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7. Building Healthy Prophetic Culture: Clunkiness and the Love of God · The Hearing God Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Hearing God Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Anthony Moore.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Dan Lamas.
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  Speaker 2: For over a decade, anthony and I have been diving deep into weekly conversations about the prophetic, the mystical and the matters of the heart.
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  Speaker 1: And we invite you into these weekly conversations.
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  Speaker 1: We hope you feel like an honored guest at our table, so pull up a chair, settle in and let's get started.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so here we are here we are, my friend.
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  Speaker 2: Here we are again, gladly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how's it going, dan?
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  Speaker 2: It's going really well, yeah, yeah, going really well yeah just continuing to grow.
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, just uh.
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  Speaker 2: Continuing to grow, uh, appreciating the opportunity coming.
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  Speaker 2: Coming out of summer, uh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Or coming to the end of summer and knowing gonna get to be around people again that I haven't seen for a while yeah, it's gonna be, it's gonna be nice yeah, yeah, that's.
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  Speaker 1: That's an interesting dynamic that maybe not a lot of people would be aware.
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  Speaker 1: Just for us here, you know, at King's Church, you know, July is a heavy vacation month, like lots of you know.
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  Speaker 1: Lots of people are taking vacation, Some take it in August, but really the heavy vacation month is really July.
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  Speaker 2: July, that's right yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, totally like we're squarely into August now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Really coming out of that, really looking forward to the fall and you know planning and dreaming and getting details in order for all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely Our part of the world.
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  Speaker 2: Here.
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  Speaker 2: It feels to me, anyway, like there's so much motivational energy going on in August, coming to September and October, people feel, hey, let's finish the year well, let's you know, like for this coming year, what are the things I'm going to be committed to?
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  Speaker 2: What kind of things am I going to run after with other people, right, and it's just kind of a it's a refreshing time in an interesting way.
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  Speaker 2: So, anyway, kind of looking forward to that, and how are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing great actually, I just wanted to say, like you know again, if you've been listening, we normally record these podcasts early wednesday morning, just coming out of our prayer room.
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: So I just want to shout out the prayer room that, if you're, you know within driving distance of King's Church and specifically the location here in Quispam Cis, that please, you're welcome to join us at 6.30 in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, we have a prayer room at noon and we have a prayer room at 7 pm on Wednesdays.
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  Speaker 1: So just throwing that out there as a public invitation, but I guess I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 1: I feel excited and energized for the future.
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  Speaker 1: I feel expectant.
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  Speaker 1: I also feel a little just sober-minded about the things.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the Lord wants to do, like just a bit of a sober, just a bit of a sober sense in my spirit about just, you know, like wanting him to do the things he wants to do, cause I really believe you know that he's good.
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: Right, and so the things that he does are ultimately good, and also for me.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I want to, you know, partner with that.
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  Speaker 1: Like, yes, I want to.
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  Speaker 1: I want to partner with that because he wants me to partner, to whatever degree that is.
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  Speaker 1: And I also don't want to get in the way Right, and you know, in and by getting in the way I would say, I would probably say this like me in my imperfect, clunky humanness isn't getting in the way.
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  Speaker 1: How I would get in the way is actually like having like an incorrect posture of the heart.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's how we get in the way Wow.
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  Speaker 2: That's really good.
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  Speaker 2: So, to use your word, you know, the clunkiness of my humanness isn't really the problem, right?
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  Speaker 2: If I hear you right, it's like what is my reaction to my clunkiness being, you know, showing up in all of its glory, totally Like, what do I do with that?
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  Speaker 2: And when you talk about your heart, posture or whatever, if my heart is like, oh, there I go again.
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  Speaker 2: I disdain myself.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, ah wow, what's the matter with me?
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  Speaker 2: That heart reaction, that's way more important to look at that than my clunkiness or whatever Because.
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  Speaker 2: I think, here's.
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  Speaker 1: We would look at that as a little bit like if you've.
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  Speaker 1: We would look at that as a little bit like you know, if you've.
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  Speaker 1: You know, remember the times when you had, you know, a three or four year old who just wants to help, and their clunkiness, from our human perspective, is that, like you're not I love you, you're not being helpful.
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  Speaker 1: I actually think that that's not the picture that God has of us.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because he knows our frame, he knows the limitations.
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  Speaker 1: We would say.
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  Speaker 1: My inability to speak eloquently or pray eloquently is actually getting in the way of God when God actually says no, I actually want you to do that, in spite of how you feel about yourself.
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  Speaker 1: That actually co-labors with me in the work of my kingdom Right, where what God would look at.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just throwing it out there that my sense of what God would look at as getting in the way is like a hard heart, stubbornness, pride, unforgiveness.
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  Speaker 2: You know those kinds of things Like that's getting in the way Like areas of my life that I haven't invited the Lord into.
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  Speaker 1: That's getting in the way of what he's doing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, or you know, I think the.
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: Lord has lots of mercy, for you know our inability to you know see things correctly.
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  Speaker 1: You know correctly as they are.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Lord has a lot of mercy and a leeway for our human frailties like eloquence, ability to get a job done.
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  Speaker 1: There's lots of things that people would disqualify.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not good at that, whatever meaning.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not proficient at speaking or sharing or breaking down biblical truths or I don't know even just like relating to people, right.
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  Speaker 1: So I think the Lord's just looking for availability.
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  Speaker 1: So that seems that's very much the trend right.
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  Speaker 1: So I think the Lord's just looking for availability, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that seems that's very much the trend, right.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, the Lord's really looking for a humble heart and someone who is available, who's just willing to say, yes, right.
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: It's like we were in the program this morning.
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  Speaker 1: We were reading from Isaiah 6, it's that the grand vision that Isaiah has, right.
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  Speaker 1: And again he hears the Lord saying whom shall I send who will go for us?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, right, he's actually just looking for someone to go right.
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  Speaker 1: So who's the one who said you know?
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  Speaker 1: And the person who hears the Lord goes, you know, probably reacts in some measure like Isaiah did.
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  Speaker 1: Like, okay, number one.
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  Speaker 1: Woe is me.
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  Speaker 1: Like I am a man of unclean lips and I live among a people of unclean lips, right.
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  Speaker 1: So, there's that reaction, but then there's the, the response in in response to the.
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  Speaker 1: The question who will?
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  Speaker 1: Who shall we send?
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  Speaker 1: Like, who will go for us?
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  Speaker 1: It's, it's the here I am, that's what he's looking for, everything like we, in some varying degree, have a response of that, right, it's like so.
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  Speaker 1: It's like god's looking to say who will go and minister to these people?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and most people would respond like I would love to do that.
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  Speaker 2: However, I got these, all these limitations you know and how many times I'm thinking about jeremiah like I'm thinking about jeremiah's call right, he brought his list of all the reasons.
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, he was like I'm young.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And God was like okay, I can still work with that man, right.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like don't be afraid, you know, or else you'll have plenty of reason to be afraid that you won't like, but it was really like it's not.
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  Speaker 1: We build a list of reasons why God can't use us.
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  Speaker 1: That is completely different than his reasons.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, right, and I would postulate, like us building the reasons, like us building that list, is a reason that he wouldn't use us, right, yeah?
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  Speaker 1: right, like the actual fact of building the list, building the list of disqualifications.
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  Speaker 1: I know we've talked about this, we seem to be hammering on this, but I would say, but I would say like to to circle back a little to keep it in line of getting in the way of God.
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  Speaker 1: Right Us me, building a list of my disqualifications is getting in the way of God.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Simply because he's just looking for availability and he's like cause.
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  Speaker 1: Again, if we go back to Isaiah, right, what was the response to his, to isaiah's response?
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  Speaker 1: Right, it was an angel, came, touched, you know, again, touched the, took the coal from the altar and touched his legs right now it's like you know god's it's basically god's response to the you you know, to humanity, is the preparation that comes.
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  Speaker 1: You know His grace, wow, his preparation that comes, and so yeah.
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  Speaker 2: For me.
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  Speaker 2: I need to take a moment right here and just catch what you're throwing, because I want to receive that and everybody who's listening in this moment.
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: I just want to catch what Anthony just shared.
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  Speaker 2: So here's Isaiah, literally bringing his list of disqualifications.
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  Speaker 2: So, god, I'm in your awesome glory, I'm seeing you, and all I can think about right now is all the reasons I shouldn't be here right now.
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  Speaker 2: Here's my list.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so got my list of qualifications which Isaiah could have turned tail and run out of the temple.
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  Speaker 2: I'm out of here, but instead he has the whatever to just come out with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, here's all the reasons I shouldn't be here right now.
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  Speaker 2: God, yeah, and somehow that tapped into.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, something within god to say, hey, I can take care of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and not not to be flippant at all about this, but I can take care of that.
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  Speaker 2: Isaiah holds still and then in the vision, the angel comes and touches his lips with the hot coal, right, says this purifies you, and then the conversation goes on from there and he hears who will go for us?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And isaiah blurts out you're right, ah, me, yeah, like you know, here I am, send me and, and, of course god, and what's really cool is god's.
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  Speaker 2: This is a whole other thing, but you weren't saying this, but I do want to highlight it sure there's an us involved.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, god is saying who will go for us?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, father, son, holy spirit, yeah, that's worth thinking about a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: But here's this human.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's awesome that it's isaiah, but, yeah, in my opinion it could have been anybody right, right, right, god's looking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like God's looking for somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and somebody heard.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and instead of and here's what I think Anthony was saying and what I'm receiving Instead of him running away with his disqualification list, he stayed in the presence Right and said this list is breaking my heart.
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  Speaker 2: God, I love your presence, but I should not be here because here's my disqualifying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and god goes.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome, let me take care of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like wow, what, yeah, what?
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  Speaker 2: Like listeners me, dan lamis, may we not miss that right there, right, this list breaks my heart.
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  Speaker 2: God, yeah, because I have to go away.
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  Speaker 2: God goes.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good news is you don't have to go away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I can take care of that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like whoo, and this is like.
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  Speaker 2: This is like.
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  Speaker 1: And then we'll get busy doing Sure, Then we'll get then we'll get at it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to get at it, isaiah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're going to work with me.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, go for it and I, and I again, like I think I think you'll find you know, we will talk about this ad nauseum because I think it's a prevailing problem in the church today.
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  Speaker 1: Um, and so if you've if you've heard of us, if you've heard of us talk about this problem before, you will definitely hear us talk about this problem again.
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  Speaker 1: But this dynamic, this situation in theme, shows up so many times in the Bible.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it does Right, and it's such a human thing to encounter God and then feel unworthy, uh-oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I wander into a space I'm not supposed to be.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and so I just think back to just the Gideon story from Judges, I think chapter 6.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and he goes.
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  Speaker 1: The angel shows up, shows up, says mighty man of valor, which is, you know, a lesson in itself, but like he, just he then proceeds to say what do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like I am the least you know the least in my family.
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  Speaker 1: My family is the least in the tribe.
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  Speaker 1: My tribe is least in you know, the clan or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like he begins to come with, like all the reasons why I am the least qualified oh yeah, to do the thing, and then nonetheless, right, the angel of the lord is really.
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  Speaker 1: He apparently is not interested in hearing gideon disqualify himself.
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  Speaker 1: He also like I think saul also does this thing right like it, we were talking about Peter's response to Jesus this morning.
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  Speaker 1: We were praying that in the prayer room.
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  Speaker 2: Go away from me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm an evil man.
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  Speaker 1: It's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's the thing that says oh, I can't come to church or the walls will cave in church or the walls will cave in right.
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  Speaker 1: It's that thing in our heart that knows, even if we can't articulate it, that we've encountered someone other, right, something other.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: And really, and again circle back a little bit to what we've talked about, our agreement with that lie.
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  Speaker 1: Dare I say it, yes, that our agreement with that lie is getting in the way of god, because he's looking, he's like saying you know, anthony, I want, I'm, I'm inviting you, I'm asking you, yes, to do this thing, yeah, right, and so that's, let's just call that the truest thing, right then.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: And there, yeah, in the universe, yes, the truest, realest thing, and the thing that should happen, right, and would happen.
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  Speaker 1: Somehow he's presented to me and me and my free will and my dysfunction goes no, yes, right.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right Right.
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  Speaker 1: Essentially yeah, right, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so that to me is like there's the stum, there's the, there's the path, and again god in his mercy, god in his kindness, you know god.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like again there's also like hey, if you're not going to do it, I'm going to move on to somebody else right, there is that too but it is, it isn't.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: It isn't a salvation issue, but it's like God's still going to accomplish his purposes.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so I would just like to throw in there just because there's something else you had mentioned that we probably want to get to here quick in our conversation.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's okay, but I do want to just put this out here, personally's, it is a daily practice of my life to to recognize that I have things on my agenda today, yeah, that I literally do not feel qualified to do right, and they're this.
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  Speaker 2: What you're talking about flares up.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, that agreed, that here's the thing god has invited me into doing, and it's a great opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, literally on a daily basis.
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  Speaker 2: this is here for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm aware that something in me says I'm not up to that and I shouldn't be the one doing that and I'm disqualified.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: What am I going to do?
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Right, I shouldn't be the one doing that and I'm disqualified.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: What am I going to do?
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  Speaker 2: And my daily practice is to really give that to God, because it does come up regularly, daily.
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  Speaker 1: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: This is not something that goes away and it is a daily practice, like all the other things I do for my health.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Right, and it is a daily practice like all the other things I do for my health.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: For my health, I practice these things so that I can stay healthy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, honestly, to work with God in your life, to walk into the opportunities he gives every person to live for his kingdom.
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  Speaker 2: He gives every person to live for his kingdom.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to require you rejecting the lie of I'm not qualified for that.
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  Speaker 2: It will not go away.
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  Speaker 2: It is something you're going to have to rule over.
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  Speaker 2: That, in Jesus' name, you're going to have to say that is not the truth and in Jesus' name, the fact that I feel like I'm not up to it.
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  Speaker 2: You know what?
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  Speaker 2: That's probably a good invitation that God's about to anoint my lips.
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  Speaker 2: He's about to anoint me with his presence and his power to see something in that moment happen.
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  Speaker 2: That if I run away, I'm not going to get to experience Right.
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  Speaker 2: That if I step into it, there's going to be cringe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe just to say cringe is not necessarily because you're doing something wrong, right, like you could feel cringy because you're stepping out into something that's out of your comfort zone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: In Jesus' name yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And you're doing it for his glory.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Well, god's going to meet you in that and do something incredible yeah and there's no guarantee you're going to look pristine doing it no you might look very ordinary and fumbly yeah, and yet god's going to get the glory and you're going to come out of that going I I would not have wanted to miss that, so I just wanted to say literally on a daily basis.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: That is the life for me, the life of following Jesus is he just loves, calling me into stuff that I'm going to have to trust, that I'm more than a conqueror, right, it's by faith.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's so weird, dan, that you haven't arrived yet.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: It's weird, right exactly After all these years.
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  Speaker 2: Totally.
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  Speaker 2: And isn't it funny how we think we wish we would have arrived, oh, but if we get there.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: We wish we would have arrived, oh, but if we got there.
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  Speaker 1: Even if the sense of not only that we wish we would have arrived, but even a little more harsh on ourselves, we say I should be further along by now, yeah right.
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  Speaker 2: When in reality, the funny thing is, let's just say I magically, mythologically, arrived.
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  Speaker 2: I would really be disappointed now.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: What am I going to do with myself?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Like it's a funny, it's a very intriguing thing to be the new creation.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: It really is, because we think it would be a huge relief to arrive air quotes on either side of the mic right now.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: You know, we think that would be such huge relief to arrive air quotes on either side of the mic right now.
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  Speaker 2: We think that would be such a relief to have arrived.
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  Speaker 1: but really, we would be looking for the new challenge, because that's the way God has made us Agreed.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, great, but God would be like great you ready for the next moment that you haven't arrived at yet?
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Because, it's going to be fun, anyway.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: So the life of God is amazing, moment that you haven't arrived at yet, because it's going to be fun and we'll anyway.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: So so, yeah, the life of god is amazing.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: So anybody listening?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just just to know, man, if you wrestle with that, I don't think I'm qualified to do the things god has put in front of me like welcome it, welcome it like you are in amazing company.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome the challenges, like it you you are not uniquely lost and broken and you know, in unworthy like no, like god knows exactly who you are and it's worth.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: It's worth the discipline yeah, so don't get in the way of God by disqualifying yourself.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Oh man, good.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you, anthony Boom, right there.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Anthony, and God thank you.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, jesus, you made the way.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I do want to like, if we can just shift a little bit the conversation, like, I really feel, like you know, in these weeks we haven't been talking a little bit about just building a healthy prophetic culture and just really what that looks like.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Right, you know, I really want to just shift to that, because there's a couple things that I want to unpack today, um, and really it's like there's a couple things and I think one of the things I want to talk about just for maybe for a few minutes, is, like, the love of god, um, and maybe I don't know, I'm sure you've had these moments in your life where, um, you know, there's all kinds of reasons, let's say, there's all kinds of reasons.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: There's God, there's all kinds of things that God does when he moves, when he speaks, when he's present and he's valued, his presence is valued in a community.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: There's all kinds of things that he does, but it's all an outflow of his love.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, it's all an outflow of his love for, not just for humanity but also the individual, and I think that that's the foundation for a healthy prophetic culture, right, like you know, when we think about the prophetic and especially when I teach it, you know our prophetic class and just hearing God, all of that One of the things like we always spend a few minutes talking about this fact, right, if you look at 1 Corinthians 12, and 1 Corinthians 12 talks a lot about the gifts of the Spirit, like the charismatic expression of the Holy Spirit, like charism, expression of the Holy Spirit, like charism.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: And then 1 Corinthians 14 talks a lot about prophecy and purpose of prophecy and the difference between the effect of prophecy, the reason why, how it functions and how it functions in a new covenant, a new testament, the age that we live in, how it works.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: But nestled in between 12 and 14 is chapter 13, which many people who've ever been to a wedding would have known as the love chapter, and I would propose to you that and again I say this when we teach it 1 Corinthians 13 is not the wedding chapter.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: It's actually way more connected to the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the expression of the Holy Spirit.
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  Speaker 1: It's way more foundational to those things like it's the love sandwich, right, if love is at the core, the two pieces of bread, so to speak, that sandwich love are prophecy and the gifts of the Spirit right, and if you look at that, as a love sandwich in the Bible.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: You don't have to like my analogy, but I think it's theologically true that any outflow or any expression, authentic expression of the gifts and the manifestations of the Holy Spirit are very connected to the love of God.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: And so if that's true in its authenticity, we must just realize that the whole point of me giving someone a prophetic word if I come up to you and I just have a word from you, you should actually feel loved by God.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: That's actually one of the fruit of receiving a word like that.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I know that from my experience, right so just to say.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I'm really appreciating this because I'm thinking back over 1 Corinthians 13, you know and I love.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: You didn't use this word exactly, but it does make me think of this.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: As you know, source, foundation, like that, any conversation about spiritual gifts, yeah, and then you know what a prophetic gifting or how the prophetic grace gets worked out in a community of people.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: And here's some guidelines on how to do that.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, always remembering that the source and the foundation of that, that all this stuff, springs out of love.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: It's like that seems to be.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: What 1 Corinthians 13 does is that this can't get disconnected from the source and from the foundation of where all this comes from is love, and it's the always love.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I would just say right.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Since I do a lot of weddings, I'll highlight verse 7 of chapter 13, which says love always hopes, always trusts, always protects, always perseveres.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Right, and I'll put it to the crowd and the couple that I'm marrying yeah, what's the most important word in that verse?
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Right, I'll say.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Some people might choose persevere, right.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Some might choose trust, some might choose protect.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Which one means the most to you?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: I say well, you know what.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Some might choose protect.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Which one means the most to you?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Say, well, you know what.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: The word that means the most to me is always Right, because human beings can't always deliver this Right.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: And so today you're making this promise that you will do this.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: But in your humanness you don't have what it takes to always bring that.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: But God does.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like the love is the don't, the always is the connection to the source, it's, it's um.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: So for a spiritual gifting or a spiritual community be healthy, they can't afford to disconnect right from the love, because god always loves.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, god always does that, and so the degree to which we partner with him in this expression is the degree to which his love.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be blessed and it's gonna be kingdom and, I think, an important clarification to make too, is just like or coloring it in a little bit better, is actually like it's not love from a human perspective.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's actually love from God.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: It's actually God's love from a human perspective.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's actually love from God.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: It's actually God's love from God's perspective.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I do want to just highlight to further reinforce the sandwich.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Right, like, if you read the tail end of 1 Corinthians 12, paul says and now I will show you a better way.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Right, so he's leading into.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: It's like, so, they're not islands under themselves, even though we've broken them up into chapters, right, so Paul at the end of 12 goes, and now I will show you a better way.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and at the very beginning of 1 Corinthians 14, right, he goes pursue love eagerly, desire spiritual gifts, especially that you prophesy.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Right, so he's actually, he's actually connecting 12 and 13 and 13 and 14.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Right, even, by the way, that he, he, yeah, you know, he, he didn't write the chapter.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Right, we put the chapters in.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Totally right, so he's actually, it's the it's.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: So he's actually it's basically a flow of thought, right?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: So it's like okay, here's the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Right, Are we all doing it?
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: No, Okay, but yet boil over with passion for the higher gifts.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Let me hit love as the core and then go into like, okay, so pursue love.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, we've covered love, right.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: It's like Paul's pausing and it's like what is the activity of the Holy Spirit?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: What is working and partnering?
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: What happens to people when the Holy Spirit moves in them and through them?
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: These kinds of things.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: He pauses to hit the love of god right and then continues his thought about the gifts of the holy spirit in this, you know, in this expression of like, okay, you know, pursue love.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: You know eagerly desire spiritual gifts, and especially that you prophesied so yeah like I think I, you know, I think this is, this is a dynamic that I really try to drive home with people as they lean into and as they take some maybe people like again, like for our house, like there's still, you know, for, as comfortable as we are with prophetic words and as comfortable as we are with, you know, some of the manifestations of the Holy Spirit, for a lot of people there's still lots of ignorance, dare I say it like that right, they just don't know.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: And so one of the things that we drive home is actually the root of this is love, god.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Ultimately, first of all, god is love.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: He defines it by who he is, and also he wants to meet people, and one of the ways that he does that is God tangibly, tangibly, mystically, tangibly encounters people with his love through others.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: And that can happen, you know a bunch of different ways, but one of the ways that happens is by you know a prophetic word or a word of knowledge or you know, a dream interpretation, when someone you know all the there's like all the spiritual and maybe even the more mystical things that can happen.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: When we bump into those things, we experience them, we hear God speak.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's the thing I want to hit.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: When we hear God speak, the fruit of that, you know, should be right if we don't get in the way.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Right, the fruit of that that should be is that we feel so loved by God, yes, that he number one would just see us.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: You know, we are aware a little bit of our insignificance and there's some degree of that.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: That's healthy because we're seeing things correctly, um, but I just I feel like that god wants his people to know, like not just head knowledge, but encounter at a heart level, how much he loves them.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, and one of the ways that happens is through through a prophetic word, um, or some other expression of, like a manifestation of the holy spirit, right and so.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: So that's the thing I think you know just, yes, I want to, just I know I'm I'm talking an awful lot here, but I just want to, I want to highlight, and it's so worth building and called like so worth building, it's so worth a community paying a price to do that yeah, I do when I I want to hit like this this one moment I I you know I had with the love of god.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: yeah, you know it was, um, you know it was when I was I was 19 years old and you know there was a lot of things going on in my life.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Right, there was a whole lot of mess, there's a whole lot of dysfunction and like I had been hungry for god, right, yeah, and like I'm gonna, I'm gonna show you unpack a little bit, I guess, in this story I want to pack to people like a little bit of I'm going to tell my story about my encounter with the love of God and, again, like I'm forever changed by that, like that's still marked, that's so marked my life and affected me in such a profound way.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: And it was like this so I was 19 years old I was in a service you know service at the church I grew up in and it was like they used to do altar calls.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: We do things a little differently.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: We invite people for prayer here, but there was just an altar call.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: They used to call them 20 years ago and I'm sure lots of people.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Is that complete with an altar you could kneel down at?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: No, not in my church.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Although we did kneel down, there was lots of kneeling in pews.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: But there was this time where so I had been feeling there's a lot more to this story, but I had been feeling an increased level of hunger for the things of God.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: In the middle of all my mess I had just been, my heart was sort of burning.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: There was a real sense in the middle of all my mess I had just been, my heart was sort of burning.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: There was a real sense in the services, the church services, that we'd been having a real sense of the presence of God.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: There was just sort of an increased anticipation, an increased potency, and so my heart was so, so, so stirred to that.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And during this altar call there was a whole lot of other things.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: But know, during this altar call there was a whole lot of other things.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: But just specifically during this altar call, I went forward and I remember having this interaction with God where I felt an invitation, like I was just standing there, there was nothing, you know nothing, specifically happening to me, and I was just standing there and I felt this invitation from the Lord.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: It was like a little whisper of an invitation to surrender and it wasn't loud.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: It was very quiet.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: And you know, it was like an invitation to surrender all of me to the Lord.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: That's as best as I can articulate what that was like.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: And then, as soon as, and again, as soon as I said yes, and it wasn't like a shot of lightning, but it was almost like a trickle of the love of God started to encounter me, and then it turned into a stream, and then it turned into like a brook and then a river.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: And then Like in that moment In that moment, like over the course.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you how long.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Sure but Like how that buildup happened.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: But there in that room, there in that room over the course of maybe.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Maybe it took a minute for that to sort of build into what it did.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know but, but there I was as a 19 year old kid, yeah, like enshrouded by the love of god oh man and, and I would say that and again, and I was there for I have no idea how long, and if you've ever heard me tell my story about sort of my first encounter with God, like you know I don't.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: All I know is there was a guy with me praying and we were there for I don't know how long, and then it could have been half an hour, it could have been 45 minutes an hour, I have no idea.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Time sort of disappeared.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: All I do know is that when we had that experience and then the Holy Spirit sort of lifted and I opened my eyes, everyone was gone except for my family and okay, my pastor, yeah, so.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: So there was this.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: There was this indefinite amount of time where I was just like, yeah, centered, yeah in and and shrouded by.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: You know I'm I think people would, might, might, say that like liquid love.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Right, I've heard that people describe and count the love of God as liquid love, but I felt to me like I was in this orb of a love of God and it was almost as if and I'm pretty sure this is true like almost as if that God was so interested in loving me and he was so disinterested in loving me, all my disqualifications and all my mess right, all my clunkiness, he was he.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: In that moment, the purity of it was like he wanted to meet with the real Anthony.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, the real me, yeah, and in that moment, like again, this is forever.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: This is forever changed my life.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there I was as a kid, and so I hear you know, just, I feel like.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like in some degree have I experienced that love in that way?
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Hard to say, I don't know if I've ever.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: From that point on, there have been times where I've been undone and broken and experiencing the love of God in my life and so very tangible, powerful moments with the Lord.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know if maybe there's some uniqueness in it because it was the first time I had experienced the Lord like that.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, I don't know why, yeah.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Again, I can only just say I was hungry, I was really hungry.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: God was moving and I responded to his invitation.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: And then he did what he did.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how did you say that?
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I think you said his desire for me, to know his love, to love me.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Right for me to know his love to love me, his desire to love the real Anthony, yeah.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Man that's so powerful.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so powerful it is true because, again, this is the part right God wants to love the real, dan.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, God wants to love the real whoever right, because he sees and addresses us as who he created us.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: And so it's like I can't promise that exact experience for people, that exact experience for people.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: However, I do think this is that God will respond to hungry hearts, and so, okay, that's kind of just it.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: God responds, he won't withhold himself from hungry hearts.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: His promise is you'll find me when you seek me with all your heart.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: The promise is the fulfillment of right.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Where we fall off is the seeking him with all our heart, right.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: So, but I do want to, just I don't want to get off too far into that because.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I do want to keep harping on the love of God, right, I do want to harp, harping on the love of God, yes, right, I do want to harp on it being such a foundational part of like it's hard to you know, like we can't be a healthy prophetic culture, you know, without loving like God.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, it's the full.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: You know, we prayed into it this morning the running, hugging, kissing Father.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, it's the full.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: You know, we prayed into it this morning the running, hugging, kissing Father.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Right, it's the full.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Like you know, it's the prodigal trying to get the reasons, like his repentance, out of his mouth.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: The Father was just so ecstatic, like he couldn't get, like he was, just like he wouldn't let him talk.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: He was like you're here.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: It's that joy, perhaps, it's that powerful moment of connection, and this is what the.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Father's looking for in for everybody.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Not just me, not just you, but for everybody.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: The Father's looking for that connection and he's so overjoyed that he would undignify himself right and run to his son right.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Who has returned not interested in the rehearsed lines of like let me just be a servant in your house.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Let me just be a servant in your house.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: It's like the Father's joy over joyedness and the power of that love.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Connection is like the presence, it's like proximity, it's like you were gone, you were lost, but now you're here with me in my house.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: That's a powerful thing and I feel like, if I can just sort of unpack that for people, it's really like you need to hear this morning that His this morning or maybe you're listening on your drive home you need to hear that the Lord, that God Himself, is burning with a desire.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: He's burning with a desire to connect with you.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: He's burning with a desire to have you in his presence, right, right, yeah, to meet with you, to connect with you, to be close with you.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's burning with the desire.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: You know he paid the ultimate price for that connection to happen.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: This isn't about you.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: You know going, you know getting saved and then trying to behave yourself.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: It's so much more than that Right.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: It's so much more than that, right, the deeper the mystical part of this is that you and I get to be in unbroken proximity and connection with God himself, right, and so that's the thing, right, and so, again, circling, give a prophetic word, a dream interpretation.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: We give a word of knowledge or whatever, or healing, let's just call it a healthy environment where the Holy Spirit is at.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Is that these kinds of things happen to people, right?
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: When it's real, these kinds of things, they don't fall in love with.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: How great, you did your thing, right, they don't fall in love or they don't idolize the gifting.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: They fall in love with the creator, they fall in love with the savior because of this thing that was spoken to them, and so I just you know again.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: So I just I feel like the pieces of the sort of the strands are coming together a little bit but just that people understand that the expression of the Holy Spirit, the gift of the Holy Spirit, a healthy prophetic culture, these things aren't for the sake of just doing them unto.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: We don't do them just for the sake of doing them.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: There's a greater purpose.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's either.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: There's a greater purpose and a greater foundation to actually the expression of the Holy Spirit.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: It's so that people encounter the love of like god himself, who is love okay?
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: yeah, yeah.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: So let me take a shot at it.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Go for it there.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: A healthy, prophetic community is an expression of being loved by god.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, not getting god to love me yes, it's a.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: It's receiving yeah, it's an expression of people who've been loved by God, sharing that with others, by sharing His Word, so that the people who are receiving that can wake up to the fact that they are very loved by God.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fact that they are very loved by god, yeah, and um that that we are all we are all designed to be as your to use your word to be enshrouded, you know with the love of god, like, yes, like this is we like every like it's funny.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Uh, you said you mentioned you know you kind of time stamped it with this morning, but you know, what's really cool about the revelation of God in Scripture is that there is a chronological time, but, more importantly, there's a when, the time is right, the fullness of time.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Like that.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: And what's the Greek Kairos?
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Kairos.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: But just yeah, and the fullness, like when the moment was right.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Such and such happens.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that to every person who's listening to us.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: We can't guarantee to you what that experience is going to be like.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there is a kairos moment that you, if you have, like that is for you.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, god is preparing for, watching, for walking with you, bringing you to moments, yeah, where it's not about show up at this certain date at this certain time, yeah, it's about he's so excited for that moment to be right.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that you will experience exactly what we're talking about over and over again, that the, that the you are designed to be enshrouded with the love of god and then have that affect what you hear from him?
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: yeah, the way you deliver it.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the way you move in.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Community is an expression that we are loved deeply by god, and he absolutely, and he longs for that interaction like he can't wait for that kairos moment where yes, you fully awaken to.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: You know, I am so loved by God and it's almost too much for me.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: I can't handle this because I'm so aware that God loves loving me Like he really does.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: He really does.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: He likes me experiencing His love, and that's so amazing.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I love that, yeah, and so I think what was it gonna?
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: what was it gonna hit?
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Hopefully it didn't evade me, but, um, I think, I think it's really.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, just go back and say what you're saying just about.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Uh, uh, maybe it, maybe it's gone, but I I think, yeah, right, so here's the thing I wanted to hit.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: It's like I can't promise anyone when this is going to happen right.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I think people again, they might discourage.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: You might have had a season where you and I would say this too, right In humility, I would say I'm sure there are encounters with god that I have missed, right?
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just just full disclosure, right?
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just like, but I will say that I it's the promise of that.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: He will, yes, he will do it, and I don't say that from my own, you know, my own experience is one thing, but in deference to the Word of God, right.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Like there's my foundation, right.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: It's the promise that you know, the promise he gave to Jeremiah.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's like that you will seek me or, sorry, you will find me when you seek me with all your heart, and so I think that's the foundational part of it, and so I think that's the foundational part of it.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: It's that some of these profound moments with the Lord more than just experiencing Him in a very peaceful way in a worship service which is beautiful.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Well, let me encourage people with this it's not original thought with me, but I love it that we are designed with an undying thirst and God meets that because he is the undying flow of living water.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Like you might miss a moment.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: God really doesn't want you to throw away time and energy regretting that.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: He wants you to bring your thirst to him.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Like, if you're like, oh, I think I missed it and missed it, oh, when's that going to come around again?
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Like, listen, you're thirsty and the good news is there is an eternal flow of living water and this is a good moment, like, do not waste another moment regretting.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I missed my moment yeah you know what, like you are designed by god with an undying thirst.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just bring it to him.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Bring it to him from wherever you are, because that it's an un, it's an unending flow of love like it's beautiful like yeah, and we don't yeah yeah, I just say like.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Two is like, even if you're listening and you feel like you've had seasons of hunger in your past, in in the past, and maybe like either a you felt like you missed it, you feel disappointed, you feel like you failed or whatever, this is not the time to just stay down in the doldrums of where you are.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: This is a time to pick yourself up.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: And this is a time to pick yourself up and then renew and repurpose again in your heart to keep chasing, chasing after God, not necessarily an experience, but a connection.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Right, it's like let God determine how.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Like, if there's, you know, if there's an experience that he wants you to have, like let God do that.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Right, and I found that too.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: It found that for sure in my life of I would say this, very, very I'm not sure every encounter with God.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: It's probably reasonable to say that every encounter with God has had some sort of uniqueness to it.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: In a lot of ways, however, the underlying theme of those encounters has been love, yes, right and so.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: So to me, it's my, my encouragement to you know, if you've made it this far into the podcast, that my encouragement to, to anyone listening would be like like reawaken your hunger, right.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Reawaken that.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: You know get up, you know pick your.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Pick yourself up by your bootstraps, right.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know but whatever, just I don't want to get slid off here, but just get up, repurpose again in your heart, maybe quiet your heart here in this moment, and just renew and afresh your commitment to just go after God, not for the sake of the list of the do's and don'ts, but for the sake of connection, for the sake of being close to Him, for the sake of I would not be parted from you like for the sake of just being near to God, and I feel like I just want to just like.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I just feel like we're just and I feel like we're kind of landing in the plane a little bit too, in a very powerful way.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: This is powerful.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: But I really want to.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: We're going to pray in a minute here just for that to actually happen to you and for you.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Could I just tag on to what you're saying, that sometimes turning to God in the right way is don't quench your thirst the way you always do.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Right, Like if you're in a zone where you're like.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: I haven't encountered the love of God for a long time.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: I'm discouraged, I'm despondent.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Whatever it is.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Sometimes turning to God is as simple as I'm not going to quench my thirst the way I've been doing it lately and it doesn't even have to appear horribly evil however you've been quenching your thirst.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it might be.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: In fact, you might be quenching your thirst.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what it might be.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: In fact, you might be quenching your thirst by being overly religious and devoted and wanting to be the best prophetic person in your church.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: True, you know it might be it might be doom scrolling on your phone.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, yeah, like if it is leaving you feeling dormant and dead, yeah, and not connecting with god.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Well then, you know what sometimes turning to God is saying.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: That Is the turning away right.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do that.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna instead of that, I'm gonna turn to God because I'm telling you, your thirst will not go away.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: This is why Because this is the way God draws us.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Like you are thirsty and hungry because God created you that way Don't despise that.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: But turning to God, may be, I'm going to God.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: By your grace, I'm not going to do what I always do right here, yeah, and instead I'm going to just let myself come undone before you.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's good, and he is you.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's good, he is faithful, yep, and so.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why don't Beautiful?
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Just, why don't we want you?
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, jeez, you're talking, so you get the fire right now.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: So why don't you?
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Why don't you?
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, god, where did we just go right there?
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: It's beautiful.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'd love to pray Encounter with the love of God.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, god, we are so in awe of you.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Thank you, god, for the story each one of us is living.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Thank you for encountering Anthony at 19 in his church building, in his place of worship.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: God, you met him there.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you for the moments you have designed for each one of us.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: God, we just say we do, we do, we join together and we say, okay, I'm a thirsty and hungry being because that's the way you made me.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm a thirsty and hungry being because that's the way you made me, and I don't know all that I need to do next, god.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: But I and we pray for everyone listening and we just say, god, what we know is we will not take the well-worn path we always take right now, and instead we just cry out to you.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: We see you in this moment.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: It's like we see you high and lifted up and instead of what we always do, we're going to turn to you and just say I got all kinds of reasons that I'd like to disqualify myself, God, but I need you so much.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: God, would you show your faithfulness to each person, god, and just break in in your way?
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: And yeah, we bless you, god, we thank you.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: You are faithful God, and I just want to say thank you that hearing your voice, sharing that with others, being prophetic.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: All that stuff flows out of this incredible source of your love.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we just thank you for all of this in Jesus' name.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Amen, amen, well that happened.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm hoping and figuring because I know we plan to go even more into this whole what is a healthy prophetic community, and I'm looking forward to our conversations on that.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: But this is so good.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: It's like man.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: We cannot afford to disconnect from this.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, the love of God, it's the foundation.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, cool, all right, love it.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a wrap on this episode.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: It's been a privilege to have you as an honored guest.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: As we all learn to hear God better.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: If your time with us has been encouraging and you think this conversation will be helpful to others, we would love it if you could share this podcast with the people around you.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Until next time.