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Happy Hour #54: Let Me Fight You About the Last of Us 2 Some More · Stuff Mom Never Told You

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: I never told you protection of iHeart radio and this
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: time for another happy hour. As Samantha and I record this,
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: it is Friday, late in the afternoon. Yeah, it's Happy
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  Speaker 1: Our Time today. It's happy Our Time today, which is
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: is that's fun um as I always drink responsibly if
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: you choose to do so. With these episodes, we just
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: like to kind of create an oasis for you, if
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: you will, although this one is filled with a lot
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: of my rage and hurt and sadness. Not really, but Samantha,
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: what are you sitting on today? Oh? You know, I'm
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: throwing it back to my vino verde because it was
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: simply in my refrigerator after I thought I was gonna
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: have guests and when I said, guess someone who came
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: after a week of quarantine like I'm still pandemic living
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: and prepared to do it on our patio, well ahead
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: and put that out there. But they didn't come, so
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  Speaker 1: which was fine by me, but that means I have
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  Speaker 1: extra wine. So I pulled that out for my afternoon
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  Speaker 1: Happy Our time with you. Thank you. You know, there
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  Speaker 1: are some there are some positives for a cancelation of plans.
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  Speaker 1: There are definitely I'm okay with cancelation of plans. I
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  Speaker 1: know you unless it's me though, of course, because you
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  Speaker 1: know never of course. Um, So, I have a story
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  Speaker 1: behind what I'm drinking today. So I'm drinking a sake
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  Speaker 1: called Perfect Snow and it's an unfiltered cold sake. And
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  Speaker 1: when me and one of my exces, who I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about later in this episode, we were dating.
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  Speaker 1: We loved this time, like if we on a menu,
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: we would order it. And I've been looking for it
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  Speaker 1: for years and I could never find it. But today
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: we're recording this kind of early for when it's going
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  Speaker 1: to come out. So right now it's Janu and believe
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: you me, I'm going to find a way to see Scream.
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: Believe you me. It came out today. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: a drive in. It's gonna be really scary, actually, I think.
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  Speaker 1: But I So, I was trying to stock up. Georgia
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  Speaker 1: shuts down if there's any hint of snow. So I
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: was trying to stock up, and I went to the
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: liquor store because I've been out of liquor, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, okay, and I saw I happened to see
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  Speaker 1: this sack that I've been looking for for years, and
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  Speaker 1: I just I just bought one, and I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was perfect with the name Perfect Snow, and it's got
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  Speaker 1: a nice well probably people think it's gross, but it's
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  Speaker 1: the snowy texture and color and I'm drinking it at
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: the glass you gave me the Last of Us two glass,
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  Speaker 1: because we're talking about the Last of Us two. Yes again,
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  Speaker 1: she's saying that to me. I think, yeah, this is
• 3:15
  Speaker 1: mostly me complaining and talking and Samantha being very supportive,
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  Speaker 1: so I appreciate that. Okay, So I do want to say,
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  Speaker 1: I know I've spoiled this before. I've talked about it
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  Speaker 1: a lot, but if you've somehow avoided spoilers for the game,
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty game and the Last of Us two,
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  Speaker 1: I am going to spoil some things, not super major,
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  Speaker 1: but some things. And then I think some things I'm
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily going to spoil, but the implication is there
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  Speaker 1: and you can probably figure out. So just to say, alright,
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like if I don't discuss the Last
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  Speaker 1: of Us to every couple of months, then I might
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  Speaker 1: fade into dust or something. So I, as I said,
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: to some of you who who checked in on me
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  Speaker 1: over New Year's I was sobbing playing this game on
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  Speaker 1: New Year's Eve, absolutely at a part that wasn't that sad.
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  Speaker 1: Actually it did feel very appropriate, a very appropriate way
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  Speaker 1: to close out. I'm doing the whole play through. I'm
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: about halfway through right now on my PlayStation five, which
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  Speaker 1: I did get. It took me some yes and heavy yes, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but this is actually this whole thing me wanting to
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: talk about this again is brought on by a friendly
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  Speaker 1: tipsy debate between me and a friend and coworker of ours, Tyler,
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  Speaker 1: at this now infamous holiday work party that we had. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so we talked about it, Yes, at the end of
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  Speaker 1: before a Macrod, before we knew how bad it was.
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  Speaker 1: It happened before that, but it was outdoor. It was outdoors.
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  Speaker 1: But looking back it is a little like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but don't regret it. Yes, And as we said, and
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  Speaker 1: I think two episodes now, Samantha and I were triggered
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  Speaker 1: by this party, but I did actually have a really
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: good time for the most part. I was just really
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: overwhelmed by insecurities and I think not hanging out with
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  Speaker 1: that many people and so long. Yeah, it workspace is
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  Speaker 1: completely different too, just as a reminder, because you do
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: feel like there's a performative level, especially as hosts, like
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  Speaker 1: what it needs to be seeing what we need to
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  Speaker 1: do and how we need to be seen. Also why
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: it took me three times to leave the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: because I kept going to the wrong places and leaving
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  Speaker 1: behind things that I needed. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's
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  Speaker 1: a that's a really good point to make, because there
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  Speaker 1: was definitely there was a point in the night where
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  Speaker 1: I was looking at three of our pretty big bosses
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  Speaker 1: were there and I was watching them talk to other
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  Speaker 1: other people that are on our level, and I had
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: the thought I should go and talk to them because
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: we Unfortunately, studies do show that that helps you, um
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  Speaker 1: get career boost and I decided not to because I
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: didn't want to. Also, I was a little tipsy, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, not a good idea. One day, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to talk to our boss about the Bradley Cooper
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  Speaker 1: Christmas card I made that probably freaked him out, but
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  Speaker 1: not not no, but I'm sure he's seen it. Oh gosh.
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: The listeners are like, what are you talking about? Short?
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  Speaker 1: Let me shorten this story so my mom for a
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  Speaker 1: while got in her head that I should marry Bradley Paper.
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: I know that sounds weird, but he showed up at
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  Speaker 1: our office once and I didn't notice him because he's
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  Speaker 1: friends with one of our bosses. And I told her
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  Speaker 1: about it, and I think she had a crush on
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: him at the time, and she was living through me,
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: but she would randomly text me at nine pm on
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: Tuesday and be like, have you talked to Bradley Cooper yet?
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: I'm like no. So we got us sponsor that wanted wanted,
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: because this was when I was hosting Sminthy Solo, wanted
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  Speaker 1: me to printed a holiday card. I wasn't dating anybody.
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't have a pet. So I photoshopped an image
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  Speaker 1: of me and Bradley Cooper together and I got a
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  Speaker 1: hundred copies of it and it looks great. It looks fantastic,
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: and I gave them out to a bunch of my
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  Speaker 1: friends and I wrote personalized messages on the back. My
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  Speaker 1: mom actually believed it was real for a second. I'd
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: be like, no, Mom, I would have told you. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I've always wondered what he thought about his friend being
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  Speaker 1: featured on this kind of creepy holiday card. Um. I
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: have no real opinion on probably Cooper, to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: but I did think it was funny. I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was funny, but he's probably weirded out by it. That
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  Speaker 1: was not the night to approach him, I think anyway. Okay,
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: So it was the end of the night at this
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  Speaker 1: party and I was pretty tipsy, and my friend Tyler
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  Speaker 1: and I got into this debate about the last of
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  Speaker 1: Us two, and he was saying he thought Ellie's revenge
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  Speaker 1: story made her quote irredeemable, and oh der apologies Tyler
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  Speaker 1: for randomly shouting dig two graves far too loudly, far
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  Speaker 1: too excitedly, as if I had definitely won an argument,
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  Speaker 1: because that's a reference both to the idea that revenge
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  Speaker 1: will end up killing you two um, but also it's
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  Speaker 1: an achievement you get in the game. If he beat
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  Speaker 1: it on grounded, he probably doesn't know that he might,
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  Speaker 1: but it was certainly a random pic to just shout.
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  Speaker 1: And then I went into a whole thing about how
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  Speaker 1: it's not supposed to make you feel good. This game
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  Speaker 1: isn't supposed to make you feel good, How it's supposed
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  Speaker 1: to make you feel empathy and regret and like face
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  Speaker 1: your violent decisions that you made and perhaps that you
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to make as a player, but you did.
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  Speaker 1: Um but too often that these games are about senseless
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  Speaker 1: violence and you don't ever kind of face the music,
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  Speaker 1: as they say, and how I've never played a game
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  Speaker 1: that made me feel that way. Blah blah blah. You've
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  Speaker 1: all heard it from me a million times. I did
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  Speaker 1: not make my point well because tipsiness. I would just
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  Speaker 1: point at somebody to be like, they agree with me,
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  Speaker 1: poor Tyler. Anyway, after that, one thing I kept thinking
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  Speaker 1: about and that I've heard a lot of men allude
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  Speaker 1: to and they critique this game, and something we've actually
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  Speaker 1: talked about is how we treat women's vengeance stories versus men's. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And just to be clear, I always had to reiterate
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  Speaker 1: this because it's okay to not like things and to
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  Speaker 1: have critiques as long as they aren't sexist, racist, able, this, homophobic,
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  Speaker 1: what have you, the type of critiques that were largely
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  Speaker 1: lobbed at this game. I think Tyler was very legitimate
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  Speaker 1: in his points. I just want to put that out there.
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  Speaker 1: That's total of the sexless races, able us or homophobic No.
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  Speaker 1: I think he was just sorry it didn't make me
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  Speaker 1: feel good, and that's totally fair. You love it for
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: the sobbings and feeling like being in the depths of despair, right,
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  Speaker 1: and he didn't like that, and that's again totally and
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna agree with them. That's not one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite emotions, right, right, right, right, So I just want
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  Speaker 1: to put that out there. However, I do think it's
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: interesting how many times I've heard this argument that Ellie,
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: who is the main character that you play in the
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: last of us two, she was sort of the I
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: don't want to see side character, but kind of side
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  Speaker 1: character of the first one that you're protecting. Um that
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  Speaker 1: Ellie and the second one is horrible for what she does,
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  Speaker 1: that she should have just been more thankful to Joel.
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  Speaker 1: Her kind of violent, angry caretaker that you play in
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  Speaker 1: the first one. We don't necessarily see his vengeance story
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  Speaker 1: after the death of his daughter in the first one,
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  Speaker 1: but it is implied that it occurred, and that was
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: horribly traumatizing for his younger brother, Tommy, the person Joel
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  Speaker 1: claimed he did these actions for. As the player, you
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  Speaker 1: know that it's got about twenty twenty years of bodies
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  Speaker 1: and the wake between what happens when it starts and
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  Speaker 1: when you actually start playing this character, because that's how
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  Speaker 1: long the period is a period of time and they
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  Speaker 1: live in this you know, harsh, cruel world, and through
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  Speaker 1: Joel and his actions, we can infer just how awful
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  Speaker 1: everything is and and Joel how he responded to it.
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  Speaker 1: So when you meet Ellie in the first one, she's
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  Speaker 1: a contrast of that. She's young, she's innocent, she still
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  Speaker 1: will kill you, but she's much more curious and hopeful.
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  Speaker 1: She's fourteen, so you know it's easier to get behind
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  Speaker 1: violence to protect her that. Plus, you know she is
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: immune and the key to the vaccine that will hopefully
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: end this zombie apocalypse in this game. So at the end,
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  Speaker 1: when it turns out using Ellie's immunity to manufacture a
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  Speaker 1: vaccine would kill her, and Joel, who is now attached
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: to Ellie and use her as a surrogate daughter, does
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: not want to go through the loss of another daughter,
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: slaughters everyone at this Firefly, which is sort of an
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: organization sometimes labeled a terrorist group that is trying to
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: find a cure um. He kills everybody at this Firefly outpost,
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  Speaker 1: and he lies to Ellie when she wakes up, telling
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  Speaker 1: her there was no cure, there plenty like her, that
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  Speaker 1: he didn't kill anybody. The ending is from her point
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  Speaker 1: of view, where she admits her survivor's guilt. Um that
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: she's still quote waiting for her turn is presented very
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  Speaker 1: ambiguously as both Ellie and the audience are unsure of
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  Speaker 1: how to feel about what happened, and all this sets
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: in motion what happens in the sequel. So in the
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  Speaker 1: second one, Ellie learns of Joel's lies and their relationship
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  Speaker 1: is almost completely destroyed. She is angry he took away
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: the choice for her, a chance for her life to
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  Speaker 1: quote matter In her words, Joel is unrepetant. This is
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: complicated for a lot of reasons. Ellie would have consented,
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: but she's also under age. She would have consented to
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: the surgery that would have killed her, but does that
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  Speaker 1: matter in the zombie apocalypse and Joel isn't her guardian?
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: But again, Zombie Apocalypse, I think it's important to remember
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  Speaker 1: she's a kid in a very traumatizing world who was
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  Speaker 1: lied to by a man she hasn't known very long.
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  Speaker 1: Not to diminish their relationship. But she's a teenage girl,
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  Speaker 1: and I think her response is valid. How many of
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: us have had falling outs for less than being lied
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  Speaker 1: to about like your whole thing and killing everybody that
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: you believed in anyway. And yet my brother's reaction to
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: all this was essentially what a bit? Don't you know
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  Speaker 1: what he did for you? She didn't ask for that.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't a selfless deed all for her, but it
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  Speaker 1: was at least in part for him. He didn't want
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: to deal with the grief and trauma. And I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying that's wrong. He did kill a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: That's not great, but I'm not saying that he was
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  Speaker 1: wrong to want to keep that. But it wasn't selfless.
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  Speaker 1: And now she Ellie has to live with the fact
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: that there could have been a vaccine and there isn't
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  Speaker 1: and can't be. It is implied. And yes, I'm not
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: condoning violence, but several of Ellie's worst transgussions are things
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  Speaker 1: she learned from Joel, are things that were accidents. Um,
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  Speaker 1: that's part of the point. I think she rejects Joel's
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  Speaker 1: violent actions but ends up doing them herself in her
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  Speaker 1: quest for revenge. The game doesn't condone her actions either
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: over and over again. The messaging is that revenge is pointless.
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  Speaker 1: It's a pointless cycle that only results in death. Playing
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: out on personal levels and on larger social scales. It
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: never ends. Oh, I never ends. Will play it over
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  Speaker 1: and over again. I know. I think I'm on my
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: life to play through what ridiculous. So it's just it's
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: just hard for me not to think that if the
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: roles were versed in the second one and we were
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  Speaker 1: still playing Joel, the your action wouldn't be He's irredeemable.
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  Speaker 1: It might be he's dark or an anti hero. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: we would still be upset. But because we're so used
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  Speaker 1: to seeing white male rage and violence in the name
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  Speaker 1: of a girl or woman justified and glorified, we grant
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  Speaker 1: these characters like Joel more leeway. I think, I think
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  Speaker 1: we're much more willing to be like, wow, that was
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: a terrible thing he just did. But I get it,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: and we're not so likely to do that for female characters,
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  Speaker 1: for women are girls. At one point, Ellie even says
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  Speaker 1: if it were you or I, Joel would be halfway
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: to Seattle already, implying Joel would have done exactly what
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: she did, and he absolutely would have. That's what I
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: think he absolutely would have. And it's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: terrible cycle. When the Ellie manages to sum up break
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  Speaker 1: but not after losing pretty much everything. It's certainly inspiring
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  Speaker 1: many to want to seek revenge of their own. It
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: reminds me of kill Bill, where she's like, one day
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  Speaker 1: you'll grew up. The assassin is saying to the young girl,
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  Speaker 1: one day you'll grew up and you can try to
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  Speaker 1: get revenge on me. That that's what it kind of
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  Speaker 1: felt like in my opinion. I think there's so much
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  Speaker 1: we could talk about there and and we have talked
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  Speaker 1: about women in revenge and in revenge movies. I just
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  Speaker 1: think we're so much more accepting of male violence than
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: female violence. And I don't think again, I don't condone violence,
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  Speaker 1: but that is it just gives me pause. And I
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  Speaker 1: think also a commentary on a lot of the female violence,
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  Speaker 1: and not necessarily with this one. This is a whole
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  Speaker 1: different game when it comes to because it was the
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: person she's going after is another woman, but typically in
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  Speaker 1: other revenged things is because of some type of violent
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  Speaker 1: act acted onto a woman and or her family that
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  Speaker 1: propelled choice that and that in itself is a commentary
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  Speaker 1: on men in many ways. Now, I think that's a
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  Speaker 1: good point, because I mean, this is such a deeper
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: thing we could get into, but it feels very of
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  Speaker 1: the still kind of women are possessions. Men have to
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: protect them, and other men are going to hurt this
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: possession of this guy to hurt him. But it's not
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  Speaker 1: about her at all. It's just that she's a thing
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  Speaker 1: that they can hurt to get to the man. And
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I know we talked about that when we did our
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: episode on Survival Horror. How I think so many of
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: them Mossley dudes who are mad about the last of
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  Speaker 1: us two for reasons like I outlined that are I
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  Speaker 1: would say, not legitimate critiques. They're just mad. They were
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  Speaker 1: willing in the first one, you're protecting this little girl,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: and even though she is powerful and scary, she's still
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: kind of the secondary character that you're protecting as the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: main male playable character. And they were down with that, right.
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  Speaker 1: But then when we're like, you know, now you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: play her, they were not down that right. That's not
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  Speaker 1: the only piece of that puzzle, but I do think
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  Speaker 1: it is a piece because it we're just so used
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: to justifying violence with men in the name of women
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  Speaker 1: that that was totally cool, and people felt good about
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: killing all those people at the end of the first one,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's kind of a conversation about what
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: they see as hero hero actions, and of course that
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: in itself is a male label in its entirety. So again,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: if we really wanted to go real deep, there's a
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  Speaker 1: reason why those kind of revenge films, john Wick films,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: all of those things are very much incomes with like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: this is manly, this is what we do when women
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  Speaker 1: do it, they're crazy easy and it's psychotic, and this
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: is unnecessarily violent exactly. Yeah. Yeah, she's irredeemable. How could
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I play someone as terrible as her? Yeah, So I
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  Speaker 1: am very very excited and nervous to see what people
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: think about the show, the HBOS show that is coming
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  Speaker 1: this year. They just wrapped filming and the second season,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: which they've already an ounce, which I was assuming will
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: be the second game, whether or not we see this
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: conversation play out, and how people are going to feel
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: about a revenge story that is a tragedy that condemns revenge,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: because that's another thing we should say. Like in the
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: first one, I feel like the creators of the game,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think what Joel did is good, but they
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: leave it. So it's like, it's hard. It's a hard
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: decision because you don't want Ellie to die, but also
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: he killed all those people and destroy the chance for
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: a vaccine, so it's not happy. It's not a like fun,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: easy decision. But it's not like the game was like, yeah,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Joel's right. It was very much more like m was
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: he right? So I'm interested to see how that plays out,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: especially in terms of I was just thinking about how
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: the last game of Throne season played out and how
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: everybody thought Aria Start could have never killed the Night King,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, did we watch the same show? But anyway,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: I'm excited, slash nervous, And also just one little point
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I want to add in here. It's one of the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: most ridiculous, petty things I've had feelings that I've had
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: in a while. For some reason, I got like I
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: felt like a spike of anger at the thought of
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: my ex telling people that he was already in on
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: this trade. If it gets popular, here's somebody who's like that,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: But at the second you probably will. You know it's true.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I need to tell him
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: about what happens in the second one, so it doesn't
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: make sense. I'm like, I want to tell everything about
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: this game that he's missed since we broke up, but
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: also I don't want him to say he knew about
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: it before. He'll call you out. Don't don't speak out
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: of our dude, I'm waiting from watching watching No, this
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: is me being very, very silly, but I do think
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: that's funny these as as you and I were discussing earlier, Samantha,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: relationships are are weird. Yes, he also gave me a
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Last of Us big magnet that's on my refrigerator, so
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I think of it. I think of him with that often.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: We'll see. There's a lot of things that we need
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to see how they play out. But in the meantime, cheers, cheers, boo. Yes,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: thank you for letting me talk about the Last of
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Us two again. I'm sure in three months we'll be
• 21:52
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• 22:02
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• 22:16
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• 22:18
  Speaker 1: feel like he already knows everything from the last of
• 22:21
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