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Sharri | 2 February · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This in Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening.
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Speaker 3: I'm James macpherson filling in for Sharry. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 3: up tonight. Coalition chaos, Susan Lee and David Littleprowd just
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Speaker 3: wrapped up Peace talks. No word yet on the outcome,
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Speaker 3: but regardless is the damage done. The polls are brutal.
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Speaker 3: I'll break down the numbers with my panel in a moment.
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Speaker 3: New South Wales Labor moves to outlaw the chant globalize
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Speaker 3: the inter Fada, but stops short of banning from the
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Speaker 3: river to the sea. So where's the line between political
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Speaker 3: speech and incitement and later culture wars? In the classroom?
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Speaker 3: Why are kids struggling with the basics? What could it
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Speaker 3: be because teachers have to incorporate indigenous basket weaving in
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Speaker 3: maths lessons.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Kevin Donnelly will shed some light on that shortly.
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Speaker 3: We'll get to all of that in a moment. But first,
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Speaker 3: Parliament resumes tomorrow with a church service and a smoking ceremony.
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Speaker 3: An hour in church might not be such a bad
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Speaker 3: thing for members of the fractured coalition. The preacher could
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Speaker 3: quote Matthew twenty two, love thy neighbor. Or he could
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Speaker 3: quote Psalm one hundred and thirty three how good it
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Speaker 3: is when brothers dwell together in unity.
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Speaker 2: Or he could tell them.
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Speaker 1: Stop being idiots.
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Speaker 3: That's not an actual Bible quote, but based on what
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Speaker 3: we've seen from the coalition, I'm pretty sure Jesus would approve.
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Speaker 3: And if a church service can't expel the coalition demons, well,
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Speaker 3: a smoking ceremony isn't going to hurt. It's not as
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Speaker 3: if they don't already smell like a binfire. Now I've
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Speaker 3: got Bromwin, Bishop and Steve Price waiting to join me
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Speaker 3: in a moment, and together we'll pick through the smoldering
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Speaker 3: ashes of what was once the Coalition. But I wanted
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Speaker 3: to draw your attention to something else that is happening.
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Speaker 3: When Parliament returns tomorrow while the Coalition are running around
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Speaker 3: setting each other on fire, the Albanesi government is set
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Speaker 3: to introduce legislation that would extend a freeze on the
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Speaker 3: be attacks. The government introduced the freeze on indexation last
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Speaker 3: year and it's set to end in August twenty twenty seven. Now,
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Speaker 3: say what you like about Anthony Albanezi, he's not completely stupid.
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Speaker 3: The optics are perfect while the Coalition burns itself to
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Speaker 3: the ground elbow. He's making beer cheaper because if there's
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Speaker 3: one thing Australians deserve, it's an affordable cold one while
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Speaker 3: watching Canberra implode. Of course, freezing beer taxing definitely won't
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Speaker 3: sow about the Coalition.
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Speaker 2: They're already plastered on leadership drama.
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Speaker 3: Colin Boyce tried to play designated driver today spilling the
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Speaker 3: National Party leadership. But the Coalition is still stumbling through
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Speaker 3: camber like drunks in a fog. The rest of the country, though,
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Speaker 3: well we could do with a stiff drink. As for
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Speaker 3: one nation, well have you seen the polls. Pauline and
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Speaker 3: Barnaby should be ordering French champagne more in all of
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Speaker 3: that with Steve Price and Bromwin Bishop In a moment,
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Speaker 3: Victorian Premier Jacinta Allen march through the streets of Melbourne
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Speaker 3: yesterday waving a rainbow flag and calling out having pride
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Speaker 3: to anyone you would listen, which was quite the feat
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Speaker 3: to be honest. Waving a flag, projecting cheer and avoiding
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Speaker 3: Melbourne potholes all at the same time requires the kind
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Speaker 3: of hand eye coordination you usually reserved for fighter pilots.
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Speaker 4: Happy pride, happy pride, happy pride.
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Speaker 2: Here's what I find curious.
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Speaker 3: While the Premier happily marched with a gay flag on Sunday,
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Speaker 3: there was no state supported street parade with Australian flags Monday,
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Speaker 3: a week ago.
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Speaker 2: In Victoria.
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Speaker 3: You see a gay street march is not merely permitted.
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Speaker 3: It's celebrated, it's elevated. It's described without irony, as representing
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Speaker 3: the very best of the state. And that's not me editorializing.
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Speaker 3: Those are the Premier's own words.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen.
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Speaker 4: Today is amazing and let's remember this is what Victoria is.
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Speaker 4: This is what represents the best of this amazing state.
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Speaker 1: Happy pride, happy pride.
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Speaker 2: This is what Victoria is.
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Speaker 3: Victoria is isn't its history or its democratic institutions. Victoria
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Speaker 3: isn't its civil inheritance passed down by people who built things,
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Speaker 3: defended things, and believed that nations were worth sustaining. No, No,
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Speaker 3: Victoria apparently, is a gay parade, a worldview, a set
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Speaker 3: of approved flags, a moral orthodoxy encouraged by applause and
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Speaker 3: enforced by silence. Meanwhile, Melbourne's annual Australia Street Parade, you know,
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Speaker 3: the one involving the national flag, the national story and
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Speaker 3: the national holiday. Well that was canceled during COVID and
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Speaker 3: never reinstated. Why well, as a spokesperson for the Premier
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Speaker 3: explained at the time, we also recognize that January twenty
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Speaker 3: six means different things to different people. Right, So Melbournians
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Speaker 3: can't have an official Australia Day parade because this disagreement
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Speaker 3: over the date, But the Premier will march at a
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Speaker 3: gay parade because apparently there's no disagreement over the LGBTQ
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Speaker 3: worldview at all, or at least no disagreem is allowed.
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Speaker 3: This is the late stage Western model in miniature, where
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Speaker 3: anything connected to the nation is complex, contested and best
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Speaker 3: handled by cancelation, while anything connected to identity politics is
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Speaker 3: incredible and important and deserving of an annual ritual. And
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Speaker 3: just in case there was any doubt about where the
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Speaker 3: Premier's priorities lay, she helpfully spelt them out herself.
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Speaker 4: So incredible to be walking Vicky here as part of
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Speaker 4: the Pride March. And it's so damn important that we
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Speaker 4: do this every year and say very clearly that every
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Speaker 4: day we all stand and fight for our queer community.
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Speaker 3: In Victoria, so damn important that we do this every year,
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Speaker 3: the state's annual Australia March. Too divisive to fraught, too risky,
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Speaker 3: but a Pride March, non negotiable, annual sacred. I guess
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Speaker 3: you fight for what you love, don't you, and you
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Speaker 3: quietly retire what you no longer believe in. Now, thinking
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Speaker 3: of identity politics, I have to introduce you to Philadelphia
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Speaker 3: Sheriff Rochelle Belile. Now chances are you haven't heard of
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Speaker 3: Rochelle Belial, but I promise after this you will never
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Speaker 3: forget her. Three days ago, she had this to say
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Speaker 3: about the ICE agents who are rounding up illegal immigrants.
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Speaker 5: Let know that law enforcement professionals, real ones, not the fake,
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Speaker 5: made up ICE, probably Trump's new army to attack citizens
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Speaker 5: of the United States.
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Speaker 6: Did you hear what I said?
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Speaker 5: No law enforcement professional wears a mask. None, none. And
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Speaker 5: so we stand here today with all those who stand
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Speaker 5: against the made up, fake, what you can call ICE
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Speaker 5: professional law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: I don't call them none of that.
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Speaker 5: I call them made up, fake want to be law enforcements.
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Speaker 2: Strong stuff.
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Speaker 3: ICE agents are fake wannabes. According to Sheriff Rochelle Belal,
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Speaker 3: which brings us to irony because here's the very professional
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Speaker 3: sheriff Rochelle Balal starring in Philadelphia Police Department's latest recruitment video.
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Speaker 3: And I promise you this is real.
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Speaker 1: We're afraid of that.
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Speaker 3: Was that a police recruitment video or an audition for
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Speaker 3: the opening ceremony of the Paris Olympics.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
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Speaker 3: I'm also not sure they're going to apprehend any criminals
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Speaker 3: by waving around those fans. But the flys in Philadelphia,
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Speaker 3: well they're certainly on notice. Trump comes in for his
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Speaker 3: share of criticism about the way he does things, but honestly,
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Speaker 3: when you look at the alternatives in America, is Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump really the problem?
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Speaker 6: Now?
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Speaker 3: If you've ever wondered what Hollywood thinks of Christians, well
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Speaker 3: wonder no more. A couple of weeks ago, Don Lemon
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Speaker 3: joined the mob of anti ice protesters who stormed a
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Speaker 3: church service in Minneapolis. The raucous mob interrupted and intimidated
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Speaker 3: Christians at worship because they said one of the pastoral
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Speaker 3: staff was also working as an immigration Customs enforcement agent
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Speaker 3: Forhmacy and n host. Don Lemon was part of the
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Speaker 3: protest and explained that terrorizing Christian families in a church
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Speaker 3: was perfectly legitimate, even important.
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Speaker 7: There's nothing in the Constitution that tells you what time
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Speaker 7: you can protest. You can protest at anytime. That's the
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Speaker 7: whole point of it is to disrupt, to make uncomfortable,
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Speaker 7: and that's what they're doing. And that's what I believe
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Speaker 7: when I say everyone has to be willing to sacrifice something.
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Speaker 7: You have to make people uncomfortable.
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Speaker 3: And now you would think a guy who, as a
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Speaker 3: result of that disgraceful performance, is now charged with conspiracy
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Speaker 3: and interfering with the First Amendment rights of worshipers would
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Speaker 3: be no, no, no, bashful, not a chance.
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Speaker 2: Not when he.
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Speaker 3: Arrived at a Grammy Awards party last night, where he
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Speaker 3: received a hero's welcome.
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Speaker 1: He terrorized a church service legend.
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Speaker 3: Can you imagine how Hollywood elites would have reacted if
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Speaker 3: the roles were a little different, if an angry mob
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Speaker 3: had marched through a mosque because of some political grievance.
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Speaker 3: Tell you what the denunciations would have lit up Times Square,
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Speaker 3: but violate the civil rights of Christians and standing ovation
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Speaker 3: from Hollywood elites. Message received loud and clear. Now I
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Speaker 3: didn't want to talk any more about the Grammys. But
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Speaker 3: then Billie Eilish happened, and well you need to hear this,
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Speaker 3: if only to marvel at the sheer audacity of modern
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Speaker 3: celebrity reasoning. Now, as you know, Donald Trump is rounding
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Speaker 3: up people living in the US illegally. Democrats are outraged, naturally,
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Speaker 3: because feelings now outrank law, history, and even basic logic.
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Speaker 3: Never mind borders, never mind rules, never mind consequences. Feelings first,
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Speaker 3: everything else is optional. Haven't listened to Billy Eilish's piercing
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Speaker 3: logic when addressing illegal immigration last night?
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Speaker 8: No one is illegal on stolen land.
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Speaker 3: Well, that is peak celebrity logic right there. If nobody's illegal,
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Speaker 3: then nothing's a law. And if nothing's a law, then
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Speaker 3: you no longer have a country. You just have a
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Speaker 3: shopping mall with no security. As we've pointed out many times,
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Speaker 3: those who insist that the United States, or indeed Australia
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Speaker 3: has been built on stolen land never offer to give
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Speaker 3: back their homes, which, by their own logic, exist on
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Speaker 3: stolen land. But here's the thing that angers me most.
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Speaker 3: These multi millionaires who sit there cheering for the destruction
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Speaker 3: of the West. What do they do after the show? Well,
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Speaker 3: after the show, they all retreat behind the gates and
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Speaker 3: high fences of their secure estates. In other words, they
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Speaker 3: stir up revolution, knowing full well they'll be perfectly fine
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Speaker 3: behind their motes. It's the rest of us, unpaid extras
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Speaker 3: in the elitees moral drama, who have to deal with
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Speaker 3: the mayhem resulting from their arrogant, illogical and hypocritical posturing.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what their ignorance is astounding great performers, though,
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Speaker 3: all right, we need to talk about the liberal and
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Speaker 3: national parties and exhibit in political slapsticks. So good even
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Speaker 3: the PM is getting in on the act.
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Speaker 9: The other side will allow them to engage in their
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Speaker 9: bizarre behavior. I note that Married at First Sight begins tonight,
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Speaker 9: and it's a bit like that with the relationships on
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Speaker 9: the other side.
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Speaker 6: You know they're going to end badly.
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Speaker 9: You know there's going to be cheating involved, and they're.
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Speaker 6: Going to be not true for to each other.
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Speaker 3: Will joining me now to unpick the circus is Sky
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Speaker 3: News host Steve Price and former Speaker of the House
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Speaker 3: Bronwin Bishop.
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Speaker 6: Welcome to you both, Steve.
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Speaker 3: Let me start with you season Susan Lee and David
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Speaker 3: Little Proud met this evening to reconcile.
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Speaker 6: No word yet on the result.
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Speaker 3: But both leaders are badly damaged by this affair.
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Speaker 6: Even if they patch things up, they're damaged. Goods, aren't they?
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Speaker 10: Well? Are they ever?
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Speaker 11: And I think what they want to try and avoid
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Speaker 11: and Broma would know this better than anyone. Is that
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Speaker 11: image tomorrow when question time begins at two o'clock in
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Speaker 11: the afternoon of the Liberals sitting there on their own
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Speaker 11: in their normal spot greatly diminished because half the front
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Speaker 11: bench are gone with the Gnats and they're sitting over
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Speaker 11: with the Teals. I mean, the Teals will be terrified
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Speaker 11: tomorrow if they've got the Gnats sitting next to them.
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Speaker 11: That's going to be a dreadful look for the coalition.
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Speaker 11: So you might see perhaps a coalition put back together
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Speaker 11: in a cobble together way somehow tonight, and they might
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Speaker 11: be able to sit together again tomorrow. But I'll tell
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Speaker 11: you what I am worried about, James, and that is
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Speaker 11: that a sixty two year old I think elbow is
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Speaker 11: sixty two man knows when married at first sight starts.
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Speaker 11: I mean, why would he How would he know that?
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Speaker 11: I mean I didn't know that. I know it now
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Speaker 11: I don't watch it. Why would he be caring about it?
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Speaker 3: Well, Steve, that explains why the country's going so badly.
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Speaker 2: The PM's watching reality television.
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Speaker 6: Instead of taking care of their economy.
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Speaker 3: Brom When, as I said, Susan Lee and David Little
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Speaker 3: Proud met tonight, Kevin Hogan announced after their meeting that
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Speaker 3: there would be no reconciliation this evening. I mean, it's
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Speaker 3: just one bumble after another. They need to sort this
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Speaker 3: out asap, and I don't think they can afford to
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Speaker 3: go into tomorrow still trying to work things out. Why
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Speaker 3: couldn't they have done it tonight and sorted it if
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Speaker 3: indeed they were going to reunify.
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Speaker 6: They just keep letting things.
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Speaker 12: Go, the words thither, they keep dithering, and it's got
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Speaker 12: to stop. You know, the reality is that the majority
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Speaker 12: of voters prefer the right of politics to the left.
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Speaker 12: If you add together the Liberals, the Nationals and One Nation,
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Speaker 12: there are more of them than there are Labor and
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Speaker 12: the Greens. So it's time that they took advantage of that,
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Speaker 12: stop the dithering that's going on, and realize that their
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Speaker 12: future relies and coming to some form of a common
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Speaker 12: Because the polls are not going to change dramatically come
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Speaker 12: an election. There will be a perception that the vote
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Speaker 12: will return to where it used to be. Too late
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Speaker 12: for that, there has to be a realignment.
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Speaker 6: Well, talking of.
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Speaker 3: The polls, the latest poll from the Australian Financial Review
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Speaker 3: and Redbridge has the Liberals and Nationals in an absolute
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Speaker 3: hole from when their combined primary vote down to nineteen percent,
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Speaker 3: well One Nation surging to twenty six percent, and Steve,
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Speaker 3: the thing that interests me is now the favored leader,
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Speaker 3: which has heads turning. Pauling Hanson the most popular politician
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Speaker 3: in the country on thirty eight percent, while Susan Lee's
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Speaker 3: ratings in free fall ten percent.
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Speaker 2: Here's I guess my question.
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Speaker 3: With One Nation hitting twenty six percent, Steve, I don't
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Speaker 3: think you can now write that office just a protest vote.
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Speaker 3: It's too large, Isn't it to be dismissed in that fashion?
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Speaker 11: One hundred percent? I saw caused Samars talking to Peter
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Speaker 11: Kredlin tonight and he tried to break down the demographics
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Speaker 11: of this and he talked about Generation X and he
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Speaker 11: said that these were the people who, when they were
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Speaker 11: in their thirties were known as Howard's battlers. Some of
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Speaker 11: them drifted off to Labor, some of them drifted off
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Speaker 11: to the Liberal and National Party. But they're angry. And
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Speaker 11: the reason they're angry is because they've got problems at
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Speaker 11: both ends of their family. They've got elderly parents who
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Speaker 11: are not being looked after properly in age care, and
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Speaker 11: those November one changes Labor made are really making it
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Speaker 11: difficult for people. I'm going through that with my own
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Speaker 11: mother at the moment. And at the other end, they've
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Speaker 11: got kids who are trying to save enough money to
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Speaker 11: get a mortgage and they're going to have a rate
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Speaker 11: rise tomorrow. So these people are all going, well, maybe
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Speaker 11: one thing we should be doing, James and Broman is
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Speaker 11: stopping immigration for a while, settle the numbers down and
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Speaker 11: let the country get back to some sort of point
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Speaker 11: where people can actually afford to live. I mean, this
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Speaker 11: is why people are angry. And when you're angry, what
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Speaker 11: do you do? Will you park your vote or your
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Speaker 11: intention vote in a party that's got strong policies on
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Speaker 11: something as simple as immigration.
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Speaker 3: So Brom, when the Coalitions vote is at nineteen percent,
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Speaker 3: that's astonishing. I bet you never contemplated ever in your
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Speaker 3: political career that the vote would get that low.
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Speaker 6: But here's my question to you, has it riched rock bottom?
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Speaker 12: Well, it doesn't matter whether it's rock bottom or not.
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Speaker 12: It is so low that there has to be a
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Speaker 12: realignment and of rethinking. I mean, you can go back
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Speaker 12: to the thirties and the establishment of the UAP and
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Speaker 12: Labor Conservative Labors coming to join the Nationalists to join
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Speaker 12: up together to form a Conservative party when things were
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Speaker 12: about as bad as this, I would say. But at
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Speaker 12: the end of the day, why Poul and Hanson's One
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Speaker 12: Nation Party has been I think attracting attention and support
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Speaker 12: is because she is clear, concise and consistent. Party is dithering,
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Speaker 12: it really is. There doesn't seem to be anything that
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Speaker 12: they can come out with concretely. Now, when Tony Abbott
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Speaker 12: was leading and we went into that election in twenty ten,
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Speaker 12: I knew we could have the possibility of winning in
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Speaker 12: twenty ten and if it wasn't for a couple of
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Speaker 12: flaky x Nats, we would have won in twenty ten.
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Speaker 12: So it's important I think that we see a consolidation
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Speaker 12: within the Liberal Party with the Nats and accommodation with
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Speaker 12: One Nation along the way and they come up with
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Speaker 12: a policy that says we will keep the lights on,
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Speaker 12: we will give you cheap electricity, we will have we
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Speaker 12: will grow the pie so that people have got a
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Speaker 12: fair shee and can afford it. And to achieve those
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Speaker 12: things we have to cut immigration and return to what
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Speaker 12: I call the Howard dogma, which is that we will
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Speaker 12: determine who comes to this country and the manner in
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Speaker 12: which they'll come.
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Speaker 1: The line's already been Absolutely it's there.
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Speaker 3: And if I can add one more, see to your
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Speaker 3: brilliant alliteration, clear concise what was the other one?
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Speaker 2: Consistent conviction would be good.
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Speaker 3: To a political party with conviction. That's why pauling Hanson's
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Speaker 3: doing so well, Steve. The Liberals need someone who can
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Speaker 3: restore them as a true conservative party and be competitive.
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Speaker 6: Is Angus Taylor. The man.
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Speaker 11: Doesn't really impress me. I've got to say. I mean
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Speaker 11: Angus Taylor. When he was a Shadow Treasurer, they were
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Speaker 11: all over him in question time the Labor Party. He's
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Speaker 11: now Shadow Defense. I'm not sure that I've heard too
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Speaker 11: much from Angus about what his alternatives would be to
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Speaker 11: defend Australia. And he's a good looking bloke that always
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Speaker 11: helps he seems to be pretty smart. That probably helps
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Speaker 11: as well. But I mean they need to blow the
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Speaker 11: joint up and come up with someone fresh. And you now,
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Speaker 11: is that Andrew Hasty potentially? I mean, I'd love to
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Speaker 11: see Josh Friedenberg put his hand up again. Someone find
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Speaker 11: him a seat, put him back in charge and get
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Speaker 11: on with it. But I don't know whether Josh wants
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Speaker 11: to do that. But when you saw the performance that
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Speaker 11: he had made post the Bondai massacre, the documentary he
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Speaker 11: made for Sky on anti Semitism, the powerful voice that
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Speaker 11: he had when he was standing in front of that,
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Speaker 11: those floral tributes at Bondi, that's the sort of guy
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Speaker 11: you need leading the country. I mean, yes, I'd love
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Speaker 11: him back in charge of the coalition, but more i'd
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Speaker 11: like him in charge of our nation.
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Speaker 3: All right, Well, the coalition a rightfully red faced about
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Speaker 3: being so publicly exposed.
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Speaker 6: There's no such coyness from one nation. Far from it.
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Speaker 3: Today they've been teasing the public with a slow reveal
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Speaker 3: of what they promise to some big name recruits.
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Speaker 8: George Christiansen, you have to waitless the column voice.
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Speaker 6: It's I'll tell you what it's not column boys.
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Speaker 3: Am I warm with two of the names, Cory Bernardi
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Speaker 3: and Alex Antik. There's a lot of people suggesting they
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Speaker 3: might be the two who announced tomorrow to join One Nation.
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Speaker 2: Steve, would they be good pickups for one Nation?
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Speaker 11: Well, Ashby's in Adelaide, he did a cross tonight on
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Speaker 11: Sky and so obviously they're going to announce Bernardi tomorrow.
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Speaker 11: We know him very well from what Corey did here
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Speaker 11: on Sky for such a long time. He is a
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Speaker 11: person of conviction. So if they've recruited Corey Bernardi, that's
21:23
Speaker 11: a good thing. I think South Australia as a state
21:26
Speaker 11: is probably pretty strong for one Nation. Bernardi's really well
21:30
Speaker 11: known there, as is alec Antik. Now, Antik obviously won't
21:33
Speaker 11: be there tomorrow because he'll be in the Senate in Canberra.
21:36
Speaker 11: But if they were to pick those two up, and
21:38
Speaker 11: I had Ash Beyond my show a couple of weeks ago,
21:41
Speaker 11: he said that there's a third high profile person that's
21:44
Speaker 11: coming in as well, and there's some suggestion that that
21:47
Speaker 11: person is going to be someone with an economic background.
21:50
Speaker 11: So if they can pick up quality people like that,
21:53
Speaker 11: and you add it to Barnaby, well, then One Nation
21:56
Speaker 11: is then seen as a viable, legitimate opposition party, and
22:02
Speaker 11: that should wright nail out of the coalition.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, Steve, just quickly, when you say someone with an
22:06
Speaker 3: economic background, do you have a name?
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Speaker 11: No, but that's what they need. I mean, they need
22:13
Speaker 11: somebody who they could install as potentially a shadow treasurer.
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Speaker 3: What importance or what stock do you put in Alexandik
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Speaker 3: taking liberal branding off his office recently?
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Speaker 2: Anything into that.
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Speaker 12: I don't think Alexantik is going to defect to one nation.
22:32
Speaker 12: But Corey Bernardi, of course, is a free agent, and
22:36
Speaker 12: he's good looking rooster. You'll give them a go.
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Speaker 3: We need more than a good looking rooster. We need
22:41
Speaker 3: someone who can actually yes.
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Speaker 12: But he's a man of conviction as well.
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Speaker 2: Just just very quickly. This is something like confuses me.
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Speaker 3: If Alexantik is not going to go to one nation,
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Speaker 3: why doesn't he just say I'm not moving party? Why
22:54
Speaker 3: do just enterprise did the same thing. She refused to
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Speaker 3: be drawn on speculation. Why don't they just commit instead
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Speaker 3: of leaving the question lingering?
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Speaker 12: Well, they can have their own reasons for doing that.
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Speaker 12: They might be perhaps alive with somebody else to do
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Speaker 12: some other sort of maneuvering.
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Speaker 6: All right, the intrigue continues. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.
23:13
Speaker 3: We'll be talking about it tomorrow evening from when Bishop
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Speaker 3: Steve Price, thanks so much for joining me. All right,
23:18
Speaker 3: well joining me now is Nationals MP and Webster and
23:23
Speaker 3: welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you.
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Speaker 13: On, Great to be with you, James.
23:29
Speaker 3: And last time we spoke, I asked your thoughts on
23:31
Speaker 3: the Liberal leadership and you told me as a Nationals MP,
23:35
Speaker 3: that that topic was forbidden fruit. Here's our exchange, who
23:46
Speaker 3: should lead the Liberal Party?
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Speaker 13: Well, look, I know that the Liberals would take great
23:54
Speaker 13: joy in the Nationals telling them who should lead their party.
23:59
Speaker 13: We're not going to do you that. That is absolutely
24:02
Speaker 13: forbidden fruit.
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Speaker 6: So to speak.
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Speaker 13: We wouldn't welcome their views on who our leaders should
24:08
Speaker 13: be anymore than I would be making comment. I don't
24:12
Speaker 13: think you'll find a National Party member who's prepared to
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Speaker 13: get into that whirlpool.
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Speaker 3: And since then the Herald's son revealed you emailed a
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Speaker 3: poll to support us, asking them to vote on whether
24:23
Speaker 3: it was preferable for Susan Lee or someone else to
24:27
Speaker 3: be leader of the Liberals. So, just like Adam and
24:30
Speaker 3: Eve couldn't resist forbidden fruit.
24:32
Speaker 2: Seems like you couldn't either.
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Speaker 13: As a local MP of a very large electorate, it's
24:42
Speaker 13: very hard for me to get around and see and
24:45
Speaker 13: speak to everybody. My poll, which was a one question
24:50
Speaker 13: survey Monkey, was asking people to give me their thoughts
24:55
Speaker 13: on whether the National Party should rejoin the coalition. So
24:59
Speaker 13: it was about that. It was about us as a
25:01
Speaker 13: National party rejoining the coalition and under what circumstances. Number One,
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Speaker 13: if Susan was leader, is that would that be acceptable
25:12
Speaker 13: to you as a voter in Mali? If there was
25:16
Speaker 13: another Liberal leader, would that be acceptable to you as
25:19
Speaker 13: a member, as a voter in Mali, or would you
25:22
Speaker 13: prefer to see us the Nationals stay separate from the
25:26
Speaker 13: coalition for a period of time, maybe up to the
25:29
Speaker 13: upcoming election. I did see that particular article and I thought, well,
25:34
Speaker 13: you know, busted, I don't think so. I, as a
25:37
Speaker 13: local member, am very committed to hearing from my constituents.
25:41
Speaker 13: I want to know what they thought, and I am
25:45
Speaker 13: pleased to say that over two thousand did respond, and
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Speaker 13: the overwhelming thought that people have is that while it's
25:53
Speaker 13: messy for the moment, that being together as a coalition
25:59
Speaker 13: is the preference, and of course that's what we are
26:02
Speaker 13: doing as a national party. We are a party of principle.
26:05
Speaker 13: We are a party where principles matter, and that was
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Speaker 13: what actually drove us apart last week.
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Speaker 3: Can I just ask with that survey? So most people said, yes,
26:15
Speaker 3: it's good for the coalition to get back together. But
26:17
Speaker 3: in terms of the question asking better with Susan Lee
26:21
Speaker 3: or better with someone other than Susan Lee. Of the
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Speaker 3: two thousand respondents, which of those two options was the
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Speaker 3: most popular?
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Speaker 13: The probably is something that I'm not going to share
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Speaker 13: on national television. Actually that's your nation. No, no, no,
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Speaker 13: I'm not. I'm certainly very happy to share it with
26:45
Speaker 13: my party room because I think you know, as local members,
26:49
Speaker 13: then our responsibility is to be representing our electorates. That's
26:53
Speaker 13: what it's about. That's why I'm here, very fortunate to
26:57
Speaker 13: be here as somebody representing the elector of Malle.
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Speaker 2: I want to know.
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Speaker 3: One question, thinking that the people of your electric will
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Speaker 3: you share the survey results with them?
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Speaker 13: Yes, so they can share it with the Herald's son.
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Speaker 3: No, but the result, I mean not the survey, but
27:15
Speaker 3: those who participated in the survey, Will they get the results.
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Speaker 13: I am planning on writing to my people who responded
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Speaker 13: to the survey and giving them a breakdown of how
27:29
Speaker 13: it panned out.
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Speaker 2: And you're a good sport. I love having you on
27:32
Speaker 2: the show. Let's move on.
27:34
Speaker 3: David a Little Proud he survived a spill motion in
27:37
Speaker 3: the party room today after being challenged by Colin Boyce.
27:41
Speaker 2: The motion went nowhere.
27:43
Speaker 3: What was the vote though, did anyone back the motion
27:47
Speaker 3: or was David Little Proud unanimously supported.
27:52
Speaker 1: Look when we.
27:53
Speaker 13: Do a vote like that, it is a secret ballot.
27:57
Speaker 13: We don't know what the result was. All we know
28:00
Speaker 13: is that the spill was not supported and so David
28:04
Speaker 13: remained leader. And look, I've got to say that this
28:08
Speaker 13: has been an incredibly trying time and it's very difficult
28:13
Speaker 13: to have any other view about this than this was
28:16
Speaker 13: an alban easy setup and the coalition very unfortunately ended
28:23
Speaker 13: up being the ones wounded through this process. I would
28:28
Speaker 13: think Alban EASi, being the political person that he is,
28:34
Speaker 13: that they will try this again and again. That's why
28:37
Speaker 13: it's so important that we as a coalition have very
28:40
Speaker 13: strong boundaries, very strong commitment to the coalition when we
28:46
Speaker 13: get back together, which is why it's not just quick
28:48
Speaker 13: and sudden tonight, and none of us have fussed about that.
28:52
Speaker 13: We all have great respect for our relationship with the coalition,
28:56
Speaker 13: with the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: With the meeting tonight between David Little Proud, your leader,
29:01
Speaker 3: and Susan Lee. Is the reason there's no announcement tonight
29:04
Speaker 3: because they need to go back and talk to their
29:06
Speaker 3: respective party rooms about what was. Is that the reason
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Speaker 3: there's been nothing announced this evening.
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Speaker 13: It's certainly true that David will be coming back to us.
29:16
Speaker 13: We've got another party room meeting in the morning, and
29:20
Speaker 13: you know, I mean, James, I don't know how the
29:22
Speaker 13: other parties operate, but I've got to say that the
29:25
Speaker 13: National Party is the most democratic party that I know.
29:29
Speaker 13: And even through that process of those terrible bills, the
29:33
Speaker 13: Hate Crumb's Bill and the gun law reform which was
29:38
Speaker 13: concertining it into no time at all, with truncated debates
29:42
Speaker 13: and guillotine debates. The whole process was a shambles and
29:47
Speaker 13: I think it should be marked down in history as
29:50
Speaker 13: a shame on the Labor Party that they did that
29:52
Speaker 13: to the people of Australia, because ultimately it is the
29:55
Speaker 13: people of Australia who are going to wear the results
29:59
Speaker 13: of those two pieces of legislation, and we as a
30:03
Speaker 13: party had ten meetings. That's how much we talk together.
30:07
Speaker 13: And we are very very clear in the way that
30:10
Speaker 13: we communicate. None of us have any you know, embarrassment
30:14
Speaker 13: about what if our views are different to others. That's
30:18
Speaker 13: that is fantastic democracy. That is democracy at its best.
30:22
Speaker 13: And I wish every party operated that way, but I
30:25
Speaker 13: can guarantee you that's not the way the Labor Party works.
30:28
Speaker 3: And Webster always liked talking with you. Thanks for coming
30:31
Speaker 3: on the program.
30:32
Speaker 2: All right.
30:33
Speaker 3: Up next, how the former Queensland Labor government's two million
30:36
Speaker 3: dollar e bike rebate helped to fund illegal high powered rides.
30:40
Speaker 3: Hundreds of thousands in subsidies went the device's authorities say
30:44
Speaker 3: are too dangerous for the roads, and the New South
30:47
Speaker 3: Wales Parliamentary Committee recommends spanning a favorite pro Palestinian slogan.
30:52
Speaker 3: All of that up in a moment. Well Labor led
30:58
Speaker 3: New South Wales Parliamentary Committee has effectively backed the Min's
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Speaker 3: government move to ban the chant Globalize the Interfata, after
31:05
Speaker 3: concluding it's not fair political speech but a call for violence.
31:09
Speaker 3: The committee, though stopped short of recommending bans on other
31:12
Speaker 3: pro Palestinian slogans, such as from the River to the Sea.
31:17
Speaker 3: But the politics are messy already, with the Coalition and
31:20
Speaker 3: Greens both signaling they may not back any new laws
31:23
Speaker 3: and critics saying the inquiry was rushed with no public hearings.
31:27
Speaker 3: Joining me now is New South Wales political correspondent for
31:30
Speaker 3: the Australian Lachlan Leming. Lachlan should the min's government go
31:34
Speaker 3: ahead and ban this phrase?
31:36
Speaker 8: I think one of the funny things with the New
31:38
Speaker 8: South Wales government and with Chris Mins is Chris Mins
31:41
Speaker 8: is a very astute performer James, as you know, and
31:45
Speaker 8: I think it tends to lend itself. People forget that
31:47
Speaker 8: he's actually in a minority government, so he's going to
31:50
Speaker 8: have to get either the support of the Greens or
31:52
Speaker 8: the Coalition to get this across the line. So he
31:56
Speaker 8: is absolutely committed to doing it, he says, chance I
31:59
Speaker 8: globalizing FADA the first step towards sort of that raging
32:03
Speaker 8: anti Semitism that we tragically saw play out at Bondi.
32:08
Speaker 8: So the hard bit is he's definitely going to try,
32:11
Speaker 8: but he's going to have to either convince the Greens
32:13
Speaker 8: or the Coalition which may mean he has to change
32:15
Speaker 8: slightly what he wants to do.
32:17
Speaker 3: I could I mean, you're better informed than me on this,
32:19
Speaker 3: but I couldn't see the Greens supporting the band. The
32:22
Speaker 3: Coalitions say they agree that slogan should be banned, but
32:27
Speaker 3: they don't like.
32:28
Speaker 6: The rushed process.
32:29
Speaker 3: Will the Coalition be so stupid in my view as
32:32
Speaker 3: to vote against the legislation, So it's still okay to
32:37
Speaker 3: say globalizingto FADA because they were upset about the process.
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Speaker 6: I mean, the process is not the point, is it.
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Speaker 8: Well, this is where the politics come into it as well.
32:46
Speaker 8: James Right and the Coalition may very well end up
32:50
Speaker 8: supporting this. There's some in the party saying that that's
32:52
Speaker 8: where this will eventually go. But at the same time,
32:55
Speaker 8: I think they don't want to get in a position
32:57
Speaker 8: where the Men's government ever takes their vote or their
33:00
Speaker 8: support for granted. So at the moment they're going to
33:03
Speaker 8: try and do a make it look like it's a
33:05
Speaker 8: bit rush. The process was chaotic, But at the same
33:09
Speaker 8: time it's very likely they'll eventually come back around and
33:11
Speaker 8: support it.
33:12
Speaker 3: Talk to me about the fact that this labor led
33:15
Speaker 3: committee recommended globalize the interfar to be banned, but from
33:20
Speaker 3: the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, which
33:23
Speaker 3: implies the complete eradication of Israel. Apparently they recommended that's okay.
33:29
Speaker 3: What's the thinking behind that?
33:31
Speaker 8: I think it got to a point within that committee
33:33
Speaker 8: that globalized Intifata, and particularly the notion that it's a
33:39
Speaker 8: calling for a violent uprising, that seemed to be the
33:43
Speaker 8: phrase that really stuck out to the members of that
33:45
Speaker 8: committee as something that there was little room for interpretation on,
33:50
Speaker 8: Whereas I think on the other slogans that were discuss
33:54
Speaker 8: such as from the river to the sea, there's more
33:58
Speaker 8: interpretation that could be applied to. It makes it harder
34:01
Speaker 8: to because at the end of the day, these are
34:03
Speaker 8: going to have to be laws that are enforced. So
34:05
Speaker 8: globalizing Intifada, I think there was a thinking that there
34:09
Speaker 8: was less wiggle room on there. It would be easier
34:11
Speaker 8: for the courts and police to uphold once it's passed.
34:15
Speaker 3: So very quickly, because I know a lot of viewers
34:17
Speaker 3: of this program will be keen to know how this
34:20
Speaker 3: is going to play out. The committee has recommended that
34:23
Speaker 3: the phrase globalizing defada is banned.
34:26
Speaker 6: What's the process now? What happens from here? Yeah?
34:29
Speaker 8: Well, there was some thinking among the Coalition and the
34:32
Speaker 8: Greens that because this was a Labor dominated committee, maybe
34:37
Speaker 8: the legislation was ready to go, it had already been
34:39
Speaker 8: drawn up. I'm told that's not right. Labour's pretty keen
34:43
Speaker 8: to take their time with it, make sure they formulate
34:46
Speaker 8: it in a way that it can't be challenged in
34:49
Speaker 8: court and tossed out in the first week. So my
34:52
Speaker 8: understanding is they'll get the government lawyers onto it, draw
34:55
Speaker 8: it up and by probably the March sitting weeks we
34:58
Speaker 8: will see that come before Parliament.
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Speaker 3: All right, Before I let you go, I've got to
35:02
Speaker 3: ask you about Queensland politics. The former Queensland Labor government
35:06
Speaker 3: spent two million dollars giving rebates to people who purchased
35:09
Speaker 3: e bikes and scooters, but it's now emerged a big
35:12
Speaker 3: chunk of that money was used to buy devices that
35:14
Speaker 3: are illegal. New figures show about twenty percent of e
35:17
Speaker 3: bike rebates and almost ten percent of scooter rebates went
35:20
Speaker 3: for machines five times as powerful as the law permits
35:24
Speaker 3: and able to dose speeds more than twice the legal limit.
35:28
Speaker 6: This is typical Lachland, isn't it When governments.
35:30
Speaker 3: Throw out free money and don't do due diligence on
35:35
Speaker 3: the accountability aspect.
35:37
Speaker 8: My thoughts exactly, James. When this was part of Queensland
35:40
Speaker 8: Labour's big cash splash before their election, they were throwing
35:44
Speaker 8: money out at everything and of that two million dollars,
35:48
Speaker 8: how much of that do you think went towards regulation?
35:50
Speaker 8: I don't have an answer for that, but I can
35:52
Speaker 8: safely assume it wasn't a great big chunk of it.
35:55
Speaker 3: Indeed, Lachlan, I appreciate your time, thanks for joining me,
35:58
Speaker 3: pleasure to speak with you.
35:59
Speaker 2: Thanks shame all right, we're going to go to a break.
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Speaker 3: Coming up, Australia's top education researcher is warning that literacy
36:05
Speaker 3: levels are subpar and says curriculum reviews keep being hijacked
36:09
Speaker 3: by people who care more about indoctrinating your kids in
36:12
Speaker 3: the culture wars than about teaching them to read and write.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kevin Donnelly will join me after this.
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Speaker 12: Well.
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Speaker 3: Australia's top education researcher, Jenny Donovan, is calling out schools
36:25
Speaker 3: for failing to properly teach reading and writing to students.
36:29
Speaker 3: She said, and I quote, it's been a bit of
36:31
Speaker 3: a sad pattern that reviews of curriculum have descended into
36:35
Speaker 3: opportunities for culture wars where a liberal democracy and that
36:38
Speaker 3: involves finding a way to live with various viewpoints and
36:41
Speaker 3: coming to an agreement about what is best for our
36:44
Speaker 3: children shouldn't be as hard as we've made it in
36:46
Speaker 3: the past. Now, if you want an example, maths teachers
36:51
Speaker 3: are expected to incorporate indigenous dance, basket weaving, and storytelling
36:56
Speaker 3: into lessons. Really joining me now to discuss is author
36:59
Speaker 3: doctor Kes Kevin Donnelly Kevin always great to have you
37:02
Speaker 3: on the program. Do you agree with Jenny Donovan that
37:06
Speaker 3: the culture wars have become a distraction from lifting things
37:10
Speaker 3: like literacy rates in our schools?
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Speaker 10: Well, James, thank you for having me on the show.
37:16
Speaker 10: I'd say yes and no, And I need to explain obviously.
37:22
Speaker 10: The reality is, over the last ten twenty years, in particular,
37:25
Speaker 10: because of nap Plan, we've had literacy and uracy testing
37:29
Speaker 10: at year three, five, seven, and nine, and in primary
37:33
Speaker 10: school in particular, teachers have become more aware of the
37:36
Speaker 10: need to teach fon its phonemic awareness, the basics, if
37:41
Speaker 10: you like. So we've had that gradual change, and what
37:45
Speaker 10: troubles me is somebody who reviewed the curriculum. What troubles
37:49
Speaker 10: me is that the culture War was so called, it's
37:53
Speaker 10: still embedded in the curriculum, the Australian curriculum. So we
37:58
Speaker 10: still need to address the fact that many young people
38:02
Speaker 10: are leaving school being indoctrinated with woke ideology instead of
38:07
Speaker 10: being educated. So I'd have to say yes and no
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Speaker 10: to that question.
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Speaker 2: How did we end up with a curriculum that is
38:14
Speaker 2: so cluttered.
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Speaker 3: You often hear teachers talking about the fact it's just
38:18
Speaker 3: too hard to teach.
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Speaker 10: When I was a teacher, and I taught for eighteen years,
38:23
Speaker 10: we had an expression we called anybody who left the
38:26
Speaker 10: classroom and became an educational bureaucrat. We called them escape
38:31
Speaker 10: ees from the classroom. What we meant was that teaching
38:35
Speaker 10: is a very difficult job. It's a fabulous job to
38:39
Speaker 10: engage young people, to educate them, and it's a great
38:42
Speaker 10: calling to be a teacher. But there are some teachers who,
38:45
Speaker 10: for whatever reason, couldn't cope or didn't enjoy it, so
38:49
Speaker 10: they often became educational bureaucrats. And when you look at
38:53
Speaker 10: the education system in Australia, we have the Commonwealth government,
38:57
Speaker 10: we have state governments and territory. We've got this huge
39:01
Speaker 10: education bureaucracy, and I've seen this over the last thirty
39:05
Speaker 10: forty years. Many of those people responsible for writing the
39:09
Speaker 10: curriculum are not classroom teachers. They don't have that practical experience.
39:15
Speaker 10: Many bureaucrats who've left the classroom a long time ago,
39:20
Speaker 10: if they've ever taught, and so we have this very
39:23
Speaker 10: top down bureaucratic approach, what I call being run by educrats.
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Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question that I've been wondering about.
39:33
Speaker 3: You're a good person to answer this, because you've reviewed
39:35
Speaker 3: the curriculum, you've been in classes. What's if you could
39:39
Speaker 3: put it simply, what's the purpose of education and schooling?
39:43
Speaker 2: And have we completely lost it? Do you think?
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Speaker 10: Well, firstly, we have lost it. I've been doing a
39:50
Speaker 10: lot of work with parents and schools starting their own sorry,
39:54
Speaker 10: parents and teachers starting their own schools because they're so
39:58
Speaker 10: worried about the fact that often what happens at school,
40:02
Speaker 10: we've lost that sense of what's the purpose. Now for
40:05
Speaker 10: many of these parents, it's about having a curriculum that's
40:09
Speaker 10: intellectually rigorous, morally grounded, and emotionally and spiritually enriching. We
40:16
Speaker 10: need to get away from this woke ideology in doctrination.
40:20
Speaker 10: We need to get back to what Matthew Arnold, the
40:24
Speaker 10: English poet many years ago, talked about the purpose of
40:28
Speaker 10: education was to teach what's been thought, the best that's
40:33
Speaker 10: been thought and said. More recently, the Blackburn Report in
40:36
Speaker 10: Victoria taught about our best validated knowledge and artistic achievements.
40:41
Speaker 10: We are a Western liberal democracy. There's a lot of
40:44
Speaker 10: great there's a lot of greatness in Western culture for
40:48
Speaker 10: all its foults. What we should be doing is introducing
40:52
Speaker 10: young people to that culture. That Western culture, which is
40:56
Speaker 10: grounded in subjects like history and music, literature are that
41:00
Speaker 10: go back through the Renaissance, the Reformation, to the ancient Greeks,
41:06
Speaker 10: to the Romans. We need to get back to allowing
41:09
Speaker 10: children to engage in that conversation.
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Speaker 3: Very very good, doctor, Kevin Donnelly, thanks for joining me tonight.
41:17
Speaker 3: All right now, before we hit the break, the Herald's
41:20
Speaker 3: son is reporting that Dan Andrews is recovering from a
41:23
Speaker 3: serious medical episode. No details on what exactly the medical
41:27
Speaker 3: episode was, but there is word it was a neurological
41:30
Speaker 3: episode that has affected his movement and speech. The Herald's
41:34
Speaker 3: son has being told mister Andrews was in a very
41:37
Speaker 3: bad way, but his condition has been improving. We'll bring
41:41
Speaker 3: you more on that through the night as it comes
41:43
Speaker 3: to light. All right after the break. The New Milania
41:46
Speaker 3: Trump documentary is performing better than anyone expected at the
41:49
Speaker 3: box office.
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Speaker 2: Even as the critic savage it.
41:52
Speaker 3: We'll ask whether this is real curiosity or just politics
41:55
Speaker 3: with Skyn's contributed koshergada after this, well, it's being promoted
42:02
Speaker 3: by Donald Trump as a must watch. The New Millennia
42:05
Speaker 3: documentary has opened with around seven million dollars at the
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Speaker 3: US box office, the strongest documentary deboot.
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Speaker 2: In at least the last ten years.
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Speaker 3: It's also reportedly the most expensive documentary ever made, with
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Speaker 3: a huge spend on rights and marketing, and even though
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Speaker 3: audiences seem to like it, critics have absolutely panned it.
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Speaker 3: Were we really expecting anything else?
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Speaker 2: Joining me now?
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Speaker 3: Is sky one is contributor Kosher garda kosher great to
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Speaker 3: have you on the program. Should we read this as
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Speaker 3: genuine interest in Milania or is it just political tribalism?
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Speaker 14: Great question, James. I think it is a little bit
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Speaker 14: of both. There is definitely tribalism, because the hall Naga
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Speaker 14: set knows how much the left and the entertainment industry
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Speaker 14: and specifically a fashion industry has snubbed Millennia. And it's
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Speaker 14: so funny given that she is a straight cutout of
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Speaker 14: a first Left and came from the fashion industry. But
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Speaker 14: I also think there is genuine interest because she is
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Speaker 14: a little bit of an enigma. She's very private, doesn't
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Speaker 14: seem to want to thrust herself into the forefront the
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Speaker 14: way other recent first ladies have. She's absolutely gorgeous, so
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Speaker 14: she's very intriguing to look at, and her background and
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Speaker 14: growing up in communist Europe, Eastern Europe, and how she
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Speaker 14: came to the US and all of that stuff. So
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Speaker 14: while that wasn't the focus of this documentary, we don't
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Speaker 14: know that much about her really, and I think that
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Speaker 14: was definitely part of it as well. So I think
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Speaker 14: it's a little bit of both.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the documentary focuses on the twenty days and the
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Speaker 3: lead up to Trump's inauguration for his second term. Amazon
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Speaker 3: has spent seventy five million dollars on this documentary. Do
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Speaker 3: you reckon they're concerned about making a profit or do
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Speaker 3: they not so much care whether it makes a profit.
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Speaker 2: This is more of a political investment.
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Speaker 14: Again, I have to say I think it's a little
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Speaker 14: bit of both. There is a precedent of this. You know,
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Speaker 14: Netflix cut one hundred two hundred million dollars deal with
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Speaker 14: the Obamas when they left office to run their production company,
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Speaker 14: and I think we all know that they're not exactly
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Speaker 14: film producers. So that's just the nature of the world
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Speaker 14: that we live in right now. You sort of it's
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Speaker 14: a little bit of a quid pro quote probably, But
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Speaker 14: I also think it's an interesting project and it is
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Speaker 14: important for the industry because this industry, Hollywood and entertainment
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Speaker 14: has been so captured by the left in terms of
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Speaker 14: the Big four studios, the types of content that they
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Speaker 14: put out, the ways distributed, and if this can crack
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Speaker 14: that a little bit and show a different way where
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Speaker 14: somebody who is a polarizing figure, maybe not Millennia personally,
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Speaker 14: but just the Trump brand, but has a lot of
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Speaker 14: support from the right half of the country tens of million,
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Speaker 14: seventy nine million people to be precise, support them, and
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Speaker 14: there isn't much content being made catering to them. This
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Speaker 14: is interesting if it sort of shows the way, or
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Speaker 14: gives a blueprint of how you can finance films that
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Speaker 14: actually speaks to half the country that Hollywood tends to ignore.
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Speaker 2: I said earlier. The critics have absolutely panned it.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw the review in The Guardian,
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Speaker 3: but they described the film as and KOSHERI I quote,
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Speaker 3: a medieval tribute to for sake, the greedy king on
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Speaker 3: his throne.
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Speaker 2: Gilded trash.
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Speaker 3: Two hours of pure, endless hell and kosher. That was
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Speaker 3: one of the one of the kinder reviews. Critics gave
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Speaker 3: it ten percent on Rotten Tomatoes, but it had a
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Speaker 3: ninety nine percent approval score from the audience on Rotten Tomatoes.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of that disconnect.
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Speaker 14: I think it's a perfect microcosm of the country, the
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Speaker 14: everyman and what they want versus the elites and the
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Speaker 14: experts telling you don't believe your lying eyes. This is
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Speaker 14: an ugly piece of trash. As he said, horrible film.
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Speaker 14: Don't enjoy it even if you find it enjoyable. But
45:37
Speaker 14: the everyday person found it quite refreshing. And I think
45:40
Speaker 14: we see the same thing in politics.
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Speaker 3: Just before we move on to something else, I read
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Speaker 3: that Milania Trump was paid twenty million dollars for her
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Speaker 3: participation in the documentary and the irony of it, people
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Speaker 3: getting upset that she was paid twenty million dollars. The
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Speaker 3: US media could have had her for free. But they
45:57
Speaker 3: didn't want her, did they. They ignored her, they ostracized her,
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Speaker 3: they panned her. So can you really blame Malania for saying, well,
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Speaker 3: if you guys don't want me, I'll participate in my
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Speaker 3: own thing.
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Speaker 14: Not at all. That's a really funny and a stud point.
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Speaker 14: She actually stood up her own production company and actually
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Speaker 14: produced the film. And you know that's the way the
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Speaker 14: model works in films. If you're the producer, you own
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Speaker 14: the IP, you get that line's share. And yep, they've
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Speaker 14: had access to her now for over a decade, and
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Speaker 14: you know they sat on her hands, right.
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Speaker 3: Trump says the latest Epstein document dump actually clears him,
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Speaker 3: and now he's threatening to sue author Michael Wolfe and
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Speaker 3: even the Epstein estate because Trump claims that the latest
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Speaker 3: Epstein files show wolf and Epstein were conspiring to damage
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Speaker 3: him politically.
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Speaker 2: What was the conspiracy?
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Speaker 14: What he's alleging is that they were sort of talking
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Speaker 14: behind the scenes. I think there's a couple of quotes
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Speaker 14: in some of those emails where Michael Wolfe was advising
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Speaker 14: Epstein on how to stage a narrative to some negative
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Speaker 14: press that was coming out against him, and Epstein allegedly said, well,
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Speaker 14: how would Trump react to this? And maybe they were
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Speaker 14: having some inside speak on that I don't know what
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Speaker 14: criminality there is and that it just looks like standard
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Speaker 14: discussing and media strategy per se. And so I think
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Speaker 14: the reason for Trump doing this is he does tend
47:19
Speaker 14: to use litigation as a media strategy, and it's a
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Speaker 14: way to drive and shape the narrative, drive the news cycles.
47:26
Speaker 14: Maybe you get some settlements here and there that don't
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Speaker 14: prove guilt in a criminal sense, but do sort of
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Speaker 14: embarrass people that have been at his throat for the
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Speaker 14: better part of the last decade. And that's probably what
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Speaker 14: this is about.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's finish with the Grammys because we need
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Speaker 3: to talk about it. I talked about it earlier, but
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Speaker 3: there's so much to talk about in that bad Bunnies
47:43
Speaker 3: picked up a Grammy and he's used a moment to
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Speaker 3: call Ice out.
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Speaker 2: Take a look.
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Speaker 14: Before I say.
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Speaker 15: Thanks to God, I'm gonna say eyes out, kosher.
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Speaker 2: The Grammy's political are we surprised.
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Speaker 14: As surprised as I was when the sun rose in
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Speaker 14: the East. It's running, James. They're so predictable, so boring,
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Speaker 14: and you know, that's what you get, and that's probably
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Speaker 14: why their ratings are down and nobody's really paying attention
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Speaker 14: to what they're saying.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, Kosher Garda, always great to discuss us news with you.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining me.
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Speaker 3: Well that's all I've got time for tonight. I'll be
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Speaker 3: with you again tomorrow, but coming up right now. He's
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Speaker 3: the wonderful Paul Murray