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Credlin | 11 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peto Quedlin Live from year twenty four.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 3: Here's what's coming up tonight on Predline, Question Time back Today,
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Speaker 3: Labour's migration reset in the housing crisis, topping the agenda,
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Speaker 3: all the analysis with Tuesday Night regular our political editor
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Speaker 3: Andrew Clennell coming up their legal migrant crisis.
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Speaker 2: In Britain deepens.
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Speaker 3: Mega Dinghy's now been used to facilitate hundreds of people
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Speaker 3: at once to cross the English Channel. Sophie Ellsworth will
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Speaker 3: join me plus befoll that continues over Anthony Albanesi's smutty
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Speaker 3: comments about the Japanese Prime Minister, the ambassador doubling down
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Speaker 3: a bit, calls for a personal apology. Our Prime minister
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Speaker 3: still refusing and rates on hold today, but no end
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Speaker 3: to the uncertainty for Australians who just want a break
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Speaker 3: from cost of living pressures.
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Speaker 4: We've already raised three times and we will go again
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Speaker 4: if we need to.
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Speaker 3: The first Census Night is tonight and everyone's been encouraged
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Speaker 3: by the government to fillate your form so that the
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Speaker 3: data you provide can.
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Speaker 2: Be used to deliver the services that you want.
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Speaker 3: Now and into the future. In the right locations around
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Speaker 3: our country. At least that's the official line. But if
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Speaker 3: you don't think the activists use the census as a weapon,
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Speaker 3: then you are kidding yourself. And if you think that
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Speaker 3: the independence of this tray and Bureau of Statistics means
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Speaker 3: that the government has no hand in how tonight's census
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Speaker 3: document is shaped, and think again there too. The Albanezy
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Speaker 3: government has its fingerprints all over this census.
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Speaker 2: While the ABS.
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Speaker 3: Will tell you that they draft the questions and they do,
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Speaker 3: the government is absolutely involved in the topics this year.
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Speaker 3: As an example, that was the Albanezer government that asked
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Speaker 3: for a question to be included about gender and sexual orientation. Yes,
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Speaker 3: Labor put that in. Here is Jenny Telfer, the ABS
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Speaker 3: General Manager in charge of the census, could bumi exactly
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Speaker 3: this today in an interview with my colleague Kieren Gilbert.
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Speaker 5: Politicians shape this? Have there been any has there been
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Speaker 5: any political input to some of these questions, like around
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Speaker 5: sexuality and so on.
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Speaker 6: So the way the content and the questions work in
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Speaker 6: the Australian Census, it is the Australian government who decided.
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Speaker 7: The topics that we include in.
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Speaker 6: The census, so they make that decision, and then they
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Speaker 6: request the ABS to design a set of questions, a
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Speaker 6: set of response options that statistically will give us the
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Speaker 6: best data.
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Speaker 3: So, while I tried hard, Jenny telferd there refused to
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Speaker 3: disclose which minister or ministers perhaps prime ministers told them
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Speaker 3: to include those questions on gender.
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Speaker 5: When you say the government suggested this change or this
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Speaker 5: addition on sexuality, which minister does that Who in the
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Speaker 5: government makes that recommendation or that direction to the ABS?
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Speaker 6: Well, the ABS actually makes a recommendation based on everything
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Speaker 6: we hear through that consultation process. We make a recommendation
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Speaker 6: to government on the topics we think are important to
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Speaker 6: include in the census, and then the government ultimately makes
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Speaker 6: that decisions.
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Speaker 5: But the direction itself that just comes from government, not
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Speaker 5: from is it the minister's office. I'm just trying to
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Speaker 5: work out where it is.
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Speaker 6: Australian government decision to include particular topics and to retain
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Speaker 6: particular topics on the census for.
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Speaker 2: They're try didn't it.
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Speaker 3: Let's look again at the very issue of religion. Now,
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Speaker 3: as I've shown you over recent weeks, this is an
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Speaker 3: important topic and one where the activists have really been
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Speaker 3: busy in recent years to this point, here's the former
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Speaker 3: founder of the Sex Party if campaigning hard for the
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Speaker 3: no religion vote tonight.
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Speaker 8: You know, when I was younger, I went to Sunday School,
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Speaker 8: I was christened, I was confirmed. I even growing up
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Speaker 8: dreamt I was going to become a nun. But I'm
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Speaker 8: not religious now. And so when you're asked on the
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Speaker 8: census this week, what is your religion If you're not religious, now,
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Speaker 8: mark no religion.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 3: As I said before, the order of the questions on
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Speaker 3: the paper tonight matter as well. And the fact that
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Speaker 3: the no religion box is the first box you can
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Speaker 3: select when you get to the question, well that advantages
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Speaker 3: those running that argument. You saw it there from Fiona
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Speaker 3: Pattern that increasingly Australia is a secular nation because the
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Speaker 3: first spot on any ballot benefits the donkey vote. That's
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Speaker 3: why in an election campaign, when names are drawn out
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Speaker 3: of the ha for a spot on the ballot paper,
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Speaker 3: every candidate wants to be the first name at the top.
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Speaker 3: And so when you have a question about religion and
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Speaker 3: that top spot goes to the no religion camp or
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Speaker 3: they benefit absolutely. As I discussed last night with polling
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Speaker 3: expert doctor Dorian von Freehold.
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Speaker 10: The current census framing is somewhat peculiar in that it's
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Speaker 10: a checkbox question where the first option is no religion. Now,
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Speaker 10: being a guy with a PhD in consumer psychology having
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Speaker 10: lectured many a course on research methodologies, that's a rookie era.
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Speaker 10: You fall straight into what's called the primacy effect, which
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Speaker 10: means that the first option visible to respondence gets a
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Speaker 10: disproportionate amount of eyeballs and is more likely to be selected.
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Speaker 3: Now, when pushed, the ABS say that no religion up
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Speaker 3: the top because it was the box that achieved the
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Speaker 3: greatest vote at the last census. But how disingenuous is
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Speaker 3: that at the last census in twenty twenty one, if
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Speaker 3: you want to measure just one religion against no religion,
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Speaker 3: in fact, it was Christianity that received the greatest vote.
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Speaker 3: Christianity reported the ABS was the most common religion in
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Speaker 3: Australia with forty three point nine percent of people identifying
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Speaker 3: as Christian Now contrasts that with no religion that recorded thirty.
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Speaker 2: Eight point nine percent.
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Speaker 3: So if the order is determined by the largest number
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Speaker 3: of responses, so why isn't Christianity at the top of
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Speaker 3: tonight's census form well because of the way the question
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Speaker 3: is framed.
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Speaker 2: That's why.
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Speaker 3: Because rather than give Australians a Christian box to tick,
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Speaker 3: the ABS breaks down the Christian faith church by church,
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Speaker 3: and so that means the Christian vote on the form
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Speaker 3: tonight gets split. And because it is split rather than
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Speaker 3: contained in a single box, the no religious crowd or
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Speaker 3: they stay at the top.
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Speaker 2: See why the frame of a question matters as much
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Speaker 2: as it does. It's just like political polling.
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Speaker 3: The question you ask can be as important as the
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Speaker 3: answer you get. Now also understand this too. Of all
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Speaker 3: the religions listed on the sensus form, it is only
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Speaker 3: only the Christian faith that is broken down by denomination,
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Speaker 3: so broken down church by church. No other religion gets
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Speaker 3: this treatment. The ABS, as an example, does not split
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Speaker 3: Islam into its distinct branches of Sunni Islam or Shia Islam.
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Speaker 3: Nor does the census split Hindu into its various denominations. Heck,
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Speaker 3: for that matter, the ABS doesn't even split out the
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Speaker 3: no religion box either.
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Speaker 2: Does it.
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Speaker 3: If it was consistent, the AVS would have a box
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Speaker 3: for the atheists, perhaps one for the agnostics as well.
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Speaker 3: See what I mean? What also concerns me with this
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Speaker 3: question on religion. Is the message we send as a
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Speaker 3: country by leaving Judaism off the list of specified religions
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Speaker 3: and requiring Jewish Australians to record themselves under other at
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Speaker 3: a time in our nation's history where anti Semitism's never
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Speaker 3: been worse, I would have thought that including Judaism on
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Speaker 3: the form would be a powerful message that Jews matter
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Speaker 3: and yes, you can give me all the reasons why
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Speaker 3: statistically other religions are prioritized in terms of population. But
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Speaker 3: given the ABS confirming today that the Albanezer government was
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Speaker 3: involved in the development of the census, then for the
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Speaker 3: government not to take this opportunity to send a signal
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Speaker 3: to Australian Jews is disappointing. Now, why this matters as
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Speaker 3: much as it does beyond the recording of faith or
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Speaker 3: otherwise of Australians, is that census data is used across government, local,
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Speaker 3: state and federal and what you measure matters. This data
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Speaker 3: on religion will be used to plan for religious schools, hospices,
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Speaker 3: perhaps hospitals of religious faith. It's used to accommodate ceremonies,
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Speaker 3: cemeteries and other burial spaces.
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Speaker 2: Trust me too.
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Speaker 3: It will be used by some to argue for the
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Speaker 3: removal of the morning prayer from our parliaments as it
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Speaker 3: has been in the past. Even things like laws in
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Speaker 3: relation to legalized prostitution and planning rules around brothels, all
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Speaker 3: things that have been liberalized in recent years use census
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Speaker 3: information on religion and faith as part of the political debate. Now,
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Speaker 3: I'm not passing judgment on any of these things. My
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Speaker 3: point is that when activist campaign for census language changes
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Speaker 3: and questions to be included or removed, they don't do
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Speaker 3: it out of the goodness of their statistical hearts, but
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Speaker 3: do it because they have an agenda to change our country,
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Speaker 3: and a big part in changing our country is the
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Speaker 3: denial of our Judeo Christian foundations. There you go, be
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Speaker 3: careful what box you tick tonight. Let's get the headlines
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Speaker 3: out of canber now with our reporter Ribbon Spargo.
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Speaker 11: Good evening. The opposition leader is facing a divided party
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Speaker 11: room over gambling reforms. Five opposition backbenches used a coalition
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Speaker 11: meeting today to push for tougher reforms. Four others warned
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Speaker 11: against going too far.
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Speaker 2: I want to make sure that we get the balance right.
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Speaker 2: We think that we're nearly there. The conversations will keep going.
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Speaker 11: Angus Taylor is negotiating directly with the minister as the
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Speaker 11: coalition tries to settle on a position. A podcast in
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Speaker 11: which Anthony Albernzi spoke about receiving a gift of melons
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Speaker 11: from the Japanese Prime minister is dogging the government. A
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Speaker 11: note from the Japanese government to dressing the gaff was
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Speaker 11: leaked to The Australian.
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Speaker 4: Will the Prime Minister apologize to the Prime Minister of
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Speaker 4: Japan for his disrespectful behavior.
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Speaker 12: I have a very good relationship with the Prime Minister
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Speaker 12: of Japan.
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Speaker 11: The Opposition leader also sought to pressure the Prime Minister
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Speaker 11: over housing.
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Speaker 13: Will the Prime Minister finally admit Labour's broken promises on
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Speaker 13: capital gains tax and negative gearing have made millions of
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Speaker 13: Australian homeowners worse off.
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Speaker 11: I want people to have the opportunity to be the
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Speaker 11: first in their family to own their own homes. That
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Speaker 11: is something which is part of the great Australian dream.
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Speaker 11: Ministers are refusing to concede. The government's changes to negative
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Speaker 11: gearing and capital gains tax have led to the subsequent
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Speaker 11: fall in House prices.
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Speaker 3: For as I said Parliament. Of course that returning today
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Speaker 3: first question time after a very long winter break and
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Speaker 3: who better than the next scares Andrew klanaul our political
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Speaker 3: letter to at News twenty four to pull it all
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Speaker 3: apart Andrew Opposition today they went the Prime Minister about
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Speaker 3: his comments on that podcast. Will get to those in
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Speaker 3: a moment. But the feach today from the Coalition in
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Speaker 3: question time really was housing.
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Speaker 13: Labour's toxic taxes have tanked the housing market. Labour's broken
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Speaker 13: promises on capital gains tax and negative gearing have made
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Speaker 13: millions of Australian homeowners worse off. Can the Prime Minister
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Speaker 13: confirm the average new mortgage holder is paying twenty nine
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Speaker 13: thousand dollars a year more in interest alone.
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Speaker 14: Rents have reportedly increased by ten percent since the budget
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Speaker 14: just three months ago.
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Speaker 3: Well, the Democrat James Carvell famously said it's your me,
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Speaker 3: stupid and it was a lot of the economy today.
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Speaker 2: What did you make of it, Andrew, Well.
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Speaker 15: I think that's fertile ground here for your position, and
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Speaker 15: I think the government's under pressure and you can see
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Speaker 15: it in the way the ministers skate around the fact
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Speaker 15: House prices have dropped because partly because of their policies,
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Speaker 15: they won't say that, and that's been pretty ridiculous in
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Speaker 15: interviews we've done the last couple of days.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's biting out there.
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Speaker 15: Whether or last, we'll see, but right now it's not
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Speaker 15: a great position for the government. They're being seen to
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Speaker 15: fumble a few things, that's for sure.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also I guess politicians have got big super
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Speaker 3: accounts and perhaps wealth in other places and shares elsewhere.
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Speaker 3: Ordinary Australians basically have everything they've got locked up in
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Speaker 3: their home. That's the biggest as it certainly is for me.
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Speaker 3: I suspect it is for you too, So I think
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Speaker 3: out there in the suburbs, this stuff bites.
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Speaker 15: All everyone says, you know, just a terrible time to sell.
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Speaker 15: That's what you hear from people who various circumstances have
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Speaker 15: to sell. They're really stuck in a bad scenario by
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Speaker 15: these policies, that's the bottom line.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it doesn't.
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Speaker 15: Affect enough people to swing meaningful votes unless it persists.
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Speaker 15: But it is annoying people and they don't like to
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Speaker 15: see their paper wealth go down, and they wonder where,
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Speaker 15: you know, where it all goes from here and they're
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Speaker 15: not convinced that the government's helping enough. And cost of living anyway,
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Speaker 15: because inflation is still shooting up, so it's kind of
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Speaker 15: has a bit of midterm slump about it. Of course,
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Speaker 15: we know last term they had a midterm slump and
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Speaker 15: they came back in once.
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Speaker 1: So if I was.
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Speaker 15: Opponents of the prime minister, I wouldn't be getting too excited. Well,
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Speaker 15: particularly Liberal party down in eighteen percent with the Nats.
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Speaker 15: But One Nation's probably the only people who should be
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Speaker 15: a bit excited, but they should temper that excitement at
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Speaker 15: the moment.
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Speaker 3: I guess last time, though on the center right column,
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Speaker 3: there was no one else but the coalition.
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Speaker 2: Now there's obviously.
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Speaker 3: Another aspirin and preferences make it difficult for a majority
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Speaker 3: government to be formed out of the center right. But
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Speaker 3: you can see that people are voting with their feet
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Speaker 3: are away from the government.
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Speaker 2: That's the problem. I think savvy people inside labor get this.
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Speaker 3: They're already putting One Nation into a lot of the
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Speaker 3: retrick in speeches and elsewhere, and certainly in a campaign sense.
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Speaker 3: But I think a lot of them who think that
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Speaker 3: they are not at risk from One Nation they've got
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Speaker 3: their head in the sand.
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Speaker 1: No, Peter. The feeling around here.
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Speaker 15: I mean I saw a senior minister today and they're
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Speaker 15: asking me about what's going to happen with the Liberal leadership,
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Speaker 15: and I said, you need to be worried about one
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Speaker 15: nation at the moment, and that person said, yes, we do.
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Speaker 1: I think they're very really awake to it. They're awake
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Speaker 1: to it.
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Speaker 15: I mean they hear it, and they're electorates, so they're
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Speaker 15: well aware of the threat. And you know, the British
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Speaker 15: load Parties turned it around by changing horse right with
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Speaker 15: someone from outside the parliament. And this is where I
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Speaker 15: go back to my Malanowskis theory. I mean, Albanezy will
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Speaker 15: go at a time of his choosing. I've no doubt
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Speaker 15: about that. But I just wonder if the Labor Parties
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Speaker 15: to succeed at the next election or not end up
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Speaker 15: in minority government, at least they need something like that,
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Speaker 15: a big change like that, as opposed to anyone they've
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Speaker 15: got on that front bench. And I'm sure that will
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Speaker 15: be throwing things at the TV and their officers listening
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Speaker 15: to me say that. But I just think we're in
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Speaker 15: an era of politics where requires that sort of thing,
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Speaker 15: and so do your one nation and reform movements of
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Speaker 15: have created that situation and things are just moving incredibly
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Speaker 15: fast in terms of public sentiment. There's so many things
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Speaker 15: we can do with technology that people aren't you know,
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Speaker 15: they're not happy with the old way of doing things.
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Speaker 15: They're prepared to try new things, and that's how the
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Speaker 15: electorate's changed, I think.
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Speaker 2: And look, I agree with you on Melanowskis.
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Speaker 3: He's the best that Labour's got anywhere in the countries,
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Speaker 3: but than anybody who's in the Parliament right now. I've
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Speaker 3: got something on him in relation to this arial Commission.
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Speaker 3: I'll get to that a bit later on, but you know,
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Speaker 3: I think the Libs would be concerned about him. He's
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Speaker 3: the old Labor right and this is why I think
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Speaker 3: Labor is crazy to persist with this constant experiment that
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Speaker 3: they're getting in Victoria and in Camera by letting the
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Speaker 3: left control of the agenda, because the Left is fighting
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Speaker 3: the Greens for space as opposed to coming in and
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Speaker 3: taking voters off the coalition and obviously increasingly one nation.
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Speaker 2: Is this why we're getting.
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Speaker 3: This movement into the immigration space and what's happening with
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Speaker 3: that because yes, Burk's from the right, but normally from
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Speaker 3: the right. I mean he's been signed up to de
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Speaker 3: elmen easy for some time. That speech was happening last week,
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Speaker 3: then he got rolled and it got canceled. We've got
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Speaker 3: this legislation now from one nation on foreign fighters. I mean,
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Speaker 3: the real rise for one nation and the real fall
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Speaker 3: for the government happened after Bondai. And yet labor is
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Speaker 3: still very scared to get into this turf.
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Speaker 15: Oh, they'll get into it next week. They'll do this
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Speaker 15: announcement next week. Yeah, it's only going to be two
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Speaker 15: weeks later.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm hearing they're.
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Speaker 15: Going to curb I guess some of this business with
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Speaker 15: family reunion off the back of visas. But they'll probably
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Speaker 15: cut the student visa intake, the skilled intake except for construction,
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Speaker 15: health and defense jobs. That they're not cutting the number
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Speaker 15: of permanent which is one hundred and eighty five, or
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Speaker 15: net migration, which is two twenty from the budget. But
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Speaker 15: they're about three hundred net migrations. So Tony Burk's got
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Speaker 15: to outline a bunch of ways he's going to get
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Speaker 15: to two twenty.
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Speaker 1: And this will be about.
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Speaker 15: Trying to instill some confidence in that, and of course
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Speaker 15: they say it's got nothing to do with one nation,
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Speaker 15: I mean pull the other one, you know.
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Speaker 3: Yes, but they've they've never met a target that they
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Speaker 3: have set. They've had a forecast in every budget and
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Speaker 3: then nom has been well over the forecasts. So I
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Speaker 3: hear that they'll go and announce stuff that people want
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Speaker 3: to hear.
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Speaker 2: But you know, Pinocchio, please, isn't that what they do
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Speaker 2: all the time?
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Speaker 1: Excuse me?
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Speaker 3: And look, both sides to be fair, the coalitions talk
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Speaker 3: tough as well. Hanson's number out there on migration is
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Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty thousand, that's her average. Well that's
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Speaker 3: where the Howard government was. That was where I think
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Speaker 3: Abbott was promising one hundred and sixty. It's crept up
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Speaker 3: after that, and it's gone on and on and on
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Speaker 3: to the point that that you know, Morrison Zerra butt
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Speaker 3: for COVID, take COVID out, Dutton zero as well.
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Speaker 2: All of that was pretty shocking.
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Speaker 3: So this has been a long time coming in the
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Speaker 3: Australian population and this idea that somehow, you know, that
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Speaker 3: they can bury their head in the sand. Both sides,
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Speaker 3: both the Coalition and Labor here. I think there's a
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Speaker 3: reckoning on migration. I think it is one of the
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Speaker 3: biggest issues without a doubt this term and will be
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Speaker 3: at the ballot box.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: I mean we've got an aging population and there's there's
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Speaker 15: not many solutions in there in terms of like at
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Speaker 15: least Peter Costello could point to the baby bonus, right,
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Speaker 15: but there's not many solutions on that front. To the government,
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Speaker 15: it's like they throw their hands up in the air
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Speaker 15: and say we have to have immigration not so easy
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Speaker 15: to sell, particularly when the housing doesn't move with it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's propped up.
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Speaker 15: Scott Morrison's Budget's plenty of time, which I think is now.
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Speaker 3: I'm equally critical, mate, I'm equally critical, and I was
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Speaker 3: tough last night on my side for not putting a number.
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Speaker 3: A lot of aspiration out there four or five months ago,
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Speaker 3: but no number yet. Let's go to these comments again.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister in trouble about the melon and the
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Speaker 3: Japanese Prime Minister have a listen.
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Speaker 4: Will the Prime Minister personally apologize to the Prime Minister of.
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Speaker 13: Japan reject the assertion in the question disburb in Australia
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Speaker 13: and Japan have never.
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Speaker 1: Been closer or more strategically life.
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Speaker 4: Will the Prime Minister apologize to the Prime Minister of
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Speaker 4: Japan for his disrespectful behavior.
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Speaker 13: I have a very good relationship with the Prime Minister
21:03
Speaker 13: of Japan.
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Speaker 2: And then this response have a listen.
21:09
Speaker 16: Some media interpretations of that episode of that podcast have
21:15
Speaker 16: been misinterpreted.
21:16
Speaker 17: There has been a sensationalized reporting of something that, as
21:21
Speaker 17: the Prime Minister has been very clear about, has been mischaracterized.
21:24
Speaker 9: The comments and the remarks from the Prime Minister have
21:27
Speaker 9: been misinterpreted. The Prime Minister is very clear that he
21:30
Speaker 9: did not mean for those comments to be interpreted in
21:34
Speaker 9: the way they have by some media outlets and by
21:36
Speaker 9: our political opponents.
21:39
Speaker 3: Okay, Galligh is also the Minister for Women, not just
21:41
Speaker 3: the Finance minister. And please Andrew, he insults us, I
21:45
Speaker 3: mean melons that he does this one?
21:47
Speaker 2: Come on right?
21:49
Speaker 3: Why can't he just fess up when he MUCKs up,
21:52
Speaker 3: when he stuffs up, when he falls off the stage,
21:54
Speaker 3: when he lies. Why can't he ever admit when he's
21:57
Speaker 3: got it wrong?
22:00
Speaker 1: So I can't believe I have to say this on air.
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Speaker 15: But his position is he didn't mean breasts right, that
22:06
Speaker 15: he was just juggling actual fruit melons. What do you
22:10
Speaker 15: make of that position, Peter.
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Speaker 2: Kredlin, Well, they weren't like this, mate.
22:14
Speaker 3: He did them up here, you know, when you do
22:16
Speaker 3: the melons like that rather than the melons like that.
22:20
Speaker 3: Come on, mate, Like we've all been to a footy
22:22
Speaker 3: club before you and I grew.
22:25
Speaker 2: Up in the real world. We know what that is.
22:27
Speaker 3: Every woman knows what that is. And I think we're
22:29
Speaker 3: sick of the lies from this bloke. This is where
22:31
Speaker 3: the trust and the character deficits so obvious.
22:35
Speaker 15: Well, it looks seems to me like he's trying not
22:37
Speaker 15: to give the grab where he says that, right, so
22:39
Speaker 15: he just keeps saying that and then all not it
22:41
Speaker 15: mischaracterize this misinterpreter.
22:43
Speaker 1: They don't want to.
22:44
Speaker 15: Be, you know, like if he really wanted to go
22:48
Speaker 15: at the attack on it, he should probably just come
22:50
Speaker 15: out and say I find any suggestion that that had
22:52
Speaker 15: a sexual overturn insulting and just.
22:55
Speaker 1: Go for it. Like that's probably where he needs to
22:57
Speaker 1: be at.
22:58
Speaker 15: Otherwise he's never going to be able to sweep at
22:59
Speaker 15: as it looks highly offensive he's spoken of the Prime Minister.
23:04
Speaker 15: Since there's no problem their position is the Japanese have
23:07
Speaker 15: no problem. Their position is the ambassador who spoke out
23:09
Speaker 15: about it, the former ambassador in the Australian is disgruntled
23:14
Speaker 15: and their position is that he didn't mean it the way.
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Speaker 1: He didn't mean it.
23:17
Speaker 15: To involve breasts. If I'd have to say that again,
23:20
Speaker 15: So that is their position. That's all I can tell
23:22
Speaker 15: you and the viewer, and you have to make your
23:25
Speaker 15: own judgment on.
23:25
Speaker 2: That, and I think people are.
23:29
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there, sorry, Andrew, we've had to say
23:31
Speaker 3: the breast word on airon boys don't like that, but
23:34
Speaker 3: us women are pretty comfortable with it.
23:35
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, thank you. Let's go to the
23:37
Speaker 2: rate decision today.
23:38
Speaker 3: No surprises there, the IBA voting to keep the cash
23:41
Speaker 3: right on hold four point three five percent.
23:43
Speaker 2: Good news if you've got a mortgage.
23:45
Speaker 3: But of course there's still underlying pressures in the economy
23:47
Speaker 3: and they're not easy, are they?
23:49
Speaker 2: Joentymen?
23:49
Speaker 3: Now are the independent economists with EQ Economics Warren Hogan? Well,
23:53
Speaker 3: she was pretty quick the government today to say that
23:56
Speaker 3: rap cut wasn't even discussed at the board meeting, but
24:00
Speaker 3: that she says the board will not be afraid to
24:02
Speaker 3: raise rates.
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Speaker 2: Worry, what do you think?
24:05
Speaker 16: Well, I'm surprised they didn't raise rates because the government
24:08
Speaker 16: went to great lengths throughout the press conference to emphasize
24:12
Speaker 16: the fact that they're probably going to have to. In fact,
24:15
Speaker 16: she stated which I sort of couldn't believe, that she
24:18
Speaker 16: personally thinks rates are going to have to go higher,
24:19
Speaker 16: which is an incredible statement from a Reserve Bank governor.
24:23
Speaker 16: So I think the fact that no one was expecting
24:26
Speaker 16: it or sorry the markets weren't pricing a rate hike
24:29
Speaker 16: today probably made it difficult for them. And they're certainly
24:33
Speaker 16: leading the market towards a rate hike in the next
24:36
Speaker 16: little while. And they've given us a set of forecasts
24:40
Speaker 16: which show essentially the Australian consumer buckling from here on in.
24:45
Speaker 16: And of course if those forecasts aren't met, a consumers
24:48
Speaker 16: can continue to spend, or various other elements like wages
24:52
Speaker 16: come in higher, inflation is a bit higher, then they
24:54
Speaker 16: will move. So they've set it all up for a
24:56
Speaker 16: rate hike. I think we should be all penciling in
24:58
Speaker 16: at least one or two and let's hope that's it.
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Speaker 3: We saw yesterday that data from I think it was Westpac,
25:05
Speaker 3: one of the Big four anyway, that said their mortgage
25:07
Speaker 3: books down by twenty percent terms of applications. If you
25:11
Speaker 3: listen to the government today in question time, nothing that
25:14
Speaker 3: they are doing is impacting house values. They're not responsible
25:17
Speaker 3: for the full in auction clearances. It's nothing to do
25:21
Speaker 3: with the budget. Who's telling the truth here, the statistics
25:24
Speaker 3: or the treasurer.
25:27
Speaker 16: Well, the realities of our housing market are that we
25:30
Speaker 16: had the reversal of the rate cuts from last year
25:33
Speaker 16: earlier this year, and of course the start of the
25:37
Speaker 16: conflict in Iran and the shutting of the Persian Gulf
25:40
Speaker 16: had a big impact on what is a very sentiment
25:43
Speaker 16: driven market. And then of course the market was starting
25:47
Speaker 16: to weaken already, and then the government with no forewarning,
25:51
Speaker 16: no flagging, of this radical shift in policy. Really it's
25:56
Speaker 16: it's a generational type shift brings down in the budget.
26:01
Speaker 16: So to be able to identify exactly which of those
26:04
Speaker 16: three factors is the most important is hard. But there's
26:06
Speaker 16: no doubt that the market was slowing and the government
26:10
Speaker 16: has given it a really big kick. So you know,
26:13
Speaker 16: even if there's merit in these changes, which some economists
26:15
Speaker 16: think there are, other people don't, the fact is I
26:18
Speaker 16: think their timing was terrible and I think the standout
26:21
Speaker 16: feature of this market is just the collapse in turnover
26:23
Speaker 16: or transactions. Prices are falling, that's not unusual. They could
26:26
Speaker 16: get worse, but the transactions and the market have collapsed
26:30
Speaker 16: in a way we haven't seen before. And that's why
26:32
Speaker 16: the industry itself is hurting so much.
26:35
Speaker 1: Talk to me.
26:36
Speaker 3: About work from home because in Victoria it's not just
26:40
Speaker 3: the government controlling whether their public servants work from home
26:44
Speaker 3: or not. And they work from home, but the government's
26:47
Speaker 3: also got laws on the table in relation to private
26:49
Speaker 3: sector businesses. Now already under the Fair Work Act, people
26:53
Speaker 3: have to be flexible for certain circumstances or you know,
26:57
Speaker 3: reasons of kids being sick or whatever. But this will
27:00
Speaker 3: be mandated work from home days for the entirement of
27:04
Speaker 3: every private sector worker. There's a lot of pushback from business.
27:08
Speaker 3: Victoria's belly up bankrupt anyway. It's so far behind the
27:13
Speaker 3: other states in terms of getting people back into the
27:15
Speaker 3: office post COVID, Brisbane sitting everywhere else's getting busters. Victoria
27:20
Speaker 3: is a laggared that the new premier today has pushed
27:23
Speaker 3: it on the long finger, says he's not going to
27:25
Speaker 3: bring the laws in straight away. Reports today that if
27:28
Speaker 3: they do pursue this, one hundred thousand square meters of
27:33
Speaker 3: office space in Melbourne will be empty next financial year.
27:39
Speaker 3: In productivity, getting Victoria back on its feet, give me
27:44
Speaker 3: your estimate or your analysis of work from home.
27:49
Speaker 16: Well, in this case, it's just another highly misguided government
27:55
Speaker 16: intervention in our economy and in our lives, and it's
27:58
Speaker 16: going to backfire severely and rapidly because Victoria, as you
28:02
Speaker 16: allude to, is already on the precipice and it needs
28:06
Speaker 16: the government to be undertaking measures that help investment, help productivity,
28:12
Speaker 16: help get some confidence in the economy. This is not
28:15
Speaker 16: going to do that, and the business reaction has been
28:18
Speaker 16: visceral in the past week. So you know, Victoria is
28:21
Speaker 16: already a standout. Its unemployment rate is increased by twice
28:25
Speaker 16: as much as the rest of the country's in the
28:27
Speaker 16: last two years and is now over five percent. Its
28:30
Speaker 16: inflation is actually lower than the rest of the country,
28:33
Speaker 16: which sounds good, but it's actually a sign of a
28:35
Speaker 16: weak economy. You know, if they cut this immigration march,
28:39
Speaker 16: and in Victoria is very reliant on immigration and population
28:42
Speaker 16: growth to keep their economy ticking over, who knows if
28:45
Speaker 16: that tips them over or a measure like this, if
28:48
Speaker 16: it's enforced in the new year. The fact is Victoria
28:51
Speaker 16: can't cannot withstand too many more blows. And of course
28:55
Speaker 16: the issue is does that start to affect the rest
28:57
Speaker 16: of us. It's a really bad policy.
29:01
Speaker 3: Well we know it was under Tim Pallace, a former Treasurer,
29:04
Speaker 3: that he went to his mates in Canberra and tried
29:06
Speaker 3: to get a bailout. Thank goodness, Jim Chalmers didn't do it.
29:11
Speaker 3: But I guess the corollary here on this stuff too, productivity,
29:16
Speaker 3: work from home, all the other changes hitting Victoria.
29:20
Speaker 2: I mean, you just upshaw the jobs.
29:22
Speaker 3: You'll take the capital and the business out of Victoria.
29:25
Speaker 3: You'll send the jobs off to the Philippines, to a
29:27
Speaker 3: call center or AI will replace them. It's not that
29:30
Speaker 3: you'll get to work from home, it's that you won't
29:33
Speaker 3: get to work at all.
29:35
Speaker 16: Yeah, I agree, And look at the first glance, of course,
29:38
Speaker 16: this sort of thing just hastens the incentive for businesses
29:41
Speaker 16: to move to other states or given what's happening more
29:44
Speaker 16: broadly with these tax changes and talk of particularly young
29:47
Speaker 16: people looking to set themselves up overseas, to take the
29:51
Speaker 16: business overseas, altogether, which is a disaster for the whole country.
29:55
Speaker 16: Getting young, innovative, forward looking people out of the country
29:58
Speaker 16: is not a good thing. To your point, I mean,
30:01
Speaker 16: we have got a productivity crisis, which is one of
30:03
Speaker 16: the key elements underpinning a declining living standard in this country.
30:07
Speaker 16: It's not just that slow boiling frog effect of declining
30:10
Speaker 16: living standards. Now we've got political issues with the rise
30:13
Speaker 16: of one nation, and of course, in my sense, in
30:15
Speaker 16: my judgment, we are just right for some economic crisis
30:19
Speaker 16: to suddenly come out of the blue. In fact, I
30:22
Speaker 16: think it's the fear that something's going to go wrong
30:24
Speaker 16: that's keeping the RBO and hold for the time being.
30:27
Speaker 16: But these policies are setting us up for a major issue,
30:31
Speaker 16: and of course it's the reverse of everything we've done
30:34
Speaker 16: in the last forty years to build one wealthiest and
30:37
Speaker 16: best economies with the world's ever seen.
30:41
Speaker 2: I will live there on that very cheery note, Warren Hogan,
30:44
Speaker 2: thank you. After the break, closer look at the.
30:47
Speaker 3: Smoke and mirror strategy of labor and defense spending. What
30:51
Speaker 3: are they calling it procurement, dodginess or something like that,
30:55
Speaker 3: performative procurement. There you go and Tony abit Jez you
30:58
Speaker 3: got criticized for looking at is what one time in
31:00
Speaker 3: the parliament? What does he make of the melons in
31:03
Speaker 3: alban easy and the Japanese Prime minister that's next, welcome back.
31:13
Speaker 3: We know the boats about in the UK, but it's
31:15
Speaker 3: escalated enormously in the last couple of days. Hundreds and
31:19
Speaker 3: hundreds are in single inflatables at the moment they're crossing
31:23
Speaker 3: the channel. Those numbers are up very much yesterday. We'll
31:27
Speaker 3: get to that in a moment. Sofi elseworth But now
31:29
Speaker 3: to claims the Albaneza government has engaged in performative procurement
31:33
Speaker 3: to shore up its dodgy defense credentials after revelations had
31:38
Speaker 3: purchased air to wear missiles that he had to enter
31:41
Speaker 3: service and aren't even due to be delivered for years.
31:46
Speaker 3: Here to discuss this and more former Prime Minister of course,
31:49
Speaker 3: Tony Abbott, and now of course the Liberal Party National
31:51
Speaker 3: President Tony. Let's talk about defense because we you know,
31:57
Speaker 3: we look around the world, look obviously at the Straits
32:01
Speaker 3: of hor moves in Iran, but you can imagine what
32:04
Speaker 3: that would be if China wanted to operate like Iran
32:08
Speaker 3: in our region, If we think that's a constrain on
32:11
Speaker 3: fuel goodness me to our north. We've got all that
32:13
Speaker 3: talk obviously about about Taiwan. What do you make of
32:18
Speaker 3: this announcement by the government with these missiles on the
32:21
Speaker 3: absolute long finger.
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Speaker 14: This is a government which is determined never to commit
32:26
Speaker 14: our armed forces to combat, and everything they are doing
32:31
Speaker 14: is about saying, well, we're not ready now, but we
32:33
Speaker 14: might be ready in ten years time. And frankly it's
32:36
Speaker 14: just not good enough. Capable armed forces need to be
32:40
Speaker 14: ready to engage in military operations at any time. This
32:45
Speaker 14: government wants to ensure that if the Americans ever asked
32:48
Speaker 14: us to help, they don't have to say we won't help,
32:52
Speaker 14: but they can say we'd like to help, but we
32:54
Speaker 14: can't because we haven't got the ability to do so.
32:56
Speaker 14: And I go back to the time in Descend twenty
33:00
Speaker 14: twenty three when the Americans asked us to send a
33:03
Speaker 14: frigate to the Red Sea and we refuse. This is
33:06
Speaker 14: the first time since nineteen fifty one when Australia has
33:10
Speaker 14: declined to direct American request for military assistance. And as
33:15
Speaker 14: I said, it's a sign that this is a quasi
33:18
Speaker 14: pacifist government that doesn't want to admit to pacifism, just
33:21
Speaker 14: wants to make the armed forces incapable of any serious
33:25
Speaker 14: military mission.
33:26
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, there's a real push on the use of
33:30
Speaker 3: our military for basically natural disaster work, constant humanitarian work.
33:37
Speaker 3: But you can't project a security posture unless you've got
33:41
Speaker 3: a threaten right, unless you've got the weapon behind your
33:43
Speaker 3: back that people know you will use it.
33:45
Speaker 14: The government is terrified that in the event of serious
33:48
Speaker 14: conflict in our region we might be asked for help,
33:51
Speaker 14: and they want to be able to say we'd like to,
33:53
Speaker 14: but we can't.
33:54
Speaker 3: Is that because the Prime minister's cowered by Beijing?
34:00
Speaker 14: There's no doubt that everything this government does is designed
34:05
Speaker 14: to appease Beijing. Why didn't we make more of a
34:09
Speaker 14: fuss of the Japanese Prime minister when she was here.
34:13
Speaker 14: Why didn't she get the chance to address both houses
34:16
Speaker 14: of parliament? Plainly, it's because this is a government which
34:21
Speaker 14: is terrified of upsetting Beijing. It wants to pretend that
34:24
Speaker 14: the relationship has been in a sense stabilized. Well, it's
34:28
Speaker 14: only been stabilized because we are basically in full cowtown mode.
34:34
Speaker 3: Let's play a comment from Shingo Yamagami. I know you
34:37
Speaker 3: know him well, of course, former Ambassador for Japan to Australia.
34:41
Speaker 2: Have a listen.
34:42
Speaker 12: This is not a porticon, no Portugal issue at all,
34:46
Speaker 12: and this shouldn't be treated as a partisan issue simply.
34:51
Speaker 12: This is a matter of de corum diplomatic propriety and
34:56
Speaker 12: also you know mutual respect.
35:00
Speaker 3: Well, you made those comments about the Prime Minister and
35:02
Speaker 3: the Japanese Prime Minister, and you'll have seen the brew
35:04
Speaker 3: haha over these melons. I made the point of it
35:07
Speaker 3: earlier on. I mean, you were skewed in the Parliament
35:09
Speaker 3: by Julia Gillard for daring to look at your watch.
35:13
Speaker 3: How does he get away with this? How do all
35:14
Speaker 3: these labor ministers say it's not sexist? You've seen it.
35:17
Speaker 2: Look you're a dad of girl. Come.
35:19
Speaker 14: Labour has dreadful double standards. The Prime Minister's comments were
35:23
Speaker 14: unbelievably crass. Now he apologized for the observations about Kylie Minogue,
35:30
Speaker 14: he should be man enough to likewise apology apologize for
35:34
Speaker 14: the observations about the Japanese Prime minister. Look, all of
35:39
Speaker 14: us make mistakes, all of us occasionally have lapses of
35:42
Speaker 14: judgment and character. But if you don't apologize. It doesn't
35:46
Speaker 14: just look like a lapse. It looks like a very
35:49
Speaker 14: serious character flaw and very serious lack of judgment, and frankly,
35:56
Speaker 14: that's pretty bad in our national leader.
35:59
Speaker 3: I just quickly make the point about the ABS and
36:01
Speaker 3: the census, and you know people trying to pretend that
36:04
Speaker 3: the ABS is independent. Well it is this idea that
36:07
Speaker 3: government doesn't have a hand in the questions that get
36:10
Speaker 3: on the form and the topics. Well, of course it does.
36:13
Speaker 3: That admission today from the ABS is clear. But on religion,
36:18
Speaker 3: you know, they split Christianity out by church almost to
36:22
Speaker 3: sort of diminish its its breadth and deep resonance with Australians,
36:27
Speaker 3: No other Hindu, Islam, no other religions split out by
36:30
Speaker 3: its various denominations, and that enables no religion, which is
36:34
Speaker 3: the largest group, to go to the top. But if
36:37
Speaker 3: you put all the Christian churches together tiny, they should
36:40
Speaker 3: be at the top.
36:42
Speaker 14: Look plainly, there is a green left establishment that doesn't
36:46
Speaker 14: like Australia and wants to change the way we are.
36:50
Speaker 14: It doesn't like our Anglo Celtic core culture, doesn't like
36:53
Speaker 14: Ajudeo Christian fundamental ethos, and they are always fishing for
36:57
Speaker 14: evidence to say that we're not really a basically Christian society,
37:03
Speaker 14: that we're not really a fundamentally Anglo Celtic culture. And
37:08
Speaker 14: this is all of a piece with this. The questions
37:11
Speaker 14: you ask determine the answers you get, and to be honest,
37:17
Speaker 14: they're waiting the questions to get the answers they want.
37:20
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining me. Thanks Tony Abbott.
37:23
Speaker 3: Remember we said that book he wrote about Australia. Who
37:25
Speaker 3: knew that a book, a positive book about our country
37:28
Speaker 3: would be so popular? Well, let me tell you it's
37:30
Speaker 3: sold almost one hundred thousand copies.
37:34
Speaker 2: No other pms at a book like it.
37:35
Speaker 3: All right, after the rate, we'll get to the UK
37:37
Speaker 3: channel because that stuff over there is huge at the moment,
37:41
Speaker 3: these mega diggies.
37:43
Speaker 2: So I for yours worth coming out, all right?
37:51
Speaker 3: That push for taxpayers to spend billions of dollars your
37:55
Speaker 3: money to hand it to Silicon Valley billionaires to build
38:00
Speaker 3: ARTA centers in Australia, that's not on what is it.
38:02
Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment.
38:03
Speaker 3: And out of the arrival of more than two hundred
38:05
Speaker 3: and thirty people in what's been called a single megadingy.
38:09
Speaker 2: This is an inflatable used to.
38:11
Speaker 3: Cross the English Channel, arriving into the UK early on
38:15
Speaker 3: Monday morning and significantly escalating illegal migrant issues. All the
38:20
Speaker 3: while the new Prime Minister, who's been there for about
38:23
Speaker 3: a fortnite, is on leave here to discuss this and more.
38:27
Speaker 3: News twenty four contributor. He's got Australia's European correspondent, Sophie Ellsworth. Well,
38:32
Speaker 3: we'll get to the bloke on leave after just getting
38:34
Speaker 3: into the job in a moment, Sophie. But this is
38:37
Speaker 3: just days after Nigel Farah has said he's going to
38:39
Speaker 3: copy the Abbott government template to stop the boats. I mean,
38:44
Speaker 3: even in nowadays, I didn't see any sort of inflatable
38:47
Speaker 3: device like that. One hundred people or more this would
38:52
Speaker 3: be huge news over your way.
38:56
Speaker 18: Well it is indeed, Peter. I mean you only have
38:58
Speaker 18: to look at the front pages of today's papers in
39:01
Speaker 18: the UK. I've got here on the front of the
39:03
Speaker 18: Sun not so small boat's crisis, and then on the
39:07
Speaker 18: front of the Daily Mail is similar. Front page day
39:11
Speaker 18: small boat's crisis becomes a big boat's crisis. They're saying
39:15
Speaker 18: that there was two hundred and thirty illegal migrants come
39:18
Speaker 18: in on this giant inflatable boat, which is more than
39:21
Speaker 18: the typical amount of passengers on an easy Jet flight.
39:25
Speaker 18: But Andy Burnham, the new Prime Minister, has said that
39:28
Speaker 18: the numbers that have come in illegally this year, which
39:31
Speaker 18: are about fifteen thousand, are about forty percent down on
39:35
Speaker 18: last year. But this is making the whole issue look fascical,
39:39
Speaker 18: Peter in the UK, and it's something that's making Britain's
39:42
Speaker 18: incredibly annoyed.
39:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's certainly showing up in Poling.
39:48
Speaker 3: So if you're Britain like Australia, I didn't mind migrants
39:51
Speaker 3: coming in. Welcome to migrants as long as they joined
39:54
Speaker 3: the team. But that's really turning around now. The hostility
39:57
Speaker 3: to migration is significant.
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Speaker 18: It is, indeed, Peter, because as you know, there's so
40:04
Speaker 18: many issues here in the UK, pressures on cost of living,
40:08
Speaker 18: pressures that households are feeling every day and they're looking
40:12
Speaker 18: for some form of relief, and a lot of Britons
40:16
Speaker 18: are angry because they feel that people are coming into
40:18
Speaker 18: this country and they're getting a free ride. They're coming
40:21
Speaker 18: in illegally and then they're being allowed to be put
40:23
Speaker 18: up in hotels and given various amenities, access to healthcare, etc.
40:29
Speaker 18: And basically put in the system with years until their
40:32
Speaker 18: cases have heard of whether or not they should be here.
40:36
Speaker 18: But this issue just will not go away. And Andy
40:39
Speaker 18: Burnham's only been in office three weeks. He hasn't been
40:43
Speaker 18: very prominent on this issue, Pete up, but it is
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Speaker 18: one that he is eventually going to have to come
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Speaker 18: out and address properly.
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Speaker 3: Well is that he'd been there for three weeks, but
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Speaker 3: he's already been on leave Sophie.
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Speaker 1: He has.
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Speaker 18: Indeed, Peter, he had the first two weeks in office
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Speaker 18: and then he took one week off. Now, in fairness
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Speaker 18: in August it is recess here for the Parliament. But
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Speaker 18: a lot of locals in Britain are really annoyed about this,
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Speaker 18: saying he's just got the keys to ten Downing Street.
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Speaker 18: Why on earth is he on holiday when we have
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Speaker 18: issues all around the country. He's now on a national
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Speaker 18: tour going around the country listening to Britain's about their concerns.
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Speaker 18: But Peter, he's only been the job a few weeks
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Speaker 18: and already the bad headlines are coming.
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Speaker 2: Go Bank.
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Speaker 3: It is to sit on his backside behind the desk,
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Speaker 3: get the briefings and start to work. I think everyone
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Speaker 3: knows what the problems are. He doesn't need to listen
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Speaker 3: to people that he needs to look at the channel.
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Speaker 3: That's number one problem and a whole lot more. I'll
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Speaker 3: leave you there, so if you look like you're out
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Speaker 3: there enjoying the beautiful British summer, it won't last long.
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Speaker 2: Why you've got it.
41:47
Speaker 3: We'll catch up again soon after the break. The South
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Speaker 3: Australian Premier Peter malanowskis a warning today over ai. I
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Speaker 3: tell you I am with him on this. I know
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Speaker 3: it's a shock, but I am. I'll get to that
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Speaker 3: in a moment. My panel up next. All right, let's
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Speaker 3: jump back into it all the issues of the day
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Speaker 3: of U twenty four contributors lucy's Zelik and One Nation's
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Speaker 3: National executive member Lee Hand said, ladies, and I'll use
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Speaker 3: that word because I'll require you to follow me here.
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Speaker 3: We'll get to a whole lot of issues in a moment.
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Speaker 3: But back to melons and the Prime minister and the
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Speaker 3: Japanese dignified prime minister. Ours is not so dignified. If
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Speaker 3: you were watching a.
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Speaker 2: Bloke go oh melons.
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Speaker 3: Like this, would you think were talking about fruit or
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Speaker 3: would he be talking about breasts, Lucy Peter.
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Speaker 17: It's clear and obvious to everyone, right, we knew what
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Speaker 17: the innuendo was intending there. He played well into the
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Speaker 17: podcast as hands when she referenced Pamela Anderson. So it
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Speaker 17: doesn't take a scientist, Store Einstein, or even someone that's
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Speaker 17: on the business or in the business of consistently being
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Speaker 17: offended to understand what him meant by those interpretations. I
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Speaker 17: note that mister Clenell was very uncomfortable with the term breasts,
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Speaker 17: but breasts, hey, that's what we all know that he
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Speaker 17: was referring to in that moment. I think it's very
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Speaker 17: clear and obvious. So the fact that it took the
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Speaker 17: ABC over twenty five days to apologize, and that's now
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Speaker 17: at last count, I think about thirty something days since
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Speaker 17: that podcast went to air, and Anthony Albaneze he still
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Speaker 17: hasn't acknowledged it, in spite of all the calls for
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Speaker 17: him to do so, I think is pretty damaging in
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Speaker 17: many ways. I agree with the former ambassador's comments and
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Speaker 17: the fact that many of his labor front benches, his
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Speaker 17: colleagues are arguing that you know, there was nothing wrong
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Speaker 17: with it, and it's all just being sensationalized and you know,
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Speaker 17: taken out of proportion.
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Speaker 7: I think he's just.
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Speaker 17: Leaning more and erring more on the side of it
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Speaker 17: being about politics rather than just being about the truth.
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Speaker 17: You made a mistake, front up and apologize. It's not
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Speaker 17: that hard.
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Speaker 3: And you're right to reference Jean to Ryan Hart theer
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Speaker 3: again because Sonaitakahatchi is a woman on the right political right.
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson's on the right, Jina Righthant's on the right.
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Speaker 3: You or aur I am as well. We get no
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Speaker 3: such protection. It's not sexism if it happens to us Lee.
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Speaker 19: No, it's double standards, right, And it's absolutely appalling and
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Speaker 19: so disappointing that the head of our state, our prime minister,
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Speaker 19: can make inappropriate sexual innuendos.
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Speaker 7: No one can mistake this.
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Speaker 19: Every Australian, it doesn't matter who you are, understands.
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Speaker 7: What this gesture is.
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Speaker 19: And the fact that you can't own it, that you
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Speaker 19: can't admit that you made a mistake and you continue
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Speaker 19: to lie about it, speaks volumes about one's character. And
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Speaker 19: I feel very very sorry for our Japanese prime minister
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Speaker 19: that she's experienced this and whilst they've come out and said, look,
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Speaker 19: we don't believe there was any ill intent.
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Speaker 7: Interpret that a little bit further.
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Speaker 19: They didn't say that it wasn't inappropriate, It wasn't said
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Speaker 19: that it was isn't hurtful, And that's how I interpret
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Speaker 19: it as well. It's not okay and the Prime Minister
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Speaker 19: needs to apologize for his actions because it impacts all
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Speaker 19: women those types of comments as well.
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Speaker 3: And of course it was a podcast in that instance
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Speaker 3: he was talking about shagging Carlie Minogue and somehow he
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Speaker 3: wasn't talking about breasts in that same half an hour
45:23
Speaker 3: of Smart a Kid you not.
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Speaker 2: But that's where we are. Let's go to those other
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Speaker 2: issues that I want to get to now.
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Speaker 3: The announcement by the South Australian Premier Peter malnawskis today
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Speaker 3: it's a royal commission and he's announced into artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 3: Now I don't know that I think it necessarily needs
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Speaker 3: a royal commission, but we need a really big, detailed
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Speaker 3: look at AI. We need to set some guardrails about
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Speaker 3: it before it gets into Australia. And we've had the
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Speaker 3: warnings from AI creators to say we're getting a beast
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Speaker 3: now that's going rogue, and if it goes rogue, what
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Speaker 3: are the consequences?
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Speaker 2: Listen to the Premier.
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Speaker 20: I'm worried that we're a bit underweight in the policy
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Speaker 20: from the policy response that is going to be required
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Speaker 20: to make sure we get the balance right between pursuing
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Speaker 20: this opportunity where there are very significant productivity gains to
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Speaker 20: be made, but also protecting the community from some of
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Speaker 20: the risks.
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Speaker 2: Out with AI.
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Speaker 3: Now I said before Lucy, I'm one hundred percent with him.
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Speaker 3: Here we go down the path of social media and
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Speaker 3: after the horse has bolted, we see all this harm
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Speaker 3: and the suicides of young people. We try and rate
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Speaker 3: it in people like me and you and I know
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Speaker 3: others have been saying, let's have some rules and protocols
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Speaker 3: around AI before we let it loose. That's exactly what
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Speaker 3: he wants to do. But all Canberra's talking about is
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Speaker 3: the opportunity of data centers and the money they might
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Speaker 3: make and renewable energy.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment.
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Speaker 3: Rather than what melanowskis is talking about absolute common sense.
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Speaker 7: Don't you think I couldn't agree more?
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Speaker 17: And I think had many of us had the opportunity
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Speaker 17: back when social media was just on a rise, Peter,
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Speaker 17: if many of us back then had knew what it
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Speaker 17: would have become, we would have all been arguing for
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Speaker 17: safer and more robust conversations, particularly around the use of
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Speaker 17: social media for children, for those you know, those guard
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Speaker 17: rails to be explored, and for those conversations to have
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Speaker 17: taken place. I don't think anything is lost by investing
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Speaker 17: some really some serious time, thought and energy into this.
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Speaker 17: And Milanowskis has just come back from the United States
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Speaker 17: where he established a memorandum of understanding with open AI
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Speaker 17: to explore the productivity and the parameters around they can
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Speaker 17: improve such matters within the state public service.
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Speaker 7: What's to say that we don't require that at a
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Speaker 7: national level.
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Speaker 17: When you listen to creators like Elon Musk, entrepreneurs in
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Speaker 17: this space, they often talk about the fact that the
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Speaker 17: horse has already bolted and now trying to keep it
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Speaker 17: at a measured pace where the advancements are taking place
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Speaker 17: almost weekly is impossible to restrain.
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Speaker 7: So bring it on, I say.
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Speaker 17: When he makes comments like it'll cost more than three
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Speaker 17: million dollars, I'm comfortable with that, considering that they offer
48:05
Speaker 17: tens of millions of dollars to their local AFL teams
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Speaker 17: every year, by the way, and.
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Speaker 3: I might also add, you know you've got Chris Bowen
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Speaker 3: out there wanting to use taxpayer funds through the Clean
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Speaker 3: Energy Corporation to basically fund data centers provided they use
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Speaker 3: renewable power, which taxpayers fund anyway, and the profit in
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Speaker 3: all of that heads off to Silicon Valley. I mean, Lee,
48:29
Speaker 3: why are taxpayers when our hospitals need work, when our
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Speaker 3: roads need work, when we should be spending the money
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Speaker 3: on our own Are we going to make Silicon Valley richer?
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Speaker 7: And look, let's just name this up.
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Speaker 19: This is Labour's plan to double down on net zero,
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Speaker 19: pure and simple. They're using AI data centers now to
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Speaker 19: drive net zero in We know that they have a
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Speaker 19: target of eighty two percent renewables by the year twenty thirty.
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Speaker 7: They're not meeting that target currently, so how can we
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Speaker 7: get there.
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Speaker 19: We will ensure or that data centers must bring their
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Speaker 19: own renewable which is intermittent power to fuel these data centers.
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Speaker 19: But way we'll get the taxpayer to fund it, so
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Speaker 19: it serves their purpose and nothing else.
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Speaker 7: It is wrong.
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Speaker 19: And if they were genuine about this, let's put it
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Speaker 19: out to consultation for the actual taxpayer. Let's get some feedback,
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Speaker 19: because you go around this country and the majority of
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Speaker 19: citizens have deep concerns about these data centers.
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Speaker 7: On multiple levels.
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Speaker 19: So the fact now that the transparency needs to be exposed,
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Speaker 19: that this is just driving in labors net zero scam
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Speaker 19: and using another backdoor at the taxpayer's expense, and it's wrong.
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Speaker 7: It's simply wrong.
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Speaker 3: Spot on, ladies. I love that term gets under the
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Speaker 3: skin of so many. I'll see you both next week.
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Speaker 2: There you go.
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Speaker 3: Lucy and Lee are a fantastic That's it for me.
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Speaker 3: I've got a chicken roast at home to go home too,
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Speaker 3: so I will enjoy and I'll watch Andrew as will you.
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Speaker 2: He's up next