Latest / In Moderation / Celebrating 10K Downloads, Debunking Diet Myths & Misinformation
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- 0:18Speaker 1: Hey everybody, welcome back to the podcast in moderation, the number one fitness podcast in New Zealand.
- 0:25Speaker 1: You heard it right here.
- 0:26Speaker 1: Guys, we hit a milestone.
- 0:27Speaker 1: We're excited, not just New Zealand, also apparently Portugal and other places around the world, israel, israel.
- 0:35Speaker 1: It might take a little while for us to crack that nut in the United States, but we'll get there.
- 0:41Speaker 2: We'll get there eventually.
- 0:42Speaker 2: We're getting there.
- 0:42Speaker 2: We're getting there, one country at a time.
- 0:45Speaker 2: Liam, you know what else?
- 0:46Speaker 2: You know what else, what else, what else.
- 0:48Speaker 2: We also hit 10,000 downloads, 10,000 downloads in New Zealand Worldwide, oh, just worldwide.
- 0:57Speaker 1: Okay, we'll explain why we'd be number one in New Zealand if they were just all I mean.
- 1:01Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
- 1:03Speaker 2: I would be like huge shout out to New, zealanders, new Zealand's really killing it.
- 1:08Speaker 1: For us.
- 1:08Speaker 1: That's awesome, all right, so I guess that's enough of that.
- 1:12Speaker 1: What are we talking about today, rob?
- 1:14Speaker 1: What are we doing?
- 1:15Speaker 2: Well, we're going to take a page out of our book, from the episode three on goals.
- 1:20Speaker 2: I believe it was who knows anymore.
- 1:22Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who knows anymore.
- 1:24Speaker 2: Celebrate our achievements.
- 1:25Speaker 2: We're going to celebrate hitting 10,000.
- 1:28Speaker 2: And I've got a list of questions here from viewers that we are going to go through.
- 1:36Speaker 1: Viewers.
- 1:36Speaker 1: Is it viewers or listeners?
- 1:37Speaker 1: Because we're not really viewing the audio of the podcast.
- 1:43Speaker 2: Well, funny enough.
- 1:44Speaker 2: Most people are listeners, yes, but the people on Patreon do get to view us in our outtakes.
- 1:51Speaker 2: Fancy, yeah.
- 1:53Speaker 2: So anybody looking to watch us behind the scenes in our outtakes head over to our Patreon.
- 2:00Speaker 2: That's also where you'll find news and updates for the podcast.
- 2:05Speaker 1: Trust me, there's plenty of outtakes, more outtakes than you could ever imagine.
- 2:09Speaker 2: There's a 10 minute long rant from Liam there.
- 2:12Speaker 1: It's only 10 minutes.
- 2:13Speaker 1: That can't be right.
- 2:15Speaker 2: It's going to be longer than that.
- 2:16Speaker 1: My rant's going on at least half hour, at least half hour.
- 2:21Speaker 2: Well, it was because it was with Andy, and I think you just wanted to not subject her to the entire thing.
- 2:27Speaker 1: I have to let other people talk.
- 2:29Speaker 1: It's the hardest part of my day, yeah.
- 2:32Speaker 2: But we do have a question from our Patreon here.
- 2:35Speaker 2: What's number one?
- 2:36Speaker 1: What are we answering?
- 2:37Speaker 1: I mean, I'm assuming it's about the mating rituals of red pandas, but I don't know for sure.
- 2:42Speaker 1: I guess I'll just wait and find out.
- 2:45Speaker 2: Oh, it's 100% about the mating rituals of red pandas.
- 2:47Speaker 2: Everybody wants to hear all about that.
- 2:49Speaker 1: Either that or 17th century French architecture, I don't even remember.
- 2:52Speaker 2: If that's what I said before, I just speak and I think about it later.
- 2:56Speaker 2: Uh, carol Payne asks can you explain fiber and net carbs?
- 3:03Speaker 2: It's not really a myth, but my understanding is your body doesn't use the calories from fiber, so on packaging they don't include fiber in the calorie count.
- 3:10Speaker 2: But people who track macros are always posting about how companies lie about calories and say that you should just track macros and count the fiber calories.
- 3:18Speaker 1: Yes, that is.
- 3:19Speaker 1: That's a very good question.
- 3:20Speaker 1: That is a very good question because because here's the thing, here's the thing, people, there's two different types of fiber.
- 3:26Speaker 1: You've got soluble fiber, soluble in water, and insoluble fiber, not soluble in water.
- 3:33Speaker 1: Now the thing is we can't really use or we can't.
- 3:36Speaker 1: We don't really get any calories from insoluble fiber.
- 3:39Speaker 1: Like our gut, bacteria can feed off it, but we don't really get any calories from that, like cellulose.
- 3:44Speaker 1: So like cows can eat grass, right, so they can just go out and eat grass.
- 3:47Speaker 1: If I go out and grass, it probably won't go so super well for me, and that's because they have the enzymes to break down cellulose.
- 3:52Speaker 1: I just feel like shit and probably a few other things.
- 3:55Speaker 2: Well, the question is how do you know that you feel like shit when you eat grass?
- 3:59Speaker 2: Have you been eating grass?
- 4:02Speaker 1: You think that's the worst thing I've done today.
- 4:04Speaker 1: You are sadly mistaken.
- 4:05Speaker 1: So yeah, you can't really get any calories from cellulose.
- 4:08Speaker 1: I think I've heard that you can get like 0.2 calories or something because, like, the bacteria breaks down, but you really don't get any calories from that.
- 4:17Speaker 1: So if you think of like, let's say, what the high fiber wraps, they always use insoluble fiber.
- 4:21Speaker 1: I think that's a good example.
- 4:22Speaker 1: So you're really not getting any calories from that.
- 4:24Speaker 1: They use cellulose, which, again, we don't really use, however, soluble fiber.
- 4:30Speaker 1: You get about two calories, I believe, from soluble fiber.
- 4:34Speaker 1: So a lot of times companies will discount that from the total calories, which so it's not.
- 4:40Speaker 1: It might not be totally accurate, but also we do have to remember that they're.
- 4:44Speaker 1: What is it, rob?
- 4:45Speaker 1: They're allowed to be off by 30%, 25% on the total calories, something like that, something around there.
- 4:52Speaker 2: And that's mostly because the exact amount of calories in that given food you only know by actually burning it.
- 5:03Speaker 2: That would be the only way to find out, and then if you burn it, you can't eat it.
- 5:06Speaker 1: Right, so it's probably be off a little bit.
- 5:09Speaker 1: Either way, I would just say if, like, if you're really counting calories, if you wanted to count the fiber you could, but it just gets real messy, cause you're like okay, so soluble fiber has this much soluble fiber, so I have to count two calories for that but none for insoluble.
- 5:25Speaker 1: So it can just get a little tricky.
- 5:27Speaker 1: Net carbs, though I guess I should say so you take the total carbs and you minus the net carbs.
- 5:32Speaker 1: So if you have 20 total carbs but there's 10 grams of fiber, there's only 10 net carbs.
- 5:39Speaker 2: Personally, I would say that net carbs are, in general, just some sort of fancy stick that some diets do like maybe.
- 5:53Speaker 2: Maybe atkins or whatever.
- 5:54Speaker 2: Yeah, keto, atkins, all that, yeah.
- 5:56Speaker 2: And if you're just dieting regularly, you're following our advice and stuff.
- 6:03Speaker 2: The fiber in the food is usually accounted for in the total calories.
- 6:08Speaker 2: If you're looking at the total calories, you don't have to worry about the net carbs.
- 6:11Speaker 2: The net carbs is just for people who are specifically looking at the carbs because they're on some fancy keto-ac in whatever diet.
- 6:20Speaker 1: And it can be beneficial for people who have insulin resistance of some type.
- 6:24Speaker 1: They got diabetes or whatever.
- 6:25Speaker 1: Fiber can help lower the glycemic index, you know.
- 6:29Speaker 1: So that can be beneficial for them.
- 6:31Speaker 1: But in general people ask are net carbs real or are they made up?
- 6:34Speaker 1: Mostly made up.
- 6:36Speaker 1: So there's like truth behind kind of net carbs, but for the most part it is.
- 6:41Speaker 1: It is a marketing thing and not really recognized.
- 6:45Speaker 2: Yeah, focus on the calories and focus on just getting fiber.
- 6:49Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about doing a bunch of fancy math.
- 6:51Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 6:52Speaker 1: Getting 15 grams of fiber per 1000 calories.
- 6:55Speaker 1: You eat somewhere around there.
- 6:56Speaker 1: So if you eat 2000 calories, 30 grams of fiber.
- 6:59Speaker 1: That's usually a good thing to area to shoot for.
- 7:03Speaker 2: OK, I like this next question.
- 7:04Speaker 2: If you were to reset your fridge, get rid of everything in your fridge and have to go buy things all over again, what would you buy?
- 7:14Speaker 1: Oh boy, like just everything, my goodness OK.
- 7:16Speaker 1: So I mean we could be here forever talking.
- 7:18Speaker 1: So I really want to try and hit like the main things that I always have, you know, in the fridge, first thing that comes to mind immediately.
- 7:27Speaker 1: So we'll go one for one.
- 7:28Speaker 1: So I'm going to start always Greek yogurt for me.
- 7:30Speaker 1: I got the light and fits.
- 7:32Speaker 1: I've got regular plain Greek yogurt because I use that instead of like sour cream for things, or you can sweeten it up, you could add berries, you could put some honey over it.
- 7:40Speaker 1: Greek yogurt is just so versatile.
- 7:43Speaker 1: You know, like people, I have vegan followers.
- 7:45Speaker 1: Why don't you go vegan?
- 7:46Speaker 1: Like listen, I honestly, if it was like people say cheese and whatnot for me is Greek yogurt.
- 7:49Speaker 1: I like that's the thing that I just I cannot give up is that is my it's so versatile.
- 7:55Speaker 2: I love it so much.
- 7:55Speaker 2: Personally, for me it's high protein milk.
- 8:00Speaker 2: I love drinking it, I use it in my cereal, I use it in my cooking, yeah dairy voice.
- 8:05Speaker 1: Let's go Very versatile for me.
- 8:08Speaker 2: It would be my first pick.
- 8:09Speaker 1: Yeah, so like a fair life or whatever you know, those ones Do you have?
- 8:14Speaker 2: fair life in Canada.
- 8:15Speaker 2: Is that we do.
- 8:15Speaker 2: Do you guys have?
- 8:16Speaker 2: You have fair life, we have fair life and we have a couple other Canadian brands.
- 8:20Speaker 2: Good for you guys.
- 8:23Speaker 1: Good for you guys stepping it up.
- 8:25Speaker 2: Actually having the American brand, which is surprising considering how strict our dairy gets regulated in regards to US imports.
- 8:35Speaker 1: I think the next thing I would say is probably I'm just going to put umbrella and just say condiments, like I don't want to say like each one, but like I love where you are about to say condoms.
- 8:42Speaker 1: Well no, those go in the freezer.
- 8:46Speaker 2: It's fine.
- 8:47Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, yeah.
- 8:48Speaker 2: What's them?
- 8:49Speaker 2: In the fridge like a fucking heathen.
- 8:52Speaker 1: So I would say, like like mustards and like I don't know hot sauces and like soy sauce or whatever, like all those sorts of things, like definitely like low calorie sauce, even like light mayonnaise, and like, oh, just like you know, it's so easy.
- 9:02Speaker 1: Like, just like you have a meal and you're like, ah, this is that great, throw some condiments on there, it's way better.
- 9:09Speaker 2: Yep, never be afraid of spices and condiments and all those things, absolutely so.
- 9:16Speaker 2: Are we counting the freezer in this?
- 9:19Speaker 1: I thought we were just doing fridge.
- 9:20Speaker 1: If we're doing, freezer, that's like, I mean, we can throw freezer stuff in there if you want to.
- 9:25Speaker 1: But I thought we were throwing freezer stuff in there.
- 9:27Speaker 2: I have to say fish of any like type, basically, but I love fish.
- 9:35Speaker 1: Like white fish or like salmon salmon either.
- 9:38Speaker 1: Whatever's on sale I mean it's got to be the mixed vegetables.
- 9:46Speaker 1: I always, always, always make sure I got like the mixed vegetable packets like the or the birds eye power blends.
- 9:53Speaker 1: I've got like beans and like grains and stuff in there.
- 9:55Speaker 1: That's just so.
- 9:56Speaker 1: It's the best.
- 9:56Speaker 1: It's the best because my vegetables often go bad before I get to them.
- 10:00Speaker 1: They're more expensive when they're fresh, like I always, always, always, always just make sure I have like some type of frozen vegetables in there and frozen fruit, both of those nice.
- 10:13Speaker 2: I am going back, and last one healthy choice.
- 10:16Speaker 1: The healthy choice.
- 10:16Speaker 1: The fudge bars Do you guys have those?
- 10:18Speaker 1: Do you guys like the Greek yogurt bars are like a hundred calories or like four or five grams of protein because they're just.
- 10:24Speaker 1: It's so good for moderation because you know you get a big thing of Ben and Jerry's.
- 10:27Speaker 1: I'm like going through that thing, like it's like I just got broken up and I'm 16 year old girl, but, like you know, you get those little French fudge pops that are like a hundred calories, 90 calories.
- 10:35Speaker 1: Amazing, love them.
- 10:38Speaker 2: I think we have them.
- 10:39Speaker 2: I don't like we might have them in like bigger city centers.
- 10:43Speaker 2: I don't think I've seen them in small town.
- 10:45Speaker 2: I mean, I just always assume you don't have anything, so I was just happy you had the milk Fair assumption, but my last thing for the fridge would have to be peas and carrots, because I fricking also love peas and carrots and I just like peas in the fridge now are in the freezer like frozen peas, or we're talking like just fresh fresh, fresh peas and carrots fresh.
- 11:10Speaker 2: What do you buy, like I?
- 11:11Speaker 1: can buy.
- 11:11Speaker 1: Were you guys just peas?
- 11:13Speaker 1: I always I see them in the can.
- 11:15Speaker 1: I see him frozen.
- 11:16Speaker 2: I never just buy like fresh, okay, so that's the benefit of living rural is there's tons of farms around here lots of so farmers markets, stuff like that.
- 11:24Speaker 2: I can get fresh peas and carrots and I love them.
- 11:30Speaker 2: I will sit there and snack on peas and carrots just raw peas and carrots.
- 11:34Speaker 2: I love them.
- 11:35Speaker 1: I always just thought of peas and carrots when you like in the movies and they don't know what to say.
- 11:40Speaker 1: You know, you just like we'll dub it in later and you say peas and carrots, peas and carrots, peas and carrots, because it looks like you're just talking and like we'll just dub it in later.
- 11:46Speaker 2: We'll throw something else in there, it doesn't matter that's the real trick here is I'm actually gonna dub this later and I'm gonna add something really witty in there.
- 11:55Speaker 1: I think it's peas and carrots, I don't remember.
- 11:57Speaker 1: Anyway, what's the next question?
- 12:00Speaker 2: what's our next question here?
- 12:02Speaker 2: I've heard flavored yogurt kills off the probiotics because it's sitting in the sugar.
- 12:08Speaker 2: Not really a question but more of a statement.
- 12:10Speaker 1: But well, yeah, I mean no, but like what do you, don't you?
- 12:15Speaker 1: You need a little bit of sugar in order to get the probiotics.
- 12:19Speaker 2: They literally survive on the sugars yeah, that's fuel sugar.
- 12:23Speaker 1: It's fuel like man I.
- 12:25Speaker 1: I know this isn't the point of the fucking question, but can we just talk about for a second, like the fucking demonization of sugar and how it's like the worst thing ever now, like you know, like, oh, it's worse.
- 12:35Speaker 1: Like, like you know, you got people within the grocery stores like, oh, this alcohol is better because it has less sugar.
- 12:41Speaker 1: I'm like this alcohol.
- 12:42Speaker 1: It's a literal toxin.
- 12:43Speaker 2: You worry?
- 12:43Speaker 1: about the sugar.
- 12:44Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
- 12:47Speaker 2: yeah, that whole thing just comes from the demonization of sugar.
- 12:51Speaker 2: The, the, the, the bacteria, the probiotics in the yogurt literally eat the sugar.
- 13:00Speaker 2: It is what they consume to survive.
- 13:02Speaker 2: There are some things that are added to yogurt to slow their growth so they're not eating all the sugar and then killing themselves off.
- 13:09Speaker 2: That would kill the bacteria the probiotics is if they ate all the sugar and had nothing else to eat yeah, this is.
- 13:18Speaker 1: I mean, it's just, it's just God, not a hand.
- 13:20Speaker 1: I get that question all like how much sugar is too much sugar?
- 13:22Speaker 1: I'm like I don't even.
- 13:23Speaker 1: I don't even like look at, I don't for myself, I don't even look at sugar like ever about how many grams I'm getting, whatever I do.
- 13:29Speaker 1: Am I getting enough fiber?
- 13:30Speaker 1: Am I getting enough protein?
- 13:31Speaker 1: Am I eating around the total number of calories?
- 13:34Speaker 1: I should be eating something you know in the range.
- 13:36Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be exactly somewhere then.
- 13:37Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine.
- 13:39Speaker 1: People like, how many sugars can I have from fruit?
- 13:41Speaker 1: Fucking as much as you want, I don't care if you're eating all the pineapples and mangoes, not kill, go, knock yourself out.
- 13:47Speaker 1: Oh so, yeah, it's fine.
- 13:50Speaker 1: Yogurt, pick whatever yogurt I like the light and fits there's.
- 13:53Speaker 1: The triple zero is too good.
- 13:55Speaker 1: There's lots of different, you know different flavored yogurts out there.
- 13:59Speaker 1: Pick whichever one you like.
- 14:00Speaker 1: You know I'd say, be aware of the sugar, just how many calories it can add, because sometimes you can get like the, the Chobani flips, and those are like 230 calories for just like a little thing.
- 14:09Speaker 1: It's how I'm like.
- 14:10Speaker 1: You know you still have them, just be aware of that.
- 14:12Speaker 2: That's all I like.
- 14:13Speaker 2: This next question it's gonna be nice and quick and short is ground beef processed?
- 14:17Speaker 1: I mean everything is processed in a way like everything's probably.
- 14:23Speaker 1: It's just like they take the cow, they they process it by grinding it up.
- 14:27Speaker 1: But like is it processed?
- 14:28Speaker 1: What are you saying, rob?
- 14:30Speaker 2: like we, when we think of processed, we're always thinking of the highly processed right exactly is that highly processed?
- 14:37Speaker 2: Word processed is kind of getting, yeah lost.
- 14:40Speaker 2: The definition for it is getting lost because, like, like Liam just said, everything is processed.
- 14:46Speaker 2: Unless you're eating that cow, as it's standing in the field, it is processed.
- 14:50Speaker 2: You had to cut it up, that's processing.
- 14:53Speaker 2: You have to grind it up, that's processing.
- 14:56Speaker 1: But in the grand scheme of things, no, I would not say like.
- 14:58Speaker 1: For me, even like things like I don't know frozen vegetables, I say like technically it's processed canned beans technically processed, but like generally no, they're not processed in the way that we think of, like a fucking Twinkie or a pop tart is processed yeah.
- 15:13Speaker 2: Next question is what should I be eating more of as a somewhat obese American fiber?
- 15:20Speaker 1: yeah, I mean yeah, exactly the things that make you feel, feel full fiber protein, literally the things we talk about all the time and I know it's boring like.
- 15:28Speaker 1: I get it, I get it.
- 15:28Speaker 1: People are born like, oh yeah, fruits, vegetables and beans, like I hear that all the time, like that's because it, that's, it's true.
- 15:34Speaker 1: There's no, there's no secret food.
- 15:36Speaker 1: They're like oh, wait till we tell you this food, this is the food that's really gonna do it and it's just like no, I mean just whatever.
- 15:43Speaker 1: Fruit, vegetable, legume, fatty fish, lean you know lean meats.
- 15:48Speaker 1: You know dairy, like you know, generally lower fat dairy, just because it's lower in calories, it's usually good.
- 15:54Speaker 2: You know whichever one of those you like, yeah and a lot of those fear mongering accounts, that especially unicity and their feel great system.
- 16:07Speaker 2: That's what it is yeah you look at the the accounts with the feel great system, they're always talking about how the Western diet has removed fiber all that fiber and that part is honestly true.
- 16:20Speaker 2: Like it is beneficial to add fiber back into your diet.
- 16:24Speaker 2: The rest of their stuff is crap, but that part is actually true.
- 16:28Speaker 1: Adding fiber back into your diet is great absolutely, and because we're gonna get asked after this one, I'm sure what about you?
- 16:34Speaker 1: Metamucil, what about psyllium husk, all that stuff it can be helpful, like if you want to add it into your diet to reach your total.
- 16:42Speaker 1: You know fiber, it can be helpful but it's not the same as getting it from Whole Foods like it's.
- 16:47Speaker 2: It's really not the same I personally keep a tub of metamucil on hand and I take it on a day where I don't think I'm getting enough fiber from the rest of my food.
- 16:56Speaker 2: Right, but I focus on getting it from the rest of the food first.
- 17:02Speaker 1: So yeah, good, not as good.
- 17:03Speaker 1: Get it if you want.
- 17:05Speaker 1: If it helps you, great, but still try and focus getting it from Whole Foods as much as you can is fried food occasionally really that bad?
- 17:15Speaker 1: I think no food occasionally is bad at all, unless your definition of food is some weird other definition than I have.
- 17:22Speaker 1: You know, like, oh, tide Pods occasionally.
- 17:26Speaker 1: Yes, that's bad, that's very bad.
- 17:27Speaker 1: Don't do that.
- 17:28Speaker 1: Yeah, like fried fried foods and I the main problem I think you just fried foods is just, it's a lot of calories.
- 17:36Speaker 1: My god, like what is my favorite thing.
- 17:38Speaker 1: I've said it so many times, but three ounces of potato, 65 calories.
- 17:42Speaker 1: Three ounces of potato chips, it's like 500 calories Somewhere around there, like it's it's so much more.
- 17:50Speaker 1: I forget the exact number, but it's so much more.
- 17:52Speaker 1: So it's just about it adds a ton of extra calories.
- 17:54Speaker 1: And that's why the demonization of oils is started, which I totally get, because we consume too many oils, because they're very packed with Calories, calorie dense.
- 18:02Speaker 1: But yes, fried foods here and there, totally fine.
- 18:05Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give up occasional French fries and whatever all that other stuff techno.
- 18:11Speaker 2: And you can also be smarter in eating your fried food as well.
- 18:15Speaker 2: But my favorite thing I tell people is just ask for more veggies on your burger.
- 18:21Speaker 2: Yeah, it will fill you up and it will be more nutritious, and Most places don't charge you for the extra veggies.
- 18:30Speaker 1: Adding, not subtracting.
- 18:31Speaker 1: Just add more the other stuff you know and if it, it'll help you in the long run.
- 18:35Speaker 1: Feel full, don't worry about it.
- 18:37Speaker 1: Have, enjoy your fried foods and moderation, totally fine.
- 18:40Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at a burger, it's meat, it's veggies.
- 18:44Speaker 2: As long you're putting your veggies on there, it's bread.
- 18:46Speaker 2: That's.
- 18:47Speaker 2: That's a normal meal.
- 18:48Speaker 2: Do you have a problem?
- 18:49Speaker 2: Like Liam said is just that we're cooking it in a high amount of oil, which is making it very calorically dense.
- 18:55Speaker 1: And then you got your french fries that you dip in the milkshake and listen, don't me wrong, that's just like that's the bomb, like it's so good.
- 19:00Speaker 1: There's a place around here that has like a brownie all-am-o'd milkshake where they put like real brownie in there.
- 19:05Speaker 1: I mean the whole thing has like 8,000 calories.
- 19:08Speaker 1: I mean I down it like no problem.
- 19:09Speaker 1: So that's just you know.
- 19:11Speaker 1: And then I fries with it.
- 19:13Speaker 1: That's the real problem.
- 19:14Speaker 1: Just you know, every, every once in a while.
- 19:16Speaker 2: Totally fine, okay, so what is the most extreme case of food fear mongering?
- 19:22Speaker 1: you've seen the most extreme case of food fear mongering.
- 19:26Speaker 1: I probably say our recent the this, this recent carnivore, push a fight, this fight against vegetables.
- 19:36Speaker 1: I have to say, like it's like, it's just it boggles my mind.
- 19:41Speaker 1: You know, we've always known that vegetable.
- 19:43Speaker 1: Like you ask literally anyone like what are the healthy foods, vegetables will probably be like the first thing they say.
- 19:48Speaker 1: And so for them to come and say actually no, that's like saying air is bad, I don't like, I just it's it bad.
- 19:56Speaker 1: It boggles my mind.
- 19:57Speaker 2: Yeah, and Going off that.
- 20:00Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the most extreme case of food fear mongering, but it's one of the cases that stands out in my memory the most was Paul Saladino going to the Children's Hospital, like that was completely unnecessary.
- 20:13Speaker 2: And not only that.
- 20:16Speaker 2: You know, there's that moment where he says that the hospital doesn't have any Fruits or anything like that, and they're literally on the shelf behind him.
- 20:25Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was that was definitely.
- 20:27Speaker 1: That was something.
- 20:29Speaker 1: I mean, it's like that one and Bobby's video, an infant formula, that those are the two kind of videos that stick out.
- 20:36Speaker 2: I'm Bobby, told that woman to not take a gestational diabetes test.
- 20:40Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, you had to drink a sugary drink for it.
- 20:43Speaker 2: Yeah, like that is extreme right there.
- 20:46Speaker 2: Whoo like those are those are the moments where these people could actually be killing somebody.
- 20:52Speaker 1: Yeah, eating disorders.
- 20:53Speaker 1: People kind of glaze over that they are very serious.
- 20:57Speaker 1: I mean we definitely know, because we get comments all the time like saying this is how it started by listening to this person, watching this person, fear monger, this thing that I loved and I gave up because of them.
- 21:07Speaker 1: I mean it can really do some damage absolutely.
- 21:12Speaker 2: And, speaking of that, we we want to host a live call-in show for our patreon, going back to the patreon here Sometime in the near future, and we would love for you guys to call in and tell us your stories.
- 21:26Speaker 1: Yeah, we love hearing from you guys, you know, and I think we can all learn from it, because a lot of times we have similar experiences.
- 21:31Speaker 1: So, you know, somebody says something, somebody else might connect with that and yeah, yeah, absolutely can help okay.
- 21:37Speaker 2: So going on to the next question here, do you do digestive enzymes work, or is it placebo?
- 21:44Speaker 1: The digestive enzymes ones.
- 21:45Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting one.
- 21:46Speaker 1: I'd like to do more research into that myself, because I don't feel like I know enough on the on the research, to really speak about it.
- 21:56Speaker 1: What have you seen?
- 21:58Speaker 2: Rob.
- 21:58Speaker 2: Well, for the most part, most of us already make the digestive enzymes break things down.
- 22:05Speaker 2: That's why we can absorb them.
- 22:06Speaker 2: There are populations that have trouble making the appropriate amount of the any given digestive enzyme.
- 22:14Speaker 2: People with like life-paced disorders who have trouble Right Digesting fats and stuff and I'm just like.
- 22:22Speaker 2: The biggest one is like really benefit from these digestive enzymes.
- 22:25Speaker 2: They do work.
- 22:26Speaker 2: It's a case of is your body already making that enzyme?
- 22:30Speaker 2: Thus you don't need it.
- 22:33Speaker 1: Yeah, cuz, like you know, obviously people are lactose intolerant.
- 22:36Speaker 1: You gonna lactase, you know.
- 22:37Speaker 1: Obviously that can help.
- 22:38Speaker 1: So, like you know, of course, in that situation, but in general I, you know, I don't think most people would probably benefit from a digestive enzyme, but I'm sure there are cases where people you know could, could, benefit from it.
- 22:50Speaker 1: So yeah, that's such an individual question.
- 22:53Speaker 1: That is just kind of tough, and I would just talk with your doctor about that.
- 22:57Speaker 1: That's pretty much what I would say about that one.
- 22:59Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be your doctor that will Diagnose that you are lacking in the enzyme and prescribe it for you, so that, if you're just taking random ones, yeah don't take random ones that are prescribed to you by some tick-tocker.
- 23:14Speaker 2: Yeah, go to your doctor see if you actually are missing the digestive enzyme and Then have the doctor actually, you know prescribe it for you Because you are missing that enzyme or you're lacking In your ability, right Is?
- 23:29Speaker 1: it dangerous to take them?
- 23:31Speaker 1: Probably not, but you know.
- 23:33Speaker 1: Then you get into the whole like supplement industry isn't very well regulated so you never really fully know, like, what's in there.
- 23:39Speaker 1: So you're kind of taking that risk for no reason and you're paying money and yeah it's.
- 23:44Speaker 2: That's just a tough one.
- 23:45Speaker 2: So the next question is kind of interesting here how should tick-tock combat health misinformation that is leading to dangerous consumer decisions?
- 23:56Speaker 1: Yeah, that's boy.
- 23:57Speaker 1: That's a fucking question and a half, isn't it right?
- 24:00Speaker 1: Because it's so, because you really get into this, you know free speech right, like that's where it's always gonna end and it's just like where does that end.
- 24:08Speaker 1: So they've so tick-tock has now started putting, you know, little disclaimers, like participating in this could cause Harm or injury to the person.
- 24:17Speaker 1: You know that sort of stuff, which I think that's a good step.
- 24:20Speaker 1: I think that's a step in the right direction is at least just warning people.
- 24:24Speaker 1: Can you really?
- 24:25Speaker 1: Just Because I know YouTube recently came out and said they're gonna start cracking down more on misinformation, but then you get into the whole like the algorithm is going to monitor it, so you know how accurate is it gonna be.
- 24:40Speaker 1: People's content is just gonna be removed, and so, as it's really tough, I mean what do you think?
- 24:46Speaker 1: I mean passes over you.
- 24:48Speaker 2: The like.
- 24:49Speaker 2: The biggest problem is that we're relying on Tick-tock or youtuber all of them to try and figure out which information is the right information.
- 24:59Speaker 2: Yeah, which is a lot harder when it comes to things like nutrition as opposed to when they're talking about Vaccination and all that kind of stuff.
- 25:11Speaker 1: Right.
- 25:11Speaker 1: So yeah, especially when it comes to food, I mean, it makes it even more difficult.
- 25:16Speaker 1: So I mean, I guess, as of right now, I think, just like adding warnings at least is something, because at least they get to keep their content, but there's also something warning people.
- 25:25Speaker 1: Hey, eating raw meat may not be an awesome idea for people, you know, just something like that, I don't know.
- 25:36Speaker 2: Yeah, not to mention raw milk.
- 25:38Speaker 1: You know like eating raw testicles could harm you.
- 25:40Speaker 1: Just letting you know.
- 25:43Speaker 2: But I think the biggest thing isn't going to come from TikTok itself, it comes from you guys.
- 25:49Speaker 2: And good, just sharing the good content.
- 25:54Speaker 1: But it's it.
- 25:55Speaker 1: But it's so tough because, like the misinformation, which one do you make more money off of?
- 26:00Speaker 1: Which one's more profitable to?
- 26:03Speaker 1: To give the information that everyone, almost everyone, knows is accurate and trying to, you know, call out the false claims or making those false claims, because I have a feeling the latter is a lot more profitable.
- 26:15Speaker 1: So just relying on that also is it's difficult.
- 26:20Speaker 1: It's it's.
- 26:20Speaker 1: It's a tough one because I truly think, like, freedom of speech is important and you should be able to say what you feel, but at a certain point it becomes dangerous and finding that line is so tough.
- 26:32Speaker 2: Yeah, it's.
- 26:32Speaker 2: Have you heard of Brandolini's law?
- 26:34Speaker 2: Brandolini's law the amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than needed to produce it.
- 26:46Speaker 1: Right, and so you're asking people to to do a lot of work to correct this information, not make really nearly as much money in the process.
- 26:56Speaker 1: So, boy, I mean it's.
- 26:59Speaker 1: It's a tough road, it really is it really is?
- 27:03Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know we had a couple of guests that actually were interested in talking more on that subject.
- 27:10Speaker 2: Ashley was talking about us, about it last night, about Right, so we'll hopefully have a more episode, a little bit more in depth in the future, talking about.
- 27:20Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll bring it up many times in the future.
- 27:23Speaker 2: So let's move on to the next question here what is the hardest thing for weight loss?
- 27:29Speaker 1: The hardest thing for weight loss, so obviously we should get out of the way that, like it's going to depend on the person right, like everybody is going to be different, of course, but if we're like talking about the main things, I think, oh boy, what's the whole of the hardest things for?
- 27:45Speaker 2: weight loss.
- 27:46Speaker 2: Well, I'll let you think, because I already have my answer and that's patience, the patience is always the hardest thing I see people struggle with.
- 27:55Speaker 2: They want that result fast, they want that loose 30 pounds in 30 days, all of that kind of stuff and it's like it took you a long time to put that fat on.
- 28:08Speaker 2: It's going to take a long time to take it off.
- 28:10Speaker 2: You have to be patient, you have to be consistent and you just have to keep going with what you're doing and make sure it's working.
- 28:19Speaker 1: I think I would probably say because, from what I've just talking with people and hearing comments from people, is having I'm going to put scare quotes, scare quotes a bad day or a bad meal.
- 28:32Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good one, that's a good one, and then just going fuck it Okay.
- 28:35Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's done.
- 28:36Speaker 1: I've hooked up on this one meal where I over eight 400 calories time to eat 10,000.
- 28:41Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's where a lot of people just they just give up at that point and it's like it's totally fine.
- 28:48Speaker 1: It's totally like what is one meal that's like?
- 28:51Speaker 1: That's like 0.001% of the meals you'll eat in your entire life.
- 28:54Speaker 1: Don't stop.
- 28:56Speaker 1: Stop it's relax, it's okay.
- 28:58Speaker 2: Yeah, it's okay.
- 28:59Speaker 2: Yeah, one meal does not make a diet of failure.
- 29:01Speaker 2: Why are all these content creators hating on poor people?
- 29:09Speaker 1: Well.
- 29:09Speaker 2: I think, it's true.
- 29:10Speaker 1: I think it's pretty obvious answer to that one is who are you going to make money off of?
- 29:15Speaker 1: Are you going to make money off of quote poor people?
- 29:18Speaker 1: They're probably not the ones that are going to be buying whatever supplement.
- 29:23Speaker 1: You have right.
- 29:23Speaker 1: So if you just you know, if you put them down and you gravitate towards the people who have money and then tell them hey, I also have these things I sell, they're more likely to be able to buy them.
- 29:37Speaker 1: Like you know, if you call out, like the rich people and say, hey to all my poor people, if you want to buy my stuff, they're like well, I'm kind of poor, so I can't really buy your stuff.
- 29:47Speaker 1: Sorry, you know.
- 29:48Speaker 1: So it really.
- 29:49Speaker 1: It just comes down to money.
- 29:50Speaker 2: If you're going to isolate one population, isolate the population that can't purchase your product.
- 29:56Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 29:57Speaker 2: Yeah, and then, and in addition to that, they're making so much money that they don't even know what it is to be poor anymore.
- 30:06Speaker 1: I think a lot of them really just don't even understand.
- 30:08Speaker 1: They're like what are you talking about?
- 30:09Speaker 1: I'm just saying don't buy this Costco chicken because it's got these things.
- 30:12Speaker 1: They're like no, no, no, no, you're not, you're not understanding.
- 30:15Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of people.
- 30:16Speaker 1: We're struggling here, Okay, we're struggling, so we're just trying to get by with what we have, and they can't even comprehend that because they're so far.
- 30:25Speaker 2: Like Bobby did that tour of his house once and he was just like recommending this and that it like I have these air purifiers in every room and I have these $4,000 mattresses and the mattresses, the non-toxic mattresses are so good.
- 30:41Speaker 2: And he has, you know, water purification systems built into every tap and he's recommending it to people as if people can go out and afford these things.
- 30:52Speaker 1: But I've got 10% off.
- 30:54Speaker 1: You got 10% off If you use code Bobby approved.
- 30:57Speaker 1: But you need a purifier for your purifier because the purifier can become unpurified.
- 31:02Speaker 1: So if you get a purifier purifier it can purify the purifier.
- 31:05Speaker 1: So ridiculous Like what the fuck are you talking about?
- 31:10Speaker 1: People barely have enough to get by.
- 31:12Speaker 1: I just yeah, if you purify the water enough?
- 31:15Speaker 2: will it become a black hole?
- 31:18Speaker 1: It's just a Bobby approved black hole.
- 31:22Speaker 1: A Bobby approved black hole, oh God, I just.
- 31:27Speaker 1: It's just.
- 31:28Speaker 1: You have to laugh at it, because if you don't laugh you'll cry.
- 31:31Speaker 2: Pretty much.
- 31:31Speaker 2: Next question is where is a good place to get research?
- 31:35Speaker 2: Not from blogs.
- 31:38Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be very, because while it can be good information, a lot of the times it can be it can be rough.
- 31:46Speaker 1: You know, for me, like when I'm looking at, like the well established places like Harvard Mayo Clinic, these places that have been around for a long time, that cite all their sources, that have a lot of experts on hand, you know, stay away from anything that says holistic.
- 32:01Speaker 2: That's pretty much what I would say.
- 32:03Speaker 1: Anything that starts off with holistic honey or anything like that.
- 32:07Speaker 1: Just, you just keep, just scroll, just scroll past that.
- 32:11Speaker 2: One of the big things for me is learning how to use search modifiers, because when you run a Google search or whatever, the results are going to be the most popular results, the one that the algorithm thinks you want to see, and you have to use search modifiers to dig past that.
- 32:31Speaker 2: And then the other thing is that you know a lot of people link PubMed, or well, mostly PubMed.
- 32:41Speaker 2: Pubmed is just like a listing site for all the studies.
- 32:45Speaker 2: It's not the actual place that did the study.
- 32:48Speaker 2: There's all these journals and stuff that they get published in, and a lot of times when you go to PubMed you do not have access to the full study, which is a problem.
- 32:57Speaker 2: People read the abstract, and the abstracts do not tell you the whole story, so you have to read the whole study.
- 33:06Speaker 2: And there's one way to get the whole study, of course, is to subscribe to the journal, which is expensive.
- 33:12Speaker 2: Another way to get the whole study right to the authors they will often just give you the study if you ask for it, because they don't make money off the journals.
- 33:21Speaker 2: And the third way is well, no, actually let me hold on.
- 33:26Speaker 2: I need to phrase this appropriately, but what I'm definitely not going to tell you to do is use the website called Sci Hub.
- 33:33Speaker 2: That would be illegal to use.
- 33:35Speaker 2: Do not use that website to go read through research.
- 33:41Speaker 1: I mean, I would also say like, be careful with single studies, just in general, because, like anybody who is kind of in that field will tell you, one study doesn't tell you a whole lot.
- 33:51Speaker 1: Once you start getting to meta-analyses of many studies, then you really get a more clear picture.
- 33:57Speaker 1: But if you're not even just reading studies again, I would just say like, be careful of the one person that like, oh, I sell.
- 34:05Speaker 1: Oh god, I've seen all sorts of crazy things.
- 34:09Speaker 1: I was looking through for this kind of topic one day and there's stuff that like, look out for spandex because it causes all these problems.
- 34:17Speaker 1: Also, I sell leather pants and shit.
- 34:20Speaker 1: Like it was just like it was crazy.
- 34:23Speaker 1: Oh, there was like one site that was like called Waterway or something like that, and they were like, be careful of diet soda, because it doesn't hydrate you, because it's got twice as much caffeine as coffee.
- 34:33Speaker 1: And I was like, what are you talking about?
- 34:36Speaker 1: None of that is accurate.
- 34:37Speaker 1: Like I don't understand.
- 34:38Speaker 1: Oh, and we also sell all this special water, you know.
- 34:41Speaker 1: So just be careful.
- 34:42Speaker 1: The ones that sell the alternative to what they're talking about, holy shit, just don't even listen to those at all.
- 34:50Speaker 2: That brings us into the final question, perfectly.
- 34:54Speaker 2: Why do people create fear around food To sell stuff?
- 35:01Speaker 1: I mean fear sells.
- 35:03Speaker 1: So well, I mean it really does.
- 35:06Speaker 2: It really does create a problem, sell the solution.
- 35:09Speaker 1: You know this isn't just food, like anything, all of it sells, like you.
- 35:14Speaker 1: Just you have to just work off people's strong emotions, and fear is one of these strongest emotions.
- 35:19Speaker 1: I don't like military will do that with you know, like it's scary you about something overseas or this or that and also join this.
- 35:28Speaker 1: Or like it's not just food.
- 35:30Speaker 1: It's everything you know to try to tell people to be scared.
- 35:34Speaker 1: It's like you know it sucks.
- 35:39Speaker 2: It does.
- 35:39Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a good way to weed out the people that don't care about you versus people that are actually interested in your health is, if they're trying to make you scared of something that person isn't actually interested in your health Like, even if there's a negative result to something, somebody who's interested in your health is going to present that to you in a clear way.
- 36:05Speaker 2: That isn't going to make you run around scared.
- 36:10Speaker 2: They're going to present to you multiple alternatives, not just this product that they're selling.
- 36:16Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just like caught up with it because you just, you see it so much, especially us, like you know, we get tagged and stuff like on social media all the time and it always just starts off with the government.
- 36:25Speaker 1: They don't want you to know this who's.
- 36:27Speaker 1: They doesn't fucking matter who cares who they are.
- 36:30Speaker 1: You know they don't want you to know.
- 36:32Speaker 1: This thing I have is the cure to all your ailments.
- 36:36Speaker 1: So 2499, check Lincoln bio and you know it just, it will never go away.
- 36:44Speaker 1: It will never, ever, ever go away.
- 36:46Speaker 1: It will always remain.
- 36:48Speaker 1: And people you know I get tagged there like please, you know, clear this up, call this out and, like you know I can, I can do my little part, but like it doesn't matter, like at the end of the day, people are always going to do it, people have always done it.
- 36:59Speaker 1: It's not new, it's not, it's always gone on and it will continue to go on forever.
- 37:05Speaker 1: So you know, just try and find people who aren't making you scared about things, who give you both sides and tell you, like you know, just, it's so I'm just caught up with it again because it's just so much.
- 37:18Speaker 1: You see it so often.
- 37:19Speaker 1: You just like what the well?
- 37:20Speaker 1: How are people still believing this?
- 37:22Speaker 1: But you know, I get it because it it fucking.
- 37:24Speaker 1: They do it because it works, they do it because it works.
- 37:26Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I feel like we always end to episodes with this.
- 37:29Speaker 1: It's always, at the end of the day, Like okay, so here's all this, like you know, grounded information.
- 37:35Speaker 1: But you know, we'll look out for those people trying to tell you fucking.
- 37:40Speaker 2: Oh, I just I think everybody listening.
- 37:45Speaker 2: If you want to submit questions or again join in a call and show in the future to tell us your stories and stuff, head over to the Patreon and submit some questions that make us end on a happier funny note.
- 38:01Speaker 1: It's.
- 38:02Speaker 1: It's give us some fun questions, ask us what our favorite food is, or something like that.
- 38:07Speaker 1: I don't know French fries, by the way.
- 38:09Speaker 1: Going back to the fried foods, I don't give a shit.
- 38:11Speaker 1: They're so good, they're the best.
- 38:14Speaker 2: We're answering your favorite food.
- 38:16Speaker 2: We're answering.
- 38:17Speaker 1: Give us some fun questions.
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- 38:31Speaker 1: I want all the other countries.
- 38:33Speaker 1: I want to be number one in every country, but the United States.
- 38:36Speaker 2: Yep, let's do it.
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- 38:42Speaker 1: Number one in Czechoslovakia, Number one in Nepal, Number one in I don't know it's countries.
- 38:49Speaker 1: I've never even heard of the Falkland Islands.
- 38:56Speaker 2: We are taking a look at it.
- 38:57Speaker 2: We are number one also in the Dominican Republic and we're number two in Uruguay in your yeah, exactly, let's get us good.
- 39:05Speaker 1: Let's get us to number one in Uruguay.
- 39:07Speaker 1: That is our next goal, all our Uruguayan listeners.
- 39:11Speaker 1: Can you please tell your friends to get us out there?
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- 39:23Speaker 2: We're Number One in Uruguay.
- 39:25Speaker 1: We'll take questions only from people from Uruguay.
- 39:30Speaker 2: Oh God, Everybody's going to start using a VPN to.
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- 39:38Speaker 1: Well, that wraps up the 10,000 download special.
- 39:43Speaker 1: But, guys, for the 20,000 download special, we will also be taking questions, but nothing to do with health or fitness.
- 39:50Speaker 1: Okay, so I want to know what's up with T-Swift and whatever boyfriend she's with at the time?
- 39:56Speaker 1: You know I want questions on again the red pandas things.
- 40:02Speaker 1: You know the mating rituals with them.
- 40:03Speaker 2: That's great.
- 40:04Speaker 2: We got to go into depth on that 17th century French architecture, all those things.
- 40:08Speaker 1: So nothing to do with health or fitness.
- 40:10Speaker 2: It can be literally anything else besides those things Get to know us or just test our knowledge in random.
- 40:19Speaker 2: Exactly, I want a Jeopardy special I want a whole special just Alex Trebek style Okay.
- 40:27Speaker 2: Okay, I am going to bring in a guest host to act as Alex Trebek.
- 40:34Speaker 2: Yes, let's go, let's go.
- 40:36Speaker 1: Get guys, get us a 20,000 fucking download fast We'll do it Because I want some random ask questions.
- 40:43Speaker 1: Doesn't matter what, it is Okay.
- 40:47Speaker 2: And I'll make sure that neither of us are prepared for the questions I will just hand all over to our guest and we'll just be surprised on the spot It'll be about astronomy.
- 41:01Speaker 1: It'll be about anything and we will just answer it the way the grocery store walkers answer everything with such confidence like we know.
- 41:09Speaker 1: But we'll have no fucking clue whatsoever.
- 41:13Speaker 2: Oh, this is going to happen and when you'll know.
- 41:15Speaker 2: When it happens, I will post a link for people to submit their questions on the Patreon so that I can directly link that to our guest host.
- 41:25Speaker 2: So everybody get us there.
- 41:28Speaker 2: We will do this.
- 41:31Speaker 1: What was Mario's original name?
- 41:33Speaker 1: Oh shit, I know this one Jump man Boom.
- 41:36Speaker 1: Look at me dropping some knowledge Nice.
- 41:38Speaker 2: Nice, just don't ask Liam any tech questions.
- 41:41Speaker 2: I know ask me them, I will answer them.
- 41:44Speaker 1: It won't be right.
- 41:45Speaker 1: But I'm going to say wish fucking confidence, man.
- 41:47Speaker 1: I'm going to be like, yes, absolutely oh this is going to be great.