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142: Epstein & “The System” / Revolving Doors / Sunk Cost with Society / Rebels & Underdogs · Come Together with Ephraim Herschmann

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Welcome to another episode of Come Together,
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ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back to another episode
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of Come Together. Cheers.
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Back to when I used to listen to a great podcast called Victory,
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the Podcast featuring all the guys from Entourage.
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So Doug Allen, the creator, Johnny Drama, Kevin Dillon and E
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Kevin Connolly used to do a podcast or still do, but I don't
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listen to it as much anymore. And one thing they used to do is
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crack open cans and call them Irish crickets.
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So cheers. We have a lot to go over today
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and you know, I've been again, I'm always kind of reconsidering
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and rethinking about the direction of the podcast and I'm
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always trying to think about the best way to improve it and to
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keep things going in. I think that it's important to
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be able to touch up on air or provide some of my own thoughts
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that are on events that are going on.
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And I can't imagine a bigger story than the Epstein one
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that's going on right now. Now, I'm aware that people, a
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lot of people are using this story as click bait, I'm sure.
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I'm aware that a lot of people have been really opportunistic
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about this. And the truth is, I don't blame
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them, obviously. But this also exposes something
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bigger and something more powerful than I think we have
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realized until now. And there are a couple of people
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that really do some awesome deep dives into web scene's history
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and explain that he's a lot more than just pedophile blackmail
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honey trap guy. He is.
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And, and, and I've talked about this peripherally in a bunch of
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different podcasts where I bring them up with where I bring him
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up with my guests. And there seems to be an
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enormous amount of reluctance to talk about it.
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And I understand that reluctance actually, because it's extremely
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unpleasant. And the implications, especially
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as you read the documentation that the Justice Department has
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been providing we're this is crazy.
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This is this is really, really, really bonkers.
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And I think so many people don't know how to wrap their head
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around it that it's easier to not not even try to wrap your
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head around it. And there's a couple of things
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that happen, obviously in the last couple of days.
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We know that Thomas Massie in Rocahana from the congressman
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from Thomas Massie from Kentucky, Rocahana from
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California, young guy, relatively young guys, I
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suppose. And really, I mean, the
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beautiful thing about and what I love most about Thomas Massie
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story is that he is middle America.
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That is, you know, he represents the part of the country that is
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America, the homeland and not looking and not living on the
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borders, what you would almost call them our borders, which
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would be New York, California, the South, the north, where you
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almost are inherently interested in your nearest potential
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neighbor. And even though that might be
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hypothetically an ocean away, one thing that has happened,
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obviously, as technology, transportation and everything
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has evolved is that they're still our neighbors.
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And, you know, I mean, yeah, Well, we may have some kind of
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like physical barrier distance between us, but as far as taxes,
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as far as business concerned concerned, as far as politics,
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economics, spillover between people and countries and
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cultures, it's not it's not really that far apart.
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And so Thomas Massey represents the group of people that are not
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interested in necessarily dealing with neighbors.
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We'd call them for now, neighbors of our country in any
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direction. He's focused on dealing with in
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and and only someone that's really focused on dealing with
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in is going to be able to pull the plug.
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You would call it on this American global presence that
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we've been working towards since World War 2.
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And it's been it's been an experiment.
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And the truth is that I think that I mean, one thing that you
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have to, that you really could say in all fairness, is that we
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really did try to give economic imperialism and global
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imperialism and global power a real shot.
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And we really did try to do it. And we came up with a lot of
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different philosophies and a lot of different perspectives and a
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lot of different justifications and validations for why we have
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to go to other parts of the world, why we have to inject
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ourselves in other people's business.
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And we've made a lot of really, you know, and, and, and listen,
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apparently the arguments have been compelling enough that
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that, that we've done it and that the people, that the
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American people and the, and the rest of the world have kind of
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come gone along with it. But we're coming to the point
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now where we're seeing that that that experiment didn't really
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take and it's not really working.
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And So what we're going to have to do, and this is in this kind
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of comes to the point. And this is almost the way that
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I think a lot of people make decisions in their own personal
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lives too, which is at some cost fallacy, which is like, well, I
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already sunk so much into this and like, I just got to keep on
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riding it out. I do this all the time.
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I buy, I buy, you know, and I've learned to try to not do this.
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But let's say I go to a brewery and the beer that I buy in
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breweries is not typically very cheap.
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And that's why I've kind of stopped going much more often.
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But I go to a brewery and I buy myself this delicious barrel
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aged stout. It's a 14% stout that was aged
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in bourbon barrels for two years, you know, with some
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coffee and some vanilla beans added to it and just absolutely
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looks delicious on the menu. And I, and I goes and, and it's
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$8 for a four ounce pour, 4 pour for anyone that wouldn't know
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is, I don't know, like I'd say 1/3 of a beer glass.
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No, yeah, a typical beer glass is about 12 to 16 ounces.
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So do that without what you will.
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And I'll take it and I'll taste it.
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And that first sip, I'll be like, oh man, this beer is bad.
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Now, in order to get for that beer to be 14% alcohol and for
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it to get all that flavour, there's got to be a lot of
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sugar, a lot of crap in that that is not good for me.
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But I already spent 8 bucks on this.
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So like, what's it like? I, you know, I already spent the
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8 bucks. Even if it's not that great, at
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least it's 14% alcohol. Maybe I'll get a little buzz
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going. Maybe it's, you know, maybe it's
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worth it. And I have to spend all these.
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I have to spend all this time coming up with reasons to
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convince myself and to compel myself to go ahead and do
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something that I don't really, really want to do.
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And I think there's a lot of people right now, America is at
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this national identity point where we're saying we, unless I
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grew up with it, I grew up with idea.
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I remember learning now, and it's so funny how these ideas
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come back to you so many years later and you kind of see how
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your education has been formed. But I remember learning in
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history class in high school. And history was a class, one of
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the few classes that I really enjoyed and thought that I was
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OK at. I remember learning in history
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class in America is the world's police.
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And I remember thinking to myself, why should we be?
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And then my teacher said, because we are the most moral
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nation and because moral, I guess, I guess right makes
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might, which makes right. And, and you know, and, and,
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and, and I was too young at that point to really think for myself
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or to really push back on that. I kind of just accepted it as it
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is. And I don't think that's
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necessarily the case. Obviously, looking back now, I
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don't, I don't, I don't think that that should be the case.
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And I don't necessarily think that we should be teaching
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people, kids like that at the end of the day.
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But what we do know is we've had this identity since World War 2.
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Generations have grown up with this perception.
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And not only that. And obviously, as I kind of
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learned more and as my podcast guests have become a little bit
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more diverse in their backgrounds as far as their
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research and the work that they conduct, we're being, this idea
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is constantly being reinforced in Hollywood and the movies that
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we watch too, and the two and the television shows that we
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watch. And, and we don't even, you
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know, and so and, and, and, and Hollywood loves to emphasize.
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And there was an incredible document.
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I'll see if I could try to find the link and post on the show
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notes captions, but if not, feel free please to Google this.
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Or you could look this up on spyculture.com on Tom Sucker's
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website. He does great reporting about
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this. But that, oh, I'm so sorry, it's
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in the book. And I'll, I'll post the I'll
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post the book superheroes movies in the state that the Los
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Angeles Police Department. What does not allow for their
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cops or their officers to be portrayed doing anything that is
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considered racist or ethically questionable, despite their long
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history of not necessarily doing that?
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And I'm not, Again, I'm not. I do not want to say that the
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Los Angeles Police Department is a bad LAPD, are bad people, is a
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bad organization, is a corrupt organization.
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I don't know anything about it, but I do know that no one's
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perfect. And I do know that organizations
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certainly are not perfect. And over the course of many,
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many, many years with very with, with a lot of really, really
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weird circumstances happening in California, whether it's the
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government intervention, whether it's the creative scene, whether
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it's Hollywood or music, a lot of weird shit happens.
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A lot of really weird shit happens and, and it's OK, I
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think, to go ahead and to admit when bad shit happens and say
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we're trying to clean it up. But there seems to be this.
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It's so important for the institutions in America to be
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flawless in the eyes of their population that I don't think
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they realize that they're stretching it past the point of
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credibility and that becomes an issue.
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But that's all just an example. And just to say that we have
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this perception of what America is and we're realizing now, and
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primarily through Epstein and primarily through what all, you
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know, how how connected he was and all the relationships he had
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and how many people have influence and power and business
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and technology and medicine and politics and everything that
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this guy had his hands on. Maybe it wasn't such a good
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idea. And now we're going to have to
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pivot. And the problem is that America
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is such a massive ship, is such a huge ship.
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And listen, I mean, obviously it's smaller than China.
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Obviously it's smaller than India.
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It could be done. It could be done as far as
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population, but it's such a huge ship that we have to turn, you
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know, in order to be able to turn, it's got to be slow.
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It's got to be a long, painful, difficult process.
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And it's the same way that people have described, for
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example, when you work in a company.
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And I've read many, many accounts of this from because I
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because I love this world. But the early days between Pixar
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and Disney in the in the mid 90s when Pixar was just a startup,
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just a quick nimble startup being funded by literal deposits
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from Steve Jobs's bank account into the employees pockets, They
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were able to create incredible, incredible content that Disney,
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which was already a behemoth established corporate entity,
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was not quite able to take on the same creative risks, to
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tackle the same types of challenges in the same way
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because of just how huge they were and how enormous they were.
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And So what Disney ended up doing was essentially
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subcontracting Pixar to make a bunch of those, to make a bunch
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of great movies that they recognized they were too big to
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be able to or or too slow or too corporate or too mechanical to
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really be able to come up with on on their own.
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And it feels like America is does just does not know what
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it's doing with itself right now.
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The right is eating itself from the inside.
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The left has a massive power vacuum.
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The, the, the, the population of leaders is getting older.
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Younger people are not interested necessarily in really
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stepping up in leadership positions.
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And if they do it, it always feels like they're being bought
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out, which obviously is the name of the game.
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So this Epstein thing is, and we can see why the government has
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worked so hard to cover up this this story and this character
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and all the people that are related to him because he is a
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shadow manifestation of a global system.
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And call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think that all
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the documentations on the Justice Department's website
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kind of say to the opposite. So while it might be a lot to
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take to wrap our head around, that essentially is what it is.
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And there was a couple of things that happened in the last few
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days that really, really emphasize exactly how rotten the
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system is. And there's always been
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conspiracy theories about Epstein.
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He didn't kill himself, blah, blah, blah.
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And it was never confirmed or denied.
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And the FBI and you have the FBI doesn't do anything.
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And then you have Cash Patel and Dan Bongino, who make who who
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who run with Trump on the promise of flipping everything
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on its head. And the second they walk in,
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they realize that this ship is a lot bigger than they were able
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to. And it turns out that, you know,
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again, and not to ever, ever, ever compare, I don't think,
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unless it has to be, but unless it turns out to be true.
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But not to compare Disney to any wrongdoing and Pixar to any
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right doing. But it shows how vehemently and
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how, how far a system is willing to go to make sure that its life
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force is preserved. And even if it's a bad system,
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and even if it's a dangerous system, it will fight the same
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way that human body fights, you know, viruses with and fights
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disease and has an autoimmune response.
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There are big systems like the government that's that, that's,
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that are set up in order to weed out anything that tries to take
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it down. And one thing in a couple of
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astounding, really astounding document drops was number one,
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that three things. Actually, there's three primary
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things that in the last couple of days that have really, really
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blown this hole open for me #1 was the announcement of
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Epstein's death the day before he died by the Attorney General.
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I think there was an announcement August 9th, and he
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died and he died August 10th, which means that.
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And again, I don't know what it means.
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I'm not going to say what it means.
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It's judged. It shows that there was some
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kind of planning or some kind of conspiracy is is the word, I
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mean, an alternative plan for this for for what the actual
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actions of the government were going to be and what the story
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that they were going to tell the public was.
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And so there was an announcement the day before he died that he
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was that he was dead. Obviously he wasn't yet.
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And then there was a body double that was there to quote and look
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this up in the Justice Department website that was
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there to distract the press while the actual body was
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smuggled out another door. We don't know whether the body
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was alive, you know, whether the body was dead.
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We don't know what kind of condition the body was in.
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And then the FBI, the FBI on record, again, according to the
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Justice Department, this is not conspiracy as far as I know.
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Now, these documents may be doctored now, but and now this
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may not be true, but then I don't know how anyone's going to
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measure any kind of yardstick or take anything seriously one way
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or the other if we're just going to kind of throw all, all sorts
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of evidence into speculation. But according to the Justice
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Department, the FBI, A announced, you know, the
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attorney general announced that Epstein was was dead a day
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before he died. B Second body C deleted the
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camera footage, took the camera footage, erased it, deleted it,
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destroyed it, whatever they did with it gone.
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So just those three things I think are incredible, an
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incredible indication of just how far a system is willing to
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go to protect itself. And then to be able to convince
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the people that are working for the system, like Cash Patel or
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Dan Bongino, that they can't talk, that they can't do
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anything about it and that this is going to happen whether you
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like it or not. And and the system has a way of
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chewing people out too, because Dan Bongino had lost a lot of
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his credibility, obviously, based on the 180 that he had to
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do once he entered the FBI. And then he left and he came
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back to the podcast world. And you can look this up,
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actually, this is crazy in like the week since his podcast aired
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again, since he came back from leaving the FBI after nine
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months as a deputy director, which is second in command.
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He he started, he started I think of like 1.5 million
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viewers on his podcast and was losing an average of 300,000
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people a day until I just saw I think yesterday, the day before
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that Fox had decided rehired him.
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And so Dan Bongino went from being this rumble star,
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alternative news media, independent news organization,
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voice of voice of the people, you know, fighting the
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institution to basically getting sucked into it, losing all his
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credibility and then getting hired out by corporate media.
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I mean, like it's and I, and I feel bad for him.
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I really, really do. Because you know what?
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I don't know what damn Bongino's life is like.
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I don't know what kind of threats or situations that he
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had to deal with while he was in the FBI.
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I don't know who said what to him about his wife or family or
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whatever it is. And you know what?
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I don't know that I would do anything differently.
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Unfortunately, unfortunately, it really, really takes a martyr.
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It really, really takes a hero and someone with nothing to
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lose, it feels like, to be able to make a difference like this.
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Unless your name is Thomas Massie, of course.
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But so that that that's that I think is like the first
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installment of how important it is that people do not let go of
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this story and that the story keeps on going because the
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institutions want the story to go away.
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People that don't want to believe that the corruption and
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the sickness is as far reaching as it is want this to go away
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just so that we could get back to normal.
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I don't know that things are going to get back to normal
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anymore. I don't know what normal is
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anymore. I don't know normal is anymore.
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We have these crazy UFO congressional hearings that are
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going on that you have to stick your head in the sand to not
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hear about. You have this Epstein stuff
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that's going on. You have advanced military
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potential weapons that governments around the world,
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China, Russia, America, anyone are potentially using that no
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one knows anything about. We have potential nuclear wars
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going off. We have.
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Yeah, we have Vladimir Putin talking about the fact that if
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this war is not over in the next two years, he might drop a nuke
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on Germany. We can't just go back to normal.
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Like I think that, and I think that unfortunately this goes
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back to a lot of the American issues that comes from being
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such a young country and being from being from being such a
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young empire is we're so short term.
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We're so short. We're so we're so short sighted
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and think in such short terms that and we just want to be
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comfortable and live our everyday lives that we're
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willing to ignore everything around us to be able to continue
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that. And until then, events keep on
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piling up and the consequences are keep on getting bigger and
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bigger and bigger. And I'm not, I don't want to
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come across as a doomsday person because I'm really not.
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But I think that it's really, really important to be able to
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acknowledge the issue that you have in order to be able to
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respond to it. And this is actually where I
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kind of get into a little bit more of what I hope to be a
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little bit more solution based conversation.
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We know that that the revolving door has always been a point of
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corruption for any kind of regulation and for anyone that
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doesn't know what or understand the terminology, revolving door
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basically is referring to the relationship between private
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sectors and regulators slash government.
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So, for example, if I work for the DEA, the Drug Enforcement
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Agency, and I understand the government's rules and the way
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that the government tracks down illegal drugs or illegal drugs
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and has and, and, and determines whether or not they are being
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provided and supplied to patients safely and in an
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ethical way. I have this whole playbook of I
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understand how the government works.
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And I've been working for the government for 10-15 years,
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doing the good fight or even 5 years, whatever amount of time
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it is, doing the good fight, learning the game, learning how
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the government regulates and helps protect people against
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legal and illegal drugs. And then after 5/10/15 years, I
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say, you know what, I'm done Making $70,000 a year or
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$100,000 a year and clocking in nine to five and having a, you
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know, very bureaucratic job. And I'd like to be able to do
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something more with myself. I can get hired out by a company
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or by a consulting firm or by a pharmaceutical company to help
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that company navigate its way around the regulations.
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Now, who is better to do that than the actual person creating
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the regulations? So this revolving door applies
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to any industry that you can think of that has regulation.
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Oil, energy, entertainment, politics.
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I obviously politics, sorry, you know, garbage, waste disposal,
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pharmaceuticals, everything, anything, anything that is
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regulated has the potential for the revolving door.
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The good news is that you have that, that what we could do is
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we could apply the revolving door logic the other way around
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and that is and and and that's and obviously that's always a
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little bit more dangerous. We have, I think the first step
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of that is called whistleblowing, right?
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Where you work for a company or an organization or a government
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entity and you say, hey, we're not doing what we're supposed to
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be doing right now. I have to make this public.
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This is wrong. People are getting hurt.
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It goes against ethics and laws and values of XY and Z, company
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or government or institution. And I'm going to make this
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public. I'm going to make this known.
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That's the first step. And then you could actually join
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the fight. And that's why I think people
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there's people like, and I've brought him up before, Mike Benz
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is such an important and crucial character that is almost single
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handedly blowing the door open on so many important issues
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because he is the reverse version of revolving door.
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He had worked in politics. He is a lawyer.
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He worked under the first Trump administration and then said,
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you know what? I I get my hands tied in
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bureaucracy. I get my hands tied, you know,
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with classified cortical classified information I had, I
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could only do so much within the system.
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Let me go out of my own. Let me go to Twitter, let me go
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to Rumble, let me go to X, let me go to the podcast world.
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And I'll take the inside knowledge that I have of the
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workings and I'm going to publicize it and teach people
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how to combat it. And that is incredible.
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And for everyone that feels that this fight is hopeless because
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of this revolving door, just one guy, I mean, just Mike Benz.
25:38
And then you have incredible people like, you know,
25:40
journalists like Michael Schallenberger or Glenn
25:44
Greenwald or whoever that understand how a system works on
25:49
the inside, publicizes it, learns how to maneuver around
25:53
it, and then helps teach people how to do the same thing in
25:56
order to make a difference. That is just, it's just a hope.
26:02
It's just the only hope, I think, for being able to rebound
26:07
from whatever sick, disgusting and evil philosophies and
26:14
individuals have taken over the free world.
26:18
And again, a system wants to save itself.
26:23
We can't. I don't blame any particular
26:26
person in the government necessarily.
26:28
I mean, listen, there are particular people that you could
26:30
blame. And you know, we have their
26:31
names and they should be held accountable.
26:34
We should be learning their names and they should be held
26:35
accountable. But a lot of people are just in
26:39
a system. A lot of people are just in the
26:40
system, in the system designed to make sure that it keeps on
26:42
surviving, that these people still have jobs, that these
26:44
people still get paychecks. That that I mean, if, if the
26:47
entire American government fell apart because of all the people
26:51
that were potentially indicted or potentially involved one way
26:58
or the other in this, in this Epstein ring world, it's a scary
27:04
concept. We got to rebuild from scratch.
27:06
And you know what, Well, what's the rush?
27:09
Maybe we should rebuild right away.
27:11
What I think about the chaos that happens.
27:13
And I really hear, I really, really, really hear.
27:16
But if the if the premise of your house, the foundation of
27:20
your house is completely rotted away, there's got to be
27:23
something else to do about it. There's got to be something else
27:27
to do about it. And this isn't just an American
27:29
thing I want to say, because this is clearly a global, this
27:34
clearly a global effort. Epstein was not more tied to
27:38
America than he was to Israel, than he was to Saudi, than he
27:42
was to Britain. Then I mean, I think he had a
27:45
fake, what was Australian, Austria, I think Austrian
27:47
passport. I mean, he had a Saudi pass.
27:50
I mean, like this, this guy was everywhere.
27:52
It's not a particular country. It is just a system of what we
27:59
would call again and and I hate using these kind of
28:02
terminologies because they really lead to to, you know,
28:04
quote UN quote conspiracies. It's a global elite.
28:13
It's a group of powerful people that run powerful institutions
28:17
that all have similar agendas to one another, which is to
28:20
maintain power, influence or control or economic wealth or
28:24
whatever it is that they're looking for.
28:26
And they just don't want to give it up And but, but positive
28:33
again, you want to, you want to flip this on his head, You want
28:35
to, you want to bring something positive out of this.
28:38
Think about all the good that could happen.
28:39
Now think about all the good that can occur from goodwill,
28:48
from free, not corrupt trade. You know from from trade and
28:56
economic relationships that don't result in simply a
29:02
transfer of wealth from the middle and the bottom class to
29:07
the top class, but just create opportunity, period, and let
29:12
everyone and let everyone lift up a little bit.
29:15
This we see this could happen on a global level because the
29:19
opposite has happened on a global level.
29:21
And so once the potential for all the bad is exposed and once
29:24
the potential for all the negative ways that we're all
29:27
connected is exposed, it could lead to a positive ways that we
29:30
could be that we could build on it.
29:31
Once we burn that down, we could have a lot of really, really
29:35
wonderful relationships. We could have a lot of really,
29:37
really wonderful communal global efforts where and listen, the
29:44
part of the reason why and not a part of the reason.
29:46
And then probably one of the main reasons why any kind of war
29:55
happens is because 1 country identifies another country that
29:59
has what they want, whether it's minerals, whether it's a
30:03
geographic location that's really important, whether it's a
30:05
country that they border, whatever it may be, they
30:10
identify something they want. They try to take it by force
30:14
instead of inviting an idea, instead of inviting
30:17
collaboration. And I think that, you know, I
30:20
think that this is we're getting to a really, really interesting
30:23
point in time and where we're seeing the flaws of our short
30:27
term capitalism and we're seeing the flaws of we just got to
30:33
smack. We got to just grab as much as
30:35
we can for us today. Right now, we just need as much
30:40
as we can on a daily basis because we have to show every
30:43
quarter or every month or whatever it is that we that we
30:45
are still successful and we stop thinking long term.
30:51
We could have a form of long term capitalism which rewards
30:56
long sighted thinking that might, you know, have.
31:01
And again, Amazon is such an awesome example of this company.
31:05
If you want a case in point for a business or for an
31:08
organization that sacrificed. And I don't know if they still
31:13
do. I'm sure they do.
31:15
I don't know as much about it. I haven't kept up as much about
31:17
it as much as I've learned about the beginning of the company.
31:20
But Amazon did not care about its quarterly profits for well
31:25
over a decade of its existence as an organ, as a company.
31:30
And Wall Street punished them. And their shares were going up
31:33
and down. And it was a little turbulent as
31:35
far as Wall Street was concerned.
31:36
But the company itself was establishing itself, was, was
31:40
setting the foundation to be able to succeed like no other
31:45
company, really like no other company.
31:49
And I think that that should be rewarded.
31:53
I think that is the kind of behavior that we need long term
31:57
if America's going to find a way to bounce back from this issue.
32:00
Because I think that everything that we every, a lot of our
32:04
problems that we have, our social problems, our economic
32:08
problems, our religious problems, our health problems, a
32:11
lot of these issues stem from compulsive and perpetual short
32:17
term thinking that and we can't seem to wrap our head about
32:21
around what is going to be more than 5 minutes or five months
32:26
from now. We can't wrap our head around
32:28
what's in five years or 10 years or what we want things to look
32:31
like. And by the way, I'm not good at
32:33
that kind of thinking either. I'm really not.
32:36
And I'm not expecting every business or every company or
32:39
every individual to have a detailed plan where I hope in
32:44
five years from now we look exactly like this and 10 years
32:46
from now be exactly like that. But there are decisions that you
32:49
could make. They say, hey, I know that I
32:52
want something better long term. And I know that right now, short
32:55
term, this might be look good, but this is not what I'm looking
32:58
for big picture. And so I don't know what the
33:02
final, my final plan is going to be.
33:04
But I know that by acting in this short term interest, I'm
33:07
going, I'm putting my long term plan in jeopardy.
33:12
And we have to, I think that we should be thinking a lot more
33:17
like that. The other potential positive
33:22
aspect of globalization and the fact that everything is so
33:26
closely intertwined is that it also is able to, we're also able
33:31
to spread out. Not the blame, I guess, but
33:38
this, Epstein's story and Epstein's behavior and
33:44
connections are so far reaching that it's not necessarily just
33:50
up to the American government to disclose what's going on.
33:54
And just because the American institutions are rotten and
33:59
corrupt to the point that they're not willing to
34:02
acknowledge, I mean, imagine how big of a news story this is.
34:06
This is this makes Watergate look like a joke.
34:09
This makes this makes a lot of things in American history look
34:12
like a joke. This very, very well may be one
34:16
of the most, probably the most influential time as far as a
34:21
national identity or global identity that this planet is
34:24
experiencing. And I don't mean that I mean
34:29
that very, very seriously. I'm not trying to just say
34:33
dramatic, you know, statements and I'm not trying to grandstand
34:36
over here the extent of scientists, doctors,
34:42
businessmen, politicians, world leaders, arms deals, everything.
34:46
I mean, going back to Iran, Contra, banks, everything,
34:52
everything is involved in this. News organizations, everyone,
34:56
everyone is involved in this. And so as far as American media
34:59
is concerned or as far as American, American systems
35:01
concerned, we're not going to get anything.
35:03
But you know who's a lot less corrupt?
35:06
Potentially maybe the UK where they're already having or you
35:10
know, maybe where they're already having consequences to,
35:14
to, to the documents being dumped.
35:15
Maybe Australia, maybe Germany, maybe Israel, probably not maybe
35:20
Israel. I hope Israel.
35:22
I would love for that to be the case.
35:23
I'd love for people to be responsible and to be able to
35:27
say, hey, we got it. We got ahead of our skews over
35:29
there. We got caught up in something
35:31
that was totally not what the right thing is.
35:34
And we and we, we want to take a step back from that.
35:36
I would love if the country did that.
35:37
I don't know if they're going to.
35:39
But the point is that because of the fact this isn't just an
35:44
American problem, because the fact that there's a global
35:47
problem, there's an endless amount of ways for the story to
35:52
be exposed. And so folk in America and I've
35:56
actually been learning about, I've been trying to do this
35:57
myself just in general for the podcast.
36:00
I've been trying to get guests that are not from this country
36:02
and they're not biased towards our very limited American
36:07
perspective. There's a lot of perspectives
36:10
out there that we should be listening to.
36:12
There's a lot of indications that people are really being
36:14
held accountable that we should take a look at and say, hey,
36:17
wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
36:18
If I mean, listen, this thing might topple the freaking what
36:22
do you call the the British, the royal family, the dynasty.
36:25
I have no idea what's going to happen, but I do wanna I, I
36:31
think the purpose of the podcast that are the reason why I wanted
36:36
to talk about this is not to emphasize how terrible things
36:41
are and not to talk about how bad things are, but to talk
36:44
about how it's important to acknowledge the issues that
36:50
exist, but to also say that there's a lot of really
36:52
potentially good things that are going on right now.
36:54
Thomas Massie in Rokahana, the fact that the left and the right
36:57
are supporting about are coming together to support this is an
37:00
enormous deal. The fact that we're getting a
37:02
lot of unredacted evidence, we're getting a lot of evidence
37:06
about the corruption of the system from within the system
37:09
that's being forced out by the representative representatives
37:12
of the people is a huge deal. Is hope.
37:15
That is a sign of hope. The same way that that that
37:17
that, that the podcast world and Twitter, it feels like had such
37:22
an enormous impact on the elections in 2024.
37:29
The people are having a huge impact on the Epstein story.
37:32
And we're seeing the power of militarized, democratized power
37:39
against a system. And that's good.
37:44
That's good for now. That's really good for now.
37:46
That's really hopeful. The fact that Epstein was a
37:49
globalized, it was a global force, it is a good thing
37:52
because if he was only constrained to the American
37:54
government, then we might never get it out.
37:57
But if Switzerland talks about it, if England talks about it,
38:00
if Germany talks about it, if Australia talks about it, if
38:04
Saudi Arabia talks about it, if Iran talks about it, hey, all of
38:08
a sudden we got a lot more information that we can that
38:11
that that that we the people can use.
38:13
So I'm not here. And then finally the revolving
38:16
door. And then finally the people on
38:19
the inside, whether you're going to be a whistleblower and coming
38:21
out of the system or whether you're actually going to come
38:24
out and actually take a stand to make and make this a fight like
38:27
the way that Mike Benz does. I think that we're going to, I
38:32
think this is a time for hope. I think this is a time of
38:35
massive change. I think it's a time of scary
38:38
change. That doesn't mean that it's not
38:40
hopeful and it doesn't mean that it's not incredible.
38:44
I'm really, I'm really excited. I'm really hopeful.
38:49
I'm nervous obviously about their percussions.
38:52
I'm nervous because again, the same way that body has an immune
38:56
system that kicks out a probably, you know, that that
38:59
kicks out invaders. This American system is a big
39:03
system. It really, really is.
39:05
But I think that thanks to people like Thomas Massie in Ro
39:08
Kahana, Marjorie Taylor Green, gotta give her credit.
39:13
We have Luna. I forgot her.
39:14
I forgot her first name from Florida, where the people, the
39:19
people are, are, are are fighting back.
39:22
And what's so cool? It's so much fun.
39:26
And it's funny how how this changes, right?
39:29
American media, we talk a lot. I talk a lot about the influence
39:33
and propaganda the media has, and one of the things that they
39:37
may have done to shoot themselves in the foot is that
39:39
American media is always represented the American people
39:42
as rebels, as underdogs. And we are.
39:47
I know that as a country we might not be, but as a people
39:51
being held hostage to a system that has been in the shadows if
40:00
ish. Has been so corrupt in the
40:03
shadows for so many years and now it's blown right open.
40:12
We can fight it. We can fight it and we should
40:17
fight it and we're going to fight it.
40:19
And we've been taught through media, we've been trained
40:23
through media that we can escape this.
40:28
And we are the rebels and we are the underdogs.
40:33
And the people in America, the people who are told that the
40:37
that the economy is doing great when they're suffering
40:39
financially, the people that are told there's nothing to see here
40:42
when all these unredacted documents are talking about
40:44
torture videos and 11 year olds and 9 year olds, and I mean, God
40:48
knows what. And listen, sure.
40:51
Context, less, sure. Hearsay for now.
40:55
But there's dark shit going on and everyone knows it.
40:58
There's a lot of dark shit, and everyone knows it.
41:00
And so at the end of the day, the institutions that have
41:06
worked so hard to portray America as these underdogs, even
41:11
though he may not have been as a country, the people have been
41:16
soaking in these messages for a long time.
41:18
And I hope that we continue to and I hope that we continue to
41:21
create content, to put out podcasts, to put it, to make
41:24
movies and television shows that show that the individuals can
41:28
escape from the system because we can.
41:30
We're on the way to doing it. And this is just step one.
41:34
More podcast episodes coming out for you tomorrow.
41:37
I hope tomorrow or Friday you got a couple of guests lined up
41:40
and more into next week. Till then, bye everyone and
41:44
always a pleasure.