I read these, a lot of people might go, Well, I don't really like that either.
39:15
SPEAKER_04: And it's like, well, of course, a lot of these we don't want to happen.
39:19
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
39:19
SPEAKER_04: But is it right?
39:20
SPEAKER_04: Is it why you do almost everything in your life?
39:23
SPEAKER_04: It's the main thing you're avoiding.
39:25
unknown: Okay.
39:26
SPEAKER_04: Um, and then the core weakness, when we get to that, this is the thing that constantly is tripping you up.
39:31
SPEAKER_04: So think about when Paul was talking about the thorn in your side.
39:34
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
39:34
SPEAKER_04: And you're pleading, like, can you please Lord take this away from me?
39:37
SPEAKER_04: But it keeps popping up, it keeps um, it keeps us humble, it keeps us dependent on the Lord, um, because his power is made perfect in our weakness.
39:47
SPEAKER_04: And so this is a weakness that keeps popping up in our life.
39:51
SPEAKER_04: And we may not have fully recognized it from a oh, that's what this is.
39:57
SPEAKER_04: Um, but when I say it, it should pop in pretty good, like, oh wow, yeah, that is true.
40:02
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
40:02
SPEAKER_04: And then the message our heart longs to hear is something that even as children, we were hoping that our parents would speak this into our life in such a way that would fill us up and free us.
40:14
SPEAKER_04: Um, but then we transfer that to uh teachers and then our spouse and then our kids.
40:20
SPEAKER_04: We're we're trying so hard to get this from people.
40:24
SPEAKER_04: Gotcha.
40:25
SPEAKER_04: But people are people, right?
40:28
SPEAKER_04: And they can't give us what we really need.
40:30
SPEAKER_04: So in Jeremiah 2, 13, it talks about we dig our own cisterns, cistrons, cisterns that don't hold water.
40:37
SPEAKER_04: And those are like clay pots that are cracked.
40:39
SPEAKER_04: Um, but Christ is the spring of living water, and so he's the only one that can give this message to us in its complete and entirety that fills us up to the point of just overflow.
40:51
SPEAKER_04: And so that'll make you so when you hear the message that your heart longs to hear, just remember that we can't try to grab this from people, yeah, but we can get this from the Lord and He freely gives it to us, and we are free in it.
41:07
SPEAKER_04: Um, and that's part of my coaching is to show people how the gospel speaks to even the darkest of your corners that you think it doesn't reach.
41:16
SPEAKER_04: So that's awesome.
41:17
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
41:18
SPEAKER_04: I love it.
41:19
SPEAKER_00: Okay, we're gonna go.
41:23
SPEAKER_04: So each type, we're gonna go through these things, and so you're just wanting to hear which one speaks the loudest to you.
41:28
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
41:29
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
41:29
SPEAKER_04: So the type one is the moral perfectionist, okay, and they fear being wrong, bad, evil, inappropriate, corruptible, unredeemable.
41:39
SPEAKER_04: Um, now their desire is to have integrity, to be right, to be virtuous, to be the good boy or the good girl.
41:47
SPEAKER_04: It's all about ethics for them, it's about right versus wrong.
41:50
SPEAKER_04: This isn't about appearing a certain way.
41:54
SPEAKER_04: This isn't about their image, it's about internally, they have a very loud inner critic that has a megaphone and it's constantly berating them and telling them how they're messing up.
42:05
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
42:06
SPEAKER_04: And so what they're trying to do is quiet the inner critic down by being good.
42:11
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
42:13
SPEAKER_04: Now, the inner critic instantly will tell them what to do.
42:16
SPEAKER_04: So they're really driven by an inward um uh critic versus always looking outward to what other people are thinking or what's their advice.
42:26
SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
42:27
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
42:27
SPEAKER_04: Now their core weakness is resentment.
42:30
SPEAKER_04: Um, this is like basically it's anger that's been repressed.
42:34
SPEAKER_04: Because ones we go, oh, I'm not angry because that would be that would be bad and wrong.
42:38
SPEAKER_04: Right, right.
42:39
SPEAKER_00: They're not being a good girl or good boy.
42:41
SPEAKER_00: Right.
42:41
SPEAKER_04: Right.
42:42
SPEAKER_04: So what this is, is this is anger that's repressed, and it's leading to continual frustration or dissatisfaction with themselves in the world.
42:50
SPEAKER_04: So basically, they're the adults, even if they're five years old, they're the adults, they're doing what's right, no one else is living up to certain standards, um, no one's doing what needs to be done, and so they feel resentment that they're the only ones that are doing it.
43:05
SPEAKER_04: Well, you can understand why a type one would have resentment if you understand a one, because they're the, like I said, the moral perfectionists.
43:12
SPEAKER_04: Now, when they walk into a room, what people think is that they're looking for imperfections and then criticizing people or pointing them out.
43:21
SPEAKER_04: Well, what happens is when they walk into a room, those imperfections pop out at them.
43:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and they it's like, yeah, they can't help but notice them.
43:30
SPEAKER_04: And so they think everyone else has that, but then everyone else is ignoring it.
43:36
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
43:36
SPEAKER_04: So you can see why they would feel resentful.
43:39
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
43:39
SPEAKER_04: So, like if there's a spot on the counter, they think everyone else sees the spot on the counter.
43:44
SPEAKER_04: And why do they have to be the ones that always point it out?
43:47
SPEAKER_00: Or the ones to clean it up.
43:49
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
43:50
SPEAKER_00: Ashley's dying over here.
43:51
SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
43:52
SPEAKER_00: She may or may not be married to one.
43:55
SPEAKER_01: And I don't notice anything.
43:57
SPEAKER_01: Okay, this is fine.
43:58
SPEAKER_01: Okay, carry on, good.
44:00
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
44:01
SPEAKER_04: And so it's and so you can understand why that is a core weakness that if if they are constantly seeing all these imperfections and they're trying to be good, so they're trying to be appropriate and keep it within and not you know voice it all the time.
44:15
SPEAKER_04: Right.
44:15
SPEAKER_00: Um berate anyone from missing the spot on the counter.
44:19
SPEAKER_00: Right.
44:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:19
SPEAKER_04: The inner critic is constantly berating them.
44:22
SPEAKER_04: It's I tell people because it's my wing, it's in it's one of my wings, it's not my main wing.
44:26
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
44:26
SPEAKER_04: Um it's like a bat, and it's constant someone's constantly beating you over the head, and you just want it to stop.
44:33
SPEAKER_04: Like, please leave me alone.
44:35
SPEAKER_04: Like, I'll do whatever you need me to do to just you stop berating me and beating me up.
44:42
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so what people need to realize with a type one is they feel like they're constantly uh being critical or judgmental or picky or um on edge.
44:52
SPEAKER_04: Well, you can understand why now.
44:55
SPEAKER_04: And in fact, the more they're critical outwardly, they're tenfold inwardly.
45:01
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
45:01
SPEAKER_04: So so you can have more compassion.
45:03
SPEAKER_04: Like if you have a spouse or a friend that's being critical, you can, are you okay?
45:08
SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, tell me what's going on.
45:10
SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, where do you feel overwhelmed?
45:12
SPEAKER_04: You know, where's the pressure coming from?
45:14
SPEAKER_04: So they have the forever list of things that they have to keep doing.
45:18
SPEAKER_04: Um and so that would give you a lot of compassion to them because we all have an inner critic, but we don't have one that's that brief.
45:25
SPEAKER_00: Right as loud, yeah.
45:27
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
45:27
SPEAKER_04: Um, now the message they long to hear is you are good.
45:30
SPEAKER_04: Um, now we'll never be good on earth um by ourselves.
45:35
SPEAKER_04: But the good news is of the gospel is that Christ came and was perfect on your behalf.
45:40
SPEAKER_04: And so not only does he wipe our sins away and we're free from those, he has imputed or put on us his righteousness so that when God looks at us, he sees Christ's righteousness.
45:52
SPEAKER_04: Therefore, he sees us as good, not us ourselves, but Christ in us.
45:57
SPEAKER_04: And so it frees the one to know though I may not be good, I am good based off of Christ's righteousness.
46:04
SPEAKER_04: And so it frees them to live in that grace.
46:07
SPEAKER_04: Now that doesn't mean they can just do whatever they want, because that's just not what a one's gonna do.
46:11
SPEAKER_04: Right.
46:11
SPEAKER_04: It gives them childlikeness, it gives them freedom and rest that they've never experienced before.
46:18
SPEAKER_04: So that's type one.
46:19
SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: Great.
46:21
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I think that you've already done a good work of helping some people out.
46:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:26
SPEAKER_00: Good, good.
46:27
SPEAKER_04: Um so type two is a supportive advisor.
46:31
SPEAKER_04: Okay, and their core fear is being worthless, needy, inconsequential, dispensable for sure, and then unworthy of being loved.
46:41
SPEAKER_04: Um, so what they desire is to feel loved and wanted.
46:46
SPEAKER_04: Now, of course, we all want to feel loved and wanted, but but the two, this is a constant desire where how they feel love is when people show appreciation, thankfulness, gratitude, um, and affirmation towards them.
47:02
SPEAKER_04: That is what feels like love to them.
47:04
SPEAKER_04: And so, in order to get that, they want to they find what people's needs are and serve them to then get that affirmation, which then correlates to them as I'm loved and wanted, I'm more I have worth.
47:18
SPEAKER_04: And um, so for the two, their core weakness is pride.
47:23
SPEAKER_04: And the way this pride looks like in the two is a couple things is one, it's the inability and unwillingness for them to acknowledge their own pain and suffering, um, and to deny their own needs.
47:34
SPEAKER_04: Because if they have needs and suffering, then other people are gonna focus on them, which in turn means they can't focus on that person.
47:42
SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
47:42
SPEAKER_04: And so if they can't focus on that person and help them, how are they gonna get the appreciation and affirmation that their heart so needs?
47:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:51
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so they constantly are repressing their own needs and desires in order to focus on everyone else to get that affirmation and love that they're longing for.
48:02
SPEAKER_04: And they really fear being rejected or dispensable, and so they deal a lot with um the shame of they're not worthy enough.
48:12
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so what we want them to realize is they're constantly working on behalf of others, and that when you when they walk into a room, they have antenna that come out and feel everyone else's emotions.
48:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
48:24
SPEAKER_04: Um, and they're looking for the person who's in the most need, now consciously or unconsciously.
48:29
SPEAKER_04: They it's not like they're sitting there thinking about it.
48:31
SPEAKER_00: And don't you think sometimes the person with the greatest need finds them?
48:34
SPEAKER_00: They just like naturally somehow.
48:37
SPEAKER_04: They do that with with magnetic twos and nines.
48:40
SPEAKER_04: So we'll we'll get into later.
48:41
SPEAKER_04: Remind me to make sure I help just to distinguish the twos and the nines, because okay, a lot of nines will think they're twos.
48:47
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
48:48
SPEAKER_04: Um, but um, but yes, and so the the twos are definitely wanting to help and serve, and um, but they also really so the difference here's one difference between nine and two.
48:59
SPEAKER_04: Twos part of pride is really pride.
49:03
SPEAKER_04: They know what you need, and in fact, they do know what you need.
49:05
SPEAKER_04: It's it's an uncanny intuition that they have.
49:09
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
49:09
SPEAKER_04: The problem is the more that they feel like they're not getting what the what their heart longs to hear, which is you are wanted for just being you, then they have to find people who need and insert themselves into their life by providing that need.
49:26
SPEAKER_01: So does this become controlling then?
49:28
SPEAKER_04: Does it become controlling?
49:30
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, controlling, manipulative, passive, aggressive.
49:33
SPEAKER_04: But the difference between the the two and the nine is the two, because the nine might see that there is a need.
49:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
49:40
SPEAKER_04: They're waiting to be asked to accommodate to help.
49:43
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
49:43
SPEAKER_04: The twos aren't waiting, they're inserting themselves because it is, especially when they're feeling that void, they're desperate to get the appreciation and the um thankfulness and the gratitude from others.
49:57
SPEAKER_04: And so in order to get that, they have to to serve and help.
50:00
SPEAKER_04: So they insert themselves into someone else's life with a help, quote unquote, a helpful hand.
50:06
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
50:06
SPEAKER_04: The nine, on the other hand, is I'm not gonna insert myself unless I'm asked.
50:12
SPEAKER_04: Um they're gonna they're much more pulled back than that.
50:15
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
50:16
SPEAKER_04: Um interesting.
50:17
SPEAKER_04: Okay, yeah.
50:18
SPEAKER_04: So the the message that the two longs to hear, like I said, is you're wanted for just being you.
50:22
SPEAKER_04: So over the message you were wanted and loved.
50:25
SPEAKER_04: And the greatest thing is that's why Christ came.
50:28
SPEAKER_04: You were wanted.
50:30
SPEAKER_04: He didn't just, you know, oh, I think I'll just come down because that sounds kind of fun.
50:34
SPEAKER_04: No, he wanted you.
50:36
SPEAKER_04: He came specifically because he has you on his heart, and you had a need that you couldn't um take care of, and he provided for your need.
50:47
SPEAKER_04: So that is um a neat message from the gospel for them.
50:50
SPEAKER_00: That's beautiful.
50:52
SPEAKER_04: Now the type three is a successful achiever, and they fear failing, being incompetent, inefficient, exposed, worthless, and definitely appearing unsuccessful or not being admired.
51:07
SPEAKER_04: So what they're really longing for is to have value, to be admired, respected, to have high status and regard.
51:14
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so for them, what this kind of looks like, so their core weakness is deceit.
51:20
SPEAKER_04: And deceit means that they're really deceiving themselves into believing that they are only the image they're presenting to others through their successes and achievements.
51:31
SPEAKER_04: So threes think I'm only as good as my last success, basically.
51:36
SPEAKER_04: And so you'll find a lot of threes, they will tell you their accomplishments.
51:42
SPEAKER_04: So they're kind of giving you a resume on an ongoing basis.
51:45
SPEAKER_04: And the reason is, and it could be little things to big things, and the reason is for them to feel loved or admired and respected, is you would have to know what they accomplished in order to know that they're worthy of that love and admiration.
52:01
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
52:02
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so some people are like, why do you keep telling me, you know, all of these things about yourself?
52:08
SPEAKER_04: Well, they feel like they have to because you're not there all the time when they're accomplishing all these things.
52:13
SPEAKER_04: And so why would you love them if you don't know what they've accomplished?
52:17
SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
52:17
SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah.
52:19
SPEAKER_00: Do you think, do you find with any of these numbers that um a male or female has a harder or easier time being certain numbers?
52:29
SPEAKER_00: Or identifying it even?
52:32
SPEAKER_04: Well, um, I'm not sure about identifying it.
52:36
SPEAKER_04: Um, but yes, I would acknowledge it too.
52:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and a lot of it has to do with um society norms.
52:42
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, what's accepted or unaccepted.
52:45
SPEAKER_04: Um, I would say it has to do more with that than anything else.
52:48
SPEAKER_04: Gotcha.
52:49
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so yeah, there are some types that maybe culturally that's more feminine in that culture, and then you might go to a different country and it's completely different.
52:59
SPEAKER_04: Um we'll get to the fives in a second, but in our culture, fives haven't been um, you know, it's not like oh, you're type five, you're so popular, and you're, you know, gotcha.
53:10
SPEAKER_04: The renowned ones.
53:11
SPEAKER_04: Threes are definitely one of those in our culture.
53:15
SPEAKER_04: They're the winners, the achievers, they're successful, they they look good.
53:20
SPEAKER_04: Um, it's very uh American.
53:22
SPEAKER_04: Yes, the American dream.
53:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
53:24
SPEAKER_04: Right.
53:24
SPEAKER_04: And whereas a type five is more intellectual and um studious and uh quiet withdrawn.
53:32
SPEAKER_04: Well, in Japan, that would be much more admired.
53:35
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
53:36
SPEAKER_00: So again, it's just a lot of it has to do with well, even in the Christian culture, I could see that most people would want to be a two.
53:44
SPEAKER_00: And I know that twos that can often be the first thing because we do do a lot of what twos do because that's you know twister.
53:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is a because you know, like that's what the Christian is supposed to do, which is not just the servant.
54:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, but sometimes we kind of again we're talking about what motivates you, not what you're actually doing.
54:05
SPEAKER_04: Right, exactly.
54:06
SPEAKER_04: And yeah, you're absolutely right.
54:07
SPEAKER_04: In the two or in the Christian world, uh women are pretty much expected to be twos or two like.
54:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
54:15
SPEAKER_00: Because I could see even threes, women like for men, it's more acceptable to be showcasing your accomplishments and your achievements, where as women, even though it's a little it's becoming more acceptably normal.
54:28
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, even a hundred years ago that would have been like, oh, what a you know, like um Molly Brown, for example, like she was a probably a driven three or an eight even, but like it was just completely unacceptable in that Victorian era.
54:43
SPEAKER_00: Um there was just, you know, it doesn't matter what you do, it's about the home that you keep and keeping up with society.
54:49
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I would have yeah, right, right.
54:52
SPEAKER_00: So sorry, we derailed, but I just think it's a fascinating.
54:55
SPEAKER_04: I think I think derailing is always fun.
54:57
SPEAKER_04: It gives us time to reflect on the types.
55:00
SPEAKER_04: Now, the message that the three longs to hear is you are loved and valued for just being you.
55:06
SPEAKER_04: You don't have to achieve to earn my love.
55:08
SPEAKER_04: And of course, that's exactly what the gospel says.
55:11
SPEAKER_04: Um, I know we we all want to, not just the threes, but we all think humanly that we should earn our way to heaven.
55:18
SPEAKER_04: That's just naturally what we try to do in some form or fashion.
55:22
SPEAKER_04: But it's by grace alone, through faith alone.
55:26
SPEAKER_04: And that's because of what Christ did.
55:28
SPEAKER_04: And he came because he loves and values us and wants relationship with us.
55:33
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so it's not based off of earning and success and your image.
55:38
SPEAKER_04: It's solely based on he sees you for who you are and he loves you.
55:42
SPEAKER_04: And that's an important message for the threes to um really soak in.
55:47
SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
55:48
SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right.
55:48
SPEAKER_00: Let's go to the four.
55:50
SPEAKER_01: Ashley's favorites.
55:51
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk.
55:52
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's my favorite, but it's what I probably am.
55:56
SPEAKER_04: Right.
55:56
SPEAKER_04: And that's actually that is a good thing to comment on is that most of the time when people find their type, it's usually really rough at the beginning because it's so exposing, yes, not just to the high parts of you, which is great, but the very lowest of low parts.
56:11
SPEAKER_04: And what people usually do is they gravitate towards the low parts and feel very exposed.
56:18
SPEAKER_04: Um, but you know, in that, that's where grace is really found in freedom.
56:23
SPEAKER_00: Do you think that's actually why people have a hard time identifying?
56:27
SPEAKER_00: Is it's that being honest with yourself about the the negative things?
56:31
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I guess again, I'm I'm a struggling I d to identify.
56:35
SPEAKER_00: So is it because I really don't want to be honest about what motivates me?
56:39
SPEAKER_04: I think it's I think that can be part of for part of it for some people.
56:42
SPEAKER_04: I wouldn't say that's for all people.
56:44
SPEAKER_04: Um because when I have people that struggle between types, a lot of it's just that they have a lot of um, they have two or three types that they're using a lot.
56:52
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
56:52
SPEAKER_04: Um so it's more just think about that for me.
56:55
SPEAKER_00: It's really because I'm just using so many types.
56:57
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
56:58
SPEAKER_01: I went into a depression when I read about the worst side of the four.
57:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm still trying to get to the positive side because I'm still stuck on.
57:04
SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh my word, I'm shallow.
57:05
SPEAKER_01: I actually don't care about any people.
57:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm just trying to get this need met.
57:08
SPEAKER_01: I push, pull, come closer, go away, come closer, go away.
57:11
SPEAKER_01: It's like relationally, and I thought, I'm actually a horrible person.
57:15
SPEAKER_04: No.
57:17
SPEAKER_04: Well, and it's and I'll just tell you, as a coach, when clients come to me, each of the types kind of come with a certain perspective.
57:25
SPEAKER_04: So the ones usually come and they'll say, I think I'm a one, but I just need you to know that I'm an unhealthy one.
57:30
SPEAKER_04: Well, that's because your inner critic is berating you down to the lowest part.
57:35
SPEAKER_02: That's hilarious.
57:36
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
57:36
SPEAKER_04: Um, but yeah, the fours will feel this kind of a similar, but it's more of a shame.
57:40
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
57:41
SPEAKER_04: Like I'm definitely down here, and they have a hard time seeing the positive.
57:45
SPEAKER_04: And so each type kind of has their bent in how they even see their own type.
57:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
57:50
SPEAKER_04: Um, and then of course, I get the joy of saying, no, that's not true.
57:54
SPEAKER_04: Let's let's look at the the glorious positives that God, that how we reflect God in his glory.
57:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
58:00
SPEAKER_04: Um, so with that, we will talk about the type four, which is the romantic individualist.
58:06
SPEAKER_04: Um, now their core fear is being inadequate, emotionally cut off, plain and mundane, defective and flawed, and they definitely fear being without a very specific significance or identity.
58:20
SPEAKER_04: Now, their core desire is to be unique, special, and always authentic to who they really are.
58:27
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
58:27
SPEAKER_04: Uh that's very important to them.
58:29
SPEAKER_04: Um, and how to understand this comes from their core weakness, which is envy.
58:34
SPEAKER_04: Um, now, envy is there because they feel like there's something fundamentally missing in them or something tragically flawed.
58:42
SPEAKER_04: And so envy leads them to feel that others possess qualities that they lack.
58:48
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so they're longing for these missing pieces.
58:51
SPEAKER_04: So, what I how I help people to understand it is if the three of us were doing a puzzle, which represented ourselves, um, and it's a beautiful, glorious puzzle, um, the four would feel like they have missing pieces.
59:05
SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, there's two or three missing pieces.
59:07
SPEAKER_04: And as we all know, if we're doing a puzzle and there's missing pieces at the end, it's frustrating because it's like yes, it's like this could have been so beautiful, but it's not.
59:17
SPEAKER_04: Um, and that's how the four feels about them internally, that there's something missing or tragically flawed.
59:24
SPEAKER_04: Um, and that everyone else is puzzles or perfect and glorious and beautiful.
59:28
SPEAKER_04: But the good news is that's not true, but it feels absolutely true to the four.
59:34
SPEAKER_04: Um, and so what they long for, what they long to hear is you are seen and loved for exactly who you are, special and unique.
59:43
SPEAKER_04: And that's exactly what the gospel is, because God created each of us uniquely different and special.
59:50
SPEAKER_04: He didn't make a mistake, he didn't make a flaw, he didn't make something that's defective.
59:56
SPEAKER_04: Now, yes, we all um have sin, but because of Christ, we're made whole again.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_04: And so we're not creative, defective, and flawed.
1:00:06
SPEAKER_04: We're not created with something missing.
1:00:09
SPEAKER_04: Now, depravity, you know, yes, that's there, but that's not in how God created us.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_04: And so if we realize that we are whole and complete and we reflect God's glory in a beautiful way, it helps the forest to realize that there's not something inherently wrong with you and that we can we can lay envy aside.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_04: Now that's hard because that's the core weakness, so it pops up and pops up constantly, yes.
1:00:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and so all of our core weaknesses will always be there, kind of like I said, with a thorn on your side, like please take this away from me.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_04: But God will make his power perfect in our weakness, but it doesn't mean it's gonna go away.
1:00:44
SPEAKER_04: It just means that we constantly have to bring the gospel to bear on that message, meaning, yeah, so whenever a four feels they're defective in someone else is whole, we can bring the gospel immediately into that situation and say, I know it feels absolutely true, but what is true is that I am not defective and flawed.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_04: God created me perfectly unique and different, and that's a good thing.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that doesn't mean you're gonna feel it's in the moment.
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SPEAKER_01: I have a love-hate relationship with my uniqueness.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like on the one hand, I want to demand it.
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SPEAKER_01: No, I have to be myself.
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SPEAKER_01: And Amy and I have this conversation sometimes, like, okay, are you sure you want to do this with me?
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SPEAKER_01: Because I need to be able to express myself, but if I can't, if it's gonna affect you or impact you, then maybe you shouldn't.
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SPEAKER_01: And but then on the other hand, I'm like, God, why am I so weird?
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SPEAKER_01: It's just this constant, I need to be me.
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SPEAKER_01: I am so weird all the time.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yes, I see the wrestle.
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SPEAKER_04: And so that's where you know you can be unique and different because God created you that way, and we need all nine types.
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SPEAKER_04: We don't want um just beige.
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SPEAKER_04: If you think about all of us being a beautiful oriental rug with, you know, beautiful colors.
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SPEAKER_04: Well, guess what?
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SPEAKER_04: You have to have some beige in there, which you know, I'm not saying what type it is, though there are some types like myself that are fine just being beige and normal and blended into the background.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_04: But if we were if we were all a beige rug, that's not that's that's yeah, that wouldn't be great.
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SPEAKER_04: And so we have to have all the different colors and beauty and and things that stand out.
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SPEAKER_04: And so if people realize that God has gifted all of us and made us in different unique ways to be one body that brings him glory, then if we're okay with the fact that we're our type, and yes, on this side of heaven there's struggles, but that doesn't mean he hasn't come and he has completed what we need until we go to heaven.
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SPEAKER_04: Um but it's a constant struggle.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, and so when I work with fours, a lot of it is helping them to see that yeah, you are unique and different.
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SPEAKER_04: So one thing that's hard for fours with the Enneagram or other personalities is like, don't put me in a box, you know.
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SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, you're already in a box, yeah, right.
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SPEAKER_04: Let let me help you get out of the box because really what I'm trying to do as an Enneagram coach is it's not that you're not gonna be a different number later.
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SPEAKER_04: It's that your personality is trying to convince you of these core lies that you are defective and flawed, and it's constraining you to behave in certain ways that aren't beneficial to you.
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SPEAKER_04: And so my whole goal is to bring the gospel and to free you.
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SPEAKER_04: So it's you you're still a four, but you're at your healthiest parts of four.
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SPEAKER_04: And when we're at our healthiest, we actually tap into the high side of other numbers, and so we're more free.
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SPEAKER_04: We can be more our authentic self and not restrained by these thought processes we have.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: This is good.
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SPEAKER_04: So that was four.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so have you figured out your number yet?
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SPEAKER_00: Or do you have any guesses?
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SPEAKER_00: Or maybe you're really annoyed that we had to end today's show here.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, we would love to hear what you think your number is and also whether or not you like the fact that you're that number.
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SPEAKER_00: Because once you start understanding what your number is, you're gonna start wondering what all your friends' numbers are.
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